10 April, 2006

Jews and Porn: Destroying Your Race

Posted by alex in Alex Linder, graphics/toons at 9:48 pm | Permanent Link

Give the dirty goyim porn, the better to unhinge them…

No shit: the jews really do think that way. The more you’re online and jerking off, the less you’re offline studying to take power positions to make your anti-semitism — i.e., White normalcy — effective.

THAT is the reason innuendo is ubiquitous on free tv, and the nastiest porn imaginable a finger’s touch away online. Porn is not merely a way to immoralize Aryans, but to encourage them to taste the forbidden fruit of race-mixing. An incredible amount of porn is black-on-blonde. Since this porn is almost all produced by brothers of the jews polluting Hollywood, of course the motive is political. Whites owe blacks. Blacks are entitled to take their payment in white female flesh. Asses ripped by giant 18″ nigger cocks – a common porn theme, blacks ripping asses of innocent tiny white girls.

How do you think this message affects A) white girls, B) 60-IQ jungle savages given legal privilege over white humans?

Conservative idiots talk about the coarsening of society, as tho this were some simple matter of taste or sunday school morals. It is neither, it is a genocidal attack on white people in the guise of pornography called free speech by the jew who do away with real free speech by calling it hate.

You are under attack in every sector, and porn just like country music or public school instruction, furthers only The Agenda: Whites are guilty. Whites owe every other race on earth. Whites must never think of themselves as Whites (except as members of an historically guilty race). Whites must mix themselves out of existence via miscegenation, deferral, and withdrawal.

So stand aside as jew producers pay niggers to rip open the asses of your tiny women, White man. You’re yesterday’s putz, a dino-doofus fit only for the graveyard.

Unless you decide otherwise, in which case no jew-nigger combination on earth can defeat you.

CHOOSE WHITE – CHOOSE LIFE.


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  7. 127 Responses to “Jews and Porn: Destroying Your Race”

    1. James Hawthorne Says:

      The Loxist smut peddlers make no secret of their involvement in this insidious industry. This is from an article from the Jewish Quaterly.

      Though Jews make up only two per cent of the American population, they have been prominent in pornography. Many erotica dealers in the book trade between 1890 and 1940 were immigrant Jews of German origin. According to Jay A. Gertzman, author of Bookleggers and Smuthounds:The Trade in Erotica, 1920-1940 (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 1999), ‘Jews were prominent in the distribution of gallantiana [fiction on erotic themes and books of dirty jokes and ballads], avant-garde sexually explicit novels, sex pulps, sexology, and flagitious materials’. [Cont..]

      http://www.jewishquarterly.org/article.asp?articleid=38

    2. GB Says:

      Jumbo size is here: http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/jewporn.jpg

    3. A. Says:

      VNN goes old school. What in heavens will Mr. Kalafan think?

    4. GB Says:

      Porn is not merely a way to immoralize Aryans, but to encourage them to taste the forbidden fruit of race-mixing. An incredible amount of porn is black-on-blonde. Since this porn is almost all produced by brothers of the jews polluting Hollywood, of course the motive is political. Whites owe blacks. Blacks are entitled to take their payment in white female flesh. Asses ripped by giant 18″ nigger cocks – a common porn theme, blacks ripping asses of innocent tiny white girls.

    5. Two Clicks Right Says:

      Even if this is only an aberration of the VNN philosophy, I do not accept it. This is nothing that anyone needs to tell us let alone post such garbage on our site. May heads roll!

      If this posting is accepted by the owners and moderators of VNN, I am truly ashamed to have ever joined, participated and supported VNN. Alex Linder, where are you?

      Does the poster not realize that there are many members who let their children watch over their shoulders as and peruse and post on VNN?

    6. Megasaurus Says:

      Hey what do you call a gay dinosaur?

      Mega-Sore-Ass.

      The earth is the insane asylum for the universe.

      Or hell. Take your pick.

    7. karakazov Says:

      It only just now struck me that part of the new look at VNN (and Sunlit) is the inclusion of images. It’s a nice touch. (Well, usually… and I thought the faceless guy was bad…)

      As far as that image, I wouldn’t want to see something like it every week, nor every month, but it does shockingly remind one of the filthy degeneracy the jews are pushing. Filthy jews.

    8. Hans Hoffmann Says:

      It is shocking and over the top, but it’s good that it was posted. Now we can see just what perverts some of these jews are.

    9. Carl Loerbs Says:

      The pictures are not designed to turn us on, but to piss us off and strengthen our desire to take the battle to the Jew. This is what differentiates VNN from Stormfront and National Vanguard (no flame intended); we’re willing to use a wider variety of propaganda tools. What we’re seeing is the selective and sparing use of pornography as an additional propaganda tool.

      Hopefully, to retain its shock value, its use will remain “sparing”.

    10. Orion Says:

      Hey, once word is out that VNN has porn on it’s site, your ratings will skyrocket. The silly masturbaters will be looking for links, and instead find the unvarnished truth about the kikes.

      Good Thinking!

    11. Aufseher Says:

      Yeah, cuz thats what we need in the movement. More masterbaters.

      Good thinking? No.

    12. Outis Says:

      That’s not a bad idea, you know — include the long list of xxx keywords at the bottom of the page somewhere…but then VNN would be “peddling smut”.

    13. Mark Says:

      “Extending the subversive thesis, Jewish involvement in the X-rated industry can be seen as a proverbial two fingers to the entire WASP establishment in America. Some porn stars viewed themselves as frontline fighters in the spiritual battle between Christian America and secular humanism. According to Ford, Jewish X-rated actors often brag about their ‘joy in being anarchic, sexual gadflies to the puritanical beast’. Jewish involvement in porn, by this argument, is the result of an atavistic hatred of Christian authority: they are trying to weaken the dominant culture in America by moral subversion. Astyr remembers having ‘to run or fight for it in grammar school because I was a Jew. It could very well be that part of my porn career is an “up yoursâ€? to these people’. Al Goldstein, the publisher of Screw, said (on lukeford.net), ‘The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks. Catholicism sucks. We don’t believe in authoritarianism.’ Pornography thus becomes a way of defiling Christian culture and, as it penetrates to the very heart of the American mainstream (and is no doubt consumed by those very same WASPs), its subversive character becomes more charged.”

      “It is a case of the traditional revolutionary/radical drive of immigrant Jews in America being channelled into sexual rather than leftist politics. Just as Jews have been disproportionately represented in radical movements over the years, so they are also disproportionately represented in the porn industry. Jews in America have been sexual revolutionaries. A large amount of the material on sexual liberation was written by Jews. Those at the forefront of the movement which forced America to adopt a more liberal view of sex were Jewish. Jews were also at the vanguard of the sexual revolution of the 1960s. Wilhelm Reich, Herbert Marcuse and Paul Goodman replaced Marx, Trotsky and Lenin as required revolutionary reading. Reich’s central preoccupations were work, love and sex, while Marcuse prophesied that a socialist utopia would free individuals to achieve sexual satisfaction. Goodman wrote of the ‘beautiful cultural consequences’ that would follow from legalizing pornography: it would ‘ennoble all our art’ and ‘humanize sexuality’. Pacheco was one Jewish porn star who read Reich’s intellectual marriage of Freud and Marx (lukeford.net):

      “Before I got my first part in an adult film, I went down to an audition for an X-rated film with my hair down to my ass, a copy of Wilhelm Reich’s Sexual Revolution under my arm and yelling about work, ‘love and sex’.”

      As Rabbi Samuel H. Dresner put it (E. Michael Jones, ‘Rabbi Dresner’s Dilemma: Torah v. Ethnos’ Culture Wars, May 2003), ‘Jewish rebellion has broken out on several levels’, one being ‘the prominent role of Jews as advocates to sexual experimentation’. Overall, then, porn performers are a group of people who praise rebellion, self-fulfilment and promiscuity.”

    14. Mark Says:

      In my opinion, enlightening people to Jewish involvement in the perversion of our culture and people can be done with more class. Must we be subjected to gratuitous images and language to learn? What about younger readers to your website? Let’s not become like those we despise.

    15. Kaalkop Says:

      How do Jews make sure pornography doesn’t destroy the Jewish family and birthrates?

    16. Bickle Says:

      Kaalkop,

      I don’t care about Jews, in fact I wish they were wiped off the planet. They are truly satanic.

      You Aryans that consume this porn ought now to realize the Jews profit from this business at your expense. Jews have always cornered the market on degeneracy.

      And for you Aryans that hold your noses up and say how aweful that VNN would publish this stuff… well, I say, you better get ready for worse stuff than this.

      The Jew has spread his pornography everywhere. Now you’re going to have to do something about it. Can you put the noose around his neck? Can you lynch the nigger violating your women? I think you are cowards and can’t even battle the filthy Jew.

    17. Stan Sikorski Says:

      To those that don’t get it: ITZ THE JEWZ STUPID!

      Yeah, the image isn’t pleasant to look at. I don’t think it is supposed to be. The kikes run the porn industry and then they pay the government to hem and haw about it. Jewz set up – jews knock down, all the while filling their pockets and genociding our race.

      If your pissed off about this image being on VNN because of its content, you have missed the point. VNN is here to wake people up to the jew. That is not a fuzzy bunny and flowers proposition.

      You want to fight the jew? You have to get dirty. For too long the White Man has been so wrapped up in his own rightousness through religious doping that he has forgotten what fighting is all about. When the time comes to take to the streets and physically do something about these rats, I want to know I’m among men that can tolerate blood up to their elbows, not some pansy that is going to run crying to a confessional.

      VNN – Not for the weak
      VNN – Brutal Intelligence
      VNN – NO jews. Just Right!
      Hail Victory!!

    18. JakeTheSnake Says:

      Guess who the biggest buyer of jew porn is?

      Can you say white male?

      Thanks white male especially all you christians and pretend white nationalists etc. If it werent for you we would be out of business so at this time please allow us to thank you for everything you have done for us from the bottom of our hearts.

      Matter fact we couldnt have done anything with you. Go back 400 yrs when we shipped African slaves to our Rhode Island ports and then transported them to be hawked at public auctions. What a bunch of easy idiots you were.

      We used our world best selling media book aka Torah aka OT aka NT and for our beloved arabs the Quran.

      With these books we can do anything we wish to you idiots and we prove it time and time again.

      Our beloved fictionist Moses started the ball rolling for us back about 3500 years ago and its been a gravy train ever since.

      Yes we know that stupid peasant tried to pass himself off as the annointed one ( whoever that is, lol ) but he was taken care of and same for Mohammed freak sand nigger. Where would be without either of those tools?

      The African slave situation wasnt really planned but leave it to the idiot christian elite to fall for that one hook line and sinker. Everything worked out so well for us didnt it?

      Karl and Fredrick were genius and just look at how both sides of white christians in America were duped? lol

      We duped the idiot southerners and then used our boy “honest Abe” to dupe the northern whites to clean up the joint for us. “United we stand, divided we fall” ? lol

      Lets not even get into all the idiot stuff in the 20th century. What an exhilerating experience. Who would of ever thought?

      Can you say stupid christians, stupid whites, stupid everybody, except for us? lol

      How many white idiots died in the past 150 yrs all over the world? Have we kicked ass or what?

      And now after we have pretty much eliminated the white race worldwide from any threat to us and currently have everything going for us with this idiot Bush and his GOP ( and Democrats) since remember we work both sides of the fence with our superior intellect, we are truly coasting to universal victory arent we?

      We have the nukes of the world at our fingertips and we have the superpower like putty in the palm of our hands.

      We are the superior chosen ones. Remember? If any of you idiots doubt we are the chosen then please refer to our worlds best selling alltime media book to reflesh your memory. We can do no wrong.

      This goes for the stupid arabs too. You are just as important as adversarys as whites and christians to us. We play off you. We use you. Where would we be without you even though you worship one of our fiction books. Allah? lol Good one. The moon? lol. Couldnt you have at least chosen a better one? Let us suggest the sun god.

      You stupid stupid whites. You had it all and gave it all to us without a single bullet fired. You are so easily tricked and conned. We even use websites such as this to our advantage. Afterall we can use any atheist as well as christian or muslim or pagan. It doesnt matter to us.

      Look how we split the American whites using our African slave tools. These are not humans, they are human animals who have been trained to destroy your white race. Are you too stupid to see that? lol Let us help you. As inferior as they are they have taken everything from you idiots.
      Look at thow they are fucking your white females. Wow. And now we sell you the smut to make us more billions to go with the trillions we already make off you.

      To be so smart you are so stupid and ignorant. We love it.

      Today it is 2006. Look around you. What dont we own? We own it all. We have easily taken it off your hands and sit back and whine and bitch but we can use that also. We need everything you got.

      So let us leave you before we use your idiot Bush and GOP in our biggest adventure yet that we will obviously easily pull off and this follows the WMD ( lol ) in Iraq that you fell for.

      Hey look, we dont care how much you spend for us or how much blood you shed for us, because we are the “chosen ones” lol. We earned it. lol.

      Soon Iran will be attacked. We have given Bush 30 days or else. You may ask what is that? This means since we control all of the western nuclear weapons, the media, the money, the courts, the schools, the cities, the countries, etc we could turn the nukes on you and this includes our Russian nukes since we have 20,000 there and about 20,000 in our America.

      We are not fucking around. We intend to create a nuclear ” holocaust” ( we love that word dont you?)

      In the end we intend to kill about half the planet off, but we intend to use the other half as our indentured servants and perform a labotomy on each one if needed.

      By the way, we again wish to thank you from the bottom of our hearts for everything you idiots have done for us. You have played right into the our hands and for that we thank you. You have given us everything we wanted and all the trillions and the trillions we could possible spend.
      Thanks gals and girls.

      Hope you like your new underclass too and the parades they are undertaking. They are gaining. Lets face it. Ever since we used the negros they have done their part but have become too lazy so we must spice things up and send it about 100 million new negros to take their places since the jails are filled and most of their young are worthless drug dealers or bums and you whites have caught on to them and our game.

      We must close here but please continue the great work. We enjoy everything from the bottom of our hearts. Please continue buying our porn but we know you will. We know how to operate dont we? lol

      Good work on all the websites too. We use it all. We love it. We love those who hate us and we love those who love us. We need it all.

      Now go jack off to our great porn work you buy and follow us as we continue to pound the muslims ( who we own )using all those neat weapons and christians ( who we own ) all those trillions that seems to be limitless thanks to our boy Bushy. lol

      Thanks a bundle and keep up the good work.

      Jake the Snake, your pal.

    19. Carpenter Says:

      We have the nukes of the world at our fingertips and we have the superpower like putty in the palm of our hands.

      “We”? You don’t have anything, except a computer invented by Whites.

      About shocking images: it’s not either/or, you can have both the cleaned-up intellectual act and the more realistic view of our situation. Different material and websites for different people. Something to keep in mind.

    20. rdc Says:

      Jake the Snake is probably a WN troll, but what he says is 100% true.

    21. Cameraman Says:

      We have “Jake the Snake” coming off like a WN trying to use reverse psychology. Maybe it will work on some white sheeple. Something has to.

      It’s interesting how jews cover for their various sick depravations and tendencies. They’re scatological, exhibitionistic perverts so they call themselves “revolutionaries”, their revolution has “…broken on several levels,” and so on.

      Porn is just another weapon in their war on the West, their war against Whites. Just more evidence that will be used against them when the time comes, and it is coming, no doubt about it. They’ve made too many bad moves, not the least of which is their immigration debacle coupled with the neocon use of the armed forces to further the strength of great Izrael. One can only hope that most of the them, like ‘neocon’ #1 closeted homosexual Kristol don’t make it on a plane out of the US when it all sinks. It will be fun to see him or others guilty zhids squirm before being marched off to a cellblock filled with niggers or beandogs. A far too humane end, but we can always hope for more.

    22. Arch Says:

      I really like the porn juxtaposed with the various jew leaders, especially the photo of ADL Foxman and his quote as well as the Steve Hirsch photo with the raunchy “Black on White” poster in the background. Perhaps the best thumbnail is that of good ol’ jew Al Goldstein giving us the finger. After all, what image could possibly give a stronger portrayal of the jew’s attitude towards whites then this? Overall, this is a great picture that links the jews to their filth like a dog to itz droppings. The big SoD in the middle is also a very nice, well thought out touch that focuses the jewish link with the surrounding images. The star would have worked better had it been set in the middle of the picture as the points of the star would then point to the surrounding images. This would have an effect similar to earlier images of the jewish octopus with its grasping tentacles. Typically the hygienic Aryan flushes filth away where it can do no harm. We can only hope that this jew filth will likewise soon be flushed away to a location where it will decompose into a harmless, inorganic, mulch that can then be used to protect sprouting white flowers from further danger presented by the poisonous, jewish, mushroom. And I looked from jew to filth and filth to jew and could no longer find any difference.

      Arch Stanto

    23. -JC Says:

      Even so called soft-care sites from liberal Nordic nations, ostensibly operated by White men, like http://www.domai.com, exploit White Russian women. I think it is a good suggestion to look at our own morality, frown on anything off-color, and avoid even visiting such sites and leaving a digital footprint, which encourages these sex slave markets. Is there anyone who does not believe that even cleaning-up our language would not give us more credibility and wider appeal?

    24. GB Says:

      Ah, yes, the infamous Scandinavians. Yes, all of humanity is at their mercy. Damn, I saw one of the those Norwegians at the bank the other. I bet he was cashing in on his profits from porn! They are a scourge!

    25. Jim Says:

      If these images upset you then how are you going to get down and dirty when the time comes? Really, stop being such babies. This porn shit goes on all day every day. Sometimes I wonder if there isn’t a white woman in Southern California that isn’t on the jew payroll. Alex does the naive amongst us a favor by rubbing their nose in this shit. Maybe they won’t like the smell. Stop complaining about VNN and do something about the real problem.

    26. Outis Says:

      “Sometimes I wonder if there isn’t a white woman in Southern California that isn’t on the jew payroll.”

      I’ve had the same thought. Unlike most of you chaps, I won’t deny my past forays into the world of net porn. You see thousands and thousands of regular white girls, absolutely demoralized, doing whatever you can imagine. It has to be that at least 1 in every 10 Californian or Floridian girl is doing this shit.

    27. Jim West - Unjustly Banned Member of VNN Says:

      And Vnn bans ME for a few posts criticizing that lick-boot Rounder! Jesus Fucking Christ, as Vnn’s BEST Taa graphics designer who EVER lived, I would never have allowed that putrid nigger cock to be shown in any image I created. Hey, Mods! It’s about time you unbanned ME, don’t you think? Or do you prefer your new Vnn graphics in the nigger cock style!

      Screw Rounder and his whiny little old geezer’s mouth. If he doesn’t like what I have to say about him, he can always put me on Ignore.

      UNBAN JIM WEST NOW!!!!!!!!

    28. John K Says:

      And I thought VNN was being spammed by jews. Silly me. Operation Shock and vomit was a rousing success, I’m sure. Mission accomplished. Just watch the fencesitters pour in to VNN now.

      Can this Scheiss be removed anytime soon?

    29. Carl Loerbs Says:

      Jim West – if you sincerely want to be reinstated on VNN, you are approaching it absolutely the wrong way. Instead of intelligently and thoughtfully posting like you do on The Phora, you’re hysterically venting your spleen.

      Nobody expects you to kiss anybody’s ass over here. But for you to come over here and dump on us like this, then ask for reinstatement is like raping a woman, then asking her to marry you and put you through school. What incentive have you given Alex Linder to reinstate you?

      I’m not trying to act like a forum cop, but I can’t stand hypocrisy. Kindly grow up and act like an Aryan!

    30. karakazov Says:

      An important point is that this hard-core interracial porn is only the extreme and most offensive end of a continuum. The Jewish media contribute to the coarsening and over-sexualization of our culture, and perversion of the sex instinct, in many subtler ways as well. Note every TV or magazine ad for, say, soap, with some naked woman (strategically covered) lathering herself up with a lustful look in her eyes. Or the white cheerleaders flipping up their tiny skirts at sports events. There was a time not so long ago when a man would rarely or never see images like this, except his wife at home; now it’s everywhere, and its ubiquitousness weakens the resistance to and encourages the viewing of the above.

      One of the major propaganda lines of the Nazis was to point out the jews’ sexualized filth and their common employment as pimps; this was very effective. Such a simple and emotion-stirring message is often the only way to get people’s attention. Even for those of us reading this board, who are paying more attention than most, the nasty and disturbing image angers us and reminds us of our enemies’ depravity, and this has value.

    31. Des Gedow Says:

      Brickbats ALex!. The readers of this site don’t need such graphics to support an argument especially on this topic.

    32. Mark C Says:

      I don’t like the Jews. I’m not carrying water for the Jews.
      I recognize they’re major role in pornography.
      I also recoginize their disproportionate presence in “high places” and I do feel the surpressive presence of the Jew.
      I love Jesus Christ.
      But please hear me out…
      You’re going to have any huckster from any walk of life with access to money and power peddeling porn because it makes money.
      Why does it make money?
      Because MEN…Men of all races color and creed …..white , black , purple and green…buy the shit!!
      We’re missing the point. We need to be selling virtue not attacking these Satanists. I’m wondering if we really need to attack these heathens with hate and vitriol.
      I mean think about it , we can agree that they’re satanists?
      Well…the satanist can’t use trickerey forever .
      He used it on me for a while but I caught on. But I wasn’t hit over the head with it by a flash of bad porn on an alternative news site. I just caught on by default using logic.
      I would venture to say that most of us , if not all , caught on that way.
      We may be angry but we might want to take the higher road.
      I believe if we follow Christ it will work it’s way out. The power of Karma if you will.
      I mean think about it , if what Jake the snake is true as far as these heathen satanists actually created Christ?
      Well then…look what they did to their own.
      I think they’ll eventually do that to themselves.
      We can help through love of humanity and god not hatered of the Jews.

    33. Stan Sikorski Says:

      Mark, I have a bridge in the Sahara Desert for sale. Interested?

      Christers have had 2000+ years to beat the jew and all they have done is knuckled under. Time for some men to step up and take care of business.

      I do agree that jews are satanic although a better name for them would be anti-human. They are a plague upon the earth that must be removed for life to continue and prosper. I’m not going to wait around for an invisible friend to do it. Remember, the Lord helps those that help themselves.

    34. Mark C Says:

      Stan I don’t agree with that.
      You’re never going to defeat them.
      Mass extermination is unacceptable and inumane!!
      Count me out!!
      The best you can hope for is a see saw in power where us “Christers” have the upper hand at any given moment in history.
      That’s the way it’s been and that’s probably the best we can hope for in the future.
      We had a nation all to ourselves for upwards of two hundred years.
      It will happen again

    35. Mark C Says:

      How much for the Bridge btw?? lol

    36. Mark C Says:

      oh and another thing …
      Please don’t think by the comment “Mass extermination is unacceptable and inumane” that I’m a holocaust sympathizer.
      I , like most die hard VNN’ers, don’t believe the numbers or the so called “facts” surrounding the holocaust.
      I’m on board against the Jewish/Zionist New World Order.
      Just differ a little on how to win

    37. Orion Says:

      Hey Sickorski, you don’t get it. Those images could have been erased or otherwise censored out in the right spots and still conveyed the same message. Do we really need to see a white slut sitting on a nigger dick uncensored?

      Just like VNN though, bash you with a sledgehammer when a slap will do. No talent, no class. Makes you wonder…does VNN really want the masses to come to them?

      By the way, when are you going to fix the fucking links?

    38. Mark C Says:

      Orion I was trying to slap but …I guess it was better said with your “sledgehammer”

    39. rdc Says:

      Mark C and apollonian only reaffirm what Alex repeats constantly: that “christers” are fuckin’ useless.

    40. Carpenter Says:

      Alex sure knows how to push the crowd’s buttons. This is the longest thread so far. I think he looks at so-called WNs, and finds most of them wanting; lots and lots of talkers, who are so afraid of getting their fingernails dirty that really, it matters jack shit if they visit web forums or not, because they will never do more than that anyway.

      Speaking of Apollonian, rdc, why hasn’t he made a comment yet in this the longest and newest thread, you think?

      ( He is, on the other hand, busy babbling about the Fed in threads like this one:
      http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/?p=415 )

    41. Carpenter Says:

      Mark C says: I believe if we follow Christ it will work it’s way out. The power of Karma if you will.

      If we just pray, things will turn around automatically?

      People, this is the Christian attitude that we talk about. Can those of you who are Christians understand our arguments now? Even a Jew-aware guy like Mark C here says “let’s leave it all to Jesus,” hoping that it will all solve itself somehow.

      And genocide is “wrong” he says, forgetting how homo sapiens took Europe from the neanderthals, just to begin with. I see a guy who is afraid of getting his hands dirty. Just like White men have been afraid of getting their hands dirty for generations, and that is why we are dying right now.

      I would like to see you other Christian posters explain to Mark C why we must kill or be killed. If you can do that, using Christian arguments, then I will lighten up in my criticism of the use of religion in racial matters.

    42. Mark C Says:

      I don’t know guys I’m always open to debate and I do realize that you have to stand up and fight.
      I think that portion of my message was lost becasue I’m talking of fighting peacefully.
      What I mean by what you call “leave it to Jesus” would be that if we all just start to respect the word and the teachings and live accordingly it will all come together.
      Maybe I’m wrong.
      But we gotta start somewhere.

    43. Mark C Says:

      In addition to that …you’ve got to win public opinion or you’re nowhere.
      If we talk as if we’re extremists and even worse if we start to shed blood …we’re not going to win public opinion.

    44. Mark C Says:

      We’re also an evolved species Carpenter we’re not taking Europe from Neanderthals we’re taking back the whole of humanity.

    45. Stan Sikorski Says:

      Orion, what are these ‘fucking links’ you speak of?

    46. Mark Richards Says:

      I don’t think most consumers of porn would miss it if it was gone. It’s just that when it’s available it creates its own market. I don’t think most guys would mind not seeing naked women so long as they knew there weren’t any naked women to see. But if they’re only a click or a page away, freely available, men realize that just because they choose not to participate won’t make it go away. So why not?

      Does anyone believe that the men of the 40’s and 50’s appreciated the female form any less than modern men? If the market had existed they surely would have indulged in it. But it didn’t, and it wasn’t because no one realized the profit potential. It was because moral leaders of government and media decided that a healthy society didn’t need it. And the voters, the consumers, the common men, were OK without it. And the girls – the models, dancers, and actresses, would have been shocked and deeply offended at the mere suggestion that they should do such things.

      The questions are, what’s different, and why is it different? Certainly, something or someone changed the basic morality of our people, both the men and the women. Who? How ? Why?

      The answers are what VNN is trying so hard to provide.

    47. rdc Says:

      WNs should not be opposed to tasteful or even explicit within-race porn. What we have a problem with is Jews and blacks exploiting our women, and humiliating them. It’s fine if we do it.

    48. BNF Says:

      Does this shit have to be pasted on the front page? I mean, c’mon now. I don’t want to see this filth every time I visit the site.

    49. brutus Says:

      Viewer Discretion Advised……jewish code for “Hey Look!â€?

    50. Tom D Says:

      JakeTheSnake:
      “Guess who the biggest buyer of jew porn is? Can you say white male?”

      Plenty of white women also watch it. They just usually have the men do the buying (nothing new there).

    51. Des Gedow Says:

      I think you’ve dumped a huge crap on this site Alex and as a result it’s attracted its fair share of jewflies….you can tell the way they post, throw in a few profanities, speak of violent alternatives, opine with gusto… and play their infantile little keyboard games thinking they can’t be seen.They know who they are!
      Real Aryans know the problem and the solution and don’t need to jewuflect on the issue.

    52. Will Williams Says:

      For Whites in healthier times, until recently, sex was for procreation, a participatory activity between a man and his mate, not a spectator sport. We’ve been Jewed when it comes to sex, that’s certain. As Mr. Linder would say, Pornography is the symptom, the Jew the cause.

      I like Jake the Snake’s commentary in this thread. His slap at the stupid Xian goyim is just a rehash of what Marcus Eli Ravage told us 78 years ago in his “A Real Case Against the Jews.”: http://www.patriot.dk/ravage.html

      Gullible, suggestible, superstitious White Xians couldn’t grasp the truth of what ol’ Eli was telling them then and they can’t comprehend Jakob’s regurgitation of the same truths now. Christinsanity is unAryan, a Jew-spawned creed that sprang from the Levant, not Europe; grounded not in reality, but in worship of the imaginary Jew tribal god and his mythical bastard Jew son. It’s for pacifists, as anyone reading Mark C’s thoughtless, escapist “I believe if we follow [the Jew] Christ it [the Jew problem] will work its way out” nonsense. No honest, clear thinking Aryan biological racist believes such childish pap, and should be attracted to VNN’s straight talk, it’s red meat, as I was, when compared to the pabulum that passes for White resistance on the various right wing, Xian patriot Web sites. I’ve had hopes that a true revolutionary vanguard could eventually emerge from some of the best who gathered at VNN, something along the lines of what Dr. Williams Pierce was carefully building before his untimely death. His National Alliance was subsequently hijacked and watered down to where it’s just another run of the mill right wing umbrella organization. There’s a big void now in the WN scene as a result and only VNN was filling it.

      Controversy sells papers, they say, but the graphic images of nubile blond girls on VNN’s Main Page, fellating and having anal sex with nigger beasts will not sell VNN’s paper, The Aryan Alternative. Both TAA’s creative talent and it’s biggest distributors are being driven away in droves, deliberately it seems, by Mr. Linder’s decision to supplant the positive, attractive approach that was growing with each new issue of TAA with this repellent “shock & puke” tactic.

      The heavy Jew hand behind the pornography industry can be effectively revealed without repulsing the very people we wish to influence and attract, especially those valuable few stalwarts already on board. Just pixilate the crotch shots. To deliberately sabotage the gains made by TAA makes no sense whatsoever. Only a fool would promote a product that points White people to VNN’s Main Page now only to run the risk of having impressionable young Whites’ eyes assaulted by these images of defilement and then have to deal with their rightfully pissed off parents.

      Since Alex Linder says he’s getting out of print publishing because he has bigger fish to fry, and doesn’t have time for something by which he can’t make any money, I hope he makes lots of money with the new people he attracts to his big fish fry, as he puts distance between himself and us “crybabies” and “whiners.”

    53. Edgar Steele Says:

      You have gone too far, Alex.

      The graphic accompanying this story is one of most disgusting things I have seen in quite some time. You have are well beyond merely illustrating Jewish smut peddling and now have become a smut peddler yourself.

      Not only will I not allow any member of my family to visit a site that posts images like this one, I am seriously questioning the wisdom of having my name appear anywhere on such a site.

      What in the hell is happening to this so-called movement? DukeFront fast is becoming the new, Jew-loving People’s Free Republic, while its Nero fiddles away in the Ukraine. NA has gone down the tubes for good. NatVan is splintering without having gone anywhere.

      We need a new American Nationalist movement, with all new leaders, one that appeals to the disaffected of all the foregoing (probably 90% of each, in my opinion) and hereabouts (less but significant), as well as the increasingly restless average White American.

      This is my last post on this forum until I see it shift back into something I can respect.

      Edgar J. Steele

    54. Bickle Says:

      Grandma, you happy now?

    55. Mark C Says:

      Will says ; “It’s for pacifists, as anyone reading Mark C’s thoughtless, escapist “I believe if we follow [the Jew] Christ it [the Jew problem] will work its way outâ€? nonsense. ”
      It’s well thought out. Just because you disagree doesn’t make it “thoughtless”
      Look…weather you believe in Christ , Buddah, The sun, Martians, Atheists etc…one thing remains…what these people do is fundamentally evil.
      Christianity is a relatively young religion. Give it a chance.
      We’ve taken our lumps but come out on top 9 out of 10 times. (See the United States Constitution)
      I don’t believe Christ was a “Jew” creation. I believe “the snake” to be a troll.
      So for you to change my mind and think “fight fire with fire” I’m going to need to re-examine my belief in Christ. I’m open minded enough to do so and have no fear of change. But I’m doing so with the strong conviction that Christ had an awesome idea.
      His , for all intents and purposes, was an idea of how to beat these people long term.
      That’s the bottom line.
      Not only is genocide unacceptable but it’s not a solution.
      Ever try getting all the roaches exterminated from an apartment complex?
      No one has come out and called directly for genocide but the implications are clear in some of these posts.
      And don’t forget P.O.S. ; It’s Public Opinion Stupid!!!

    56. Mark C Says:

      If Christs teachings weren’t so strong then why are the “Jews” trying desperately to strip down those institutions formed in his name?

    57. Flugabwehr-Kanone Says:

      VNN, like most of the cookie-cutter Jew fixated white nutsionalist [bowel] movement, is stuck in the abyssal rut of ideological masturbation.

      Enslave, and sell to Mongols.

    58. Mark C Says:

      In addition …we’re overusing “the sword”
      I’ll call for the sword only when necessary.
      When do I feel that?
      The day Social Services or some other satanic and/or government organization tries to harm or break up my family in an immediate way.

    59. Dean Says:

      The picture doesn’t shock me as I’ve seen plenty of porn in my day and I’m well aware of the Jews behind it. But exactly what purpose does it serve here?

    60. Carpenter Says:

      If Christs teachings weren’t so strong then why are the “Jews� trying desperately to strip down those institutions formed in his name?

      If Asatru weren’t so strong, then why are the Jews trying desperately to erase its symbols from northern Europe? Answer is, Asatru is not strong, but they are attacking anything that has to do with European history. They hate Christianity, but that doesn’t mean that Christianity is of any use to us. Why would it mean that?

      By the way, why do you place Jews in quotation marks? If you don’t believe they are actively working against Christianity and other signs of European heritage, you have a lot to learn about the media.

    61. alex Says:

      First, I didn’t make the graphic. Second, I approve. It’s effective. My only disagreement is that the SOD belongs in the center square. Could even be dressed up as though the whole image were on the hairy chest of Ron Jeremy, with SOD on a chain.

      You don’t like the graphic, that’s fine. The sites these graphics are drawn from are in the top couple thousand on the Internet. You don’t want your kids to see them? Check your browser history, they probably already have.

      This is just another area where the christians and conservatives complain about cultural degradation without putting a name and face to it. We aren’t christians and we aren’t conservatives. We put the bald words to the bald pictures and it is effective.

      The correct reaction to this picture is that – we should have been posting such long ago. I suggest the makers next combine a photo of fruit-saladheaded soldier with “Who’s your girlfriend fucking while you’re off saving Israel in Iraq?”

    62. Carpenter Says:

      Christianity – converting non-Whites for 2,000 years and counting.

      Christianity – the religion that had 2,000 years to prove it could get rid of Jews, but instead tried to convert them.

      Christianity – the religion that makes Mark C and other people say “I believe if we follow Christ it will work it’s way out.”

    63. Jim Says:

      Once again the keyboard commandos attempt to shoot the messenger because they are unhappy with the message. What a bunch of prudes. Did you ever think that perhaps Alex Linder did this to shock you into action? So you don’t like it. Too bad. Start your own blog. The criticism and disunity apparent on this website and others is symptomatic of why we will never get anywhere. Did the nasty pictures bruise your egos? Boo-hoo,whimper,simper.
      Threats of picking up your marbles to go play elsewhere. What will we do without you? Given the opportunity to solve the question of the final solution with no consequences to your own personal safety, nine out of ten of you still wouldn’t have the balls to do it. After Dr. Pierce passed away, I felt that Alex Linder was the only man currently on the scene who could fill his shoes. I thought we needed a ” leader ” and that he would be a good choice. Do I intend to question every act he does or every line he writes? NO. Thats not how it works. Unless of course you prefer the current system of dumbocracy. Which is what you have. If you don’t like what he does – go vote for Hillary.

    64. Lokuum Says:

      Anyone who buys into Eli Ravage’s crafty attack is a fool. He only qualifies the modern jewish power structure, high finance, war mongering, revolution, porn, and other media dominance, then directs his shocked audience to the jews’ true mastery over us, Christianity, thus making the claim that they have been our puppet masters for the last two thousand years. I’m not a fan of the modern churches and I don’t mind criticisim directed toward them but when broad sweeps of all Chistian thought are relegated to mere stupid superstition I feel all of Western heritage is under attack. Was the last two thousand years a big mistake? Looks like a jewish intelectual left hook to me.
      As a conservative I believe man is mind, body and spirit. Many nationalist want to concentrate solely on the mind, IQ, statistics, and social studies. But ask yourself this, Why is it that the rise of scientific thought and technology during the 19th and 20th century has also parelleled huge distructive wars, revolutions, and ultimately the slow population declines of western countries?
      I’m not claiming Christianity is the answer but wouldn’t it better to champion the Christians, and anyone else that come to the side of Nationalism, rather than make more enemies than need be.

    65. karakazov Says:

      After seeing the anger of so many of VNN’s posters on the thread in “This Just In” (229 posts in a day), including many of the most intelligent and prolific, it seems to me the nasty graphic was a really bad idea.

      “The criticism and disunity apparent on this website and others is symptomatic of why we will never get anywhere. … Do I intend to question every act he does or every line he writes?”

      Criticism and disunity, certainly the bane of any white organization – but not criticizing EVERY act doesn’t mean not criticizing ANY act.

    66. Geoff Beck Says:

      Dear Karakazov,

      First of all there is NO movement to harm. Again, there is no movement to harm.

      Second, this rupture has been not only informative to our Jewish enemies; I’ve learned a lot about where the fault lines are, it has been an education. This “sturm und drang” is most enlightenening.

    67. karakazov Says:

      Yes, unfortunately there really is no movement to harm. And indeed, the reactions have been interesting; it has stirred a lot of people up. Unfortunately, unless they’re bluffing, it seems to me that it has stirred many of the best people to leave.

      To me it seems that the main thing whites, such individualistic people, need is organization and racial unity (including white media), ironically much like the jews have. They need communities based around being (1) pro-white and (2) anti-semitic. It seems to me that a solid community of that type, if only on the internet and with most everyone under a pseudonym, has developed at VNN, and it’s a shame that a single porn graphic apparently threatens to seriously disrupt that. The negatives seem heavily to outweigh the positives.

    68. Mark C Says:

      Well to answer your question Carpenter
      I believe that there are more forces at work forwarding the Jewish agenda.
      But your probably right in that I shouldn’t be using quotation marks because I believe they’re the leaders of this agenda.
      I apologize Carpenter

    69. Mark C Says:

      You might find this funny coming from me but I never said that I didn’t like what Alex posted.
      I F***ing applaud it LOUDLY!!!

    70. Mark C Says:

      I suppose I might not be welcome here with my views.
      I just want to find common ground because we have a common enemy.
      I agree with this source 99 times out of 100 so I can’t be that far off with you guys.

    71. Tim P. Says:

      What amazes me is that people can see that shit and then come on here and make pro white-on-white porn postings. Any way you look at it its exploitation and degeneracy. Would you like your daughter to perform in a porn video? Those people devalue themselves to the point of worthlessness. I agree with the object of the posting which is to piss people off…but dont drive them away with it. Censor the damn thing, keep your audience and piss them off at the jews rather than the messenger.

    72. New America Says:

      Mr. Steele made a fascinating observation.

      I suspect Linder looked at the Soft Reconquista that is taking place, saw how our “national leaders” are caving in to them, and said, “We aren’t even showing up to the game! They are winning by default! I see that every time the Jews need something, some of them kick in more than enough money, and more than enouph manpower, to GET things done! We can’t organize enough so that our few men who can take and meet the responsibility for leadership don’t have to hump it on a nine-to-five System job, but can be freed up to carry The Work forward.”

      Steele made a fascinating point, and this might be the topic for one of his speeches, as well as a Nickel Rant:

      “Movement? WHAT Movement?”

      Setting aside Mr. Steele’s comments re pornography – and how many hours a day do we spend in a semihypnotic stupor being indoctrinated by watching The Other Pornography – Television, the Jew Tube…

      Mr. Steele wrote:
      “What in the hell is happening to this so-called movement? DukeFront fast is becoming the new, Jew-loving People’s Free Republic, while its Nero fiddles away in the Ukraine. NA has gone down the tubes for good. NatVan is splintering without having gone anywhere.”

      Mr. Steele is eminently correct – what we have called a “Movement” is a tool that we have allowed our enemies to define, to their satisfaction, and our detriment.

      The common factor that DukeFront, NA, and NatVan all have in common, is that they are people – usually one or, at the most, two people – and that is pretty much it.

      There is NOTHING resembling an organization, anywhere, for accomplishing anything more substantial than what they have done.

      A shrew and cunning man might consider at least two of the three to be little more than false flags, useful as foci for consolidating, and neutralizing, any sort of intelligent opposition.

      Linder has been incredibly accurate, and incredibly consistent, saying the same, 100% Full Power messsage (“NO JEWS! JUST RIGHT!”), and is defining the issue intelligently; so, by the way, is Peter Shank, who is addressing the larger issue of RACE, family, and culture, and so is Hal Turner, and the NSM.

      Say what you will about Hal Turner, and the NSM, they did MORE for US in ONE HOUR in Kingston than all of the “Conservatives” and “Movement People” have done in FIFTY DAMN YEARS.

      If we don’t put some wood behind the spear – cash money, AND boots on the ground – we might as well say “Goodnight” to the American Moment, and watch as Western Civilization renews, reforms, and rebuilds, elsewhere, on Higher Ground.

      Mr. Steele continued:
      “We need a new American Nationalist movement, with all new leaders, one that appeals to the disaffected of all the foregoing (probably 90% of each, in my opinion) and hereabouts (less but significant), as well as the increasingly restless average White American.”

      I would urge Mr. Steele to get a copy of “America -Wake Up!” by Arnold Kontiel, of the American Nationalist Movement.

      His ideas and prescriptions are what adults do.

      Ignore the choice of names he uses to describe people, and just focus on the message.

      We have become a Democracy; we MUST develop the Aristocratic Leadership needed for the New America, AND we must act like adults – no, like Elders of the Church.

      Mr. Steele continued:
      is is my last post on this forum until I see it shift back into something I can respect.”

      Edgar J. Steele

      Peter Shank made the best point of all – if we can’t do something together, collectively, politically, then we might as well turn out the lights….

      The party’s over.

      That is the same point Linder made years ago, and correctly so.

      In conclusion – for now – The Movement AS IT HAS BEEN has been all but the finest gift ever handed to our enemies.

      THEY think RACIALLY, with an eye that looks GENERATIONSdown the road for the fulfillment of their plans.

      We had damn well better start doing the same, and now – right now – would be an excellent time to start.

      Anybody ever read “Imperium?”

      New America! An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    73. Olde Dutch Says:

      In the New Testament the two genealogy’s of Christ are of his “father” Joseph; there is no genealogy given of Christ’s natural mother Mary. Nothing to indicate Mary was a jew, or descended from jews. Plus, a jew named Mary would be very odd.

      The philosophy of Christ, was in many ways expounded earlier by Zarathustra. I really doubt you could get more proto-aryan or Indo-Aryan than Zarathustra. Friedrich Nietzsche recognized this connection between Christ and Zarathustra.

    74. Outis Says:

      I’ve been saying “what movement?” ever since I found VNN. I’ve been slandered, talked down, banned, and generally reviled for it time and again. The difference is Steele has wordy-cred. But it’s the same idea: WN is dead. It has accomplished very little since the 50’s. Continuity is its only virtue, but continuity doesn’t push back Aztlan, Africa or Judah.

      Reading “Imperium” won’t solve anything and has, moreover, little to tell us about our time. The long intro on history and historical thinking covers that much.

      We are done for. Abolish elections and death to the Jews, to paraphrase our friend Appy. The sooner everyone quits having high hopes and believing in outmoded ideals and methods, the sooner we’ll again become a threat to Judah, by which I mean individual Jewish lives.

    75. pete barker UK Says:

      Hey, and I got banned by SID the UK mod ‘sine die’ because he didn’t like me !

      At least I never broke any rules, and I didn’t post any porn either.

    76. Mark Says:

      I agree with Mr. Steele and New America’s comments. There is no movement really, just various egos striking out at what they don’t like. That’s fine, it’s entertaining and interesting, but is it going to have mass appeal?

      Maybe that’s all Alex wants, to shock people and strike out at Jews and the rest of his opponents, no holds barred without care of consequence. I understand this, but it isn’t enough. Sometimes you have to moderate your message. Less is more. You could have made an equally effective picture without being excessively vulgar.

    77. Carpenter Says:

      As a conservative I believe man is mind, body and spirit. Many nationalist want to concentrate solely on the mind, IQ, statistics, and social studies. But ask yourself this, Why is it that the rise of scientific thought and technology during the 19th and 20th century has also parelleled huge distructive wars, revolutions, and ultimately the slow population declines of western countries?

      Pick up a history book and start reading. The world has ALWAYS been at war. Was has ALWAYS been EVERYWHERE. Tribe against tribe, nation against nation, with a few years of “peace” tucked in here and there, meaning you only have some smaller skirmishes to worry about.

      “huge destructive wars,” yes, nothing like when Europe was threatened only by Persians, Saracens, Ottomans, Huns, and Mongols.

      Nationalism is true conservatism. Those who call themselves conservatives and reject nationalism – they are part of the problem we are facing. A point Alex Linder has made again and again, but perhaps you are a new reader, so I won’t berate you for not having picked it up yet.

    78. Carpenter Says:

      Jim says: Once again the keyboard commandos attempt to shoot the messenger because they are unhappy with the message. What a bunch of prudes. Did you ever think that perhaps Alex Linder did this to shock you into action? So you don’t like it. Too bad. Start your own blog. The criticism and disunity apparent on this website and others is symptomatic of why we will never get anywhere. Did the nasty pictures bruise your egos? Boo-hoo,whimper,simper.
      Threats of picking up your marbles to go play elsewhere. What will we do without you? Given the opportunity to solve the question of the final solution with no consequences to your own personal safety, nine out of ten of you still wouldn’t have the balls to do it.

      Excellent points made! I have nothing to add, just thought it deserved a reposting so latecomers to the thread can see it.

      Don’t you just love it when someone who has never done anything for the cause threatens: “If you don’t quit doing this and that, I’m gonna leave! You bunch of savages, you never get anywhere because you don’t listen to smart guys like me!” Leave, and take your weak middle-class attitudes with you. Leave now, fruits. You have never done anything other than complain on internet forums, DEMANDING and DEMANDING attention because you are so great. So great you won’t dirty your hands. For which you have a thousand excuses. I hope the icky, icky porn shocked you – more of that, I say.

    79. New America Says:

      OUTIS addresses A point, but misses the larger issue.

      I argued that most of the “Patriot” groups – especially the Birchers, as Oliver documented, but including most of the WN groups – are little better than false flag operations, and the finest allies our enemies have.

      Peter Shank and Alex Linder are in substantial agreement on this critical issue – the Deep War, the Cultural War, has been well under way for millenia, and our enemies – that’s the JEWS, as well as the other races – are organizing exclusively, and successfully, along RACIAL lines.

      The last time someone on OUR side did this sucessfully in America was when Brigham Young led his followers to a damn desert in the middle o nowhere; the subsequent success of Mormons in general, and the LDS Church in particular (at least in the Intermountain West), speaks volumes to the effectiveness of this approach.

      Young focused SOLELY on RACIAL GREATNESS, using his understanding and practice of Christianity as the spiritual dynamo the community could unite around, and derive comfort and support from.

      Young would have been right at home with a copy of “Imperium” close to hand, and might well have formed Study Groups around that very useful volume.

      What separates Young from all of the WN “Movement” Leadership is this: Young was ALWAYS thinking about what is to be DONE, NEXT, and moved with steadfast discipline to make that happen – on a RACIAL level.

      He always knew what to do…

      I am embarrassed that Hal Turner has to ask for money, when he is doing a uniquely valuable service to our people, and our RACE – HE leads by example….

      I am embarrassed that Edgar Steele put together a fund for those who CLAIMED they wished to help support his legal efforts on behalf of our people, and all of the people who spoke so fervently about how they would shed the last drop of their blood against ZOG (ha! ha!), could not find it in their heart to send twenty dollars to this fund. Bet they bought a six pack of Miller Lite that weekend, though…

      I am embarrassed that Peter Shank does not have the financial wherewithal to form a radio network of his own – we badly need this.

      I am embarrassed that, after FIFTY YEARS, only Hal Turner and the NSM actually forced a change in the Enemy’s behavior, and support – even silent, ANONYMOUS financial support – is all too lacking for them…

      We are the people who crossed the prairies with handcarts, and turned desert into Deseret – sand into Civilization.

      We HAVE to see ourselves as vital, active links in a Chain of Being.

      We HAVE to see ourselves as inheriting what our parents, and grandparents, sacrificed their lives for – and we must transform this situation into something our grandchildren would be proud of.

      If you will read the personal journals of the people who followed Young to Salt Lake, you will see they ALL had a sense of historic destiny – THEY had been chosen by God to fulfill their part in better a beter world. It might have been a world they would not live to see, but they did their duties to the needs of the RACE – and no one could ask for anything more. The matching of RACIAL destiny with PERSONAL responsibility produced miracles arising from the fertile soil of Western Civilization, and Christianity.

      There is an old proverb – “Sow a thought, reap an act; sow an act, reap a habit; sow a habit, reap a character; sow a character, reap a destiny.”

      Our thoughts, such as they have been, have led us to the destiny we face today…

      Would your grandparents be proud of you?

      Will your grandchildren be proud of you?

      What are you thoughts, and what acts do they lead to?

      Are you still watching television – Talmudvision, the Jew Tube – even now?

      Why?

      What could you be doing instead – for your grandparents, your grandchildren, and all of your family in between them, for your family, and your RACE?

      Some thoughts:

      One, Arnold Kontiel’s book, “America – Wake UP!” is an excellent primer.

      Two, a new book is out on the Vermont Republic – just go to Amazon and search for “Vermont Republic.”

      Three, get a copy of “Imperium,” and use it for ideas that will inspire you to act – ACT! – as well as think, intergenerationally.

      Finally, let’s follow the example of Brigham Young, and start where we are…

      New America – An Idea Whose Time Is Here!

    80. Jim West - Unjustly Banned Member of VNN Says:

      Carl Loerbs Says:The 11th of April, 2006 at 4:09 pm: “Jim West – if you sincerely want to be reinstated on VNN, you are approaching it absolutely the wrong way. Instead of intelligently and thoughtfully posting like you do on The Phora, you’re hysterically venting your spleen.”

      JW: Good that you noticed that I post “intelligently and thoughtfully” on The Phora. Perhaps that is due to the fact that I’m surrounded by “intelligent and thoughtful” Phora members. Here, I got treated like dog shit by that old geezer Rounder. Like that big fat greasy nigger cock stuck inside that white pussy, Rounder has been a big fat nigger cock stuck up all our butts from day one. I was willing to work with Linder, and helped make a success of TAA Issue#3. And boy, my cover for TAA#4 was ready to go, baby – weeks before MLK Day. But…no one at VNN acted upon it. So, after being pestered in private for “donations” by that nagging son-of-a-bitch after I had given the equivalent in several hundred dollars of free graphics works, I had already MADE my contribution to TAA.

      So yeah, I’d like to come back – but only on one condition – that that nigger-cock-up-everyone’s-butthole-24-7-365-“Rounder” keeps his fucking nose strictly to delivering the TAA. That, and keep the fuck away from ME.

      Carl Loerbs: “Nobody expects you to kiss anybody’s ass over here.”

      JW: Bullshit – “Rounder” expected EVERYONE to kiss his ass – or he’d get them banned. He’s made a lot of enemies on VNN, more than you may think Carl. And Linder went seriously wrong on that NIGGER SHIT blog entry. WE already know the score on that kinda shit. Newcomers taking one look at that and it’s “Hey, I’m outta here!” That is, unless they dig on nigger dicks pumping white snatch.

      JW: So if the mods want to re-instate me, fine. If not, fine. Whatever the case, FUCK YOU “Glenn Frazier Miller”.

    81. Tim Johnson Says:

      Part of the outrage the graphic caused was the assumption (you can see it in many responses) that AA 4 will feature it on page 1.

      Where did that assumption come from?

      “Sheila Gurnowitz says she was shocked – shocked and disgusted – when she picked up ‘this filthy rag’ in her driveway. After putting her dirty tampon back into the garbage can from which it had fallen, she also found The Ayrian Alternative newspaper in the driveway…’Not enough black cock, but ok,’ she said. Her husband was locked in the bedroom with the paper and was unavailable for comment.”

    82. Shadoe Says:

      As of this post the word(s) JEW JEWS or JEWISH have appeared 292 times in just this thread.

    83. Erich Says:

      Uh,

      I just want to tell everybody that Erika is not in any of those pictures. She told me she never fucked niggers or jews. That’s all; keep up the good work.

      Erich.

    84. pete barker UK Says:

      I have to hand it to Linder, he is more effective than our Nick Griffin. Griffin just continually wants wogs and niggers in the movement, and he has tried and tried and tried. The UK movement won’t allow it. Linder has used nigger and poofter porn on his site and bust your movement up in seconds.

      They are both working for the jew and no mistake.

    85. Olde Dutch Says:

      Erich brings up a related issue. It seems that jews are major players in these “gentlemens clubs”, “strip joints”, and “titty bars”.

      Too bad there is no way to get a real handle on the % of jew ownership, but, my guess would be that jews own at least half of these places. Maybe more when you consider the involvement of jew lawyers in these joints.

    86. Megasaurus Says:

      One can’t blame the jew who profits off the appalling stupidity of the average White male.

      We know they’re opportunistic, give-em-what-they-want, capitalists whose only god is money.

      It’s always been this way and always will be this way. If people are buying, the jew is selling. And people are buying. Some go so far as to call the Internet a porn delivery device first, and some other stuff second, third, fourth.

      The question for us is how can we get White men to stop worshipping film footage of attractive, young White females getting fucked? This porn, to me, represents what we should all fear in a civil society: a horde of sex-obsessed nymphomaniac gutter sluts whose “profession” is getting naked and fucking for money.

      The female is beautiful for a host of evolutionary reasons but the power of the female lies in providing or denying the male access to her body, particularly the vagina.

      When 50% or more of the female population becomes obese (as in the Kwa) and access to casual or unconnected sex becomes more difficult for average Joe Barfly, then he turns to video. And he pays for what he ought to get freely from his spouse or girlfriend: the pleasure of sex and ejaculation. How many ways can a guy make love to his hand? Porn is a symptom, the jew is the disease, but the underlying problem is our Puritannical and cultural super-obsession with Nature’s masterpiece: beautiful White girls. Look at the magazine racks: all those beautiful women smiling on the glossy pages.

      Men should say BFD to watching beautiful women whore themselves on film and concentrate on finding good partners and wives to make children with.

    87. Mark Richards Says:

      To paraphrase French Revolutionary Jean Marat:

      “Because we will not take 500 heads, millions of our brothers will die”.

      Sigh.

    88. Outis Says:

      Amen, Richards. Brink back la terreur.

    89. Antagonistes Says:

      An old proverb: Beware of hunting dragons lest you become one yourself.

      Is this not why Christ told us to pray for our enemies–not for their good, but for ours. Not so that we would be wimps, but rather that we not become like our enemies. In no sense did he abrogate justice.

    90. Mark C Says:

      Shadoe.
      We’re talking about the Jews.
      How would you like us to refer to them?

    91. John Q Public Says:

      No doubt this will be the magic bullet that brings it all together. Surely, within weeks, there will be hundreds of thousands of whites in the streets demanding that Jews be expelled. Amazing the genius of this graphic— just wait, you’ll see!

    92. Jim West - Unjustly Banned Member of VNN Says:

      TEST: [IMG]http://www.puh.lv/news/data/upimages/nigger.jpg[/IMG]

    93. Jim West - Unjustly Banned Member of VNN Says:

      TEST #2:

      Niggers of All Species Must Die

    94. Jim West - Unjustly Banned Member of VNN Says:

      Third Attempt to Post Photo:

    95. Cowboy Zeke Says:

      “Mark Says:

      The 11th of April, 2006 at 6:25 am

      In my opinion, enlightening people to Jewish involvement in the perversion of our culture and people can be done with more class. Must we be subjected to gratuitous images and language to learn? What about younger readers to your website? Let’s not become like those we despise. ”

      I will have to agree with this. Although I will not stop supporting Alex for the amount of work he does, I feel there could have been a much more tasteful way to execute this, even if it was only blocks of flat color over the objectionable parts. We need not descend into the pit to fight the demons.
      This is the only time VNN has disappointed me, and the only other time was the Bill White debaucle. While I understand that images of this type are readily available elsewhere on the web, which children can view, we are better than this, we are White, we don’t need the overt smut to get the message. Please understand it is not that I am a less shocked by it, but rather moreso because it was directly on the front page, for all, young and old, male and female to see.

      CZ

    96. Edward Teach Says:

      Herr Linder got a twofer here.

      Not only is this post largely working as intended, but also – judging from a quick review of the posts here and on the forum – the chaff appears to be removing itself from the wheat.

      Those who whine about a simple pic like this just don’t get it. And if they just don’t get it, they don’t need to be crowding the rest of us when the fun begins.

    97. pete barker UK Says:

      The ‘beaners’ are marching all over the USA, but your white nationalist leaders seem to have disappeared off the face of the Earth. Don’t you want power or what ?

    98. pete barker UK Says:

      Posting porn for white nationalism. FFS !

    99. Outis Says:

      RIP VNN 2006

    100. New America Says:

      Have the many who have complained sent in one damn dollar to support VNN, or Hal Turner, or the NSM, or damn near anybody?

      With a very few exceptions, and even then, a very few dollars, no.

      I suspect a Winnowing is developing – many are being called, and few are self-chosen, to actually DO SOMETHING FOR A DAMN CHANGE!

      Angry at VNN?

      Fine.

      Cable Bay will host YOUR blog, and even YOUR Forum, for virtually nothing.

      Linder nailed it some time back when he said, “The best rebellion is excellence.”

      Want Uncle Alex to do all of your thinking for you, as well as provide entertainment to YOUR satisfaction?

      Not going to happen.

      Our racial enemies, organized EXCLUSIVELY along racial lines, contribute MILLION of dollars, and MILLIONS of man-hours, for their RACE, on an annual basis; go into ANY synagogue and see how incredibly focused and motivated they are, ALL in the pursuit of RACIAL SUPREMACY – supermacy over US.

      Look at what ANY racial organizations members have done for their cause, and multiply it by TEN.

      THAT is the bare bones baseline for where OUR “Vanguard” should be.

      Hal Turner, who has done more good for WN in ONE HOUR than all of the rest of the so-called “White Nationalists” have done in FIFTY YEARS, has to solicit money – bluntly, money that is mere chump change for our racial enemies, money that is raised as casually as tip money at almost any synagogue in America – to actually DO SOMETHING for US, as a RACE.

      How much did YOU send it to Alex Linder, or Hal Turner?

      Look in the damn mirror.

      Many, many people told Edgar Steele, “You need to start a fund to help provide financial support for all you are doing for free.”

      Now, if you happen to run into Edgar Steele – for whom I have the highest respect – ask him just how much money was actually sent in for this fund.

      YOU will be as ashamed as I was.

      Now, look at us, collectively.

      Hell, even given the low caliber of person that all too often is attracted to WN “Movements” (and “Movement” is a term that is EXTREMELY generous), we should have been well ahead than where we are.

      You will find a rule at work here, with maybe one or two exceptions that proves the rule:

      The people who are bitching the most, have done – and are doing – the least – for our RACE.

      They came here for entertainment…

      You don’t like VNN, and VNNF?

      Fine.

      Go to Cable Bay, and do BETTER (for VERY little money!), OR…

      Go back to knocking back those 40 ouncers, and watching the NBA.

      New America! An Idea Whose Time Is Here!

    101. Ready to Fight Says:

      Is it possible to set up something anonymously with Cable Bay – at the moment, I do need to keep my job. But I want to do my part. I’ll spend the money, but that comes from my job.

    102. the anarchist Says:

      The Jews involved in porn (not all are Jews) have only fulfilled the demands of White consumers, who have every opportunity not to consume it. That porn is so popular among Whites merely points to Jewish cleverness rather than corruption: they seized on a market before you did.

      If White Nationalists had the intelligence of Jews — unlikely, according to Kevin McDonald and other scholars — they would fund their own porn sites to generate revenues for their movement, knowing that porn, like prostitution, will not disappear.

    103. the anarchist Says:

      That would be Kevin MacDonald, excuse me. It’s been a while since I read his work and disposed of it.

    104. antarctic anarchist Says:

      Actually, all scholars say is that jews have a higher average IQ (107.8 vs 100) than the average “White” (The 117 claim has turned out to be bogus). No doubt more research is going to show this gap to be smaller. Moving on, the jews have their weaknesses too, and one blaring weakness is in problem recognition. This is why everything they do eventually backfires. They think ahead, but they don’t think ahead. A good example is what they did with immigration in the US and Europe. Now it’s biting them on the ass. Whether it’s simply Arab kids beating the shit out of smarmy, well connected pussy jew kids in school, or mestizos pouring in who openly hate the judio Christ Killers, it would be funny if it didn’t portend more problems for whites in general. The full collapse that is coming will straighten things out, and the jews that manage to get out will go somewhere else looking for a new host. A strange people they are, intelligent yet uninventive – everything they do is based on someone else’s creations or insights. Everything.

      Their inbred arrogance and self deception doesn’t help them out either. They can’t see they’ve fucked up til it’s too late.

      Whites will be OK in in the end, but it’s going to be tough going for awhile.

    105. Outis Says:

      I don’t believe the Jews have ever realized en masse that they’ve fucked up: they would have to recognize that their very existence qua Jews is one big fuck up and abandon it. Their existence is tied at the root of their being to denial of reality.

    106. Lokuum Says:

      Carpenter,

      Berate all you want. I never said that war was new to the 19th and 20th century, but rather that a particular brutality had developed, starting with the French revolution, Napolians campaigns, the American war against the South, the Boer war, World War one, the Bolshevic revolution, World War Two. The twentieth Century is recognized by historians as “an age of conflict without any precedent in recorded history.” Ivor Benson, The Zionist Factor. I myself believe that it is the culmination of the age of reason- equality, fraternity, liberty.
      You say Nationalism is conservatism, which doesn’t mean anything. I say Nationalism derives from the word native signifying race. I would further say that Nationalism involves a people who share a history, one of empathy, not conflict.

    107. Outis Says:

      It meant “birth”, not “race” as we use the word; though it’s clear from the extension of birth to country that “race” was eventually meant.

    108. pete barker UK Says:

      NEW AMERICA…..’get your fucking knees brown’ as we say in the British Army. That means, do some service before you spout off.

      Linder has cocked up big style. If he just admitted it then it would be OK, but no, he gives it the ‘big ‘un’ against those who disagree with him posting hardcore porn.

      Linder has allowed wankers to run the website, he also never answers e-mails. Just what is he doing that is so important ?

      He just owns some cyberspace. So bloody what ?

      Linder a future white nationalist leader ?

      Apart from the UK sycophant moderator, and drunkard, SID, (who has been a nationalist for TWO years) he has no tangible support.

      You in the USA, like us in the UK, need to put a ‘big boot’ up our leaders arses, to get them to do something constructive.

    109. Outis Says:

      I’m with you, mate. Linder’s m.o.’s a bit dodgy, innit?

      Seriously though: I can’t downplay Linder’s verbiage. It is all-important in itself, but he ruins it with bad graphics, bad formatting (the blog), and questionable moderators. I sometimes think he lets others write as “alex”. I can’t stand how he answers constructive criticism, either! You make one suggestion and you’re a little kid in a playpen throwing building blocks. Granted we are underlings in the equation, but he used to be more approachable.

    110. New America Says:

      Pete?

      pete barker UK Says:

      The 14th of April, 2006 at 6:02 pm

      “NEW AMERICA…..’get your fucking knees brown’ as we say in the British Army. That means, do some service before you spout off.”

      pete – Been there, done that.

      I have seen how FIFTY YEARS and MILLIONS of dollars – and man-hours – have been spent in fighting EVERYTHING BUT the one common thread that connects all of their nebulous “enemies of the week.”

      The number of people who actually went straight at the enemy can be counted on the fingers of one hand – Hell, damn near the FINGER of one hand.

      No matter who is doing the counting, Linder is RIGHT THERE; thanks to the Internet he has done more than anyone since Pierce, and, frankly, he is succeeding where Pierce failed.

      He does have a profound challenge to all of us – do better.

      Remember, Cable Bay internet will run your blog, your website, for very little money.

      How much money did YOU send to Edgar Steele’s defense fund?

      “Linder has cocked up big style. If he just admitted it then it would be OK, but no, he gives it the ‘big ‘un’ against those who disagree with him posting hardcore porn.”

      pete – I am as opposed to Linder’s posting of porno as the next man, up to a point.

      Where is the point?

      I suspect Linder noted a simple fact – the White Nationalist “Movement” – using THAT term very loosely – with a handful of exceptions (NSM Toledo, NSM Florida, Hal Turner and the NSM at Kingston) has accomplished exactly NOTHING….

      Sent any money to Hal Turner? VNN?

      ANYONE can do that.

      “Linder has allowed wankers to run the website, he also never answers e-mails. Just what is he doing that is so important ?”

      pete – So many people need to have their hands held that they take up any time for carrying theball down the field.

      Live your OWN life, and don’t wait for Uncle Alex to put aside his familial duties, just to be bitched out for succeeding where his detractors have CONSISTENTLY failed.

      Cable Bay will run YOUR website, YOUR blog – for virtually nothing.

      Again, I quote Alex Linder – “The best rebellion is excellence.”

      The only thing that is stopping you is (fill in the blank).

      “He just owns some cyberspace. So bloody what ?”

      pete – So can YOU!

      Cable Bay Internet – build that share of mind!

      “Linder a future white nationalist leader ?”

      pete – Linder has his hands full being the best analyst we have – and the best countermeme programmer we have.

      He’s GIVING us the ideaas, and the analytical framework.

      Why do we ask him to do ALL of the work as well?

      Here’s an idea, Pete.

      Why don’t YOU try being a “white nationalist leader?”

      Far too many of us are looking for someone to live our lives for us.

      BE what you want the world to become…

      “Apart from the UK sycophant moderator, and drunkard, SID, (who has been a nationalist for TWO years) he has no tangible support.”

      pete – Are YOU part of that problem?

      Are you here for education, or entertainment?

      BE what you want the world to become – get your own blog on Cable Bay.

      “You in the USA, like us in the UK, need to put a ‘big boot’ up our leaders arses, to get them to do something constructive.”

      pete – We need to back them, FINANCIALLY, and THEN we need to BECOME what we want the world to BE.

      There are few things as “constructive” as money.

      Want to bet Linder realized TAA represents a dead medium, just like ALL of the mainstream media’s newspapers and magazines? This, in spite of Tsun’s pictures of beautiful women offering the example of applied racism – a perfect target for the young lads of college age.

      If THAT didn’t make the big difference, what will?

      Want to bet Linder realizes the Internet IS the future for ALL mass communications?

      Alex is cool about this, though.

      If YOU can do better, step up to the plate…

      Oh, by the way…

      How much did YOU send in to support TAA? Hal Turner? The NSM?

      Though so.

      Here’s a fun idea:

      Contact Edgar Steele, and ask him how MANY people told him to set up a fund to help defray his expenses – OUT OF POCKET EXPENSES – for defending our people at critical times.

      Then, ask him how much people sent in.

      I suspect he is ashamed as we all are…

      You – and I – don’t have to BE the next Great Leader, but we DO have a duty to support them financially.

      Besides, when you send in serious money, or even weekly beer money (consistently!), you have the right to serious bitching!

      No money?

      Well, that’s a different story.

      Like Edgar Steele, I find the pornography at the top of this thread vile, repugnant and abhorrent.

      However, Alex didn’t put it there for me.

      He probably put it there to drive home a point – many of our young people view literacy as an option, but live in a world controlled by the vehicles of choice for the Propasphere – television, and movies.

      Bet it got THEIR attention.

      Bet that was the purpose.

      Do BETTER.

      Send some money to your favorite WN cause, and then call Cable Bay Internet, and set up your own blog.

      New America! An Idea Whose Time Is Here!

    111. the anarchist Says:

      Antarctic writes: “Actually, all scholars say is that jews have a higher average IQ (107.8 vs 100) than the average ‘White’ (The 117 claim has turned out to be bogus). No doubt more research is going to show this gap to be smaller.”

      Clearly American Jews have a higher IQ than the average White. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to see that Jews are, on average, much more intelligent than the meth-addicted hicks from where Linder comes. How many Jewish meth addicts are there? I wager there are few or none. But you see many low-IQ “Aryans” (I’d guess some even post on WN message boards as Nordic warriors) in many parts of the country. I suppose that’s another thing about Jews: they corrupted the whole culture — stupid as they are — and caused all of this Aryan mayhem. :D

      I believe that the races do have different talents and abilities, whether by nature or nurture or a combination of the two. In the case of the Jews, they seem to have strong verbal and mathematical skills (there are too many prominent Jewish physicists to dismiss them as mere copycats). They have produced great artists and writers: Pissarro, Montaigne, Mendelssohn and Heine. In philosophy they have Spinoza (I guess another copycat!). I do grant that they appear to have a weakness in painting, notwithstanding Pissarro’s talents. The Jews also have practical smarts, not always captured by IQ tests, hence why so many are good at finance and law.

      I don’t know about you but Gwyneth Paltrow is a real hot Jewish woman. I bet the vast majority of single White men would be interested in dating her. :D

      I am not Jewish, by the way (WNs, being low-IQ rejects of society without education or debating skills, assume anyone who disagrees with them is a Jew). I like the whole idea of finding a woman with good genes and preserving your race, but you won’t find that in the WN movement. Ironically, the best genes are in groups many WNs are opposed to. But that’s the Darwinist in me speaking, not the ideologue.

      [Sidenote: I really dig Southerners and Southern girls, but let’s not deny there is some truth in my observations about hicks, if we are ALL granted some generalizations.]

    112. Outis Says:

      Pissarro,

      Montaigne – A Francophone Sephard who specialized in platitudes. I guarantee you’ve never even read Montaigne, and I’ll tell you why: he’s utterly boring. There is nothing new or different in his writing. His essays are essentially a French rendition of the Old Testament with Latin footnotes. This conforms to the general truth that Jews only imitate or calculate.

      Mendelssohn – “…in hearing a tone-piece of this composer’s, we have only been able to feel engrossed where nothing beyond our more or less amusement-craving Phantasy was roused through the presentment, stringing-together and entanglement of the most elegant, the smoothest and most polished figures—as in the kaleidoscope’s changeful play of form and colour — but never where those figures were meant to take the shape of deep and stalwart feelings of the human heart.” (Wagner, “Judaism in Music”)

      Spinoza – Cabbalism and Jewish morals wrapped in philosophic garb. I guarantee you’ve not read Spinoza, and if you have, you completely missed the point.

      Pissarro – Mere decadence.

      Your examples fail, naturally, for you’re a twit who’s been schooled in Jew-sucking clichés, but also for the deeper reason that you can’t make an inferior type to be something it isn’t. Try this experiment: ask twenty random people to name one famous woman from history, predating the twentieth century. Mark how many say “Joan of Arc”.

    113. the anarchist Says:

      Outis calls me a twit (no surprise), and to counter what I wrote offers opinions on writers and artists that go against the views of numerous *authorities*, even anti-Semites.

      Pissarro = decadence?

      http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/pissarro/coffee.jpg

      That’s “Peasant Girl Drinking Her Coffee.” I hadn’t seen that one before this conversation, honestly, but I was stunned by its beauty.

      Here’s another I liked:

      http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/pissarro/stick.jpg

      That’s “The Shepherdess.” I guess I like scenes of ordinary people who are presented with dignity. If Pissarro is “decadence,” so is Vermeer!

      Authorities regard him well. Of course, “decadence” is a relative term: it’s hard to match the production of the Renaissance. But that doesn’t mean there is no intrinsic beauty in the Impressionists. If Pissarro is decadent, so are the other Impressionists — and if you dismiss this entire group, most art experts do not. (I have yet to hear of a famous White Nationalist artist, by the way, so it’s easy to talk the talk rather than walk the walk).

      Whether you like Mendelssohn or not, his music has been very influential and he has been admired by many composers — even ones who put aside anti-Jewish bias, common in the 19th century — Wagner’s criticisms notwithstanding.

      From what I remember, the anti-Semite Voltaire said very positive things about the philosophy of Spinoza. Of all people he was the most critical of Jewish superstition. His IQ was probably twice yours, or close to it.*

      Bear in mind, these are just a few names. I have avoided all of the scientists and physicists — well-known and less well-known — but I suppose the same response would be given: they just copied the work of their “superiors” or were “decadent” (a word which can mean anything, like “racist” or “anti-Semite”).

      You’re so hung up on dehumanizing Jews that you are unable to see their talents and abilities — even while posting on a Web site that proposes this very group that you perceive is inferior has total control over the thought processes of your superior group.

      That’s OK, you aren’t the only one. There are posters who can’t accept there are attractive women of other races, or that Whites engaged in race-mixing during the conquest of Central and South America — they think the conquistadores were Jews (to them non-White).

      *Intelligence correlates somewhat with objectivity.

    114. whiteskelet Says:

      Jews dominate pornography… the show is filthy… But it’s not filthy because Jews are in it: Jews are in it because it’s filthy. They can’t help rolling in filth, just like Blacks or Arabs can’t help being stupid and violent.
      They engage in all that stinks, wondering why those naive goys let the way clear. What me dignity?

      But not all clients are Jewish.

      Pornography is a test for Whites. If you think it’s filthy and don’t want to see it at all, you really are White. If you watch that with lust, you may have browner blood mixed in.

    115. Trapped in L.A. Says:

      Anarchist, you should see how many coke addicted jews there are here in Los Angeles. I worked in entertainment for years. There are droves of jewish cokeheads and alcoholics.

      I also believe whites have talents and cognitive abilities that don’t show on IQ tests. Jews are smart, but they are also educated. There are ignorant whites – but being ignorant is different from being stupid, like a black or mestizo. Jews make sure to maximize their child’s brainpower during upbringing. Like the other guy wrote, they also work to make sure whites don’t. Of course, there is a ‘white trash’ culture too. To deny that is to be unrealistic. But to believe all the information we receive on the accomplishments of jews at face value is to be naive. They in fact are not all that creative, and are terrific thieves, this includes intellectual theft and fraud. We don’t need them. They need us.

      BTW – Paltrow’s mother is white, and obviously she gets her looks from mom. One look at her dad, the dead film director, and you’ll see for yourself.

    116. Outis Says:

      “it’s hard to match the production of the Renaissance.”

      Doesn’t excuse vagueness in painting. I admit it requires its own kind of skill, but the point here is not what is being painted – though the cult of “ordinary people”, seamstresses and whatnot, is plebeian enough to be dangerous to a heroic view of life – but how things are painted. In any case, in my view, art is mostly irrelevant, painting above all. I’m not one of these WNs who make a big deal of “white art”, so all discussion of art with me will get you nowhere.

      “Whether you like Mendelssohn or not,”

      I said nothing about that. I merely quoted Wagner, and his point was precisely that: though Mendelssohn’s music may be amusing or pleasant, it isn’t profound.

      “his music has been very influential”

      Yes, Jews are usually very influential. Usually because their kinsmen are in publicity.

      “From what I remember, the anti-Semite Voltaire said very positive things about the philosophy of Spinoza.”

      And that’s why Voltaire is not classed as a philosopher.

      “I have avoided all of the scientists and physicists”

      You’re quite typical. That correlates to being pro-Jew, advocatus diaboli. In any case, you imagine Jewish this-and-thats scare me, oh no, an intelligent Jew existed! Rather, I ask you to put forward one truly positive contribution to human knowledge for which we have a Jew to thank. I say this not rhetorically; I can name my own examples, old scholarly Jews I wouldn’t trade for a thousand Aryans. But this beside the point. Psychologically speaking, you’re nothing but a dog carrying a bone for Judah; this you can’t see. It is amazing to me that a white man, or any man, would be content with his lot as an advocate for disgruntled, disagreeable master race like the Jews. You’re more or less an Uncle Tom in the House of Judah. The point is, Jews are inessential. Trot out all the token Jews you like: Europe and the West took not one step forward with Aryan genius leading the way. If you took away all the white genius, and just left the jewish, so-called, you’d have…..well, nothing much: you’d just have the Torah, for it is indeed the case that in everything the Jews, as outsiders, had to delve into our creations, in music, painting, science, or what have you. By denying that Jews are uncreative and at best imitative (though this leaves out the omnipresent Jewish flavor in all imitation), you deny Jews their true character and history, for a nomadic people can never be truly creative; art and science are flowers of otium. It’s basic horticulture, and it’s just your penchant for sycophancy that leads you astray from the basic truths of the organic world.

      “You’re so hung up on dehumanizing Jews”

      Either you went to school, or you are in school, and no doubt have imbibed much rhetoric which was designed solely to dehumanize Aryans and lionize Jews; in other words, you’re a lickspittle to a much more insidious form of dehumanization.

      The truth – which is alien to you, as a spouter of Jewish hyperbole – is that you know absolutely nothing about me, and cannot register a word of what I am saying, because *you* are too busy lionizing a race which has trained you to do just that. All I’m doing is saying the names you trotted suck and that’s because they were kikes. I’ve dehumanized no one so far; besides, the Jews dehumanize themselves — they are buffeted from within against the bounty of humanism, which they used and use as a weapon against us. If you want to reproach someone for dehumanizing Jews, walk into a Yeshiva, if you can, and tell the Rebbe to stop drumming hatred of the goyim into the yidls. Burn a Torah. Write the ADL a letter about their “Early Childhood Initiative” multicult programming in preschools, while their own children are safe within the confines of the Jewish community. If you want to rebuke someone for dehumanization, reread Spinoza, if you ever read him, and see if you can find the faintest hint of man, as he is, in the cabbalistic aridity of his system.

      But enough, it’s all wasted on you.

      “you are unable to see their talents and abilities”

      On the contrary: I simply don’t see any talent in your puny examples. I can name half a dozen Jews with leagues more talent in their respective fields, including Indo-European studies. But you, being a mere sycophant, only twirl a few names about with no inner appreciation, much as punks, to piss of Nazis, will say things like, “I’m going to fuck a black person to get back at those fascist scum!” In other words, you’re a white person patronizing another race or group to make yourself feel righteous; in other words, you’re precious multicult training didn’t go deep enough.

      “That’s OK, you aren’t the only one.”

      Who said, “A patronizing tone is the hallmark of the misinformed”?

      “they think the conquistadores were Jews (to them non-White)”

      I don’t know why you’re preaching to me, hoss. Or rather I do: you like to preach. I’m all for conquistadores, Jews or not. The Frankfurt Schule yids were more or less conquistadores, just armed with pens. Ah well, I’m done with you.

    117. Outis Says:

      Obviously I meant “…withOUT Aryan genius leading the way.”

    118. the anarchist Says:

      I just want to add, despite your condescension to me, that I do not despise you, Outis, nor look down on you (maybe I do see you as naive, though).

      Outis writes: “In any case, in my view, art is mostly irrelevant, painting above all.”

      You are not the only WN that feels this way. With leftists much more interested in art than conservatives, it should be of no surprise that they have had a stronger influence on popular and even high culture in recent decades.

      Outis writes: “And that’s why Voltaire is not classed as a philosopher.”

      Writer, philosopher, polemicist: call him what you wish, but Voltaire wrote philosophical texts. I suppose this is just one example of a conversation breaking down due to ideological bias, whereby two people speak different languages.

      You think I am a tool of the Jews, which is perfectly fine (and trite). I don’t think Jews are nearly as powerful as you and others believe; it only appears that way because you deny the element of volition in the way Whites behave. If Whites enjoy porn, the Jews have corrupted them into liking porn. My feeling is that WNs are prudish about sex, and prudishness to me is associated with the Bible Belt and an inferior education. So many White girls enjoy watching porn — with or without their boyfriends. This thread will turn off millions of Whites, but I suppose a Jew lickspittle like me is the problem.

      As Kevin MacDonald writes, anti-Semites and Jews engage in self-deception. In my view claiming Jews have made no major positive contributions to Western culture is an example of this. So is the claim that the conquistadores were Jews (thus denying that Whites race-mixed), or that all non-White women are “muds.” That’s why I brought up the subject, but again, perhaps it’s best that we depart ways about now.

      I only wish to stick up for the millions of Whites reviled by ultra-conservative and prudish White Nationalists, who have their morality questioned, the same way they do by Fundamentalist Christians. If White Nationalists would stop bashing the vast majority of Whites, perhaps I would not be handing it back to them the way I do.

    119. pete barker UK Says:

      New America : In case you haven’t read my info, I reside in the United Kingdom. I have never even heard of this Steele character you mention, should I have ?

      You in the USA have had no-one since Dr.Bill Pierce, who I was unfortunate not to meet, when he came to London in 1993 to speak. We lost John Tyndall only last year. Neither are replaceable.

      The point is, publishing porn is WRONG. We are a pro-family movement.

      Just who the hell is Linder anyway ?

      And no, we can’t host websites here in the UK, due to our laws. That is why most of the webspace for all white nationalist groups in the World, reside in the USA, due to your Constitution.

      I know one thing, that Dr.Pierce and John Tyndall would have thrown a fit at Linder for using porno. I know that well. Every UK nationalist group and the German nationalists that I speak with are totally opposed to VNN for doing this. And here’s me thinking that VNN was NS. Hitler would have sent his SA into this website, and trashed the lot, and no mistake.

    120. Jim Says:

      U.K.
      You say that you never had the pleasure of meeting Dr. Pierce but you ” know one thing, that he would have thrown a fit at Linder for using porn. You know that well” You don’t know jackshit. I had the pleasure of meeting with Dr. Pierce on several occassions. He was a calm man who studied each situation very carefully. I don’t presume to know what his reaction would have been but I can make an educated guess. He would have made his opinion known and counsel that we learn from our mistake and MOVE ON. Just my two schillings comrade. Then again whats my opinion compared to someone who doesn’t know Pierce or Linder buts does know what Pierce,Tyndall and even Hitler would do? No mistake too.

    121. the anarchist Says:

      I just re-read what you wrote, Otis, and I must admit I picked up things I did not grasp before, because you turned me off with what appeared to me the type of platitudes one would find in “Mein Kampf” (e.g., your comments about nomads being unoriginal). It seemed to me as though you had plagiarized Hitler (I don’t mean this as a joke either).

      I think you have some literary flair though — but I have learned that you can be unoriginal and have an ability to express yourself in words. Unoriginal ideas can be expressed articulately. Isn’t a lack of originality the subject of our discussion, though? :D

      You said Jews have been inessential to the West, a topic I have not touched on but I thought I would for the sake of fairness, given the length of your post and the way your argument about Jewish uninventiveness hinges on this.

      Jews are, and have always been, a small fraction of Europe’s population. Thus to say they are “inessential” is saying nothing really (although many scientists who do not so readily dismiss Einstein and other Jewish physicists disagree). It is also to some degree a value judgment because Jews have influenced Christianity, which has influenced the art and values of the West (although I somewhat sympathize with you as an atheist on this aspect). So without Jews the technological development of the West, supreme in the world, would have been more or less the same — but then, would we normally expect a different result from a population that’s only a small fraction of the European people? Thus, to say Jews have been “inessential” is unrelated to whether or not they are inventive.

      As a thought experiment, let’s use the Lithuanians. They have been inessential to the West, I gather. Would you hold the Lithuanians to the same standard? According to Charles Murray in “Human Accomplishment,” the Scandinavians have also been inessential to the West (while the English, Germans, Italians and French have been). Would you call the Scandinavians inessential? Would you call them uninventive?

      I like Scandinavians — at least the foreign exchange students I saw in college — and note they have a high standard of living in their orderly countries. But they haven’t been the most inventive people either.

    122. New America Says:

      pete –
      pete barker UK Says:

      The 15th of April, 2006 at 7:19 pm

      “New America : In case you haven’t read my info, I reside in the United Kingdom. I have never even heard of this Steele character you mention, should I have ?”

      Yes; Attorney Edgar Steele’s site is conspiracypenpal.com, and he is a statesman for our cause, our people, and our RACE.

      From what I can tell, he become knowledgeable as to the issue of the Jew the same way we all have; a sudden, shocking event in which we awoke from a dream, and realized our “friends” were actually our parasites – a classic Oliver formulation, that.

      “You in the USA have had no-one since Dr.Bill Pierce, who I was unfortunate not to meet, when he came to London in 1993 to speak. We lost John Tyndall only last year. Neither are replaceable.”

      And to what do be blame that?

      The world changes, and society moves on.

      Pierce paid the price – as did Rockwell – as did John Tyndall – as has Edgar Steele – as has Alex Linder – as has Peter Shank – ALL woke up one morning, and realized that an implacable, eternal foe, organized SOLELY along RACIAL lines, had such power as to disrupt their lives to such an extent that it seems their previous life was based on a dream.

      Many men go mad in such circumstances, and waste their lives in a state of learned helplessness.

      These men haven’t.

      They have, and are, putting their lives back together with a new awareness, an awareness the Jew takes for granted…

      “The point is, publishing porn is WRONG. We are a pro-family movement.”

      As to the first part, I could not agree more, and if it was MY website, it would not have been published.

      As to the second part, if we are a “Movement,” then we might as well call it a day.

      It amazes me; we have ABSOLUTELY the ONE CAUSE everyone agrees with – after they look over their shoulder to make sure no one is listening – and, somehow, HISTORICALLY, we have managed to attract the damndest back of incompetents, half-wits and fools imaginable.

      The reason is simple.

      The Enemy controlled the tools of information, the terms of the debate, and even the words.

      WE unconsciously – television! – adopted THEIR terms, and THEIR definitions.

      We were beaten before we came to the playing field.

      The Internet, alone, has allowed us to see that we are NOT alone in seeing behind the Matrix, seeing HOW the Propasphere works to define us to the Enemy’s satisfaction.

      We are finally getting the beginnings of organization on our side.

      People are finally starting to Awaken…

      The thought of White Christians organizing along RACIAL lines – which is what we did when we were the greatest country in the history of the world, with the greatest economy AND the greatest degree of personal freedom at the same time – just terrifies the Jews.

      IF enough of us Awaken, then we will go from Awakening to Activity, and that activity could well include playing Edgar Steele’s favorite game, “Cowboys and Jews.”

      “Just who the hell is Linder anyway?”

      Alex Linder – I don’t know the details of his Awakening – is THE SOLE HEIR to the titles of Rockwell and Pierce: Rockwell, because, like Rockwell, Linder – damn near ALONE – puts ALL of his efforts into going TOTALLY at the Jew, straight on, without mercy, and Pierce, because, like Pierce, he addresses the entire range of organized human activity along RACIAL lines, and the “Battle of Genes and Memes” that the Jews were actively engaged in – as predators, on the attack – and we were passively engaged in – as, literally, sleepwalking victims, the most helpless of prey.

      Guess who has been winning?

      Guess who is terrified of us Awakening?

      Remember, White Christians, organized along RACIAL lines, have been the ONLY group that posed a threat to Jews in the history of the world. Look at Christ, look at Martin Luther, look at Hitler.

      We even have a clean, simple motto:

      NO JEWS, JUST RIGHT!

      Even the BNP leadership can understand that one…

      “And no, we can’t host websites here in the UK, due to our laws. That is why most of the webspace for all white nationalist groups in the World, reside in the USA, due to your Constitution.”

      Yes, but you can USE Cable Bay; it is hosted in the US.

      For now.

      “I know one thing, that Dr.Pierce and John Tyndall would have thrown a fit at Linder for using porno. I know that well.”

      I suspect that Pierce is looking at us from Valhalla, and thinking: “Everything I worked for all of my life is in the hands of our enemies. I did not think RACIALLY. I did not have access to all of the tools this fellow Linder has. If I had, I would have recognized that the Battle is total, absolute, and fought on all fronts, by an Enemy that rejoiced when Jesus went to the Cross. I have no truck with Christianity, particularly what Christianity has become, but the Jews have got us using their terms, on their terms. Bob Matthews did his best, but he was premature; this fellow Linder is defining OUR framework, in OUR terms, for OUR people, and OUR RACE. The porno – less than 1% of 1% of 1% of all the content on this website – seems to be standard fare on television, particularly the satellite and cable channels. Most of our people are so Asleep they need to be SHOCKED into the beginnings of Wakefulness. Now, the NSM. THAT’S another matter!”

      I suspect Tyndall is looking at what has become of the BNP, and shaking his head in sorrow…

      From the Empire to being a Second World Country with First World Enclaves, in his lifetime…

      “Every UK nationalist group and the German nationalists that I speak with are totally opposed to VNN for doing this.”

      Now, EXACTLY how much have they contributed to VNN, the Aryan Alternative, Hal Turner, Edgar Steele’s Defense Fund?

      Look at what Linder has to work with; his efforts are no less effective, from what I can see, from what the British nationalists and the German nationalists have become…

      Remember, if they are opposed to what Linder is doing, take heed of Linder’s words: “Excellence is the best rebellion.”

      Do better.

      “And here’s me thinking that VNN was NS.”

      Not yet; yet, the FOUNDATION for NS can only be laid in a cultural matrix where WE define the terms to OUR satisfaction, and that is what Linder, master of the countermeme, is DOING.

      He is doing this, I might add, for little damn support from any quarter.

      Try sending him the money you spend on beer this week, and send the money you spend on beer NEXT week to Hal Turner.

      If enough of us do that often enough – WHILE WE CAN! – we can lay the foundation for an NS State Savitri Devi would have been right at home in.

      “Hitler would have sent his SA into this website, and trashed the lot, and no mistake.”

      No.

      Goebbels would have called Linder, and ask Alex how it was REALLY working out, and asked him if he needed any financial support OR political defense from the Party.

      Goering would probably have had a good laugh with his friends.

      Hitler would have been busy doing better – at every thing.

      Like we all should.

      BE what you want the world to become!

      New America! An Idea Whose Time Is Here!

    123. Outis Says:

      “call him what you wish, but Voltaire wrote philosophical texts. I suppose this is just one example of a conversation breaking down due to ideological bias, whereby two people speak different languages.”

      Not at all. My point was that Voltaire wrote nothing on the level of, say, a system, as with the German philosophers, and nothing exhibiting the depth of thought of a Nietzsche. We are speaking the wrong language, however: it is better to call him what he is called in his own tongue — a philosophe. That is true. The philosophe, though the word is precisely “philosopher”, became a species unto itself. I would call Voltaire a “philosophic writer”. Diderot is more a philosopher in the popular sense. So, to repeat, Voltaire’s estimate of Spinozism, like Goethe’s, is no more acceptable to me than Spinozism itself. Their opinion was a product of the time and more specifically their own natures. Goethe, for example, found in Spinoza a pure, systematic expression of the “Unbeteiligtkeit” of Christian love; that is to say, he found in Spinoza God, which he did not find in D’Holbach, whom he read before Spinoza. In a Yockeyan sense, their opinions have nothing at all to do with Spinozism itself, but only speak of their relations thereto, though I can explain their relations in precise terms; the point is that Spinoza isn’t necessary.

      While we’re still on the lens-grinding kabbalist, I should ask you to condemn the Sanhedrin of his day for “dehumanizing” him with the Hebrew curse “yemach shemo”; his own people excommunicated him for writing something not in accord with Orthodoxy, and excommunication among Jews is more serious than it is among Catholics. This is another example of Jewish inhumanity, and I expect you to realize that Jews are the most dehumanizing of all races, deliberately or by their mere presence.

      “They have been inessential to the West, I gather. Would you hold the Lithuanians to the same standard?”

      Of course. They have been useful in one very important area, however: their language is a perfect counterpoint to Sanskrit in Indo-European research. Other than that, they’ve been harmless pagans. Herder made much about them and created that noxious overestimation of the primitive which we still see in “Native American Studies”, but that can’t be laid at the Lithuanians’ door. The difference here is that while both Jews and Lithuanians are not necessary, the Lithuanians never imposed themselves on other Europeans. Jews did, again and again. Today they even theorize themselves as existentially necessary as “the Other” — the surest sign that a race is absolutely unnecessary and disastrous. I’ll admit you have a point re Christianity, and one can’t undo the whole thread of history because one wonders what would’ve become of Aryans had Christianity not been introduced to them.

      “Thus, to say Jews have been “inessentialâ€? is unrelated to whether or not they are inventive.”

      Calling them an influence is surely also unrelated to invention, then. Actually, one cannot deny the Jew his inventive power in pure religiosity; in that area alone he is the original master. *But that is all*, historically and organically. The Jew *is not* an inventor because his nature, which is to say his historical organism, what makes him the “Jew” is his having been made into a Jew from the mere Hebrew by the priests and prophets of Judah — the pure racialistic with a formless, nameless, totally theoretical god and a mission in the world: to get revenge for being small. There is *will* in this, but not *creativity* or anything else. To be sure, there is poetry in old Israel; but its neighbor, Judah, knows nothing but materialism.

      “Would you call the Scandinavians inessential? Would you call them uninventive?”

      Actually, I would. I don’t idolize the Nords; never have. Their phlegmatism is abhorrent, their race corrupted by miscegenation with Finno-Ugrics, and their language an ugly deviation from the Germanic norm as expressed in English, Dutch and German. Their isolation has, however, allowed them to be rather inventive in creating the most liberal and efficient sort of society, but the predicate of course was the lack of any other race. In that area they are probably unsurpassed. The Germans proper are limited only by geography and resources. — So yes, I would say they are quite inessential, as they themselves believe.

    124. Outis Says:

      “If White Nationalists would stop bashing the vast majority of Whites, perhaps I would not be handing it back to them the way I do.”

      Well, they deserve bashing. But WNs deserve more — just not with jewish rhetoric, which you employ. I think I’ve always said plenty of things against White Nationalism Orthodoxy without recourse to jewish rhetoric. It’s quite possible to point out faults without repeating what Jews say.

    125. James McElroy Says:

      Alex — You MUST check out the “Dark Secret” website! Niggers fuck white wives while limp-dick (white) hubby watches. Then she makes him lick her clean. One story features him ironing his own cum (thus killing the sperm) while white slut takes the nigger com sans rubber. And that’s not the bottom of the sewer!

    126. pittsburgh Says:

      I like the way you set up that your info is the homepage, nicely done. Thanks!

    127. Ιουστινιανός Says:

      Mark, if you wait that long any defense of you family will be totally in vain and they will end up walking over your dead body to take your family to do whatever they damn well please with them.

      And no “God” will be able to help you.

      Quote:”Mark C Says:

      12 April, 2006 at 8:33 am

      In addition …we’re overusing “the sword”
      I’ll call for the sword only when necessary.
      When do I feel that?
      The day Social Services or some other satanic and/or government organization tries to harm or break up my family in an immediate way. “:Unquote