26 September, 2006

Released: Truth is No Defense #28

Posted by alex in Geoff Beck, VNN, White radio at 3:20 pm | Permanent Link

Last week Nationalists made gains in Germany’s state elections: how did this happen, what does it mean for Germany and nationalist politics in greater Europe; and importantly, what lessons might American Nationalists learn from these events?

Those topics and more are discussed with “Alex from Germany” in this special edition of Truth is No Defense.

Direct mp3 download (15.3 MB): TTIND_28.mp3

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  7. 30 Responses to “Released: Truth is No Defense #28”

    1. H.Schneider Says:

      If Germany can be motivated to get off its knees after 61 years of slander and ignorance, then there is finally hope for white people and their future. Stalin rightly said , that whoever controls Berlin will control Germany and whoever controls Germany will control all of Europe. Let us build on the newly found good will that the German right has created towards a future without third world immigration and alien /chosen tribe havoc.

    2. James Hawthorne Says:

      Marine Le Pen said this in that Spiegal article

      Together with fellow party members, Marine created an organization known as “Le Pen Generations,” an intellectual group for political youth in which the hottest topic of debate is a new “governing culture.” The party already has almost two dozen of these interest groups, including the club for “Hunting, Fishing and the Environment,” the “League for Life” and the “National Circle of Jewish Frenchmen.”

    3. Otto Hilstrom Says:

      I can’t listen to this show. When I click the streaming link, I get a page that says invalid source.

    4. Geoff Beck Says:

      Otto:

      Our apologies, the stream is not available. It will be up soon. In the meantime you may chose to download the file: http://vanguardnewsnetwork.com/download/beck/TTIND_28.mp3

    5. Geoff Beck Says:

      Here are the numbers we discussed in the broadcast:

      http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?s=1b3e44d8c32df5987b8ffd3b404ed0bd&t=38476

    6. Geoff Beck Says:

      The stream is now available. Thanks Stan.

    7. Scipio Americanus Says:

      “Together with fellow party members, Marine created an organization known as “Le Pen Generations,” an intellectual group for political youth in which the hottest topic of debate is a new “governing culture.”

      James Hawthorne — thanks for posting this point. This is what we need to do here in the United States. We need to focus on the younger generation of Whites who are simply bewildered and in desperate need for role models and leadership. To hell with the so called “Baby Boomers” and the so called “Greatest Generation” World War Two folks. They are the ones who dropped the ball and allowed our once great Republic to degenerate into this multiracial cesspool that we now find ourselves.. We need to focus on the youth — that will be our future, not the hordes of compromising older White folks who care only about their social security checks and don’t give a damn about their posterity.

    8. Suggestion for Improvement Says:

      One suggestion for improvement —
      Geoff, while Alex would be speaking, you kept saying ‘uh huh’ and other stuff which kept interrupting the flow of what Alex was saying.
      Just let the guest say his stuff, and only interrupt when the guest goes on too long. And if you interrupt, make it clear that you are doing so.
      The ‘uh huh’s’ and ‘yeah’s’ and stuff while someone else is talking is very distracting.
      I know VNN doesn’t have the money to hire ‘coaches’ to coach hosts in every little detail of presentation, so this is my two cents worth to give you something to think about to improve the presentation of an otherwise fine show.
      Thank you

    9. unbeirrbar Says:

      Its called Landtag or Landesparlament of course. Sorry about that. It was pretty late for me that night so bear with me ;)

    10. Kaalkop Says:

      They could start separating Mecklenburg form the rest of Germany, to start a White state.

    11. Geoff Beck Says:

      The broadcast is not without problems, yes I must train myself not to say \”uh\” so much and the IP connection betwee US and Germany was not good that night.

      But, I am much pleased with the content on the broadcast. I think the lessons for American White Nationalists are clear and reinforced in this broadcast: 1) stay true to your core principles, 2) concentrate your efforts in a welcoming locality, 3) and plan for the long term.

      I must also recognize Alex, I respect his opinions and insights.

      Related forum thread: http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=438697#post438697

    12. Olde Dutch Says:

      I really appreciate you trying to bring us up to the minute news from Germany. Unfortunately, the audio quality of last nights’ broadcast wasn’t too good.

      On a political note. Seventeen years of work paying off in 7% of the vote isn’t saying much. Maybe, that is what “alex” was trying to get across to us?

    13. alex Says:

      I enjoyed the show, and thanks to Geoff for taking the time to do the interview. Alex raised several interesting points, all to further Americans’ and other Europeans’ understanding of nationalist approaches in Germany.

      One thing I’d like to hear more on, see clarified is this idea of no one being allowed to live off unearned income. I can see real differences here. I don’t think the state, even if run by fellow ethnics, has any right to step in and seize money that was legally earned by a family. After all, a family that is living in accord with Aryan principles should be earning money above and beyond what is acquired for daily living. If the state is going to seize that money, then the people are essentially the slaves of the government, no matter if ruler and subject be of the same family.

      That is no small point, that is a big point. If an Aryan man succeeds in building up a large store of capital, then that is his to dispose of as he chooses – as long as the laws are in place to see that he does not use that money to endanger the racial family that is the nation. The state seizing that money and using it for its own ends goes way beyond any racial politics I would support.

      Note too the paradox that the state that would eliminate unearned income itself wholly exists on such. Whether it is jews using the power of the state to extract unearned income from the Aryan man to subsidize their brothers in Israel, or whether it is a fellow Aryan lecturing me on the need to pull the plow for Aryans, either way, I get to do the work while the political ruler uses my unearned income to do whatever he chooses with it. Of course, whatever he does with it he’ll claim is in the best interests of the race, but there is no way to guarantee that. Better to leave it to the man who earned it.

      If the laws are in place to ensure that no one can amass money through illegal operations, then income from interest and investments is no less noble than money acquired from digging ditches or any other direct labor.

      Simple fact is, a parasitic overclass is a parasitic overclass. The prevention of the private accumulation of capital is a way to keep the average Aryan powerless. But in fact what we want is a society in which as many Aryans as possible can accumulate large amounts of money and goods. These mean free time to develop arts and culture, the better to advance our race.

      Aryans may need an all-powerful government to liberate our people from the jews and the coloreds they use to attack us, but once this liberation is achieved, political power should be decentralized. With guns and money available to all who need or work for them.

    14. alex Says:

      A state that is of reasonable size and works to preserve the interests of the people has no need to fear them, thus will encourage gun ownership. A state that is a parasite upon the people must live in eternal fear that they’ll discover its nature, and must tend to ban the guns and speech that can be used to topple it. The seizure of unearned income falls into the same category as guns and speech, since undrained capital pools are breeding grounds for competing power centers. Many small and varied states coming together in an Aryan national defensive alliance probably fits White nature best. In that updated version of the original American setup, you can have different ethnic types and geographies encompassed in the most interesting and smoothest-running way. Diversity of races makes for horror; diversity within the Aryan race makes for progress. The Whites of Kentucky are different from the Whites of Utah, and both are different from the Whites of Minnesota. Yet their underlying similarities allow them to get along, where Whites and Blacks and Jews cannot. We do not need to crush White particularity within a one-size-fits all dictatorship. A defensive alliance brandishing nukes against the rest of the world, with individuals owning full machine guns, as in Switzerland – have we these, no one will mess with us. We can develop our arts and sciences, trade with the rest of the world, and live happily ever after.

    15. Scipio Americanus Says:

      “I don’t think the state, even if run by fellow ethnics, has any right to step in and seize money that was legally earned by a family. After all, a family that is living in accord with Aryan principles should be earning money above and beyond what is acquired for daily living.”

      Well stated Alex. I completely agree. This is why you and I are Americans in the true sense of the word. There are differences between Americans and Europeans in a political-economic sense and this is why we broke from our parent — British Empire — in the first place. Europe has always had a much more statist mentality than compared to the United States as envisioned by our Founding Fathers.

      “A state that is of reasonable size and works to preserve the interests of the people has no need to fear them, thus will encourage gun ownership.”

      Superb! Note that the British government disarmed it’s own citizens shortly after WW 1, as did other Europeans countries, long before USZOG came onto the scene. Again, this is the statist mentality that I speak about.

      “Aryans may need an all-powerful government to liberate our people from the jews and the coloreds they use to attack us, but once this liberation is achieved, political power should be decentralized.”

      Yes, sadly I agree with this too. Given our current plight, we will need to have a strong, all powerful government when the time for liberation comes. The big question will be wether we can restore Republican principles and limited government after our liberation. Unfortunately, we have no way of answering that question. One step at a time, I guess, is how we should take things. Thanks for the commentary, Alex.

    16. Shabbos Shabazz Says:

      “Europe has always had a much more statist mentality than compared to the United States as envisioned by our Founding Fathers.”

      They have nothing like the first amendment. How many know the government schools in USA were modeled after the Prussian system?

      Alex seems more Austrian than German.

    17. New America Says:

      One, a technical comment – we should ALL get USB headsets, so the microphone stays the same distance away. SKYPE even has recommendations. As well, when you are drinking it carries very clearly, and if you are opening cellophane for snack food, it carries very clearly. Professionals, like Peter Shank, don’t do that; amateurs, like Al Franken, do, and it shows.

      Two, I agree with alex that the key to success if focused concentration.

      Three, I agree with alex in his points concerning OUR nation, a true homeland for our race.

      That having been said, I commend Alex Linder for allowing a large enough tent for all of us to be heard here, and for focusing VNN on activity – “boots or bullion,” in the words of Doc Schneider, and there is no good reason not to stuff some money, money order, or a check in an envelope and sending it to A. Linder at the address at the bottom of your screen.

      Four, revising and extending Point Three, Covington’s “Northwest Trilogy” lays out an excellent model and philosophy for an NS society in the Northwest – his “Northwest Trilogy” is highly recommended for articulating many of the issues that MUST be addressed in the formation of such a society.

      Five, you made an EXCELLENT point – “Many small and varied states coming together in an Aryan national defensive alliance probably fits White nature best.”

      We can learn a lot from the excellent example of Brigham Young, and, yes, our RACIAL enemies, the JEWS.

      Remember, the JEWS are ALWAYS united in the execution of their One Commandment : “Is It Good For JEWS?” Note the explicitly RACIAL focus in that question, as we would expect from the Asiatic Hive Mind Consciousness that is the JEW.

      Ultimately, Our Race Is Our Nation.

      For NOW, America is our country, but it is only our country because we made it so; when we leave, the Lights of Civilization go OUT, and savage darkness rules the Dark Kingdom.

      The JEWS took this principle to heart, stole from the rest of the world, and created a small country with machine guns all over the place, and atomic weapons.

      When we organized and focused our efforts, we did the impossible – sent men to the Moon, and brought them BACK!

      The key is to FOCUS – “boots or bullion” is an EXCELLENT place to start.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    18. Scipio Americanus Says:

      Incidentally, the term “unearned income” is a Marxist concept! How about pointing this fact out to Alex of Germany? I would love to have heard him squirm a bit as he attempted to refute this fact. To those who do not believe me, please read Marx’s Das Kapital and the Communist Manifesto. Honestly, this kind of thing really gets my blood boiling. I think we as White Nationalists need to be very careful not to allow ourselves to be hoodwinked by this kind of nonsense. Alex of Germany sounds as if he would make a perfect Communist apparatchik.

    19. Geoff Beck Says:

      First and most importantly: to those that have not listened, 98% of the conversation was about electoral politics in Germany, perhaps the other 2% on economics. The stress on one controversial point often derails the comprehensive message of a show or essay.

      With that said, let us not forget contemporary politics and the history Germany and Europe are different than that in the US, and the ideas of Alex are not universally accepted by all Germans. Let me also add that I have met some Germans that have openly scoffed at American ideas of “rugged individualism” and “free market economics,” they view these ideas as only fit for gullible Americans that watch too much TV. Now, of course, not all Germans I’ve met have made such comments.

      I’ll let Alex from Germany explain his ideas, but as a participant in this discussion let me offer two points

      1)
      White Nationalists ought to reconsider incorporation. It seems to me having businesses owned by families – in our context Aryan families – are more desirable than corporate entities. Corporations are given rights as persons, but those persons that comprise the corporation are often held harmless when the business commits crimes. Our ancestors fought hard and repeatedly against the rise of corporations in the country in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The public at large despised corporations.

      2)
      I interpreted Alex’s remark on unearned income as a criticism of usury and international banking processes. In our country, we used to have laws that protected the population from debt enslavement, those laws were recently dismantled and the private debt of Americans has swelled, and so has the decadence of our people. There is no doubt in my mind the current levels of high debt in our society are linked to the system of interest.

    20. Geoff Beck Says:

      BTW,

      *Unearned income* is a Wall Street word to describe money made from securities, like stocks and bonds. Anyone that prepares taxes, is an accountant, or has money invested knows this.

      http://moneycentral.msn.com/taxes/glossary/glossary.asp?TermID=353

    21. sgruber Says:

      The term “unearned income” is used in finance to denote money made from securities, true enough. However, the implication that such money is not earned, but is unearned, is there, and this concept is not logically necessary to economics. It originates from Marx’s distinction between wealth created from physical labor (“earned”) and wealth created not from physical labor (“unearned”). Marx tried to pass off this “factory workers, revolt!” propaganda as economics. And unintellectual or distracted financiers (especially those in government tax agencies) accepted his dubious usage unthinkingly.

      For Marx, a man has a right to his own physical labor but he has no right to sell his physical labor (or time) on his own terms but only on the terms Marx considers “just” (else the man is “exploited”) – meaning of course that the man does not really have a right to his own physical labor at all but only a right to obey the Marxist state. Marx called this the Labor Theory of Value.

      A free market among members of the same racial family is the way to go. The free market is not a universal (inter-racial) principle. What works for tigers does not work for mice. Because man has free will, he can choose to cavort with coons and thus use his capital destructively, and this must not be permitted, since the rest of us, or our posterity, are affected by it – but with this stipulation that it be among themselves, whites must have a free market as they must have free speech. Where would White independence be, without the right to trade guns among ourselves without restriction, for example?

      Let’s all think OUTSIDE the jew frames (Marxism, Capitalism, etc.). Fuck Marx.

    22. Fitz Says:

      Bravo, a great show despite the poor audio quality. Just finished listening, a few thoughts.

      – The NPD’s success is due to it being ideologically consistent and adhering to its principles.

      – It spoke and met the needs of its consituency.

      – It won the confidence of local people and was awarded with some measure of power.

      Unfortunately for Americans, I think we are incapable of persistence and working for long term objectives. Witness this silly bickering about terms in this thread. If a solution comes, it will be from Europe and I would put my money on Germany.

      Good work Geoff Beck and I hope you have Alex on again.

    23. Scipio Americanus Says:

      Geoff Beck: Fair enough. I’m completely open to an honest discussion on the issue. Let us keep in mind the prime objective: a racially aware White public. The political and economic stuff can be sorted out later.

    24. unbeirrbar Says:

      Actually i was myself suprised that Geoff asked me about my views on capitalism since it should solely be a broadcast about the elections in Mecklenburg Vorpommern and the general issue of nationalism in Europe. And since i knew we didnt have much time i only answered very quickly.

      It disheartens me to see people bickering about the 2% of the broadcast instead of discussing the rest of it.

      Anyway i will give it a quick answer again and hopefully this issue will be discussed on another broadcast or forum thread or whatever since it doesnt fit in here.

      It should be obvious that “unearned income” as i quickly mentioned in the broadcast (although i didnt use that wording) is income made by usury. Where a system of expoitive usury ends should also be very obvious to everybody. Not for no reason did National Socialism demand an end to this usury system. That an Aryan would support it goes beyond my understanding.

      I have a fundamentally different view on productive work. For me productive work is a service and a contribution to the community,your Volk. “Unearned income” is mercilessly profiting from the community without having contributed to it. A form of parasitism and totally unaryan.

      Without wanting to add deliberatly additional controversy over the issue of Marx i actually recommend people do read Marx’s “Das Kapital” since all his predictions and views about the trasnformation of capitalism have been confirmed today. What Marx was poor at was giving solutions to the problem, but hey thats why we are here.

      Anyway i hope that the rest of the posts from now on will concentrate on the actual issues of the broadcast and do not become a playground of capitalists and free market fanatics defending their precious usury system from a “communist apparatchik”.

    25. Scipio Americanus Says:

      “However, the implication that such money is not earned, but is unearned, is there, and this concept is not logically necessary to economics. It originates from Marx’s distinction between wealth created from physical labor (”earned”) and wealth created not from physical labor (”unearned”).”

      Sgruber, well stated. That was the point I was making — its origins are Marxist and has been thoughtlessly adopted by those who are not. Nevertheless, words matter and its important to point these things out!

      “Unfortunately for Americans, I think we are incapable of persistence and working for long term objectives. Witness this silly bickering about terms in this thread.”

      Fitz, there is nothing “silly” about discussing this issue. Over 100 million people have been murdered by these ideas in the 20th Century alone! I think it is very important that we know who we are talking to. My “communist apparatchik” remark was not an ad hominem attack against Alex from Germany. You must keep in mind that there are unscrupulous and amoral people who will pass themselves off as one of us. When I hear certain Marxist catch phrases, my ears perk up. The point I’m trying to make is that Marxists are degenerates and character matters! Alex from Germany may not be a Marxist. Then again, maybe he’s sporting a hammer and sickle tattoo on his left bicep. Who knows? All I’m saying is that we need to be careful about these things and should always use words with precision. Clarity is damn important.

    26. Scipio Americanus Says:

      “It disheartens me to see people bickering about the 2% of the broadcast instead of discussing the rest of it.”

      Unbeirrbar, don’t be disheartened. We are only discussing ideas. Keep in mind, we share the same fundamental outlook on life: nationalism and an increasing racial awareness of our people. Incidentally, congratulations on your success. Although, I will be far more impressed if this kind of thing occurs in what used to be known as West Germany. Nevertheless, this is a start and hopefully a harbinger of things to come. Please accept my best wishes with future success.

    27. Bavarian Gauleiter Says:

      Ausgezeichnet, Alex from Germany & keep up the good work Geoff! (please work on the audio/microphone issues, we could hear Alex breathing. maybe do a test run for several minutes, record and playback to examine the quality?)

      On the rest of the issues raised above, I still see that some of us still believe myths about NS germany and dictatorships in general. The most important being the misunderstanding of NS politics and economy. Please don’t let the spirit of “I don’t like anyone telling me what to do” lead you to build a house on a foundation of sand. Some people called the dislike of usury or other forms of exploitation “Marxist”. I would say a trend to say “fuck you, I’ll do what I want, even if it screws people over” is “Anarchist”.

      The American model of how a society should be organized politically and economically has shown itself to be a failure. The German NS model showed itself to work both economically and socially. It was defeated by military force but was never defeated ideologically, politically or economically. It did not implode due to its own stupidity and subversion like the US and the UK are doing.

      Let me give an example to make something very clear… there is nothing magical about “local authority” vs a “national authority”. The Founding Fathers said we ALL had a right to bear arms. This is universal or actually national (given the narrow confines of physical borders), and should be observed. But what has happened? The local authorities — read US states — can and do keep their inhabitants from carrying guns. It wasn’t the federal government that told them they had to, they decided and enacted these laws themselves. Now how the hell is that possible? We have a document — the Constitution — that is supposed to be a universal charter and agreement about basic rights for ALL people, yet the local authorities in your state or city can trump that. That is bullshit. The local authorities should be able to do whatever they on trivial legal matters that have not already been agreed to nationally in the form of a Constitution or other such charter.

      The myths about NS policy regarding private ownership of guns has already been dispelled and one can even find proof that NS ecomomy was a free enterprise system on anti-Hitler channels like The History Channel. An example of the latter was the “F” companies competing for aircraft sales. Regarding gun control in the Third Reich, General Otto Ernst Remer explained in his noontidepress.com interview how everyone who had personal contact with Hitler was not searched for a gun and were even allowed to carry guns in a holster or even in hand when they met the leader as late as July, 1944. Do you think our AmeriKwan government can even compare with such a policy with its current overemphasis on “security”?

      Anyway, where we all agree is that the kikes have to be beaten and we have to have our own whites-only nations again. Until that’s accomplished, all this discussion by people who aren’t real experts on the subject — including myself — about how society should be organized is just building castles in the sky as Dr Pierce used to say.

      88

    28. Scipio Americanus Says:

      “The American model of how a society should be organized politically and economically has shown itself to be a failure. The German NS model showed itself to work both economically and socially. It was defeated by military force but was never defeated ideologically, politically or economically. It did not implode due to its own stupidity and subversion like the US and the UK are doing.”

      I actually agree with you on this point. That is a historically proven fact. But do not mistake my antipathy of Marxist/Communist tenets with Germany’s NS model, something I hold in the highest regard. The German NS experiment was unique to Germany, as Adolf Hitler stated in his private conversations, and was not something for export. NS Germany had the advantage of being a real nation filled with enormously intelligent, moral and productive people and was led by an honest government that was headed by an honest man. Whether we could reproduce something like that here in the United States is the question.

      Incidentally, we should not confuse “free enterprise” (something I support) with “capitalism” (something which I abhor). For the record, I am well aware of the remarkable success of the NS German economic/political model. We should most definitely study it and determine which parts of it would fit us as Americans, as distinct from Germans of the Third Reich. The key point is the re-establishment of a racial/nationalist ethos. That, I think, we can all agree on, regardless of our differences if political and economic philosophy.

      “Let me give an example to make something very clear… there is nothing magical about “local authority” vs a “national authority”. ”

      Actually, I agree with this too! (Does that make me a closet NS? LOL!) It matters not whether my rights are infringed by a local tyrant or a national one. My concern regarding all-powerful government, regardless of the type, rests on the sordid facts of history that have demonstrated the absolute corrupting influence that power itself has on those who wield it. We can agree that the NS German government of the Third Reich was honest and had the best interests of their people at heart. No question about this. But how long would it have remained honest, after Hitler’s passing, is the most important question. This is something we cannot answer but only speculate. To be sure, though, what we all can agree on is the fact that NS Germany’s defeat at the hands of the Jewish led herds of stupid Americans and British boobs was a disaster not only Germans but for all nations of the West. PS: I think everyone partaking in this discussion has alot more to say on the subject of organizing a society than the so called “experts”. Thanks for the input, Bavarian Gauleiter!

    29. BCB Says:

      I have spoken publicly at rally’s twice for the NSM. I would be honored if I could speak with you guys on Free Talk Live about the Jewish domination, the new Jew order and how we are not the hate. I may not be the best speaker but I would certainly love the chance to express my Aryan beliefs and how I am laid off. I look down the street and see a bunch of Mexicans doing the work that I’d be willing to do. And also, how the few control the many, how this country has turned into a communistic cesspool for the Jews and how it breaks my heart plus I am worried for my daughters future. It’s like this, a speeding train is coming for us and we are like deer staring at the headlight coming closer and closer towards our demise. The white race is becoming extinct, and extinction is forever.

      Thank you,
      Best regards,
      Blue Collar

    30. Briseis Says:

      I heard GB on an old freetalklive, he said he was looking for Jew music- the musical “genre” he is looking for is called “Klezmer”
      …Lime wire (file-sharing client) is pretty good- if he wants the pro version , tell him to PM me, and I will email it to him or put it on rapidshare.de