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1. alex Says:
   10 January, 2007 at 10:20 pm

   Why Pedophilia Is Wrong
   Something You Can’t Say On Stormfront

   1/10/2007 8:01:19 PM
   Discuss this story in the forum
   Bill White

   Commentary — I don’t like following commentary with commentary, but it seems, from reading Stormfront and VNN, that a lot of white activists have forgotten why pedophilia is wrong. The fact that Stormfront no longer allows white activists to say pedophilia is wrong is a factor in this — once Stormfront activists have been accused of molesting children, they suddenly come up with gay rights style pedophilia arguments that would make most adults blush — but the bigger factor seems to me that too many people have been let into white nationalism without any sort of ideological training or requirement. It is for this reason that organizations like Stormfront, in principle, are inadequate.

   First, there is the racist “Constitutionalist” or libertarian argument that “ZOG” or “the government” should not be allowed to interfere with the “rights” of people to view child porn. Such an argument is as Jewish as libertarianism and the Free Masonry that led to the founding of the Constitution. Those who would like a list of the Jewish originators of libertarianism and Constitutionalism I refer to the October 2006 and January 2007 issues of National Socialist magazine. Suffice to say that National Socialism posits that the good of society limits the behavior of the individual — if what the individual is doing is not good for society, than the government can prohibit it. The idea that individuals have the “right” to harm society is not even a factor in National Socialist thinking.

   The second argument is that sexual attraction to young post-pubescent girls is natural. I agree that it is. What I mean is that sexually developed teenage girls are attractive. That does not imply that it is “right” or “normal” to have sex with them, or to sexually exploit them. The shame is that so many allegedly “white” activists have fallen into the trap of biological positivism that they believe any animal impulse they have is somehow “natural” and “good”. The Traditionalist knows this is not true.

   What differentiates man from animal, and white man from Negro, is the ability to control the animal impulse. Tradition demands that, to achieve transcendence, man learn to subjugate his animal drives. Islam demands this as well. It is also a shame that so many white activists are ignorant of Islam.

   The National Socialist does not ask whether or not man has an animal drive to do something. When I get angry, I may have an animal drive to kill people – - but this does not mean that society should allow me to do so. Again, the question is “what is good for society?”. Is it good for society to let men sexually prey on women? I would argue no.

   The reason it is illegal in civilized societies (though it is legal in many modern Judaized white societies) to have sex with sexually developed teenagers — which is not what we’re discussing when we talk about Kevin Strom — is that such sexual relationships hurt the teenager — if not physically, then mentally. Before I married, I dated girls that were much younger than me, and I have dated woman older than me as well. There is a huge difference in maturity between a woman of twenty and one of thirty — and, similarly, there is an even greater difference in maturity between a girl of twelve and one of twenty. Society has set an arbitrary age — eighteen — as an average of when women are capable of handling being hurt in abusive relationships with men much older than them. Sometimes that it right, sometimes its not. Its not perfect, but it does represent something more than an arbitrary social more.

   Society has determined that the consequences of allowing psychologically harmful sexual relationships between adults and teens are sufficiently negative to ban such behavior. For the National Socialist, that is enough. It may not be perfect, and perhaps such laws can be improved, but in terms of the regulation of sexual relationships, its is adequate. Grown adults cannot have sexual relationships with teenagers until those teenagers have explored themselves enough with other teenagers to hopefully be capable of it.

   The sexual attraction to very young and / or sexually underdeveloped teenagers is somewhat different. It is abnormal. Because these women are not fully developed sexually, they are not natural objects for attraction. For this reason, sexual attraction to sexually underdeveloped women is a perversion of the sexual instinct (a misidrection of it towards improper ends) comparable to homosexuality. When discussing Kevin Strom and his “nymphettes”, this is the kind of perversion we are discussing.

   As to child pornography, such an industry and a business is separate from the question of sexual relationships. In a National Socialist society, most, if not all, profit from sexual activity is and should be banned, because profitting from sexual activity is another form of profitting without producing, comparable to usury, and typifies the parasitical economic activity of the Jew.

   The Stormfront types ridicule us National Socialists, but we understand why we believe the things we do. We have an ideology, and it is socialist. It is not a hodge podge of half understood “Americanism”. It is a modern ideology of “democracy” and “civil rights”. It is an ideology for the economic, social and political organization of society that it superior to democracy — and it allows us to answer all those questions that become muddled in the morass of modern morality.

   Pornography is wrong because it is harmful and exploitative of women. By “pornography”, I do not mean amatuer photographs taken among consenting adults and shared among friends. I mean the industry of pornography — the systematic exploitation of women as a sexual resource. The essence of pornography is the successive and intensive degradation of women in order to achieve greater and greater sensation. This generally ends in the violent humiliation and / or murder or abuse of women.

   The sexual urge is closely related to the urge for violence. Both are animal in nature, and reflect the lower element of the human being. They are base urges that often have pure physical stimulus as their end. The trouble with physical stimulus is that all stimuli are ultimately unsatisfying when they are repeated and become commonplace. Thus, frequent sexual intercourse, regardless of the attraction or desirability of the partner, always becomes routine on a physical level. Without some transcendent attachment or purpose, the individual cannot find fulfillment in sexual activity.

   Because of this, those individuals who lack a transcendent element to their personality constantly seek stronger and stronger stimuli, leading to the development of the perversions. In most human beings, such “perversions” are minor — oral, perhaps anal sex, matched with occassional infidelity, et cetera. Such are the failings of man. However, for those few individuals who are particularly lacking in their souls, more and more intense stimulation, often paired with the violent urge and the desire to hurt and humiliate, enter. From this urge comes inter-racial sex, pedophilia, homosexuality, sado- masochism, animal sex, and a wide variety of fetishes — particularly in their manifestation as pornography. While the individual may have a perversion not linked to a desire to hurt, the desire to see others engage in a perversion which one knows they do not share by their nature is always a desire to humilitate them by “forcing” them into the sick world of the viewer.

   The fact of this slippery slope of materialism has been obscured by the numerous sexual deviant lobbies active in the United States. There is nothing wrong with wanting to see women undressed and wanting to have sex with them. Infidelity and most heterosexual “perversions” are not always advisable, but are also not unnatural. Even the consumption of heterosexual pornography is not particularly blame worthy — one cannot blame men for falling into temptation. But the production of pornography of any sort is always blameworthy, as the pornographer is forced by the need for profit to increase the theme of degradation in his work in order to satisfy the urges of his consumer, and the subject is often forced into perversion they do not share by the need for money. Thus all manufacture of pornography is wrong.

   In Kevin Alfred Strom’s case, Kevin has exhibited a desire to harm others through covert and passive aggressive means through the entire time I have observed and dealt with him. He has always been a “wimp” and a social outcast, when dealt with in person, and he has always sought revenge on normal, heterosexual males, whom he find intimidating and threatening, through “girlish” means of backstabbing, gossip mongering, and character assasination. Similarly, his fetish for young girls clearly comes from their “non-threatening” posture towards him — unlike the big tough men who scare and intimidate him, young girls seem innocent and safe. What Strom couldn’t see — just as his role model Humbert Humbert couldn’t see — is that, in attempting to possess the innocence of the young girl, he harmed the young girl, and thus made himself complicit in the process of acculturing the girl into modernism that produced the adults he so despised.

   Pedophilia, in its innocent form — in the unacted on sexual desire for children — is pitiable. In its acted on form of child pornography, it is deplorable, because it becomes mixed with the compulsion of the child into unwanted sexual activity — something which a healthy society views as wrong, whether the victim is child or adult. The kind of child sex Strom was involved in is the kind that his companion Downing has been accused of engaging in — the forced prostitution of young teen and pre-teen girls — and such prostitution and rape is the natural result of the demands of pedophilia and pornography.

   As to leaders in general, regardless of the normality of sexual desires, leaders must hold themselves to a higher standard than the average plebian. In a caste society — a society understood by both National Socialism and Tradition, but alien to the democratic, libertarian, and ultimately Jewish spirit of Stormfront — the higher one’s caste, and the more one is entrusted with the good of society, the more responsibility is demanded. I have written before on this subject in the discussion of Taboo. It is typical for the Brahmin caste to willing take on Taboos — laws restricting their behavior — for the good or perceived good of society. While such Taboos in some societies can be irrational or only symbolically related to the intended result, in modern society Taboos should be either important reminders of principle, or functional restrictions on the behaviors of trusted members of society. For instance, I do not eat meat as a reminder of the dual obligation to preserve healthy life and to take the life of the unhealthy. Similarly, the leadership caste cannot be allowed to express even “healthy” sexual desires, when such desires are harmful to the group, either because of public perception or because of actual disruption — David Duke’s infamous romances with the wives and girlfriends of his supporters being an excellent example of “normal” sexual urges which are harmful to the group, and thus become “abnormal” and subject to condemnation.

   It is sad that I have to take time to write an essay to remind white activists of why something as naturally revulsive as pedophilia is wrong. Most adults understand what I have said above without having to have any consicous understanding of it. A revulsion for child sex is built into the human constitution. Unfortunately, it is the misdirected and ideologically vapid work of the intellect that overturns the natural taboos of the human being. In a way, it is Strom’s own ability to reason over his natural inhibitions that has lead to his demise — and the complicity of so many of his associates and his followers.

   The volkish approach to society and morality is the inversion of the intellectual approach. Rather than use the intellect to attack taboos — and to attack the human nature — the volkish approach is to use the intellect to understand and reinforce such natural limitations.

   It is time for the white movement to abandoned the political perversions of “populism”, “Constitutionalism”, “racial realism” and the other doctrines of the reactionaries, and to return to a National Socialist and volkish worldview. National Socialist don’t have to debate why child pornography is wrong — we simply shoot the offenders. And that simpler, more natural world view is what America needs right now.

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2. Anchorage Activist Says:
   10 January, 2007 at 10:29 pm

   I think the reason so many Stormfronters (and even some VNN posters) are reluctant to dissociate themselves from Strom is because so many WN figures have been railroaded or at least economically victimized because of their politics. The names Dan Schildhauer, Chester Doles, and Shaun Walker come to mind. As a result, many people instinctively default to the “victim” mode in Strom’s case without reviewing it in depth.

   However, notwithstanding the rhetoric, people need to look at the big picture here. There have been rumblings about this for a long time. Bill White first reported on Strom’s eccentricities as early as 2003. And while White can be a bit bombastic and hyperbolic at times, he got it right about the Vinlanders. Look at the Vinlanders’ site and you’ll see they’ve officially declared themselves out of the race business. White exposed the Vinlanders as using white nationalism merely as protective cover to “break shit with the hooligans” (their rhetoric, not mine).

   I’d hate to see Stormfront go down, though. Too many people canot handle the strong meat of VNN straight up – they need the skim milk of Stormfront to suckle upon to build up the intellectual strength to handle VNN’s full-throttle racialism. But many people have graduated from Stormfront Elementary to VNN High. Stormfront is worth saving, albeit in different form.

   I blogged aggressively in support of Shaun Walker when he was railroaded. I have yet to post anything regarding Strom. I don’t get the same feeling about Strom that I did about Walker.

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3. Jim Says:
   10 January, 2007 at 10:47 pm

   “National Socialist don’t have to debate why child pornography is wrong — we simply shoot the offenders. And that simpler, more natural world view is what America needs right now.”

   AMEN.

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4. New America Says:
   10 January, 2007 at 11:06 pm

   The Internet is forcing transparency on all manner of organizations, while rendering them gradually, and certainly, irrelevant.

   The WN “Movement/Cause” has gone from tactily support for such “leaders” as we have had, simply because that was all we could attract. Thus, the void was filled by “leaders” of dramatically varying quality, in different areas. With Pierce, we get lucky; with Strom, well…

   The Internet is forcing a QUALITATIVE shift upwards; with it, we get Alex Linder’s message without the capital burden the Carto newspaper required to get it, we get Bill White reforming and developing a true national socialist perspective, and building a real organization with transparency on all fronts. and we get Peter Shank’s creatively correct analytical perspective on daily news, Harold Covington’s “Northwest Republic,” and Bob Whitaker’s brilliant mindset for new formulations.

   Strom’s day was pre-Internet; now, such skills as he offered are being developed INDEPENDENTLY, and offered FREELY, to the WN Community, by a wide range of people with no need to keep secrets.

   This is what Linder and White understand, and STORMFRONT, in its current incarnation, can not afford to accept – hierarchical organizations are being flattened, and “leadership” is developing quickly, as needed, where needed, and then, returns to their daily lives.

   Those who seek leadership POSITIONS must prove they are responsible, first and foremost, to the IDEALS they claim to support; then, transparency allows all of the supporters to come together AS MUCH AS IS NEEDED, creating a synthetic organization, and then move forward.

   We see this in Alex Linder, in Peter Shank, in Edgar Steele, in Bob Whitaker, and in Bill White.

   We DON’T see it in STORMFRONT.

   There’s a reason for that.

   I think that’s why people will be turning from STORMFRONT to VNN, Overthrow, and Harold Covington, and quickly; the issues have crystallized from WHAT (organization) do you trust, to WHAT you believe, and how strongly you believe it.

   If you want the cold, hard, truth, straight on without apology, you want VNN – but this will call forth a certain degree of responsibility from you.

   If you want to blame someone else for your choice of impotence, and want to join with like-minded souls, choose the safe, slowly fading campfire of STORMFRONT. As the light of their campfire fades, and you look for a new, stronger, brighter light, look to our campfire, and don’t worry.

   When you are ready to face the cold, hard truth, come to VNN, where we will focus SOLELY on the cold, hard truth, and nothing else. Don’t be shy, and remember: we’ll be waiting for you.

   New America

   An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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5. jimbo Says:
   10 January, 2007 at 11:46 pm

   EXCELLENT ARTICLE! by Herr Linder: re: pædolphilia and the rôle of the National Socialist state.

   a small addenda: because of the healthy & beneficient character of National Socialism (due largely to the excision of sinister jewish socio-political/socio-economic and cultural influence) we may well speculate that such perversions as paedophilia (while, like homosexuality, having always existed in a smallish way) were kept to a bare minimum!

   WRT Mr Strom: i cannot comment on the allegations vrs people, including Alex, have made against him. I know virtually nothing of the man; except for a few odds ‘n’ sods that i have read abt him here & there: in particular: rfrncs from Robert Griffin’s ‘biography’ of Dr William Pierce and, of course, a few of his ADV broadcasts!

   I do know that his first marriage was basically shattered and he lost custody of his kids courtesy of the ADL or sumthin’…..that’s according to ‘Kievsky’ from ‘a special broadcast’ late last year!

   However: WRT allegations of ‘paedophilia’ in general: especially when being levelled against OTW white, hetero-sexual males, i would urge EXTREME CAUTION!.

   Often: the evidence for such ‘charges’ is very slim indeed and involves little more than hear-say and un-corroborated allegations.

   This is currently the case in Oz!

   FAR TOO MANY DECENT WHITE MEN are being accused of this heinous crime when, as informed WNs are doubtless aware, the LION’s SHARE of this despicable offence is committed NOT by white, hetero-sexual males but by niggas, jews and fags!

   The rules of evidence WRT such ‘offences’ & the standard investigative police procedures have been altered to such an extent that a CONVICTION for such an offence is almost a certainty: add to that the ‘emotional impact’ on a jury of an accused white man being presented on such a charge (after years of jewsmedia ‘beat up’) and the prospect of ‘a fair trial’ is slim indeed!

   For an ‘offence’ now attracting penalties comparable to the most serious crimes: apropos, even, capital offences: this would seem to be counter-intuitive to say the least.

   In such circumstances, a regime of wide-ranging, strict and well-enforced INADMISSABILITY of all but the MOST COGENT, CONVINCING and ‘FAIR PROCESS’ evidence would seem appropriate!

   AFA the possession of ‘child pornography’ is concerned: the presence of purported images on a computer HDD seems to me to be very dubious ‘evidence’ indeed: especially if there are less than a hand-ful of such ‘pics’

   It is possible for emails with pornographic attachments to be sent to an un-suspecting recipient: for those emails and attachments to be opened and for the said attachments to be deleted except: of course: an image or file is NOT DELETED from a HDD except by a complicated ‘disk washing’ process!

   As such: the presence of said images/files would doubtless constitute ‘evidence’ as ZOG sees it!

   FAR TOO EASY for some-one to be ‘set up’ by such a method: then: of course: we have ‘trojan horses’: which can insert material on to a HDD unbeknowenst to the owner: and: once again: sufficient evidence for ZOG to lay a ‘charge’ of child pornography!

   PERSONALLY, i would ONLY be CONVINCED that some-one was a serious child pornographer IF said person possessed SEVERAL magazines and/or CDs of such material and IF such material could be pretty much clearly attributed to the suspect in question!

   I hope to be able to contribute to the coming FTL WRT this matter and WRT the current situation in Oz….time differences permitting!

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6. Billybob Says:
   11 January, 2007 at 12:50 am

   Bill White notes,

   “The arguments being made — that viewing child porn is okay, that sexual attraction to twelve year old girls is okay, et cetera, are sickening and irrational. They are turning many people’s stomachs.”

   White is quite right in many of his assertions, conclusions, and predictions.

   I’ve noticed that a common tactic in the irrational defense of pedophilia and child porn on the Vnnforum has been to purposefully “confuse” the issues being discussed.

   They are twisting and distorting the issues every which way but loose in an attempt to justify the grotesque behaviour of child-molesters and child-porn freaks. This sexually immoral behaviour is culturally and religiously Jewish to the core and it really makes one wonder how so many defenders of this type of Jewish perversion can call themselves white folks.

   It’s definately a good time to discuss, define, and defend our commonly held Aryan views on what constitutes acceptable sexuality.

   Are White-Nationalists pro-Homo, like the Jews?

   Are we in Agreement with the current age of consents laws being set at 18 years of age?

   Or do we want them lowered to 9 or 10 years old, like the Jews want and are pushing for right now?

   Are we pro-monogamy? pro-polygamy? pro-prostitution?

   The Jews are normalizing sexual perversion in America as we speak.

   In light of the Strom case, wouldn’t it be an Ideal time to step up to the plate and start condemning the Jewish Normalization of sexual perversion?

   Wouldn’t now be a good time to proclaim what commonly accepted Aryan values are pertaining to healthy and wholesome sexuality?

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7. Dudeman Says:
   11 January, 2007 at 1:16 am

   Yeah, seems a bit shady to me. If the guys a ped we’ll call him out and extricate him from the movement and all those that are of like ilk. I am not naive enough to jump on the VNN bandwagon just cause it’s leader tells me too. In fact, I listen to none of the shit that comes out of White’s mouth. We do more damage to our cause by killing the whole organization that stormfront has become in acting this way, which is wrong. And I say that as someone that hardly ever visits that site. But I do side with the NSM crowd in that we should see where it goes, eliminate the freaks and move on. We need all the (healthy) help we can get towards our ends.

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8. fdtwainth Says:
   11 January, 2007 at 4:29 am

   Excellent commentary from the NS perspective, and fully in compliance with NS ideology.

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9. eNZedBlue Says:
   11 January, 2007 at 4:47 am

   Stromfront.

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10. The Sangha Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 5:54 am

    2 of my posts at Stormfront were deleted for criticizing the reaction to this news… the way members are in denial about this. I am shocked to say the least at how people can rationalize and deny within this movement.

    Overthrow.com by far has given the best coverage.

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11. reo Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 8:13 am

    The only thing I’m sure of in all this is that the Yanks are tearing themselves apart with infighting.
    Pity all the personal rivalry can’t be solved with pistols at dawn.

    Can a nonauthoritatrian race beat an authoritarian one?
    This is the question.

    The Jews today seem to have the infighting down to a minimum, at least when it comes to dealing with outside threats. They did fight among themselves when the Romans laid seige to Jerusalem.

    Today the roles are reversed. The Whites search for a Messiah and fight among themselves in a Jewish imperium.

    I would not take the state paedohysteria stuff into consideration.

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12. furnandloathinginDFW Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 8:46 am

    I dunno… and this might be naive and simplistic but, it seems to me that reports of internet pedophelia are SO increasingly prevalent, you’de swear every man with a computer had child smut on his hardrive or were actively trying to get teen girls to meet them for sex.

    What better way to convince us to give up our free internet, than to use our own Christian belief in the immorality of pedophilia and the apparent rampant problem we have with it against us?

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13. MIKEY Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 8:52 am

    i always felt with his voice being so weak, that Kevin Strom, had gay feelings. He may not be guilty, but you need a person with backbone
    like Alex Linder or Hal Turner to run your organization, not weak people like Strom who has always approached the Jew attack of America, with a womanly approach.
    National Vanguard will be around forever, because the Jew does not even consider them a threat.

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14. R CROSS Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 9:06 am

    One should not judge too hastily, it is the simplest thing in the world to plant incriminating “evidence” on someones pc,zog has many ways of discrediting nationalists,with our idiology would any paedophile join a party that would execute him without remorse.something smells!

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15. Jew York Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 10:13 am

    Bill White is an opportunist. He’s seizing trom fiasco for his on ends. Look, i don’t need someone to tell me what’s right. Especially from bill white who was an ex-Bolshevik.

    I’m not defending strom. Obviously strom was just a broadcaster, a boy-messenger. I never looked at him as a leader, rather an eccentric person who enjoyed being in the limelight.

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16. Devere Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 11:11 am

    My overall view on this subject:

    WN’s who commit acts of pedophilia: Punishment: Hanging for rape or pimping. Castration for all other offenses.

    What are acts of pedophilia: molestation, rape, taking/making pornographic pictures of children, distribution of such pictures, pimping children.

    Looking at pictures: This is a thought crime. Aryans don’t criminally punish thought crimes. Putting someone in prison for 30 years or hanging him for this is ridiculous. There are heavy non-criminal penalties short of imprisonment in the kwa gulag (often a death sentence for a WN) that are availaible and appropriate: Child porn picture lookers should be expelled from any WN leadership positions, expelled from any WN organization for life, ostracized and shunned by all WN’s for life.

    Recommendation to all WN’s: Do NOT look at porn. Period. Reasons: It’s boring after one or two minutes. It desensitizes you to normal sex with a real life woman. It reduces women psychologically for you down to cunts and tits and interferes with your ability to view women as complete human beings. It uses up your time and life on a useless self-injurious and possibly addictive activity. It fills your mind with distracting garbage images that interfere with your ability to focus the full clear attention of your mind on what’s important.

    And I would like us to consider the following proposal. This may sound shocking to those of you who are porn addicts — so sit down and hold on tight to your keyboard:

    Because of the serious negative impact of porn in general on the human mind, I think we need to eliminate it from White Nationalism, if possible. Again, I don’t think criminalization is appropriate, because porn looking is thought, not direct injurious actions against a victim. But to eliminate porn from White Nationalism, I think any WN who looks at any type of porn should be expelled from any WN leadership positions, expelled from any WN organization for life, ostracized and shunned by all WN’s for life.

    That latter position may seem extreme to those of you who are porn addicts. But it is for your own good and the good of White Nationalism. This is the cleanest way to deal with this entire despicable subject. I think we as WN’s need to begin to counter the jew pollution of our society with their porn. Porn is simply anti-Aryan and injures White Nationalism at many levels. Let’s oust porn and all pornographers and porn addicts from our ranks.

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17. Mati The Estonian Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 11:59 am

    OK I can live with “easy” Duke-dude. Promiscuity is not big problem if there is 2 consenting adults involved. Its not allways good when third (fourth etc) person(s) are involved but the marker world is – “consenting adults”.
    What comes to pedophilia then this is really only ONE stand – it wrong. I dont argue – little girls and boys looking good, cute and are lovebale but not sexually. In the world we have 3 kind of people (world I mean white world – muds, kikes have different world) child, woman and men. Men and woman MAKES babies not fuck them – PERIOD.
    I live in Estonia – so details about David’s “clintonism” and Kevins’s pedophilia is for me hearsey. I bealive storys like that but NEVER give them 100% credability. Unless I PERSONALLY catch them doing whatever they do. I was working as a police officer 1985-99 in SOVIET militia, mostly in duties like SecretService in US. We had soviet style very board mandate to go and investigate whatever we needed or feeled we liked to do. Up to the point it did NOT include soviet higher establishment. Sometimes we did stuff what is not illegal in democratic countrys. We plant evidence or even sometimes ignored it. My “excuse” is that – I did not call the shots – I was “just” a apprentice. When 1991 soviets fell (and before) I did start understand more about soviet system. Whay and by hom it was built. My father was a “eye opener”. I joined to estonian nationalist movement (in incognito thru my father – considering my post) and have been with them ever since.
    So I better then most of You guys I now and understand evidence and how one can plant and manufacture them. I am not will take a stance is the Kevin innocent or not, He is closer to You and it must be done with You.

    But I will take a stance about UNITY of white people in US. Mostly You are like bunce a school kids. Forming YOU OWN little groups and “rings”. What will takes You to understand prime point in our movement and this is UNITY. You dont like Kevin – fine. You dont like David – fine, you dont like Alex – fine. But the thing is – ITS NOT FINE. You must overcome you petty differnces and unite in to one big movement. If You have strong organisation then you have responsibility to CLEAN IT UP. If you catch Kevin fucking kids – down whit him, if youy catch David fucking around tell him to “clean” up or leave and stay down if he has ANY considerations about white people.
    What I like in David – unfortunately never seen Alex in action – no books, no publicity – so if You guys can help me out in this (few links or something) that would be great – is Davids mannerism in public. He looks like a guy like we all must be. Well spoken, nice manners, watched language and nice look.
    Unfortunate matters in this world are like the are – jews run the world 8at least the part we are in) and we have NO chane to oust them if we dont do few things.

    1. Clean up our act and get education/information.
    Yeah its cool to watch beer drinking and swearing skins – “yeah cool movement is running”. But in reality its sickening. Imagine if instead of 20-30 beerbellied guys half drunken swearingmoving around the city (I have seen that in Europe) instead of 20-30 guys sober as fighter pilots moving in rows like army parade and can actively TALK down every mud and kike and liberal they encounter.
    2. Go to the masses.
    Instead of friday night sitting with “buddies” in the beercellar and talking “white” go to EVERY bloody community event You can find. Do it in many levels, 1 group handing flyers and/or other materials, second group will talk. Just talk with people – give them a reason to doupt – about ZOG, about kikes, about other things we now we need to talk with people. And we must start understand that WE allready now the kikes involment in wolrd affairs but most other whites do not now that. So we need start talking with THEY language. When world will collapse they will remember what WE told them and they will come to us. When life is relatively nice most of those brainwashed whites will never be sympatethic to our caus whatever we do. But if we talk about world things they my not remember those thing constantly but they WILL BE INSIDE THEY BRAINS.

    PS. I liked to have conversation with Craig Cobb. I have email address in the webpage thru the link in this post header. In the ways he is acting in Estonia is kind of not very nice. He must understand that ALL his actions will go thru “prism” Estonian jewish press and will be hurtful to white and national cause. He must remember that if he is “real thing”.

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18. Dudeman Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 12:31 pm

    Jew York I hear ya. Like I’m supposed to buy what some former anarchist commie says? No thanks.

    Let’s face it, we are not going to stop degenerates from infiltrating our organizations, that includes even this one. The best we can do is expose them when they are caught and exclude them then. Otherwise we get off on this finger pointing shit and to tell you the truth when that happens, fuck it, a lot of us are done with it. Cause it’s just a bunch of pointless bullshit and you don’t know who to believe about what. This is another reason why meeting your colleagues in person is a good thing to weed out the bad elements.

    I understand why an organization would want to consolidate power by destroying another organization (to get its members). But it’s not in the best interest of the average joe white guy out here, who at this junture, needs as many sources as possible to get out our common message(s).

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19. Steve B Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 1:00 pm

    I doubt that Bill White wrote the followup commentary titled “Why Pedophilia Is Wrong”. It’s too lucid and well thought out and doesnt contain the usual gossip, mudslinging and me me me that ‘bitch tits is so well known for. Not only that, the writing style is completely different than the first, (Stormfront Will Eat Itself) which is all Bill.

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20. Olde Dutch Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 1:06 pm

    Be Careful Young Alex. The last time you got into bed with Bill White, you were able to get it out, after he broke it off in you. This time you may not be so lucky.

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21. Jew York Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 1:36 pm

    It takes two to tango. Bill white v Strom.

    It takes two to tango: Bill white v Strom.

    “…the astonishing truth is that any given mirror neuron will also fire when the monkey in question observes another monkey (or experimenter performing the same action), e.g., tasting a peanut!”

    I think Strom is just one piece of the puzzle of a failed NA ect. Alex Linder who knew them on a personal level has every right to ridicule Strom and the rest who were nothing but thugs to begin with. Also, spouting Cointenpro served as a cover for their greed and BS.

    In these confusion times, it’s imperative that we be jurors than merely spectators. We don’t need teachers that coerces or inspires. But the one that teaches” for our survival.

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22. 131488WOLF131488 Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 1:49 pm

    “Innocent until proven guilty”??? I’d agree with “jew york’ on this. When you don’t like someone in the first place, I guess it’s easy to kick him when he’s down.

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23. Dave Jones Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 2:30 pm

    Can’t believe your posting anything by congenital liar agent provocateur your taxes provide a hefty chunk of my income crypto kike Bill Weiss.

    If strom is guilty let him hang, I wont loose sleep, but to involve the likes of Duke and SF makes no sense unless my suspicion that this is just penis envy on Weiss’ part be true. If by thier fruits ye shall know them then Dukes active international commitment is beyond question whilst Weiss is just a piss poor looser in every respect but maybe one of his highly satisfied brimming with gratitude section 8 tenants will solve the irritation for us some day.

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24. Angle Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 2:50 pm

    Good call, Devere. But the one thing that comes to mind is that someone like Bill White should presume to cast judgement. I think that pornography should be considered socially unacceptable garbage, and would like its creation and distribution minimized. Yes men should be in charge, but the quality of their leadership is to a large degree measured by the respect granted the fairer sex. Aryans appreciate beauty, kikes defile it. Porn is an act of sabotage on female beauty. Clearly the issue is rife with hypocrites (to be expected). Nearly every adult has seen porn. its merely a question of how much and how often.

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25. alex Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 2:53 pm

    Be Careful Young Alex. The last time you got into bed with Bill White, you were able to get it out, after he broke it off in you. This time you may not be so lucky.

    He’s his own man, as am I. His articles are pretty close to the mark, in my view, which is why I posted them.

    I don’t care what ZOG says about Strom. ZOG often lies. It set up Matt Hale, without a doubt. It trumped up or made up charges against Doles, without a doubt. It concocted a bogus case against Walker, without a doubt. But in this deal with Strom, we have the guy’s own wife producing a document in which he signs off on agreeing to regular visits with a shrink to deal with his lust for young children.

    Now, either Elisha is lying, or Kevin is a pedophile BY HIS OWN ADMISSION.

    It is obviously the latter.

    A pedophile has no place in our movement, and every honest WN leader must declare that.

    Sad as it is that Kevin Strom is a pedophile, its coming to light can be and should be and must be a turning point for White Nationalism. Now is the time when the old culture of secrecy and coverups, represented by Stormfront and National Alliance/Vanguard, must give way to the new culture of openness and accountability, as represented by VNN.

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26. New America Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 3:37 pm

    Concerning Bill White:

    As a man, to a remarkable degree, you are what you do.

    White’s out in front – personally, professionally, intellectually – his strongest detractor can not take that away from him.

    White was out in front with the old NSM, frankly, if you listened to him handle the press, he was the one who deserved to be out front.

    I listened to him being interviewed by Peter Shank on RBN; in one minute, White destroyed the foundation of the Cult of the Constitution that the Conserviots and Patriotards follow. Peter Shank, of course, was summarily fired by John Stadtmiller.

    I worked daily with people I had crossed swords with in the past; the greater common good, the greater common goal, and the greater common Enemy we all faced dictated that. This is how mature adults behave; not like junior high school cliques.

    White is doing, in his way, what Linder does, in his ways – and both ways lead to the same Path of RACIAL greatness.

    White is, uniquely, defining a National Socialist paradigm for America; it’s worth working with him on that.

    Two, Strom:

    Some time back, if memory serves. Alex Linder said “Absolutely no one in this ‘Movement’ is to be trusted, absolutely.”

    I suspect that Kevin Strom has no secrets whatsoever from the Authorities, and hasn’t for some time. I would not be surprised if everything he knew, such as it was, is known by someone else. “Everything,” of course, includes “everyone.” However, I know Kevin Alfred Strom would never turn State’s Witness, or anything like that…

    Three, Matti the Estonian is pointing in the same direction as White, and Linder.

    Matt the Estonian wrote:
    But I will take a stance about UNITY of white people in US. Mostly You are like bunce a school kids. Forming YOU OWN little groups and “rings”. What will takes You to understand prime point in our movement and this is UNITY. You dont like Kevin – fine. You dont like David – fine, you dont like Alex – fine. But the thing is – ITS NOT FINE. You must overcome you petty differnces and unite in to one big movement. If You have strong organisation then you have responsibility to CLEAN IT UP. If you catch Kevin fucking kids – down whit him, if youy catch David fucking around tell him to “clean” up or leave and stay down if he has ANY considerations about white people.
    What I like in David – unfortunately never seen Alex in action – no books, no publicity – so if You guys can help me out in this (few links or something) that would be great – is Davids mannerism in public. He looks like a guy like we all must be. Well spoken, nice manners, watched language and nice look.
    Unfortunate matters in this world are like the are – jews run the world 8at least the part we are in) and we have NO chane to oust them if we dont do few things.

    in reply:
    Good points, all.

    We must be what we want the world to become; as Alex Linder said, “The best rebellion is excellence.” We can only “lead’ by example. Rockwell knew this better than others; a successful man in his own right, he made sure his nonverbal message to the world was that of professionalism, maturity, and focused discipline.

    Matti the Estonian wrote:
    1. Clean up our act and get education/information.
    Yeah its cool to watch beer drinking and swearing skins – “yeah cool movement is running”. But in reality its sickening. Imagine if instead of 20-30 beerbellied guys half drunken swearingmoving around the city (I have seen that in Europe) instead of 20-30 guys sober as fighter pilots moving in rows like army parade and can actively TALK down every mud and kike and liberal they encounter.

    in reply:
    The skinhead scene, historically speaking, is over; alcohol-fueled anger does no one any good.

    Now, the Scandinavian model of White Nationalism is well worth emulating; the videos of them marching silently, with purposeful discipline, are inspiring.

    And, the ability to hold our own in intellectual battle takes practice, and discipline; Peter Shank provides foundational ideas, Bob Whitaker has great ideas, and Alex Linder provides masterful countermemes. Listening to, and, better, calling in to their shows, provides useful practice.

    The battle for Civilization is a battle for Ideas, and Ideals.

    We have the best of both.

    Matti the Estonian wrote:
    2. Go to the masses.
    Instead of friday night sitting with “buddies” in the beercellar and talking “white” go to EVERY bloody community event You can find. Do it in many levels, 1 group handing flyers and/or other materials, second group will talk. Just talk with people – give them a reason to doupt – about ZOG, about kikes, about other things we now we need to talk with people. And we must start understand that WE allready now the kikes involment in wolrd affairs but most other whites do not now that. So we need start talking with THEY language. When world will collapse they will remember what WE told them and they will come to us. When life is relatively nice most of those brainwashed whites will never be sympatethic to our caus whatever we do. But if we talk about world things they my not remember those thing constantly but they WILL BE INSIDE THEY BRAINS.

    in reply:
    Good points.

    We are moving in that direction, and about time!

    New America

    An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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27. The Sangha Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 4:10 pm

    I think Bill White has the most to gain from this, not VNN. I say that because he has broken this story and penetrated it like no other — and he practically has built his whole reputation for attacking Strom and the “old guard” of White Nationalism. Even Alex is posting his articles, despite their fights a couple of years ago.

    Sad to say, but I saw lots of denial at VNNForum about this as well. Elisha was attacked so viciously at first and all sorts of conspiracy theories were entertained… until Elisha produced that document.

    I have a newfound respect for Bill White. And yes, I used to take the side of Strom in his feud with White. All of this has come as a surprise to me.

    I would think, even if Strom had pedophilic tendencies, that, as a supposed WN leader, he would somehow manage to control his urges. What this proves is that scoring perfect on the SAT doesn’t mean you have all of your screws together… or even that your intelligence is necessarily complete and whole.

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28. Eumaeus Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 6:34 pm

    I think Storm, totally sneaky wierd dude, proven liar, among other things, very well may be guilty, but what about giving the guy a fair trial like every goddamned coon and shitbag will receive? How about just holding off judgment a bit, not laying it on too thick, and then when the evidence comes out a little more and the fellow has had a chance to speak on his own behalf– then pass judment.

    Nah, hang him now.

    We ought to be a little more cohesive than this. Just let the guy a chance to speak in his own behalf? Just out of the decency of being a White man to give him that much benefit of the doubt.

    The federales only set forth THEIR side of the story. It sounds bad I admit– I’m more or less convinced– but out of decency we should give the guy a chance to speak his peace before metaphorically hanging him, perhaps?

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29. Colonel Clink Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 6:38 pm

    Why so hard to believe that Elisha is lying? I’m not defending Strom as I don’t know the particulars but anyone living in the Kwa knows of the Horse shit being passed as law in Divorce courts.
    I just don’t trust anyone who is so quick to bring down anyone in our Movement – passing judgement without hearing all of the evidence. The part about Linx and Lamb – that was a stretch.
    In all of this nonsense – Qui Bono (who benefits?). Is it good for Jews?
    The Colonel

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30. Jim West - Banned By Ex-Con Roundworm Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 7:55 pm

    It all boils down to one thing: failed WN policies, tactics, and leaders. As it stands, ex-cons like Don Black and David Duke, as popular as they may be with the boobs over at Boobfront, are immoral opportunists that draw in sex pervs and other worthless sorts (remember Vince Breeding?) like dogs draw fleas.

    Jamie Kelso strikes me as the next perv to go down, judging by his close friendship and similar personality (and likes?) to Kevin Strom. And thanks for “getting me unbanned”, you lying fuck. Hope you and Boobfront’s main moderator, “Jack Boob”, goes down with you, as I suspect will be yours (and hopefully his) fate.

    Donny Black, aka “Lurch”, you don’t strike me as quite right in the head either. And people send YOU money? Good god damn, how gullible most WNs are! You need to be a con again, instead of an ex-con.

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31. Sri Sreggin Das, Mystic Yogi of the Kali-Yuga Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 8:30 pm

    High strangeness.

    The Christian White Nationalist, David Duke, is a womanizer and the highly intellectual Kevin Strom is a pedophile, and his wife battered him? A former nude dancer writes an opinion piece denouncing Strom? It is wondered if Strom enticed the child singers, while their mother is denounced as the “she-whore?”

    All four of these adults should have been wandering sadhus in India!

    My soul is plunged into despair.

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32. A Real Cool Dude Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 8:31 pm

    “Now, either Elisha is lying, or Kevin is a pedophile BY HIS OWN ADMISSION.”

    If Kevin is an admitted pedophile, then it doesn’t matter if Elisha is lying.

    But Kevin didn’t admit to pedophilia. Posted by Elisha was a modified, initialed agreement between Elisha and Kevin that reads, “[...], that pursuant to concerns related to pedophilia, [...].”

    That’s NOT AN ADMISSION of pedophilia.

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33. Truth Seeker Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 8:34 pm

    Boyz,

    Bill White “the Commander” of some drugstore ‘Nazi’ outfit is really this:

    http://judicial-inc.biz/Bill_White.htm

    He’s the scorpion and the bowel movement is the frog (if you don’t know the story look it up).

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34. jackumup Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 10:05 pm

    ” There is a huge difference in maturity between a woman of twenty and one of thirty — and, similarly, there is an even greater difference in maturity between a girl of twelve and one of twenty. Society has set an arbitrary age — eighteen — as an average of when women are capable of handling being hurt in abusive relationships with men much older than them. Sometimes that it right, sometimes its not. Its not perfect, but it does represent something more than an arbitrary social more.”

    Women are not men, girls are not boys, girls are not women, boys are men, every soul is a separate human being and children are not meant to have sex or sexual relationships. each group is separate and must be treated separately in contrast to the freudian/Kinsley jewish expressed opinion.
    12 year old girls need one physical touch from a man its called a hug and its purpose is to radiant protection and security, girls are with out a doubt the most vulnerable creature in the human species any man who does not see a young girl and feel the initial need to protect her is not a normal man. although some have physically matured more than others they still posses a innocent ambiance of a child, along with a natural strong desire for security. A 12 year old boy on the contrary has a more sense of adventure independence and starting to develop a need to protect, But neither are capable of the mental maturity needed for sexual intimacy. It is clearly the natural responsibility of the man to enforce this truth in society and protect lawfully or physically any child their own or someone else’s from any individual or group that wish to engage in a sexual relations with the child.

    As children spending our teenage years in the seventies and eighties we experienced the unrestricted jewish influence in our culture that started reeling its demonic head at the end of the 1950′s. in this time women were transformed from the strong loving loyal motherly statutes of love into pure sexual objects or power hungry dominatrix that keep (simple minded men) from destroying civilization. they were than placed as equals and jewish experts of society declared them the same as males in mind, spirit, and body, so sex went from being a sacrament to being a recreation.

    We all picked up women in bars and had sex with them any were we could, we all engaged in premarital sex with our girl friends it was considered normal, in fact you would of been looked down on if you didn’t, we all talked about women as to what sexual position they were best suited for, we had expressions like MIlf and shit cutter degrading them no differently than a soldier in war degrading the enemy by calling them kraut, gook, or nip, to us they were bitches, sluts, and cunts, now our society is riddled with divorce, homosexuality, pedophiles, transsexuals, bull dyke’s, crying feminine men, perverts and assorted deviants. (that’s just what the children view on the most suto popular TV shows via the Big three jew networks). We have spent many years using and hurting others under the guise of free love, or engaging our normal manly urges never once stopping to see what damage we caused to those we used. As I said each soul is a separate human being with its own thoughts and dreams and hopes. that’s how we as men should view others, especially women and young children. I was lucky enough to get this realization when i was in my thirties just about the time i was exploring the jewish lie.

    That kid up in boston if the article is right was 17 years old he is not a pedophile he is confused no different than any other person brought up in jewish society over the last 40 years. He should never have been allowed a role as leader in that organization. as for kevin Strom i don’t know much about him but he seems old enough to know better and if he’s guilty than he should be lawfully prosecuted but also excommunicated from the movement and held up as a example of the jewish lie and it’s influences, and it’s never ending persecution of it’s enemies.

    I would like to leave you with a closing thought. The Catholic Church was rocked with this type of scandal, the jewish lead media coined the phrase “pedophile priest”. It turned out that they were just homosexuals who joined the church to lust teenage boys (“not that there is anything wrong with that right!”), most of those boys were physically sexually mature and displayed feminine qualities, but the (jewish) Judges, prosecutors, and suing attorneys ignored that fact and publicly ridiculed the church trying to accuse the entire organization and its beliefs as corrupt and evil all a while relieving its parishes of their bank accounts.

    Criticize yes, but don’t let the jews make you throw the baby out with the bath water.

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35. Sgt. Skull Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 10:53 pm

    This is very disappointing about Strom if it’s true. I really don’t know what to believe. At first, I thought he may have been set up, but he has been inactive from the “movement” for quite some time, so taking him down, so to speak really doesn’t affect anything other than to discredit others in National Vanguard or other allied organizations. The media stories I found made it a point to emphasize his pro-white views and association with NatAll and NatVan.

    The fact that Elisha Strom signed an affidavit doesn’t mean anything. She could have been intimidated or paid to do so. If “they” are saying she did, then who is “they”? I’m not saying this because I’m one of Kevin’s flunkies, because I’ve never even met him. I’m totally repulsed by pedophilia and it should never be tolerated, and if he is guilty, then he should be punished.

    I will never join any organization feigning to be pro-white. While I believe there are many well meaning individuals in these groups, there’s no shortage of informers and law enforcement (federal or local) agents gathering intelligence on people.

    Rule #1, don’t trust anyone. Nevertheless, the fact that some movement biggies are being taken down doesn’t change the way you or I feel. It’s too bad we don’t have any viable organizations working for our interests. I felt the National Alliance under Pierce was really making gains before his untimely death, but life must go on.

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36. Bill White Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 10:58 pm

    Yeah, Steve, you caught me. I stole the commentary from someone else because there are a whole lot of other writers interested in this topic and writing things like that. Oh wait … I used one of the ghost writers in my stable, since I”m so rich. Or it was one of my “section 8″ tenants (I don’t even have section 8 tenants).

    Grow up you washed up boozers and informants, you’re no more a credit to the movement than Strom.

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37. Mati The Estonian Says:
    11 January, 2007 at 11:19 pm

    I agree with Alex last statement in 100%. All those tens and tens small groups of whites should UNITE. In small groups is easy to hide every shitty thing leader wants. Including pedophilia, working undercover for ZOG etc. Small groups are easy to tare down by ZOGs and kikes and they ilk.
    In bigger movement if we found out something like this we tear down persons responsible and move on with marginal damage …

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38. VLC Says:
    12 January, 2007 at 1:11 am

    Pravda Bill:
    “No rational person right now belives that documents are being faked or that Strom is innocent.”

    as if he was in a position to decide who’s rational and who’s not. you can probably find his ramblings about Atlantis and Hyperboreans in the archives of his website if he hasn’t deleted them

    you’re giving BW the attention he doesn’t deserve. So he lies about Alex Linder and VNN but he tells bits of truth about this case ? Big fucking deal. That doesn’t make BW’s poop worth posting on VNN.

    If some WN celebrities/activists are charged with this or that we will know in time, if they’re declared guilty and with what evidence we will know in time.

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39. whitefight Says:
    12 January, 2007 at 2:05 am

    Bill white, the gossip of the “white movement” shooting his mouth off once again without any evidence to back up his claims.

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40. whitefight Says:
    12 January, 2007 at 2:07 am

    BTW, documents can be forged and so can signatures. We should all hear it from the guy’s own mouth, otherwise you sound like you WANT it to be true.

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41. Pamela Ramsey Says:
    12 January, 2007 at 4:09 am

    IS MR. KEVIN STROM GUILTY?

    I shall forever be grateful that the web-sites of the National Alliance, and the Dissident Voice broadcasts of Dr. William Pierce and Mr. Kevin Strom, etc. communicated most of my ideas to more people faster, better and more successfully than I.

    Mr. Kevin Strom has been an excellent advocate for our cause; I hope that he represents himself as well when he appears before whatever jury he must face. I am glad that in America our guilt or innocence can be determined in a public trial by a jury of our peers, instead of by government officials.

    I doubt that Mr. Kevin Strom ever recovered from the death of Dr. William Pierce. I was grateful that Mr. Kevin Strom carried on so well thereafter. Mr. Kevin Strom has a good broadcast voice, an excellent education, and expresses himself better than most of those who post messages on this board. I never heard Mr. Kevin Strom use profanity. I miss his broadcasts.

    The American Dissident Voices broadcasts of Mr. Eric Gliebe and Mr. Shawn Walker have greatly improved, but have not yet reached the level of those of Dr. William Pierce and Mr. Kevin Strom, in my opinion.

    My ideas used to shock everyone I met; and still upset most people, but now it is not unusual for me to meet people who agree with me, thanks in part to the work of the National Alliance.

    About 1996, when “Hatewatch.com” created the first list of web sites which Jews did not like, mine was one of only six (along with Mr. Don Black’s) that Hatewatch listed. Jews usually had my pro-Aryan web-site censored by the time traffic had exceeded from 50 to 100 hits per day, so I had to keep posting my web-site at new URLs.

    Now there seem to be untold hundreds of pro-white web-sites which are far better than mine ever was, so I do not mind that my web-site has receded into the background. I am amazed at the number of hits my often-censored web-site still gets. Since the National Alliance has done so much of my work for me, I have been able to spend more of my time and energy on other important projects.

    The ideas I expressed on my first web-site were unlike those of all other pro-white web-sites. None on my positions on issues have changed, but Mr. David Duke’s “New Orleans Protocols” adopted many of the positions I alone took on pro-white issues, back in 1996.

    My philosophy is that ONE MUST DO THE BEST ONE CAN WITH WHAT ONE HAS, and that we must use all of our resources in order for Aryan civilization to survive. Dr. Pierce said that instead of seeing the weeds and becoming discouraged, we should think of the beneficial garden that we can create.

    No matter how disgusting the thought of homo-sexuality, and any other sexual perversity (even promiscuity) is to me, if possible I think we should use the criminals of our race in any way we can, to advance our cause (even if they are sex-criminals). Every race is blessed with the genetic diversity it needs to survive; the stone that seems not to fit may be the corner stone.

    If Mr. Kevin Strom was upset by the death of his mentor Dr. William Pierce, and the breakup of the National Alliance, might these events have helped destroy his marriage? How has being separated from his children, and being rejected and possibly divorced by his wife, affected Mr. Kevin Strom psychologically?

    How many of us could go through such events without suffering emotionally, losing self-confidence, feeling rejected, and even blaming or hating ourselves, especially if our weaknesses and despair are taken into account?

    Even though I respect everyone and judge none, I try to stay away from dangerous people. I hardly ever meet a Christian who is not quick to judge others, even though the Bible teaches “Judge not that ye be not judged”, and “Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone”.

    Is the lack of racial solidarity one of the greatest impediments to the salvation of the Aryan race?

    What we become depends on both our genes and our environment. Although Aryans have created the most powerful civilizations on earth, can Aryans who live in a Judeo-Christian inclucated and dominated society ever be as noble as they were born to be? Will some of us feel that we do not belong to the corrupted society into which we were born, and hate and feel betrayed by it? Will some of us lose our pride and self-respect, have anti-social and suicidal thoughts, become child and spouse abusers, and even criminals and sex perverts?

    Whether he is found guilty or not, I know that thousands of us will continue to love Mr. Kevin Strom for what he has accomplished. I hope that those who are grateful for his great achievements and talents will welcome him back into our community with open arms, and without prejudice, so that he can recover from whatever mental illness or weakness he has suffered (if any) and so that Mr. Kevin Strom can continue to contribute in any way he can to our great cause.

    No matter what anyone says, might this whole affair be an enemy trick designed to destroy our greatest leader? Who but Mr. Kevin Strom will ever know?

    Even though I do not know if Mr. David Duke was guilty of the crime to which he pled guilty, I am grateful that he has continued to serve our cause so well, despite his shortcomings.

    Sincerely, Pamela Ramsey

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42. Anchorage Activist Says:
    12 January, 2007 at 5:55 am

    Since this was first written, we now hear that former Klan leader Gordon Young has been arrested for…you guessed it, sex crimes!

    So now we’ve had three prominent WN personalities arrested for “sex crimes” within a short period of time. Are we supposed to believe this is for real? Something stinks to high heaven. Then factor in the sustained DOS attacks on Stormfront, Hal Turner, and VNN during the past two months. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but something is definitely WRONG with this picture.

    One VNN Forum poster suggested that since charges of racism and anti-Semitism were losing their deterrent effect, the establishment was now switching tactics and using the threat of charges of “sex crimes” to deter pro-white activity.

    I also don’t trust the FBI. They lied about Ruby Ridge, Waco, OKC, the shootdown of TWA Flight 800, and 9-11. Why would they be telling the truth now?

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43. Jim West - Banned By Ex-Con Roundworm Says:
    12 January, 2007 at 10:48 am

    “Why would they be telling the truth now?”

    Because Kevin Strom is a sex criminal, that’s why.

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44. Jim West - Banned By Ex-Con Roundworm Says:
    12 January, 2007 at 10:49 am

    “Sincerely, Pamela Ramsey” (supporter of child porn and pedophilia)

    Uh…just who the hell are you?

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45. Hacked from vnnf Says:
    12 January, 2007 at 11:52 am

    As Alex said, this is a new beginning.

    Upon the death of Pierce, the NA morphed into a cattle ruslers.The NA was nothing more than a dot-org which the internet provided dissident to spread the message, nothing more.

    Currently there are far more reasonable websites than the old with which serves ADL top hate site. I think it has outlived its usefulness.Strom ect should be ignored.Distance from them as much as possible. As a matter of fact,the NA ect logo should be erased,flushed down the toilet.

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46. 131488WOLF131488 Says:
    12 January, 2007 at 11:55 am

    “Official” documents CAN be fabricated, and the criminal justice “system”/law “enforcement DO have ways of coercing ACCUSED individuals into signing things and even admitting guilt in order to get released pending a hearing and/or a lighter sentence.
    I’d hate to look into the closets of those here and elsewhere who have BIG finger pointing away from THEMSELVES (while three more point right BACK at them!).
    WHO “rules America”???
    “Divide and Conqer”???
    Baby rapers get NO QUARTER, but neither do PEOPLE WHO HANG FALSE JACKETS ON OTHERS-he said-she said??? don’t cut it. Reliable sources??? ANYONE can be biased for personal reasons-i.e: Jealousy/Greed/Envy/Hurt Feelings…JewsMedia??? No good. Judges/District Attorneys/Cops??? Well, need I go on?
    How’s about we stick to the work of White Racial Awareness/Activism instead of acting like the mud-people we’re forced to share the planet with???
    In The Awakening of White America (THE WHITE WORLD!!!), Wolf- in the mud-pit formerly known as Massachusetts. 14/88!!!

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47. Geoff Beck Says:
    12 January, 2007 at 1:54 pm

    Where is PORC in this hour of darkness?

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48. Steve B Says:
    12 January, 2007 at 2:01 pm

    Bill White Sez:

    “Yeah, Steve, you caught me. I stole the commentary from someone else because there are a whole lot of other writers interested in this topic and writing things like that. Oh wait … I used one of the ghost writers in my stable, since I”m so rich. Or it was one of my “section 8″ tenants (I don’t even have section 8 tenants).

    Grow up you washed up boozers and informants, you’re no more a credit to the movement than Strom.”

    Perhaps I was mistaken, Bitch Tits. May I call you Bitch? I keep forgetting you’re manic-depressive. One moment, completely intelligible and comprehensible. The next, outing peoples credit card numbers and locking Linder out of his own website.

    Carry on, sir. The madcap entertainment you provide is worth it’s weight in gold.

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49. brutus Says:
    12 January, 2007 at 8:43 pm

    In the past, I’ve made some critical remarks about Bill White’s gossipy-sounding reporting.

    But now I understand his position within the movement.

    He is the canary who protects the miners. When he stops singing, we all could die.

    .

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50. New America Says:
    12 January, 2007 at 9:48 pm

    From obstacle, to opportunity:
    The Internet has removed all middlemen, and their agendas, both open, and hidden.

    Instead of waiting for Pierce to enlighten us, we can download Peter Shank, and the range of VNN shows; instead of hoping some sort of solution falls out of the sky and saves us from the consequences of our indifference to our RACIAL plight, we can begin to build bridges to something better, and plant the seed for the crops our posterity will reap.

    Thus, we have VNN as a real news network, that is developing a crystal clear focus on identifying how our RACIAL enemies work against us, Bill White developing new models for applying the NSDAP experience to a uniquely American form of National Socialism, Harold Covington laying out how an actual White Homeland in a future America could come to be, and grow, Peter Shank defining EXACTLY how the “New World Order” is actually a JEW World Order, the list goes on.

    Bluntly, expecting someone else to look after your vital interests is the behavior of children, who have little choice in the matter, and not the behavior of Adults – Adults like Alex Linder, Bill White, Peter Shank, Harold Covington, Bob Whitaker.

    This is because power – TRUE power – follows responsibility.

    I admire Kevin Strom as a writer, a philosopher, and an analyst; however, as a Leader, he fails us, and the RACE.

    Alex Linder spoke of “the paste jewel of middle-class respectability.” This is so useful a formulation that I look at the collapse of what was the American middle class, and ask myself, “Was it worth it? Was the approval of your neighbors so valuable to you? What assistance do they offer you in your hour of need?”

    In contrast, clear, responsible RACIAL thinking – duty to RACE, writ large – means that we bind our words, and our deeds, to something much greater than ourselves, and that is our DUTY to those who made our NATION possible, and those who will carry our NATION’S unique RACIAL heritage to the stars.

    If there is a lesson in l’affaire Strom so far, it really seems to be this:

    The folly of pursuing “the paste jewel of middle-class respectability” is a choice we should all avoid; if Kevin Strom had NEVER married – one of the hallmarks of “middle-class respectability” – he could have made decisions that MIGHT have led him to a place as the rightful intellectual heir to Pierce, instead of a man who will spend the rest of his life either at the mercy of the kindness of strangers at a Federal Correctional Institution, or living a mean existence at jobs beneath his abilities.

    EVEN IF HE IS FOUND “INNOCENT” OF ALL CHARGES, the mere charge of “pedophile,” alone, guarantees that he will be lucky to get a job pumping gas in Nowhere, Montana.

    This is what the Internet has offered us; a way to go AROUND any link in our System, and develop newer, stronger synthetic organizations.

    Let’s take advantage of that.

    By the way, let’s support those who create and sustain the infrastructure that makes our efforts possible; tonight, put some money in an envelope and send it to Alex Linder, Bill White, whoever you think is carrying the ball down the field for us.

    New America

    An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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51. Bill Wite Says:
    13 January, 2007 at 12:15 am

    Let me tell you about some of my mis-adventures with the Kev mons…err Meister

    One time he came to me and said he had just been seduced by a mulatta. I said \’Awww man thats bad. It must have been those revealing white/zebra genes that you got you.\’ He said \’no it was the Mickey Mouse panties she was wearing underneath.\’

    I one time mentioned to him \’all this pro-mysogination agitprop is really having a backbite, you should see all the JAPS walking around New York and other cities sucking and fucking niggers.\’ He told me that wasn\’t how his experience with them has been, they usually stay tightly knit with their own but are still fucking sluts. He told me he finally got a real hot young one he had been working on for 3 days, that he met where her family was having a birthday celibration for her, at an establishment he frequents regularily (Chunky Cheese). When he finally got her in the sack, she giggled and said she had had BIGGER and BETTER. He was real angry because she had told him she was a virgin on the day they met. I laughed and said \’you should have got her when she really was big boy!\’ He said he was 2 days too late!

    Another time he told me he was through entaining at kids parties for movement friends, at was just too much fucking work. I said \’Aw c\’mon the kids can\’t be that bad.\’ He said \’No the kids are GREAT it\’s getting all the blood out the clown rental costumes that\’s such a pain in the ass.\’

    One time we were sitting at a coffee shop talking when a very attractive young lady walked by, and we paused a moment, but he did not seem that interested. I said, you have to watch out for that Jailbait, there are a lot of 14 year olds walking around these days with the bodies of 18 year olds. He said \’those are not the ones you have to watch out for. It\’s the 8 year olds with the body of 4 year olds – MOST OF THEM KNOW 9-11!

    One time Elisha called me hysterical saying she got Kev looking at a very revealing picture of a young child. The child had very short hair and she could not tell what sex it was. And asked \”What are you doing with a picture like that, how old is that boy\’? Kev got up and slapped her and said \”IT\’S A GIRL! I cant believe this, all this time you\’ve known me and you could think Im some kind of sick fucking pervert!\”

    He said he was going on a camping trip with a steady fling, where a funeral was also going to be held for a lost loved one near by. When Kev took her to the funeral no one was there, but a deep hole had been buried in the ground. The girl asked where everyone was, and said it was very inconsiderate to only bring lunch for one she would be hungry later on the walk back.

    He said told her \’I am the one who needs all the engry, afer all I\’mhe grave digger and paulbearer…besides your not going to need any lunch for the short trip your talking.\’

    …He said he still wrote to her mother regularily, telling her she was being well taking care and not been harmed. \’After all I am not some kind of monster.\’ he said. \’Unlike those niggers and the nasty things they would write to my mother, about how they were \’talking care\’ me, in Juvey.\’

    I said \’Yea I really hate those fucking niggers! Some WN say \’Oh you that makes you sound like some jewish hater.\’ I said no, jews hate everyone for no good reason, after knowing niggers for a short tiem no one likes them. I think their mock ZOG staged BN\’s are much bigger BM\’s than our fake WN. Because they continue to suck off the government while it just fucks us! I wish they the worthless pieces of shit would get off the welfare.\’

    He told me \’The state really babies them. I mean you have no idea how they molly-coddle them. Hell even I came out wearing a diaper after living with them a short time.\’

    Pretty soon my nigga JJT will have Stormfront collaped in no time. The hos they just don\’t know, once you fuck around wit da White, you say goodnight!

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52. Dudeman Says:
    13 January, 2007 at 3:44 am

    Bill White = COINTELPRO.

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53. Pamela Ramsey Says:
    13 January, 2007 at 9:30 am

    Posted by Pamela Ramsey on 12 January, 2007 at 4:09 am at http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/?p=1436#comments
    RESPONSES

    On 12 January, 2007 at 10:49 am, Jim West wrote: “Pamela Ramsey” (supporter of child porn and pedophilia). Uh…just who the hell are you?”
    –

    I am surprised that Jim West implied that I am a supporter of child porn and pedophilia, based on my first and only post at this forum, even though I wrote that the thought of homo-sexuality, and any other sexual perversity (even promiscuity) disgusts me (on January 12, 2007 at 4:09 am in my “IS MR. KEVIN STROM GUILTY?” post)? Did I step on one of Jim West’s toes?

    I expect ad hominem attacks from the enemies of Aryan civilization because I tell EVERYONE what I honestly think. To defend white civilization in a Jew and Zionist-Christian dominated society, one must have a thick-skin or shut up.

    Am I racist? I do not like to see non-whites or mixed-race children and couples, even on TV or in newspaper ads. Bill Wite’s 12:15 am, 13 January, 2007 post about miscegenation was too disgusting for me to read much of it. To kiss a Negro would make me vomit. One can not value Aryan civilization without respecting its mothers and children. I wish I lived in an Aryans-only homeland. Removing criminals from its gene pool is the best way to domesticate any race; a civilization that ignores eugenics won’t last long.

    After Dr. William Pierce’s death, I thought that Kevin Strom was the best, most decent and well educated leader White nationalists had. Has Mr. Kevin Strom been accused of anything except having pornography on his hard drive?

    A January 12, 2007 ABC 20/20 episode reported that pornography can be stored on computers that are connected to the Internet without the owner’s consent or knowledge, by hackers via e-mail, etc. This 20/20 episode was about the government’s prosecution of an innocent teenager because pornography was found on the hard drive of his computer. See http://www.tvguide.com/detail/tv-show.aspx?episodeid=6162588&tvobjectid=191340&more=ucepisodelist

    Sincerely, Pamela Ramsey

    P.S. I wish no one posted profanity on this NV forum.

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54. Schlomo ben Jewhadi Says:
    13 January, 2007 at 11:06 am

    Schtrom?

    Has a “WN” ever looked so queer?

    Why that goyly-chin-down-sideways glance just tickles my matzahs!

    A payfect leiter for all the wannabee Goybbels!!

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55. Stalin Says:
    13 January, 2007 at 1:26 pm

    Bill White was is was is was is was Marxist

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56. New America Says:
    13 January, 2007 at 3:32 pm

    in response to Pamela Ramsey
    you said:
    *snip*
    Has Mr. Kevin Strom been accused of anything except having pornography on his hard drive? *snip*

    in reply:
    I suspect that, as this all works out in the cold, harsh, light of the judicial process, we might all find room for “accusation(s)” beyond what we might have considered.

    Reverse the question, Pamela:
    “Has Mr. Kevin Strom accused anyone of anything without the slightest shred of proof?”

    Listen to VNN on Monday, and call Alex Linder; then, remembering that people rarely change, ask yourself if this is the first person “Mr. Kevin Alfred Strom” has treated in this manner.

    Then, note that Linder called out the Stroms on VNN. Their response was, from what I can tell, somewhat muted.

    It might be that there is a lot more to l’affaire Strom than we have suspected, and not just relating to Kevin’s current sad state of affairs.

    Look at it from the level of the Institutions involved.

    WHY is Stromfront ending all discussion on this topic?

    WHY is it that the men who seem to propose, in so many words, the clearly defined, arduous work of “taking back America,” won’t allow free, honest, open discussion on this topic. What else gets short shrift?

    WHY won’t Stromfront adopt the VNN model, the marketplace of ideas model – get it out there, say it, defend it, or shut up?

    The old “Movement,” such as it was, operated with a high ratio of irrational idiots to Great Men; yet, the ideas we espouse, and the ideas we support, are so strong, clear, and right, that men like Rockwell and Pierce gave their lives in support of them.

    That Stromfront suddenly seems to be an American version of the BNP – “the paste jewel of middle class respectability,” and all that – says they are well on their way to being gelded, like American Renaissance.

    Actions always speak louder than words.

    The actions of men like Alex Linder, Harold Covington, Bill White, Peter Shank, Bob Whitaker, and a precious few more, stand in dramatic counterpoint to what seems to be Stromfront’s new hallmarks – intellectual dishonesty, and the the moral equivalent of cowardice.

    On the other hand, might Mr. Strom himself be the victim of an exercise in…wait for it…COINTELPRO?

    Incidentally, to give credit where credit is due, David Duke’s (paraphrased) words of advice will stand us all in good stead:

    “Whenever a man is talking with you and starts to speak of doing something that is illegal, or might even seem to illegal, look at them and say, loudly enough for their microphones to pick up, ‘I don’t know what you are talking about! Stay away from me!’ Then, IMMEDIATELY WALK AWAY, and, if he follows you, tell him you are going to the police.”

    New America

    An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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57. Sri Sreggin Das, Mystic Yogi of the Kali-Yuga Says:
    13 January, 2007 at 6:40 pm

    From Strom Thurmond to Kevin Alfred–maya at every step.

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58. Sholomanarchy Says:
    13 January, 2007 at 6:55 pm

    Reo said: The Jews today seem to have the infighting down to a minimum – As an IJC turncoat, I know this statement to be untrue. There is much interfactional and intrafactional fighting among the Jews, although a lot of it gets whitewashed by the Jew-controlled media; which is why the Goyim are often not informed of it. The key divide seems to be between the mainstream Jews who support the ZOG, and the various individual Kikes and Kike organizations (anarchists, Cows, NK, etc.) who are deemed “not really Jewish” or “excommunicated” by the mainstream for their opposition to the ZOG and the IJC.

    Can a nonauthoritatrian race beat an authoritarian one? – I believe that they can; one proven strategy is solidarity with other non-authoritarian communities (including those of other races) and decentralized organizizing.

    Colonel Clink asks: Is it good for Jews? The colonel asks an old kike question… It appears that a certain Jewish hate site with ZOG-identified members is jumping all over the story; they feel that they’ve caught the “big fish”, or possibly even the whole fucking school.
    Furthermore, according to this random page on the topic: An article in a local Virginia newspaper reporting Strom’s arrest pointed out that federal agents removed “over 40 cartons” of documents from Strom’s home. Feds also removed computers, computer disks, and associated computer equipment.
    Oh shit! Looks like the ZOG is about to spread a really wide net.

    The real charges are coming up, of course; knowing the ZOG, “Hate crime” type charges will be featured prominently. There will be a lot of busts; anyone who has ever mailed to Strom a zine, newsletter, flyer, or anything, and anyone who corresponded with him by e-mail, probably a couple of grand jury investigations too. The conserviots and patriotards will support this as a knee-jerk reaction to pedophilia; and a lot of fieldwork activists who have supported him in the past are fucked, even if they were not in on the pedophilia and racketeering.
    So yes, it’s good for the Jews; TOO good for them, in fact. This boils down to a question of survival for individuals and for autonomous communities; the Vinlanders are on the right track, in the sense that they’re decentralizing themselves. In order to escape the net, individuals and communities who cannot “slip through the cracks” should work together to destroy the net, while disassociating themselves from the “schoolmaster” – Strom himself.

    Jackumup said: The Catholic Church was rocked with this type of scandal, the jewish lead media coined the phrase “pedophile priest”. – Looks like the backblast area wasn’t clear, however; the Jewish leadership are now facing their own scandal, as the case of and backlash from Yidi Kolko clearly demonstrate.

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59. Antagonistes Says:
    13 January, 2007 at 9:18 pm

    Who in the heck is “Humbert Humbert?”

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60. Shabbos Shabazz Says:
    14 January, 2007 at 12:03 am

    ‘Who in the heck is “Humbert Humbert?”’

    Who in the heck is “Google Google?”

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61. Nomad Says:
    14 January, 2007 at 3:29 am

    From what I have been seeing from WN’s as a whole is that there are to many factions. To many groups trying to out do the other instead of all working together on the same page. Power and money corrupts if one person has to much power. All you have to do is look at Bush.

    Pedophiles should be hung, shot, and quartered. Then see how many stop their ways.

    All that has happened, will now put a harsher light on WN’s from groups opposed to our views. It will give a little more fuel to the fire for those groups who wish to pass laws against WN’s and have our views censored in public or on the internet.
    With all the records that the FEDS have removed from Strom’s house, think of all the names of members they have now.

    I support WN’s and our views as a whole. I am hesitant about factions that say they are better than the next. Those who have my trust, have earned it and those that break my trust are on my shit list.

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62. jimbo Says:
    14 January, 2007 at 8:47 am

    ‘Antagonistes’ asks: “Who in the heck is ‘Humbert Humbert?’ “

    HH was the ‘anti-hero’ from Vladmir Nabokov’s novel: ‘Lolita‘;

    in to-day’s ‘parlance’, he would prblby qualify as a ‘pædolphile’!

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63. Antagonistes Says:
    14 January, 2007 at 9:53 am

    Sixteen-year old Maria “Mitzi” Reiter. What about her?

    Hitler not only was unfaithful to his common-law wife, Eva Braun, but he went after a sixteen-year old girl who caught his eye, according to Smoter.com.

    If we condemn Strom (as we should, assuming he is guilty, which has not yet been proved) what should we say about Hitler?

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64. -JC Says:
    14 January, 2007 at 2:19 pm

    15 years or so ago, I learned some important lessons from the early work of Pastor Pete Peters. I still highly recommend his audio tape series, They and Us: It contains vital information including a law school profesor bragging on the Jewish influence in the U.S. Supreme Court by Judges at both ends of the spectrum– rabbis and athiests– which alerted me to the fact that Jewishness was admitted to be racial rather than religious.

    Then, unfortunately, I got to know people close to Peters and learned too much about their personal lives and problems. That was not only distracting, wasting time and energy, but called into question the credibility of what they said wasting more time and energy not only sorting it out but defending it.

    Emotion, particularly about highly-charged allegation such as pedophilia and, to the brainwashed, “anti-Semitism,” tends to overcome rationality. And that is the reason for Rules of Evidence. It seems to me that a certain intellectual and procedural rigor is called-for in those who would overthrow the dominant order. We should teach it, support it, and apply such standards to our writing, our conversation, our child-rearing, and our private thoughts. White speaks of transcending the animal and this is where it begins.

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65. New America Says:
    14 January, 2007 at 7:13 pm

    A fascinating comment by -JC.

    -JC wrote:

    15 years or so ago, I learned some important lessons from the early work of Pastor Pete Peters. I still highly recommend his audio tape series, They and Us: It contains vital information including a law school professor bragging on the Jewish influence in the U.S. Supreme Court by Judges at both ends of the spectrum– rabbis and atheists– which alerted me to the fact that Jewishness was admitted to be racial rather than religious.

    in reply:
    This is of critical importance in understanding the operation of the goddamn JEW as a RACIAL entity; Linder quoted Chuck Pearson’s astute observation:

    “JEWS don’t just take one side of an issue; they take ALL sides of an issue. That way, they make sure that, whatever the outcome, JEWS benefit.”

    Pornography in Court?

    JEWS win – as pornographers – JEWS win – as lawyers – JEWS win – to limit the effect of any ruling so they still retain control over the vital commanding heights of the Culture.

    The solution?

    NO JEWS – JUST RIGHT!

    -JC wrote:
    Then, unfortunately, I got to know people close to Peters and learned too much about their personal lives and problems. That was not only distracting, wasting time and energy, but called into question the credibility of what they said wasting more time and energy not only sorting it out but defending it.

    in reply:
    As Children, we identify the messenger with the message; as Adults, we can separate the two, and work with the best of what the messenger has to offer.

    Pierce, Rockwell, White, Linder, all are the topic of much personal criticism, mostly by people who cannot develop a better system, or people who are threatened by the Truth about RACE.

    Peters has much to say that, even now, is extremely useful; best to listen to him, while we can.

    -JC wrote:
    Emotion, particularly about a highly-charged allegation such as pedophilia and, to the brainwashed, “anti-Semitism,” tends to overcome rationality. And that is the reason for Rules of Evidence. It seems to me that a certain intellectual and procedural rigor is called-for in those who would overthrow the dominant order. We should teach it, support it, and apply such standards to our writing, our conversation, our child-rearing, and our private thoughts. White speaks of transcending the animal and this is where it begins.

    in reply:
    Rules of Evidence are like Rules of Procedure; ask the young men of the Duke lacrosse team about the Federal Rules – or even the North Caroline Rules – of Evidence, and the prosecutor’s duty to disclose exculpatory evidence.

    Well, so much for the “Rules.”

    And, these young men are only saved – hopefully – NOT by a thoroughly corrupt “justice” system, but by parents with the financial wherewithal to literally force a higher justice system to balance out the corruption of the North Carolina district attorneys.

    The Duke lacrosse case is damn near a textbook case of “Might makes Right,” and we should ALL bear that in mind.

    I suspect l’affaire Strom is very simple to understand – I would not be at all surprised if “a woman scorned” is behind all of this, on one level, and Kevin, is forever ruined, is on the other end, as an example . . .

    The law enforcement community got what it wanted, and frankly quite possibly, already had – total access to everything Kevin knew about anything resembling, and anyone favoring, White Nationalism in America.

    If there are lessons in l’affaire Strom for all of us, they are few, and powerful:

    One, avoid anyone who attempts to engage you in any sort of compromising behavior, in any way, shape of form.

    Two, most membership organizations resemble a Tournament of Losers – there is a reason for that, but they are a useful source of lists of members for Certain Parties. The sole exception, to date, is Bill White’s ANSWP, which actually screens members before they join. That’s SMART!

    Three, there never was a White Nationalism “Movement” since the second Klan; anything claiming to be the founding of such has been easily infiltrated, and neutralized.

    Yet, this moment crystallizes the Shift between types of White Nationalism movements, from the impotence of the classic organizational model, to the power of the organic, transformational model that leads to . . .

    Four, there is a wonderful opportunity in this, if we look at men like Linder, and Bill White. Simply put, power follows responsibility – Pierce isn’t coming back, Rockwell isn’t coming back – you get the idea. We must be what we want the world to become. The world is not going to change; OUR world can change, only to the extent that we do.

    This is the Work of lifetimes.

    Bob Whitaker got it right; it will require a new way of seeing things, a new way of thinking, a new way of being – and it will be a daily struggle to make it work, at all.

    Above all, must shift our Mindset – the very framework of our thinking – from being victims; merely complaining about the goddamn JEWS is simply the whining of the Impotent, people who then watch some damn sports show and don’t do anything – ANYTHING – to make themselves better, for their FAMILY, their RACE, and their CULTURE.

    Remember, the only power the goddamn JEWS have is the power we gave them, while we were Asleep; they are parasites, and, not having the wisdom of symbionts, will destroy their host every time, until their host finally Awakens at near the point of Death, and strikes back.

    Look at the people who have it right, and see the shift in Mindset, and their acceptance of responsibility:

    Alex Linder defines, daily, how the goddamn JEWISH RACE welded itself to Western Civilization, analyzes how it works on a DAILY basis to control the words we hear, and the pictures we see, as well as the Institutions of our society.

    Peter Shank defines, daily, how the goddamn JEWISH RACE works to transform American culture into a culture that serves as the foundation of a JEW World Order.

    Bill White defines, daily, how to form a National Socialist organization as the foundation for a National Socialist state.

    Harold Covington defines, daily, possible roads to building a White Homeland in the American Northwest, with a National Socialist government – Bill White’s? – in charge.

    Bob Whitaker defines, daily, how to SEE the world in a new way, a way based on RACIAL thinking, on RACIAL thought, with new terms and definitions that literally SHOCK you into realizing the foundation importance of RACE as the Living Bridge between Family, and Culture.

    And what do they all have in common?

    One, their focus is on RACE, the White RACE, and the Institutions that can only exist in the presence of the White RACE.

    Two, they work DAILY to make it happen; this is an example we should all follow.

    Three, it is the power of personal responsibility in action; they aren’t waiting for Sky God/ William Pierce/Whoever, to make it happen by pure magic, and they don’t have the Mindset of the professional victim, like so many members of the “Movement” have.

    Four, they don’t rely on external organizations – they MAKE their own, if needed, and transform it quickly, in an ORGANIC manner, consistent with the unique characteristics of the White RACE, the only CREATIVE RACE on the planet.

    In short, they have a CAUSE – and that CAUSE is what is best for the WHITE RACE, the RACE of Western Man.

    Any “Movements” that develop, organically, solely in the pursuit of that CAUSE, will succeed, and they will succeed organically, developing along RACIAL lines.

    In the meantime, you can do something substantial – send money to the men who are carrying the ball down the field for us. Alex Linder’s address is on the bottom of the page, Bill White’s is on his website – you get the idea.

    And, if you can’t do that much, then you will deserve what you get.

    Let me be crystal clear about this.

    For years, people in “The Movement” told Edgar Steele to open a legal defense fund to make it possible for people to contribute to him, and help him defend OUR “Constitutional Rights.”

    Finally, Steele opened such a fund, and the response was underwhelming . . .

    That “response” is one measure of our sense of Responsibility to our Posterity, and it’s important to focus on that.

    Doc Schneider summed it up best: “It’s boots, or bullion; your feet in the street, or cash on the barrel head.”

    THAT is the test of what we truly value; if you can’t afford to give up coffee money (at a bare minimum) to this, with clockwork regularity, then you have made your decision about what you truly value, and your grandchildren will curse you . . .

    In Spanglish.

    New America

    An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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66. GWM Says:
    14 January, 2007 at 9:01 pm

    A few thoughts on the Strom controversy: In an ideal movement, people like Kevin Strom would never have gotten anywhere near the leadership of a White Nationalist organization. There would be too many normal people coming forward to offer leadership. But ours is a marginal movement, and that means that the people who are willing to get out in front are often pretty wierd.

    This has been my view of Strom for a long time, well before the recent allegations. A brief tour of his website is enough to convince anyone that he is wierd: the twee, pastel Maxfield Parrish, Norman Rockwell, Walt Disney aesthetics; Strom’s wierd photos and poses; they create an unmistakeble impression of a person who is slightly off, and I do not mean just politically and ideologically “off”–that is true of all of us. I mean “spritually” off.

    A lot of people have taken one look at the site, and one listen to Strom’s reedy, dweeby, boyish voice, and concluded that he is gay. On top of that, the homophobia of National Vanguard just seems like protesting too much.

    I confess that I had the same suspicions, but only until I met Strom. You see, I am gay, and I have pretty good “gaydar.” Strom, however, did not register as gay at all. Nor did he seem particularly straight. He just seemed sexually “off the radar.” So did a couple of youngish fellows hanging around him at the last American Renaissance conference.

    I have met “weirder than gay” people like him before a couple times in my life. One of them, a bookstore owner whose shop I patronized, was later arrested for molesting a teenage boy. So when the Strom story came out, I was not surprised (which is not to say that I am certain he is guilty). Strom’s tastes are childlike, immature, and extremely sentimental–sentimentality being a longing for lost innocence. These are the tastes I would expect of someone into children.

    But National Vanguard members can at least take comfort: Strom is not a homosexual.

    All that said, I think that Strom is a pretty talented writer. I share his professed political and philosophical views, and I like the National Vanguard site a lot. I wish he was still editing it. Like I said, I wish that normal people with the same talents were out in front. But lacking such people, I am would be happy to see Strom return, wierd sexual and asethetic tastes and all. We need to use the talents of all people, even wierd ones, if we are going to win.

    AN IMPORTANT PROVISIO: I would not mind Strom taking a role in the movement, as long as his wierdness has remained in the realm of fantasy, and he has not actually violated the innocence of any little girl. I also would not blame the parents of little girls for keeping him away from their children.

    But this movement does not consist of little girls, so the majoity of us have nothing to fear from dealing with the little creep, and much to gain by keeping his talents at work.

    Does my attitude offend? Do you feel a fit or moral pique coming on? Are you planning to posture and preen just a bit below this point in the comments section? Chances are . . .

    Whites are a strange race. We are willing to indulge in fits of moral puritainism, EVEN WHEN IT IS COLLECTIVELY DISADVANTAGEOUS. Why is that? And is it a behavior pattern that will help us or hurt us in the struggle with the other races for dominion over this planet?

    Do the Jews and Blacks worry that their leaders are immoral, as long as they are advancing their collective interests? Hell, not even the French worry about that.

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67. wjg Says:
    14 January, 2007 at 9:46 pm

    As much as I admire VNN and many of the posters here this incident is continued evidence of why WN is not a serious movement yet.

    I am new enough to this forum to not know much about Bill White but his post showed me he is more about himself than WN. Lambasting David Duke, Don Black, and Stormfront? Insulting April Gaede?

    Policing the movement of defective characters is absolutely essential but revelling in their downfall is the mark of either a sociopath or a plant. Alex’s appended commentary, on the other hand, was constructive.

    The survival of our people is far more important than petty infighting. A fraud would rather see the movement destroyed than his circle of influence infringed upon. The Biblical account of Solomon’s wisdom in 1st Kings 3:16-28 is a good litmus test for whether a prospective WN leader is legit or not. The baby is our cause.

    When will we get serious?

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68. New America Says:
    14 January, 2007 at 11:32 pm

    GWM wrote:
    14 January, 2007 at 9:01 pm

    A few thoughts on the Strom controversy: In an ideal movement, people like Kevin Strom would never have gotten anywhere near the leadership of a White Nationalist organization. There would be too many normal people coming forward to offer leadership. But ours is a marginal movement, and that means that the people who are willing to get out in front are often pretty weird.

    This has been my view of Strom for a long time, well before the recent allegations. A brief tour of his website is enough to convince anyone that he is weird: the twee, pastel Maxfield Parrish, Norman Rockwell, Walt Disney aesthetics; Strom’s weird photos and poses; they create an unmistakeble impression of a person who is slightly off, and I do not mean just politically and ideologically “off”–that is true of all of us. I mean “spritually” off.

    A lot of people have taken one look at the site, and one listen to Strom’s reedy, dweeby, boyish voice, and concluded that he is gay. On top of that, the homophobia of National Vanguard just seems like protesting too much.

    I confess that I had the same suspicions, but only until I met Strom. You see, I am gay, and I have pretty good “gaydar.” Strom, however, did not register as gay at all. Nor did he seem particularly straight. He just seemed sexually “off the radar.” So did a couple of youngish fellows hanging around him at the last American Renaissance conference.

    I have met “weirder than gay” people like him before a couple times in my life. One of them, a bookstore owner whose shop I patronized, was later arrested for molesting a teenage boy. So when the Strom story came out, I was not surprised (which is not to say that I am certain he is guilty). Strom’s tastes are childlike, immature, and extremely sentimental–sentimentality being a longing for lost innocence. These are the tastes I would expect of someone into children.

    But National Vanguard members can at least take comfort: Strom is not a homosexual.

    In reply:
    If ever we have seen a red herring, it is here.

    The issue is not, and never has been, “Is Strom a Homosexual?”

    This is an issue that seems to be more at home on STROMFRONT, as are Strom’s numerous defenders.

    Incidentally, there is no such thing as “homophobia”; there IS “heterophilia,” and it’s – quite literally – a way of life.

    Unlike homosexuality, which is, as we all know, a way of death.

    The issue is not even, “Is Kevin Alfred Strom a Pedophile?”

    That’s not The Big Issue before us; I would hope he is not, but we could hear from Mrs. Elisha Strom on VNN’s Free Talk Live on Monday, and that would help clear up, at least in part, the document that seems quite indicting – if only of a contract signed as part of marital counseling.

    Alex Linder dealt with the real issues on several occasions in the past, where he crossed swords with Mr. and Mrs. Strom, to their regret.

    The real issue is the personal integrity of the man as it relates to the Institution; homosexuality is merely a red herring, as are, for that matter, charges of pedophilia – until they have been proven or disproved in a court of law.

    The real issues seem to be resolving around two themes:

    (1) Kevin Alfred Strom’s personal integrity vis-a-vis the “Movement,” and his fulfillment of such responsibilities as he has undertaken in the past. Pierce, for one, seemed less than impressed with these, from a casual review of what little we know.

    (2) Stormfront’s eagerness to cut off ALL discussion of Kevin’s current situation.

    The first is personal, and only peripherally Institutional; Kevin has been of no substance whatsoever to “the Movement” in some time.

    The second is of critical importance, because it speaks volumes to the transformation of “the Movement” (which it never really was, in our lifetime), into “The Cause,” and that “Cause” is focusing explicitly around the issues of RACE, and addressing those on behalf of the White RACE, and explicitly defines and criticizes the enemies of the RACE, without weasel-wording, or loose, vapid, intellectual words of equivocation.

    The second issue deals with the fact that Stormfront has become, in one moment, damn near the Cult of Stromfront, whereas we, at VNN, simply confront the issues head-on, full-power, with an intellectual honesty and moral integrity that terrifies the Soft Appeasers of Stromfront.

    Thus, even as Stromfront is slowly transformed into the American version of the BNP – “paste jewel of middle-class respectability,” New Orleans Protocol, and all that – the softness of Stromfront is balanced by ever-greater certainty of the righteousness of “The Cause” by VNN.

    That is the deeper issue – the ONE issue Stromfront will not go near; do we really need such organizations as political entities at all, or should we take the best, and leave the rest?

    Try this at home – look at Stromfront, and ask yourself, “What do they stand for? What ONE message do they send out?”

    They sends out so many messages, around so many themes, it almost like they want to be the foundation of a political movement, today, and a political party, in time. This fluidity of messages means no single message gets out – and successful movements start with ONE message, repeated endlessly.

    Now, look at VNN, and EVERYTHING keys off Four Words:

    NO JEWS, JUST RIGHT.

    Look at Peter Shank – Three Words – FAMILY, RACE, CULTURE.

    Those are the choices facing us, and all of the choices we face fit into those seven words.

    ANY question, on ANY social issue, can be correctly addressed in the context of those Seven Words.

    VNN will never be the BNP; Stormfront MIGHT want to be an American BNP, but will have to be ever more “tolerant” to do so.

    Think Kevin would fit in with them?

    Yes.

    GWM wrote:
    All that said, I think that Strom is a pretty talented writer. I share his professed political and philosophical views, and I like the National Vanguard site a lot. I wish he was still editing it. Like I said, I wish that normal people with the same talents were out in front. But lacking such people, I am would be happy to see Strom return, weird sexual and asethetic tastes and all. We need to use the talents of all people, even weird ones, if we are going to win.

    In reply:
    This changes the issue; if Strom were ONLY a “writer,” that would ne one thing.

    I suspect he aspires to Leadership status, and that’s something else altogether.

    And, if your definition of “weird” includes what he is in jail for, I suspect “weird” is far too gentle a term.

    If there is a tragedy here – and there is – it might all stem from Strom’s possibly seeking “the paste jewel of middle-class respectability” by getting married to anything other than “the Cause.”

    If he had done that, and focused his efforts on that, alone, he might well be the intellectual heir to Pierce, instead of what he seems to be today, a sad, broken shell of what we was, who no one trusted before, and no one at all trusts, now.

    GWM wrote:
    AN IMPORTANT PROVISIO: I would not mind Strom taking a role in the movement, as long as his wierdness has remained in the realm of fantasy, and he has not actually violated the innocence of any little girl. I also would not blame the parents of little girls for keeping him away from their children.

    But this movement does not consist of little girls, so the majoity of us have nothing to fear from dealing with the little creep, and much to gain by keeping his talents at work.

    Does my attitude offend? Do you feel a fit or moral pique coming on? Are you planning to posture and preen just a bit below this point in the comments section? Chances are . . .

    In reply:
    I suspect that, as “The Movement” – old, tired, failed shell of its younger days – transforms into “The Cause” – something that quietly attracts TOMORROW”S Charles Lindbergh, TOMORROW’S Edison’s, TOMORROW’S Griffith’s – such role as Kevin Alfred Strom may seek will be the result of human nature, and his abilities, seeking their own level, in the very open, and very competitive marketplace of ideas, and Ideals the Internet offers us.

    I suspect that we will simply flow around him, as he stands proudly in dress uniform on the deck of the softly sinking H.M.S. “Pinafore.”

    Stromfront has plenty of money, and will probably keep him in a back office somewhere, after his incarceration has ended – if Elisha let’s him!

    GWM wrote:
    Whites are a strange race. We are willing to indulge in fits of moral puritanism, EVEN WHEN IT IS COLLECTIVELY DISADVANTAGEOUS. Why is that? And is it a behavior pattern that will help us or hurt us in the struggle with the other races for dominion over this planet?

    in reply:
    What you call “moral puritanism” is NOT “puritanism” – it’s the moral firewall be build between our moral foundations, and those who would oppose it, especially from within, in the name of “tolerance” and “acceptance.”

    Remember, the first duty of a moral system is to define the path of safety, and growth, for the RACE – the First Principle is Survival, and the Second Principle is Growth.

    Tolerance of pedophiles fails both tests, spectacularly; as they attack the very foundation of our RACIAL future, our Children.

    Pedophilia, which is supported for the goddamn JEWS in the Torah, never made it into the moral codes and laws of our RACE, and even then, is mostly supported for the goddamn JEWS to practice on the children of Gentiles…

    Intolerance is our heritage; students of Christianity know that Jesus was the most intolerant man who ever walked the planet, never forgiving anyone for anything.

    We are intolerant, as was Christ, because our DUTY to our RACE requires we support the best, and keep the rest as far away as possible. Does anyone remember what policy Jesus recommended for child molesters? That’s right – the death penalty, with the reminder that what He had in store for them was even worse…

    GWM wrote:
    Do the Jews and Blacks worry that their leaders are immoral, as long as they are advancing their collective interests? Hell, not even the French worry about that.

    In reply:
    Oh, by the way, speaking of “immorality,”

    Earlier you wrote, “On top of that, the homophobia of National Vanguard just seems like protesting too much..”

    In reply:
    You addressed two groups – the first group, the goddamn JEWS and the Colored only see “morality” as victory, by any means necessary. This will keep them in the mud, where they deserve each other.

    The seocnd group, the French, tolerate “immorality” only in the personal romantic lives of their leaders; their standard is “fully informed consenting adults.” Wives know when their husband has a mistress, and husbands never know when they are being cuckolded; a certain elegant moral symmetry presents itself…

    And, remember, to the French, such “immorality” does not pose a threat to the RACIAL purpose.

    I understand the French are pretty damn ruthless when it comes to pedophiles, and, quite frankly, it has been a long time since they were a force to be reckoned with.

    I suspect the same is true for Kevin Alfred Strom, and will be so for some time to come.

    Kevin, and his writings.

    New America

    An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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69. fdtwainth Says:
    15 January, 2007 at 4:55 am

    2 gwm

    Well, the difference between me and you I guess is that I don’t think something good can come come out from the work and ideas of genetically deformed inidviduals, be they faggots or paedohiles: whatever they do, they always, first and foremost promote their perversions and infest others with them, ruining lives of healthy Aryan men and women. Hence the cure can be only one – automatical death penalty attached to perverse sexual acts, that would help you and other unfortunate individuals like you to stop having devastating effects on others and society.

    Speaking about Strom, I don’t think he is especially capable, in fact he has always been a mediocrity. In intellectual capacity he dwarfs Dr. Pierce, and Dr. Pierce has told him so a number of times. He is just a small man, who was put into past Great Leader’s shoes by chance, and then able to act on those hidden small dirty thoughts and desires, he always harbor – thousands of similar examples happen in the world of business and politics every day. As Lord Acton said: “Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely”. This is true about Great Men, and double true about mediocrities.

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70. -JC Says:
    15 January, 2007 at 9:07 am

    With a tip of the hat to New America and so I’m not misunderstood about my Rules of Evidence comment: I’m not under any illusion that the Rights of Englishmen, such as due process and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty by something other than a smear in the court of public opinion, will be preserved within the current justice system. I’m simply arguing that White Men have the responsibility to apply reasonable standards of evidence, which I think are articulated clearly in federal and most state rules of evidence. Men do in fact get the governments they collectively deserve and, as Mencken said, all decent men are ashamed of their government. Our task, it seems to me, is to be decent men.

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71. -JC Says:
    15 January, 2007 at 9:12 am

    And one more thing: Some of the swishy-est bastards I’ve ever known, “wimpy,” sissy, or whatever pejorative term suits you to describe them, were neither queer nor pedophiles– they were raised by single moms without ever-present mastculine role models during the critical developmental years. Once again, I argue for good men. Death to Judeo-feminism!

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72. Sri Sreggin Das, Mystic Yogi of the Kali-Yuga Says:
    15 January, 2007 at 12:48 pm

    Saddened by the news of Mr. Kevin A. Strom, I have been reading much about him and perusing the photographs of him to see if I could infer any inkling or psychic residue of his alleged inclinations towards pedophilia.

    I have noticed one thing, and perhaps those of you who knew him could verify my observations.

    Kevin seems to have a body that is too small for his head. A “normal” adult man’s shoulders are as wide as twice the length of his head. Kevin’s shoulders seem to be almost in childlike proportions to his head. This indicates a small body.

    Also, his arms seem to lack muscle tone, but they match his childlike body.
    Mr. Strom, I would judge, was not only in childish body type, but could have possibly been of short heighth.

    These obervations are in no way meant to be a negative evaluation of Mr. Strom. I am just advancing my observations — I do not know where they will lead or if they even have any meaning. However, the “short-man syndrome” comes to mind. I will continue to meditate on how this body symetry affects the chakras and psychology of such an individual.

    Mr. Strom, from what I heard of his broadcasts, was very intelligent and was striving for a moral position consistent with his Aryan beliefs. It is to
    be wondered if he ever even read the BhagavadGita. Who knows what he could have been, had his soul been healed by the words of the Gita or by one compassionate confidant. Perhaps if Mr. Strom would have replied to some of the e-mails I sent him, perhaps, and I say this humbly, I could
    have helped.

    However, I would be pleased if anyone could confirm my observations.

    Namaste.

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73. New America Says:
    15 January, 2007 at 3:18 pm

    Sri Sreggin Das, Mystic Yogi of the Kali-Yuga wrote:
    *snip* Mr. Strom, from what I heard of his broadcasts, was very intelligent and was striving for a moral position consistent with his Aryan beliefs. It is to be wondered if he ever even read the BhagavadGita. Who knows what he could have been, had his soul been healed by the words of the Gita or by one compassionate confidant. Perhaps if Mr. Strom would have replied to some of the e-mails I sent him, perhaps, and I say this humbly, I could
    have helped. *snip*

    in reply:
    Sri makes an excellent point concerning Brother Strom; indeed, I suspect the Strom Moment is of such import simply because, in microcosm, it crystallizes so many Aspects of the reasons for the failure of “The Movement,” and the possibilities inherent in “the Cause,” the Phoenix that is taking wing from the ashes of “The Movement.”

    Several issues clearly present themselves, but foremost among them is the idea that “the Movement” suffered from (1) a lack of masculine assertiveness explicitly directed to a goal of RACIAL greatness (Oliver, Rockwell, Pierce, and that’s it), and (2) a lack of Men training boys to become Men, by doing the work of Men. Thus conceptually limited at the founding, “The Movement” was little more than a series of disjointed, inchoate actors, engaged in disconnect, incomprehensible activities.

    Failure was virtually a certainty; if “The Movement” showed the slightest hint of actually making headway, such leaders as they had were quickly neutralized. Ask Dr. Revilo Oliver how he became an Unperson after he realized the Truth, look at the example of Rockwell, whose ideas were so substantial that he had to be assassinated…

    This was part of the Mindset of the so-called “Greatest Generation” – as Bob Whitaker noted, to them, Leadership came from (1) Outside themselves, and (2) from Above.

    Yet, with precious few exceptions, the Agenda was either defined by the goddamn JEWS in terms of what “we” were for – “Conservatism”, or against – “Communism/New World Order/Internationalists.”

    Thus, we were inherently limited to the false flags provided by our RACIAL enemies, the goddamn JEWS.

    ALL of our opponents were simply derivatives, pale Shadows placed on the cave wall before us, of JUDAISM – the RACIAL philosophy that is diametrically opposed to Western Civilization and TRUE Christianity, in general, and the White RACE, in particular.

    This is where the Internet, the removal of the barriers and gatekeepers, has succeeded for our RACE; no longer do we engage in Shadow-boxing, and we are defining the Agenda for OURSELVES.

    This is what comes from the acceptance of Adult Responsibility; the Masculine POWER to push through the Illusions, and CREATE a better world for our posterity – our RACE.

    This involves doing, for ourselves, what the goddamn JEWS do, for themselves, and doing this with the Creativity that is the hallmark of our RACE. We must see EVERYTHING, first and foremost, through the lens of RACE, writ large – RACE, as the Living Bridge between Family and Culture.

    In this, we be what we want the world to become.

    And the “compassionate confidants” we all need are led to us, as we become the “compassionate carriers” of the transforming Cultural norm of a RACIAL focus – first, foremost, forever.

    The choice is ours – we can leave our children, our RACIAL posterity, the “freedom” to remain in the mud, or we can give them honor, discipline, and the stars.

    New America

    An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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74. GWM Says:
    15 January, 2007 at 3:45 pm

    It really is child’s play to tear the White movement apart and waste its time, energy, and resources. All one has to do is dig up a real or merely alleged psychological or moral fault in public figure, especially one with a following. This is not hard to do, because so many people in this movement, especially the ones who are willing to take a public stand, are wierd. If a person is wierd enough to expose himself to the diapprobation the establishment saves for our views, chances are he is wierd in other ways as well.

    Then you merely denounce said individual, and sit back and laugh while his followers divide into camps and have it out. There are two main camps: those who accept the allegations and hasten to show that they are virtuous people by joining in the condemnations, and those who deny the allegations and defend their man. Both sides are united in the premise that if the charges are true, they cannot associate with the person in question, because both sides agree that their individual reputation for moral purity is more important than working together to fight for the White race. So any organization composed of such people can be shattered easily. Like I said, it is child’s play for people like Bill White, who makes it his job to sow discord in our ranks.

    And through a strange double standard, many of you are willing to set aside the many well-founded reservations you should have about Bill White’s character, because, after all, the message is one thing and the character of the messenger is another. But then you turn around and claim that a person like Kevin Strom, who is definitely wierd, but for all we know so far, may have kept his wierdness entirely in the realm of fantasy, cannot be associated with our cause, because any reservations about his character automatically impeach his message.

    What a strange race we are.

    If our race’s survival and flourishing really are our main concern, then I think it would be a lot more difficult to set us at one another’s throats.

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75. New America Says:
    15 January, 2007 at 6:17 pm

    Straining for a gnat, are we?

    GWM wrote:

    It really is child’s play to tear the White movement apart and waste its time, energy, and resources. All one has to do is dig up a real or merely alleged psychological or moral fault in public figure, especially one with a following. This is not hard to do, because so many people in this movement, especially the ones who are willing to take a public stand, are weird. If a person is weird enough to expose himself to the diapprobation the establishment saves for our views, chances are he is weird in other ways as well.

    In reply:
    Actually, as I observed earlier, THIS is the qualitative shift that matters – we are moving from the Leader model to the decentralized model, while taking the initiative to be what we want the world to become. We are, literally, thinking RACIALLY, and acting LOCALLY.

    And, for all of your talk of a “White movement,” let’s be honest, and state, as I have stated above, that there never was a “White movement” of any substance; however, by shifting our focus from the Leader-focused “Movement” to the individual-focused “Cause.” we allow for a system that organically organizes, develops, and creates solutions of the appropriate scale, which work…

    Ironically, Kevin Alfred Strom may be the symbol of this transitional moment, the moment that the butterfly begins to leave the chrysalis, CHOOSING its own path of development, in the fulfillment of a RACIAL destiny.

    In short, while we are building the new RACE, Mr. Strom – and his associates at STROMfront – may find the next Lindbergh, the next Edison, the next Tesla, the next Twain, coming from OUR organically developed and implemented initiatives.

    I am still looking for the work done by STROMfront on behalf of the RACE; from what I can tell, all of the money, information, and power, go one way, and one way only. This choke point is all the enemies of the RACE need to cut off, or, better, substitute false flags for real Ideas. The example of American Renaissance comes to mind…

    GWM wrote:
    Then you merely denounce said individual, and sit back and laugh while his followers divide into camps and have it out. There are two main camps: those who accept the allegations and hasten to show that they are virtuous people by joining in the condemnations, and those who deny the allegations and defend their man. Both sides are united in the premise that if the charges are true, they cannot associate with the person in question, because both sides agree that their individual reputation for moral purity is more important than working together to fight for the White race. So any organization composed of such people can be shattered easily. Like I said, it is child’s play for people like Bill White, who makes it his job to sow discord in our ranks.

    In reply:
    One, all of the “organizations” have been “shattered easily,” and so, you must wonder what they have to offer the membership, other than the occasional opportunity to “greet, meet, eat and retreat.”

    Two, I wasn’t aware that Bill White had anything to do with Kevin Alfred Strom’s choices, or incarceration. In practice, I suspect, SOMEONE has destroyed Strom’s future, and that certainly wasn’t Bill White.

    Three, in White’s defense, he has no need to “sow discord in our ranks.” Rather, the TRUTH, openly and repeatedly discussed, calls forth the natural fragmentation of all societies, and lets one and all see the difference, if any, between what someone says, what they mean, what they preach, and what they practice.

    GWM wrote:
    And through a strange double standard, many of you are willing to set aside the many well-founded reservations you should have about Bill White’s character, because, after all, the message is one thing and the character of the messenger is another. But then you turn around and claim that a person like Kevin Strom, who is definitely weird, but for all we know so far, may have kept his wierdness entirely in the realm of fantasy, cannot be associated with our cause, because any reservations about his character automatically impeach his message.

    In reply:
    Why do you seek to disparage Bill White, and thus shift the focus from Kevin Alfred Strom?

    Of greater import is to transcend the mere issues of personalities, and to focus on the opportunity this presents us, the Men of the West, to develop an organic response consistent with our cultural and RACIAL heritage, to the issue of RACIAL greatness.

    GWM wrote:
    What a strange race we are.

    In reply:
    As for being “strange,” well, being a homosexual, your future in developing our RACE seems rather limited.

    Why are you so concerned about Kevin Alfred Strom, and speak of him far more than you do the RACE, or the RACIAL issues that are being crystallized for us, and our posterity?

    GWM wrote:
    If our race’s survival and flourishing really are our main concern, then I think it would be a lot more difficult to set us at one another’s throats.

    In reply:
    Historically, the focus with the “Movement” has been toward organizations that did little for us, or truly effective men who were neutralized, one way or another.

    The shift from inorganic “Movement” to organic “Cause” allows us to replace the cult of personality, with a focus on what we can do, individually, on behalf of our children, our posterity, our RACE.

    The acceptance of that moral responsibility leads organically to true power, of the kind that is organic, substantive, and lasting; whether we start with Alex Linder’s single-minded focus on our RACIAL enemy, Peter Shank’s demonstration of how the so-called “New World Order” is actually a JEW World Order, Bob Whitaker’s broad-focused “brass tacks” analysis of the issues we face, Bill White’s developing a uniquely American intellectual framework for a National Socialist organization, or Harold Covington’s National Socialist Nation in a future American Republic, will be up to US, for a change.

    The issue is far more important than Kevin Alfred Strom, and his current misfortunes.

    The issue is RACE.

    New America

    An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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76. George Taylor Says:
    16 January, 2007 at 5:34 am

    Mr. Alex Linder,

    I neither support nor do I disparage the valiant efforts of those such as Bill White, yourself, or even Kevin Alfred Strom on behalf of the White race, though I confess that I do not particularly care for Mr. Strom, and I never did. Mr. Strom is definitely an oddball, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he were a pedophile of sorts, though I am hoping I am wrong in this regard; such disgusting actions reflect badly upon White Nationalism.

    All of that aside, young Mr. White strikes me as suspect due to his purported history as an anarchist and communist.

    Ergo, I do not find him (Mr. White) trustworthy in a leadership position regarding White Nationalism, and I probably never will. He is much too ignorant, arrogant and sanctimoneous. In my opinion, he does not have enough years in our collective struggle to be worthy of such attention; he is no William Pierce. Dr. Pierce was an educated man; Mr. White is not. As for young Mr. White’s opinion of what I may have to say, I do not care what he may think of my remarks; for a leopard cannot change its spots.

    That said, I must point out that some of Mr. White’s observations strike me as very ill-informed, id est, regarding the religion of Islam. For the record, I am an atheist, and have been an atheist for all of my life. Religion is man’s dubious attempt to explain the inexplicable; all of such dogmatic ontological sophistry is rooted in nothing. In my younger years I studied philosophy and comparative religion, and Mr. White’s remarks with regard to Islamic respect for the virtue of female children, or any other children for that matter, strains credulity.

    Bluntly: Mohammed, Prophet of Islam, was in fact a pedophile, he was at first betrothed, and later married, a girl named Aisha, daughter of Abu Bakr. She was six years of age at the time of betrothal, nine years of age at her marriage, and the marriage was consummated when she was nine years of age. Mohammed was 54 at the time. Mohammed and his cohorts also practiced pederasty; id est, sexual contact between men and boys.

    Many people believe that because Moslems despise Jews, they are friends of the White race. I loathe Jews too, but I equally detest Moslems. Simply remember that the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.

    In closing, I candidly suggest that young Mr. White should pause and research his data more thoroughly, before posting such inaccurate commentary. It makes him appear ignorant to those of us who are educated. Perhaps he will find that by consulting the Hadiths (biographical histories of Mohammed Ibn Abdullah), he, and you as well, will find that my blunt assertions are true.

    Kind Regards,

    George Taylor

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77. -JC Says:
    16 January, 2007 at 9:56 am

    Everyone has made mistakes. Everyone has baggage. Someone once said something like that if one is not liberal in his youth then he has no heart amd. if not conservative in manhood, then he has accumulated (accomplished, acquired) nothing. That resonated in me, having emotionally bought-into much emotional propaganda in my university days as a starving student. I recall how cynically and professorial-centric was the presentation of Comparative Religions (Philosophy 7). Most philosophy and other so called professors at my state university were considerably left of the mean and athiests if not communists, whether they recognized it or not. Many were Jews. I’ve said this many times before and it is my only negative criticism of VNN: I would not disparage religion for any number of reasons. It is the particular folly of youth to think they know it all and think to discount convention, traditional morality, the motivations and underpinnings of much that is valuable in civilization, etc., rather than conserve them.

    Jeremiah was quoted above in a little less than this context: “And if thou say in thine heart, Wherefore come these things upon me? For the greatness of thine iniquity are thy skirts discovered, and thy heels made bare. Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil. Therefore will I scatter them as the stubble that passeth away by the wind of the wilderness. This is thy lot, the portion of thy measures from me, saith the LORD; because thou hast forgotten me, and trusted in falsehood.”

    That said, I think it is a waste of time to give much consideration to ADMITTED homosexuals any more than pedophiles. Among decent men, like it or not, sexual deviants may be allowed to live but they will not be considered leaders. I think that is the fatal flaw in the Catholic priesthood: Those inclined against marriage are either going to be inclined toward nuns or alterboys; better to appoint leaders with openly normal desires and lives. not to mention a personal investment in the future through their offspring. I think this natural male aversion to deviance has survival value for the race and those promoting tolerance and diversity, e.g., feminism, lesbianism, gay, and (God help us) transgendered behavior in our midst, not to mention race (breed, subspecies, whatever) are perverting the most critical of our instincts toward preserving good breeding. It is one thing to have a pet dog of questionable lineage, especially when much stupidity favoring form over function, for example, has gone into the artificial selection. But, it is quite another to expect to breed a farm dog from a German Shepherd (working breed) with a Black Lab (sporting/bird dog) and expect none will be inclined to kill chickens.

    A little common sense, please: Why would one want to appoint a eunuch, for whatever reasons he is a eunuch, to a professorial or governmental position on population policy? Clinton, if I recall correctly, in his zeal to court the loose coalition of various sexual perverts and People of Color, appointed a lesbian as head of Health & Human Services. One wonders at whether there is intelligent life on earth.

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78. Miss Pelled Says:
    16 January, 2007 at 11:56 am

    “alterboys”

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79. Nxhiku Says:
    16 January, 2007 at 12:54 pm

    In response to Mr. George Taylor’s suggestion that one should study the Hadith (collected sayings and doings of the prophet Muhammed): In reading the Hadiths, we should remember that not all Muslims believe in or follow every single Hadith. Some Hadiths are viewed as being impossible to prove as having come from the Prophet Muhammed himself (referred to as “weak Hadith”). Some Muslims believe in the authenticity of some Hadiths, but not others. There are even Muslims who do not believe in any Hadiths at all. These latter cite portions of Holy Quran to back up their claim that relying on Hadiths is un-Islamic. They state that the only true Hadith that a believer needs is the Holy Quran itself. Even among Muslims who put stock in the validity of Hadiths, it is usually the rule that the Holy Quran should always take precedence above and beyond any Hadith (i.e. actions and sayings of Prophet Muhammed that were recorded outside of Holy Quran). A good example of Hadith being used to justify the continued practice of un-Islamic activity is how there are no favorable mentions of genital mutilation/circumcision in the Quran, (written in the Prophet Mohammed’s lifetime) but there are Hadith that were written sometimes centuries after His death that claim to quote Him as speaking in favor of such cruel practices. So what is to be believed? Well, all we have to do is consult the Quran and see that beyond not even mentioning circumcision as positive or even lawful, there are actually some verses which speak against unnecessarily harming the body of oneself or others. There is also mention in Holy Quran that the human body was created perfectly by God and does not need to be/shouldn’t be unnecessarily cut, gouged, burned etc; As far as the accusation that the second wife of Prophet Muhammed whose name was Aisha was a child (by some accounts she was actually 15 but this is still very young) and this would mean that He was some sort of paedophile, Let’s look at it this way: Marriage does not necessitate sexual activity between the Husband and Wife. Between some Husbands and Wives there is no sexual activity at all. This can be for a variety of reasons and in the Prophet Muhammed’s case the reason would have been the age of Aisha who by any account was still very young. Of course, I myself am not advocating people marrying that young nowadays.

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80. New America Says:
    16 January, 2007 at 2:10 pm

    in reply to -JC:
    JC wrote:

    Everyone has made mistakes. Everyone has baggage. Someone once said something like that if one is not liberal in his youth then he has no heart amd. if not conservative in manhood, then he has accumulated (accomplished, acquired) nothing. That resonated in me, having emotionally bought-into much emotional propaganda in my university days as a starving student. I recall how cynically and professorial-centric was the presentation of Comparative Religions (Philosophy 7). Most philosophy and other so called professors at my state university were considerably left of the mean and athiests if not communists, whether they recognized it or not. Many were Jews. I’ve said this many times before and it is my only negative criticism of VNN: I would not disparage religion for any number of reasons. It is the particular folly of youth to think they know it all and think to discount convention, traditional morality, the motivations and underpinnings of much that is valuable in civilization, etc., rather than conserve them.

    Jeremiah was quoted above in a little less than this context: “And if thou say in thine heart, Wherefore come these things upon me? For the greatness of thine iniquity are thy skirts discovered, and thy heels made bare. Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil. Therefore will I scatter them as the stubble that passeth away by the wind of the wilderness. This is thy lot, the portion of thy measures from me, saith the LORD; because thou hast forgotten me, and trusted in falsehood.”

    in reply:
    Might I suggest that it is religions that must be constructively criticized, most of all?

    Their leadership claims to speak on behalf of a man they have never met, on behalf of a God they could not begin to fully understand.

    The problem is, each religions tends to reject the dynamic unfolding of God’s revelation to Man – “line upon line, precept upon precept.”

    Each religion must be rigorously examined, with strong vigor.

    Indeed, the unwillingness to accept change forces a retreat into fanaticism, today, and decadence – and irrelevance – tomorrow.

    Goddamn JUDAISM, for example, claims to be a religion; yet, the more closely you examine it, the more it is nothing more than a tool for one tribe, one RACE, to control and dominate others. If we did not rigorously question their created word, JUDEOChristianity, for example, we would not understand that this word was deliberately crafted as a propaganda tool, based on a literal oxymoron. After all, goddamn JUDAISM and Christianity are two completely opposite, diametrically opposed, faiths, yet the goddamn JEWS encourage you to believe otherwise – indeed, the hook-nosed Satanists simply want you to accept Judaism as the foundation of Christianity, and not the more spiritually relevant religion of Zoroastrianism.

    -JC wrote:
    That said, I think it is a waste of time to give much consideration to ADMITTED homosexuals any more than pedophiles. Among decent men, like it or not, sexual deviants may be allowed to live but they will not be considered leaders. I think that is the fatal flaw in the Catholic priesthood: Those inclined against marriage are either going to be inclined toward nuns or alterboys; better to appoint leaders with openly normal desires and lives. not to mention a personal investment in the future through their offspring. I think this natural male aversion to deviance has survival value for the race and those promoting tolerance and diversity, e.g., feminism, lesbianism, gay, and (God help us) transgendered behavior in our midst, not to mention race (breed, subspecies, whatever) are perverting the most critical of our instincts toward preserving good breeding. It is one thing to have a pet dog of questionable lineage, especially when much stupidity favoring form over function, for example, has gone into the artificial selection. But, it is quite another to expect to breed a farm dog from a German Shepherd (working breed) with a Black Lab (sporting/bird dog) and expect none will be inclined to kill chickens.

    in reply:
    This paragraph began with the theme of tolerating perversion – “ADMITTED homosexuals” – and ended with where such tolerance always leads – the death of the innocents, and the destruction of the good by the Bad.

    If your example is so correct for mere canines, how much more correct is it for the negation of positive masculinity as a crucial factor in the development of Civilization?

    By definition, a homosexual is not simply the absence of a man; it is the the negation, displacement, and replacement of a real man – positive masculinity – with its exact opposite.

    Look at the experience of the Colored with welfare in the inner cities, starting with the War on Poverty. Men were replaced by their earning power equivalent; the unique spiritual qualities of men were removed from the Colored, and deviancy took unfettered flight. Drugs, casual whoredom, casual bastardy and massive illegitimacy, gangs on a scale to terrify, and no masculine teachers in the school system; indeed, no men, no positive male role models, to be found. Is there any doubt in your mind that homosexuality is rampant in the Colored community, and THAT is the intergenerational effect of removing real man, positive men, and replacing them with women, and homos.

    You probably notice the same factors at work in the white community, as well; indeed, one more generation should pretty much bring us to parity.

    -JC wrote:
    A little common sense, please: Why would one want to appoint a eunuch, for whatever reasons he is a eunuch, to a professorial or governmental position on population policy? Clinton, if I recall correctly, in his zeal to court the loose coalition of various sexual perverts and People of Color, appointed a lesbian as head of Health & Human Services. One wonders at whether there is intelligent life on earth.

    in reply:
    You would appoint such a person if you want to destroy an institution from within.

    Why would you allow pedophiles to be leaders of Boy Scout troops?

    Your SOLE purpose it to destroy, from within.

    That pretty much sums up the goddamn JEWS in America, doesn’t it?

    New America

    An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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81. clay Says:
    16 January, 2007 at 11:23 pm

    Did anyone take a serious look at the “contract”
    between Strom and his wife concerning alleged
    concerns with pedophilia? Bill “Whacky White”
    White had it posted on his rag. One problem:
    On the document Strom crossed out his appointment
    schedule from “every other week” and changed
    it to “twice a month” and initialed it. I may be intoxicated, but the last
    I knew biweekly meant twice a month. As I chided
    “Whacky White,” I’m sure if he ever locates the
    second page of the document Strom probably changed
    his appointment times from a quarter after 9:00 to 9:15.
    Bill “Whacky White” White responded to me by sending
    a link to a supposed search warrent for Strom’s computer;
    however, said warrant never gave Strom’s name or his
    address…and included a docket number handwritten in!
    Docket numbers are assigned to civil and criminal litigation
    after a case has been filed, not assigned to search warrants
    before a case has even been filed. Do not take too seriously the documents that “Whacky White” posts to his site.

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82. New America Says:
    17 January, 2007 at 2:23 am

    *sigh* Once again, Kevin’s defenders seem to be more focused on attacking Bill White, which is one thing, at the expense of the truth, which is something else.

    So…

    clay wrote:
    16 January, 2007 at 11:23 pm

    Did anyone take a serious look at the “contract”
    between Strom and his wife concerning alleged
    concerns with pedophilia? Bill “Whacky White”
    White had it posted on his rag. One problem:
    On the document Strom crossed out his appointment
    schedule from “every other week” and changed
    it to “twice a month” and initialed it. I may be intoxicated, but the last
    I knew biweekly meant twice a month.

    in reply:
    “Biweekly” does mean “every other week,” and is ONE WAY to interperet the terms, “twice a month.” However, if you fail to attend the sessions on the precise basis of “every other week,” you are in default of the agreement.

    However, an alternative of “twice a month” meets the spirit of “twice a month,” with the flexibility that minimizes the chances of being held in technical default of the agreement.

    clay wrote:
    As I chided “Whacky White,” I’m sure if he ever locates the
    second page of the document Strom probably changed
    his appointment times from a quarter after 9:00 to 9:15.
    Bill “Whacky White” White responded to me by sending
    a link to a supposed search warrent for Strom’s computer;
    however, said warrant never gave Strom’s name or his
    address…and included a docket number handwritten in!
    Docket numbers are assigned to civil and criminal litigation
    after a case has been filed, not assigned to search warrants
    before a case has even been filed. Do not take too seriously the documents that “Whacky White” posts to his site.

    in reply:
    Here’s an idea.

    Go to the courthouse website, and download the filings from the case directly, so you can see for yourself that Kevin is NOT in jail because of some “agreement.”

    No.

    From what I can see, the legal authorities have actually charged him with violations of the law. Certainly, these documents should be taken seriously by one and all; these documents, and the ones to follow.

    Here’s another idea:

    Contact Elisha Strom, and have her go on VNN or STROMfront Radio, live, and tell one and all whether or not the document White posted is authentic.

    I suspect that what seems to have been a marital dispute might well lead to a LOT more than fragmented .jpg files before this is all over.

    This, by the way, might be seen as a blessing in disguise (well, except for Kevin and Elisha, of course!). A lot of the remarkably unsuccessful Movement” is being removed, one way or another, and the organic development of “The Cause” – with a new, worthwhile, organically founded Leadership, is free to come forth, openly and honestly.

    Think the Stroms can pass the same test of openness and intellectual honesty that Linder and White can?

    Didn’t think so.

    Regardless, as this unfolds, I suspect more names associated with “the Movement’ and STROMfront will be coming to our attention, and it won’t be for anything anyone should be proud of.

    Incidentally, note that Strom’s defenders can come here and defend him, AND deviant sexual practices, AND attack Bill White, while their supporters at STROMfront close the thread dealing with Kevin’s misfortunes.

    Finally, a note of context: in the age of the Internet, so many people are developing creative alternatives to “the Movement” – Bill White’s National Socialist model of government for us, Harold Covinton’s novels dealing with the development of a National Socialist Nation in a future American Republic, VNN’s radio shows and local blogs – all without the support, or approval, of Kevin Alfred Strom or his associates at STROMfront.

    By the way, nobody at VNN signed on to the “New Orleans Protocol.”

    Did Elisha Strom?

    New America

    An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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83. George Taylor Says:
    17 January, 2007 at 4:05 am

    Nxhiku:

    For the record, there is absolutely no proof that a creature called god exists. I’m not going to get into a circle argument here – it is up to the believer to prove his or her beliefs, not for the unbeliever or atheist to offer proofs of his or her worldview.

    Ergo, you cannot prove that Allah exists, and never will be able to, so, for the present, we can simply agree to disagree on the subject of god.

    As for Mohammed’s pedophilia – I have had many arguments with Muslims regarding Aisha, Mohammed’s nine-year-old wife. According to various Hadiths, Mohammed consummated his marriage with her when she was nine years of age, not fifteen. The evasive “weak Hadith” argument notwithstanding, it is plain that Mohammed was a sexual deviate of some sort, for other Hadiths plainly state that Mohammed was bisexual; id est, having sexual encounters with one of his male slaves.

    One cannot simply “pick and choose” the canonical chronicles of any particular religion, according to one’s liking. Many do choose such a dubious avenue, but, according to their own “beliefs” it makes them “heretics” or hypocrites.

    Returning to Mohammed, the transitive verb “consummate” with regard to marriage means “coitus”, “intercourse” “sexual relations”, et cetera; in other words, to be blunt, Mohammed fucked Aisha when she was nine, period.

    Further, your remarks that the Koran is the “perfect” word of god also strains credulity: according to the Koran, the sun sets in a muddy pool. The Koran also states that man was created from either mud, clay, semen or blood, depending on whatever Sura one may peruse. Really, the god Allah must be stupid, or at the very least a bipolar schizophrenic.

    Now, please don’t think that I am singling out Islam as proof of man’s collective stupidity regarding ontology, you should read my opinions on Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, and a score of lesser faiths. I assure you, all of my opinions with regard to religion are pejorative, in line with H.L. Mencken or Revilo Oliver.

    Moving on, Mr. White’s posting of Strom’s alleged “contract” with Elisha strikes me a very poorly photoshopped hack job (please note that the upper and lower portions of the “contract” are slightly different in color and tone).

    Honestly, considering the position that the slowly perishing white race is in, such idiocy reminds me of the squabbling of moronic children. Enemies surround us, and a select group of ignorant jackasses prefer to fight among themselves. Verily, with “leaders” like this, we are doomed as a subspecies of those called man.

    Kind Regards,

    George Taylor

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84. New America Says:
    17 January, 2007 at 4:19 pm

    in reply (at least in part) to George Taylor:

    George Taylor wrote:
    *snip*
    Moving on, Mr. White’s posting of Strom’s alleged “contract” with Elisha strikes me a very poorly photoshopped hack job (please note that the upper and lower portions of the “contract” are slightly different in color and tone).

    in reply:
    If this “alleged ‘contract’” between Kevin and Elisha Strom is a “very poorly photoshopped hack job,” it is the work of one phone call from Elisha to STROMfront or VNN to discredit it. She certainly didn’t call VNN last night, when she had all of the opportunities to do so…

    I haven’t heard that phone call, or seen her repudiate it, either on STROMfront or on VNN.

    Relax, George; after all that is going on with l’affaire Strom, we should be seeing and hearing all manner of truly exciting tales in the weeks and months to come.

    All of these, of course, will simply prove Alex Linder is right; the day of “the Movement,” with one all-knowing Leader, is OVER.

    George Taylor wrote:
    Honestly, considering the position that the slowly perishing white race is in, such idiocy reminds me of the squabbling of moronic children. Enemies surround us, and a select group of ignorant jackasses prefer to fight among themselves. Verily, with “leaders” like this, we are doomed as a subspecies of those called man.

    in reply:
    This is a very substantial point.

    How many of us went how far, for how long, through conventional politics, conservatism, libertarianism, what have you, to finally realize the ONE INSIGHT that gives the goddamn JEWS so much success:

    It ALL comes down to RACE.

    EVERYTHING after that is a footnote.

    This is the Mindset the hook-nosed Satanists carry into all situations, the one tool that WORKS, and the one tool we reject for ourselves.

    The good news is, we are finally accepting the responsibility to be what we want the world to become.

    New America

    An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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85. Bill White Says:
    17 January, 2007 at 7:39 pm

    “Perhaps I was mistaken, Bitch Tits. May I call you Bitch? I keep forgetting you’re manic-depressive. One moment, completely intelligible and comprehensible. The next, outing peoples credit card numbers and locking Linder out of his own website.”

    You drunken fruitcake. Go drown yourself in another bottle of Jim Bean. Or, if you get up to it, climb out of your mountain hideout and see if enough of your Special Forces training can come through the haze to take me out.

    Loud mouth wanna be tough guys with a history of drunken vicious acts are a dime a dozen. At least I make money off of my neighborhood of ‘em. I don’t know what Alex gets keeping a forum full.

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86. George Taylor Says:
    17 January, 2007 at 9:32 pm

    Typical inane, pointless, ad hominem diatribe coming from the poison pen of young Mr. White, written as the white race continues to sink like the Titanic. I submit that my point is proven, Q.E.D.

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87. clay Says:
    18 January, 2007 at 12:06 am

    NA,
    You missed the simple point of my posting.
    I am not advocating on behalf of Strom, nor am I defending
    any act of sexual aberration, nor am I condemning
    Strom until the evidence is in. I was simply pointing
    out the fact that one needs to take the postings of Whacky
    White with a grain of salt given the fact that he has
    attacked virtually all WNs of any standing whatsoever,
    including the host of this website, disseminates brazen lies
    on his rag…and walks away from 60-mile-an-hour vehicular
    impacts “without a scratch.”

    Further, possibly you could elucidate me on your keen
    observation that: “However, an alternative of ‘twice a month’
    meets the spirit of ‘twice a month…’” Possibly when you were
    opining such an oxymoron you were under the deluded belief
    that such a statement would make it into the Babylonian Talmud
    for future generations of rabbinical Jews to debate.

    Finally, no, NA, the contents of court files, be they civil
    or be they criminal, are not typically freely disseminated on the
    internet.

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88. New America Says:
    18 January, 2007 at 12:09 am

    in (partial) reply to George Taylor, tying this back to the topic:

    George Taylor Says:

    *snip*written as the white race continues to sink like the Titanic. I submit that my point is proven, Q.E.D.

    in reply:
    This is, in part, what separates the “VANGUARD” News Network from the balance of “White Nationalist” organizations.

    VNN seems to paraphrase the idea that, just as everything with a face is not human, everything that is Caucasian is not “White”; more on point, that most of those who call themselves “White” are defining their RACE solely in terms of “White” genetics.

    Nonsense.

    I suspect that a substantial minority of the “White” population is the best we can hope for; given our present circumstances, we just might be leaving a substantial majority of our nominally racial brethren what they say they want, until they want what only we have to offer.

    And what do we have to offer?

    One, we offer the cold, hard, disciplined ruthlessness needed to see clearly and act honestly on the central issue of RACE, in particular, RACE as the Living Bridge between Family and Culture – WESTERN Culture, and WESTERN Civilization.

    Two, we offer no illusions as to the generations of focused, disciplined efforts we need to get to where we need to be – Our RACE, in Our NATION, in Our COUNTRY.

    Three, this includes the realization that no central organization has “the Answer,” and the only source of true power is the acceptance of our personal responsibility to our RACE, first, foremost, forever.

    This requires a degree of openness to criticism, intellectual honesty, and moral clarity that has been the case among our “Leadership,” more as the rare exception, than the rule.

    These are qualities that Stormfront’s transformation (by censorship) into STROMfront shows how rare they are, in practice, and how necessary they are, in practice.

    As always, don’t take my word for it.

    Ask Kevin and Elisha Strom.

    New America

    An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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89. Bill Wite Says:
    18 January, 2007 at 5:35 am

    Haha that\’s right you white soy goy (we will see if all your goy boys and girls have big milky err soyey titties in 30 years or so) I make money off them putzes! You fucking stupid white goy boy! I can slum around to fix your leaky fosset, but dont be suprised if I leave your toilet broken and your lemonade pitcher is a little fuller too.

    You can call me a self styled Communist, a self styled Anarchist, and a very self styled \”Communist/Social Nationist\”, but dont call me a self styled jew as that crank Ben Freedman put it. Nothing self styled about it. Ya K\’hurd. Dont cuse me of being half coherent and going to a battle of wits unArmenied, Turkey.

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90. jack_boots Says:
    18 January, 2007 at 7:21 am

    You know, I thought ol Bitch Tits was going off on one of his estrogen inspired rages when he accused StromFront of being by pedophiles. But after reading about this involvement with convicted pedophile pervert Joe Fields, and Kevin Storm I can say even if they all dont molest children, they do all associate with child molestors, and [i]watch out for them[/i]

    Donnie Black has banned as many people from ShalomFront as Fields has been convicted of pedophilia, which is about half a dozen. I suppose like Jerry\’s jewy wife, and JJT, Fields is just [i]beyond reproach[/i]

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91. Eumaeus Says:
    18 January, 2007 at 10:49 am

    check this boon groid “lawyer” out who was molesting a 14 year old IN the courthouse!:

    http://www.nbc10.com/news/10761790/detail.html

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92. -JC Says:
    18 January, 2007 at 12:15 pm

    When I was growing-up in rural Northern Virginia, during the era protrayed in The Good Shepherd, one occasionally heard, “That was White of you.” It meant decent, civilized.

    When Matt Damon’s character, a fictional-version of Angleton spun to as to have no apparent connection to Israeli intelligence, confronts the reality that his son was photographed and taped with a Black, Soviet asset, whom he planned to marry, something interesting happens. Damon’s Soviet counterpart allows Damon space and dignity, acknowledging that he understands Damon does not want the woman in his family, and– for free– has the young woman pushed from the plane in which she is flying to the wedding. That was “White” of the Russian, if ever I’ve seen White. I agree that we need to understand who our people actually are and who are our enemies, regardless of their genetics.

    DeNiro, like Gibson, too left-leaning for my taste, frequently has a lot to say about the big picture however, top ratings not necessarily withstanding. Both, I think, get people thinking and it is not necessarily bad that they take substantial liberties with facts. For example, what if Gibson had attempted to point-out that Longshanks wasn’t all bad and was responsible for getting the Jews out of business and the nation?

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93. New America Says:
    18 January, 2007 at 4:06 pm

    in response to clay:

    clay wrote:

    NA,
    You missed the simple point of my posting.
    I am not advocating on behalf of Strom, nor am I defending
    any act of sexual aberration, nor am I condemning
    Strom until the evidence is in. I was simply pointing
    out the fact that one needs to take the postings of Whacky
    White with a grain of salt given the fact that he has
    attacked virtually all WNs of any standing whatsoever,
    including the host of this website, disseminates brazen lies
    on his rag…and walks away from 60-mile-an-hour vehicular
    impacts “without a scratch.”

    in reply:
    You have also shifted the subject from (1) Kevin Strom’s Adventures In Incarceration, and (2) Stromfront’s transformation into STROMfront, and the functional equivalent of censorship on behalf of their fair-haired boy, into an “attack Bill White” diatribe.

    There is a simply test for Bill White’s posting – just call Elisha Strom and have her tell STROMfront, and VNN, that the publication is a falsehood; there was no such agreement concering either marital counseling, or counseling for dealing with issues related to pedophilia.

    It seems Elisha has not made that phone call; incidentally, didn’t White get this document from STROMfront?

    clay wrote:
    Further, possibly you could elucidate me on your keen
    observation that: “However, an alternative of ‘twice a month’
    meets the spirit of ‘twice a month…’” Possibly when you were
    opining such an oxymoron you were under the deluded belief
    that such a statement would make it into the Babylonian Talmud
    for future generations of rabbinical Jews to debate.

    in reply:
    No, under a contract where the parties agree to do something “twice a month,” that means, literally, twice in a month’s time; this MAY be interpreted as “once every two weeks,” but it is clearly interpreted as what it clearly says – “twice a month.”

    clay wrote:
    Finally, no, NA, the contents of court files, be they civil
    or be they criminal, are not typically freely disseminated on the
    internet.

    in reply:
    There is precious little that is “typical” about l’affaire Strom; however, you can go to the courthouse, get copies of all filings, and post them on the Internet.

    Now, any guesses as to how this will turn out?

    Two guesses:

    One, badly for Elisha.

    Two, worse – much worse – for Kevin.

    The Lessons Learned?

    One, in the words of Alex Linder, “Absolutely no one in the ‘Movement’ is to be trusted absolutely.”

    Two, in the words of Dr. David Duke, “ANYONE ever comes up to you and suggests something remotely illegal, speak loudly enough so their hidden microphone will pick it up, and say, ‘I don’t know what you are talking about!’ Then, WALK AWAY from them. If they follow you, tell them to stop, or you will go to the police.”

    If Matt Hale had followed this excellent advice, he would be a free man today.

    You can draw your own conclusions about Kevin Alfred Strom.

    Kevin Alfred Strom, and, it would seem, several people associate with STROMfront.

    In the alternative, let’s not be victims.

    Let’s look at the ideas of Alex Linder, Peter Shank, Bob Whitaker, Bill White’s idea for a National Socialist Society, and Harold Covington’s ideas for a National Socialist NATION, the White HOMELAND, as part of a future American republic.

    Then, let’s think RACIALLY, and act LOCALLY.

    New America

    An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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94. 131488WOLF131488 Says:
    19 January, 2007 at 2:02 pm

    “Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking together in the same direction.”
    – Antoine de Saint-Exupery
    Thought I’d throw that out there!
    14/88!!!

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95. Antagonistes Says:
    21 January, 2007 at 6:02 pm

    I have never met Kevin, but I have never inferred from his writings or broadcasts that he was anything other than a gentleman, highly moral, and highly intelligent.

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96. New America Says:
    21 January, 2007 at 11:33 pm

    in reply:

    Antagonistes made an excellent point, which, under the circumstances, doesn’t seem to matter all that much.

    I suspect that the greater issue is not whether or no Kevin is guilty of possessing and distributing certain pictures, or even whether or not he entered into a contractual agreement to seek counseling for pedophilia. (Although Elisha still doesn’t seem to have contacted Stormfront or VNN to dispute the photo or such a contract, or even the existence of such a contract.)

    No, the issue is not even freedom of expression concerning the topic of Kevin’s recent Adventures In Incarceration.

    The issue is, and this expresses the issue in a quite elegant microcosm, what exactly is the future of the “White Nationalist ‘Movement,’” which seems to have gained new life, and purpose, as “the Cause.”

    The old model of hierarchical structures has been replaced, and the ability to quickly create connections, gain information, and test hypotheses, is allowing us to go around the mechanistic model of the past, into something that is more organic, and much more stable, in its own way.

    Think of the old hierarchy as being like a dam – everything went one way, the flow of information and resources went one way, and everything was at the mercy of whoever controlled the floodgates.

    Those days are OVER, and, while I take nothing away from Kevin’s skills as a propagandist – his tracks for the National Vanguard are masterful (“Whatever happened to us?”), and as analyst and as a speechwriter, it is no less true that fifty years ago his incarceration would have been a stunning body blow to us.

    Instead, we flow around him, and grow, in his absence.

    Frank Roman’s work for National Vanguard stands on its own merits, filling the gap of Kevin’s absence – that gap, and more.

    We are growing, and we are growing quickly – once people can accept the Truth, and SEE the common thread of RACE defining so much, they come to accept us, in part, today, and in whole, tomorrow. In time, they move form tolerance, to acceptance, to participation, and create a greater unity than we could ever have in earlier times.

    Incidentally, might we look at l’affaire Strom in one light that many of us refuse to accept, and that is to imagine what Kevin might have done, what he might have become, if he had forsworn, in Alex Linder’s elegant formulation, “the paste jewel of middle-class respectability?”

    No wives, no children, but the children of a Nation yet to be as his intellectual heirs…

    I suspect he still, at this late date, has two choices.

    One choice is to remain broken on the wheel of the System, forever scorned, forever mocked, and essentially fated to jobs well beneath his abilities forever.

    The other choice is to recognize that a man with nothing has nothing to lose, and work constructively on constructively abandoning what has already abandoned him, the elements of “the paste jewel of middle-class respectability.”

    I don’t presume to know what he should do; however, when you have lost everything you valued, you soon realize who your friends are – you won’t need to fingers of one hand to count them – and how little time you have to accomplish anything, and how few moments you can afford to waste.

    I suspect, taking nothing away from Kevin, that he has misspent decades trying to serve two masters – “the paste jewel of middle-class respectability,” and the future of the White RACE.

    I suspect the one has been forever foreclosed to him, and he can start over on the other Path, or live a miserable existence trying to put new wine in old bottles.

    I am offering this idea in the belief that you have a moral duty to not just criticize, but to constructively criticize, by offering solutions, however frail they may seem.

    At the Institutional level, the water has flowed around the dam of Stromfront, bringing new life to the parched lands over which it flows.

    VNN has been criticized for being straightforward, no-compromise, straight-ahead full-on fighters; more like UFC than the dancers of Stormfront.

    Ten years ago, it was inconceivable that VNN would even draw attention, much less a rapidly growing audience.

    I think it is due, in part, because VNN is like Nature; it is fairly ruthless in its defense of its prerogatives, and puts RACE first by identifying the Prime Threat to the RACE without compromise.

    I think if Pierce walked the Earth today, he would be on Free Talk Live almost daily. He rejected “the paste jewel of middle-class respectability” to serve his RACE, under harsh and trying circumstances.

    I also think if Pierce walked the Earth today, he would take Kevin aside and tell him he can not serve two masters; he would have to choose, and choose now.

    I also think if Pierce walked the Earth today, he would forego the attempt for trying to reach the masses – the ones who will matter will be led to the Truth, sooner or later, one way or another, and VNN will be there reminding them of the Real Enemy, and the Eternal Battle.

    This response has rambled a bit, and I’m sorry for that, but I think this is a pivotal moment for us, the moment where we take the first steps out of the crib of “the Movement,” and develop “the Cause” as a living spiritual force in our lives.

    Kevin’s situation says a lot; unspoken, it says much more, I think, about the folly of pursuing “the paste jewel of middle-class respectability” than many of us feel comfortable dealing with.

    I suspect it is an issue we shall all have to deal with, one way or another, all too soon, as the middle-class becomes the lower class, and a rapidly expanding underclass sweeps all they value underfoot, never to return without a hard struggle, ultimately leading to a new NATION in our hearts, a new RACE in our souls, and a new place where we, and our posterity, can live in peace, and none will make afraid.

    New America

    An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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97. Antagonistes Says:
    22 January, 2007 at 12:13 pm

    Beautifully expressed, New America.

    I personally hope that Kevin could take his considerable verbal skills and write white nationalist fiction or even fantasy (with a WN theme) [Kevin once expressed to me that he likes the works of Lord Dunsany, as do I].

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98. 131488WOLF131488 Says:
    22 January, 2007 at 12:44 pm

    Written by an anonyomous supporter:

    THE BAD-MOUTHER

    Around the bonfire, in the midst of a small group, or even on the front liner or at the top of a group or organisation, there sits the potential for a cunning & crafty lipped devil. The type of person who only talks bad about other people in the White Power movement. This person says one thing to one person & say a completely contradictory thing to another person. His lips are constantly flapping. A veritable soap opera of never ending double talk, innuendo, rumour mongering & manoeuvring constitutes this persons’ entire universe. They have one goal & one goal only: to uplift themselves by destroying others in the movement. Usually this person cares nothing for the movement or his/her race. They are probably profiteers, leeches & bloodsuckers who have a financial interest as a primary motivator. They blame their own inadequacies on others. They cover their own mistakes by pointing fingers. They can never take responsibilities for their actions because the bad-mouther is a pathological liar who believes his own lies. They are obsessively covetous. Any attempt to alert the bad-mouther of his ways will only be seen by the bad-mouther as part of the game, another ploy in the chess match. Years of therapy might help unravel the meandering maze of this sick mind… but l doubt it… because the bad-mouther’s whole world is built on a foundation of lies. The truth is only seen as a crack in the foundation & must be patched up with whatever is available. Usually its the crap bucket of more lies that acts as mortar for the bad-mouther. lf the bad-mouther ever ever began to admit to his/her ways, it could very well lead to a complete nervous breakdown. You see, the entire psyche of the bad-mouther is built upon the rotten edifice of lies & delusions. An intricate web of self deceit & false images prop up the false sense of self-worth this type of person needs to confirm their pathetic existence. The bad-mouther will lose many hours of sleep obsessing on how to undermine others he is jealous of or covetous of. The bad-mouther perceives more talented people as a threat. He thinks of them as enemies unless he can use them to his/her benefit. He/she might think to themselves “how dare that asshole make that project. He thinks he’s so smart, l’ll show him!” The bad-mouther assumes that other people are playing the same game as he is. That’s what justifies his actions, in short “I’ll get him before he gets me!”

    The bad-mouther has very low self esteem. Deep down behind walls of detours, the bad-mouther knows what he is. He/she sees the successes of others as a threat to their own personal self worth. You will notice the bad-mouther saying the most absurd things about others in the movement that have achieved more than they have. People in the movement have got to be happy when others succeed. lf you can’t be happy at that, the movement doesn’t need you around. lf you can’t share the joys of someone else’s growth then you should look at yourself in the mirror & not subject others to ridicule & scorn because you’re a jealous little snot with a nose full of acne.

    The bottom line: When you hear a person badmouthing others in the movement challenge his/her statements. The common things you’ll hear are “He’s a Jew”. “He’s a fed.” “She’s a commie.” “He’s a pervert.” “He said this or she said that.” “He hit on my girlfriend/wife.” “She’s a slut.” ad. nauseum. The bad-mouther will usually tell you these things under the guise of strict confidence. The bad-mouther will usually tell someone else something about you under the same guise of confidence. Thus does the bad-mouther weave his diabolical web. Every one becomes suspicious. No one sits down and adds 2+2. But at the centre of it all the manipulating bad-mouther benefiting from the situation. He rules by misinformation & double talk. Subterfuge is his middle name. He/she is often very convincing but there are usually no facts backing up his statements except “trust me” when pushed for specifics, the bad-mouther becomes very angry. Try it.

    bad-mouthers are sick pathological lying destroyers who out of jealousy & low self esteem will stop at nothing to preserve their self erected soap opera dung-house of delusions. They have no talent so they lash out at those who do. They are the most potentially damaging individuals lurking in the movement today. (Wolves in sheep’s clothing) They are worse than the Jew because so many people believe the lies of the bad-mouther. There is no place now nor will there ever be for this type of disease wasted flesh. Stop them now or you could very well be the next victim of their vicious campaign of lies, Avoid them like the plague, The bad-mouther is the bastard son of the Jew. He/she is worse than ZOG, Losers will lose everything unless they keep their forked tongue disease infested rat traps shut!

    Note: This articles’ intent is not to indict any specific individual or person or persons, it’s purpose is solely to reflect the opinion of the author concerning a growing phenomenon within the general movement. Furthermore, there is obviously a discernible difference between the methodology of badmouthing & ho0nest enquiry as to the nature of groups & individuals. Asking a respected comrade his or her opinion in regard to groups & individuals is quite different from the defamation the bad-mouther employs. I’m confident that our readers are agile enough to interpret one from another.

    Addendum Just to point out… when referring to the bad-mouther the authoress is identifying someone who believes themselves to be a loyal white warrior. Even though there are a growing number of traitors & spies in our movement, this article pinpoints & focuses on one particular psychological manifestation.

    THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO TO THE bad-mouther IS TO IGNORE HIM. WITHOUT A VERBAL OUTLET (ENABLE HIS UNIVERSE OF MISINFORMATION WILL IMPLODE, RENDERING HIM IMPOTENT & EXPOSED. NONSENSE WILL BECOME HIS ONLY FRIEND. DELUSION HIS ONLY RETREAT. DEATH HIS ONLY PEACE.

    With acknowledgement to the NSM, PO Box 580669, Minneapolis, Mn. 55458, USA

    In The Awakening of White America(THE WHITE WORLD!!!)
    Wolf
    14/88!!!
    (Any news on Matt Downing?)

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99. bryan o'driscoll Says:
    22 January, 2007 at 2:08 pm

    Bravo New America! Well said. At present any rigid structures for the white cause are simply targets for the enemy. The organic model you refer to will be more adaptable and robust in the long run. It’s not the time for a great leader to come forward for us yet. The situation will get much worse before that happens. We might feel sometimes that we have lost one of our gurus who is irreplaceable, but the time when you could only get the information you thirsted for from a few sources is past. There is a river of information which leads to the truth out there now and more of our people are dipping into it all the time. The kikes’ edifice of lies is being undermined as more thinking whites become aware that they have been misled.
    Middle-class respectability was always a false haven anyway, and it is soon to become irrelevant as the struggle becomes more physical. Then we will only have one choice: for the Cause or against it; no opting out.

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100. Antagonistes Says:
     22 January, 2007 at 7:14 pm

     As regards leaders–

     I have been reading, on the internet, the book entitled, The Religious Attitude of the Indo-Europeans, by Professor Gunther.

     They (we) did not put much stock in “leaders,” especially in matters of religion and conscience. And the “leaders” that they did acknowledge were proven in the nitty-gritty of everyday life.

     It is as if they are saying, Every Aryan man can find the truth; no messiahs, no special revelations needed.

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101. New America Says:
     22 January, 2007 at 7:48 pm

     A fascinating theme has developed from antagonistes, wold, and bryan o’driscoll.

     It just might be that Kevin has a chance to rebuild his life from zero, into something rather more substantial, by admitting to himself that, outside STROMfront, he has nothing to go back to.

     He might admit his dreams of a “Movement” belong in the realm of Fantasy, for now, and devote his efforts towards being an honest STUDENT of WN ideas, and a Voice to defend those ideas in larger forums.

     If I could ascribe his downfall – and “downfall” is an understatement! – to anything, it might be the pursuit of “the paste jewel of middle-class respectability.”

     Well, for Kevin Alfred Strom, those days are OVER!

     He literally has nothing left – nothing, and nothing to lose, absent the possibility of incarceration for a LONG time.

     And, even if he pulls big time, then what?

     He does have a CHOICE; remember, anyone who knows him will never trust him, on anything.

     He can finally do what has been in his heart, which is to read, write, and comment on the issues facing us as a RACE.

     Freed up from responsibilities which seemed rather inappropriate to him, he can follow in the footsteps of others, and help build a pathway to RACIAL greatness.

     One thing is sure – he’s going to have a lot of time on his hands, one way or another.

     He might as well invest it in a Grand Purpose, and what greater Purpose can there be, than enhancing the growth of your RACE?

     And, as for “the paste jewel of middle-class respectability?”

     We see what a horrific price he has paid for that illusion.

     Now, so does he.

     New America

     An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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102. clay Says:
     23 January, 2007 at 4:01 pm

     Wolfie,

     Excellent psychoanalysis of Bill “Whacky White” White!

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103. -JC Says:
     31 January, 2007 at 4:32 pm

     AIDS SECRETS: What the Government and the Media Don’t Want You to Know
     by Kevin Alfred Strom
     (a speech given by Mr. Strom on the nationwide radio program, AMERICAN DISSIDENT VOICES, July 10th, 1993)
     WHAT I AM GOING TO SAY will shock you. It will disturb your sleep. It will make you worry for your loved ones. It will give you nightmares of disaster, plague, and horrible death. It will make you rethink the priorities of your life. It will change the way you look at yourself and the world. There is a killer loose in the land. This killer cuts down all whom he touches. If he touches you, you will die. If he touches your child, your child will die. His victims die a slow, horrible death. They waste away. They drown in their own body fluids. They lose control of their bowels. They lose their memories. They become demented. They die in agony. There is nothing that can be done to save them.
     The killer’s name is the Human Immunodeficiency Virus, or HIV for short. When he starts to kill you, it is said that you have AIDS, or Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. This killer emerged into our world over a decade ago, rising like an angel of death out of the oozing rivers of body fluids that spilled like fetid waterfalls into the streets of America from the sick and sleazy pleasure houses of the “liberated” homosexuals.
     When a killer like HIV is stalking the landscape, one would assume that the guardians of the public health would be galvanized into action, taking any and all measures to protect the uninfected from coming into contact with this killer.
     But the medical establishment and the public health authorities are not taking such action. In fact, most of their efforts are directed toward protecting the so-called “confidentiality” of the infected rather than toward isolating and preventing the further transmission of the virus. They withhold vital information about AIDS which could save millions of lives. By their acts of omission and commission they have become, in effect, the protectors and guardians of this killer virus. And as such, they may well become your murderers. Or your child’s murderers.
     Why are we being betrayed and lied to by those who are paid with our tax money to protect us? It has been well-documented, on this program and elsewhere, that the tremendous power of organized homosexuals (which reaches even into the White House, as President Clinton’s appointments and policies make clear) holds most of our craven and criminal politicians in thrall. And it should be obvious to Americans still capable of thinking for themselves that the homosexuals have been greatly aided by the controlled media. In the eyes of the powerful minority which controls the U.S. media, homosexuals are one among the many “oppressed minorities,” criticism of which is forbidden, on pain of losing one’s job or character assassination. (Look what happened to Andy Rooney when he mildly criticized perverts, or what happened to Jimmy the Greek when he speculated on the reasons for Black athletic success.)
     Yes, the power of organized perversion is a factor in the suppression of the truth about AIDS. And it is certainly a fact that the darling deviants are a part of the media’s push to destroy America. But there’s more to it than that. If the uncensored truth about AIDS were released to the American public, it would have the potential of permanently derailing the plan to submerge America into a multicultural New World Order. It would have the potential of waking up the sleeping American people — and our masters in Washington, New York and Tel Aviv cannot allow that to happen.
     AIDS is Transmissible via All Body Fluids
     Listening to the establishment media one could easily get the impression that about the only ways that one can get infected with the AIDS virus are to share IV needles with, or have unprotected sex with someone who is already infected. Those who believe that lie are at risk of becoming tomorrow’s AIDS statistics.
     First, there is no such thing as “safe sex” with a person who is HIV-positive. The condoms available in your local pharmacy or handed to twelve-year-olds at public schools offer little protection from the virus. Dr. C. M. Roland, Editor of Rubber Chemistry and Technology for the Naval Research Laboratory, states: “The 12 per cent failure rate of condoms in the prevention of pregnancy alone argues against their use for AIDS prevention. However, because the AIDS virus is orders of magnitude smaller than sperm, the situation is actually worse.” Dr. Roland goes on to point out that the AIDS virus is 0.1 micron in size, while typical holes in condoms, invisible to the naked eye, are 50 to 500 times larger, easily allowing passage of the virus. And according to Surgical Practice News of August, 1988, even surgical gloves, which are manufactured to a higher standard than condoms, may have holes nearly ten microns in diameter, or 100 times larger than the virus.
     Thousands have died because they, or doctors they trusted, believed the government’s and the media’s lies about AIDS. A startling example of this is the criminal negligence regarding AIDS-tainted blood in the blood banks.
     In 1983, we were told that the blood supply was safe. We were told that there were no documented cases of transmission via blood transfusion. When some individuals at the FDA and the Centers for Disease Control suggested that blood bankers could eliminate 80% of the AIDS-infected blood by testing all donated blood for Hepatitis-B, with which 80% of homosexual males are infected due to their filthy practices, and rejecting all the blood that tested positive, the higher-ups at both agencies declined to make that a requirement. Tens of thousands were sentenced to death by that decision. Why? Because homosexuals don’t want to be tested, they don’t want to be identified, and they don’t want their twisted sexual appetites restricted in even the slightest way. Homosexuals and powerful forces friendly to the homosexualization of America have successfully blocked this and many other common-sense proposals to protect the rest of us from AIDS.
     Later we were told that the chances of infection from blood transfusions were about one in 1 million. A few years down the road, the official story was that the chances were less than one in 100,000.
     Finally, in May 1985, a test became available that tested for the antibodies that the body produces in response to HIV infection. Just prior to that, the official story had changed again. Now supposedly the chances for HIV infection from a transfusion were one in 50,000 or less. When the blood supplies finally were able to be tested, albeit indirectly, for AIDS, the shocking truth became known.
     An investigation into the voluntary donor blood bank in San Francisco revealed that the risk there prior to 1985 was not one in a million. It was not even one in 50,000. It was one in one hundred.
     The same people who lied to you for years about the safety of the blood supply now tell you that the supply really is safe. Well, after the body count had become astronomical, public health officials were forced to adopt testing for the antibodies to HIV, and all blood which tests positive is supposed to be thrown out. So the blood supply certainly is safer than it was a few years ago. But there is a period of time after a person becomes infected with the AIDS virus, before his immune system responds by producing antibodies. This period of time is six weeks to six months in most people, but in some cases it can be as long as three years before antibodies are produced. During this time interval, the individual will be carrying the virus in his blood, but will test HIV-negative. This period of time is called the “negative window.
     If an HIV-infected person donates blood during this six-week to three-year “negative window,” his blood will not be screened out by the test presently in use. Anyone receiving a blood transfusion from blood bank inventory blood is therefore still at risk. Using your own blood, or that of a designated donor known to be HIV-free, is far safer. And you should also know that factions of radical homosexuals have publicly threatened to purposely donate infected blood if certain of their demands are not met. The “negative window” effect means that these threats should be taken seriously.
     You should also reflect seriously on the fact that, despite the availability of an HIV antibody test (and even its mandatory use in some situations such as blood bank donations), contact tracing of an infected individual’s sex partners is not being done in most instances. Infected individuals, even if they work as dentists or doctors or in other occupations where they could easily pass on the virus to others, are not required to notify anyone of their HIV-positive status. The AIDS virus is the only virus that has “civil rights.” Innocents must die, so that the sick sex games of the pervert minority can continue. The normal public health measures that always have been applied to other infectious diseases are not being applied to AIDS. The imposition of universal testing and quarantine where appropriate would end the anal fun, you see, and we can’t — we simply can’t have that. They — the infected — have all the rights. And we — the uninfected — have none. A complete inversion of what the public health system is supposed to be all about!
     We are repeatedly told by the controlled media that the AIDS virus is fragile, and that it does not survive well outside the body. But that simply isn’t true. The prestigious British medical journal, Lancet, for September 28, 1985, states that the virus can survive in dried body fluids for as long as seven days. It survives twice as long in a moist environment. The HIV virus easily survives freezing. It survives being placed under running alcohol for twenty minutes. It can pass through intact mucous membranes. It can pass through intact skin. It is present not only in blood, but in urine, feces, sweat, vaginal secretions, semen, tears, mother’s milk, and saliva. It has been transmitted by kissing. It has been transmitted through contact sports. In short, wherever and whenever body fluids can be exchanged between individuals, the HIV virus can also be transmitted.
     The government “experts” will tell you again and again that their studies “have not shown” transmission by these means. In many cases that merely means that studies have not been done. In some cases, studies have been stopped, apparently because they might have come to an “unapproved” conclusion if they were allowed to continue. Dr. Gus Sermos of the Centers for Disease Control was studying the possibility of mosquito transmission of the AIDS virus in semi-tropical Belle Glade, Florida, where an unusually high incidence of AIDS among low-risk individuals coincided with a large mosquito population. That study was stopped in its tracks, and there have been many other similar instances. The CDC stopped studying household transmission of AIDS after most such studies had been carried out for one year or less. They did this with full knowledge of the fact that it often takes six months and sometimes takes three years for an individual to develop antibodies to the virus. Now they point to these studies to claim that household transmission is insignificant.
     Racial Differences in AIDS Infection
     So far, the hidden facts about this disease that I have pointed out are hidden at least partly at the behest of organized perversion, which is very powerful, and which has powerful friends in the controlled media and even in the White House. But I want you to realize that the liars of the media are lying not only to protect the so-called “human rights” of homosexuals. They are also lying to protect their one-world, multicultural agenda.
     Now I’m going to let you in on the AIDS statistics that the media masters are the most desperate to keep from you. Most of you are not IV drug users, nor are you homosexuals, nor are you recipients of tainted blood. Most of you fall into the category of people whose greatest chance of contracting AIDS is via normal heterosexual sex. What are your risk factors? By what routes does this killer virus make its way into the bloodstreams of normal heterosexuals?
     When looking at the data for heterosexuals with AIDS, the one fact that is the most striking is that Blacks are between 14 and 20 times more likely to be infected than are Whites. Fourteen to twenty times more likely! In fact, even though Blacks account for only about 12% of the US population, they account for fully 90% of all AIDS infections in this country which were acquired through heterosexual means.
     Among straight White Americans who acquired an AIDS infection heterosexually, the risk category of the greatest relevance to most of us, and also the risk category that is never mentioned in the controlled media, the sources of infection estimates break down as follows (based on “Epidemiology and Evolution of Heterosexually Acquired AIDS — US” Stockholm, 1988; and R.M. Selik, American J. of Public Health v.78, #12):
     • — 3% of straight White Americans with AIDS got it by having sex with partners who had received tainted blood from a transfusion.
     — 13% of straight White Americans with AIDS, in this case all women, got it by having sex with bisexual men.
     — 42% of straight White Americans with AIDS got it by having sex with IV drug users.
     — And 42% of straight White Americans with AIDS got it by having sex with non-Whites.
     In other countries the figures are even more startling. In a study entitled “Patterns of Heterosexual HIV Infection in Brussels,” published by the Division of Infectious Diseases at St. Pierre University Hospital, 250 heterosexual AIDS patients were studied. Astoundingly, in the very White country of Belgium, fully 83% of these cases were Black African immigrants. Most of the White males with AIDS lived in or travelled regularly to Central Africa. 70% of these men with AIDS had had sex with Black women in Africa. Of the White women with AIDS, all lived exclusively in Belgium, but 83% of them had had sex with Africans or sex with men returning from Africa.
     Our young people need to be informed of these facts. These are the real-life risks that they face in this sorry world that we have made for them. It is criminal, it is homicidal, to deny them these facts just because the conclusions one might draw from them are at variance with the multicultural, one-world agenda that the forces behind Liberalism are ramming down our throats. We must shout the truth about AIDS from the housetops.
     Protect Yourself and Your Loved Ones
     What can you do to save your family and your country from this deadly epidemic? There’s a lot you can do.
     Avoid all contact with known homosexuals. If there is a known homosexual district in your area, do not go there. Avoid the “trendy,” “fashionable” part of town, whenever possible. This is often where the highest percentage of homosexuals are to be found. Particularly avoid using public rest rooms or eating in restaurants in such areas.
     If you live in a rural area or small town that has preserved traditional American values, stay there. If you live in an area where such values have disappeared, where “Gay Pride” parades have replaced Independence Day parades and where the Third World invasion is in full swing, carefully consider your options. Moving into a racially, culturally, and medically healthier area should be considered.
     Carefully choose who you socially and professionally associate with. Even if you must sacrifice status or money to do it, it is wise to avoid repeated close contact with those in high-risk groups, including Blacks, Third World immigrants, homosexuals, and drug users. Do not allow your children to associate with individuals in these groups when it can be avoided. Plan your travels to skirt around areas where such groups form a high percentage of the population, even if it takes extra time and gasoline to do so. Remember, any body fluid can transmit the virus, and it is impossible to predict the occurrence of auto accidents, altercations, the need to use unsanitary toilet facilities, or emergencies in which you may be placed in a hospital environment in a highly infected zone, possibly right next to a terminal AIDS patient.
     Be aware that certain metropolitan areas, especially San Francisco, Los Angeles, and New York, have populations which are particularly heavily infected.

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104. -JC Says:
     26 May, 2010 at 8:30 am

     Here’s perhaps a leader emerging:

     Kevin DeAnna is a graduate student at American University’s School of International Service. He is the founder and president of Youth for Western Civilization.

     Latest from Kevin DeAnna

     * Western Resistance Radio — The Arizona law and the end of America http://www.westernyouth.org/ywc-radio/western-resistance-radio-the-arizona-law-and-the-end-of-america/
     * http://www.westernyouth.org/articles/ethnic-studies-banned-in-arizona/
     * Kevin DeAnna on the Thayrone X Show
     * YWC Founder to speak on radio
     * YWC Moves Into the Pacific Northwest
     * YWC Radio — UNC, Providence, and Saul Alinsky

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105. -JC Says:
     26 May, 2010 at 9:32 am

     As I said above, Pete Peters spoke on this and, now, Kevin MacDonald: http://theoccidentalobserver.net/tooblog/?p=1946

     Kevin MacDonald: Elena Kagan on the Jewish radical tradition in American politics

     Kevin MacDonald: JudicialWatch.org has some important material on Elena Kagan. Judicial Watch President Thomas Fitton notes the “most disturbing” parts of her senior thesis at Princeton are the following:

     …Through its own internal feuding, then, the SP [Socialist Party] exhausted itself forever and further reduced labor radicalism…to the position of marginality and insignificance from which it has never recovered. The story is a sad but also a chastening one for those who, more than half a century after socialism’s decline, still wish to change America.

     …if the history of Local New York shows anything, it is that American radicals cannot afford to become their own worst enemies. In unity lies their only hope.

     As Fitton says, “Do we really need a Supreme Court Justice who once lamented the lack of unity on the part of the Socialist Party?”

     Judicial Watch had a link to Kagan’s thesis but it doesn’t work as of today. Her senior thesis is consistent with other historical studies in showing that the Socialist Party in New York in the early 20th century was a Jewish phenomenon. She notes that Jews were the backbone of the Socialist Party and that other ethnic groups, such as the Irish and Italians, could not be motivated to join even though they were in a similar economic situation.

     Not only were Jews the backbone of the Socialist Party, socialism was very mainstream within the Jewish community. Her account parallels those of other historians who describe the Jewish community from 1890 to 1920 as “one big radical debating society” (see here, p. 71ff).

     From [1886] on Jewish districts in New York and elsewhere were famous for their radical voting habits. The Lower East Side repeatedly picked as its congressman Meyer London, the only New York Socialist ever to be elected to Congress. And many Socialists went to the State Assembly in Albany from Jewish districts. In the 1917 mayoralty campaign in New York City, the Socialist and anti-war candidacy of Morris Hillquit was supported by the most authoritative voices of the Jewish Lower East Side: The United Hebrew Trades, the International Ladies’ Garment Workers’ Union, and most importantly, the very popular Yiddish Daily Forward. This was the period in which extreme radicals—like Alexander Berkman and Emma Goldman—were giants in the Jewish community, and when almost all the Jewish giants—among them Abraham Cahan, Morris Hillquit, and the young Morris R. Cohen—were radicals. Even Samuel Gompers, when speaking before Jewish audiences, felt it necessary to use radical phrases.

     The result was a radical mainstream Jewish culture that persisted in New York and elsewhere into the 1960s and beyond. With the success of the Bolshevik Revolution, many Jews opted out of the Socialist Party, resulting in a Jewish Communist subculture that was also entirely mainstream within the Jewish community.

     Kagan’s comments in her thesis suggest a sympathy with this radical Jewish culture — even a desire to carry it to fruition. Everything we know about her indicates that she continues to be immersed in a Jewish culture whose attitudes are well to the left of the American mainstream–a subculture that was hostile to the traditional people and culture of the US and has now become a hostile elite.

     This fits well with Kagan’s childhood in New York’s Upper West Side — described by Dan Freedman as “as conservative’s worst nightmare.” During her college years she wrote, “Where I grew up _ on Manhattan’s Upper West Side _ nobody ever admitted to voting for Republicans.”

     Elena Kagan and many of this culture’s children emerged from the Upper West Side political cauldron as committed to making the world a better place for all, mindful that everyday people can affect change as teachers, doctors, lawyers _ and, yes, even journalists _ and make government work for the common good.

     There is no indication that Kagan has changed her views, and there’s not much doubt that indeed she will be a judicial activist on the left. Fitton quotes from her Oxford thesis:

     As men and as participants in American life, judges will have opinions, prejudices, values. Perhaps most important, judges will have goals. And because this is so, judges will often try to mold and steer the law in order to promote certain ethical values and achieve certain social ends. Such activity is not necessarily wrong or invalid.

     Well, at least we know what we can expect when Kagan gets on the court.

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106. Rescue Slavic Women Says:
     6 December, 2010 at 12:13 am

     This is the inherent genetic difference between white anglo saxons and slavic people. In Slavic culture, no matter how much judeo commie terrorism was forced on them, they still know what is right and healthy and you cannot even mention pedophilia or child pornography to Slavic people without their first impulse being to grab a wooden stake and shove it up your ass. Slavic people are healthy human beings. I’ve always considered white anglo saxons to be perverse just as bad as they jews and that’s why the jews have been able to dominate the english over the Slavs. Slavis are healthy people and they should dominate the world. Sick fuckers you anglos and jews. You should die out.

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