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TV Reports he will be out for Christmas if he is a good boy.

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Well, at least he ain’t queer.

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In a VNN thread entitled, “In Defense of Elisha” – remember her? -
OTPTT asked some very insightful questions.

These were:

OTPTT wrote:

Elisha I have a couple of questions that only you can answer and that will go a long way in putting to rest any alleged “theories” surrounding the KAS situation.

You will remember attending Alex’s arraignment in Knoxville last summer. Alex told me that he was “surprised at your presence at that particular proceeding” and wasn’t sure how to interpret your being there at all.

You will also remember that we went to the Riverside Restaurant where we had coffee and the like and spent at least two hours there talking that afternoon. During the course of this conversation you said something that caught my immediate attention based upon my extensive study of law over the preceding 16 years in addition to my own personal experience in various capacities as a party to several civil and criminal cases.

You stated, “I copied files from Kevin’s computer and gave them to my lawyer for safe keeping.”

Since the trial is over and you are at liberty to discuss the case now I would like to ask you the following questions:

1. What was the nature of these files that you copied from Kevin’s computer and gave to your lawyer on a CD almost a full year before Kevin’s arrest?

a) Were they images of children engaged in sexual activity with either adults or other children?

b) If the answer to question 1(a) is in the negative were they images of nude children?

c) If the answer to questions 1(a) and 1(b) is in the negative were they Photoshoped images wherein the head of a minor was placed upon the body of a nude adult?

2. You clearly had access to Kevin’s computer. Did you every place any files of any type on his computer without his knowledge?

3. Who approached you regarding the wiring and placing in your home a hidden camera system?

a) What was the stated purpose of this hidden camera system?

b) What information and video\audio was recorded by this hidden camera system that you consented to having embedded in your home without Kevin’s knowledge?

4. Since you and the police apparently had those files that you copied from Kevin’s computer almost a full year before his arrest why was a hidden camera surveillance system necessary?

5. Did Kevin know that the sessions that he attended were being audio recorded and would be used against him by you or anyone else in the future?

a) Who actually audio recorded the privileged therapy sessions that Kevin attended with a psychologist?

b) Did you turn these privileged audio recordings between Kevin and his therapist over to any law enforcement agency at any time before Kevin’s arrest? Is so did you do so under the authority of a warrant or did you do so with Kevin’s express written consent?

c) Did Kevin give his signed, explicit authorization for the recording of those therapy sessions and if so can that authorization be found in Kevin’s medical records now?

comment:
These are quite useful questions for one and all, if only as guidelines as to how situations may unfold both for, and against, you.

For the moment I have one question:

IF these files were given to Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom’s attorney, and he has the same files that have been the concern of the law enforcement community, should he look forward to spending twenty-four months in prison?

I am so looking forward to the depositions and interrogatories of the expected divorce of Mr. and Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom.

I will have more substantial comments directly.

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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23 Months in prison for 8 deleted pictures on your harddrive in the internet age. This is obviously a frame.

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I think it was a plea bargain, & they dropped the other charges. Then he turned around at sentencing & denied the charges. It’s unfortunate; he had a lot of good input & ideas on White society. It would have been good if he hadn’t done what he may have, but I doubt he’ll have any following when he gets out.

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Any White proceeds to educate fellow White’s on any history or truth of what has happened to Western Nations in the last 100 years you will be targeted especially if your doing a radio show or public lectures like David Duke did. You must be squeaky clean. If it not photos on a PC, it will be taxes, or jaywalking etc.

Are White’s suffering under alien dominated tyranny ?

Who has control of our regime ? Fairness or truths have nothing to do with it either.

Have good honest men have been driven out of government ?

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I agree with Vaultner. Strom has merely given the jews yet another example to point out when they equate racism with mental illness.

He is a piece of garbage who can rot in jail for all I care.

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Well, so much for White brotherhood, no wonder the Jews are winning.

http://KillerJews.com — beasts among men

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JC says: “Marriage vows: If you can’t keep a covenant to the extent of at least not testify/frame, whatever the case may be, much less not participate in surveillance of your own spouse, what else are you incapable of doing? If you can’t trust your spouse, whom can you trust?”

Forgive my naivety. I am not a lawyer, but I always thought a spouse could not be required to testify against the other. If they can, it undermines wthe whole concept of the sanctity of marriage and the vows promising to be failthful. It’s very much like requiring a priest to testify about confession, which they cannot do.

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“Ron Says:

22 April, 2008 at 1:10 pm

I look forward to the day when people are locked up for having interracial pornography on their computers.”

All pornography should be illegal. From where it’s legality started with Hugh Hefner, to where it is now, the progression & next steps are abhorrent & appalling.

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Some thoughts:

In my previous comment – comment #30 in this http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/?p=2831#comments thread, I spoke of the possibility that the experiences of Kevin Alfred Strom might be seen, in microcosm, as a mirror of certain common patterns in the development of White Nationalist organizations.

I stand by that, and I think it is a stronger argument than many might realize; hence, I will return to it with a few ideas for why this is so important to us.

Kevin Alfred Strom gained recognition as an intellectual in a “Movement” that had been described to the public as uneducated, black-toothed Southern White Trash who considered satin pillow cases as headware, and white bedsheets as formal attire, with the occasional swastika-wearing pedophile brought in, just to “spice up the mix.”

Normality has always been the greatest threat we posed to The Powers That Be, and the images shown of us on television and in the Lamestream Media were designed to make us out to be the most abnormal people in the country.

Pierce, and the best of those attracted to him – Strom, “Jerry Abbott,” Alex Linder, and a precious few others – created the beginning of a viable political – and ultimately, national – alternative.

While Pierce was effectively neutralized from actively pursing this goal, he also seems to have acted as, in part, the Strong Guiding Male Figure that Kevin Alfred Strom needed.

Thus, for the second time tonight, I will criticize Pierce for not allowing his associates to grow beyond certain narrow limits…

Certainly he did not allow them to grow beyond his (conveniently) provincial model of the National Alliance; rejecting better communications would have forced the National Alliance to move to a greater stage, one with more challenges, and more opportunities.

I suspect that (1) Kevin Alfred Strom is a Perfectionist – good right hand men, and not really good at the ugly trade-offs of Achievement in a competitive world, and (2) Pierce would gladly use that Perfectionism, but would not allow it to grow beyond the limits he chose for it.

Kevin Alfred Strom, for the most part, never really Grew Up, in the Masculine sense of true Individuation.

And, that was fine, with Pierce, a man who seems to have been unwilling to develop the people needed to develop an Organization; like a Bad Father, he essentially crippled the Young Men in his care.

No Men, No Organization, past what he created, and past his lifetime.

The lack of any plans for succession implies that he never wanted anyone to succeed him – obviously – or, less obviously, to be more successful than him.

Stuck with archaic technology, Kevin Alfred Strom’s talents never became transformed into useful capacities, and Kevin’s relationships with marriage seem to equally be an attempt to adopt the matters of Form – we are married – without the concomitant matters of Substance – Individuated Adult Male, instead of the “Ward Cleaver” stereotype so many of us tried to match.

I suspect Kevin Alfred Strom’s inappropriate marriages were like his – dare I say it? – inappropriate relationship with Pierce, the Father-figure who made sure his Children never really succeeded where he had failed…

That brings us to US, the not-quite-a-Movement Movement,

See the pattern?

Look at David Lane.

Same thing – went looking for something Outside himself, when the only valid source of it was Inside himself, and could only take Life wen it met another Soul that shared that Goal, and Purpose -

Robert Mathews.

Robert Mathews, who was, in many ways, the son Pierce wished he had…

I suspect the death of Robert Mathews broke Pierce’s spirit, and there was nothing left to fill in the gap, the new-found Darkness in his soul…

One after another – and the only people who have figured out the deep Answer is Within are the ones who seem to have done it the hard way – Bill White, Alex Linder, and the best and brightest of us, Harold Covington.

Kevin Alfred Strom really needed high quality Masculine Teaching, and Validation, which are at the core of the Masculine Initiation into Adulthood.

At THAT point, they choose, for THEMSELVES, in free will, to bind themselves to a Purpose greater than words can define, or they, themselves, can explain.

What would have been missing from Pierce, given all else, would have been Validation, at a spiritual level. THAT Validation is a matter of a quality of the Soul, and not merely material adornments…

I think Pierce recognized this, in a vague, virtually inchoate way, and really wanted someone smarter than himself, stronger than himself, and wiser than himself, to take the helm of the National Alliance BEFORE he died.

He saw the potential of that in Robert Mathews.

And, I think that was what Pierce wanted:

The writing and analytical skill of Alex Linder, the intellectual analytical power of Kevin Alfred Strom, the cool, disciplined intellect of “Jerry Abbott,” and the raw, intelligent Masculine Power of Robert Mathews. ALL in one person.

Pierce’s Dream was Pierce’s Fantasy.

That his National Alliance, upon his death, was literally overrun by Barbarians, speaks to the importance of the raw positive Masculine Forces in carrying the RACE “To The Stars.”

And THAT, at least in part, I am so hopeful for the future of Kevin Alfred Strom as a servant of our RACE.

THIS time, he will not be dependent upon the kindness of strangers, and THIS time, he will have no excuse!

Good!

And, for his homepage – and, for that matter, for the homepage of a good many of us, a little something to keep in mind why Harold Covington’s Northwest Republic quietly attracts so many of the best of us…

http://www.montanasnewsstation.com/Global/story.asp?S=6608221&nav=menu227_10_7

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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in reply to Vaultner:

you wrote:

If you guy’s want to join a cult & follow blindly I think the Moonies are still out their somewhere. Now if the charges against him were lies, my heart goes out to him, I don’t think that’s the case. If you care to take an Aryan point of view I think Hitler would have cut Stroms head off & thrown him out a window.

in reply:
No one is asking anyone “to join a cult & follow blindly.”

What we ARE saying – and this is a point that is rather more central to the organizational failures of White Nationalism than anyone dares suggest – is that Kevin Alfred Strom’s position, in microcosm, strongly resembles that of “the Movement.”

Litigation?

If you want to go to court against the Feds, you will lose.

Simple as that.

They have more lawyers, better lawyers, and unlimited resources to make sure they win.

Hell, even locally, all the local District Attorney has to do is pile on charge after charge, all stemming from the same incident, and you will be effectively bankrupted – unless you are damn righteous, and have all of the facts, and damn good, expensive layers, on your side.

Political action?

Our people won’t attend the FREE Ron Paul Meet-ups, to be in on the foundation of a new political party.

Our people won’t attend the FREE training programs offered by the local Democrat and Republican parties.

We seem to put “the Movement” on hold, with our lives in the balance…

The White Nationalists in Scandinavia – who face far greater official sanctions than we do – organize, and even hold torchlight parades, wearing clean, modern uniforms.

Only Bill White is even trying to make that – and a lot more – work, for us, our Families, and our RACE.

Why is that?

Why do we act like Children waiting for Daddy to come home and tell us what to do, and make sure it is safe for us?

you wrote:

The last thing we need is another splinter group, especially one with dubious leadership. Do you want to be led by a true leader or do you want to be a devotee. Hell you can light candles for him & drop flowers at a shrine to him, chant, The Moonies would be perfect for you guys. Or do you think you can determine on your own what good literature is, or tasteful art. I think some of you guys are off your rockers.

in reply:
We NEED so many things, I do not have the time to explain them.

Above all, we need to be able to answer one question with a short, meaningful answer:

WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO ME, AND WHY SHOULD I JOIN YOU?

I wish Kevin Alfred Strom had never married, and had simply devoted his life to the service of our RACE.

You are right, we don’t need “another splinter group.”

We need an organized response to those Questions.

If we can answer them correctly, organizational responses will tend to suggest themselves.

If we can’t answer them, then all of our organizational attempts will be ineffective, at best, and antagonistic to the achievement of our RACIAL Goals, at worst.

Come to think of it, most of our efforts have been just that…

Imagine if we could turn that around, even slightly.

On a personal note, I feel sympathetic to Kevin Alfred Strom because I do see his plight as the state of White Nationalism in microcosm.

We are in the wrong place, living by the wrong values, doing the wrong things, and wondering why nothing is going right…

Harold Covington noted the horrific personal price you pay when you decide, in Adult understanding, to accept the mantle of Racial Duty; marriages collapse, “friends” turn against you, and even your closest family members scorn you.

And you do wonder why…

I was rejected by my family, because I argued for a National Socialist Economic model, and one relative said, “You mean like Hitler?”

That was it – I could literally feel a wall descending from them, and I was never invited to any Family reunions, or holiday events.

Now, my nephews have moved in with me, trying to build a new life, pretty much from scratch.

Why?

Because there is no “there,” back where they came from, literally back in the hills.

Their America is falling apart, and is masking its economic collapse with debt – until the last employer in town shut down.

Now, the biggest “businesses” are the Unemployment Office, the Welfare Office, the ABC Store (liquor), and the drug store (tranquilizers), which happens to have a very busy State Lottery terminal…

To use Kevin Alfred Strom’s poignant phrase, “What Happened To US? What Happened To White People?”

My nephews are staying with me “until things get better back home.”

Things aren’t “getting better.”

We have to MAKE them better, and the rebuilding of the New America, literally from the scrap heap of the Old America, is the work of lifetimes, given a level playing field.

Every time I become discouraged about our RACIAL survival, AND growth, I remind myself of the Insight of Harold Covington, which I loosely paraphrase:

“WE are the RACE that built the Gothic Cathedrals, that brought Civilization to a world in Darkness, that cured horrific diseases, that sent men to the surface of the Moon…and brought them back.”

Raw Masculinity was transformed into the fulfillment of a much greater Purpose, to make those miracles happen.

What was stolen from us – and we allowed it to happen – was the power of Positive Masculinity.

My nephews are working on that, daily.

Above all, they are working on a new state of Consciousness – a new state of Mind – that will build the New America, wherever they are.

Imagine what Kevin Alfred Strom’s life would have been if he had this Positive Masculinity operating in his soul?

He would have no need to marry, in an age where marriage is mocked and scorned by women more than men.

He could focus all of his Creative Talents in the service of our RACE, and transformed his Talents into Capacities.

He could have worked with Pierce, and them, when it was obvious Pierce needed to shift some of the burden to a younger man, he could have been there, ready to move forward, with new Ideas, reflecting our RACIAL Ideals.

He can still do all of these things, because, as a man with Nothing, he has Nothing to lose.

A lot more of us will be in that situation before to much longer, and how we choose to react to it will be the measure of our Character.

That is the Challenge before us.

I will have more to say about this, directly.

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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in reply to Vaultner:

What I find most distressing is this:

The only RACE in the history of the world that even dreamt of going to the Moon, much less actually going there, has been so gelded by our RACIAL Enemies, the demonic Goddamn JEWS, that the simplest of organizational models seem to be beyond us.

THAT is the Larger Issue.

We are facing, literally, immigration policies that are all but GENOCIDE, and we are facing internal policies that are deliberately dysgenic.

We face, literally, Insurmountable Opportunities.

There are STRUCTURAL issues that need to be addressed.

I see l’affaire Kevin Alfred Strom a damn near perfect example of all of these issues in microcosm, from (1) the lack of positive Masculinity – I’ll discuss later how that works with the social plans of the demons known as JEWS – to (2) continual monitoring – note Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom’s unwillingness to positively address the Questions of OTPTT – to (3) the failure of ANY organization to make ANY constructive headway at all in organizing around White Nationalist issues.

People that seem to be educationally challenged see the issues around Kevin Alfred Strom solely in one dimension, and that is the charge of pedophelia.

Fine.

There is much more at work here, and much more worth learning, as I see in his example the weaknesses of the nascent White Nationalist “Movement,” and, in turn, the foundation of how the demons that have bedeviled us can be turned into angelic servants of our RACIAL Purpose.

Let’s deal with the fragments you chose to address:

(1) Sympathy towards Kevin Alfred Strom.

In reply, I am guilty of this, as I am sympathetic to anyone who has accepted false Values, and tried to make them work, with the best of intentions, and, frankly, the wrong tools for the job.

Additionally, if you ever experience a brutal divorce, you will develop much more sympathy to Kevin Alfred Strom’s plight; just imagine what it must be like to be monitored by your wife, with advanced recording equipment obtained from – well, we don’t know, yet.

I think about what Kevin Alfred Strom could have done with his life if he had decided to accept his duty to his RACE as more important than temporal marriage – an institution that is failing, even as we speak.

Think of Yankee Jim – suppose he had awoken one morning to realize that marriage to a wife who does not want you to be involved in White Nationalism is likely to be Hell on Earth, and left her, to move to Kalispell, Montana, playing oldies songs and live music at a local hotel.

In other posts, I have argued true acceptance of White Nationalism is a process that is like religious conversion; no “Saul on the Road” blinding moments of Realization, but a gradual Awareness that THIS is RIGHT, and – by definition – so much must necessarily be wrong.

Harold Covington has described only a small part of the horrific price he has paid for putting the RACE first; believe me, the wedding vow of “For better or for worse…” puts support of White Nationalism in the “for worse” column, and suddenly, the wedding vow is revealed as something that really only includes “For better.”

Pretty much by social definition, White Nationalism – a Positive Theory of the White RACE – is “For worse,” and leads to divorce court.

Ask Kevin Alfred Strom!

(2) “inappropriate relationship with Pierce”

In reply, notice that Pierce never developed the people around him. He probably was too busy developing his Model of White Nationalism, but somehow forgot to make plans for any sort of substantive political organization, or even developing people around him who were strong enough, and smart enough, to make a political model actually work.

I don’t blame Pierce for this – he was who he was, and he did heroic acts for the RACE, all the while, with various investigative agencies being well-informed as to activities up on the mountain.

The relationship with Pierce was “inappropriate” because Kevin Alfred Strom did not realize that Pierce – how to put this diplomatically – had no model for succession, or even grooming the talents and abilities of those who with him.

Kevin Alfred Strom should have developed those talents, transforming them into capacities, and moved beyond the glass ceiling of Piercian Expectations; that he didn’t was a mistake he certainly will not make again, and we should not make, at all.

Having Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom around, which seems to be like carrying a ground to make sure lightning never strikes, certainly didn’t do him any good – then, or now.

Question Three and Four of OTPTT’s Questions are most useful in seeing the relationship between Mr. and Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom a bit more clearly.

Funny how Mrs, Kevin Alfred Strom refuses to answer these Questions, especially Question Four.

(3) “I am so hopeful for the future of Kevin Alfred Strom as a servant of our RACE.”

I am.

He has nothing, and nothing to lose.

By focusing his efforts SOLELY on RACIAL Service, selfless service to the RACE, he can accomplish more with a Macintosh, in a month on the Internet, than Pierce did, in a lifetime.

Remember, Pierce left no heir, and no organization designed to last past his death.

Hopefully, Kevin Alfred Strom will learn one thing from the example of Dr. William Luther Pierce:

ORGANIZATION BEATS DISORGANIZATION.

Thoughts about organization will follow in another thread.

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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I’m betting that Kevin will become a monk when he gets out of prison.

He is looking for the holy, the pure, the unsullied.

It’s a pity that this urge got transmuted into a desire for innocent little girls.

On further thought, it is possible he could become an artist in the vein of Maxfield Parrish, or a writer, like Lord Dunsany. They dealt with the world of fantasy, with a faerie-like, unsullied, unblemished mankind. Usually, though, highly technical and engineering types are not artistic, but I did detect that artistic quality in Kevin.

His following will be underground, of course, because the press will never, ever touch, much less promote, someone who was once a dreaded “racist.” Unless, of course, they grovel to the max, before the enlightened lords of the media.

It will be interesting, and I wish Kevin well, because, after all is said and done, he DID nothing that actually infringed on another living being. He could have been a better husband, perhaps, but to say that Elisha did not have her own faults in this area is something I cannot accept.

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in reply to Vaultner:

you wrote:

I think you dwell on too many small points. If Strom is a fruit as you suggest then he has no place amongst us, Nor an acquirer of kiddie porn. No need to have a “servant of the White race” as you put it such as these. If such is the case again I have no sympathy for him & cannot understand yours, he’s weak. Use the good examples & forget the bad. For the bad are not National Socialist, & serve/have served no purpose to the White cause.

in reply:
We have all been “weak,” at one time, and frightfully ignorant, at other times.

We have all wrestled with our demons, with varying degrees of sucess.

We must not surrender to them, but instead, transform them into servant angels of our RACE.

you wrote:

You’ve expected too much from any of the movements leaders. Not since George Lincoln Rockwell has there been a true chance of political gains & succession of leadership, & there wont be as long as there are splinter groups to splinter groups. If everyone just sat back for a while & stopped hopping they are the solution & the other group has it all wrong, perhaps something will grow on its own. Rather than 5 guys in a basement declaring themselves the new & only true White power group, number six is a FED anyway. You could put the blame as much on the followers who expect quick & decisive gains. The jews are acting out a 5,000 year talmudic plan. This is not something they dreamt up over night. The niggers could have gone back to Africa after the Civil War, why did they stick around?

in reply:
You’ve dealt with two separate issues in that paragraph; let me focus on the one most relevant to our, and our Cause:

You’re right – we HAVE “expexted too much from any of the movements leaders.” for several reasons.

First, there is no “Movement.”

Second, there aren’t any “Leaders” in the sense that we want our “Leaders” to be Super Fathers, all-knowing, all-wise, all-wealthy and all-powerful.

Third, we lack even the WILL to do the simplest of things, behind a cloak of anonymity.

For instance, we could all sends TWENTY DOLLARS A MONTH to Alex Linder, whose address is at the top and bottom of this page. If we can not afford that, we don’t belong here. We belong working a second full-time job just as soon as we have filed bankruptcy. Incidentally, twenty dollars is the cost of a case of cheap beer. If we choose the cheap beer over VNN, then we shall get what we deserve, and our Posterity will make damn sure we pay the price.

The Answer, writ large, is Covington’s masterful Northwest Republic Initiaitve, as outlined in his first Northwest Republic Trilogy of books, particularly “A Distant Thinder.”

The Answer, writ small, is to START WHERE YOU ARE, AND BE WHAT YOU WANT THE WORLD TO BECOME.

Four, the organizational structures are right before us – Christian Churches, homeschooling (the two go hand in hand), and joining Ron Paul Meet-Ups while learning political organization from the schools the Democratic and Republican parties offer us, and THAT is just for openers.

From THERE, organic solutions will tend to present themselves…

you wrote:

We as a race are not meant for strong organizations. We are meant to raise our children together as a family, not go off & work in big cities to be led astray, divorce remarry etc. National Socialism was a cure, a solution, not in my opinion ever meant to be the status quo for the long haul.
Hitler said, “You cannot export National Socialism.” The underlying cloth of American society is based on freedom. Although that has become perverted by the jew it is still the way that will work for White Americans.

in reply:
National Socialism only works, at all, among one group of people, the White RACE, carriers of the Western Soul. It works, beautifully, in the Scandinavian countries. It does not work anywhere else, at all. The Lesser RACES are simply not ready for it.

In America, “freedom” has become a license, for license.

“Freedom,” properly understood, means the power to choose consciously, and the responsibility to choose the best of all choices.

you wrote:

Hitlers Germany was a success; they could not however take on the world at large. Rohm was not studied he was dealt away with & never mentioned again.

in reply:
Hitler had no wish to “take on the world.” He simply wished for Germany to be free of external restraint.

you wrote:

If Strom, & Yankee Jim could not realize their wives were no good for them & any leadership roles they could have played they should have handled it quick & decisively. For themselves & the so-called movement. No generous helping hand. Ever heard the saying “a stone around your neck”?

in reply:
I could not agree more!

Ditch the Bitch!

Particularly if her email address is “MANIPULATOR@elishastrom.com”

you wrote:

Forget Strom, Forget Pierces’ shortcomings, forget all the leaders that have failed before & look for the one that can do it. The microcosm is unimportant only the final result.

in reply:
The only one that can “do it” for us, as a Leader, is ourselves.

That takes a degree of responsibility that most of us simply are not up to.

TWENTY DOLLARS A MONTH to Alex Linder is beyond them.

That is a manifestation of their irresponsibility, in so many realms of their lives.

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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in reply to Fr. John:

you wrote:

St. Paul stated it clearly “Let no such sins be named among you.”

You cannot win this battle without a viable, organic, ORTHODOX Christianity. The Puritans knew it, the Pilgrims knew it, and the New England Calvinists practiced it for two hundred years.

You also have to have SOMETHING to fight the ‘false creed’ of talmudism/zionism/Judaism. As Gary North has noted, ‘you can’t fight something with nothing,’ and ‘There is no neutrality.’

Race WITHOUT grace, is merely a LOST RACE.

in reply:
I see the issue in a somewhat different Light.

I think that Institutional Christianity has been so compromised by the demonic Jewish influences as to be, well, little better than Judaism, in all but fact.

I see Christianity as the Gospels, and a relationship with a Living Savior, Mediator and Redeemer.

Most of the Institutions of Christianity focus on Jesus – killed by the Jews – to pretty much the exclusion of the Risen Savior.

I think we might be speaking at cross-purposes; so many of the Christian Institutions are so busy fighting over – let’s be honest – a decreasing market, that the Work of Christ is given short shrift to the quarterly reports.

Thus, we see Christ acting in the transformation of the Northern European tribes, consolidating them into a nation, with a common RACIAL foundation, and heritage.

I agree with North on this much – politically, “you can’t beat something with nothing.”

I further agree that White Nationalism has essentially failed at all points that matter, so far; we can see one exception to this rule, and that was Brigham Young’s RACIAL Creation, turning the desert into Our Beloved Deseret.

See how well that group of White People, RACIALLY unified, in – literally – the middle of Nowhere – seems to have done so well?

Think a common European (WHITE RACIAL) element might have had something to do with it?

I have been thinking about our failures at the organizational level, and think I see two factors that are particularly important:

Remember:

One, Family is the microcosm of RACE.

Two, RACE is the macrocosm of Family, and,

Three, RACE is the Living Bridge between Family and Culture.

The problem?

First, the destruction of the Family structure acts to negate a necessary precondition for Family IDENTITY, and thus, Racial IDENTITY, and then, RACIAL achievement.

That the Foundation of temporal Judaism is a total focus on the importance of the Family and RACIAL IDENTITIES, over the individual persona, is much of the story of the RACIAL success of the demonic Jews.

In short, they insure we never can lay the necessary precondition to do what they have done…

Second, we never organize for anything other than small-range, short-term projects.

In contrast, the Goddamn Jews continuously organize to insure that they achieve, for their RACE, whatever they choose. If this is done at our direct expense, so much the better – so far as they are concerned.

The parody of Christianity we have before us at the Institutional level, sold to us on all of the JEW-controlled media systems, is based on a parody of Christian “love.”

In contrast – and this is the key to tying this back to Kevin Alfred Strom – the demonic Jews see our hatred of them as an admission of their superiority – and THAT is more important to them than any idea of Christian “love” we may have.

After all, to them, we are merely livestock…

Do you REALLY think the farmer gives a damn if the cattle don’t like him?

Not in the least, because he has all of the control.

They live for our hatred.

Think about that for a moment.

The source of our hatred is our inability, our (learned!) helplessness in the face of the situation before us.

WE use our “anger” to self-medicate ourselves, so helpless have we seen to define ourselves – the definition rammed down our throat twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week, by the JEW-controlled Propasphere.

We also use Christianity – at the Institutional level – the put ourselves back to Sleep, rather than see our anger as a Tool for transforming our understanding of the situation, and then, our Selves.

In doing so, we see ourselves as they wish for us to see ourselves, as essentially passive victims, ever more passive, and ever more “morally superior,” in the name of Christian victimization.

This is our mistake, it’s our Fault, and WE can DO SOMETHING about it.

After all, the demonic Jews are simply doing what parasites always do – taking over the dead and the dying, and consuming their carcasses.

WE LET THIS HAPPEN TO US!

This is a Challenge worthy of lifetimes of efforts; as an Asiatic Hive Consciousness, the demonic Jews can work for centuries, and millennia, in the fulfillment of a purpose – the Conquest of Mankind.

We must learn to think in those terms, as well.

An excellent starting place for Kevin Alfred Strom would be some good anger-management courses, in a supportive environment of Adult Men.

In time we will remake Christianity into what it really should have been, free of the influence of the Semitic Tribes that perverted it into the parody of itself it has become.

Again, Harold Covington has laid it out for us, and has removed all of our excuses.

We must be what we want the world to become, and we must see ourselves as the Co-Creators – with Christ – of a new nation that will exist in America, developing parallel Institutions that explicitly support our RACIAL Purpose.

And, we must start where we are…

While we can.

If the Redemption of the Soul of Kevin Alfred Strom is a part of this, so much the better.

If he can do it, we can do it.

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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in reply to Vaultner:

you wrote:

I don’t drink & if I did it wouldn’t be cheap beer.

in reply:
Wha?

The issue was, did you send TWENTY DOLLARS to Alex Linder this month, and every month.

I guess not.

Must need the money for something more important.

Crack cocaine?

you wrote:

I don’t give a shit what Strom does when he gets out. If there is any validity to the charges he doesn’t belong around children & not any White movement. It’s not the place to deal with your own demons, as you put it.

in reply:
There was no “Movement,” and their is no “Movement.”

If there was, Kalispell, Montana would be much more populated than it is, and Covington’s “A Distant Thunder” would be in every barbershop in America.

There does seem to be something of a “Cause,” but even that has a long way to go.

That’s why we’re here.

you wrote:

You don’t take one standpoint of all degenerates & muds should die & then turn around like a born again jew Christian & look to redeem souls.

in reply:
Wha?

I would just as soon the Mud Races and the crackhead niggers just go their own way, preferably south of the Rio Grande, and from there, back to Africa.

Just being who, and what, they are, is punishment enough.

And, only Christianity offers the possibility of the redemption of souls.

The best deal in town!

you wrote:

Hitler said; ” Christianity is the worst trick the jews ever played on the world.” I agree.

in reply:
Institutional Christianity is the worst trick the Jews ever played, and it speaks poorly of us that we allow it, and do not accept the responsibility to strip it of the Darkness, and make it a real, transforming force in the Culture, the Nation, and the RACE.

you wrote:

This country needs to be cleansed not redeemed!

in reply:
Listen, all of these people who talk of “cleansing the nation” can not organize their lives well enough to send TWENTY DOLLARS A MONTH to Alex Linder.

Instead, they spin elaborate fantasies about hopw some Adult Male – a LOT of them, in fact – will do the work of “cleansing” the country, and, just as soon as the torchlight parades begin, they will proudly offer their talents to The Cause.

The size of the fantasy is the inverse of their impotence, in the Real World.

Hell, they can’t even send TWENTY DOLLARS A MONTH to Alex Linder.

Actually, they can’t do much of anything, that matters.

Remember Peter Shank’s masterful Insight:

The Jews took over America without firing a shot, through control of the words you read, the pictures you see, and the institutions that shape and control your country, and your life.

Your pathetic fantasies of taking the old Chevy, Grandad’s squirrel rifle, and “taking America back,” belong in your whiskey-fueled dreams, dreams of power and competence, neither of which you can claim in the Real World.

you wrote:

I say you jew America are an AGENT PROVACATOR!

in reply:
God, but I could only wish to be a successful agent provocateur in the formation of a Northwest Republic.

In the meanwhile, we do what we can, and send TWENTY DOLLARS A MONTH to Alex Linder, address at the top and bottom of your screen.

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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in reply to Vaultner:

you wrote:

You don’t get it do you? Your “New America” even better LOL “An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!” IS A jew INSPIRED AMERICA! You open yourself & the rest of us to accept too much in the wake of the jew. You want a North West Republic & what with the rest of the nation our Fore Fathers founded?
Now that’s a small paragraph I wrote I don’t need half a screen in response. Oh & by the way send Alex Linder $40.

in reply:
I’m glad you addressed the topic of Harold Covington’s Nothwest Republic model, and I note that you really have no substantive rebuttal to the idea.

That’s to be expected.

What about “the rest of the nation our Fore Fathers founded?”

Glad you asked.

Our forefathers came upon this continent as conquerors.

They acted that way, in the fulfillment of the great RACIAL Laws that govern all of life.

Just as we displaced the aboriginals, the illegals – soon to become legal – and their families will displace us.

I refer back to Burnham – when the West stopped growing, the West started dying.

Thus, the parasites – the demonic Jews, the illegals, the crackhead niggers – are only doing what parasites do, which is thrive on the decay formed by the absence of Life.

If you think about it, there have been several “Americas,” from the two competing Visions of colonization at Plymouth Rock and Jamestown, to the United States of America versus the Confederate States of America, from a nation of small agrarians to a nation controlled by mercantile interests – there have always been a conflict between decentralization, to support the Family, and centralization to support the businessmen and the bankers.

When these two Visions clash too strongly, another America is born out of the ashes.

Thus, for example, when the small farmsteads of Jefferson went under, economically, they were replaced in a different America, with larger farmsteads that grew with, and economically supported, the transcontinental railroad.

The ideal size of the nation state depends upon the needs of the RACE that inhabits it.

The Swiss model of cantons, for example, certainly lends itself to the governance models of the Western Soul – small scale”democracy,” within the framework of larger “Democratic” structures.

Prominent bankers are calling for the price of crude oil to DOUBLE by 2012; using the “divide by 20″ rule to get the price of a gallon of gas, and ignoring externalities as we are now, that gets you to TEN DOLLARS A GALLON for gasoline, and not far enough for that to matter, for heating oil.

Under such circumstances, Suburban America will begin to wither on the vine, economically speaking, and the dramatic decline in the “middle class standard of living,” will be the first order manifestation of economic dislocations.

It also makes regional organization much more feasible.

Regional organization, like America saying , as all Empires do – that they can not afford to totally support the periphery as they used to, and such support will fade with the fading economic and demographic power.

Thus, Kalispell, Montana, fir example, will become populated by a different type of person that could have populated it in the age of cheap energy, and demand for unskilled labor.

This seems to be already occurring; look at the massive outflux of RACIAL refugees from Southern California, for example, and see that they are heading North, and to the Northwest, where crime is virtually nonexistent, and people around them, look like them, demographically, and in particular, psychographically.

Eventually, as the realize the central government is unable to support them, it just might be that they will, de facto, return the favor – softly, quietly, slowly.

In the end, the government will collect taxes, and pay something they will call Social Security, and offer little else beyond a bare living for many.

Reread “Atlas Shrugged,” and realize the world that followed when the Taggart Transcontinental finally stopped, and the light slowly faded – THAT is an apt metaphor, for what I am describing.

RACE, as Yockey tells us in “Imperium,” has a vertical component; thus, people like Rand’s Dagny Taggart, and Ragnar Danneskjold – good Nordic boy, that!

I think the next Dagny Taggart will be more likely to be a home-schooled Christian from outside Kalispell, Montana, in th Next America, than she will be a Mexican-American student of the Los Angeles Unified School District.

I might be wrong.

But I doubt it.

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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in reply to Will Williams:
you wrote:

You’ve got Miss “New America” nailed, Vaultner, on his Xian Nazis led by “the best and the brightest” of WN frauds.

in reply:
Actually, many members of the NSDAP Leadership WERE “Christian,” and “Christian” in the sense that they were removing the demonic Jewish influences from Christianity.

National Socialist economic systems, however, do not require acceptance of any form of Christianity – fortunately for us!

you wrote:

If you find out where this great White Leader, Defendant Covington, is hiding let me know. He owes me $200,000 from the adverse libel judgment Williams v. Covington. He hasn’t been able to show his face anywhere for over ten years.

in reply:
I have worked with other men who lived in the past, speaking of the great glorious achievements of their younger days.

I guess when Pierce – who seems to have had a “license” to operate as an intelligence gold mine – died, the best of whatever it was he was trying to do died with him.

What have you done since then that can begin to compare with the Vision defined and outlined in Covington’s “First Northwest Trilogy,” particularly as defined in “A Distant Thunder?”

That is the Good News for us in all of this – no longer do we worship at the altar of a man who seems to have access to remarkable sums of money, and a free hands from the government – up to a point.

THAT POINT was actually doing something constructive in terms of political or even social organization.

That sounds an awful lot like Pierce was a part of – how to state this gracefully – “Divide and Conquer,” as compared to the National Socialist model of “Unite, and Lead.”

Speak of, and live in, the past that exists only in your own mind, Will.

The rest of us will be trying to build a Brighter, Whiter Future, for our Families, and our RACE!

you wrote:

Pierce wasn’t perfect, but this criticism of him was obviously penned by someone who did not know him.

in reply:
We don’t need to “know him” – apt Biblical phrase, that! – exhaustively, for we only have the fame of the dead man’s deeds to tell us the truth.

The Truth Is THIS:

Pierce did a lot of good, but somehow, never went to the next step, in any manner that mannered.

Covington has laid out the next step – and more, a lot more.

And Covington did it without hiding out on a mountain retreat, wasting millions – MILLIONS – of dollars, and receiving stolen funds to which so many turned a blind eye.

Oh, when Pierce disposed of the National Alliance membership list at the County Dump, you don’t REALLY think that was by accident, do you?

Neither do I.

We must take the responsibility to BE WHAT WE WANT THE WORLD TO BECOME.

While we can…

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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in reply to Socrates:

Done.

Damn, but we need to build something more substantial to a much better future.

While we can.

THIS is an example of what part of a “better future” look like:

http://www.montanasnewsstation.com/Global/story.asp?S=6608221&nav=menu227_10_7

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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I fear for KS: how many nigger savage cocks are going to be rammed up his ass because kike-controlled courts will deposit him in nigger and spic infested wards? How many loads of festering nigger cum is he going to have to endure until he’s ‘pozzed’ by yard-apes on the down-low? He might as well have been given a death sentence.

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Hey, Miss New Amerikwa! If Pierce was compromised, a government asset as you and “Big Lie” Covington and Willis “Born Again” Carto and Commander ASSWIPE say he was, why would the FBI have to stoop to going through his garbage at the Pocahontas County dump to find who might have been buying books from him in the late 1980s? If he worked for them, all they would have had to do was instruct him to “give ‘em up!” I’ve made the trash/garbage runs to those same dumpsters and tried to picture the Famous But Incompetent there, lurking in the surrounding woods with their little walkie-talkies and binoculars and latex gloves, waiting for me to leave so they could do some serious dumpster diving. I liked to put a couple o’ big scoops o’ dog shit in with paper trash, just in case Dr. Pierce wasn’t an FBI asset.

Like I said, you did not know WLP, except what supposed “truth” you gleaned from professor Griffith’s FOADMD and from Dr. Pierce’s rivals/enemies, like your “best and brightest” Maximal Leader, Defendant Covington. Griffith didn’t know Pierce much better than you or Tub o’ Lard Fuhrer did.

I was Dr. Pierce’s first National Alliance Membership Coordinator, his Executive Officer, and worked with him closely, my office adjacent to his. He invited me to come live with him in WV in 1991 when Kevin had just come on staff to launch American Dissident Voices. It was just the three of us, and WLP’s wife Sue and KAS’s wife Kirsten, back then.

Kevin and I knew Dr. Pierce, and it wasn’t in some goddamned “inappropriate relationship,” either. We know what happened. So do others. I don’t need you writing my history anymore than I need Morris Dees or Abe Foxman or Defendant Covington writing about me through their enemy eyes.

I feel sorrow for Kevin. Nobody told him it was going to be easy.

You asked me: “What have you done since [WLP's death] that can begin to compare with the Vision defined and outlined in Covington’s “First Northwest Trilogy,” particularly as defined in “A Distant Thunder?”

I don’t really care much about your phoney Fuhrer’s outline, Bub. I’m more interested in where this Great White Leader lays his delusional head each night, where he’s hiding from me now. Won’t he have to come out of hiding eventually in order to lead the Great White Migration — his “Butler Plan — to the North West Homeland? I mean, let’s get real, Miss New Amerika.

Tell your leader I just renewed the $110,088 judgment (+ ten years interest @ 8%) for another ten years. I’m allowed to send your chickenshit Fuhrer notice of this by registered mail to his last known address, and there will be a public notice in the local paper there. If he wants to challenge it, he can, but he’ll have to meet me in court. He can’t come out from under his rock to lead you like a man for another decade, Miss Amerikwa. What do you think of that?

I haven’t done much of any great significance for the cause since Dr. Pierce’s death. I took my third wife and tried again to have a family, but that didn’t take, again. I’ve pretty much just tried to keep folks honest, and my criticism of those who’ve claimed to be successor to WLP’s National Alliance hasn’t set well with them. The fact that I’m permanently banned from Linder’s VNNF, Stormfront and Gliebe’s resistance.com tell’s me I must be saying something right.

WWWLPD? He would have a dynamic interactive Alliance presence on the ‘Net — we discussed streaming video back in the 1990s — but none of this so-called “uncensored free speech” crap where chaos reigns; none of the “Big Tent” crap welcoming competing ideologies that EVERYONE has adopted since WLP’s death for their so-called “vanguards.”

Some of us know what he would be doing. We clearly see what he would not be doing all around us.

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Mr. Topeka, you’re a sterling example of why I never point White people to VNN. Your unhealthy fascination with bodily excretions and anal love smacks of Jewiness.

Are you on the VNN team?

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in reply to Will Williams:

I see in your comments the common theme of a rambling narrative of a long-lost Golden Age of White Nationalism.

Now that Pierce is gone, well, what’s the sense of the rest of us even trying?

I tend to see it in a somewhat different Light.

Now that Granpa is gone, the rest of us can get to work without his damn delaying, denying, and general ineffectiveness.

Doing better – much damn better – should not be all that difficult.

you wrote:

Hey, Miss New Amerikwa! If Pierce was compromised, a government asset as you and “Big Lie” Covington and Willis “Born Again” Carto and Commander ASSWIPE say he was, why would the FBI have to stoop to going through his garbage at the Pocahontas County dump to find who might have been buying books from him in the late 1980s? If he worked for them, all they would have had to do was instruct him to “give ‘em up!” I’ve made the trash/garbage runs to those same dumpsters and tried to picture the Famous But Incompetent there, lurking in the surrounding woods with their little walkie-talkies and binoculars and latex gloves, waiting for me to leave so they could do some serious dumpster diving. I liked to put a couple o’ big scoops o’ dog shit in with paper trash, just in case Dr. Pierce wasn’t an FBI asset.

in reply:
Everyone has to go through the motions.

If FBOne did not do the usual rubbish rummage, it would have been much more difficult to explain how they knew so much, and why the National Alliance did so little, compared to what it COULD have done.

So, everyone is reporting to the Good Ol’ Boys about FBOne doing a garbage run from, and nobody sees the real contact in action.

Of course, you never explained why Pierce dumped the entire National Alliance membership list in the trash, at all, much less having it nicely sorted and ready to go.

So, FBOne does Security Theater, for the amusement of the locals, while they also get the information they really need.

In doing so, they make sure that Pierce is right on script, and his National Alliance is not doing anything that might actually make a structural difference in national politics.

you wrote:

Like I said, you did not know WLP, except what supposed “truth” you gleaned from professor Griffith’s FOADMD and from Dr. Pierce’s rivals/enemies, like your “best and brightest” Maximal Leader, Defendant Covington. Griffith didn’t know Pierce much better than you or Tub o’ Lard Fuhrer did.

in reply:
I know enough about Pierce from the fame of a dead man’s deeds.

His Glass Ceiling approach to the National Alliance speaks ill of him, particularly as a servant of his RACE.

I am glad, for the good he did.

I am not happy, as he could have done much more; with people like Mathews, Linder, “Abbott,” Dr. Bob and Kevin Alfred Strom, he could have done MUCH more…

you wrote:

I was Dr. Pierce’s first National Alliance Membership Coordinator, his Executive Officer, and worked with him closely, my office adjacent to his. He invited me to come live with him in WV in 1991 when Kevin had just come on staff to launch American Dissident Voices. It was just the three of us, and WLP’s wife Sue and KAS’s wife Kirsten, back then.

in reply:
Ah, The Good Old Days…

Put down the applejack, Granpa.

We shall remember to be better – much damn better – this time.

you wrote:

Kevin and I knew Dr. Pierce, and it wasn’t in some goddamned “inappropriate relationship,” either. We know what happened. So do others. I don’t need you writing my history anymore than I need Morris Dees or Abe Foxman or Defendant Covington writing about me through their enemy eyes.

in reply:
I suspect many people “knew” Dr. Pierce, but nobody “knew” him as well as FBOne.

His license to mislead was in good status, and perhaps that explains why nothing happened when he took Order money, an act which would get the rest of us twenty-to-life in a Federal Correctional Institution.

you wrote:

I feel sorrow for Kevin. Nobody told him it was going to be easy.

in reply:
I feel very sorry for Kevin.

He trusted in the kindness of strangers, and had enough faith in “The Cause” that he didn’t follow events, and relationships, to their logical conclusion.

Parenthetically, speaking of “the kindness of strangers,” and “Movement People,” when do you suppose Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom will answer OTPTT’s Questions?

you wrote:

You asked me: “What have you done since [WLP’s death] that can begin to compare with the Vision defined and outlined in Covington’s “First Northwest Trilogy,” particularly as defined in “A Distant Thunder?”

I don’t really care much about your phoney Fuhrer’s outline, Bub. I’m more interested in where this Great White Leader lays his delusional head each night, where he’s hiding from me now. Won’t he have to come out of hiding eventually in order to lead the Great White Migration — his “Butler Plan — to the North West Homeland? I mean, let’s get real, Miss New Amerika.

in reply:
Actually, you sort of ignored the question, which begins with the words, “What have you done since [WLP's death]…?”

The rest of us have moved on, and, in the case of Harold Covington’s “First Northwest Trilogy,” we have moved on to something much damn better than the self-selected impotence of Pierce’s National Alliance.

you wrote:

Tell your leader I just renewed the $110,088 judgment (+ ten years interest @ 8%) for another ten years. I’m allowed to send your chickenshit Fuhrer notice of this by registered mail to his last known address, and there will be a public notice in the local paper there. If he wants to challenge it, he can, but he’ll have to meet me in court. He can’t come out from under his rock to lead you like a man for another decade, Miss Amerikwa. What do you think of that?

in reply:
“Lead from the front” is what Covington has done best, as his Ideas literally pull you forward, and are loosely drawn enough to allow you to fill in the blanks, and, in doing so, lay the foundation for a Brighter, Whiter Future, for your Posterity.

Thus, “A Distant Thunder” gives us a masterful analysis of the foundation of a National Socialist economic order, particularly on pages 138-150, and allows us to CREATE such a system, starting where we are.

Pierce told us what was wrong, but not WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT.

The answers to WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT eventually lead you to a White Nation, and, in time, a National Socialist economic order.

That requires political organization, and THAT is Pierce’s Glass Ceiling for White Nationalism.

Like the Conservatards, we can bitch, moan, and complain all day; the Solution requires a degree of personal responsibility, then Familial responsibility, and finally RACIAL responsibility, all flowing organically, one into another.

Pierce made sure The Solution was somewhere in the clouds over the Glass Ceiling.

I also suspect that Pierce, like Rockwell, was desperately seeking Quality People.

He just didn’t have a Plan to develop them past where they were, and, to a degree, that is their fault, as much as his.

you wrote:

I haven’t done much of any great significance for the cause since Dr. Pierce’s death. I took my third wife and tried again to have a family, but that didn’t take, again. I’ve pretty much just tried to keep folks honest, and my criticism of those who’ve claimed to be successor to WLP’s National Alliance hasn’t set well with them. The fact that I’m permanently banned from Linder’s VNNF, Stormfront and Gliebe’s resistance.com tell’s me I must be saying something right.

in rely:
It might not be that are you saying “something right.”

It might be that what you have to say doesn’t add much to the conversation.

It’s just fine for Ol’ Granpa to sit up on the porch, sipping away at the bottle of applejack.

He just can’t come down and tell the rest of us how to build a better world.

He’s stuck in his past, and he’s comfortable there.

If the Real World starts to intrude too much, well, there’s always the bottle of applejack…

you wrote:

WWWLPD? He would have a dynamic interactive Alliance presence on the ‘Net — we discussed streaming video back in the 1990s — but none of this so-called “uncensored free speech” crap where chaos reigns; none of the “Big Tent” crap welcoming competing ideologies that EVERYONE has adopted since WLP’s death for their so-called “vanguards.”

in reply:
Why didn’t he design an Organization that could carry the ball down the field if he passed away?

“Glass Ceiling?”

Or, hints from certain agencies that he could go this far…

you wrote:

Some of us know what he would be doing. We clearly see what he would not be doing all around us.

in reply:
Pierce didn’t define The Next Step, for have any idea how to get there.

Nothing wrong with that.

Covington has succeeded – brilliantly – where all of the other White Nationalists have failed, for his “First Northwest Trilogy,” and, in particular, “A Distant Thunder,” have given one and all a Goal that is broad enough for us, and our Posterity.

He has provided the reasons, and the rationales.

He has also removed all of our excuses.

WE MUST START WHERE WE ARE, AND NE WHAT WE WANT THE WORLD TO BECOME.

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE

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in reply to Vaultner:

you wrote:

jew boy Amerikwa said:
“I feel sympathetic to Kevin Alfred Strom”
“dare I say it? – inappropriate relationship with Pierce,”
Sounds like you called them faggots to me.
“Well, at least you are learning from your better, and finally got the spelling right!”
FUCK YOU!
You’re about the most annoying wishy-washy twit I’ve ever corresponded with.

in reply:
Might I introduce you to the failed men of “‘Movement’ Past?”

Just talk to them on the porch up there, sipping away at the applejack, speaking of a Glorious Past…

While they are certainly “annoying,” they are not “wishy-washy.”

Especially when they have Liquid Courage to inspire them!

you wrote:

You still don’t get it do you pal?
For starters say what you mean & mean what you say!

in reply:
Great suggestion!

Yesterday is gone, “‘Movement’ Past” was as useful to White Nationalists as CONservatism was to patriotic Americans – one failed, impotent, false flag after another.

All of the porch sitters crack back on the applejack, and talk of days gone by; days that will never return in any way, shape or form.

Only Covington – I repeat – ONLY Covington – has defined our issues at the RACIAL level in terms of a RACIAL solution, based on a Theory of Positive RACISM.

Covington’s First Northwest Trilogy literally lays the key to opening the Universe in our hands.

Notice, all of the other White Nationalist thinkers – with the exception of Bob Whitaker, and a precious few others – speak of an America that will somehow be miraculously cleansed of the demonic Jews, the crackhead niggers, and the rest of the Mud Races.

To recapture America Past is impossible; the recover, and transform, the best of America Past into America Future, is the damn difficult work of lifetimes.

It is, literally, the intentional formation of a Nation, in the framework of forming a National Homeland, for the White RACE.

No greater challenge is imaginable, and no better challenge stands before us.

you wrote:

Go ahead send Alex Linder another $40.

in reply:
Once again, you have stumbled across The Truth!

Additionally, we can have Will Williams take the $100,000 judgment against Harold Covington, and sign it over to Alex Linder – neither will ever see a penny, of course, but Linder could do something honorable, like tear it up…

I bet Will Williams won’t do that.

In the meantime, here’s something worthwhile to look at:

http://www.montanasnewsstation.com/Global/story.asp?S=6608221&nav=menu227_10_7

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE

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Covington is a well-known fraud and World Class Liar who has always attracted a small following of anonymous ‘Net Nazis like Miss New Amerikwa who can dissemble those fundamental facts to promote the failed novelist — not to mention, the documented paranoid schizophrenic — as the Great White Leader.

The bad news is that Miss Amerikwa is given a platform here at VNN to promote a fraud. The good news is, though I am “permanently” banned/blocked at VNNF, unable to counter Defendant C’s Great Promoter, I’m able, for the time being, to post comments here that will let newbies know there is another side to Miss New Amerikwa’s line of patter.

This thread is about KAS. I recommend people go to this post by Mr. Malleus in VNNF section on books online: http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=64501&page=5

Attack! The best of National Vanguard

http://www.solargeneral.info/library/Attack.pdf Here’s a good line from that review that says it better than I can: ”

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[I]n 1974, “as Dr. Pierce and his co-workers came to appreciate more fully the magnitude and time scale of the task facing them, their approach became more fundamental. . . . The programmatic emphasis shifted from a superficial confrontation with the enemies of our people to the building of the necessary organizational foundation for a final victory over those enemies. Simultaneously, the emphasis in recruiting shifted from quantity to quality.”

“Quality over quantity.” That’s how one builds a revolutionary vanguard from scratch that’s geared for the long haul, for “final victory.” Dr. Pierce started over with nothing several times, including 1985, after the Order debacle. When I went to work with him he had less than 200 approved membership applications in a shoebox, not even in alphabetical order. It had taken him those six intervening years to relocate to WV and regroup to the point where he could crank things back up “to exert any impact on current events, government policies, and public consciousness,” as the reviewer put it. There was another downturn in ’95 as all the hype by Morris Dees that The Turner Diaries was the blueprint of the OKC-bombing scared off many of the weaker-willed, more suggestible members, but growth continued, thanks in large part to the work of Kevin Alfred Strom as Media Director and producer of American Dissident Voices. Kevin did his part and no one can diminish all he has done for the cause over his unfortunate current personal problems.

This is not about me, either, but since Miss NW Amerika writes this, I’ll respond:

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[W]e can have Will Williams take the $100,000 judgment against Harold Covington, and sign it over to Alex Linder – neither will ever see a penny, of course, but Linder could do something honorable, like tear it up…

I bet Will Williams won’t do that.

In the meantime, here’s something worthwhile to look at:

http://www.montanasnewsstation.com/Global/story.asp?S=6608221&nav=menu227_10_7
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Which of those rocks is Commander Tub o’ Lard’s NW headquarters?

I don’t need to collect the money as long as Defendant Covington’s defense from it’s execution is to remain under his rock, effectively neutralized, dependent on surrogates who babble on about apple jack and glass ceilings and “Granpas” living in the past.

It’s $200,000 Tubby owes me now, not $100,000. Do the math on 8% interest on $110,088 x 10 years. I sure got a kick out of Judge Gessner’s awarding me that extra $88 from the self-styled “Leader of all National Socialists worldwide.”

I doubt I’d give the $200,000 check to Mr. Linder since he appears to many to have thrown in with not only Commander Tubby, but with that other fraudulent fuhrer, Commander ASSWIPE. I’m afraid I can’t trust his judgment to make the most of a $200,000 grant.

No, I’d fire up something new; something serious that didn’t confuse newbies and demoralize ol’ soldiers with the “Big Tent” of contradictory/opposed ideologies. Nor would I allow a platform for disrupters and political saboteurs and do-nothing yappers who do not share my fundamental world view as a truth-seeking, militant biological racist; they have VNNF, where my type has been marginalized. That’s OK. They’ll need their ‘Net hangout, too.

If done carefully, there’s a reasonable chance we could attract and regather scattered, trusted Pierce loyalists and attract many others who feel they have no group to associate with, no group that they have any genuine confidence in. The $200,000 is not necessary for this as much is the “human material,” as Dr. Pierce would say.

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Will Williams Says:

27 April, 2008 at 9:40 am

Covington is a well-known fraud and World Class Liar who has always attracted a small following

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Will, you broke the idiots jaw by explaining the W.L.P. was not a false flag, if they the NKVD had to go to a Land fill Dump site to find the names of folk buying books. Haaa.

The Enternal Enemy Aliens have so much money, and on top of paid POS they have a ton of useful idiots to help out.

The level of the NON White invasion since the 1986 Am-nasty is over 50 million. Chain stores will put up NON Whites in a hotel and pay meals just to get die-vesity up front and in your face in the few remaining White Bubbles in this Regime. We have no Nation.

Our best young White men in the regime are not going in the miliarty as a whole any more, if I am correct.

Bottom line is the None of the Public Commons are safe any more in any Western ex Nations city streets any more.

The Flds attack if I am correct shows the raw insane NKVDee’s lust/hatred against any Whites, who want their own space.

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New America:

Given the fact that Alex respects Pierce (as many at VNN do), I think that repeated claims that Pierce “had a secret deal with the Feds” are out of place here. This post was/is about Strom being sentenced. In other words, it really isn’t supposed to be a Pierce-bashing forum.

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Schizophrenia Symptoms: What are Delusions and Thought Disorders?

Overview of the positive schizophrenia symptoms of delusions and thought disorders:

schizophrenia symptoms,delusions Many people are unaware that schizophrenia symptoms can actually be categorized into three different groups: positive symptoms (excesses of thought, emotion, and behavior), negative schizophrenia symptoms (deficits of, emotion, and behavior), and psychomotor symptoms. Men are more likely to display negative symptoms than women, while both sexes seem to manifest positive symptoms to approximately the same degree. Positive schizophrenia symptoms are “pathological excesses,” or what may be described as bizarre additions to a person’s behavior. Delusions, disorganized thinking and speech, heightened perceptions and hallucinations, and inappropriate affect are the positive symptoms most often found in schizophrenia.

Schizophrenia Symptoms – Delusions:

Delusions are some the most common of the schizophrenia symptoms. Delusions are ideas that you may believe in fervently but actually have no basis in fact. Some people with schizophrenia symptoms hold a single delusion, that seems to dominate their life, while others have many delusions. Delusions of persecution are the most common. People with these types of delusions usually feel that they’re being plotted or discriminated against, spied on, threatened, attacked or deliberately victimized.

Delusions of reference are also relatively common. These types of schizophrenia symptoms are when an individual attaches special personal meaning to actions of others or to various objects and events when there is no information to confirm this experience. Frequently, individuals may feel that televisions are talking to them or people are sending thoughts to them. Some of the other more common delusions include delusions of grandeur in which individuals believe they have enormously empowered characteristics (great inventor, movie star etc.) and delusions of control, in which they believe their feelings, thoughts, and actions are being controlled by other people.

Schizophrenia Symptoms – Disorganized thinking and speech:

People with schizophrenia symptoms may not be able to think in logical ways and may demonstrate various peculiarities. These formal thought disorders may cause the sufferer to feel enormous confusion and make communication very difficult. Often these symptoms take the form of loose associations, neologisms, perseveration, and clang.

People who have loose associations and derailment, the two most common formal thought disorders, rapidly shift from topic to topic, making it very difficult to follow their conversation. Unfortunately, they believe their incoherent statements make perfectly good sense. What may appear to be a single, unimportant word, then becomes the focus or topic of the next sentence.

Some people with schizophrenia symptoms also use neologisms, which are made-up words that typically have only meaning to the individual who uses them. Other individuals have the formal thought disorder, perseveration, in which they repeat their words and statements over and over. Some also use clang or rhyming to express themselves.

Formal thought disorders are not unique to individuals displaying schizophrenia symptoms. Loose associations and perseveration may also be manifested in individuals during episodes of mania. Also, even when people function normally, they may organize statements loosely or on occasion use words that others fail to understand, especially when they’re tired or ill. Incidences of formal thought disorders however, are much more common and severe. Research has found that some disorganized speech or thinking may appear long before an entire pattern of schizophrenia unfolds and/or is diagnosed.

Information provided by Ronald J. Comer’s Abnormal Psychology

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Socrates:

Did another one get caught in the spam filter?

I thought not using the exclamation point at the end of “HERE” solved the problem.

Thanks.

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE

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Some quick comments for Socrates:

One, VNN is still running WP 2.2; WP is now up to 2.5.1.

Two, any reason why the Voice of Reason radio shows aren’t announced daily?

Three, Voice of Reason – like VNN Broadcasting – makes their recordings available for download at file sizes that are burdensome for dial-up people. VOR goes out at 96, while 24 is more than adequate. VNN used to go out at 64, I think. Same thing.

Four, I can understand Linder’s anxiety at discussions of Pierce having “limits” set on his activism; I’m sorry we can’t point out the obvious about the Order money, for example, as I am sure our detractors will.

Five, I understand that constructive criticism of the (Piercian) National Alliance is still allowed, particularly in their failure to develop any sort of organization past the people in Hillsboro.

If I am wrong on any of this, please let me know.

Incidentally, it might be that having a hyperlink might stop the filter, as well.

I’ll try to remember that!

Thanks for all you do!

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE

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# Vaultner Says:
27 April, 2008 at 5:18 pm

Second posting:
jew boy Amerikwa:
I’ve come to the conclusion that there’s actually something wrong with you. Is there some reason that you can’t pay attention to any other posts on this thread but your own & continue to spout out material unrelated as a response to our comments?

Jesus Christ, you are fucking stupid, “Jew Boy Vaultner.” New America QUOTED you and responded. How could he not be “paying attention to any other posts?”

Or, can’t you tell when someone is trying to conceptualize a bigger picture, and is bringing in information from multiple sources in order to tie things together?

Is there some reason that you can’t pay attention to any other posts on this thread?

second posting
Is there some reason that you can’t pay attention to any other posts on this thread?

third posting
Is there some reason that you can’t pay attention to any other posts on this thread?

Dumbass. Start here:

http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/cartoon/images/seuss/bk-abc.jpg

Come back after you get up to speed.

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New America Says:
27 April, 2008 at 2:44 pm

in reply to Howdy Doody:

Hello, Puppet!

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If only the folks knew the truth of today back when Howdy was the one eyed box we would never have opened our borders etc.

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Socrates:

Did another one get caught in the spam filter?

Thanks!

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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I’m already grown up, and so far I haven’t called anyone a “Jew” just because I don’t agree with them. In your case, I was mocking you for doing just that. Which is why I put your name in quotes

Instead you try to monopolize by throwing out a bunch of needless irrelevant references.

This is my second post, so how can I be monopolizing?

Anyway, Let the man speak. It seems New America is trying to “break through” on some conceptual point. That’s not easy, I’ve been there, done that, and it seems heaven and earth turn against you. the closer you get to actually “breaking through” for lack of a better way of saying it.

Frankly, it makes me uncomfortable, as some of his “high school” references hit a little close to home. But let the chips fall where they may. Are any of us exactly sane and whole, after living in the cesspool that is the USA?

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Socrates:

Another idea for this Main Page.

IF they did away with the “squares1.jpg” altogether, they have so much blank space at the bottom in the first place, they could more than double the numbers of topics on the Main Page.

Thanks!

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE

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Miss New Amerikwa scribbled:

“I really do not care who people THINK Covington was…I really do not care…I was impressed when I hear William Pierce on the American Dissident Voices broadcast. I am much more impressed when I realize Pierce was reading the words – the concrete analysis and commentary – of Kevin Alfred Strom…”

OK, Miss New Amerikwa, we know you don’t care what people THINK Defendant Covington was, and still is: a world class liar and fraud. But what will you do about the $200,000 he owes me that has him hog-tied?

It’s no surprise that you are a Commander ASSWIPE fan, as well, since you are attracted to the Hollywood Nazi-type type who have little regard for truth.

But why spread the lie that KAS wrote Dr. Pierce’s ADV essays? Care to name which of WLP’s 300+ ADV broadcasts KAS wrote for him?

You’ve learned well from your Leader-in-hiding. Too bad I’ve got him by his balls. He can never own anything, or I’ll take it; he can never return to Chapel Hill, or anywhere else in NC, without risking arrest for the criminal contempt of court warrant that’s outstanding — and he cannot come out of hiding to lead your goofball “Butler Plan.” Sounds to me like he’s the “loser.” Good luck using your VNN platform trying to build “the Rabbi” up as a “winner” by tearing Dr. Pierce down.

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Vaultner Says:
29 April, 2008 at 8:25 am

Hoosier/New America
“This is my second post, so how can I be monopolizing?”
I only added the “you” since you, “Hoosier” were taking the podium for “New America”.

First of all, I’m not New America, but I think he should be heard, I gave my reasons why. He’s had a lot of good points, in my opinion, over time. Plus, he’s had my back a time or two, so I’m returning the favor.

I’m not calling you Vaultner/Will Williams because you two seem to be taking a similar slant. You can knock off the Kindergarten message board tactics anytime.

But if you intend & feel that you are a staunch right wing/neo NAZI conservative then for Gods sakes please sound like it.

OK, “kill the niggers, kill the niggers, kill the niggers! 1488! When the Day Of The Rope comes……!” There, are you happy? I’m a guy from middle America, from the middle class, who stumbled across racial and biological truths, looking for something else entirely. I write here the way I talk in “the real world,” and I’m not going to bend myself into a pretzel so I sound like whatever a Neo Nazi is supposed to sound like, or anyone else for that matter. You can take it or leave it.

I wrote my opinion of Kevin Strom above, You will note that I agree with you. Now, I don’t beleive New America is defending Kevin Strom’s actions, or condoning kiddie porn. I don’t beleive he’s trying to tear down William Pierce either. I do beleive he’s trying to analyse what went wrong. Obviously, something went REAL WRONG at some point. Who runs his org now, Erich gliebe? Kevin Strom is in jail for Kiddie Porn? Jesus Christ.

I don’t want to speak for New America, because he can speak for himself. But, like I said, it seems he is reaching for a bigger point, and I for one would like to hear it. It may come out in this thread, it may come out later. I could be wrong about the whole thing.

As far as your other points, I’m going to let it go, and not comment, as this thread is getting messy enough.

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in reply to Will Williams:

Most of your post consists of your incessant bragging – to what end? – concerning your litigation against Harold Covington.

In the words of Giap, “It is true, and it does not matter.”

Covington has succeeded where all – ALL – White Nationalist “Leaders” and, damn, but I am using THAT term lossely – have failed.

Covington’s analysis is comprehensive, descriptive, and prescriptive.

He has define an entire expansion path for the Creation, and expansion, of a White Nationalist NATION, and, in time, a White Nationalist HOMELAND, which includes – at the end of “A Distant Thunder” – our colony on Mars.

His Ideas will be here, working actively to Create a new, Brighter, Whiter America, for our Posterity. For example, nightly, my nephews and I discuss his national socialist economic model, and how it could work in dealing with our present circumstances.

Nobody quote you, Will, nobody cites you, and nobody care about you; so, the only way you get attention is negative.

Your are a loser.

Covington’s Path leads us back “To The Stars,” to quote the title of one of Kevin Alfred Strom’s American Dissident Voices broadcasts.

Your “Path” leads us to rocking on the front porch, nipping at the applejack, and dreaming the dreams of failures, whose past “successes” are really second-hand glory:

“I knew William Pierce. I worked with William Pierce. I was…”

Yeah, yeah.

Go back to sleep, Gran’pa.

In deference to the sensibilities of others, I will address your only point that is remotely salient to the topic of this thread, Kevin Alfred Strom.

you wrote:

But why spread the lie that KAS wrote Dr. Pierce’s ADV essays? Care to name which of WLP’s 300+ ADV broadcasts KAS wrote for him?

in reply:
Hell, probably all of them.

American Dissident Voices was the Idea of Kevin Alfred Strom; he wrote, recorded, produced and broadcasted them.

It would be best to ask Pierce.

Then, we could also ask him about dropping membership lists off at the county dump.

We could also ask him why, with a mailing/membership list in the thousands, he never tried to move forward with Rockwell’s Model – getting involved in conventional politics, and mayeb even forming a real political organization.

We COULD even ask him about the Order money, and why he seems to have earned a “pass” from (1) being in the docket at Fort Smith, or (2) facing twenty-to-life at a Federal Correctional Institution.

We could ask him why, but, you know something, Will?

I think I know why.

With the Covington Model, our best days are ahead of us.

With the Pierce Model, our best day, was yesterday.

And yesterday – like Pierce – is GONE.

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE

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in reply to Vaultner:

I’ve outlined your various responses, and, for the life of me, I can’t see where you are going here.

I THINK you are critical of my support for Kevin Alfred Strom.

I think you believe such support is misplaced, as Kevin Alfred Strom is of no use whatsoever to the “Movement.”

If that is so, so far, let me summarize my beliefs:

(1) Kevin Alfred Strom, excellent broadcaster, excellent writer, blocked from the full use of his Talents by inappropriate relationships with inappropriate people, can still do so much good for our RACE, by devoting the rest of his to a Higher Calling, as a Servant of the RACE.

(2) Having Kevin Alfred Strom working for the RACE in public is bad for “the Movement.”

If your anger is for the harm Kevin Alfred Strom may do to “the Movement,” then put your fears to rest.

There WAS no “Movement,” there IS no “Movement,” and there will not BE any damn “Movement,” as most – except for Harold Covington – would see fit to define it.

Read about David Lane.

He went LOOKING for the damn “Movement,” and ended up dying in Federal prison.

In part, I think, it was because he decided for FORCE an organic process, rather than try to conceptualize what such a Movement would look like, and THEN, ask himself what his Role in the Creation of such a Movement would be, as a selfless servant of the RACE.

I have been thinking and rethinking all of these models of RACIAL Organization in light of the life and writings of Dr. Sam Francis, and I think I’m starting to make some headway on this.

Lane, et. al, were doomed to failure, because they took the color television model of “Revolution” – ARMED REBELLION AGAINST THE MOST POWERFUL MILITARY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD – rather than looking at how the Goddamn Jews took over America – see Yockey’s commentary of the Revolution of 1933 – without firing a damn shot, by control of the words you hear, the pictures you see, and the money supply.

That’s why I am less supportive of Sky God William Pierce than so many others.

Given his resources, he SHOULD have engaged in intelligent political organization, if only by starting with seeds. Robert Mathews would have been a magnificent political leader. David Lane would be perfect at addressing the needs of working class Whites. National Socialism as an economic model could have been developed organically, in America. In fifty years, maybe, he could see the dream of torchlight parades, and more power to him.

The problem is, Pierce wanted torchlight parades.

THAT is not political power.

THAT is an ephemeral indicia of political power.

Pierce never really went after the one sure way to Create, Sustain and Develop political power organically in America – develop, a step at a time, a political organization, which, by the dint of better ideas – National Socialist economics, with an explicitly White RACIAL focus politically – deriving organically from FAMILY, as the micrcocosm of RACE, RACE, as the macrocosm of Family, and RACE as the Living Bridge between Family and Culture.

Pierce never went after the one sure way, and DAMN, but I can’t help but wonder why.

Covington has laid out the One Sure Way, but he did it in outline form, and we have to flesh out the outline with the substance of our lives.

Most of us lack the courage to do much of anything, even something so simple, effective – and anonymous – as sending TWENTY DOLLARS A MONTH to Alex Linder, address at the top and bottom of your screen.

Ironically, Covington’s Model IS developing, organically, every time a U-HAUL loaded with educated White families, and their belongings, take out from Southern California, to the Northwest Republic.

Some more ideas about that, later.

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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To New America:
“I THINK you are critical of my support for Kevin Alfred Strom.”
I am.
“I think you believe such support is misplaced”
Yes.
I do agree with your opinion of him prior to this scandal, conviction etc. Now if this was someone you had no prior knowledge of & just read about in your local paper, you would have said fry the son of a bitch, never let him out. Right or wrong?
I’ll assume I’m right in that logic & say that places you in (for lack of a more diplomatic term), a hypocritical position.
Strom was in a high profile role with Prussian Blue, a pair of two young girls who perform their musical talents essentially to the theme of Whites only. The story I heard was that he manipulated pictures of the two to appear as lesbians with naked lesbian pictures or something to that effect. THIS SHIT CAN NOT HAPPEN! It is too fragile a thing regardless of the girls’ affiliation with the movement, but that makes it even more important.
“as Kevin Alfred Strom is of no use whatsoever to the “Movement.””? He’s a detriment to the movement, a derailment, When those little girls grow up they could be right in the mainstream music & do a lot for the movement & were doing fine before this. I thank god he didn’t have the opportunity to harm them physically ASSUMING he actually would.
To champion his cause is to put perhaps those girls or other young girls & any movement left at risk.
I’ll repeat part of my post to “Hoosier” because I feel it is a relevant response to some of what you said.
1) I don’t know a lot about Pierce but I think he wanted to be more of an educator than a leader.
2) Even if Covington owes a bunch of money to someone granted he’s a scumbag, but he could still have had valid viewpoints. I’m not familiar with him.
3) If we look to the two successful models of Hitler & Mussolini I think we’ll have better results.
4) Hitler took over Germany much the same way that a U.S. President can declare martial law, he was elected Chancellor first. Not by getting folks to migrate to Bavaria.
5) The man that has done the most to help Whites recently would be Hal Turner. So for now if you’re looking for hope for the future he’s our best hope.
I’m not likely to read Covington’s book I’m glad you like his view points, but I don’t think migration to the North West is a viable solution.
“Covington’s Model IS developing, organically, every time a U-HAUL loaded with educated White families, and their belongings, take out from Southern California, to the Northwest Republic.”
We’ll still be under the Governing body of Washington D.C. I’m sorry to be perfectly frank but it is a utopian pipe dream.
6) I wasn’t & I’m not trying to shut you or anyone else up but I was trying to keep you on topic. Obviously that didn’t work. If anyone was being limited I think it was I.

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in reply to Vaultner:

you wrote:

To New America:
“I THINK you are critical of my support for Kevin Alfred Strom.”
I am.
“I think you believe such support is misplaced”
Yes.
I do agree with your opinion of him prior to this scandal, conviction etc. Now if this was someone you had no prior knowledge of & just read about in your local paper, you would have said fry the son of a bitch, never let him out. Right or wrong?
I’ll assume I’m right in that logic & say that places you in (for lack of a more diplomatic term), a hypocritical position.

in reply:
Ah….

No.

One day, the words “Brutal Divorce” might come to mind. I can only pray you do not experience it personally.

As well, if memory serves, OTPTT noted that Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom had given files from Kevin’s computer to her attorney.

I would like to know when that happened. In other words, how long had Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom been planning to leave Kevin Alfred Strom?

As well, according to the court, Kevin Alfred Strom admitted to the having “file fragements” on his computer…

The problem is, no WINDOWS computer is remotely secure, and having someone – anyone – with access to it, could easily end up with someone having a compromised computer, with “file fragements” on it.

And, given digital technology, high school kids can make a very realistic video of, say, you or I, shaking hands with the Apollo astronauts, on the lunar surface.

So, OTPTT”s Questions go unanswered.

For now.

You have no idea what a horrific divorce can look like; if you think “Hell hath fury,” try “a woman scorned.”

you wrote:

Strom was in a high profile role with Prussian Blue, a pair of two young girls who perform their musical talents essentially to the theme of Whites only. The story I heard was that he manipulated pictures of the two to appear as lesbians with naked lesbian pictures or something to that effect. THIS SHIT CAN NOT HAPPEN! It is too fragile a thing regardless of the girls’ affiliation with the movement, but that makes it even more important.

in reply:
“The story you heard” is a…story.

Who did you hear this “story” from?

Who had access to his computer during this time?

The FACT is, Kevin Alfred Strom created, wrote, edited, and produced “American Dissident Voices” with what was, essentially archaic technology, while being burdened with inappropriate relationships.

Imagine what he could do in a supportive, Adult environment, with Macintosh technology.

I hope we find out.

you wrote:

“as Kevin Alfred Strom is of no use whatsoever to the “Movement.””? He’s a detriment to the movement, a derailment, When those little girls grow up they could be right in the mainstream music & do a lot for the movement & were doing fine before this. I thank god he didn’t have the opportunity to harm them physically ASSUMING he actually would.
To champion his cause is to put perhaps those girls or other young girls & any movement left at risk.

in reply:
Once again, for those who missed the earlier posts, “THERE IS NO MOVEMENT.”

David Lane went looking for it, and ultimately, paid with his life.

Others have paid a lesser price, but it was still more of a price than they could have imagined.

Kevin Alfred Strom is of great value to the Cause of White Nationalism; he was, then, and he is, now.

you wrote:

I’ll repeat part of my post to “Hoosier” because I feel it is a relevant response to some of what you said.
1) I don’t know a lot about Pierce but I think he wanted to be more of an educator than a leader.

in reply:
There’s a lot about Pierce we don’t know, and won’t know.

I would like to know a lot more about why he wasn’t in the dock at Fort Smith for taking Order money, and why he didn’t get twenty-to-life for that.

There’s more, but that’s for openers.

I would also comment that he HAD true Leader material before him – Robert Mathews, for example – but, somehow, didn’t use Mr. Mathews’ remarkable raw Leadership talents for form at least the nucleus of an effective political organization.

you wrote:

2) Even if Covington owes a bunch of money to someone granted he’s a scumbag, but he could still have had valid viewpoints. I’m not familiar with him.

in reply:
Download a free copy of “A Distant Thunder” from his website.

It’s his IDEAS we must become familiar with.

you wrote:

3) If we look to the two successful models of Hitler & Mussolini I think we’ll have better results.

in reply:
One dead, the other hung by his people.

We can, should, and must learn from how Hitler transformed bankrupt Weimar Germany into the world model NSDAP Germany in a very short time.

you wrote:

4) Hitler took over Germany much the same way that a U.S. President can declare martial law, he was elected Chancellor first. Not by getting folks to migrate to Bavaria.

in reply:
He was elected, and he won subsequent referenda.

you wrote:

5) The man that has done the most to help Whites recently would be Hal Turner. So for now if you’re looking for hope for the future he’s our best hope.

in reply:
No.

WE are our best hope.

you wrote:

I’m not likely to read Covington’s book I’m glad you like his view points, but I don’t think migration to the North West is a viable solution.

in reply:
I hope you have a better alternative.

And, I use the Northwest Republic as an overall Analytical Framework into which any issue of White Nationalism can be tested.

We need not MOVE there physically.

We can use the Ideas we develop for the Northwest Republic locally, and expand them regionally.

you wrote:

“Covington’s Model IS developing, organically, every time a U-HAUL loaded with educated White families, and their belongings, take out from Southern California, to the Northwest Republic.”
We’ll still be under the Governing body of Washington D.C. I’m sorry to be perfectly frank but it is a utopian pipe dream.

in reply:
To Pierce, it seems, the logical expansion path – the next step, if you will – the formation of the nucleus of a national political movement, leading to a national political party, was “a utopian pipe dream.”

Also seems to have been part of the National Alliance’s Invisible Glass Ceiling, doesn’t it?

Incidentally, what “utopian pipe dream” was Robert Mathews trying to Create?

you wrote:

6) I wasn’t & I’m not trying to shut you or anyone else up but I was trying to keep you on topic. Obviously that didn’t work. If anyone was being limited I think it was I.

in reply:
The larger framework of this discussion is Kevin Alfred Strom as a proxy for the White Nationalist “Movement.”

More on that, in the time to come.

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE

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in reply to Scipio Americanus:

you wrote:

The problem with this country is that many who would flock to the White movements ranks often have a relative or friend/acquaintance that fits the bill of undesirable, thanks to the jews’ desegregation, affirmative action, & diversity & so they accept all of them. My concern is that more will follow them in that thought process. Now to pick & choose makes us hypocrites. Regardless of any contribution he (Strom) may have made, he becomes a liability. — Vaultner

I think many who flock to “WN” movements are undesirables from the start, who are looking for “action” and are not animated by deeply held convictions regarding the plight of our race and concern for its future. The VNN Forum is a testament to this fact. That is why past organizations have failed and why future ones dedicated to the cause must rectify this by establishing and maintaining the highest standards of excellence for themselves and their people.

in reply:
I could not agree more, and their concept of “action” is usually self-destructive, Societally-destructive, activities.

And those are the ones with a tiny bit of “initiative.”

The rest are merely spectators, failures powered by liquid courage, trying to fulfill Dreams of Adequacy, while suffering under Delusions of Competence.

We must give Bill White credit for this; he, damn near alone, is requiring minimum standards for the members of his organization, in all of its manifestations.

Everyone else is “meet, greet, eat and retreat,” to no good whatsoever.

you wrote:

To pick and choose is never hypocritical, regardless whether standards have been overlooked in the past or not. No doubt, KAS is a serious-minded individual who is passionate about the cause he dedicated his life to, but he has tragically marred his own reputation by the marital choices he has made and by pleading guilty to the possession child pornography. He is not simply a convicted felon but a convicted pedophile!

in reply:
Yes, and he is now at the bottom of the Abyss.

I’m not talking about Kevin Alfred Strom actually joining any White Nationalist “organization,” and I am using the term “organization” very loosely.

He will join whatever is appropriate for a man of his Talents.

We will have nothing to do with it, nor should we.

you wrote:

This fact alone, regardless of mitigating circumstances, makes him persona non grata by default and no amount of rationalizing nor doubletalk by his apologists will convince anyone with a modicum of intelligence to the contrary. His reputation is now tarnished for life. His substantial accomplishments and contributions to the Occidental cause, certainly worthy of praise, are now just a memory. Henceforth, his name is radioactive and will contaminate any organization affiliated with it.

in reply:
We shall see, in the fullness of time.

I suspect he will do more alone – MUCH more – than all but maybe two organizations; Bill White’s ANSWP, and the Voice of Reason Radio Network.

He will certainly give one and all a run for their money.

you wrote:

To quote my favorite race-patriot, the great Romanian nationalist Corneliu Codreanu: ” This country is dying of lack of men, not lack of programs. That is, in other words, it is not programs that we must have, but men, new men. For such as people are today, formed by politicians and infected by the Judaic influence, they will compromise the most brilliant political programs.”

Of course, what “The Captain,” as he was known by his Legionaries, was saying is that a spiritual revolution is the precondition for political revolution if we are to create anything of lasting value. Nothing short of this will succeed, I’m afraid.

What is needed are men of unimpeachable character, motivated by love of race and nation and who live up to the highest standards they set for themselves. Any organization dedicated to such a cause must be hierarchical in structure, with leaders who are validated not via democratic elections and popularity contests but rather by ability, courage, honor, and integrity.

in reply:
Damn, that sounds like the ANSWP Handbook!

you wrote:

KAS has demonstrated deep character flaws that make him unsuitable as a card-carrying member of this cause. I say this not to demonize him but to simply iterate the obvious. While I wish him a successful recovery from the grips of the crippling psychological condition that afflicts him, I do not wish nor hope to see him directly involved in “movement” causes in the future.

Scipio Americanus

in reply:
Fortunately, the “Movement” does not exist.

The Cause has no shortage of opportunties; in fact, apparently, insurmountable opportunities.

That’s where Harold Covington’s Northwest Republic Analytical Model comes in.

And, remember, the Northwest Republic Analytical Model is simple an outline – what we fill in the outline with is up to us.

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

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Damn, that sounds like the ANSWP Handbook! — New America

Well, perhaps that was my Teutonic blood speaking. LOL! For the record, I am not a member nor have I ever read the ANSWP handbook. But I have read and highly recommend Codreanu’s For My Legionaries as well as The Nest Leader’s Manual.

Unfortunately, the ANSWP will have to deal with a whole lot of baggage that comes with adopting the swastika. Sure, its great for spooking the spooks, but will it fly with the average American who has been propagandized since the end of WW II that Hitler was the Devil incarnate? I think not.

In addition, The Commander is ignoring the obvious: German National Socialism was a German nationalist movement developed under circumstances that were substantially different compared to what we as Americans face today. It was not designed for other nations to adopt. Corneliu Cordreanu advanced his own version known as Christian National Socialism via his Iron Guard movement which was designed to meet the specific needs of Romania.

What Bill White needs to do is extract the essence of the National Socialist message and apply it to our own conditions. Attempting to recreate an American version of the NAZI party following the German model is not going to work. This is the United States of America circa 2008, not Germany circa the 1920s. Each country has its own history and heritage that must be respected. Nevertheless, I wish him all the best.

Scipio Americanus

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Scipio Americanus:
“To pick and choose is never hypocritical”
When differences or acceptability in a criminal or an undesirable are determined by ones past experience with or relationship to; One becomes a hypocrite.
One cannot “pick and choose” that pedophiles for instance should have a certain fate, & one in particular is o.k. with you because they are a relative or you respect what else they’ve done with their life. That makes one a hypocrite.

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Miss New Amerikwa scrawled:

“I DO believe that every single White Leader since Rockwell has avoided constructively engaging in the long, hard fight through the Institutions, through the medium of elected politics.

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[Oh! You mean like piggybacking on Ron Paul's R3VOLUTION to spread our message creatively among those all those thousands of liberty lovin' Truthers" and other White political activists who would agree with us on many points, and who likely would be ripe for some ratcheted up ethnocentric radicalization? WLP wrote that election campaigns arguably are our most effective means to reach those still in the electorate. Glenn Miller is a Master at this, willing to teach the new generation of WNs. Young people, listen to Rounder; he won't lie to you. -WWW]
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This is the ONLY way we will actually ACCOMPLISH anything.

Under [Defendant Covington's "new nation" Loyal Opposition] Model, worst case, we have a national organization of people who are skilled in the actual mechanics of governance in a democratic society. We could be the Loyal Opposition to a social order that is in decline, with useful Ideas about how to solve things, rather than complain helplessly about our plight.

Best case, we have people who could form the nucleus of a new nation.

People like Alex Linder, and Bill White, for example.”

Uh huh. Don’t forget Defendant Covington. And you might want to check with all three in your “new nation’s” Cyber-Troika before trotting out a Piercean policy that they loathe, and that they would try to torpedo as they deliberately have done with the Paul campaign.

You should really stop lying about Dr. Pierce. You say it doesn’t matter that I knew Pierce. I’m the only other man who was living there on the mountain with KAS and WLP for those first ADV broadcasts. The ONLY other one. It was my SONY 2010 SW radio that we would gather around every Saturday night with their wives and our teacups and cookies to listen to that week’s LIVE broadcast, then discuss and critiqe. Though not a technician, I was intimately involved in the entire process of producing each show, and participated in some.

That’s not bragging, Miss New Amerikwa, those are facts. I know. You do not. You have all the ephemeral indicia of the quintessential anonymous cybernazi hobbiest. Dr. Pierce warned of your type often in internal National Alliance Membership BULLETINS and in the National Alliance Membership Handbook, which he and KAS and I put together. The way you confirm your “stories” from accessible sources before you tap them out with such authority, Miss New Amerikwa, you will be an ace reporter for either Commanders Covington OR Commander ASSWIPE.

WLP actually understood the virtues of Coudreneau’s requisite “INTEGRITY.”

Great analysis yesterday, scipio americanus! That part of yours and Cap’n Coudreneau’s that Miss New Amerikwa said sounded like a page out of the ASSWIPE Handbook is on spot. WLP worked from that premise about the type of men required to undertake a long term objective against seemingly impossible odds for final victory. WLP knew further that the spiritual aspect was not to be found in Jew-spawned Xianity as the Cap’n embraced personally. Dr. Pierce’s most lasting legacy will be his founding of Cosmotheism, a much more suitable religion for White people — one grounded in reality and Nature — than the Jewish Book of Spooky Fables. His idea, his sparkling vision still lives in the hearts and minds of a scattered vanguard remnant.

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New America said:
“If the Federal judiciary, with all of its psychologists, psychiatrists, and law enforcement professionals, sees fit to release Kevin Alfred Strom to society, you – and I – are in no position to dispute that opinion with legal authority.”
Since when can we trust the Judiciary/Penal system to make decisions for societies best interests? Ever hear of the revolving door? Granted he was convicted of possession not acts however he created some of those pictures by cut & pastes. That would be even easier in the “Macintosh” environment it sounds like you perhaps are willing to provide him.
I did not want to get into Stroms life on a personal level but here it goes:
Now previously on this thread it has been said that Stroms wife is a dyke; not a National Socialist lifestyle. If that’s true, I can only assume that he engaged in such acts with her.
If you feel my last post was non descript or “oblique” as you put it, that’s because I do not care to itemize your comments.
Now if you don’t like the term “Movement” it is still a “Movement” I’m not willing to give up hope.
I’m sure you listen to Alex Linder & the other Vanguard programs,
If you want to open you horizons listen to the Hal Turner show, & Pastor James Wickstrom.
Again what’s left of the “Movement” does not need another splinter group especially a questionable one to further it’s demise.

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Too bad this has drifted off topic, but I’ll be addressing false claims made here by this anonymous know-it-all cybernazi.

Ms. New Amerikwa, with flickering candle in hand, tells us:

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“[I]t is our Duty to see the Light in the Darkness.

“If the Federal judiciary, with all of its psychologists, psychiatrists, and law enforcement professionals, sees fit to release Kevin Alfred Strom to society, you – and I – are in no position to dispute that opinion with legal authority.”
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You’re starting to sound like Commander Rabbit more and more with that “legal authority” crap, Ms. N. Amerika.

Transcribed below is Defendant C’s Answer to Plaintiff’s Claim (IN THE GENERAL COURT OF NORTH CAROLINA; DISTRICT COURT DIVISION – WAKE COUNTY; FILE No. 96CV 11027 – filed 11/18/96) in ‘Williams v. Covington,’ a personal defamation of character (libel) case that’s still active.

Your Commander Covington is attempting here to share with the Court his view of WNs, and why they are not entitled to file a defamation of character action like he and other more normal, reasonable, law-abiding citizens, the good New Amerikwans, are. He’s trying to explain to the court that Plaintiff — me — is an unsavory white supremacist, a leader, no less; and that Defendant is growing weary of my exposing him as a lying fraud, using NC libel statutes. He’s been running like a scalded rabbit from the long legal arm of Lady Justice — the “legal authority” for nearly 12 years now.

The Leader of the New Amerikwa, Defendant Covington, speaks:

Paragraph 18. “Regarding the issue of defamation of character, it is the entirely serious contention of the defendant, and will constitute a substantial portion of the defense, that the plaintiff has no character to defame. For a number of years Mr. Williams has voluntarily adopted a style of life which has involved active membership and leadership roles in a number of white supremacist organizations. This subsequently resulted in his involvement in a series of transactions, incidents, and episodes of such disreputable and unsavory nature that the standards of injury and loss of reputation which would apply to a normal, law-abiding citizen cannot reasonably be said to apply to him. With addressing the moral issues involved, the court will be aware that modern [New] Ameri[kwan] society has determined, in its collective wisdom, that white supremacy and activities related to promoting white supremacy are disreputable and unsavory ‘per se’. It is the contention of the defense that by choosing his present mode of living, in the eyes of all reasonable people he has voluntarily renounced the values and standards of character which would entitle him to bring an action for libel, against the defendant or anyone else.”
—end paragraph 18—

This is the real Commander Covington. He writes well, but has some serious deficiencies in the INTEGRITY department. You’ve hitched your wagon to a hypocritical loser, Ms. New Amerikwa. Admit it.

Oh, and tell your Great White Leader “thank you” for the newest check garnished by my attorneys from his publisher of those books you promote. Get out there and sell those books!! I get every fourth dollar from his revenue stream generatred by sales of them. Sales are down. Promote! Promote! Promote!

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in reply to Will Williams:

This will be my last direct communication to you.

Will, you have crystallized my beliefs about William Luther Pierce, and I am ever so grateful.

The truth is, the truth seems to have been much worse than I could have imagined.

The thread topic is “Kevin Alfred Strom sentenced,” but it could easily be “Yesterday Is Gone, Tomorrow Belong To Me!”

Look at Pierce, and Kevin Alfred Strom, and note that they both used the Forms of an earlier time; Kevin Alfred Strom, with his archaic musical intros and outros, and William Pierce, with his centralized – quite useful, that – “National” Alliance.

I’ve thought about Pierce for the last few days, and I’ve come to a painful conclusion:

Whatever good Pierce did the Movement was done damn near in spite of Pierce, and not because of him.

Look at the history of CONservatism, where we all came from.

Total positive accomplishments – pretty much ZERO.

Very useful as a False Flag, through, designed to have your Enemies collect in one place, and chase their tails like puppies – and not the Enemies, like wolves.

Clever.

The National Alliance, in fact, was little better.

I think there was a reason for that.

Pierce wanted the “National” Alliance to go no further than his country retreat in Hillsboro, West Virginia.

Indeed, it seems only obvious that Pierce cared so little for his “National” Alliance, he made no plans whatsoever for how it would operate upon his passing.

The CAUSE of White Nationalism – the CAUSE of our RACE – is so vital, that whatever Form it took, it was enough to attract some of the best people OF our RACE.

It also insured that the only Forms that were appropriate for actually developing our RACE, and a RACE-based response to the situation before us, would never come to fruition.

There’s a reason for that and, in deference to Alex Linder’s wishes, I will not state what I think that reason was.

The problem is, Will, you, like Pierce, seem to look to the nice, safe, comfortable Past That Never Really Was.

The best of us – Harold Covington, Kevin Alfred Strom, Bill White, and Alex Linder – are trying to build a Future our Posterity will favor, and a NATION that will favor our Posterity.

Peter Shank summed it up best, and I will take the liberty of paraphrasing him:

“Suppose you awoke tomorrow to find all of our RACIAL Enemies gone, simply vanished into thin air. What would you do? Why aren’t you doing that, today?”

He’s right; to paraphrase thinkers from Burnham to Metzger, “WE LET THIS HAPPEN TO US.”

And we can do something about it.

It’s really all I think about these days, Will.

“What can I do, today, now, to insure my Posterity will live in a Brighter, Whiter World?”

Harold Covington has the Answer, writ large.

His Answer will cover a continent, conquered by the only RACE that will – I repeat, WILL – go “To The Stars.”

Pierce’s Answer covered a few acres in Hillsboro, West Virginia, and essentially trapped the RACE there, in a Past That Never Really Was.

Oh, and the best, most effective, most Creative thing Pierce and his “National” Alliance ever did?

That was American Dissident Voices, Created, produced, and broadcast by…

Kevin Alfred Strom.

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE

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New America:
“I simply can not imagine how Kevin Alfred Strom engaged in lesbian acts…”
Threesome.
“I would not assume or accept that Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom is a lesbian.”
I have no idea whether she’s a lesbian or not, she has been accused by some apparently. If Strom didn’t put those pictures there then perhaps she did. Maybe she should be the one in jail.

“AMAZING imagination you seem to have!
Been doing any “cutting ‘n’ pasting” on YOUR computer?
What’s on YOUR hard drive?
Are you SURE?”

My hard drives fine.
How about yours?
Get any E-mail from the Stroms?
Are you the only one with access to your computer?
I’ve got an idea if I want to keep pictures I shouldn’t have on my computer, I’ll keep 10,000 pictures, I think he had on there? & The bad ones will be lost in the shuffle?
How many pictures on your hard drive?
Are you SURE?

“The problem is, the White Nationalist “Movement” consisted of nothing BUT “splinter groups,” who could only afford enough to buy barbecue and beer – for themselves.”
Thank you; I’ll take that as a partial agreement on too many splinter groups being a bad thing.

I think the part of the “Movement” that is dead is the National Alliance. It died with Pierce, look at the mess that ensued with the death of Butler. Which always amazed me because I think Pastor Wickstrom is capable of carrying on in his absence.
Earlier in my posts I said that you expected too much from the leaders as well as the followers. We should be able to, but obviously that’s not the case.
When a leader dies the followers obviously look to new leadership, either appointed or elected. If there is no clear second all agreed to, then it will fail. If the second is not up to the task & has not defined his third again it will fail. Enough said.
We are & have been expecting a grass roots movement that unfortunately can’t succeed, through more than one leadership role.
The success of Hitler came from the Freecorps. Unemployed military men, cast out after WWI. Not people who can usually still manage to eak out a living. Germany was in total ruins, 80% of their GNP was to go for reparations to the Allies. They had nothing & they were often starving. Hitler gave them hope when they had none, & he was not the only Nationalist leader. There were others that for the most part were either made to shut up or were totally destroyed.
Germany had become a Militarized Society in the 1890′s. They understood chains of command & orders. Americans have little or no comprehension of this. Some can understand the need for change & a lack of niggers, faggots, jews, criminals & the rest. But of those fewer can appreciate the Swastikas & the idea of a dictatorship over a Democratic Republic. For me I think it should be a short-term solution until the problems are solved. All of the tools necessary were given to us by the Founding Fathers. It has just been hijacked by the jew.
The best final outcome for America is to return the Constitution to its original intent & add that one little line – For White Europeans only.
We are I think, in the eye of the storm just before the rest of America wakes up to the reality of their fate of rampant crime, ten dollar a gallon gas, exhausted immigration, the furtherance of diversity, etc., etc., & ultimately the next depression. All brought on by the jew. When & if it collapses is when the opportunity is greatest, but not if there are too many chiefs & not enough Indians.

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Reading though all this….I can’t think of anything I want to add at this point.

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in reply to Hoosier:

I think we are engaged in a burial for “Movement Past,” and are working on the Final Requiem.

I’ve pretty much had it with being rational with the irrational, and I want to bury these old losers as soon as possible.

If that is how this thread ends up, so much the better.

I have come to the conclusion – and no one has rebutted it – that Pierce simply captured lightning in a jar with Kevin Alfred Strom, and Strom’s American Dissident Voices broadcasts were the only thing remotely “National” about the National Alliance.

I think this thread is important, for I am finally beginning to articulate the hypothesis concerning Briseis’ concerns – WHY things are much worse than we let on, and WHAT we can do about it.

I think a lot of the gratuitous attacks on Kevin Alfred Strom are based on…jealousy, and the idea that he might begin to fulfill his unique Heritage for unique Destiny of the RACE.

The Soft, Safe, Glorious Past That Never Was is where so much of “Movement Past” went through the motions of RACIAL Activism, but, somehow, they resemble the motions of a hamster on his wheel – lots of activity, but NO productivity.

THAT might be the epitaph of Pierce, and “Movement Past”:

“Activity, Without Productivity.”

I’ll have more to say directly.

Thanks for the comments, and the support!

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE

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in reply to Vaultner:

you wrote:

*snip*
“The problem is, the White Nationalist “Movement” consisted of nothing BUT “splinter groups,” who could only afford enough to buy barbecue and beer – for themselves.”
Thank you; I’ll take that as a partial agreement on too many splinter groups being a bad thing.

in reply:
In fact, the “splinter groups” are insignificant in size, and number.

Just as well, considering what happens in more than one fool is in a room at a time!

you wrote:

I think the part of the “Movement” that is dead is the National Alliance. It died with Pierce, look at the mess that ensued with the death of Butler. Which always amazed me because I think Pastor Wickstrom is capable of carrying on in his absence.
Earlier in my posts I said that you expected too much from the leaders as well as the followers. We should be able to, but obviously that’s not the case.

in reply:
If the “Leaders” can not make plans for the continuity of the organization in their absence, it’s not really an “organization,” in any meaningful sense of the term.

It’s a cult – in the case of the National Alliance, the Cult of One Man, William Luther Pierce.

Pierce dies, cult withers away.

you wrote:

When a leader dies the followers obviously look to new leadership, either appointed or elected. If there is no clear second all agreed to, then it will fail. If the second is not up to the task & has not defined his third again it will fail. Enough said.

in reply:
Funny how Pierce never made any plans for his death, or even groomed someone to fulfill Leadership Duties in his absence.

Think there’s a reason for that?

So do I, and it is not at all flattering to Pierce.

you wrote:

We are & have been expecting a grass roots movement that unfortunately can’t succeed, through more than one leadership role.

in reply:
I suspect there is a bit more to it than that, and I’ll deal with that at the end, in the context of Harold Covington’s Northwest Republic.

you wrote:

The success of Hitler came from the Freecorps. Unemployed military men, cast out after WWI. Not people who can usually still manage to eak out a living. Germany was in total ruins, 80% of their GNP was to go for reparations to the Allies. They had nothing & they were often starving. Hitler gave them hope when they had none, & he was not the only Nationalist leader. There were others that for the most part were either made to shut up or were totally destroyed.

in reply:
I suspect there was more to it than that, but an economic collapse is always the fomenting event for revolutionary moments.

you wrote:

Germany had become a Militarized Society in the 1890’s. They understood chains of command & orders. Americans have little or no comprehension of this. Some can understand the need for change & a lack of niggers, faggots, jews, criminals & the rest. But of those fewer can appreciate the Swastikas & the idea of a dictatorship over a Democratic Republic.

in reply:
I suspect that ninety percent of our nominal RACIAL kin spend more time watching “Oprah,” and “Sportsworld,” than dealing concretely with any issue.

Just as well.

you wrote:

For me I think it should be a short-term solution until the problems are solved. All of the tools necessary were given to us by the Founding Fathers. It has just been hijacked by the jew.

in reply:
The American Revolution of 1776 – 1791 was displaced by the American Revolution of 1860 – 1876, which was displaced by the American Revolution of 1933, which was displaced by the American Revolution of 1968.

The Founding Fathers were not bound to an archaic model of governance, based on the needs of an earlier place and time.

Thus, men who met to amend the Articles of Confederation ended up forming a new nation – the Declaration of Independence was simply the formative event leading to the birth certificate of the new nation, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.

These political events reflected economic changes that has finally crystallized.

There are so many changes in play right now I can not define any but the most obvious – however, certain trends seem obvious.

you wrote:

The best final outcome for America is to return the Constitution to its original intent & add that one little line – For White Europeans only.

in reply:
No.

See above.

We MUST do better.

you wrote:

We are I think, in the eye of the storm just before the rest of America wakes up to the reality of their fate of rampant crime, ten dollar a gallon gas, exhausted immigration, the furtherance of diversity, etc., etc., & ultimately the next depression. All brought on by the jew. When & if it collapses is when the opportunity is greatest, but not if there are too many chiefs & not enough Indians.

in reply:
“For lack of a Vision, the people perish.”

All of the chiefs, and all of the Indians, work to no avail, if they are all heading in the wrong direction.

One direction – the Past – leads directly to Hillsboro, and stops there.

Another direction – the Future – leads to a Brighter, Whiter America Reborn in a Northwest Republic, where the line suddenly goes from horizontal to vertical, and from Kalispell “To The Stars.”

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE

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I think the comments on Kevin Strom aren’t based on jealousy, New America. They’re based on the fact that he pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography. If he really did it, then he crossed a line that cannot be crossed. After that, there’s no coming back to this “movement,” “non-movement,” three ring circus, whatever you want to call it, or whatever it may become in the future. That’s my line in the sand. There’s no need to answer me here, NA, but I ask you consider what I am saying.

But if all the evidence was planted, and his confession is based on torture or some sort of threat of being thrown in a cage with 20 niggers until he signed on the dotted line, Then this is real fucking tragedy. No, either way, it’s a tragedy.

The “movement” as it stands today seems to be like a cult.
I know all about cults, oh yes, yes I do. Back in 1989 I decided to do something about a drinking problem I had developed, so I joined an organization called Alcoholics Anonymous.

Alcoholics Anonymous turned out to be a cult, or “cult-lite” as it’s sometimes refered to by its critics. It was a incomprehensible conflicting mess, and all people did was savage each other. And those damn stupid meetings, with the same people saying the same boring things over and over, acting like they were happy, but really miserable. I also remember the endless negativity.

Finally, despite their dire warnings about my imminent decent into alcoholic madness or death, I had enough of it all, and left. After I left, I went through a period of extreme disorentation, but once I came back to my senses, I was able to resolve my drinking problem completely, on my own, starting with an idea that occured to me out of the blue. A whole shit load of complexity merged into a single strand. Then with a couple books I found at the library and being resourceful, I had the tools I needed. But in order to get past my problem, I had to find that whole new point of view, that was completely different than what I had been exposed to in treatment and AA groups. Compared to the AA way, it was so easy it was almost boring.

Blah Blah, enough about me. Anyway, AA has about a 5-10% success rate. Most people get sick of it and leave. The demands and expectations become TOO FUCKING HARD, too slow, too unreasonable, and most people just give up.

I’d say the movement, as it stands now, has about the same chances of success as AA does – 5-10%, if even that. It’s not going to change either. Another thing about cults is, they will drive the members to the point of madness. Sincere people will be driven almost insane. Insincere exploiters will become more evil but the evil is directed at the other members. The “movement” seems to be eating it’s members.

I don’t know, I’m speculating, maybe Kevin and Elisha Strom got caught in the cult atmosphere, and it ended up bringing out the very worst in them. Harold Covington, it seems, got caught up in the same thing.

It seems like a whole new viewpoint needs to be adopted to the “movement” – mimicking my own experience with AA and drinking.
You may very be right about his books, New America. The right view point, the right “box” very well may be embedded in his books. I’m reading “A Distant Thunder” right now, and you were right about pages 138-152. It’s the best synopsis of economic issues I’ve read yet.

Best Wishes.

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in reply to Hoosier:

you wrote:

I think the comments on Kevin Strom aren’t based on jealousy, New America. They’re based on the fact that he pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography. If he really did it, then he crossed a line that cannot be crossed. After that, there’s no coming back to this “movement,” “non-movement,” three ring circus, whatever you want to call it, or whatever it may become in the future. That’s my line in the sand. There’s no need to answer me here, NA, but I ask you consider what I am saying.

in reply:
I like the “cult/AA” metaphor, and it has stronger relevance than many might think.

And, Kevin Alfred Strom plead to “possession” of recovered file fragments that were defined as child pornography.

There were many opportunities for others to place those on his hard drive, as no WINDOWS pc is secure.

I put the issue of “jealousy” in the context that he Created – there’s that unique Talent only our RACE possesses – wrote, edited, and broadcast the one thing that actually attracted people to White Nationalism, and that was American Dissident Voices.

He did it before, and he can do something not unlike it, again.

Indeed, that is my fond hope…

you wrote:

But if all the evidence was planted, and his confession is based on torture or some sort of threat of being thrown in a cage with 20 niggers until he signed on the dotted line, Then this is real fucking tragedy. No, either way, it’s a tragedy.

in reply:
Would he DARE go to trial, when the chance of defeat would be, literally, a death sentence?

No.

You take the deal, you get your life back. It might not be your OLD life, but it’s yours.

You turn the deal down, you lose your life in a torturous Hell on Earth, knowing that your death is the one thing so many of the inmates wish to see happen.

Take the deal.

you wrote:

The “movement” as it stands today seems to be like a cult.

in reply:
That’s been my sense for some time.

How it became that way is one issue; what can be done about it, is another issue altogether.

More on that directly.

you wrote:

I know all about cults, oh yes, yes I do. Back in 1989 I decided to do something about a drinking problem I had developed, so I joined an organization called Alcoholics Anonymous.

in reply:
Ah, yes, another friend of William W., “Big Book,” and all, including the “One and Only One True Way.”

I almost married an alcoholic…

I thought I could “save her” from alcoholism, when she finally revealed it to me.

Cost me two years of my life…

Never again.

I was forced to learn about alcoholism, as a “disease process,” and Alcoholics Anonymous, as a cult, fairly quickly.

you wrote:

Alcoholics Anonymous turned out to be a cult, or “cult-lite” as it’s sometimes refered to by its critics. It was a incomprehensible conflicting mess, and all people did was savage each other. And those damn stupid meetings, with the same people saying the same boring things over and over, acting like they were happy, but really miserable. I also remember the endless negativity.

in reply:
DAMN, but doesn’t that remind you of so much of what White Nationalism has become?

All manner of bitching, carping, and complaining, and NO WAY UP AND OUT of the situation?

It’s like we are all stuck in the functional equivalent of a sandbox, waiting for Someone to tell us to put away the toys, we have real work to do.

That “Someone” can ONLY be US, taking the personal responsibility to “BE WHAT WE WANT THE WORLD TO BECOME.”

And, if you want to see the “Movement” as a Sandbox, just look at the various bulletin boards…

you wrote:

Finally, despite their dire warnings about my imminent decent into alcoholic madness or death, I had enough of it all, and left. After I left, I went through a period of extreme disorentation, but once I came back to my senses, I was able to resolve my drinking problem completely, on my own, starting with an idea that occured to me out of the blue. A whole shit load of complexity merged into a single strand. Then with a couple books I found at the library and being resourceful, I had the tools I needed. But in order to get past my problem, I had to find that whole new point of view, that was completely different than what I had been exposed to in treatment and AA groups. Compared to the AA way, it was so easy it was almost boring.

in reply:
That’s what White Nationalism was to me, following my reading of Harold Covington’s books.

Suddenly, ALL RACIAL ISSUES had the proper Analytical Framework, and the proper RACIAL Context.

Suddenly, IT ALL MADE SENSE.

All Covington wants us to do is what Adults do, is what Jefferson and Hamilton did, what Edison and Ford did, what Brigham Young did, what Peter Drucker did:

See everything in a new Light, from an Adult perspective, away from the Sandbox.

This is where Adult Responsibility – the ethical foundation of Adult Power – is found.

The “Movement” is like the Taggart Comet, at the end of “Atlas Shrigged”; slowly dying, alone on the prairie.

The Best have moved to Galt’s Gulch, leaving the Rest, behind, in the horrific Sandbox America has become, and will become even more, in the very near future.

you wrote:

Blah Blah, enough about me. Anyway, AA has about a 5-10% success rate. Most people get sick of it and leave. The demands and expectations become TOO FUCKING HARD, too slow, too unreasonable, and most people just give up.

in reply:
It’s “TOO FUCKING HARD” because it relies on a magic formula that only “works” – and I am using that term loosely – about 5-10% of the time.

There is NO VARIATION from the magic formula – true proof of a Cult.

you wrote:

I’d say the movement, as it stands now, has about the same chances of success as AA does – 5-10%, if even that. It’s not going to change either. Another thing about cults is, they will drive the members to the point of madness. Sincere people will be driven almost insane. Insincere exploiters will become more evil but the evil is directed at the other members. The “movement” seems to be eating it’s members.

in reply:
The “Movement” simply can not answer the first question of a successful political organization – “Why Should I Join You?”

So, the “Movement” stays back in the Sandbox, waiting for “Dad” to come back and magically transform them into teh better people they always suspected they were.

Too bad “Dad” left town some time ago, to be with other, more productive, “Adults.”

you wrote:

I don’t know, I’m speculating, maybe Kevin and Elisha Strom got caught in the cult atmosphere, and it ended up bringing out the very worst in them. Harold Covington, it seems, got caught up in the same thing.

in reply:
Covington saw it coming, and rejected the “Cult” model as simply going Nowhere – literally, Nowhere.

Sort of like White Nationalism as currently practiced, isn’t it?

you wrote:

It seems like a whole new viewpoint needs to be adopted to the “movement” – mimicking my own experience with AA and drinking.

in reply:
I could not agree more.

The Adult needs to return; however, he is already here, within us, waiting for us to pay attention to him, as he hearkens us back to our RACIAL Greatness.

THAT is the Problem, and THAT is the Insurmountable Opportunity.

you wrote:

You may very be right about his books, New America. The right view point, the right “box” very well may be embedded in his books. I’m reading “A Distant Thunder” right now, and you were right about pages 138-152. It’s the best synopsis of economic issues I’ve read yet.

Best Wishes.

in reply:
A New Way of Thinking is required for us to Create our way out of the Sandbox that our RACIAL Enemies have placed for us.

The painful answer – “There Is No ‘Movement.’”

There never really was.

And so many people who went looking for it, paid a horrific price for the traps laid in the Form of the “Movement.”

The Answer Is Within – simple as that.

Finding it is the true Work before us.

Again, I use the example of Yankee Jim, who COULD have faced his failed marriage, who COULD have realized it was not Going To Work, and who COULD be playing in a hotel bar in Kalispell, Montana, playing the records on “Oldies Night.”

And, again, that’s why my focus on Kevin Alfred Strom recurs, because I see his adult life as being, in microcosm, the White Nationalist “Movement.”

Kevin Alfred Strom has nothing, and nothing to lose.

He could – and should – Start Where He Is, unburdened by the idea that “Daddy” is coming back to Tell Us What To Do.

So should we all…

While we can.

Thanks for the “cult” metaphor, and the example of AA.

DAMN, but it rings true!

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE

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Socrates Says:
1 May, 2008 at 4:24 pm

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Will Williams:

Here it is:
White Zion, Part 1: http://www.natall.com/pub/2002/113002.txt

Part 2: http://www.natall.com/pub/2002/120702.txt
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Thanks, Socrates. I’ve saved them and can pass them on without sending folks to Erich Gliebe and his disreputable rump Alliance.

I just read Part 1, while pondering Ms. New Amerikwa’s ridiculous claims here that Dr. Pierce planned the NA to fail upon his death. Twenty-eight years ago, before he made the move to WV (and three months before Robert Mathews was Holocausted® by JOG), Dr. Pierce spoke these words:

“I’ll briefly review our general
considerations. We’ve needed a way to make what we’re building
independent of any one person. We have needed to tie it to a living,
growing community which embodies our values and our goals. If the whole
community truly does that, if it is composed of the best of our people,
if it is large enough and has enough resources to sustain itself, then
it should be able to survive the loss of any one person and continue
working toward our goals. If our goal were to get a candidate elected
president in 1988, then survivability would not be an urgent
consideration and we would be foolish to waste much time on it. But, as
a matter of fact, our goal lies far beyond 1988.

I’ve been working to build the Alliance since 1970, and I’m now 50 years
old. It becomes increasingly important to take steps to insure that the
work of the Alliance goes on without interruption in case something
happens to me. Even if I were immortal, however, and could remain at the
helm indefinitely, we would still have a survivability problem…”
—

So, kinsmen, believe who you may, the anonymous promoter of a convicted, lying fraud, who defames Dr. Pierce in his grave, or Dr. Pierce, speaking to us, himself? The audio version is even better.

Ms. New Amerikwa also criticizes WLP for not starting a political party. She doesn’t get it that the National Alliance was a movement with long term goals, from its inception, not a transitory political party.

She should be tied to a chair, put under a bright light, and forced to listen to a loud loop of this for about 72 hours straight, or until she breaks: “We’ve needed a way to make what we’re building
independent of any one person…It becomes increasingly important to take steps to insure that the work of the Alliance goes on without interruption in case something happens to me.”

Kevin Strom, among countless other contributions to the cause, is responsible for giving us this White Zion ADV series. His narrative in this transcript is part of our true movement history and is valued highest by the best historian as primary source material — KAS’s “lusting in his heart,” notwithstanding. History will be kind to Mr. Kevin Alfred Strom……………..if we prevail. Losers don’t write the histories.

Enough has been said here by me. I’ll just remind the reader, and Socrates, especially, that in a healthy movement “free speech” is not granted to subversives, especially anonymous ones — That soon proves to unnecessarily demoralize the more seriously committed comrades — and that lies, calculated to subvert, left unrefuted, tend to become the truth. “Perception is everything” was once Defendant Covington’s motto — no kidding. How does that “by way of deception…” code square with Dr. Pierce’s vow to always tell our people the hard truths they need, but which may make them extremely uncomfortable?

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IT AIN’T OVER ‘TIL IT’Z OVER. . .

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Will Williams said:
On “New America”
“She should be tied to a chair, put under a bright light, and forced to listen to a loud loop of this for about 72 hours straight, or until she breaks: “We’ve needed a way to make what we’re building
independent of any one person…It becomes increasingly important to take steps to insure that the work of the Alliance goes on without interruption in case something happens to me.”

LOL HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

That’s excellent, well said.

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“IT AIN’T OVER ‘TIL IT’Z OVER. . .”

I was talking about this thread, fuckbrain.

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in reply to Hoosier (in a few days!):

I think we have it.

I have argued that accepting White Nationalism is not unlike a process of religious conversion; the Quickening, a moment where the world seems to SHIFT in response to a new shift in your Consciousness, followed by the Awakening, a gradual, life-long endeavor into the functional equivalent of a new life.

The cult is simply a minor Aspect of the religious Impulse that misfires, and NEVER goes beyond The One Man.

For it to be a religion, it must bnd the Consciousness BACK to a premortal state of affairs, a Realm of the Gods, and the temporal manifestation of A Golden Age, when Men followed The Will Of The Gods.

Of ALL religions, only Christianity tries to bind the Consciousness of Man FORWARD, AND has the critical element seen in it’s spiritual forbearer, Zoroastrianism – We have our part to do in the fulfillment of God;s Plan for us, individually, and Mankind, collectively.

To do this, Christianity MUST be the vehicle that bears the Creator’s unique Gift – Creativity.

Institutionalization of Christianity, in turn, affects the religion by crystallizing it, and limiting it’s power of Creative Transformation.

The Clt does not make it even that far.

It consists of one man’s Vision, in one place, at one time.

White Nationalism is basically stuck at the Cult level, with carious Cultists arguing which one follows the True Leader – Rockwell, Duke, Pierce, whoever.

Covington has succeeded by providing the functional equivalent of a religious framework – an entire Universe ready for the only RACE that can transform it into what it COULD, and SHOULD, Become.

Kevin Alfred Strom, freed from the follies of Movement Past, has no shortage of opportunities before him.

Let’s hope he rises to the occasion, as I know he will.

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE

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