27 May, 2008
Jesus and the Talmud
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149 Responses to “Jesus and the Talmud”
27 May, 2008 at 11:34 pm
His boss is a Jew: Shirley Tilghman is President of Princeton.
28 May, 2008 at 12:10 am
Who cares if a bunch of kikes collaborated with Romans to kill another radical kike? I say good riddance.
28 May, 2008 at 12:27 am
test
28 May, 2008 at 7:16 am
I thought the Talmud was written 5,000 years ago. Jesus having lived 2,000 years ago would make it tough to be mentioned in it, unless it’s a prediction of some kind.
28 May, 2008 at 8:32 am
Earth to Vaultner… Earth to Vaultner… google is your friend.
“The Talmud has two components: the Mishnah (c. 200 CE), the first written compendium of Judaism’s Oral Law; and the Gemara (c. 500 CE), a discussion of the Mishnah and related Tannaitic writings that often ventures onto other subjects and expounds broadly on the Tanakh.”
28 May, 2008 at 8:41 am
# Vaultner Says:
28 May, 2008 at 7:16 am
I thought the Talmud was written 5,000 years ago. Jesus having lived 2,000 years ago would make it tough to be mentioned in it, unless it’s a prediction of some kind.
According to Wikipedia, the Talmud was written from about 200 AD (or 200 CE) to 500 AD, so it certainly could include the life of Jesus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud
28 May, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Blight Wing = Pensioner, unemployed, or unemployable. Olde_Dutch = Blight Wing.
28 May, 2008 at 2:08 pm
I read somewhere on the other forum that Alex L. has Crohn’s disease. Now, I was never asked for my advice and even if I was, I am not qualified to be dispensing any. However, I do recall reading the story of Jordan Rubin, who had the same thing. Jordan is one of them jewzferjeezus fellas – not a convert, his parents were. He says that taking soil based organisms turned his health around (with an appropriate diet). But it was mainly these powerful probiotics. He started a company called Garden of Life, which manufactures this product.
Some people look askance at soil based organisms. If so, there is an improved form of probiotics made in Japan called Dr Ohhira’s Professional Formula probiotics. It is a whole different kettle of fish. I have personally seen it work wonders, and that is all I wish to say.
I saw Jordan on a religious Christian evangelical show, and so help me god, maybe it’s an act, I don’t know, but you could not hope to meet a nicer, kinder, smarter, gentler man. I’m not saying that counts for anything, but was merely my impression, and normally I don’t give a hoot for “niceness” but he really caught my eye.
Alex, if you are reading this, I imagine everybody and his dog are telling you what to do when you are ill, and I understand. – S.
28 May, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Stronza,
I have read Rubin’s book and there’s picture of him on the cover. He appears to be deathly ill and weighs under one-hundred pounds. I hope Alex reads your comment because Rubin’s book convinced me, and buying his products may be Alex’s road back to health. They are available at Whole Foods Market where I live.
Also, Crohn’s can be deadly. A friend of my husband had the disease, and she had a large portion of her intestines removed in order to save her life.
We’re all hoping for the best for Alex and that he’s well soon.. His talents are rare and we need and miss him.
28 May, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Olde_Dutch Says: “You can tell Linder’s off ill—comments are being censored.”
Is that so? It just so happens that a couple of your comments got stuck in the “spam” filter. Make sure of your “facts” before posting.
28 May, 2008 at 10:04 pm
YOSEF LIEBERMAN STILL THINKS THAT THE RAPTURE BUNNIES ARE of SOME USE….KEEP THE FAITH BABY!!!….
A cunning Khazar Yosef Lieberman Says He’ll Speak at Hagee shindig
Wednesday, May 28, 2008 3:29 PM
by Andrei Yustschinsky, Religious Correspondent
WASHINGTON — A cunning Khazar Sen. Yosef Lieberman says he’ll speak at a July hullabullo hosted by con-man and charlitin John Hagee, whose endorsement was recently rejected by Republicunt neo-con shabbos goy John McCain because of Hagee’s controversial remarks in his rapture bunny superstition “beliefs”.
Lieberman, one of presumed GOP (Gay Old Party) presidential nominee McCain’s strongest (most smelly) supporters, said Wednesday while Hagee’s comments were “unacceptable and hurtful”, he will judge him on his life work (vacationing) fighting anti-Khazarism and building collapsible bridges between Christians and Jews.
The Talmudic Yosef Lieberman, I-Conn., will speak at Hagee’s “Christians United for Israel” summit in Washington, District of Criminals.
The senior citizen McCain last week repudiated??? the months-old endorsement by the obese preacher after an audio recording “mysteriously” surfaced in which Hagee said “God” sent Adolf Hitler (founder of modern Israel) to help Jews reach the “promised” (by who?)) land.
© 2008 Associated Pricks. No Rights Reserved. This material can and will be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Andrei Yustschinsky reporting from Washington, District of Cabala
29 May, 2008 at 7:10 am
Randolf Facto, & Hoosier,
I’ve only read excerpts of the Talmud myself, & I did not know that, Thanks.
You jews aren’t that bad to talk to after all. LOL.
29 May, 2008 at 8:47 am
That’s odd… I thought Vaultner was a much-more Jewish sounding name than Facto… especially since your original post seemed to be attempting to contradict the gist of this article, as if the writers of the Talmud couldn’t have known about Jesus.
29 May, 2008 at 9:14 am
Randolf Facto,
Oh no not at all Facto sounds very jewish to me, like a legal term in fact, LOL.
I was not attempting to contradict I simply don’t no as much about the Talmud (seriously); as you jewish fellows, LOL.
29 May, 2008 at 9:34 am
Well then, if you don’t know about something, best you shouldn’t post about it… especially since afterwards you make yourself even more tedious by having to be corrected on numerous additional points beyond the initial subject of the thread, no less… like which ethnic groups usually have vowels at the end of their names, versus which groups often have ‘ner’ as a trailer.
29 May, 2008 at 10:19 am
Randolf Facto,
My original post actually was more or less a question; In other words I was not sure of the age of the text. I have admitted not knowing much about the Talmud & don’t care to study jewish doctrines in depth. I already know they’re evil & hell bent on the destruction of the White race. I just threw it out there to get the answer & thanked you & Hoosier for it. By the way “Vaultner” is not my real name, to my knowledge it has no kike origins & I am no jew!
29 May, 2008 at 12:48 pm
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html
MIKE HOFFMAN’S INFO ON THE TALMUD….
29 May, 2008 at 2:19 pm
What’s up with the retard calling everybody a Jew?
29 May, 2008 at 3:17 pm
My problem with the original Vaultner post was that he didn’t just ask a question, rather, he threw a sideways statement in there for those unfamiliar with the Talmud and Jesus issue, as if the reports about what the Talmud said about Jesus couldn’t be true, if in fact the Talmud was 5000 years old (Jesus obviously not having lived then).
So, to the uninitiated (and/or those too lazy to look it up), taking that post at its word (“I thought the Talmud was 5000 years old…”), one of the aforementioned lazy would say “Ah, the claims about what the Talmud says about Jesus must be just some more of that anti-Semitic propaganda!”.
And by the way “I thought…” is not asking a question, it’s stating what one believes to be the truth.
In the future, Vaultner, if you truly wish to “just ask a question”, then ask a question.
But I think we all really know what you were going for.
There’s no excuse for that sort of loaded ‘question’, followed by a comment meant to possibly cast doubt on the original article, when the vast resources of the internet are available at a moment’s touch.
If you truly “thought” but was not sure the Talmud was 5000 years old, and therefore doubted it could have said anything about Jesus, all you had to do was google, rather than post your allegedly innocent question here.
And then on top of it all, start in with the “you jews” nonsense when we corrected you. Sheesh!
29 May, 2008 at 6:06 pm
I think you’re catching on to him, Randolf Facto.
He’s pulled this shit before, claiming you’re a Jew, I’m a Jew, everyone’s a Jew, Jew. He’s just trying to bait people into a long energy wasting flame war with his stupid questions and his passive-aggressive hissy-fit hostility. Whatever he is, a jewboy, an anti-racist glue sniffer, or just a garden variety loser, He can go fuck himself.
29 May, 2008 at 6:15 pm
I’d like to end my contribution on this thread on a more positive note.
In regards to the comments of Stronza and Campbell Crawford Clan above, please send Alex Linder some money this month. He needs it and he deserves it.
“Send letters, packages, review copies and donations to:
A. Linder, POB 101, Kirksville MO 63501″
30 May, 2008 at 12:15 am
This thread is a working example of why White Nationalism as an organized movement is stuffed. You’ve got antis, you’ve got loons, you’ve got kikes, and you’ve got people who couldn’t post on topic if you held a howitzer to their head. There’s no consensus just cacophony.
30 May, 2008 at 5:45 am
Unfortunately, Obadiah is spot on… white people are their own worst enemy, and you can see that by going to almost any internet forum. (sigh)
30 May, 2008 at 8:04 am
Hoosier, & Randolf Facto,
I’m amazed that you too have no sense of humor.
Hoosier,
I think I know what the “He’s pulled this shit before,” your referring to. That thread was no joke; certain viewpoints on it were highly questionable to me. & YOU CAN GO FUCK YOURSELF you little piss ant. You fucking jerk offs just like to muddle the point & ask for money like you’ll actually do anything useful with it.
30 May, 2008 at 8:20 am
Often, when someone is called on their nonsense, they back-peddle with the “it was only a joke” gambit.
So, taking you at your word, Vaultner… what exactly was funny or “a joke” about your original post, namely:
“I thought the Talmud was written 5,000 years ago. Jesus having lived 2,000 years ago would make it tough to be mentioned in it, unless it’s a prediction of some kind.”
The only “muddling” of any point is when you made this statement.
If someone took you at your word, rather than looking it up for themselves, they’d think that, if you were correct, then the whole “What the Talmud say about Jesus” issue were a red-herring… which it obviously isn’t.
In the future, be a useful member of the community and either TRULY ask a question… or at least look up your honest doubts in google before you post them… because obviously such “I thought…” posts only serve to undermine the intent of the thread and mislead the general audience unfamiliar with the facts.
30 May, 2008 at 8:51 am
Randolf Facto,
What part of any of my posts could have been a joke? The jibe about you guys being jews for reading so much of their literature perhaps?
“I thought the Talmud was written 5,000 years ago.” “I thought” does not entail a statement of fact to the later half of the FUCKING sentence.
You wrote:
“In the future, be a useful member of the community and either TRULY ask a question… or at least look up your honest doubts in google (fuck google) before you post them… because obviously such “I thought…” posts only serve to undermine the intent of the thread and mislead the general audience unfamiliar with the facts.”
DON’T YOU FUCKING LECTURE ME! I DON’T GIVE A FUCK WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN. Several of you would do well to take a course in English literature besides grammar.
If you want to study the jews’ text so much you might as well be one. You know all about their bullshit you do those pathetic little creatures an honor you don’t even realize.
30 May, 2008 at 10:34 am
Last time, you tedious twit:
“Mickey Mantel hit 536 home runs.”
“I thought he hit 636 home runs.”
The second statement is not a question. In fact, it’s an implied contradiction of the first statement, as if “I think I’m right and the other statement is wrong.” And unless somebody bothers to look it up, they will go away thinking that perhaps Mantle did hit over 600 home runs, even though that’s patently false and the first statement was actually the correct one.
As far as your “several of you would do well to take a course in English literature besides grammar” remark, well… as the lawyers say: res ipsa loquitur… that nonsense of your speaks for itself.
Finally, knowing the approximate time when the Talmud was written is not the same as studying the actual text or being intimately familiar with it.
Just learn to admit when you’re wrong… otherwise, the next correction you receive in life might be a bit more painful than a mere lecture.
30 May, 2008 at 11:22 am
You’re a fucking moron “I thought he hit 636 home runs.” Neither does it maintain a statement of fact.
In your minds you guys are just completely infallible aren’t you? You won’t listen to anyone who might have a slightly different viewpoint from your own.
Just learn to admit that the shit you bother studying written by the jews is not worth the paper it’s printed on.
You wrote:
“Just learn to admit when you’re wrong… otherwise, the next correction you receive in life might be a bit more painful than a mere lecture.”
YOU BRING IT RIGHT TO ME YOU FUCKING PUSSY YOU DON’T THREATEN ME YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!
I’M NOT WRONG YOUR WRONG IS THAT ENOUGH FOR YOU?
YOU SIMPLE COCKSUCKING ASSHOLE! YOU TWIST YOUR WORDS TO MEAN WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT & YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT PUSSY GO TO HELL!!
30 May, 2008 at 11:26 am
From the vile and expletive-filled posts on this one topic, (that are not even ABOUT the topic- i.e., the blasphemous and anti-christ nature of the Talmud, and the race of Satan that spawned it [cf. Gospel of John, Chapter Eight, if you can read..])…
I can see that the phantom idea of a ‘White Awareness’ movement, or even a group committed to same, is non-existent. Such vulgarity, such unwillingness to sublimate YOUR egos for the good of the Race, let alone Christendom, is clearly a Judaized mindset. You have learned your antichrist lessons too well, and cannot even mount a counter-defense of the status quo….
At least the Talmudics have a racial solidarity, while they wallow in sin, depravity, and unspeakable evils. You Whites are an embarrassment to your culture, race, and country. Perhaps “Rev. Wright’s” ‘God d—n America’ speech is, in a sense, prophetic. People such as post on this board don’t deserve the benefices of a God-given land, such as the Founding Fathers gave us. And the most lowly farmer in the wilds of Kentucky back then, was more noble the you lot….
30 May, 2008 at 11:53 am
Sometimes it’s the only way to get the point across, & I never claimed to be a Godly man, I try to be honest & to the point.
30 May, 2008 at 11:55 am
“Just learn to admit when you’re wrong… otherwise, the next correction you receive in life might be a bit more painful than a mere lecture.”
That was not a personal threat, that was a word to the wise, for he who has ‘ears to hear’, as it were… along the lines of
Proverbs 19:29
Another reference might be the famous school motto, which I paraphrase: “Learn or depart… a third alternative is to be flogged.”
30 May, 2008 at 12:07 pm
“otherwise, the next correction you receive in life might be a bit more painful than a mere lecture.”
Sounds like a threat to me.
30 May, 2008 at 12:28 pm
As if I personally would be in physical proximity the next time you required correction?
Is that what you TRULY thought… or are you just having a relapse of that pernicious malady of yours… that I-can’t-admit-I’m-wrong syndrome?
(Of course, I’m quite the fool myself to continue this ‘discussion’… my only defense is the (perhaps naive) belief that I’m dealing, when all is said and done, with persons capable of rational thought and reaction. Or perhaps an audience bystander may benefit from what is said.)
30 May, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Why is it that with all your studying of kike texts you seem to have no analytical abilities of written words? You are the one who cannot admit anything whether wrong or even the understanding of a point inferred or clearly stated.
Generally whenever anyone speaks of “pain” it is usually meant in a physical context especially as a correction to some act or deed.
So again I say it sounds like a threat to me.
Can you truly not understand the English language unless it’s in terms of statistical data or something?
It’s amazing you still continue with this aloof air that you know so much. “pernicious malady” Clearly you have no debate skills either.
If anyone is looking for an audience it’s you. You have no idea what you are talking about.
30 May, 2008 at 1:06 pm
I’ll let others decide who has the better understanding of the English language… as well as superior debating skills.
But for the record:
My original use of “painful” was, like I (ahem) already said, in reference to the same sort of pain spoken about in well-known maxims and mottos about those who act as fools or refuse to learn… the more well-known two of which have already been cited.
There was never any threat from me personally, and you well know it, given the actual physical distance between us.
You’re merely being an obstreperous nuisance.
30 May, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Randolf you said:
“There was never any threat from me personally, and you well know it, given the actual physical distance between us.
You’re merely being an obstreperous nuisance.”
This does not surprise me since you don’t seem to pay attention well anyway. If I “well knew it” as you put I would not have taken it that way. “obstreperous nuisance”? Look in the mirror, & Just learn to admit when you’re wrong.
30 May, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Well, unless you turned around and saw me standing behind you, you SHOULD bloody well have known that I wasn’t in the area and hence, couldn’t possibly be a threat to you.
But that sort of reasoning WOULD take an iota of common sense, I suppose… so my bad… I apologize from making you feel physically threatened.
(Now somebody please shoot me for ever having spoken to this disingenuous jackanapse!)
30 May, 2008 at 3:43 pm
People take planes, trains, even bicycles to be where they want to be.
“disingenuous” I never misrepresented myself or my opinions. For all the big words you’ve used before you really need a dictionary. “common sense” HA!
I didn’t & don’t feel physically threatened in any real sense of the term, by you or anyone else & won’t. However that was your intent.
I don’t understand why a few of you on this site cannot seem to engage in conversation without elevating yourselves to some sort of holier than thou realm of I read all these volumes of crap & you should too if you want to make a comment.
30 May, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Vaultner Says:
Hoosier, & Randolf Facto, I’m amazed that you too have no sense of humor.
You can add me to the list of those who “have no sense of humor” — if that’s your idea of humor. Mine, it’s not!
(And btw, we number more than “too”.)
What I do notice, however, is that you’ve managed very effectively to distract the discussion completely away from its topic. Is that “humor” or is there some other purpose?
30 May, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Randolf Facto Says: Unfortunately, Obadiah is spot on… white people are their own worst enemy, and you can see that by going to almost any internet forum. (sigh)
Well, there’s some question as to whether the disrupters are really [what we would consider] white people. But I certainly agree with Obadiah that you’ve got antis, loons, kikes and morons, and it all adds up cacophony.
(Of course, the antis, loons, kikes and morons will vehemently dispute this statement.)
30 May, 2008 at 4:44 pm
in thoughtful reply to Fr. John:
in reply:
I could not agree more.
They have taken the subtle bait of the demonic Jews, and have become what they claim to hate.
I suspect the “White Awareness” “Movement” is only slightly more substantial that the White Nationalist “Movement,” where so few are willing to take the responsibility to be what they want the world to become.
Sometimes we get lucky – Linder, Hoosier, the VOR Radio guys, Sikorski, Metzger, Socrates – but, all too often, we get people who have such trouble functioning in this Reality that it is not worth the trouble to deal with them.
If you look at the parody of White Nationalist “Movements” I call “Movement Past,” you will find they could all fit together, comfortably, on a basketball court, and, for the most part, their “discussions” seem little more substantive than a stunningly dysfunctional family quarrel.
This is the great strength of Harold Covington – he has shown us how to build the foundation for a White Nation, starting where we are, and all we have to do is fill in the outline.
Not us.
I have been incessant in the idea that we should each send twenty bucks a month to Linder, or at least a “Thank You” card.
Not this lot, for the most part.
That’s pretty much human nature, if you think about it.
So few try to make a positive difference that, when they get together, they end up changing the world.
you wrote:
in reply:
Literacy in that day was broader and deeper than in ours, and it was based on a primer for the alphabet, and the King James Bible – that was pretty much it for the households, but it created a Christian nation, with a common Christian ethos, and a common Christian culture.
Racial unity was taken for granted.
Now, we actively seek out everything but Christianity, and have everything but racial unity.
Thus, the Talmudics, who can only agree on their One Commandment – “Is it good for Jews?” – divide and conquer with disheartening ease.
I am to the point that my hope is Isaiah’s Remnant, on the other side of what horrors are soon to befall us.
We have cursed God.
Fine.
Let’s see what happens when He decides to return the favor…
Remember – Judaism is the EXACT opposite of Christianity.
To the extent that we become a Jewish nation, we are the EXACT opposite of what Tocqueville saw.
And, oh, but how our Posterity will curse us…
In Spanglish, the way things are going…
New America
An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!
30 May, 2008 at 6:06 pm
A “dysfunctional family quarrel” indeed.
You should read some of the nasty stuff Harold Covington wrote about Tom Metzger during the course of their petty feud (check out Google’s Usenet archive).
A saint he ain’t.
30 May, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Mantle hit 536. Jesus is a kike. Free Kevin Strom.
30 May, 2008 at 9:17 pm
in reply to # Harold the big shit talker:
you wrote:
in reply:
I’m not looking for saints, or candidates for sainthood.
Everyone in “Movement Past” has often spoken poorly of most everyone else in “Movement Past,” or so it seems. It reminds me of what Kissinger said about faculty infighting at Harvard – “The fighting is so vicious because the stakes are so small.”
It does not matter.
Covington, as I made clear in earlier posts on this blog, has succeeded where all others have failed, in defining the comprehensive outline of WHAT White Nationalism COULD be, if we so chose to actually DO something.
Covington’s First Northwest Republic Trilogy gives one and all a damn near comprehensive outline; all we have to do is fill it in with the substance of our lives.
Indeed, we can say this:
If whatever you are discussing is not compatible with Covington’s Vision, as outlined in his First Northwest Trilogy, and “The Brigade,” all available for download, it is not White Nationalism.
It is – at best – pathetic, delusional, wishful thinking.
I keep looking for the substantive achievements of “Movement Past.”
“Movement Past” did everything but the one thing that works – moving steadily, slowly, confidently, in the direction of a national political organization.
That’s what makes it so pathetic.
Something simple, and VERY effective, like, oh, sending twenty dollars to Linder, or just a “thank-you” card?
No.
Either they truly can not afford it – in which case, they should all be working two full-time jobs to get out of serious debt – or they find the weekly “B & B” – as in “Budweiser and Barbeque” – too valuable.
No problem.
These are the same idiots who write – and avaraciously read – stories about people with old squirrel rifles and old beater cars taking on the most powerful military in the history of the world, AND winning!
Incidentally, Covington also wrote a political organization manual that, the one time someone actually used it, it was actually working – and this guy was wearing the swastika armband in TEXAS.
So, we have all manner of insurmountable opportunities before us.
What we choose to do about that is up to us.
New America
An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!
31 May, 2008 at 12:51 am
“These are the same idiots who write – and avaraciously read – stories about people with old squirrel rifles and old beater cars taking on the most powerful military in the history of the world, AND winning!”
I think I like what you had to say there. I wish you had expanded on that. It really needs saying. Alas, those who need to hear it most are desperately wedded to their Rambo fantasies and their “old squirrel rifles” and will defend them ferociously,refusing to hear what they don’t want to hear: the voice of reason.
31 May, 2008 at 5:32 am
ein,
“What I do notice, however, is that you’ve managed very effectively to distract the discussion completely away from its topic. Is that “humor” or is there some other purpose?”
Distracting the topic was never my intent or for humor. It was however an incredibly easy thing to happen. That such learned serious fellows could be so easily distracted, is more like schoolboys being called to recess. Apparently some here question their own genetics, or there wouldn’t be such uproar over a jestful jibe.
31 May, 2008 at 10:35 am
Sigh. The Canard “Jesus was a Jew” was disabused some fifty years ago.
Just type in “Jesus was NOT a Jew” and you will find an article on ‘biblebelievers.au’ by a Mr. Freedman, who was Jewish… as they define it today. This article should be read by every churchgoer, to clearly jettison the supposed ‘judeo-christian’ [sic] tradition mantra benumbed minds continue to blather on about.
To be ‘anti-semitic’ as it is defined today, is the first step toward a biblically-informed Christianity, frankly. The more one is ‘judeo-friendly,’ the more they are far from the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of YHWH God.
To be neither religious or anti-semitic, is to merely do the Jews’ bidding. For, “He who is not with me (Christ) is against me.”
31 May, 2008 at 1:29 pm
in reply to ein:
Thanks.
It was dealt with at a bit more length in this thread, http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/?p=2852#comments
It is a very important issue, because it explains, to some degree, the common failings of those who went looking for the White Nationalist “Movement,” instead of doing what they would do as if their dreams were a reality.
New America
An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!
31 May, 2008 at 1:33 pm
in reply to Vaultner:
I’ve noticed your comments are either from several people, or you are losing a battle with schizophrenia.
You noted that it was far too easy to take us off the topic.
In reply, that’s because the purpose is to learn, and teach. If people need to go slightly off-topic for the moment, they can always return to the topic when they are ready.
Remember – your Childish imaginings notwithstanding – these posts are read by many, many people, and are designed to speak to a broad audience, an audience that is much broader – and wiser – than the many voices in your head at any one time.
New America
An Idea Whose Time Is HERE
31 May, 2008 at 1:35 pm
in reply to ein:
Thanks for your comment about the squirrel rifle crowd.
I started dealing with this in a discussion with Hoosier in this thread:
http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/?p=2852#comments
This is a critically useful topic, and one that has long required ruthless intellectual honesty in its analysis.
New American
An Idea Whose Time Is HERE
31 May, 2008 at 2:18 pm
in reply to ein:
Thanks for your comment about the squirrel rifle crowd.
I started dealing with this in a discussion with Hoosier in the thread dealing with Kevin Alfred Strom on 21 april 08 titled “Kevin Alfred Strom Sentenced.”
This is a critically useful topic, and one that has long required ruthless intellectual honesty in its analysis.
New American
An Idea Whose Time Is HERE
31 May, 2008 at 3:51 pm
New America,
If you want to try & start at the beginning of the thread & ACTUALLY PAY ATTENTION maybe you’d realize as usual, you don’t have a clue.
Your silly jibes at what you deem to be my character are just that. I don’t have voices in my head unlike you, you ridiculous moron. I will say your making progress you’ve managed to post four whole comments without a reference to Covington.
As far as your posts in “Kevin Alfred Strom Sentenced” they only serve to prove my point, I wonder if you’re not a pedophile cultist yourself.
31 May, 2008 at 5:53 pm
That Bible Believers article was just a silly exercise in verbal sleight of hand.
The guy who wrote it must be ignorant about Jesus’s mom Miriam, because he never mentioned her once.
And speaking of his mom, why did she have her son ritually circumcised if she wasn’t a jew herself, hmmm?
1 June, 2008 at 7:16 am
ouch! I just dropped a hammer on my foot and that really hurt! I just want to kill myself when I do that!
“I just want to kill myself when I do that!”
Sounds like a threat to me.
I BRING IT RIGHT TO ME YOU FUCKING PUSSY I DON’T THREATEN ME YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT! I’M NOT WRONG I’M WRONG IS THAT ENOUGH FOR YOU? I’M A SIMPLE COCKSUCKING ASSHOLE! I TWIST MY WORDS TO MEAN WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT & I DON’T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK I’M TALKING ABOUT PUSSY GO TO HELL!!
shit! I knew this would happen when I stopped taking my meds!
This does not surprise me since I don’t seem to pay attention well anyway. If I “well knew it” as I put I would not have taken it that way. “obstreperous nuisance”? Look in the mirror, & Just learn to admit when you’re wrong.
huh? what am I talking about now? I, I……..
I thought the Talmud was written 5,000 years ago. Jesus having lived 2,000 years ago would make it tough to be mentioned in it, unless it’s a prediction of some kind, DON’T ME FUCKING LECTURE ME! I DON’T GIVE A FUCK WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN. Several of Me’s would do well to take a course in English literature besides grammar.
1 June, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Thank you for posting this article. I am indeed a White Christian, and I find it fascinating.
Here is a link to the introduction to the book:
http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i8383.html
Karaites were given equal status with Muslims in Imperial Russia, and the National Socialists did not kill them. Why? Karaites oppose Talmudism/Rabbinism, and simply accept the Old Testament but not the New Testament.
1 June, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Well, the fool is still ranting and working hard to distract us from the Talmud. He doesn’t give up, like a pesty fly that won’t leave the picnic table until it’s swatted. He presents a convincing argument for censorship.
And that brings up a worthwhile and timely topic, with a vivid example before us.
Ordinarily, I’m against all forms of censorship, such as the kind practiced at Amren — censorship that weeds out ideas. But still, where no ideas are involved, there are instances where some censorship could be justified.
It makes no sense where a babbling moron is given the same courtesy and weight as someone with something to say. Weed him out!
1 June, 2008 at 6:39 pm
Censorship pertains to acts of government, and only to acts of government.
1 June, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Thanks. You have an excellent point there. Private “censorship” is just being selective and exercising good judgement. It’s like deciding who’s allowed into your house — and who isn’t.
Let me say further, despite the inevitable ad hominems from an occasional foul-mouthed fool, mental midget, or teasing troll, that I agree completely with New America’s views about those “squirrel rifles”…. as well as Kevin Strom.
Yes, I remember that debate, as well as others, elsewhere. The passionate devotees so enamoured of those squirrel rifles are like cultists who go all crazy when you point out the holes in their fanasies. They just CAN’T STAND it! How DARE you tell them that two plus two don’t make ten!
1 June, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Shabbos, I am glad you pointed that out. So many folks just don’t get it. Best example: when parents don’t want their children having to read some filthy garbage as part of their “English Literature” requirement in school, and put pressure on the school board to choose some other book from the Dept of Education’s list instead, the liberals & media scream “Censorship” and “book banning”. Oh those nutty, fascist Christian parents!
Well, no, it ain’t. If the other parents want their kids to read some degenerate filth, all they have to do is direct them to a public library; or buy the book from a bookstore, or order it, or borrow it from someone. Easy as pie. Only the government can say that no one shall own or possess certain books.
1 June, 2008 at 10:28 pm
in response to ein:
you wrote:
in reply:
I have been putting a lot of thought into the structural reasons for the failure of “Movement Past,” and appreciate the support for the criticism of the “squirrel rifle” crowd.
Look at any meeting of “Movement Past,” and you will find precious few you would want to be in the same room with for more than a few minutes – and that ties into my analysis of the poignant commentary of Briseis on a VNN FTL Friday show.
And, it takes painfully gained experience to begin to grasp the situation of Kevin Alfred Strom.
The irony is, it is very easy for any of us to be in his situation, for any number of reasons…
I’ll tie that in with the second part of your comment.
you wrote:
in reply:
How on Earth can anyone seriously think about the use of the force of arms – squirrel rifles, at that! – to overthrow the most powerful government in the history of the world is simply beyond comprehension.
Even given that half of them are agent provocateurs, the other half are simply pathetic failures on a scale that calls forth feelings of sorrow, and pity.
The problem, at least in substantial part, is this:
They resemble barking dogs chasing after, not even a car, but the freight locomotive.
All they see are the wheels, and they hear the sounds of wheels and engines.
THAT is the barking dog’s entire understanding of the train, and that is the squirrel rifle crowd’s entire understanding of the Federal government.
The question I would ask of them is the question I would ask of the barking dog:
“If you caught it, what would you do with it?”
They don’t know, and they don’t care.
I suspect a strong component of “Movement Past” is what I would call “Movement Theater” – men who have failed at virtually everything in life, now put on the trappings of power and authority, act of their screams of victory, and go home to Budweiser and Barbeque, and live lives of quiet desperation.
Those of us who read Covington see an entirely new, mature, substantial analytical framework in his Northwest Republic series, particularly in “A Distant Thunder.”
And, if we don’t run from “Movement Past” as fast as we can, history will treat us the way the Talmud treats Jesus!
New America
An Idea Whose Time Is HERE
2 June, 2008 at 6:38 am
I’m a relative newcomer to these sites and don’t know/don’t care about past ‘movement’ individuals and their squabbles. All I can say is this, for what it’s worth.
The Bible gives us a gauge by which to judge individuals and groups in the pithy yet profound statement “By their fruits ye shall know them.”
Judging by what has been produced in the past decade or so, I really don’t see anything that comes close to Covington’s tetralogy of the Northwest Republic (The Hill Of The Ravens, Distant Thunder, A Might Fortress, The Brigade).
The real problem with white nationalism is that all of these sites keep telling us what we already know, or new ‘bad news’ about minority violence and ZOG encroachments. Anger is a useful emotion in certain given moments and key situations, but a constant diet of it just leads to despair, and like the character in American History X remarked, life’s too short to go around pissed off all the time.
I don’t know what the answer is, but I know it’s not constant anger… there’s got to be something that inspires people along the lines of how Christianity inspired the West, once upon a time. And let’s face it, simple pride in race isn’t going to cut it, because many people of our race are simply not worth dealing with or trustworthy, and a few notable handfuls of people from other races turn out to be good friends and allies indeed.
Any philosophy or program that says we should embrace or discard people merely because of their race isn’t going to work…. it means we should ‘love’ Michael Moore and ‘hate’ Bill Cosby… I don’t think so.
The Christians have it right when they say “Love They Neighbor” in the sense of how the Bible defines neighbor… not merely someone who lives close to you, rather, someone who is your brother or sister in the faith. Not casting your pearls before swine and giving away your resources to just anyone, rather, taking care of one’s own, and that “own” is defined by a fellow believer… someone who respects the same things you do and who acts the same way in the important matters of this world.
And as all right-thinking people know, that means looking beyond the skin, because members of your own household will prove to be your enemies… as we’re all too painfully learned.
Anyway, back to the point about ‘by their fruits’… the Northwest tetralogy still has the Achilles heel of being based solely on race… but at least it does offer hope and shows us things worth fighting for… and stays wisely neutral on the matter of religion, but pays respect, even to the point of our Christian heritage and making A Mighty Fortress the national anthem of the new republic.
So, this is just a long-winded way of saying that, whatever other sins he may have done, Covington’s novels put his efforts in a category far above most of the efforts of the past in the cause of finding something to inspire white folks.
2 June, 2008 at 7:00 am
Whoever thinks I had a melt down over this has truly reached into the depths of their own childish ways.
Now for the majority here go ahead back to reading Covington & considering voting for Obama & the like. It’s beyond comprehension how any of you can give someone like that such consideration. If any good ever comes of what’s left of the movement you’ll find yourselves having migrated to the wrong side. Because all your chattering is nothing more than blind foolery.
2 June, 2008 at 7:40 am
“Vaultner Says:
2 June, 2008 at 7:00 am
Whoever thinks I had a melt down over this has truly reached into the depths of their own childish ways.
Now for the majority here go ahead back to reading Covington & considering voting for Obama & the like. It’s beyond comprehension how any of you can give someone like that such consideration. If any good ever comes of what’s left of the movement you’ll find yourselves having migrated to the wrong side. Because all your chattering is nothing more than blind foo”
The subject is “Jesus and the Talmud” you ridiculous moron. I mean, I’m a ridiculous moron.
If I’d want to try & start at the beginning of the thread & ACTUALLY PAY ATTENTION maybe I’d realize as usual, I don’t have a clue.
My silly jibes at what I deem to be my character are just that. I don’t have voices in my head unlike me, you ridiculous moron. I mean, I’m a ridiculous moron who has voices in my head.
I will say I’m making progress I’ve managed to post four whole comments without calling someone a Jew. As far as my posts in “Kevin Alfred Strom Sentenced” they only serve to prove my point, I wonder if I’m not a pedophile cultist myself. Obama gives me a boner.
oh, I’ve gotten off topic…I’m getting confused again…..
getting off topic was never my intent or for humor. It was however an incredibly easy thing to happen. That such learned serious fellows as myself could be so easily distracted, is more like I’m a schoolboy being called to recess. Apparently I question my own sanity, or I wouldn’t be in such uproar over a jestful jibe.
oh…I’m using my own words to crucify myself…..
2 June, 2008 at 7:44 am
“melts down” why don’t you have the balls to post under your own heading? Or is it because you don’t have any to begin with?
2 June, 2008 at 7:50 am
Vaultner, nobody cares any longer what you have to say… by your fruits you have made yourself known here, and the result has been fruitless indeed. Now go get married and have three or more children… that’s about the best you can do for your folk at this point in time… forget about any ‘movement’… there is none… besides the inchoate stirrings of the Northwest initiative.
2 June, 2008 at 8:02 am
Whoever thinks I’m had a melt down over this has truly reached into the depths of my own childish ways. Now for the majority here I’ll go go ahead back to reading Butt Ranger Weekly & considering voting for Obama & the like, because Obama gives me a boner. It’s beyond comprehension how I can give someone like that such consideration since he made me go down into the basement with the spiders.
If any good ever comes of what’s left of the movement Ill find myself having migrated to the wrong side. Because all my chattering is nothing more than blind foo” I think I’m George Washington.
2 June, 2008 at 8:04 am
“Vaultner” why don’t you have the balls to post under your own heading? Or is it because you don’t have any to begin with?
2 June, 2008 at 10:57 am
There is a corollary to censorship, whereby government controls thought without obvious coercion. It is government financing of ideas- basically by dishing out grants.
B. (Burrhus) F. Skinner’s book BEYOND FREEDOM AND DIGNITY received a quarter million NIH (National Institute of Health) grant in 1969, nearly two million in today’s JRNs (jewish ripoff notes).
So ideas are censored by withholding money. As coercion is used to collect taxes, the term censorship remains apropos.
2 June, 2008 at 5:31 pm
in reply to Randolf Facto:
you wrote:
in reply:
This is the seminal point that “Movement Past” never will face – the hook-nosed demons known as Jews always had the plan of Israel to guide their RACIAL thinking, and all actions, no matter how small, are guided in one Law – “Is It Good For JEWS?”
“Movement Past,” and, for that matter, most White people, can’t agree on much of anything, even as they are facing racial genocide.
Fine.
If it comes down to Isaiah’s Remnant versus every one else, fine.
That process will weed out all but the best of us, and not a moment too soon.
you wrote:
in reply:
Excellent point!
Remember, the spiritual foundation of anger is helplessness, and, most times, that helplessness derives from a an error in defining the problem.
Thus, “Movement Past” always saw themselves as victims, and accordingly, never had any power.
This anger them manifests in alcoholism, and obesity…
you wrote:
in reply:
I’ve thought about this quite a bit, and I realized something:
On the Cross, Jeses referred to Mary as “Woman,” and told her and John, “Mother, behold your son. Son, behold your mother.”
Jews had their Race, and it was (with few exceptions) matrilineal, and materialistic – as is Jewish culture today, come to think of it.
Christ literally Created a new, vertical component to RACE; the heretofore mystical “vertical” component now had a name, and a way out of the trap of materialism that ensnared Israeli thinking, turning Judaism into the carrier of the Babylonian “religions.”
Thus, Christ worked in the family into which you were born – for reasons of spiritual development, and to face past karmic issues – and opened the path to a new, spiritual family – one in which the only criterion was acceptance of, and love of, Christ – above mother, father, sister, brother.
The Cross crystallized the Deed of Christ – the transformation of the greatest of Evil, the murder of their Messiah, into the greatest Good, the freeing of the Christ to work absent the limits of a human body, within the Earth, available to all men who so choose.
That is the Deed of Christ that we must look to as our model – how can we transform Evil into Good?
Well, first and foremost, Get The Lesson.
Evil operates as a Lesson in how the materialistic consciousness – Satan – works to destroy spiritual development, by ensnaring the Mind into materialistic identification, to the exclusion of spiritual awareness.
Thus, look at Eric Hoffer’s analysis of the Jew’s greatest tool, Wordism. See the national salvation dot net website for more of this.
you wrote:
in reply:
Think of the VERTICAL component of RACE, and think of the people who will begin to lay the foundation for Covington’s Northwest Republic, starting where they are.
The guys at Voice of Reason radio, for example, are doing an amazing job; sending them some money each and every month is an excellent idea. Hell, If you don’t have twenty, send a “thank-you” card, with a dollar or two. Getting something like that in the mail really perks up the spirits in the Long Battle before us.
And if, as the economy collapses, a bunch of our economic and political refugees are Led to a small church in the middle of Nowhere, Ecotopia (or even Kalispell, Montana), and recognize they are One in Spirit – ONE in Christ’s Purpose for them – then the rest of us can watch in gratitude, as they succeed, where we failed.
We can send our Children to join them, and build the Nation our Posterity deserves.
New America
An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!
2 June, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Randolf Facto,
You’re a buffoon who can’t pay attention to valid viewpoints or intelligent logic. Now go get yourself fixed because if there are any more out there like you we are doomed.
The Bible & Covington? HA!
2 June, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Randolf Facto,
I’m a buffoon who can’t pay attention to valid viewpoints or intelligent logic. Now I’ll go get myself fixed because if there are any more out there like me we are doomed. I think I haven’t outed myself as an anti-racist homosexual negro? HA!
3 June, 2008 at 2:10 am
A quick second thought to Randolf Facto:
you wrote:
in reply:
The exception sites – VNN Main Page/the blog, Covington, national salvation and bob whitaker’s blog – all look to the future by defining the White Nationalist paradigm in a more powerful, positive model for our future.
This about VNN Main Page/the blog, which makes it exceptional”
Yes, they talk about the demonic Jews, and their attack animals, the crackhead niggers, all to little avai, and this is to stronger purpose than nay might realize.
This is the Decoder Ring to understanding why this blog is so valuable:
Judaism is the EXACT Opposite of Christianity.
When people ask me to define why Christianity, which is the spiritual foundation of Western Civilization, is so important, I point to the behavior of the demonic Jews, and tell them:
You can SEE what the Jews are doing, which you could not see before.
Everything the Jews are doing is for the Jews, and against Christianity.
It’s that damn simple.
The demonic bastards do not attempt to stop any other “religion,” because no other religion sees them as they are.
This leads to the point everyone else misses:
The demons in human flesh known as Jews are here because of what WE, alone, the White RACE, can do.
WE can Create a better world, and make it happen.
These parasitic monsters have no more power than that which they have stolen from us, and we allowed them to take from us.
That’s why I tell one and all, a Positive Theory of RACE – which we used to have and have rejected – leads to Christianity, and the proof of the power of Christianity is this:
Look at who, and what, hates it…
And why.
This blog describes the workings of the demonic Jews better than any other website, and be looking for the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the demonic Jews are DOING, we are led to what we SHOULD be doing.
That’s what Covington has done; he gave us the picture on the front of the puzzle box, and it’s up to us to assemble the puzzle pieces the best we can, starting where we are.
New America
An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!
3 June, 2008 at 7:11 am
Melts Down,
Fuck off already.
3 June, 2008 at 7:32 am
New America, it’s a pleasure hearing from a person like you.
Vaultner, you’d be a disgrace to the Aborigine race. Henceforth you’re persona non grata as far as I’m concerned. If you truly want to save your race, you can take a giant step in that direction by saving your breath… or the cyber equivalent thereof.
3 June, 2008 at 8:21 am
Vaultner,
Fuck off already.
3 June, 2008 at 8:52 am
Vaultner/Me
I/Your a jewish, talmud reading, piss ant, jerk off, muddle the point, money wasting, fucking moronic, illiterate, no sense of humor, can’t admit hes wrong, fucking pussy, simple cocksucking asshole who has questionable genetics, has no analytical abilities of written words, can’t understand the english language, and ridiculous moronic pedophile cultist.
that’s what we said to real writers in only the first part of this topic, you sorry ass nigger spunk monkey. I mean, I’m a sorry ass nigger spunk monkey
“Now if you can’t stand for anyone else to have a valid view point with out acting like a childish fool I suggest you seek mental help.”
priceless that someone like you would say this. in the meantime, wherever thou goest, so goest eye.
3 June, 2008 at 9:10 am
Randolf Facto,
Yes the Bible & nifty little tales from “Northwest Republic” like “The Hill Of The Ravens, Distant Thunder, A Might Fortress, The Brigade” sounds like Dungeons & Dragons were they written by J.R.R Tolken too? Oh no Covington he explains it all. Yes Coooviingtooon! Shout it to the hills maybe some squirrels I didn’t get with my rifle will listen. Moron.
Christianity is not the opposite of Judaism. It’s an extension of it, a slaves religion to the parent cult.
That Talmud your studying & if you ever put it all together is their mantra they’re explanation & rant of why they couldn’t control all. Christianity is the worst trick the jews ever played on the world.
As the taxman cometh with gifts to take.
This used to be a site for intelligent discussion not a bunch of warped fantasy fanatics playing out different scenarios.
MY OWN IDEA whose a time is here.
3 June, 2008 at 9:21 am
Randolf Facto,
Yes the Bible & nifty little tales from “Northwest Republic” like “The Hill Of The Ravens, Distant Thunder, A Might Fortress, The Brigade” sounds like Dungeons & Dragons were they written by J.R.R Tolken too? I prefer Butt Ranger Weekly and posting on gay leather nazi message boards. did I tell you Obama gives me a boner?
Oh yes Covington he explains it all to me, why Obama made me go down into the dark basement with spiders. Yes Coooviingtooon! Shout it to the hills maybe some squirrels will toss my salad like the hornets nest does. my rifle won’t fit. I’m a Moron.
Christianity is not the opposite of Judaism. I was a slave to the Obama cult. That Talmud when I lied about and said your studying & if you ever put it all together is my mantra and explanation & rant of why I’m the emperor and couldn’t control it all. Christianity is the worst trick the jews ever played on my pee-pee.
As the taxman cometh with gifts to take.
This used to be a site for intelligent discussion till I came along. not a bunch of warped fantasy fanatics about gay leather nazis playing out my different scenarios.
MY OWN IDEA whose a time is here. I’m so fucked up I don’t even know what that means! I win! I win!
3 June, 2008 at 9:24 am
Randolf Facto,
You’re an imbecile.
3 June, 2008 at 9:28 am
Randolf Facto,
Yes the Bible & nifty little tales from “Northwest Republic” like “The Hill Of The Ravens, Distant Thunder, A Might Fortress, The Brigade” sounds like Dungeons & Dragons were they written by J.R.R Tolken too? Oh no Covington he explains it all. Yes Coooviingtooon! Shout it to the hills maybe some squirrels I didn’t get with my rifle will listen. Moron.
Christianity is not the opposite of Judaism. It’s an extension of it, a slaves religion to the parent cult.
That Talmud your studying & if you ever put it all together is their mantra they’re explanation & rant of why they couldn’t control all. Christianity is the worst trick the jews ever played on the world.
As the taxman cometh with gifts to take.
This used to be a site for intelligent discussion not a bunch of warped fantasy fanatics playing out different scenarios.
MY OWN IDEA whose a time is here.
3 June, 2008 at 9:30 am
Vaultner
Randolf Facto,
You’re an imbecile.
3 June, 2008 at 9:30 am
Randolf Facto,
Yes the Bible & nifty little tales from “Northwest Republic” like “The Hill Of The Ravens, Distant Thunder, A Might Fortress, The Brigade” sounds like Dungeons & Dragons were they written by J.R.R Tolken too? I prefer Butt Ranger Weekly and posting on gay leather nazi message boards. did I tell you Obama gives me a boner?
Oh yes Covington he explains it all to me, why Obama made me go down into the dark basement with spiders. Yes Coooviingtooon! Shout it to the hills maybe some squirrels will toss my salad like the hornets nest does. my rifle won’t fit. I’m a Moron.
Christianity is not the opposite of Judaism. I was a slave to the Obama cult. That Talmud when I lied about and said your studying & if you ever put it all together is my mantra and explanation & rant of why I’m the emperor and couldn’t control it all. Christianity is the worst trick the jews ever played on my pee-pee.
As the taxman cometh with gifts to take.
This used to be a site for intelligent discussion till I came along. not a bunch of warped fantasy fanatics about gay leather nazis playing out my different scenarios.
MY OWN IDEA whose a time is here. I’m so fucked up I don’t even know what that means! I win! I win!
Why do I keep repeating myself?
3 June, 2008 at 9:31 am
Vaultner,
You’re an imbecile.
3 June, 2008 at 9:32 am
Randolf Facto,
You’re an imbecile.
3 June, 2008 at 9:35 am
Vaultner/Me
I/Your a jewish, talmud reading, piss ant, jerk off, muddle the point, money wasting, fucking moronic, illiterate, no sense of humor, can’t admit hes wrong, fucking pussy, simple cocksucking asshole who has questionable genetics, has no analytical abilities of written words, can’t understand the english language, and ridiculous moronic pedophile cultist. that’s what we said to real writers in only the first part of this topic, you sorry ass nigger spunk monkey. I mean, I’m a sorry ass nigger spunk monkey. “Now if you can’t stand for anyone else to have a valid view point with out acting like a childish fool I suggest you seek mental help.” priceless that someone like you would say this. in the meantime, wherever thou goest, so goest eye.
3 June, 2008 at 9:35 am
Vaultner,
You’re an imbecile.
3 June, 2008 at 9:38 am
Randolf Facto,
You’re the fucking pedophile nigger monkey freak cultist.
Imbecile.
3 June, 2008 at 9:41 am
Vaultner,
You’re the fucking pedophile nigger monkey freak cultist.
Imbecile.
3 June, 2008 at 9:49 am
Fantasy Island, Look boss the raven the raven.
3 June, 2008 at 9:51 am
“# Vaultner Says:
3 June, 2008 at 9:49 am
Fantasy Island, Look boss the raven the raven.”
HA! This PROVES I’m not melting down! I win! I win!
3 June, 2008 at 9:52 am
We forgot to add:
MY OWN IDEA whose a time is here.
3 June, 2008 at 9:53 am
Oh & Coooviingtooon!
3 June, 2008 at 9:53 am
Imbecile
3 June, 2008 at 9:58 am
Imbecile
3 June, 2008 at 9:59 am
Vaultner Says: “We forgot to add: MY OWN IDEA whose a time is here.
Oh & Coooviingtooon!”
HA! This PROVES I’m not melting down! I win! I win!
3 June, 2008 at 10:01 am
Alas, Randolf Facto,
You’re a looser.
3 June, 2008 at 10:07 am
Alas, Vaultner,
You’re a “looser.”
ROFL
3 June, 2008 at 10:11 am
ROFL,
And that is? Randolf Facto,
Or Ravens Ouch there’s a FLy in my plane.
MY OWN IDEA whose a time is here.
3 June, 2008 at 10:11 am
I must go, my preeecious. But I may be back, in a minute, in an hour, in a day, but I’ll know you’ll be sitting here waiting for me. It’s what you do.
3 June, 2008 at 10:14 am
ROFL,
And that is? Vaultner,
Or Ravens ouch they hurt when they go in my butt. MY OWN IDEA whose a time is here, I’m so fucked up I don’t even know what that means! I win! I win!
Why do I keep repeating myself?
3 June, 2008 at 10:15 am
Oh but you’ll always be a pussy won’t you. At my beck & call negating reality for your own self indulgence.
3 June, 2008 at 10:17 am
Oh but you’ll always be a pussy won’t you. At my beck & call negating reality for your own self indulgence.
3 June, 2008 at 10:20 am
Imbecile.
3 June, 2008 at 10:24 am
Imbecile.
3 June, 2008 at 10:26 am
Just because I think ROFL means Randolf Facto doesn’t mean I’m having a meltdown. really.
3 June, 2008 at 10:27 am
Yes you’re paying attention now just keep saying that to yourself over & over Imbecile, Imbecile, Imbecile, Imbecile. You’ll get the truth eventually.
3 June, 2008 at 10:30 am
Vaultner,
Yes you’re paying attention now just keep saying that to yourself over & over Imbecile, Imbecile, Imbecile, Imbecile. You’ll get the truth eventually.
3 June, 2008 at 10:32 am
Over & over Fucto head, keep it up.
3 June, 2008 at 10:34 am
Over & over Spunk Monkey, keep it up.
3 June, 2008 at 10:34 am
I must go, my preeecious. But I may be back, in a minute, in an hour, in a day, but I’ll know you’ll be sitting here waiting for me. It’s what you do.
3 June, 2008 at 10:35 am
Spunk Monkey, is that what you’ve painted your copy of Covington with?
3 June, 2008 at 10:41 am
Vaultner, I don’t know who this other “melt down” guy is, so don’t go blaming his posts on me… although he does seem to be onto something in his satire of your posts, I fear he’s taken what started out as a good joke and turned it into a farce. Too much of a good thing, as it were.
3 June, 2008 at 10:48 am
Randolf Facto,
Well if it is truly not you than I would in that case apologize for the mistaken identity. But I’m in no mood for apologies. After all his posts & initials seem to run along with yours “ROFL” so I have to wonder at that.
3 June, 2008 at 11:04 am
I’m Spunk Monkey, that’s what I’ve painted my copy of Covington with.
I’m Vaultner, when I’m not George Washington. I’m in no mood for apologies. and if you say ROFL again, I’ll blame Randolf Facto.
3 June, 2008 at 11:15 am
ROFL is an internet/text-message acronym for “Roll On The Floor Laughing” and has nothing to do with my name.
3 June, 2008 at 11:17 am
I’m Lord Vaultner King of the Avatars, Lord of the High Realm. The Lord helps them that helps themselves, but I’m surrounded by buffoons. What a wasted trip.
How’s that for some fantastical nonsense with a hairline of truth to it you imbecile?
MY OWN IDEA whose a time is here.
Fucto head.
3 June, 2008 at 11:19 am
Vaultner
Listen up, Spunk Monkey. ROLF means “rolling on the floor laughing,” you ridiculous moron.
You actually said:
“Distracting the topic was never my intent or for humor. It was however an incredibly easy thing to happen. That such learned serious fellows could be so easily distracted, is more like schoolboys being called to recess. Apparently some here question their own genetics, or there wouldn’t be such uproar over a jestful jibe.”
I’m holding up a mirror so you can see yourself. Now look at you go on and on just cause someone pulls your chain. This is after you said to other people that they were jewish, talmud reading, piss ants, jerk offs, muddling the point, money wasting, fucking moronic, illiterate, had no sense of humor, can’t admit theyre wrong, fucking pussies, simple cocksucking assholes, who have questionable genetics, has no analytical abilities of written words, can’t understand the english language, and are ridiculous moronic pedophile cultists. Thats before I started making mincemeat of you.
Then you whine about no one considering “other viewpoints” while you act innocent and refuse to give others the same courtesy.
I’d ask you to think about it but I doubt if your capable of it. You’re ruined yourself in the eyes of others anyway. That will go right over your head “to.” I must go, my preeecious. But I may be back, in a minute, in an hour, in a day, but I’ll know you’ll be sitting here waiting for me. It’s what you do.
Now go fuck off and die. oh no, are you feeling threatened by that?
3 June, 2008 at 11:23 am
“Vaultner Says:
3 June, 2008 at 11:17 am
I’m Lord Vaultner King of the Avatars, Lord of the High Realm. The Lord helps them that helps themselves, but I’m surrounded by buffoons. What a wasted trip.
How’s that for some fantastical nonsense with a hairline of truth to it you imbecile?
MY OWN IDEA whose a time is here.
Fucto head. ”
HA! That PROVES I’m not having a meltdown. I win! I win!
3 June, 2008 at 3:43 pm
in reply to Randolf Facto, again:
“Movement Past” is a subject that I am using as a reference for what NOT to do.
Some people get it, and deserve a world of comment, and some constructive criticism, as, I suspect, a nation is making plans to come out of the rubble of what America will soon become.
http://www.wvwnews.net/ is the site of Frank Roman and John Young. They get it, and do commentaries that prove it.
In his latest, “Thank You, ‘Father’ Marx,” Roman discusses an idea broached here, and on bob whitaker’s blog, that Obama’s Presidency is just about the best thing that could happen to us, in so many ways.
They do their mp3′s at 64, when 24 is just fine for all of us, and a lot better for those of us with dial-up.
This is also true for the Voice of Reason crowd. God bless them for doing an amazing job under horrific circumstances.
Metzger wastes time with music that could be better spent with him hitting them with his little koans from “Might Is Right.” When you click on, and Terrible Tommy goes, “You have no rights. You only have privileges, and those to the extent you can defend them,” you really get a little zen shock treatment, which adds up over time.
As well, Metzger understands that we let this happen to us, and what is happening – the work of the parasites – is simply Nature taking its natural course.
I think this accounts for a lot of where “Movement Past” failed: they fell for the Words defined for them by their Racial Enemies, and did not move in the direction of Racial Positivitism in thought, words, and deed.
As I noted elsewhere, for all of those who mourn the Confederacy, let me assure you that, if Lee and Jackson returned, they would be wearing Hart, Schafner and Marx three-piece suits, and would do what Forrest wanted to do with the ending of Reconstruction – build a nation where a country once stood…
Starting where he was…
3 June, 2008 at 3:46 pm
continuing…
They both understood something we can not admit – Democracy Requires Discipline.
That’s why our Founding Fathers limited the franchise to property-owning White men.
THEY had no illusions about human nature, and yet, thanks to Wordism, we let those illusions run our lives, to the detriment of our Families, our Nation, and our RACE.
We shall have to pay a horrific price before this is all over…
New America
An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!
3 June, 2008 at 4:24 pm
“Thus, Christ worked in the family into which you were born – for reasons of spiritual development, and to face past karmic issues – and opened the path to a new, spiritual family – one in which the only criterion was acceptance of, and love of, Christ – above mother, father, sister, brother.”
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NA, the above is extracted from one of your posts. Is this just a description of the reason for the development of Christianity, or is this your opinion?
http://www.dlshq.org/religions/christconscious.htm
3 June, 2008 at 5:12 pm
in reply to Stronza:
This is my opinion, which describes a major reason for the development of Christianity.
That having been said, your source, while quite insightful in the Hindu tradition, misses what Christianity is – in effect, Swami Krishnananda is a speaker for Krishna Consciousness – which can be achieved by several means.
His focus is on the development of the Philosopher Mind – and Christianity goes a good deal beyond that.
Remember the Bhagavad Gita; Arjuna, having overcome fear, and doubt, became One with God IN PURPOSE. He thus, to his Mind, entered the field of combat on the Plains of Kurushetra, and fought – joyously – against his belo9ved blood relatives.
Everyone knows this.
What they are NOT taught is that his WILLFUL entry into the field of combat EXACTLY provided the amount of force needed to negate the Opposition Force, which ended in the total destruction of both sides, which ended the Age of the Warrior, and laid the perfect groundwork for the Age of the Philosopher.
The problem is, from our perspective, is that Hindu religious development STOPPED, and so, by and large, did Indian society. They looked at the Earth as a Realm to be incarnated in lightly, if at all.
The West has, as it unique religious challenge, to incarnate into the earth, incarnate DEEPLY into their Earth, and to ultimately TRANSFORM the Earth into what it COULD be, and, in doing so, transform themselves into what they SHOULD Become.
Thus, India, absent the West, would still look like it did in the 1400′s, stagnant, and mired in a past that had seen its day centuries ago.
Look at the West, for instance, and see, in Rome, the Idea – for the first time in the history of the world – of controlling things in this world from beyond the grave, with wills.
THAT is part of the outcome of choosing to incarnate deeply.
The foremost exponent of Hindu thought today is unquestionably the Avatar of the Yuga Age, Sathya Sai Baba. His people have a bookstore in Tustin, California, where his books, “Sathya Sai Speaks,” are avialable for a nominal price. His devotees describe “Sathya Sai Speaks” as the Vedas, rewritten, and suffused with prema.
I respect Sai Baba; as for discussing him, he said, “I have no need of an advocate. Those who wish to know me need only ask, and I will reply.”
The Duty of the West, spiritually, is seen in the Christian Model – not the misunderstood, and mistranslated, “Resist Not Evil,” which allows Evil to rule, but, instead, “Resent Not Evil.”
See it what what it is – a Learning Opportunity for you to see WHY it is Evil, and how your Life can be developed from learning about it, because, after all, it is an Aspect of your Consciousness that must be accepted, so it can then be transformed, and the demons of oppression can be transformed into angels of service.
That is where “Movement Past” failed.
They blamed the Jew, without looking at Judaism, and seeing Jews as the Racial Nodes through which the process of Judaism operates.
They then failed to ask, “What have they done, so that we may do better?” This, after all, is an Earth Consciousness RACE, and we must be IN the Earth, but not OF it, whereas they are IN the Earth, as well as being OF it.
They manipulated us, because we allowed it.
What we choose to DO about it, is up to us.
New America
An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!
3 June, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Thanks for replying. I don’t understand it all. But the name Sathya Sai Baba sure stuck out for me. Years ago, more than 25, I ran into a fellow with whom I got talking about these matters. He mentioned S.S.B. and said he had a reputation for sexual abuse of children, but did not go into detail. I looked on Google and there it is. I can’t say anything either way, but it brings up the question: can we have a real big brain and understand all this spiritual stuff, yet be unable to act according to ordinary standards of morality?
3 June, 2008 at 7:03 pm
in (thoughtful) reply to Stronza:
I heard the same rumors and stories about Sai Baba, and, as I was not there, simply look at the record of his deeds, his works and his words.
He said, “I need no advocate. If anyone has questions about me, have them ask me.”
I’ll take him at his word on that.
No one can remotely claim to “understand it all.”
We DO have the duty to try to understand what we can, and to do our best.
What I like about Christianity is this:
It offers an explanation for Evil.
It offers a way to Do Something about it.
It ties all of this in with the Story of Mankind writ large, and…
It explains the spiritual foundation of Western Civilization.
“Movement Past” blamed the Jews, and then did nothing about it, which is fine.
They also did nothing about themselves, which is unforgivable – from a RACIAL perspective.
I think that is why they are so horrified at the Idea that we might actually begin to make a little bit of headway here, with Covington’s Northwest Republic Analytical Model.
They are so horrified because they saw the obstacles, and we saw the opportunities concealed in the obstalces.
They saw the Matters of Form.
We see – and SEEK – the Matters of Substance.
And…
We SHALL Prevail.
New America
An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!
3 June, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Is there any proof that we shall prevail? I feel bad for sometimes having socalled negative thoughts, yet I also have an urge to tell somebody about them. I did once on the VNN forum and nobody said anything.
My opinion is that, being human, we don’t know what “God’s plan” for us is. (I’m not a godly sort, so it is embarrassing to have to use that expression, but you know what I mean.) It is not outside the realm of possibility that our Time is done; we have fulfilled our purpose here and have to go, as a people, into whatever place our group consciousness is ready for. No one has any choice in the matter, you know. It could be seen as arrogant when we are totally sure that we have some Great Purpose in the evolutionary scheme of things, a Purpose not given to any other race.
I mean, really! If anything, we are more ready than ratlike or parasitic groups for our group reward. Maybe we should thank these groups for helping to speed us on our way because I don’t know about you, but most of us aren’t having any real fun on this earth anymore.
I like your posts but except for mention of Northwest Republic it is heavy on theory, ideology, etc. Women are so constituted as to want to know in practical terms what we can look forward to – if not us as individuals, then at least our children.
3 June, 2008 at 8:46 pm
in thoughtful reply to Stronza:
you wrote:
in reply:
I have said in the past, and I say now, Linder should have shut down the Forums.
The only reason to catch them is to see what a precious few have to say, and they are all saying it elsewhere.
I had negative thoughts quite a bit for the future of our RACE, until my nephews, fresh out of high school back in the hills came to move in with me a few months back.
I’ve described my issues with them in bits and pieces, but they are with me – the family Nazi, who has been disinvited from family reunions for more than a decade – because there is no “Home” for them to go back to. The last employer is gone, and it is a microcosm of an America I will talk about more at length.
Let me sum up my philosophy in a short paragraph:
The heritage of greatness that is the past, present, and future of our RACE, has been stolen from us – and we allowed it to happen.
By rights, we should have had men on Mars fifty years ago, and we should have had a virtually nonpolluting source of power for our cars, and the mass transportation system the world would envy.
Somehow, a circuit breaker was placed on the Mind of our RACE, and we crawl where we should walk, and walk where we should run.
The present social order is not remotely sustainable, and its Collapse will require its replacement by something better – much better.
My nephews are relearning everything they were supposed to have been taught in the public indoctrination system, and my hope for them allows me to look at the Future with Goddamn confidence.
If you read any good history of the First Great Depression, and any good economic analysis of the First Great Depression, like Martin Anderson’s, you will see an America that accepted lies, paid a horrific price, transformed itself, and prevailed, IN A DIFFERENT FORM THAN BEFORE.
My nephews are being groomed 24/7 to be an integral part of that New America, even if it starts in a small church outside Kalispell, Montana, or Nowhere, Ecotopia.
People on VNN Forum, for the most part, are trapped where they are, and can not face the dramatic need for personal change to deal with the new situations that are developing before them.
My own thinking on this started when I started an alternative biography of Dr. Sam Francis, and Bob Whitaker helped me to truly accept that the mistakes of the past do not bind us to the future; we, as the Creative RACE, Create a Present that every other country on Earth sends its people to, and whose people want to stay here.
THAT is the power of Wordism, and THAT is the power we have allowed the Goddamned JEWS to have over us.
All of this power others have over us is power we gave to them, and we can shift that power back, a day at a time, and a dollar at a time.
If you DON’T have “negative thoughts,” you are not Awake.
What matters is what we CHOOSE TO DO ABOUT THEM.
you wrote:
in reply:
What our opponents call “arrogance” is simply the price that MUST be paid for survival, and growth.
I favor my nephews over all other White people, and I favor most other White people over most everyone else on the planet.
The foundation of RACE is Family, and the Bible is quite explicit about your duties to your Family, and your Nation – your RACE.
I do what I can, and I let God handle the details.
And, as a a purpose not given to any other RACE, well, that’s because the historical record is clear – the Other RACES are the LESSER RACES.
Who must do the difficult things?
They who can.
And we can.
Remember, we are the only RACE that thought about Man walking on the surface of the Moon, and made that happen, and brought them BACK!
And THAT was with 1960′s technology!
The LEAST of my concerns is Other RACES, save as they pose threats to my RACE, or even my nephews.
What some would call “arrogant,” I would call “a reflection of their envy that they can not do, what we CAN do.”
you wrote:
in reply:
We aren’t having any “fun” because we have accepted the Terms and Definitions of our RACIAL Enemies, to the exclusion of simple faith that Our Children are better than the Children of anyone else on Earth.
We have surrendered, and the parasites, as Metzger so brilliantly described it, are just doing what parasites do – they are cleaning the carcass of the dead.
When we left, the life left with us.
It was ever so, and it will always BE so.
And, thoughts of depression are simply feelings of anger turned inward; in turn, these feelings of anger come from a (learned) sense of helplessness.
I have unLearned that sense of helplessness, and I started it when one of my nephews, a high school graduate from a “good school,” read with his lips moving trying to form the words in the book I gave him to read. (The books was Covington’s “A Distant Thunder.”)
I felt such a sense of anger, of pure rage, at the betrayal they had faced at the hands of The System, that I resolved that all of my remaining days shall be spent seeing that they succeed in the America that will arise like a Phoenix from the ashes, even as THEIR relatives are trapped in the ashes.
you wrote:
I like your posts but except for mention of Northwest Republic it is heavy on theory, ideology, etc. Women are so constituted as to want to know in practical terms what we can look forward to – if not us as individuals, then at least our children.
in reply:
We all want to know what we can look forward to, and we all have to do what we can, starting where we are, to make a safe place for our children, knowing that, in time, they shall live in a much harsher world than they do now.
In my piece on the alternative autobiography of Dr. Sam Francis, I have families moving back together under the same roof for a generation, working together – and I mean WORKING – and supporting one another, and especially the children.
Might I make a suggestion?
My nephews have moved in with me – forever, so far as I can tell – because there is no “THERE” for them to go back to, and I gladly accept this opportunity.
You MIGHT want to start polling your grandparents – those with paid off houses, in fairly remote (safe, White) places, and see if you could move back with them for the sake of their grandchildren, their Posterity.
It was a stunning blow to the pride of the parents of my nephews – particularly their mother – that moving in with me was their best choice.
Pride is a luxury they can not longer afford, save the pride at seeing their children succeed where they couldn’t.
That’s good for them, good for the Family, and good for the RACE.
All, starting where they are.
This is an excellent point you have raised, and is worthy of more discussion.
Thank you!
New America
An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!
3 June, 2008 at 10:05 pm
“That Bible Believers article was just a silly exercise in verbal sleight of hand.”
Ah, you must need to have this canard for your feeble little mind, or to self-justify your own racial counterfeitedness….
“The guy who wrote it must be ignorant about Jesus’s mom Miriam, because he never mentioned her once.”
Hardly. Biblical, Hebraic thought finds the lineage from the FATHER.
Talmudic, demonic Babylonian, counterfeit apostate ‘Jew-daism’ is the one that considers the matrilineal line. IF you were a Christian, instead of a Jew worshiper, you’d know that, and would not have shown your stupidity.
“And speaking of his mom, why did she have her son ritually circumcised if she wasn’t a jew herself, hmmm?”
Sigh. NONE OF THAT PROVES THAT JESUS CHRIST WAS JEWISH… AS THEY DEFINE IT TODAY.
Jesus was a Hebrew. But modern ‘Jews’ are not. Jesus was a Biblical Israelite, but modern ‘jews’ are not. Jesus was born of a virgin, sent from God, to save “His people from their sins.’ [Matt. 1:21] Modern ‘Jews’ are a false tribe, who never- at any time in the first 500 years of the Common Era (i.e., Anno Domini) were ‘Jewish’ OR “Talmudic’.
They only ‘converted en masse’ as Khazaria in the 8th Century!! They are imposters, blood deniers, racial charlatans, inshort, NOT ONE PROMISE IN THE BIBLE REFERS TO THEM AS A RACE
4 June, 2008 at 1:04 am
Khazar khazar khazar, blah blah blah, blah blah blah.
FYI, a large percentage of today’s jews are sephardic.
Sephardic jews didn’t come from khazaria and they’re not converts to the hebrew religion.
Not that it matters, because a jew is a jew.
4 June, 2008 at 7:28 am
New America, you’re a remarkable individual. I salute you.
4 June, 2008 at 11:06 am
Randolf Facto Says:
4 June, 2008 at 7:28 am
New America, you’re a remarkable individual. I salute you.
I get it Fucto heads in love with Fuck head.
Now you can get married & start your own Kabal.
4 June, 2008 at 12:35 pm
# Killer Bee Says:
4 June, 2008 at 11:06 am
Randolf Facto Says:
4 June, 2008 at 7:28 am
New America, you’re a remarkable individual. I salute you.
I get it Spunk Monkeys in love with Vaultner. But Spunk Monkey is Vaultner. I’m getting confused again, i, i, need, my, meds.
Now you can get married & start your own Kabal, then the hornets can keep tossing my salad. I’m Vaultner, when I’m not George Washington. did I mention that Obama gives me a boner?
4 June, 2008 at 1:12 pm
No, Killer Bee… you most certainly don’t “get it”.
Ordinarily I’d recommend therapy for some of you non compos mentis types that seem to enjoy posting your vulgarities here, but one needs to have a head first in order to have it examined.
4 June, 2008 at 2:03 pm
in reply to Randolf Facto, AND further reply to Stronza:
Mr. Facto – thanks for the kind words.
The only thing that is “remarkable” is the willingness to accept that yesterday IS GONE – forever – and a cold, ruthless eye is needed to see what stands before us without fear, and then seeing the opportunities in what we choose – CHOOSE – to Do about it.
Stronza:
Believe me when I tell you from the bottom of my heart, I have seen what happens to men when their jobs – their careers – just disappear, AND their promised pensions are virtually wiped out in bankruptcy court.
I am speaking from VERY personal experience.
They ALL hit the functional equivalent of rock bottom – and some of them just keep going.
Some decide that so much of their personal identity was essentially derivative, and the foundation of that dereivation is GONE.
They then – and God, but this is painful, because it involves the shedding of illusions they adopted without thinking – start from Ground Zero, and literally rebuild themselves.
In the case of my nephews, they have nothing – and nothing to lose.
So, I have them taking a wall of career assessment and personality assessment tests, not so much to tell them what to do, but to rule out the false paths their guidance counselor pointed them to in high school.
I will do whatever it takes for them to be able to build the bridge between where they are, and where they should be.
I am also a singularly determined, singularly ruthless, taskmaster.
However, given they now have Goals, and a Purpose, they take to it like cats to cream!
The last time they went Home, it was a painful reminder to them that the world of their Childhood was gone; the last employer was shutting down, and there was NO economic future available. The busiest stores were the ABC Store (liquor), the welfare/unemployment office, and the drug store (tranquilizers, and a very busy lottery terminal).
I won’t go into much detail about them; I am very protective.
I will say this:
The Family Reunion will take place this Christmas, and I WILL be invited.
I will not be invited back ever again, because I will tell one and all this:
It’s ALL about their Children, and their Grandchildren.
If what we are doing doesn’t build a better world for them, than we should just hang our heads in shame.
If I still have anyone’s attention, I will tell the alcoholics that they can like in the back room and get drunk all damn day, and all damn night.
They simply will not be allowed to interfere with the Future.
I am sacrificing the rest of my life to see my Nephews walk into the world as Conquerors.
I will not tolerate interference.
Incidentally, Stronza, note this:
Other members of the Family have asked me if I could “make a little room” for THEIR Children, both over the summer, and, in at least two more case, perhaps well beyond the summer.
I have Three Rules, before I say “Yes”:
One, My Word Is Law.
I am very lenient, and only give orders when things are going off the tracks, This is followed by a discussion, to see that they learned from what I saw, that they either missed, or ignored.
Two, No Visitors.
This includes ALL of their relatives. All they do is drag them down, and try to divert their efforts from moving forward.
Three, Intolerance Is Back In Fashion.
I’ll discuss this in time!
New America
An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!
4 June, 2008 at 2:15 pm
First you say you are a “singularly ruthless taskmaster”.
Then you say that you are “very lenient” with the boys you are trying to be a father to.
OK – which is it?
Nice to be able to take somebody else’s supposedly f*****d-up kids and perfect them, I guess. I’ve got news: this society judges us by the children we produce, and I don’t agree with that at all, but that’s the way it is.
Parents give themselves way too much credit for their children’s good qualities, and none of the blame for their bad ones. But it’s almost all in the genes. Otherwise, you could take some black boys from the ghetto and transform them, too.
4 June, 2008 at 2:56 pm
“But it’s almost all in the genes.”
As a parent of three myself, I can’t really gainsay that statement… although at a conscious level it goes against everything we’d like to believe.
That’s the most humbling thing about parenthood… it shows you firsthand how much control you DON’T have over things.
My personal experience leans towards 80%/20% on the nature/nurture side of things. I could even see if someone wanted to argue 90% genes/10% environment.
4 June, 2008 at 3:04 pm
in reply to Stronza:
Good points!
Discussing them in turn:
you wrote:
in reply:
Singularly ruthless in the insurance that any of their “failures” can not be blamed on me, and “very lenient” in terms of taking all of the time needed, while sparing no reasonable expense, to help them make something of themselves.
Singularly ruthless in insuring their relatives do not get the opportunity to drag them back to what will soon be a second world country in all but name.
you wrote:
in reply:
They have relatives who literally personify White Trash.
Genetics provides a starting point, and culture is needed to insure the vertical component of RACE is given a chance to manifest.
I am not “perfecting them.”
I am removing the obstacles to their making of their lives what they choose, and am always reminding them that RACE is a far more important consideration than they were told.
And, in light of the realization among many Family members – particularly back in the hills – that Yesterday Is GONE, I, the Family Nazi, who has been uninvited from Family reunions for more than a decade, am asked to consider providing a place of Refuge for SOME of my Nephew’s peer group.
It is a place of Refuge, in the fulfillment of Transformation.
“Refuge,” in the pursuit of the illusions of pleasure?
The ABC Store offers that.
I am offering a Path of Achievement.
The Worthwhile Ones will see the opportunity for what it is, and take it.
The Doomed are Damned, and can stay back there, for all I care.
New America
An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!
4 June, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Stronza, there is one point I didn’t make that I should have.
That is this:
I am more ruthless on dealing with myself than I ever am with them.
I have SEEN how quickly lives are destroyed when Work Goes Away.
I trusted in the competence – and kindness – of strangers.
I pulled through, but many of the people I worked with didn’t.
My Nephews shall not join them.
New America
An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!
4 June, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Thanks for input, Randolf Facto. Seems to me it is the way Nature & Nurture intertwine. I’d be happy to go along with the 90/10 argument.
Why, some physicists say, and some spiritual masters also, that all events have already occurred, and we are merely walking through it all. I am coming to support this viewpoint. We like to believe in free will but, boy, the older you get the more you can see what a crock that is! We take certain action believing that it is in response to something else – but only because we can’t bear the thought of being locked into this rather awful world.
That we are “given” certain kinds of children in order that WE may develop along a certain path is also another way of looking at the matter of reproduction. Jung (I think) suggested that children bring out your hidden or shadow side because it is not good for this to be kept in the dark forever.
4 June, 2008 at 3:52 pm
“Why, some physicists say, and some spiritual masters also, that all events have already occurred, and we are merely walking through it all. I am coming to support this viewpoint.”
I used to be a firm believer in predestination and how, if there was an all-knowing God, then everything has already happened on some plane of existence and/or time… hence, that’s why He could “know everything and see everything”.
But as I grew older, it dawned on me that, if there is a God, there has to be free will, and our conventional wisdom about what all-knowing and ‘perfect’ mean, when it applies to God, are not the cut-and-dried view of His so-called omnipotence.
First of all, automatons wouldn’t interest a true God, and without free will, that is, if everything has already been scripted for us, and we’re merely walking through the play that’s been written, then we would in truth be merely robots.
Then, in reading more about God in the Bible, I came to realize that He isn’t truly absolutely sure how everything will turn out in a given situation, and does indeed change His mind about things (like destroying cities or withdrawing His protection from peoples) based upon circumstances determined by how Man decides to behave.
We are made in His image, and like us, He can be surprised, angry, sad, overjoyed, etc.
And then it all made sense on various issues, like why does a ‘perfect’ God (who supposedly loves us) allow pain and suffering, and such things that plague the mind of every thinking person.
God is indeed omnipotent and can create or destroy at His will… but as far as “seeing everything that will happen”, even He does not have that alleged ‘power’ that many deem necessary for what we men declare as a requisite for a god to be God.
But that’s a flaw in our definitions and perspective of what God is, not a flaw in God Himself.
And thus, free will explains what keeps Him interested in the outcome of the great question of the ages, the battle for the earth and Mankind between Him and Satan.
A God so awesome as to create creatures with free will so that even He can’t know for certain how events will turn out is a God indeed.
A loving God creates angels and men as His sons, but doesn’t purposely create a rebellious Satan or evil men… He knows that, due to free will, there is a chance that some of his sons will rebel, but He doesn’t intent that to happen… but if free will is a reality, the chance has to be taken… and some things can and will go wrong, especially when the Creator’s creations challenge Him and state that they can live without His influence and guidance… that they are smart enough to do it on their own… that indeed, they are like God.
So, at that point He can just destroy the whole thing and start over, or… as a true God of love, let the events play out until that time when no man and no angel can ever dispute again that they need God and a relationship with Him.
Yes, it’s painful to Him that suffering occurs, just like it’s painful to a parent when his child insists upon doing something dumb and has to learn the hard way about the right and wrong ways of the world.
But in the end, His plan for atonement and reconciliation between God and Man will not be denied, and much of our travail in the current system of things will become a distant memory of a childhood disease… painful and all-too-real at the time, but once past, all but forgotten by the adult…. who is now all-the-stronger for having survived.
4 June, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Nicely expressed views. I don’t know what is the truth of the matter. However, I do know that we are talking about The CreatorDesigner of the Universe here – so what could you or I possibly do that would make him indebted to us? And only if you support the idea of free will could his indebtedness be an issue! You know, little ol’ me does something “pleasing to God” so God throws me a bone.
Your phrase “system of things” is from the Jehovah’s Witness Bible, I kid you not. I do not think that other translations use that phrase. But maybe I dis-remember. Sorry in advance, in that case!
Oh yah, it looks like you think that Earth is the whole picture. We are a speck.
4 June, 2008 at 5:10 pm
“You know, little ol’ me does something “pleasing to God” so God throws me a bone.”
It’s quite simple, actually, and very just. Obey His commands and have faith in His Plan which entails our salvation through Jesus Christ, His son, and the reward is everlasting life… on a new earth.
“Your phrase “system of things” is from the Jehovah’s Witness…”
It is indeed an expression from their literature, which I find apt and don’t mind repeating.
“Oh yah, it looks like you think that Earth is the whole picture. We are a speck.”
As part of the universe, true enough, the planet is a speck. But God’s interest in it and us (as well as Satan’s) is very momentous indeed. Life of this planet is all I know, at the present time, so that’s all I can address. It could very well be that other dramas are playing out with other Christs and other Satans on other worlds.
4 June, 2008 at 5:41 pm
“Obey his commands”? Including the commandment to love my enemies and do good to them that hurt me? And if someone whacks me on one side of my face, let him do the same on the other side, too? I think this set of commands may work in a uniform, monoracial, monocultural society, where we understand each other deeply and are all going in the same direction, so it’d be good business to be understanding.
Everlasting life on a new earth? That’s tougher. What becomes of our kin who have passed on, then?
4 June, 2008 at 6:02 pm
in reply to Stronza:
you wrote:
in reply:
My interpretation is that your enemies are your Shadow manifesting before you, and you deal with them accordingly.
Above all, YOU GET THE LESSON that they are demonstrating to you.
Thus, classic White Nationalists have been angry at the demonic Jews, without Getting The Lesson – LEARN from them, do what works, and do not be a victim – Be BETTER! – and organize along Racial lines, in a proper manner.
AS for turning the cheek, that has commonly been misunderstood.
You see, under Roman law, a Master could strike the RIGHT cheek of his servant/slave, as this was done with the left hand – the softer of the two hands.
So, you turn that cheek, and they, TRAPPED IN THEIR ANGER, overreach, and strike the LEFT cheek, which is done with the RIGHT hand.
Now, under Roman law, the slave can respond as a equal…
Heh heh heh…
you wrote:
in reply:
They go to whatever sphere they need to for their learning.
Swedenborg dealt with this, up to a point.
His ideas were adopted and adapted by Joseph Smith to the Mormon Church.
And, if our spiritual learning with our kin has been completed, then we see them only if we or they need to – a positive, Christian focus, instead of the negative, materialistic version of karma – the spiritual law of cause and effect.
The Mormon Church used to run the advertisements, “Families ARE Forever.”
Suppose, say, Charles Manson is your cousin?
The Mormon Church modified the advertisement to “Families CAN BE Forever.”
However, the Rule is they are together to meet for spiritual learning, having a common series of lessons to learn together.
The issue is reincarnation; while it is in the New Testament, it was not to be considered common knowledge, as – and this is my guess – everyone would put off to the “next lifetime” what could, and should, be done in this lifetime.
New America
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5 June, 2008 at 8:12 am
“Including the commandment to love my enemies and do good to them that hurt me?”
That was not one of the ten commandments. And as New America already covered, that particular advice from Jesus was in relation to petty insults and minor squabbles that are not life-threatening. The Bible allows in many instances for self-defense when true matters of survival are at hand. The rules Jesus laid down for Himself and his Elect are of a more spiritual “not of this world” variety. Yet even Jesus did not forbid his disciples from carrying swords… merely from using them against the authorities that came to arrest Him, because His death was a necessary part of God’s plan for Jesus’ ultimate glorification as the true obedient one of God and therefore worthy of all the authority of God in showing the Devil and his followers that it was possible, even as a man, to be obedient even unto death, and to live among God and his kingdom without attempting to usurp His authority.
“Everlasting life on a new earth? That’s tougher. What becomes of our kin who have passed on, then?”
Refer to numerous passages concerning resurrection, as demonstrated by Christ Himself with Lazarus, as a foreshadowing. Not forgetting that there are hierarchies in God’s organization, and the Elect that rule with Jesus have a different kind of resurrections than the great multitude that will live on the new earth.
5 June, 2008 at 9:50 am
“Not that it matters, because a jew is a jew.”
Hardly. And here your BS hits the fan, you accursed son of Satan. [John 8:44]
“He is NOT a Jew who is one outwardly , niether is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh; But he is a “Jew”…
(actually, the Greek word here in both instances is ‘Judean;’ which shows that religion, race, and geography are tied in the Biblical writer’s minds- AND that the imposter Edomites who ruled Israel at the time of Christ- and from whom ALL rabbinism trace their perverted mulatto DNA heritage!- (cf. Josephus) were NOT tied to the land, and were not- even back then- ‘real’ Jews!!!)
‘…which is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, and not in the lettere, whose praise os not of men, but of God.” Romans 2:22 – St. Paul, rabbi of Tarsus.
“…And I know the BLASPHEMY of them which say they are Jews, and ARE NOTof SATAN. St. John [Revelation 2:8,9]
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=207
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=202
“Not as though the Word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are [spuriously] of Israel.”-Saint Paul Letter to the Romans 9:6
“But if the Jews were to say, that the word, “In Isaac shall thy seed be called,” means this, that those born of Isaac should be reckoned to him for a seed,
then the Edomites, too, and all those people, ought to be denominated his sons, since their forefather Esau was a son of his. But now so far are they from being called sons, that THEY ARE THE GREATEST POSSIBLE ALIENS…” – St. John Chrysostom, Commentary on Romans, Homily XVI
I DENY ANY CLAIM of Jews to BE JEWS.
I DENY THEM A PATRIMONY, a RACIAL EXISTENCE, in short, a NAME.
I DENY ANY CLAIM of ISRAEL, therefore, as a modern ‘state’,
to have ANY right to Exist.
I DENY ANY CLAIM of Jews, therefore, to be guiltless of the Crucifixion of Christ, as their racial imposters, the Edomite/Amalekite overlords turned the nation of Israel to the pagan Romans, and were in the forefront of the Jerusalem massacre in AD 70, and have been in the forefront of the massacre of other nations where they have usurped rule since then!
I DENY ANY CLAIM of Jews, therefore, to ANY SHRED OF innocence, for the billions they have killed, since 1848, and especially since 1917.
I proclaim the Church is Israel Now.
I proclaim the Caucasoid Nations of Magna Europa to be the ONLY “Chosen People’ of YHWH God, as they were the only members of the Church Catholic in her first millennium of existence.
I proclaim the right of Christians, at any time, to wage a just war on the Deicides, and any other enemy of God- as they are no more than the tools of Satan; (which nations, who have done so in the past, and may do so in the future, did so, within the permissive will of YHWH GOD)
…and their continual expulsion throughout history, from any (and all) Chrisitan land(s) is/are a RIGHTEOUS ACT OF ‘WHOLE BURNT OFFERING,’ FOR THE REDEMPTION OF NATIONS, PEOPLES, and STATES, pleasing to God, and commanded of His ONLY People, the CHURCH.
A curse on the Jews. May their name perish from off the face of the Earth.
Anathema sit.
5 June, 2008 at 5:57 pm
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/christ/physical_appearance.htm
7 June, 2008 at 10:34 pm
in reply to Fr. John:
Thank you for clearly stating the MODERATE position.
;)
New America
An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!
12 June, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Jesus is the jewish messiah.
14 February, 2009 at 8:04 pm
“FYI, a large percentage of today’s jews are sephardic.”
Yes a whole whopping 5-10% of jews! Moreover Sephardic Jews are at the bottom of the caste system of Israel. (Read “Life of an American Jew is Racist Marxist Israel.”) All of the Judeo Fascist war criminal leaders of Israel have been of the Khazar troll race.
However, Israelite, Judahite, Edumite, Khazar, honestly what differet does it make? They are all equally parasitic. Parasites by any other name, if you will. Parasites of many names, like the devil, that non Jews can never, ever, afford to trust. Parasites that will always put the rest of humanity and civilization as we know it in peril.
And while Christianity so destroyed European culture and robbed it of its heritage, it is, yes, diffictult to admit, but Christianity is a Jewish trojan horse. Hell, its suicidal, Sermon on the Mount teachings brought down the Roman Empire and plunged Europe into the dark ages. Some of the maddeningly passive sound and fury signifying nothing teachings of Jesus remind me of the lobotomizing nonsense of today’s new age movement, which I surmise most likely must have a Jewish hand.
So weird, so strange, otherwise reasonable smart people here that are fed up with Jewish manipulation, yet follow this Jewish Trojan Horse.