12 August, 2009

Signs of the Times, Part I: Postmodern Moral Panics and the Manufacture of Virtue

Posted by Socrates in media, media cases, media criticism, pop culture, postmodern baloney, Socrates at 12:06 pm | Permanent Link

Our culture is guided by endless media campaigns that are designed to “teach” us “morality,” especially regarding race, e.g., the 1991 Rodney King beating in Los Angeles:

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    6. 85 Responses to “Signs of the Times, Part I: Postmodern Moral Panics and the Manufacture of Virtue”

      1. old dutch Says:

        How many of you heard Roman Catholic Chris Matthews curse an opponent of gun control & O’BamaCare on MSNBC. That’s the first time I’ve ever heard a TV announcer use the word “Goddamn” to curse a political opponent on national TV.

        Matthews is your typical member of the Roman Catholic/Jew political alliance. Although, I’m sure roman Catholic Matthews doesn’t say anything without clearing it with the Jews who run MSNBC-CNBC.

        It’s a new low for the talmudavision, and the Roman Catholic-Jew political alliance.

      2. Parsifal Says:

        OD, you’re all upset over Chris Matthews using the word “Goddamn”? LOL. What about black snappers? And the black popes? LOL. LOL.

        LOL.

        But seriously, who are these articles intended for? I guess a scholarly type like Adam would enjoy reading about “postmodern moral politics” and “puritan moral intensity”; No doubt he will expound on those subjects at great length in the near future. But such recondite scholarship as that shown in this article/dissertation will not win over a single fence-sitter, I guarantee you that.

        However, Socrates’ abstract gave me the gist of what the article was supposed to be about.

      3. old dutch Says:

        I can’t believe that GE-MSNBC is letting Chris Matthews curse a political opponent on national TV using God’s name!

        Matthews needs punched in his blasphemous Roman Catholic mouth , and then kicked for falling. LOL.

        https://www.ge.com/contact/contact_form.html

      4. Mega Therion Says:

        LOL.

        WHAT JEW SHOULD REPLACE HIM DUTCH???

        LOL

      5. Mega Therion Says:

        “god”

        LOL!

      6. Justin Huber Says:

        Thank God for Socrates’ synopsis. These articles are sometimes a bit much to wade through. Too intellectual in my opinion.

      7. old dutch Says:

        Itz interesting that Roman Catholic Chris Matthews uses Mark Potok of the SPLC to back up & rationalize his cursing of opponents of gun control & O’BamaCare. Matthews is also using some other more obscure Jews to support his use of cursing political opponents on national TV.

      8. Mega Therion Says:

        Old Dutch criticizing a FELLOW JEW like Potok…LOL!

        Here’s the question.
        Is Old Dutch a Jew Fag? or a Fag Jew?

        LOL!!!!

      9. old dutch Says:

        You are violating Linder’s rules again Mega Tard. I’m not going to get into a pissing contest with you, or any other Irish Roman Catholics who comment here on VNN. Just note that you have exposed yourselves for what you are…it should be evident by now to all of the non-Catholics who comment here.

      10. Adam Says:

        Parsifal Says:

        But seriously, who are these articles intended for?

        For anyone who would like to understand how the white race came to be as it is, presumably.

        But such recondite scholarship as that shown in this article/dissertation will not win over a single fence-sitter, I guarantee you that.

        Not all discourse is designed to persuade, nor need it be. Some analysis merely intends to illuminate. Propaganda is important, but propaganda without understanding the realities of the white mind and how it has been deformed in its encounter with the technological system will be bad propaganda and will fail. You don’t want our propaganda to fail, do you?

        Were he to have read it, I’m sure Herr Doktor Goebbels would have enjoyed that article as much as I did.

      11. Mega Therion Says:

        OLD DUTCH IS A JEW FAG…LOL!

        Every post of yours offends the sensibilities of any TRUE WN.

        You fuckin Jew….

      12. old dutch Says:

        Here is soft, fat, blonde, & foul mouthed Irish Roman Catholic Chris Matthews cursing a political opponent of gun control & O’BamaCare on national TV (MSNBC/GE):
        http://chrisgun.ytmnd.com/

      13. Parsifal Says:

        That comical clonking sound you hear is me knocking Old Dutch and Tom McReen’s heads together. Now I’m gouging their eyes out with two fingers, which makes a sound like a violin string being plucked. Now I’m running a saw across Tom’s head and noticing the teeth on the saw are all bent up, because Tom’s head is made out of solid bone. And now I’m whacking Old Dutch’s big red nose, which sounds like an old-time car horn being beeped.

        Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.

      14. Paul Says:

        Our culture might be degraded, but at least we are still white.

        http://www.sbpdl.com

        http://www.stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com

      15. old dutch Says:

        Here’s Irish Roman Catholic TV announcer Matthew’s trying to badger an opponent of gun control, and O’BamaCare on MSNBC/GE:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YenmmIDmRo0

      16. Parsifal Says:

        Old Douche, if Mega T ever finds you, HE WILL BEAT YOUR ASS.

      17. Parsifal Says:

        LOL.

      18. old dutch Says:

        Here’s foul mouthed Irish Roman Catholic mickey Mathews cursing an opponent of gun control & O’BamaCare. The gentleman who Matthew’s cursed was carrying a sign quoting Thomas Jefferson: http://chrisgun.ytmnd.com/

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YenmmIDmRo0

      19. 2050 Says:

        why don’t you guys save this stuff for the forums.
        Or do this by PM
        You know, total newbs and people who are trying to find out if this White Nationalism is what they are looking for to learn about the problem we face and what to do about it maybe.
        Reading name calling among regular posters here no doubt makes many turn away, maybe for good.
        We know Old Dutch has a weird fixation on catholics. No need to always call him old douche and worse.
        I like reading Parsifal’s posts a lot, you make a lot of sense on many things, but you stoop to these ad hominem attacks on OD all the time. There’s no need to do that. Even when TMcR is posting good comments on topic, sometimes you jump his shit.
        We don’t all have to think in unison on everything, as long as we can agree on the main things, such as the jew root to most all of our troubles. And you guys do agree on that.

      20. Mega Therion Says:

        Old Douche,

        I’d love to see you get the Lord Mountbatten treatment. He was on a fishing trip(like you) when he got blown apart 30 years ago this month. The Micks got him good…one of their prouder moments.

        LOL

      21. Mega Therion Says:

        And only a JEW FAG would refer to Chris Matthews as “blonde”

        You really are a homo. LOL!

      22. Blackshirt Says:

        “We know Old Dutch has a weird fixation on catholics. No need to always call him old douche and worse.”

        2050, the problem is that posters like Old Dutch and McReen take potshots at other posters causing the cycle of retribution. If there was some moderation these things probably would be controlled. I thought things were getting better when McReen was eliminated, but now he is back apparently with the blessing of the management. I for one will NEVER let him get away with some of the shit he says.

        As far as Old Dutch is concerned, he doesn’t seem half as toxic as McWeenie, and I find him slightly amusing with his fixation with Catholics. He steps over the line though with his attacks on White nationalities such as Irish, Italians, and Spanish. As someone with Italian ancestry, I won’t stand for this sort of slander. OD refers to Irish as “micks” in one of the above posts and he has referred to Italians in the past as “dagos”. No fucking excuse for that.

        I find it curious though that “Curt O’brian” and “Tom McReen”- two supposed “Irishmen” would stand up for Old Dutch and support him when he so clearly has nothing but disdain for the Irish. As far as I’m concerned this further confirms that Curt/Tom is a charlatan and fake, possibly a agent provocateur.

        2050, as far as your concern for “newbies” being turned off by the debate here, do you think that all the Italian/Irish/”catholic”/non-Nordic bashing is going to attract recruits? Let me answer that for you- no. So since the moderator will not call McReen/O’brian/banjo billy or Old Dutch out for this kind of bullshit, those of us who feel differently must engage and dispute the crap they post.

      23. Howdy Doody Says:

        Mega Therion Says:

        12 August, 2009 at 11:20 pm

        Old Douche,

        I’d love to see you get the Lord Mountbatten treatment. He was on a fishing trip(like you) when he got blown apart 30 years ago this month. The Micks got him good…one of their prouder moments.

        LOL

        Pertaining to Mountbatten, at the time I had read it was blamed on the I.R.A. but I now think it was the same enemy aliens who did in the http://www.ussliberty.org

        As for for old douche, he fully exposed himself on the O.D. Forum with with WW 2 debates, enuff said.

      24. Howdy Doody Says:

        IMO

        VNN has done all it could to defend, and leave anti Western scum free ranging from day one. Of course its not as bad as use to be, but the site shot its self in both feet IMO over the years.

      25. Z.O.G. Says:

        He steps over the line though with his attacks on White nationalities such as Irish, Italians, and Spanish. As someone with Italian ancestry, I won’t stand for this sort of slander. OD refers to Irish as “micks” in one of the above posts and he has referred to Italians in the past as “dagos”. No fucking excuse for that.

        Parsifal does the EXACT same thing(including the word “Dago”), yet you don’t seem to have a problem with it. Hmm, I wonder why? ;-)

      26. Z.O.G. Says:

        Parsifal has used the word “Mic” several times also, Blackshirt, but yet you didn’t seem to notice.

      27. Mega Therion Says:

        If Old Dutch had any common sense he’d see that ALL OF CHRISTIANITY is detrimental to the white race. To single out Catholicism and then attack those of Italian,Irish,Polish extraction shows how shortsighted and dumb he is.

        But then again..he worships a JEW. So what else can we expect?

      28. old dutch Says:

        2050—These Roman Catholic Activists, MegaTard/Parsi, Blackie, if they are not sock puppets, have broken all of Linder’s Rules regarding comments.

        It’s pretty obvious that this is the same group that goes after Rounder, and now Banjo Billy. Yet they defend the likes of Chris Matthews, Nancy Pelosi & Ted Kennedy. This demonstrates these Roman Catholic Activists are either agents, antis or just plain crazy.

        How can they justify Matthews? http://chrisgun.ytmnd.com/

      29. Howdy Doody Says:

        http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/index.php

        By O.D. I am talking about the Forum.

      30. Mega Therion Says:

        Rounder…RAT. Government informant. Testified against TRUE patriots. Sending him money or giving him your address is tantamount to mailing it to FBI headquarters.

        He is Linder’s biggest mistake. Old Douche may be number 2…

        Because,Douche, you really are “Number 2″…LOL

      31. Howdy Doody Says:

        ZOG, I am an older type having been around, but I never heard of OD as a reference to any one or anything much less Irish, itz news to me.

      32. Mega Therion Says:

        Just a guess..but I’m starting to believe that “Old Dutch” is….

        Frank Cohen/Collin. A child molesting JEW.

      33. Mega Therion Says:

        Oh yeah….

        What PROTESTANT church does Obongo belong to?

        L-O-fucking-L!

      34. Howdy Doody Says:

        Oh, lawdy, pass da Wattymelon.

      35. 2050 Says:

        Blackshirt says:
        [quote]
        He steps over the line though with his attacks on White nationalities such as Irish, Italians, and Spanish. As someone with Italian ancestry, I won’t stand for this sort of slander. OD refers to Irish as “micks” in one of the above posts and he has referred to Italians in the past as “dagos”. No fucking excuse for that.
        [/quote]

        I agree with you on this. (I agree with many things, maybe most things you say) And I’m of German/Scottish/Irish/British ancestry.

        [quote]
        2050, as far as your concern for “newbies” being turned off by the debate here, do you think that all the Italian/Irish/”catholic”/non-Nordic bashing is going to attract recruits? Let me answer that for you- no. So since the moderator will not call McReen/O’brian/banjo billy or Old Dutch out for this kind of bullshit, those of us who feel differently must engage and dispute the crap they post.
        [/quote]

        No, I think that sort of posting will not attract new people, but cause folks to think we’re nuts or at best a bunch of loosley defined whatever, not the WN message for sure.

        However, Parsifal does the same thing. and in fact uses the terms with ‘white’. as in white Christians, capitalists etc.

        OD should keep the Catholic stuff on some other forum.
        McReen makes a lot of posts lately that are on topic, and still gets jumped though, even if he might be spot on. That’s not right. I know he does it too sometimes, but…

        Oh, how do you guys make that cool bold line that helps make your indented quotes stand out?

        HD~ Do you mean OD exposed himself as a jew? I’m sorry, I have stayed away from the forums because of the infighting, so I don’t know what’s up.

        I think some posters leaned to the left and some to the right, (maybe even a lot more than leaning;) and bring that left-right thing here. I think we have to have all white activists, not just the right or left.

        I don’t know, I guess i was the kid who tried to stop the fight and get the guys to talk to each other.

      36. Marwinsing Says:

        Right. Own up. WHO HERE ON THIS THREAD…

        …owns a telly?

        Many so-called “white nationalists” are worse than jews.

      37. Tom McReen Says:

        “I find it curious though that “Curt O’brian” and “Tom McReen”- two supposed “Irishmen” would stand up for Old Dutch and support him when he so clearly has nothing but disdain for the Irish. As far as I’m concerned this further confirms that Curt/Tom is a charlatan and fake, possibly a agent provocateur.”

        What the hell is this state troll talking about now? I’m not Curt and I haven’t said anything pro or con about Old Dutch’s views on the Irish.

      38. LOL Says:

        Old Dutch thinks “Roman Catholic activist sock puppets” are secretly defending “the likes of Chris Matthews, Nancy Pelosi & Ted Kennedy” on VNN.

        LOL!

      39. old dutch Says:

        LOL—If you have been reading these threads you would know there is nothing “secret” about these Irish Roman Catholic political activists defending their ethnic co-religionists.

        Marswing—you are right. The behavior of these Roman Catholic political activists is the same as typical jew behavior. Both the Roman Catholic political activists and the Jew political activists will defend their ethnic co-religionist politicians under all & any circumstances.

        2050—My ancestry is much the same as Linders’ only a little less Swiss. They came to America early to get away from the Catholics! Now here we are over 300 years later facing the same aggressive Catholics & their Jew Allies are making life miserable for White people.

        You might recall that in the French & Indian War the French Catholics used the non-White Indians to try and kill us.

        Marswing—Some of these characters who comment here have great fantasy lives—they don’t get the difference between truth & fiction. Real politics & make believe.

        Btw, I’m pretty sure I read that Collins character, who has been referred to, claimed he was an Irish Roman Catholic. LOL. Look it up, if you want. LOL.

      40. Mega Therion Says:

        OLD DUTCH IS A JEW FAG.

        LOL

      41. Blackshirt Says:

        Z.O.G. Says:

        “He steps over the line though with his attacks on White nationalities such as Irish, Italians, and Spanish. As someone with Italian ancestry, I won’t stand for this sort of slander. OD refers to Irish as “micks” in one of the above posts and he has referred to Italians in the past as “dagos”. No fucking excuse for that.

        Parsifal does the EXACT same thing(including the word “Dago”), yet you don’t seem to have a problem with it. Hmm, I wonder why? ;-)”

        ZOG, I haven’t seen any of Parsifal’s posts that supposedly slandered the Irish or Southern Europeans. If I had I would have called him out on it, pure and simple.

      42. Blackshirt Says:

        Old Dutch, you are obviously insane since you insist on labeling me an “Roman Catholic Activist” when I was raised a Protestant and I would now consider myself an Agnostic. I’ve made it plain many times in my posts that I have nothing but disdain for the Christian religion, and both Mega and Parsifal have too. Just because we are against your insane focus on a Popish conspiracy, all of a sudden we are “Roman Catholic Activists”. Well, I guess in your warped, insane world we are if you see agents of the pope behind every bush. LOL

      43. LOL Says:

        Old Dutch says; “LOL—If you have been reading these threads you would know there is nothing “secret” about these Irish Roman Catholic political activists defending their ethnic co-religionists.

        LOL, I see. They’re being open about being Catholic by saying they’re not Catholic. That makes perfect sense, LOL,

      44. LOL Says:

        ^ that makes my head hurt thinking about it, LOL.^

      45. LOL Says:

        To you filthy Irish Roman Catholic political activists here on VNN: Stop
        defending the likes of your ethnic co-religionists Chris Matthews, Ted Kennedy, and Nancy Pelosi’s big hairy snapper, LOL

        And stop doing it secretly in the open, it’s making my head hurt, LOL.

      46. Blackshirt Says:

        “LOL, I see. They’re being open about being Catholic by saying they’re not Catholic. That makes perfect sense, LOL”

        All I can say is LOL.

      47. Mega Therion Says:

        And Obongo is a Protestant! LOL!

      48. Parsifal Says:

        ZOGtard asks:
        Parsifal does the EXACT same thing(including the word “Dago”), yet you don’t seem to have a problem with it. Hmm, I wonder why? ;-)

        ******************************************************
        So, I don’t like the Irish or the Italians, eh? That would be news to friends of mine who have names like O’Neil, Donahue, Burke, Pardini and Capelli. ZOG’s friends have names like…………….Oh, that’s right. He hasn’t any.

      49. old dutch Says:

        When your Irish & Italian Roman Catholic politicians & their Jew political allies force O’BamaCare, Amnesty, more Gun Control, Cap & Trade, and harsher “Hate Crimes Laws” down the throats of White Americans—see if anyone cares if your “feelings” are hurt. LOL.

      50. Z.O.G. Says:

        You’re a lying son of a bitch, Parsitroll.

        Just a couple of weeks ago you called Italians “Dagos”, and you’re always making jokes about Polish and Irish people. And you’ve called Irish people “Mics”.

        You can’t even keep your lies straight anymore, you P.O.S.

      51. LOL Says:

        Old Dutch says” When your Irish & Italian Roman Catholic politicians & their Jew political allies force O’BamaCare, Amnesty, more Gun Control, Cap & Trade, and harsher “Hate Crimes Laws” down the throats of White Americans—see if anyone cares if your “feelings” are hurt. LOL.

        I didn’t say my feelings were hurt, I said your “logic” made my head hurt, LOL. It does, LOL. I guess that means I’m normal, LOL.

        But thanks for finally admitting that you think that the “Irish & Italian Roman Catholic politicians” are the real threat. I’m shocked that you think that old dutch, LOL. Who’d have ever guessed, LOL?

      52. Parsifal Says:

        ZOG, you’re an even bigger retard than I gave you credit for. Tell me again how the Jews don’t run Hollywood?

        SHITHEAD.

      53. Blackshirt Says:

        LOL, I think you have Old Dutch figured out. LOL

        LOL
        LOL
        LOL

      54. Blackshirt Says:

        ZOG, if what you say about Parsifal is true, how about providing some proof? Can’t you go back in the archives and copy some of his quotes and repost them? If you can’t, then you have no proof and case closed.

      55. Z.O.G. Says:

        Hey, Parsifal, you old queer. I bet you participated in the Stonewall riots, didn’t you? Tell the truth. LOL

      56. Z.O.G. Says:

        # Parsifal Says:
        10 June, 2009 at 8:48 am

        ” The cramped factory and the crowded city weeded out the big, blond Nordic with portentous rapidity, whereas the little brunet Mediterranean, in particular, adapted himself to the operative’s bench or the clerk’s stool, prospered—and reproduced his kind…………”

        This is SO true! An excellent observation. I live in an area that up until about 120 years ago was inhabited exclusively by those of Northwestern European ancestry. It was a mostly rural area dotted with small family farms and sprawling virgin forests. Then came the Jew Capitalist Industrial Revolution and millions of swarthy southern Meds were let in, with their backwards Catholic superstition and clannish, Mediteranean ways. They went to work in the big, ugly factories and mills and they loved it…..the noise, the repetetive workbench labor, the crowded conditions.

        Now those factories and mills are crumbling eyesores. And the old farms and pastures have been plowed over so that the descendents of that Dago invasion can live in their generic-looking McMansions, far away from the invading hoardes of gooks and spics who will soon take their place, just like the Dagoes replaced the Anglo-Welsh-Scots. This part of the country is no longer any place for civilized, nature-loving White men to live.

        ———————————————–

        http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/?p=4770

      57. Z.O.G. Says:

        There you go, Blackshirt. ;-)

      58. Blackshirt Says:

        Well, you won that round ZOG. I didn’t know what Parsifal thought about Italians. With that said, I still agree with him at least 80% of the time. He is entitled to his opinion, but if I would have seen that thread I would have been a pit put off. Although my people are from Southern Italy, he does have a point about the genetic qualities of SOME of the southern Italians. I guess you have to judge on a case by case basis. I usually take offense at those who categorize all southern Meds as less than worthy racial stock, since that is a untrue generalization. One must remember that even the most homogeneous of European nationalities have had infusions of non-native blood in the past, sad to say. Even the “pure” Germans have had multitudes of Romans, Slavs, Huns, Gypsies and Jews living or passing through their lands, occasionally breeding with the local populace. But I’ll spare you the complete lecture on the subject.

      59. Parsifal Says:

        Well, if it’s any consolation, Blackshirt, I have family from the Ukraine whose origins are in parts of that country which are on the frontier with Kazakstan. As you know, such places are regularly criticized by Nordicists for being partially Asiatic (even though everyone in the family has green or hazel eyes, brown or blond hair and are mostly employed either as technicians or engineers). SS leader Reinhard Heydrich said that Asia begins in Poland, so I’ve had to deal with that sort of thing from the Nordicist crowd from time to time. I should not have been so insensitive to the fact that some of the most racially aware White people come from the southernmost and easternmost parts of Europe. Sorry about that!

        Which brings me to my next point. The retarded shit-for-brains which calls itself “ZOG” (why not call yourself “FBI” or “MOSSAD”? It would basically be the same thing, you idiot) conveniently forgot to bring up another post of mine, the one that criticized Nordicists and their arrogant, exclusionary mentality. Remember that one? I was annoyed with Topkea and plainly stated that, unlike the German and Scandanvian fathers, no Slavic or Mediteranean dad would let his daughter sleep with niggers. In fact, I made that same or similar point in two or three earlier posts, as well as on other sites.

        Again, sorry for the stupid remarks. But as for you, ZOG, I apologize for NOTHING. You may look forward to many, many more psychologically traumatizing insults from me. I know I’ve gotten under your skin pretty good so far. But I’ll have you wetting your bed (again) in no time.

      60. abc Says:

        Maybe some Italians are white but many others racially are Semites or Dalits (gypsies), it’s so obvious. And isn’t the name ‘wop’, not ‘dago’?

      61. Z.O.G. Says:

        Parsifal Says:
        14 August, 2009 at 4:40 pm

        …conveniently forgot to bring up another post of mine, the one that criticized Nordicists and their arrogant, exclusionary mentality. Remember that one?…

        Exactly. In one post you denigrate Southern Europeans for not being White enough, and then in another post you criticize Nordicists because they denigrate Southern Europeans for not being White enough!

        THAT’S DOUBLE SPEAK.

        In other words, you’re full of shit.

      62. Parsifal Says:

        That’s right, fuckface, ball up everything I wrote. You just make yourself look even more stupid by doing that.

        Now leave me alone, I want to talk to the grown-ups here.

      63. Z.O.G. Says:

        # Parsifal Says:
        14 August, 2009 at 4:40 pm

        Again, sorry for the stupid remarks. But as for you, ZOG, I apologize for NOTHING. You may look forward to many, many more psychologically traumatizing insults from me. I know I’ve gotten under your skin pretty good so far. But I’ll have you wetting your bed (again) in no time.

        Keep dreaming, bitch. As Old Dutch would say, “LOL”.

      64. Blackshirt Says:

        Well “abc” the same can be said for many European nationalities. I have seen plenty of Germans and Brits who definitely have some questionable ancestry and look semitic. Reinhard Heydrich was a good example.

        So don’t use this conversation as an opportunity to further disparage Southern Europeans. Your statement that “some” Italians are White means that you think most of them aren’t. Most of the Italian population is White in the sense that they are part of the Mediteranean subgroup of the White Race. But if you are of the opinion that only Nordics are White, I guess you don’t buy that argument.

      65. Blackshirt Says:

        Parsifal, I understand where you are coming from and I’m satisfied with your explanation. I have seen in other posts that you have made where you have come out against the Nordicists, and I’m right there with you on that. I also happen to have some Russian in me, so the anti-Slav crap gets under my skin, too.

      66. Stronza Says:

        No slur against the blond Slavic “technicians & engineers” in your family, Parsifal, but in general I’d judge an ethnic group/race in North America by the number of farmers they include. (I am Slavic, too.) All the good farmers I have known are Ukes, Poles, Dutch, German, French, a few English-Scotch-Irish, some Scandinavians. Not one Italian or Serb or Jew. I feel sad when I see children of 20-generation peasant people smirking at their ancestors & thinking that the hustle-bustle ‘sophistication’ of city life is the way to go.

        So maybe love of the land and, more important, the ability to do something with it, is a blond thing. :-)

      67. Parsifal Says:

        That’s a very good point about American farmers, Ms. Stronza. They are all of hearty, Slavic or Germanic stock. The Aryan has an ancient, almost mystical or spiritual bond with his farm and his cattle. Prehistoric Aryans were the first to domesticate the giant, Ice-Age Auroch and breed them into cattle 10,000 years ago. Jews could never understand any of that.

        Maybe the reason that Mediteranean immigrants never got the hang of country living in America is because they came from small, impoverished villages where farming was very difficult and unprofitable, so it was only natural that they should be attracted to the better opportunities in America’s cities instead. There are a lot of Portugese and Greeks around this area I live in and none of them are farmers, either. Their natural inclination is to be fiishermen like their ancestors or to work in the restaurant business. A stereotype perhaps, but it’s still true.

      68. Blackshirt Says:

        Good observations, Parsifal. As someone who has done a little traveling around in Europe, I’ve noticed that in Italy the ground is not as fertile and a great deal of the population lives cramped in apartment houses in the city. Excellent point about Southern Europeans being more fishing oriented also. So yes, when you have people living on fertile farmland relatively far from the Ocean you are going to get more and better farmers, the sort of hearty peasant types you would see in the heart of Poland, the Ukraine, Russia, etc. Places like Scandinavia have some good farmland, but for the most part the Scandinavians in the coastal areas are more fishing oriented, so they have the best of both worlds.

        But to judge the Southern Europeans as being somewhat less worthy because they don’t have a strong farming tradition would be ignoring the geographical, climatological, and land fertility issues they have to deal with.

      69. They're at it again, Ma..! Says:

        Jeebus Cripes….how much more time are you characters going to waste on this Nord/Celt/Med meansfuckingnothing White ethnic infighting?

        OF COURSE Italians have a farming tradition. A rich one! If any of you lived near a coastal city in the US you’d know that. How could they have such an incredibly varied and complex cuisine if they didn’t? I know Italian families that have farmlands all over California, from tiny self-sufficient tracts to enormous vineyards.
        The vast majority of family-run markets here are owned by Italians-and they source locally, which means bobtails loaded with FRESH fruit and vegetables, not double trailer loads of half-frozen rot coming from three states away like the big supermarkets. Decades ago, the Italian migrants even had farms right in the middle of San Francisco! In Diamond Heights, where the Mission/Portrero, Market Street and the Sunset/Parkside districts meet. You learn shit like that when you sit still for your grandparents grand old stories about (obstensibly) better times.

        Trolling, infighting, Kryptstian “My God is Bigger than your God” squabbles…and worst of all, one or two technophobe/illiteratis that are convinced that chucking 10,000 years of technical and scientific progress will deliver the race from oblivion. Which is hardly assured even if you can wrest our now-purloined technology from the hands of our enemies first. Because you can bet they’re not going to go back willingly to the fugue state and it’s poverty they were in before contact with the White Man. Shall we close the patent office and prop up Ronald Reagan’s corpse in the Oval Office? How “Stormfront-y” will VNN become before no one of any thoughtfulness wishes to bother posting here anymore?

        Like good ole’ T.T., my own background is Germanic farmland stock. I’m proud of that but it means nothing in this fight for our continued existence. And also like T.T., I have nothing but disdain for white ethnic infighting. It’s simply the stupidest thing I can imagine. Crank it up a notch or two, and you have the same disinformation campaign that got us into two disastrous and fratricidal wars.

        Leave it, and let the trolls know where you stand. A long way’s away.

      70. abc Says:

        @Blackshirt

        It’s no nordicism when you see Semitic or Dalit, Turk, etc. traits in Italians, I can make the difference between a white brunette and a mud, and many Italians definitely are muds, not white. Note that I’m talking about the immigrants, maybe more white Italians remained in Italy.
        I’m not saying all wops are muds while all Germans are Nordics; I say it’s a mistake to accept or reject all Italians as a group, even if a vociferous white Italian pushes in this direction. I trust my eyes, not propaganda.

      71. Blackshirt Says:

        You’re right, “They’re at it again, Ma..!” Completely right… no arguments from me. Come to think of it, where I am in New England I notice Italians tend to have more home gardens than the rest of the population. Good points.

        As far as “abc” goes, using terms like “wop” is not going to get you any friends amongst those who are Italian in nationality, whether they fit your definition of White or not. There is no need to use that term any more than using terms like kraut, dumb pollock, mick or limey.

      72. Parsifal Says:

        I didn’t mean to disparage southern Euros because they’re more oriented towards fishing than farming. The ancient Greeks started off as fishermen and sheep herders, yet they created the first Western civilization. And of course, the Meds are known for their excellent vineyards and olive groves. But isn’t it true that northern Italians in places like Florence and Genoa regard the Italians from Naples and Sicily as inferior? Just like the Japanese from the northern home islands look down on the Japanese from Okinawa, I guess. There will always be that tribal “we’re better than they are” mentality in nature.

      73. Tom McReen Says:

        Good work, Z.O.G.

        LOL

      74. abc Says:

        @Blackshirt

        I don’t try to have Italian friends. It would be a mistake, just ask Hitler!
        Due to eye-opening negative experiences with non-white Italians, I tend to use the ‘wop’ term, that is not so pejorative IMO. I use ‘pollack’ too because many (not all!) Poles are just stubborn, drunk, peasants, but that’s another story (ask Hitler!) And ‘pollack’ isn’t very pejorative either.
        I see nothing wrong with ‘limey’, describing the somewhat hypocritical English (ask Hitler!), and I even sometimes use ‘kraut’, because many (not all!) Germans are ignorant brutes (ask Hitler’s colleagues!)
        Although in my book, they (the natives) are all whites, except many wops, which is what matters today.

      75. Stronza Says:

        Pars, I don’t think the ancient Greeks “started off” solely as sheepherders & fishermen. They apparently did much farming as well, but the sheep overgrazed, destroying the soil and leaving Greece a big rock.

        Re Italians farming. Not where I live. They are ALL in the big cities and, yes, they are well known for growing tomatoes and greens in their very good backyard gardens. But farming? No. Nothing WRONG with that, nobody said this made them bad people or anything. I just started out here saying that I am more impressed with immigrants to N.America who try to be real farmers. Merely a personal opinion. Nothing against fishermen, etc.

        As to Italy itself, yes, there is lots of farming there. I like to think that all white people, if given the opportunity, want to cultivate the land at least to some degree. Cultivation = civilization, at least in the beginning.

      76. Parsifal Says:

        I guess ZOG got lonely and created an imaginary alter-ego he calls Tom McReen. Tell me about the McReen family history, boys. How far back does it go? Four months?

      77. Blackshirt Says:

        Well you are right about that Parsifal. When “McReen” got banned a few months ago, one of the points that was raised was that one of the ladies here could find no “McReen”s in any phone book, hence the name doesn’t exist. Also it was found that McWeenie just showed up on the forum and here in Feb. ’09 and immediately started attacking other posters as being “leftists”. McWeenie/Curt O’brian/banjo billy is a fraud and possibly a agent provocateur.

      78. Stronza Says:

        Not Banjo Billy. Say it ain’t so.

      79. Tom McReen Says:

        “Not Banjo Billy. Say it ain’t so.”

        Don’t worry, the lying state troll is stirring shit. That’s why he and his socks are here. He now keeps accusing others of doing what he does to try and confuse people because we’re all onto him.

      80. Curt O'brian Says:

        This reminds me of the WSJ attacks by the gays. They try to post at the head of every article about gay marriage. Or Mormons. Or the army. etc.

        It is organized. No way is this one guy sitting in his hammock with a laptop and a cellular connection. This is some gay, got to be gay, probably some part Jewish government man during the day.

        It has to be more than one person to post at three in the morning and then over and over again under five names 24/7. I think its a group of paid people sharing the name and password.

        I think one of them is pretty good. The daytime one. But the nighttime ones are much younger sounding and try to imitate the white voice in the Jewish stereotype in their cultural imagination of inferior whites. Raise your game late night monkeywrenchers – raise your game.

        It isn’t stupidity black/para/meg/etc. It is the decency and golden rule of white culture that you interpret as weakness time and time again. Then when a white group plays by your rules – like in world war Two – you get upset?

      81. Blackshirt Says:

        You fake Irishmen (Irishman) need to give it up. Typical Jewish behavior, when doing something wrong point at someone else and make accusations. I am one person, always have been. I’m not Parsifal or Mega Therion, although I like their thinking because they despise Jewsus-loving right wing nuts as much as I do. I predict that you and your alter egos will be banned again, McWeenie. You contribute nothing to any conversations except attacks on other posters. But that’s your job, isn’t it?

      82. Blackshirt Says:

        “He now keeps accusing others of doing what he does to try and confuse people because we’re all onto him.”

        You mean all one of you? This forum was fine until you showed up again McWeenie.

      83. Parsifal Says:

        “I think one of them is pretty good. The daytime one. But the nighttime ones are much younger sounding and try to imitate the white voice in the Jewish stereotype in their cultural imagination of inferior whites. Raise your game late night monkeywrenchers – raise your game.”

        ###########################################

        An unusually interesting and elaborate theory, you paranoid madman, but I’m afraid to break the news to you and your alternate personality “McReen” that I never met Blackshirt or Mega T. I would like to have a beer with them one of these days, though.

        I do know a few whacked-out, anti-racist lefties (they don’t know about my hate-crazed, un-PC beliefs) and for what it’s worth they wouldn’t waste their time all posting under one identity on some racist website at all hours of the day and night. Instead, they are out in the streets marching with their signs and their bullhorns raising hell, like our side should be doing.

        Anyway, I guess my point is that you’re even weirder than me.

      84. Mega Therion Says:

        Hate to ruin “McReen/O Brian/Zog” delusion…but I’m my own man,you psycho(s?)

        However, if I’m going to be accused of being somebody, Parsifal and Blackshirt are both fine by me. They are enlightened, not stuck in the same paralytic paradigm that has been WN’s albatross…and that would be Religion/Patriotism. Abandoning Christianity and being an “American” freed me from the chains that still trap so many of our brethren. God and Country are fuckin’ lead boots that limit us.

        And “Curt” is a repressed homosexual. Only a FAG brings up fags so often and without reason. Go find another forum,ok Gacy!

      85. Parsifal Says:

        Once again, I think I should modify remarks I made in an above post. I didn’t mean to imply that worthwhile individuals like Blackshirt, J. Huber, Mega T, Irma, Adam and others are wasting their time by posting here or that their efforts are not appreciated by me. THAT IS DEFINTELY NOT THE CASE! I enjoy reading their posts and communicating with them very much. It’s important to know there are others out there who have successfully de-programmed themselves from decades of Bible baloney and Jew supremicist propaganda. The time to confront the Iron Heel face to face will come eventually, so let the liberal activists, Jews and homos have fun with their street-theater demonstrations for now.

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