18 September, 2009

Is America, Too, Breaking Up? Or, Nothing Succeeds Like Secession

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by Edmund Connelly.

“To say that the last few generations have been a demographic disaster for many White populations around the world is an understatement. That Whites in America are now slated to fall to a mere half of the population by 2042 is but one of the more telling signs of this sad truth.”

[Article].


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  7. 47 Responses to “Is America, Too, Breaking Up? Or, Nothing Succeeds Like Secession”

    1. Zoroastro Says:

      The hour is now, not some fictional 2042.

    2. Lee Luttrell Says:

      The first demographic report I saw stated 2050..Now 2042..make no mistake we are going downhill..the question is How Fast? You can expect this number to change as well.

    3. Diamed Says:

      It’s good to see ‘respectable,’ ‘intellectual’, websites like The Occidental Observer saying it like it is. For once I can trust the authors to understand the severity of our situation and prioritize our suffering over the suffering of others. Secession is the GENTLEST, NICEST solution for our problems. We’re well within our rights to simply slaughter all the invaders of our countries and all the traitors inside it who let them in, in pure self defense. That instead we’d be content with a small slice of our country back just so that we can live in peace and raise our children again, is positively saintly, not ‘extreme’ or ‘hateful.’.

      Any ‘pro-white’ group which is not calling for secession is terminally useless. Cowardly worthless scum who can do nothing but whine for twenty years without even once explaining their solutions to our problems are NOT LEADERS. Connelly, by calling for secession and openly praising the Northwest Quartet, is someone who ‘believes his own bullshit,’ as Linder would say. Someone who isn’t crawling around with a mask over his face afraid to offend ‘middle American values,’ and begging for libertarians, christians, and all sorts of kwansertives to come save us.

      Hopefully this is the start of a trend and the white nationalist right will actually unite around the idea of, gasp, creating a white nation. For those groups who won’t, deny them your time, deny them your money, and mock them. You NEVER, EVER gain power by compromising, folding, or looking weak. You gain power by believing in yourself and in your cause, Hitler started with 7 National Socialists in his party, and he never compromised ONCE. That’s the way it’s fucking done.

    4. Adam Says:

      LOL. Harold Covington! I did not know he wrote for TOQ.

      From the article:

      Or this apt contrast between the America of old and now. Rebels are fighting so that a girl “can grow up in the world of Jane Austen again, instead of A Clockwork Orange.”

      But you can’t have the world of Jane Austen again within the context of the current global technological system. The two are incompatible.

      Also from the article:

      First, Kevin MacDonald wrote, “In the multicultural America of the near future, gulags and anti-White totalitarian controls are at least as likely as [a] multicultural utopia …. And if they can’t be ruled out, there is a compelling moral case to be made that Whites should not enter willingly into such a world. If there is one thing we should have learned by thinking about the history of the 20th century, it’s that we should not believe in utopias.”

      Perhaps they should not enter into it willingly, but nevertheless they are. The vast majority of white people simply DON’T CARE if the white race is destroyed, and there is no way to make them care. They care about their own personal fortunes, but the abstraction of race isn’t real to them. That is a major problem that is not being addressed here.

      And what is more utopian than Covington’s fantasies? Establishing a new, whites-only Israel would require, at a minimum, a people at least as intensely conscious of their own race as are the Jews, and most likely could only take place if they were bound together, as are the Jews, by a genetically-based ethnocentrism and the force of a common religion. This is something whites are completely lacking, and will lack for the foreseeable future. Even if they could be obtained, the result would only be a more Jew-like white – hardly an improvement.

      Also from the article:

      Some people might advocate that we accept some kind of half a loaf as a springboard for something better in the future, but history proves that doesn’t work with ZOG. With liberal democracy, you start at a certain level of moral and decent existence and then everything decays from there, kind of like radioactive half life. The United States started at an exalted level in 1783 and it decayed from that point on. Anywhere there are Jews, things only go downhill. The only hope that our people have for any kind of continued existence is the absolute removal of the Jew and everything the Jew has created from our lives, our consciousnesses, our hearts and our souls. We’re like the wolves, the buffalo, the damned spotted owls. We’re an endangered species. White people have to have their own safe habitat, clean and uncontaminated, if we are to raise our young, build up our numbers and thrive once again.

      This is an ahistorical rant that simply does not take into account the facts. There were very few Jews in America until the 1880s. The downward spiral complained about here results primarily from the growth of the global technological system. The racial struggle between whites and Jews is playing out within that context, true, but an examination of the history of America 1780 – 1880 makes it clear that the expansion of the system itself is what is killing the white race. That expansion didn’t take place at the behest of Jews. It had literally nothing to do with them. Yet without that expansion, there would have been no niggers imported to pick the cotton and tobacco that would not have been being shipped to England. Without niggers, the racial equality question does not arise, there would have been no Civil War, and the white race would have been kept safe from miscegenation. Without that expansion, even the Jew himself would not have flooded onto these shores in the 1880s and after.

      Permanently removing Jewish influences from white people’s thinking is a tall order, if it could be done at all. The complete destruction of the global technological system might achieve it, but most probably nothing less will work. And anyway, isn’t the author’s idea to make white people MORE like Jews in every way, with their own racial religion, and their own whites-only Israel? How then is this mimicking of the Jew supposed to be removing Jewish thinking?

      Sorry, but this seems to me to be hopelessly incoherent, an absurd pastiche of incompatible notions. It’s Nazism wearing Jane Austen skirts, Spock ears, and a yarmulke.

    5. CW-2 Says:

      The important point of the article, ignoring its inconsistencies, is that White people are starting to recognise the inevitability of conflict if they are to survive individually and collectively. Before a battle can start each person must reconcile in his own mind the consequences of armed struggle.
      Also one of the disabling illusions that must be cast aside is the notion that post 2042 there will be areas, say in rural Iowa, where Whites can still live peaceful and fulfiling lives. No, our enemies will not tolerate any ‘safe havens’, we need to get that into our heads.

    6. 2050 Says:

      The downward spiral of America was going on before the 1880s. You might say how fast we slid downhill was in proportion to the number of jews in our country. And if not for the jew slave traders no negroes would have been brought here in the first place.

      While i agree that the NW Imperative or whatever it’s called may not be possible with the jew media and law induced mind-control on the people, it’s not an idea that should just be blown off as stupid. Is this because of this guy Covington and some think he’s a jerk or something? Maybe the problem is that white nationalist types, instead of moving to the NW, just sit around and say, “Hey Martha, we need to nuke the whole world or if we could just blow up all the power plants in the world we could get whites to fight to defend their home from roving bands of niggers.” or some such. That may well be a fantasy too.

      While a Mad Max, post apocalyptic world may indeed benefit our race, there are no clear ways to achieve it, short of being there to pick up the pieces after a world wide nuclear war. Unless there is a WN scientist working on a virus that would only affect non-whites, or some crafty genetic engineering and an even craftier way of delivering it, but somehow I doubt it.

      HC aside, the idea of a white dominated state or region that ends up seceding in a balkanized multiracial future, has never been tried. I know about the War Between the States, but that’s different.

      I first heard about the NW thing in the 80s. I was a conservative that leaned to the radical. I thought the whole patriot/militia thing was a good thing. But i was not connected to any group and only heard the things regular white people who are basically racially aware hear. But these ideas floated around and I thought, perhaps naively, that it was a good idea. I moved there. Turned out I was the only one. By 1990 the NW had huge communities of mexis. Whites were mostly liberal. Economics made me leave later, but I always wondered what it would have been like if all of the people that fall under the umbrella of White Nationalism would have went there (or Wyoming or wherever) and what kind of effect we could have had as a voting bloc.

      Seems too late for anything like that to work with so many laws set up to prevent it as you have rightly pointed out before.

      However the future and the demographic change that’s coming may bring a social upheaval that may make our cause viable. Remember, the Indians and Chinese that we get are mostly the cream of their racial crop. The American dream, being the right of everyone, is being denied the poor from these large nations. Once they realize that the Pacific, is about as hard to cross as the Rio Grande, we may be inundated with millions of Indian untouchables and poor Chinese, on a bigger scale than the Mexicans are invading now. That may change everything.

      I’ve said I should change my name to 2042, but maybe I’ll be 2030.

      The jew knows full well, that we’ll be in mortal danger when our numbers drop too low.

      How to avoid that is what all this is about, and we can and need to theorize and discuss all the angles.

      As we become fewer and the masses of non-whites encroach more and more, more and more whites will wake up. This is as far as we can take this without speculating and guessing about possible Balkanization of races in a turf warring future or whatever. More and more people starting to see the problem is a good thing though.

    7. Curt O'brian Says:

      I only know one educated white couple out of about six that even has children. The more intelligent the white couple are the fewer kids they have. Compare that with Jewish professors. They always seem to have three kids if they are not gay.

      I don’t know why whites are not having children. Someone should do a study and prove formally what seems to be true. The more impressive and whiter the couple the fewer kids they have.

    8. ein Says:

      “Kevin MacDonald wrote, “In the multicultural America of the near future, gulags and anti-White totalitarian controls are at least as likely as [a] multicultural utopia .”

      In fact, you probably can’t have one without the other. That is, you won’t have that multi-culti utopia without also having gulags and totalitarian anti-white controls.

      That is, a hard-core of whiles won’t submit except at gunpoint … and by being indoctrinated, threatened, starved, heavily doped-up, and re-educated.

      Prophetic words from Professor MacDonald!

    9. ein Says:

      “a hard-core of whiles won’t submit except at gunpoint … and by being indoctrinated, threatened, starved, heavily doped-up, and re-educated.”

      And those are just the lucky survivors — not counting the ones who were exterminated outright!

      (I’m not sure if I should have put “lucky” in there. That’s debatable.)

    10. Blackshirt Says:

      I have this idea of a “white homeland” brought forward over and over again over the years. In theory, this sort of set up sounds like a great idea, but it is far from realistic. I have heard it stated by WNs much smarter than myself many times that if a “white homeland” did come into being by some miracle, it would immediately be besieged and destroyed, and I feel this is a correct observation.

      There is NO way world finance and world Jewry would ever let a “white homeland” come into being. The only way such a state could come into being would be with the destruction of world Jewry, which in itself would take a global total war to purge them from the earth. And if this was accomplished, why would we need a “white homeland”? If we could wipe out world Jewry our traditional White countries would belong to us again, thus eliminating the need for a white homeland.

      But back to the secession idea mentioned in the article… I believe that also is highly unlikely. The more likely scenario is a complete breakdown into lawless chaos with isolated pockets of White resistance merging into modern versions of feudalism.

    11. zoomcopter Says:

      “The important point of the article, ignoring its inconsistencies, is that White people are starting to recognise the inevitability of conflict if they are to survive individually and collectively. Before a battle can start each person must reconcile in his own mind the consequences of armed struggle.”

      A very good observation, CW-2. Possibly, the change in consciousness is occurring, right now. Sooner or later, it must occur as the stakes are very high and there’s a growing body of White people that are able to connect all the dots. White people have very good abstract reasoning skills and it is impossible not to see the terminal prognosis once the dots form a pattern.

    12. Blackshirt Says:

      Should have read “I have seen this idea of a “white homeland” brought forward over and over again over the years.”

    13. New America Says:

      I’ll deal with this thread over the next day or so – much has been said that is of merit, and reflects the success of VNN as THE Revolutionary Vanguard of Analysis of the Racial Issue we face.

      First, both Zoroastro and Lee Lutrell noted the impending demographic disaster, and addressed the issue of timing.

      I think it will be sooner than 2042, as the Mexican oilfields go net negative by 2012, and the collapse of the Mexican economy (half the national budget’s revenues are from oil) as Mexico becomes a net importer of petroleum. The mud flood will guarantee the Reconquista will be fulfilled ahead of schedule, and the former boundary line of the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo will become the demographic border once again.

      As well, with the 2010 Census under the control of Jew Rahm Emmanuel, illegals WILL be counted, which will guarantee a shift in political power (through reapportionment) toward the illegal-heavy states, at the expense of other states, and a political future where as few as ten states – maybe fewer – will be enough to elect a President.

      So, it may be that by 2014, between the collapse of the Mexican economy and Congressional Reapportionment, the actual date for the tipping point to hit will be 2014. (Given the prolific birth rates of the illegals, the demographic destiny of America as we know it will have be sealed. As Linder said, “Take thirty million Mexicans, and you’ve got Mexico.” In this case, Mexico, with snow.)

      In short, the South will secede towards Mexico, demographically, with an imploding American economy moving towards per capita GDP parity with Mexico. With this, of course, will come another characteristic of Mexico, the lack of a middle class.

      If you are one of the Terrible Tommy Metzger “Worse Is Better” crowd, well, you are about to have a lot to be happy about!

      VNN’s Curt O’Brian:
      You DO know the goal is to have white men hunted and destroyed while giving blond white women away as trophies?

    14. Lutjens Says:

      “I don’t know why whites are not having children. Someone should do a study and prove formally what seems to be true. The more impressive and whiter the couple the fewer kids they have.”

      Well, that is because they are too busy being impressive towards others and not to each other. Bobby is a fucking some Jewess or spic bitch somewhere and Janey is fucking a nigger or a kike boss. They come home after work and pretend everything is ok and then they fall asleep only to wake up and go back to the daily grind. No love = No fucking (each other) = no babies. The almighty $$$$$ runs those households. Impressive!

    15. ein Says:

      “one of the disabling illusions that must be cast aside is the notion that post 2042 there will be areas, say in rural Iowa, where Whites can still live peaceful and fulfiling lives. No, our enemies will not tolerate any ’safe havens’, we need to get that into our heads.”

      “if a “white homeland” did come into being by some miracle, it would immediately be besieged and destroyed… There is NO way world finance and world Jewry would ever let a “white homeland” come into being. “
      ……………………
      I have to agree with both of the above posters. It seems like an impractical, starry-eyed notion to me.

      The proof is in seeing how viciously the Jews’ surrogates (NATO) bombed tiny Serbia. As stated by General Wesley Clark (a semi-Jew, despite the deceptive name) — [free quote] “there is no place in Europe today for a mono-ethnic state.” Serbia could not be allowed to set such an example. They would not tolerate it.

      Just substitute “world” for Europe and the same applies.

    16. New America Says:

      Diamed wrote:

      It’s good to see ‘respectable,’ ‘intellectual’, websites like The Occidental Observer saying it like it is. For once I can trust the authors to understand the severity of our situation and prioritize our suffering over the suffering of others. Secession is the GENTLEST, NICEST solution for our problems. We’re well within our rights to simply slaughter all the invaders of our countries and all the traitors inside it who let them in, in pure self defense. That instead we’d be content with a small slice of our country back just so that we can live in peace and raise our children again, is positively saintly, not ‘extreme’ or ‘hateful.’.

      in reply:
      That’s a great paraphrase of Linder: “Secession is the MODERATE position!”

      Hot damn!

      you wrote:

      Any ‘pro-white’ group which is not calling for secession is terminally useless. Cowardly worthless scum who can do nothing but whine for twenty years without even once explaining their solutions to our problems are NOT LEADERS. Connelly, by calling for secession and openly praising the Northwest Quartet, is someone who ‘believes his own bullshit,’ as Linder would say. Someone who isn’t crawling around with a mask over his face afraid to offend ‘middle American values,’ and begging for libertarians, christians, and all sorts of kwansertives to come save us.

      in reply:
      What I like about this is your point that those who disfavor secession, in whatever Form, are of a kind with those who chose the functional equivalent of impotence – worse, self-gelding – for the last twenty years.

      Wasn’t that about when Pierce did his “White Zion”speech?

      Isn’t the obvious fulfillment of Pierce’s Vision seen in Covington’s Northwest Republic, which is not the series of “White Archipelagoes” envisioned by Pierce, but a true, no-compromise, Racial Homeland?

      And, you hit upon an excellent point, said point of which is the reason I drive home the Northwest Republic Analytical Model with such consistency.

      Your point – in summary, “twenty years of bitching and complaining, and no (practical) solutions offered” – is an excellent summary of the self-gelding of White Nationalism, in no small part due to the ruthless effectiveness of our Racial Enemies, the Jews, in getting us to accept THEIR Terms and Definitions of Who we are, personally, and What we are, collectively.

      This is how VNN can claim to be THE Revolutionary Vanguard of White Nationalist thinking.

      you wrote:

      Hopefully this is the start of a trend and the white nationalist right will actually unite around the idea of, gasp, creating a white nation.

      in reply:
      I think the combination of the Obamanation – clear proof that it is worse than we said it would be – and the merger of America-As-It-Was with the worst of Mexico, has driven home the realization with the power of ice water thrown in the face of a sleepwalker, that This Is Not A Drill, and, to quote Linder, “In politics, things can change very quickly.”

      It’s our duty to our Posterity to make sure that, at the end of the day, the Right Changes have taken place.

      By…Any..Means…Necessary.

      you wrote:

      For those groups who won’t, deny them your time, deny them your money, and mock them. You NEVER, EVER gain power by compromising, folding, or looking weak. You gain power by believing in yourself and in your cause. Hitler started with 7 National Socialists in his party, and he never compromised ONCE. That’s the way it’s fucking done.

      in reply:
      I bolded your critical point.

      It is a very, very Masculine perspective.

      We have “tolerated” those who would destroy us, and even supported them, including the ACORN types.

      Those days are at an end.

      I work through my demographic projections, my economic projections, and I look at my Nephews, my Posterity, and I silently swear to them that THEY will not be the prey for the predators who will rule America As We Know It.

      VNN’s Curt O’Brian:
      You DO know the goal is to have white men hunted and destroyed while giving blond white women away as trophies?
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    17. The Red Skull Says:

      I found the article highly informative and I largely agree.The inevitabilty of Secession is a growing force.Much as the Jews would hate to admit it,people in crisis naturally tend to seek out others like them.The forces of Nationalism and Tribalism are reasserting their influence already in this and other countries.Look at the USSR and Yugoslavia,which once the totalitarian hand lost its grip,those countries reverted back to their tribal/ethnic/national origins.Control of our Money and Press are two things Whites must never loose control of again.It is through their CONTROL of those two major aspects of American life that the Jews have been able to prevent the dissolution from happening faster than it might have.
      I haven’t read the Harold Covinton books yet,but after reading that article i definately want to.Now i know Herr Adam will laugh with derision,but the concept of our own space to breed and live in is a natural imperative of Nature.White people are like any other biological organism on the planet.If we(or any species for that matter) don’t have our own territory of some sort to breed in,with out interference from other races and “multiculturalism” we WILL DIE,as a separate organism.It doesn’t have to be in the Northwest necessarily,there will probably be 2 or more Whites Only areas,where the survivors can go to.It sickens me to think of all our people who will die at the hands of the Subhumans,BECAUSE they believed wholeheartedly the JEW LIE of Multicultural Utopia.As they are raped,robbed,mutilated and murdered by the Millions of Muds who never learned the PC lesson on “equality”,and “sensitivity”, and endless “compassion” for the “less fortunate”.We may not all agree on the White Homeland,but as the author states-MYTH is a powerful ally and provides HOPE to our people.The MYTH of the WHITE homeland must grow and be nurtured naturally,and IT WILL as more and more of us realize we are slated for Termination by the Global Technological Society.Eventually,the majority of Whites will realize the Muds have no love for us,and even want to see us destroyed.When the Horizon Event occurs,trial and tribulation will draw us together,regardless of religious/philosophical differences,into a naturally protective group with survival of OUR group as the dominant motivator.I agree that the “System” is far too corrupt and Jew -run to ever be reformed in our favor.What most of our brainwashed fellow Whites don’t realize yet is that “Democracy” won’t ever work in our favor again,as by numbers alone,the muds and Jews now have Political primacy,and won’t ever let it go or the stick they’re holding over our head,without violence.
      WE have to stand up with an alternative for our people,however faint the hope might be,because many times thats all people have to go on is “faint hope”.Its that same tiny hope that things “will change for the better” that keeps many of them involved in a system and process that negates their identity,culture,and efforts on behalf of the muds. With the Jewz in complete Control,there is no option but the eventual Complete Genocide of the White Race.As a matter of fact, the Genocide against our people has been giong on in its various forms now for decades.That is why Nazi Germany absolutely had to be Crushed.To allow a Happy,Prosperous,Well-Armed and Financially Free from Jew Usury Nation or People to exist was INTOLERABLE to the Jewz,hence their continuous vilification of it.
      I see BLOOD and rivers of it,flowing,maybe even my own,but if i knew that my death was enabling the founding of a place where we could be free from Jew Slavery,then i would gladly give what time i have left on this mudball,for the preservation of my people.The eventual Balkanization of this Jew-run Jew-cultured POS is a certainty.Someone said we’ll be like jews if we show that kind of racial solidarity.My opinion is GOOD!In that one aspect of racial Solidarity and self preservation-We should be more like the Jewz.I would argue that in that regard its ok to be like them.Whats not ok is how our people have become like Cultural Jewz in their desires and Outlook.Look at how many Whites now think of nothing but themselves and their Material prosperity.True Aryans SHARE their prosperity,as we did in the ancient times and tribes.Only the typical brainwashed AmeriKwan of today thinks only of himself and immediate family.Without an overarching program like National Socialism,we can’t work together in a framework that takes into account the survival of our Race and not just ourselves and immediate family.Jewish Socialism is what we have now,where the Gubermint takes from Whitey and gives the unearned benfits to the unworthy and undeserving subhumans.National Socialism is true White Mans Socialism,where we give willingly FROM our people TO Our People.Thats the difference.Hitler said that the Purpose of the State is to perpetuate the prosperity of the Founding Race.Once the State no longer does that,as in the case of European Americans,then the State needs to be torn down or restructured so that it does.Secession=Survival of the White Race.And its in keeping with the 14 words.Heil the 14 words.Their meaning will never be fully appreciated until much blood has been spilled,ours and our enemies,to really give them the weight of meaning of Survival of our Kind.

    18. Tim McGreen Says:

      The American Empire will break up just like every other Empire before it has. The South has never been treated like an equal partner in the American Union and the West resents all the intrusions into its affairs from Washington. With the Muds pouring in nonstop, there is nothing left, not even a common White race or language, to hold this artificial Union together.

    19. Adam Says:

      2050 Says:

      The downward spiral of America was going on before the 1880s. You might say how fast we slid downhill was in proportion to the number of jews in our country.

      The Civil War represented a large part of the slide downhill, a manifestation of an irresistible tendency of technological systems to centralize. You could say that the War settled the question of secession, and abolished Jefferson’s conception of the United States as a loose federation of agrarian democratic republics. However, it would be more accurate to say that the expansion of the technological system abolished those things.

      Also settled was the racial equality question. It was decided along the lines that the Northern, Puritan-descended elites wanted. Those Jeebus-drunk fools were behind the Abolitionist movement, which provided the moral justification for the War.

      And if not for the jew slave traders no negroes would have been brought here in the first place.

      That’s kind of a lame excuse, isn’t it? The point to keep in mind is that without the white plantation owners buying slaves, there would have been no market for niggers.

      While i agree that the NW Imperative or whatever it’s called may not be possible with the jew media and law induced mind-control on the people, it’s not an idea that should just be blown off as stupid.

      The white race is in a dire situation, and no idea to save it should be dismissed without good reason. However, I have repeatedly given several good reasons to dismiss this one, and no one has yet said where my reasoning is wrong. Some of those reasons are:

      1. Whites are genetically inclined to be individualists, and a result of this is that the vast majority of them simply DON’T CARE if their race disappears. As a matter of fact, a great many of them ARE POSITIVELY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. Because of the myth of progress, they LIKE to envision a time in the future when race doesn’t matter. Though they may not think it through, on some level they are aware that the only practical way to achieve that is for the white race to cease to exist. They know this and THEY … DON’T … CARE! Furthermore, short of modifying their genetics to make them more like Jews, there is no way to make them care.

      It is impossible to construct a racial state out of such people.

      2. Advocates of this kind of thinking then switch to saying: “Okay, you’re right, that’s how most white people are. But to hell with most white people! We only want a few whites, an elite, who are racist enough to want to join us in our whites-only Israel!”

      But this is equally ridiculous, if not more so. In the first place, it condemns probably 99% of the white race to genetic destruction. With such friends, we hardly need the Jew as an enemy, don’t you think? Secondly, you will need a LARGE fraction of the white populace in order to make up a secessionist white state. That’s how the Jews did it, remember? About 40% of Jews worldwide live in Israel. That means you need a mass movement. But a mass movement is unobtainable because of item 1, above.

      3. Forgetting these problems which make the formation of such a state impossible, and assuming it is formed, it would still be opposed by the rest of the world. Did we learn nothing from the examples of Rhodesia and South Africa? Holding on to such a state would be as impossible as forming it in the first place. It would take a whole nation of racist fanatics, imbued with the righteous fervor that comes from being united for thousands of years by a shared history and a common religion (again, that’s how the Jews did it), and whites don’t have that, and it’s impossible to give it to them. They are far too individualistic, and have never been united either as a race or on religious grounds, let alone both.

      4. Even if such a state could be founded and survive, the global technological system would simply bring it back in and neutralize it. It would first have to establish economic relations with non-white countries, and this would lead to political relations with them, which would lead inevitably to social mixing with them, and the social mixing would lead in due course to racial mixing.

      There are also other big problems I’ve mentioned, but as no one has attempted to address even these issues yet, it would probably be a waste of time to repeat them again here.

      Is this because of this guy Covington and some think he’s a jerk or something?

      Anyone familiar with Covington’s history knows exactly what Covington is. When I think of Covington, some of the things I think are: smear artist, opportunist, egomaniac, talentless hack writer, saboteur. He appears to be reasonably clever, though, and because of that, I’m fairly sure that he knows his PNW migration idea is incoherent and will never work. He simply does not care. He enjoys seeing people talk about him too much to give it up. He likes the limelight (such as it is) of being a mini-führer. He’s found his ecological niche with this idea, and it enables him to hang on and scrape by.

      While a Mad Max, post apocalyptic world may indeed benefit our race, there are no clear ways to achieve it, short of being there to pick up the pieces after a world wide nuclear war.

      Just because the ways aren’t clear to you, don’t assume they don’t exist.

      Unless there is a WN scientist working on a virus that would only affect non-whites, or some crafty genetic engineering and an even craftier way of delivering it, but somehow I doubt it.

      There are probably a lot of scientists working on race-based weapons, and there will be many more in the future. The progress of the technological system will demand it. Furthermore, it’s important to understand that whites must master the techniques of genetic engineering and nanotechnology or they will most likely be destroyed by them. The re-engineering of white people’s DNA according to the demands of the global technological system is likely inevitable unless it is itself destroyed before it can act.

      HC aside, the idea of a white dominated state or region that ends up seceding in a balkanized multiracial future, has never been tried. I know about the War Between the States, but that’s different.

      There are regions that are largely white, but they don’t amount to a racial state, and they won’t. See item 1, above, for more.

      I first heard about the NW thing in the 80s. I was a conservative that leaned to the radical. I thought the whole patriot/militia thing was a good thing. But i was not connected to any group and only heard the things regular white people who are basically racially aware hear. But these ideas floated around and I thought, perhaps naively, that it was a good idea. I moved there. Turned out I was the only one.

      See? You proved my point.

      By 1990 the NW had huge communities of mexis. Whites were mostly liberal. Economics made me leave later, but I always wondered what it would have been like if all of the people that fall under the umbrella of White Nationalism would have went there (or Wyoming or wherever) and what kind of effect we could have had as a voting bloc.

      Item 1 in action, yet again.

      As we become fewer and the masses of non-whites encroach more and more, more and more whites will wake up.

      The capacity of white people to remain individualistic and unconcerned with their own race’s future is probably limitless. Did they wake up in South Africa, or in Rhodesia? No, they did not. They had, or actually, could have had, whites-only countries, but for economic reasons, decided not to part with their niggers. We saw the familiar old scenario repeated again: economic relationships with non-whites -> political rights for non-whites -> social mixing with non-whites -> genetic mixing with non-whites. They are now in the end phase.

      Are they waking up in America since 1964, when they were 90% of the population, and now are down to 66% or less, and have even elected a nigger President? If so, I don’t see it. I don’t know any white people who seriously claim they would die for the white race. I see zombies, shuffling off to a raceless future, and they’re happy about it, or at least, as happy as zombies ever are about anything. The zombies are really looking forward to their technology-induced extinction. They think it will be like a Star Trek adventure, where they can finally walk among the stars! That will make it all worth it, don’t you see!

      This is as far as we can take this without speculating and guessing about possible Balkanization of races in a turf warring future or whatever. More and more people starting to see the problem is a good thing though.

      At least we are in agreement on your last statement.

    20. zoomcopter Says:

      “I don’t know any white people who seriously claim they would die for the white race. I see zombies, shuffling off to a raceless future, and they’re happy about it, or at least, as happy as zombies ever are about anything. The zombies are really looking forward to their technology-induced extinction. They think it will be like a Star Trek adventure, where they can finally walk among the stars! That will make it all worth it, don’t you see!”

      You really ought to expand your circle of friends. I think any person not willing to die in defence of their own children is lacking in both courage and character. There are plenty of White people willing to risk death for their children. When illegal aliens start taking over the food lines and cut into the waiting lines at the free clinic, White parents are suddenly going to lose whatever tolerance that has been indocrinated into them. Racial reality is a very primitive emotion and we are quite civilized, for now…

    21. Ein Says:

      And if not for the jew slave traders no negroes would have been brought here in the first place.

      That’s kind of a lame excuse, isn’t it? The point to keep in mind is that without the white plantation owners buying slaves, there would have been no market for niggers.
      ……………………..

      Well, that’s sort of a chicken or egg question. It’s a valid point, but without someone bringing African slaves in, there would have been none to be had. In which case, the plantation owners would have had to employ white labor.

      Or, better still, some other form of agriculture would have developed. Small scale white farms for instance. The poor whites were driven up into the hills because wealthy plantation owners (younger sons of the Old World aristocracy) bought up all the rich coastal land and filled it with Negroes.

    22. New America Says:

      test

    23. Adam Says:

      Ein Says:

      And if not for the jew slave traders no negroes would have been brought here in the first place.

      That’s kind of a lame excuse, isn’t it? The point to keep in mind is that without the white plantation owners buying slaves, there would have been no market for niggers.
      ……………………..

      Well, that’s sort of a chicken or egg question. It’s a valid point, but without someone bringing African slaves in, there would have been none to be had. In which case, the plantation owners would have had to employ white labor.

      If the Jews had been somehow disbarred from the slave trade, do you seriously think that no one else would have brought them over? The market was created by the demand, not the supply.

      Another problem: AFAIK, only black Muslim “scholarship” supports the point that the Jews owned a lot of the slave ships bound to North America. Nigger scholarship does not strike me as being any more reliable on this point than others. It’s probably not a good idea to trust it too much.

      Or, better still, some other form of agriculture would have developed. Small scale white farms for instance. The poor whites were driven up into the hills because wealthy plantation owners (younger sons of the Old World aristocracy) bought up all the rich coastal land and filled it with Negroes.

      Yes, that’s exactly my point. They could have done something else. If they wanted to keep the country white, doubtless they would have. If you read the writings of Thomas Jefferson, it turns out he was perfectly aware of the racial problem for future generations he was creating. They all were aware, and they simply didn’t care … at least, not enough to actually DO anything about it.

      Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free. Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion has drawn indelible lines of distinction between them. It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation and deportation peaceably and in such slow degree as that the evil will wear off insensibly, and their place be pari passu filled up by free white laborers. If on the contrary it is left to force itself on, human nature must shudder at the prospect held up.Thomas Jefferson Papers Series 1. General Correspondence. 1651-1827. Feb. 8, 1821, extract of entry for that date

      The Works of Thomas Jefferson in Twelve Volumes. Federal Edition. Collected and Edited by Paul Leicester Ford.

    24. zoomcopter Says:

      Quoted from above;

      “Another problem: AFAIK, only black Muslim “scholarship” supports the point that the Jews owned a lot of the slave ships bound to North America. Nigger scholarship does not strike me as being any more reliable on this point than others. It’s probably not a good idea to trust it too much.”

      I would trust it moreso than Jewish disinformation.

    25. Adam Says:

      zoomcopter Says:

      “I don’t know any white people who seriously claim they would die for the white race. I see zombies, shuffling off to a raceless future, and they’re happy about it, or at least, as happy as zombies ever are about anything. The zombies are really looking forward to their technology-induced extinction. They think it will be like a Star Trek adventure, where they can finally walk among the stars! That will make it all worth it, don’t you see!”

      You really ought to expand your circle of friends. I think any person not willing to die in defence of their own children is lacking in both courage and character. There are plenty of White people willing to risk death for their children. When illegal aliens start taking over the food lines and cut into the waiting lines at the free clinic, White parents are suddenly going to lose whatever tolerance that has been indocrinated into them. Racial reality is a very primitive emotion and we are quite civilized, for now…

      They may care about their children’s lives, but are there any white people willing to die for the white race? I’m saying I don’t know anyone who would do that.

    26. zoomcopter Says:

      When the desire to make more money or to buy the cheapest possible items trumps the greater good of our race, we are in serious trouble. Everyone wants to buy cheap Chinese goods from Walmart, and everyone buy freshly picked apples from the orchards, but nobody wants to add up the longterm costs of these “bargains” Mexicans will pick the apples, for us, but that 50 cent apple winds up costing us 3 or 4 dollars in welfare costs, crime, etc. Mexicans doing our manual labor are simply the latest version of cotton-picking Negroes. Until we are willing to acknowledge that it is better to, either pick the apple ourselves, or hire a local White child to pick it for us, we will never eliminate the problem of alien labor and alien problems. If it is in our human nature to always take the easy way out, we then must elect leaders willing to protect us from our own baser instincts.

    27. zoomcopter Says:

      “They may care about their children’s lives, but are there any white people willing to die for the white race? I’m saying I don’t know anyone who would do that.”

      Maybe it’s just as well. I don’t think I’d like to be around anyone too willing to die…I think General George Patton had it right when he said, “Let the other poor SOB die for his country”

    28. Tim McGreen Says:

      I hate those rich White bastards who think they’re too good to scrub their own toilets or mow their own lawns, so they get some greasy wetbacks to do it instead. And then they don’t pay any Social Security taxes on the spics’ wages because they’re illegals. That’s why I like it when those beaners set fires in the hills of Cali and a bunch of multimillion dollar homes go up in flames. It’s Karma.

      Many rich White people seem to be just as hostile to the White race as the Jews are. They are loyal to their class, not to their race and it’s always been thus. I never hear of any well-to-do White people ever contributing any money, time or effort to help out a fellow White man who was down on his luck and could’ve used a break. No, too busy playing golf with their Jew business partner or their Jew father-in-law, I suppose.

      It’s not just a race-war we’re fighting, it’s also a class war. Don’t let those rich White pigs off the hook so easily. They too have a lot to answer for.

    29. CW-2 Says:

      At this stage in the war against the White race, before the first shots have been fired, it is extremely demoralising for posters to argue for inaction and give reasons why we cannot win! It amounts to intellectually painting ourselves into a corner.
      Some schemes will be futile, but others initially appearing to be dead-ends will as events unfold prove to be avenues to victory.

      As the Chinese sage Sun Tzu said, the superior general is not one who defeats the enemy in battle, but is a general who defeats his enemy without fighting by manoeuvre and by spreading defeatism in the ranks of the opposing army.

      With good leadership, preparation, and the right psychological attitude we can win.

    30. Tim McGreen Says:

      You may be right, CW-2, but it seems to me that the Forces of History will always set events in motion whether anyone is ready for them or not. Let the defeatists and the naysayers content themselves with chanting “It can’t be done, it’s too hard.” It WILL be done and it will happen, sooner or later and with or without you.

    31. Nord Says:

      You can be sure that if Whites are only 50 percent of the population by 2042, then by 2052 they will be only 10 percent.

    32. Nord Says:

      Note Adam being smart here: “And anyway, isn’t the author’s idea to make white people MORE like Jews in every way, with their own racial religion, and their own whites-only Israel? How then is this mimicking of the Jew supposed to be removing Jewish thinking?”

      Clever, isn’t it? If you want to separate from Jews and non-Whites, then you are acting like a Jew! Nya nya! Adam is using the Jewish technique of distorting your arguments and using them against you. Doesn’t work in a medium where people can talk back, though. Too bad Adam that you don’t have a column in a newspaper to write nonsense from.

    33. New America Says:

      Part 1 of 2

      in reply to Adam Dorothy:

      In an earlier thread that dealt (peripherally) with hijacking of
      social networks – “socialjacking” – I noticed that you had not
      appeared here much, if at all, until I began a policy of trying to
      solve all conflicts we faced as a Race by seeing the solution if the
      Analytical Framework of a Northwest Republic, as envisioned by Harold Covington.

      I note that all of your proposed “solutions” have within them two
      fatal flaws. This is to be expected, given your community college
      focus in philosophy, and Deleuzian (dead, thankfully) French
      philosophers.

      The first fatal flaw in your thinking comes from your fatalistic
      thinking – some mysterious force of Technology, as loosely and
      incorrectly defined by the delusional Deleuzeianists, place the
      Creative Race at the mercy of the dead hand of historical forces.

      Why, how very Marxist, and how very Jewish, of you!

      The second fatal flaw in your thinking comes from your belief in some external solution to our Racial dilemma, as if, somehow, some
      sort of genetic reformation of our genetic structures will make us
      “naturally” more cohesive, racially.

      As if – somehow, turning us into genetic Jews will make us better
      White people.

      Keep clicking those magic ruby slippers, Dororthy!

      The key to your success as a socialjacker is your ability to keep us
      from focusing on what WE can do, starting where WE are.

      This is the only sustainable source of political power, and
      political effectiveness – and, thus, is the one thing you must stop,
      preferably by diverting us to your Magic World, where nothing ever
      gets DONE, for our Race.

      It is Covington’s Northwest Republic Analytical Model that you fear.

      It is the idea of the White Race acting in concert toward a common
      goal, the fulfillment of a unique Racial Destiny, that you fear.

      Well, we may take comfort in the fact that we are being taken very
      seriously, by people who want to make us over, at the genetic level, into Jews….

      I expect you to have a show on the Turner Broadcast Network real soon!

      Now, to your critique – very Jewish, as you lack any sort of criticism, much less constructive criticism.

      you wrote:

      LOL. Harold Covington! I did not know he wrote for TOQ.

      in reply:
      Here’s where you give yourself away.

      Your FIRST mention was of Harold Covington – not the article itself,
      or the substance of the several paragraphs you have to read before you get to the first mention of Harold Covington, but of Harold Covington.

      We can see what is on your mind, and what it is you fear.

      Good.

      No higher compliment can be imagined.

      you wrote:

      From the article:

      Or this apt contrast between the America of old and now. Rebels
      are fighting so that a girl “can grow up in the world of Jane Austen
      again, instead of A Clockwork Orange.”

      But you can’t have the world of Jane Austen again within the context of the current global technological system. The two are
      incompatible.

      in reply:
      Please.

      We can easily have the world of Jane Austen, and the best of that
      world, carried forward to the present day.

      Remember, Jane Austen’s world was one where technological
      development and commercial relations were moving forward quickly to make a world where not only the Queen of England could have silk stockings, but more and more ladies, of less enriched economic
      circumstances, could afford the nicer things in life, as well.

      The same is no less true, and no less possible here.

      Austen was a most astute student of human relations in hierarchical
      organizations – the class structure of Great Britain in her time.

      She knew the absolute importance of the proper Culture in developing the proper type of person to carry forward the Race.

      THAT is what we can develop, and enhance.

      Can, should, and certainly must, if we are to fulfill our Racial Destiny anywhere, much less in the White Homeland of a Northwest
      Republic.

      you wrote:

      Also from the article:

      First, Kevin MacDonald wrote, “In the multicultural America of
      the near future, gulags and anti-White totalitarian controls are at
      least as likely as [a] multicultural utopia …. And if they can’t be
      ruled out, there is a compelling moral case to be made that Whites
      should not enter willingly into such a world. If there is one thing
      we should have learned by thinking about the history of the 20th
      century, it’s that we should not believe in utopias.”

      Perhaps they should not enter into it willingly, but nevertheless
      they are. The vast majority of white people simply DON’T CARE if the
      white race is destroyed, and there is no way to make them care. They care about their own personal fortunes, but the abstraction of race isn’t real to them. That is a major problem that is not being
      addressed here.

      in reply:
      “The vast majority of white people” are the least of my concerns.

      The proper concern are OUR Kinsfolk.

      I admire, and will fight, for the Race, that Created Western
      Civilization.

      I WILL DO REPEAT WILL DO ANYTHING to insure that my Nephews, my Blood Heirs, will have every possible opportunity to act as
      Ambassadors from a Northwest Republic today, so they will become the Living Foundation of a Northwest Republic, in time.

      The only way we can lead is by example.

      If the rest of the Race chooses to remain tranquilized in Hell,
      that’s their choice.

      The time and energy I could spend trying to get them to take the Red Pill is time and energy better spent on bettering the opportunities for those of my Kinsmen to help fulfill their personal duty in fulfilling their unique Racial Destiny in a Northwest Republic, so THEIR Posterity may work in the Mars Colony, as they walk Towards The Stars, so THEIR Posterity may walk Among The Stars.

      Again, see how you choose the impotence, the self-gelding, of
      fatalism – so common to French philosophers! – and such a contrast to the Western model of Creative Activity.

      you wrote:

      And what is more utopian than
      Covington’s fantasies? Establishing a new, whites-only Israel would
      require, at a minimum, a people at least as intensely conscious of
      their own race as are the Jews, and most likely could only take place if they were bound together, as are the Jews, by a genetically-based ethnocentrism and the force of a common religion. This is something whites are completely lacking, and will lack for the foreseeable future. Even if they could be obtained, the result would only be a more Jew-like white – hardly an improvement

      in reply:
      Well, there you go again!

      As one proof of your failure, I offer the Mormons.

      Following the Prophet, Brigham Young, many of them paid a horrific
      price to fulfill their concept of a Racial Destiny.

      Starvation was more common than many imagined.

      The journals of these people remain as cherished heirlooms in the
      homes of THEIR Posterity, who seem to have done rather well for
      themselves.

      That’s one example.

      I can easily supply more.

      Remember, the “genetically based ethnocentrism” that is at the
      foundation of the international criminal conspiracy called Judaism,
      was taken for granted by the White Race, until fairly recently.

      And, what is in our DNA allows us to Create the world all other
      Races – especially the Jews – can not Create on their own, and which they choose to move to, at great expense, at the earliest possible opportunity.

      I’ll take the White Spirit, and the Western Soul, over the Jewish
      genes, any day.

      you wrote:

      Also from the article:

      Some people might advocate that we accept some kind of half a loaf as a springboard for something better in the future, but history proves that doesn’t work with ZOG. With liberal democracy, you start at a certain level of moral and decent existence and then everything decays from there, kind of like radioactive half life. The United States started at an exalted level in 1783 and it decayed from that point on. Anywhere there are Jews, things only go downhill. The only hope that our people have for any kind of continued existence is the absolute removal of the Jew and everything the Jew has created from our lives, our consciousnesses, our hearts and our souls. We’re like the wolves, the buffalo, the damned spotted owls. We’re an endangered species. White people have to have their own safe habitat, clean and uncontaminated, if we are to raise our young, build up our numbers and thrive once again.

      This is an ahistorical rant that simply does not take into account
      the facts.

      in reply:
      It does.

      Oh, how it does, as I shall demonstrate, again proving you as
      ignorant of the facts, as you are wrong in your conclusions.

      you wrote:

      There were very few Jews in America until the 1880s.

      in reply: Mere numbers do not measure political influence.

      Haim Solomon, the financier of the American Revolution?

      Think he and his cohorts might have had a few words to say about how the Constitution would be drawn up?

      Is it a coincidence that the State Constitutions, to a one, were
      much more explicit about being Christ-Inspired, Christian communities, under Jesus Christ, than the National Constitution?

      I suspect not.

      Or, to go forward slightly, look a Judah Benjamin, a former U.S.
      Senator, as well as the Confederacy’s Attorney General and Secretary of State.

      See a pattern here?

      “A little leaven, leavens the loaf.”

    34. New America Says:

      Pt 2 of 2
      you wrote:

      The downward spiral complained about here results primarily from the growth of the global technological system.

      in reply:
      No, the “downward spiral” results from many factors,
      virtually all of which can be traced back to the implacable,
      relentless, and eternal war of the Jews against the White Race, it’s
      external Cultural manifestation as Western Civilization, and its
      Destiny, as the ONLY Race that looks Up, To The Stars.

      When we reverse the energy, we shall reverse the downward path of the spiral.

      All this requires is a change of Mind, a shift in our Focus.

      Northwest seems an excellent direction for the shift.

      you wrote:

      The racial struggle between whites
      and Jews is playing out within that context, true, but an examination of the history of America 1780 – 1880 makes it clear that the expansion of the system itself is what is killing the white
      race.

      in reply: No, the vast majority of the White Race is committing the
      functional equivalent of suicide, but that is hardly a function of
      some mystical “system” you keep referring to.

      In good part, that is from accepting the values placed before them
      by the Jew-controlled mass indoctrination system (mandatory public
      schools), the Jew-controlled MediaCorps (the Propasphere), and the
      Jew-controlled workplace (Affirmative Action, “multiculturalism”).

      Free our Minds from THAT, and allow us our “Constitutionally
      guaranteed Right of Freedom of Association,” and watch what happens.

      you wrote:

      That expansion didn’t take place at
      the behest of Jews. It had literally nothing to do with them. Yet
      without that expansion, there would have been no niggers imported to pick the cotton and tobacco that would not have been being shipped to England.

      in reply:
      You are conflating the parasites with the process.

      Jews were there making good money – blood money, in the case of the Civil War – at every step because we allowed this to happen to us.

      This is natural.

      Just as the carrion eaters only flourish in the presence of the dead
      and the dying, so, too, do the Jews and their tools, the illegals and
      the niggers, only flourish in the absence of a vital, Creative,
      Western Civilization, with Masculine Christianity as its living
      foundation.

      you wrote:

      Without niggers, the racial equality
      question does not arise, there would have been no Civil War, and the white race would have been kept safe from miscegenation. Without that expansion, even the Jew himself would not have flooded onto these shores in the 1880s and after.

      in reply: The Jews were here, in control positions, well before the
      mass immigration of the Jews following the 1880s.

      The “racial equality question” derived from the bipolar founding of
      America as a corporation, of which the Constitution is merely the
      corporate charter.

      At its corporate founding, America was essentially bipolar – a South, founded by the Company of Adventurers – all men – at Jamestown, trapped in a British colonial agriculture and extractive resources model of economic development – versus the Family and Faith foundation of New England (the Puritans), with a different model of economic development that, in time, would have made the South an economic colony of the North, and Great Britain.

      The South was trapped with cotton, and slavery.

      Once the Industrial Revolution took off, the North inexorably became the economic master of the nation.

      Lincoln’s choice of a Northern Route for the Transcontinental
      Railroad doomed the South permanently. (I think Lee worked on the
      development of a Southern Route for the Transcontinental Railroad.)

      Indeed, until after World War II, the South was an economic colony
      of the North, and was held in check by brutally high railroad rates.

      Simple economics, derived from vastly different social structures,
      and a bipolar foundation of the American nation.

      you wrote:

      Permanently removing Jewish
      influences from white people’s thinking is a tall order, if it could
      be done at all.

      in reply:
      And, really, not worth it.

      We can do what the Jews do that is right, regardless of Race, and
      work with it.

      An emphasis on Family, education, and Masculine Achievement are all useful to us in all spheres.

      It works for the Jews, and it USED to work for us.

      you wrote:

      The complete destruction of the
      global technological system might achieve it, but most probably
      nothing less will work.

      in reply:
      Dorothy!

      Have you been listening to the Scarecrow again?

      You KNOW he doesn’t have any brains.

      And neither do you.

      “…complete destruction of the global technological system” means
      that we are back to the – what – Stone Age? – where we are
      outnumbered about sixteen to one, demographically.

      Our technology is the result – the RESULT – of our Culture.

      How long do you think the White Russians would last in dealing with Muslim Central Asia without atomic weapons?

      you wrote:

      And anyway, isn’t the author’s idea
      to make white people MORE like Jews in every way, with their own
      racial religion, and their own whites-only Israel?

      in reply:
      No, that ISN’T “the author’s idea.”

      Next straw man, Mr. Scarecrow?

      you wrote:

      How then is this mimicking of the Jew supposed to be removing Jewish thinking?

      in reply:
      It ISN’T “mimicking Jew thinking.”

      you wrote:

      Sorry, but this seems to me to be
      hopelessly incoherent, an absurd pastiche of incompatible notions.
      It’s Nazism wearing Jane Austen skirts, Spock ears, and a
      yarmulke.

      in reply:
      The article, which you seem not to have read in its
      entirely, and do not seem to understand in the slightest, is
      perfectly coherent, which is more than can be said for your critique,
      and is a perfect definition of my VERY, VERY Constructive Criticism.

      Try actually reading “A Distant Thunder.”

      Start at the beginning.

      It’s a very good place to start!

      VNN’s Curt O’Brian: You DO know the goal is to have white men hunted and destroyed while giving blond white women away as trophies?

    35. Ein Says:

      “Yes, that’s exactly my point. They could have done something else. If they wanted to keep the country white, doubtless they would have. If you read the writings of Thomas Jefferson, it turns out he was perfectly aware of the racial problem for future generations he was creating.”–Adam

      I think they did care; at least some did. Trouble is, they didn’t care enough. Slave owners, plantation owners, were attached to their own comforts and privileges and were not about to give them up. They may have been philosophically in favor of something (eg. abolition of slavery), but not if it was going to cost them any significant price. This is true of everybody everywhere. Even today. People will theoretically favor something that’s publicly beneficial — if it doesn’t cost them anything — but not if they’re going to get hit with a bill.

      As for Jefferson, he wanted to do something about slavery when he was governor of Virginia; but it raised such a furor among the plantation owners that he quickly realized this was not a politically feasible solution. Not if he wanted to remain governor and have a political future! He got his wrist slapped and learned his lesson. He did not bring it up again. I wouldn’t accuse him of “not caring”. But as they say, politics is the art of the possible not the ideal. He was a politician.

    36. New America Says:

      Socrates:

      two caught in the filter.

      WP has been upgraded.

      I cant get WP to accept my post if there are too many blockquotecites, and have to break them up into separate posts.

      VNN’s Curt O’Brian:
      You DO know the goal is to have white men hunted and destroyed while giving blond white women away as trophies?

    37. New America Says:

      Returning the thread to its topic, we find every good reason to believe that the de facto breakup of what the United States of America WAS presents us with innumberable opportunities to make our lives – as was the case with the Puritans at Plymouth Rock , as was the case with the Mormons under Brigham Young – the Living Foundations of Something Much Damn BETTER than the America we knew, than the America we were raised in.

      I welcome one and all challengers to the idea that the Northwest Republic is not achievable, if not in our lifetime, than certainly in the lifetime of our Posterity.

      De facto, the organic foundation seems to be developing nicely.

      The FACT that every White Family that can afford to leave Alta California – the new de facto capital of Aztlan, the Northern Province of Mexico – is doing so will all due speed has become so obvious that even the major media is acknowledging the fact on the ground, the fact that is moving “away from here,” with all due speed.

      The Obamanations’s Jewish overlords will insure the demographic destiny of America to be a mirror if its political destiny, with Presidential elections controlled by less than ten states, the majority of them with a substantial, and rapidly growing, population of Hispanics.

      To quote Linder, “You don’t improve anything with thirty million Mexicans, do you?”

      No, no more than you improved America with deliberately dysgenic social policies under the Hew-controlled Democratic Regime of Johnson.

      Remember, the Immigration Act of 1965 – sponsored in the House by Jew Emmanuel Cellar, who said it’s passage was the capstone of fifty years in government – and the War on Poverty, which acted to cement the blacks in the cities to the Democratic Party, while encouraging dysgenic policies in favor of a rapidly growing political party support base, which could be used as a tool to attack the ethnic Whites in the cities – shifted America’s demography away from the foundations of American greatness.

      Fast forward the tape two generations, and in that short a period of time, America’s cities have become demographic hell-holes, places where the feral predators rule the night, and most of the day.

      Above all, the African in America have turned vast swaths of America INTO Africa, as the Somalis in Minneapolis are doing, even now.

      Above all, the Mexicans IN America are turned vast swaths of the former South and Southwest INTO Mexico, as Los Angeles, the regional capital of Alta California has become, even as we speak.

      De facto, these areas are seceding from America, except for the money, and this will continue, until the money runs out, one way or another.

      America’s decline can be seen in hidden decay; the soft collapse of the infrastructure will continue apace, as more “State-maintained” roads go back to being gravel roads – which they were before Civilization came to transform them – and a tipping point, an irreversible indicator of decline, will be what Peter Schank observed in the economically collapsed countries of Eastern Europe – trash in the street, that is never collected.

      Hey!

      We already have that in America, don’t we, in Los Angeles, with used diapers thrown casually into the street, and Detroit, where the average price of a “house” is less than the average price of a new automobile.

      The newest tool to mask this decay – bulldozing half or more of cities like Youngstown, Ohio, and Flint, Michigan – simply moves the cancer to where it continue to do what it was exported to do – destroy White communities, this time in Suburbia.

      Of, you didn’t notice the Obamanation’s creation of Section 8 housing in Westchester, New York?

      Send the predators to a target-rich environment.

      Look for one trend in America that is long-term positive.

      You can’t.

      Look for trends in the Northwest Republic, the White Homeland, that are long term positive, and can be locked in as long-term positive.

      THAT list is as long as WE – and our Posterity – choose to make it.

      What are you doing with the rest of YOUR life?

      Do you want it live in on defense, or would you like a chance to move the ball down the field?

      “Take the Red Pill, Charlie Brown!”

      And, as for what the Red Pill looks like, at least in part, TOQ’s O’Meara did an excellent piece called “The Sword,” which I highly recommend placing here.

      “Take the RED Pill, Charlie Brown!”

      VNN’s Curt O’Brian:
      You DO know the goal is to have white men hunted and destroyed while giving blond white women away as trophies?

    38. Adam Says:

      Nord Says:

      Note Adam being smart here: “And anyway, isn’t the author’s idea to make white people MORE like Jews in every way, with their own racial religion, and their own whites-only Israel? How then is this mimicking of the Jew supposed to be removing Jewish thinking?”

      Clever, isn’t it? If you want to separate from Jews and non-Whites, then you are acting like a Jew! Nya nya! Adam is using the Jewish technique of distorting your arguments and using them against you. Doesn’t work in a medium where people can talk back, though. Too bad Adam that you don’t have a column in a newspaper to write nonsense from.

      Heh. “Nya nya!” and, “It’s not Jewish when WE do it!” Very mature, Nord.

      However, let’s look past the immaturity of this attack to the underlying issue, which is the technique of racial collectivization that the Jew has used to such good effect. I should give credit where it’s due: It’s Dr. MacDonald’s idea, not my own, that the Jews are more inclined to ethnocentric behavior and to racial collectivism as a matter of their genetics. He details this in the first part of The Culture of Critique, if anyone here has a copy of that book and would like more information. I concur with him and think that the evidence supports this conclusion. This is not to say that whites CAN’T join together and form racial collectives, but merely that it comes less naturally to them. Because of their predisposition to individualism, which is also genetically based, we could predict that among them such collectives are more difficult to form, would be more inept in their execution, and would be more prone to fall apart due to either external or internal pressures. History confirms this prediction. Whites have never, in all history, been racially unified. By contrast, although they have had their internal squabbles, so far as we know the Jews have always been racially unified. The examples of Nazism, or Mormonism, which it seems at first might be raised in opposition to this, merely confirm the point. Both movements were ultimately crushed by other whites, operating both from within their movements via subversion, and externally via attacks both physical and economic.

      So I am not saying that whites never racially collectivize, or can’t racially collectivize, but merely that the evidence shows that Jews have incorporated this technique at the genetic level, and whites have not. Consequently, they are better at it. In order to racially collectivize with the same level of effectiveness shown by the Jews, whites would have to modify their genetics.

      A comparison might be made with running. Looking at the results from the Olympics, as Steve Sailer does here:

      http://www.vdare.com/sailer/olympics_race.htm

      we can conclude that niggers have genetic advantages in certain track events. Whites do not become more like niggers merely by running, but in order to run with the same level of effectiveness, they would have to modify their genetics. Just trying harder isn’t likely to work. There’s no reason to think that white Olympic sprinters haven’t been trying as hard as they can already.

      The problem so-called racists such as Nord and Mrs. Covington have is that they just don’t understand biology. They don’t take genetic differences between the races seriously, and think that everything is a matter of environment, or just trying harder or using different techniques. At bottom, they are egalitarians, like the Jews whose techniques they try to use whenever they can. By advocating whites simply try harder to racially collectivize, they prove they don’t really believe whites are a unique race, with its own genetically based strengths and weaknesses. But the scientific point of view is that whites trying harder to racially collectivize will only result in another failure. Of course, if Nord and Rabbi Covington are actually saboteurs, that’s what they want.

    39. Adam Says:

      Tim McGreen Says:

      Many rich White people seem to be just as hostile to the White race as the Jews are. They are loyal to their class, not to their race and it’s always been thus. I never hear of any well-to-do White people ever contributing any money, time or effort to help out a fellow White man who was down on his luck and could’ve used a break. No, too busy playing golf with their Jew business partner or their Jew father-in-law, I suppose.

      It’s not just a race-war we’re fighting, it’s also a class war. Don’t let those rich White pigs off the hook so easily. They too have a lot to answer for.

      Although they might give their lives to preserve their own wealth, I doubt that rich whites would be any more willing to die for their class than their race. They are expressing their genetically based white tendency toward individualism, and are more interested in their own personal fortunes than they are in the fortunes of either their race OR their class. We can see from this how little white genetics have changed since Thomas Jefferson’s day.

    40. Tom McReen Says:

      “It’s not just a race-war we’re fighting, it’s also a class war. Don’t let those rich White pigs off the hook so easily.”

      What do you propose? Climbing in through the bathroom window and slaughtering the political piggies, smearing messages in blood on the walls?

      Did you ever leave the 1960s, Charlie?

    41. New America Says:

      A quick comment concerning “class,” and Race:

      The phrase, “From shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations,” has been a part of American lore for centuries.

      Simply stated, the first generation, working in their worker’s clothes – shirtsleeves – developed a mindset that allowed them to accumulate “wealth,” as defined at that place and time.

      The second generation didn’t develop the same mindset, and rested on its laurels.

      Competition forced them to consume the capital their parents had developed, rather than enhancing the capital stocks.

      The third generation inherited what was left – nothing – and went to work in their shirtsleeves.

      This rule has worked very well, and the Elite worked to counter it with wealth preserving and controlling mechanisms that are virtually invisible to the people who still work in their shirtsleeves, involving an area of law called estates and trusts.

      Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr, worked incessantly to insure that his children developed the same mindset he did, and I think he succeeded with Joe, Jr. – the son he chose to groom for the Presidency.

      Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr. set up a complex series of trusts that insure that his degenerate, wastrel, jumped-up White Trash Posterity would never have to work a day in their lives.

      These trusts are safely away from the public view, and will remain so.

      Tying this back to the topic of the thread, the issue is, let’s address the issue of “Class” in light of Harold Covington’s Northwest Republic Analytical Framework – a White Homeland, for change we CAN believe in.

      The term “class” is generally defined as socioeconomic level; people with a certain amount of money are automatically seen as being of a higher “class” than the rest of us.

      The larger definition of “class” has to do with the values that lead to the formation of “wealth,” which is not necessarily the same thing as “money.”

      In a Northwest Republic, ideally, virtually all Citizens would be of roughly the same “class” in terms of sharing the same values, and those values would favor the development and enhancement of a greater economic system, and a more sophisticated system of Culture.

      It would be inherently meritorious, with a focus on flat taxes, and taxes to limit negative externalities, such as damage to the environment.

      This is why issues of “class” strife in America represent one solution to the issues of class/cultural stratification, and also trap one in seeing “wealth” as a thing in its own right, rather than an accumulation in an ONGOING flow of resources.

      I have found that Jack London had it right – the rich look out for themselves first, foremost, forever – yet nothing – NOTHING – they do stops us from developing capital, particularly human capital, in our own right.

      We must start where we are, and be what we want the world to become.

      Above all, we must always strive to be better than we were, and much better than those who surround us.

      THAT is Aryan, and THAT is what is needed for the Living Foundation of the White Nation.

      We can do no more, and we owe our Posterity no less.

      VNN’s Curt O’Brian:
      You DO know the goal is to have white men hunted and destroyed while giving blond white women away as trophies?

    42. Adam Says:

      Adam Says:

      Unless there is a WN scientist working on a virus that would only affect non-whites, or some crafty genetic engineering and an even craftier way of delivering it, but somehow I doubt it.

      There are probably a lot of scientists working on race-based weapons, and there will be many more in the future. The progress of the technological system will demand it. Furthermore, it’s important to understand that whites must master the techniques of genetic engineering and nanotechnology or they will most likely be destroyed by them. The re-engineering of white people’s DNA according to the demands of the global technological system is likely inevitable unless it is itself destroyed before it can act.

      Yes, research goes on. Who knows what this guy was really up to?

      http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=7022822

    43. Adam Says:

      Here’s something educational for all of the Jew wannabes here who can’t seem to get it through their heads that racial differences are genetic. The way that the white race abjures cannibalism is one thing that differentiates whites from all other races. Can anyone, even a Jew wannabe as perverse as Mrs. Covington, envision white soldiers acting like this?

      http://www.independent.ie/world-news/africa/we-cant-abandon-africa-to-cannibalism-and-genocide-1891556.html

    44. GT Says:

      Sorry to break it to you, boys, but white homo economicus is as guilty as the jews in bringing the third world to North America.

    45. Tim McGreen Says:

      Tom McReen Says:

      20 September, 2009 at 6:05 pm

      “It’s not just a race-war we’re fighting, it’s also a class war. Don’t let those rich White pigs off the hook so easily.”

      What do you propose? Climbing in through the bathroom window and slaughtering the political piggies, smearing messages in blood on the walls?

      Did you ever leave the 1960s, Charlie?

      *****************************************************

      How big is YOUR bathroom window, McReen? Big enough, say, for someone to silently climb through it while holding a length of piano wire, while you’re dozed off in your filthy boxer shorts and yellow-stained undershirt in front of the TV, with empty beer cans and empty bags of pork-rinds strewn all over the place? But I guess stepping on all those cockroaches scurrying about on your dirty linoleum floor would wake you up, wouldn’t it?

    46. Curt O'brian Says:

      Yeah well there’s the gay voice again threatening personal violence. I think you said some veiled cry out in the wildness thing about “crushing a skull” a month ago parasfeal and the ten other names you and your team of Jews post under. Some are smart some are dumb… Some are educated some sound like high school boys….

      Now you’re saying what to this Tom guy?

      You’re not very nice to him.

      If you hadn’t thrown away your masculine identity by pursuing being raped, that’s what being gay is right (?), you wouldn’t be so trapped in your world Jewish view? Seriously, who’s fault is your life? Any stranger around here?

      What would happen if everybody in the world believed you were fine and being a male gay was wonderful? The whole center of gay culture would fall away and you be sitting there wondering why you couldn’t enjoy the company of a beautiful woman but had to have ex cons subordinate you in gas station bathrooms.

      You’re lucky people like Tom are around you know? Think about it.

      You definitely don’t want to kill him.

      There’s also that jewish conceit that YOU are sophisticated and this Tom must be a hick. LOL! It is the opposite and I have to believe that every Jewish boy sees the primitive actions of their fathers and uncles and fears that to be the truth. It’s like a recording of “My Favorite Things” to hear a jew talk about their sophistication.

      Laughable. The Jews ARE good at comedy.

    47. Tim McGreen Says:

      Curt, you couldn’t you at least TRY to be sober when you post here? Now, crawl back into your cardboard box under the bridge and sleep it off. Tomorrow’s another day………