6 September, 2009

The Morality of Majority Rights and Interests

Posted by Socrates in jewed culture, Kevin MacDonald, Socrates at 10:57 am | Permanent Link

by Dr. Kevin MacDonald.

[…]

“This is one of the first things that struck me about Jewish political and intellectual rhetoric — that they managed to create a culture of critique in which only Whites had a moral obligation to disappear as a racial/ethnic entity while minority cultures such as their own were encouraged to hold on to their traditions and group cohesiveness.”

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  7. 10 Responses to “The Morality of Majority Rights and Interests”

    1. Bryan Lynds Says:

      MacDonald is hoping for a response from White America but their only response has been to increase support for the GOP who believe America exists for every race thereby the anti-Obama reaction will end in failure.

    2. Tom McReen Says:

      “This is one of the first things that struck me about Jewish political and intellectual rhetoric — that they managed to create a culture of critique in which only Whites had a moral obligation to disappear as a racial/ethnic entity while minority cultures such as their own were encouraged to hold on to their traditions and group cohesiveness.”

      Perfect description of the problem – the vast majority of White people are completely ignorant of this. What would they do if they knew? Sometime I’m not convinced they would do anything even if they were given the truth, except maybe call you an ‘nazi anti-semite’ or chicken out with the ‘zionists, not the good jews’ nonsense.

      It’s our duty to inform them but don’t expect miracles. We have to educate them AND lead the way. There’s not much time left so perhaps it’s time for more leading, whatever that entails.

    3. -jc Says:

      MacDonald: “The fact that this White anger will probably benefit Republicans scarcely gives one confidence that it will have a positive long term result.”

      Linder: http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/?p=5748

    4. Adam Says:

      From the article:

      In individualist cultures, on the other hand, organizations include nonfamily members in positions of trust. Morality is defined in terms of universal moral principles that are independent of kinship connections or group membership. Trust therefore is of critical importance to individualist society.

      So in other words, this is what has been characteristic of white culture up to now. MacDonald sees it as good, and worth preserving.

      Yet, three paragraphs later he says:

      Whites must jettison the ideal of moral universalism and ask what is good for the future of Whites.

      We have to seek a world in which Whites attempting to atone for their personal transgressions would seek moral legitimacy by working even harder on behalf of their own people.

      So whites are to preserve their own cultural forms, and the genetics that underlie them, by abandoning them? They are to preserve the individualism that made their cultures great by abandoning it, and adopting a Jew-like collectivism, perhaps even seeking their own whites-only Israel?

      Attempting to preserve the white race by turning it into a white version of Jewry is the deep contradiction at the heart of MacDonald’s form of white advocacy. If cultural change does indeed drive changes in the genetics of race, as he theorizes, then he is in effect endorsing the destruction of the very thing he’s trying to preserve.

      If racial genetics determines anything about this kind of behavior, and the evidence shows that it does, then these corollaries would seem to follow:

      1. Whites, given their current individualist cultures, which flow from their underlying genetics, are poorly adapted to express the racially collectivist behavior typical of Jews and other non-whites.

      2. If the first corollary is true, then the white race as currently constituted will never be able to collectively defend either its cultural uniqueness or its own genetic structure. It perhaps could defend itself, IF it could change its underlying genetics enough to become collectivist like the Jews.

      3. This genetic change could happen gradually through racial mixing, and be reflected in slow changes in the culture. As whites become more racially collectivist, their genetics will change to be more like that of non-whites, especially the Jews, whose racial genetics have been eugenically shaped over the course of thousands of years to make them experts at this game.

      4. The only whites to be saved in this way will be whites who have genetics pre-disposed to racial collectivism. These future racially collectivist “whites” will mostly likely have substantial non-white ancestry, very probably Jewish ancestry. The individualist genotype unique to the white race will die out, since it is poorly adapted to survive. The survivors will be a white version of Jewry: white Jews.

      5. If all of this is true, the the white race as it currently exists needs to be saved from its so-called friends as much as it does from its enemies. It is doomed to destruction if either gets their way.

    5. Tim McGreen Says:

      With a Senator like the “Duke of Chapaquiddick”, is it any wonder the rest of the country hates Asshole-chusetts? I don’t think there is another state, not even Texas or Louisiana, that would have allowed one of its most prominent political figures to get away with vehicular manslaughter. And of course the reason Kennedy co-sponsored the 1965 Immigration Reform Act was to help make it easier for Mud invaders to come here and vote as Democrats. All those Kennedys are bad news, but Teddy was the worst.

      And I don’t want to seem unkind, but that photo of “Anglo Saxon” Ralph Bourne was not exactly flattering. He looks like a specimen from “Der Ewinge Jude”.

    6. New America Says:

      in reply to Adam Dorothy:

      Thanks for introducing us to social network hijacking – “socialjacking,” as one wit put it.

      I see you are up to your junior college poli-sci major habits with your sad and pathetic attempts at further developing your culture of critique.

      In the spirit of, not merely “critique,” but constructive criticism, I will address your current missive.

      Adam Dorothy wrote:

      From the article:

      (Dr. Kevin MacDonald wrote)
      In individualist cultures, on the other hand, organizations include nonfamily members in positions of trust. Morality is defined in terms of universal moral principles that are independent of kinship connections or group membership. Trust therefore is of critical importance to individualist society.

      you replied:

      So in other words, this is what has been characteristic of white culture up to now. MacDonald sees it as good, and worth preserving.

      Yet, three paragraphs later he says:

      Whites must jettison the ideal of moral universalism and ask what is good for the future of Whites.

      We have to seek a world in which Whites attempting to atone for their personal transgressions would seek moral legitimacy by working even harder on behalf of their own people.

      So whites are to preserve their own cultural forms, and the genetics that underlie them, by abandoning them?

      in reply:
      Dr. MacDonald does not say that, and he does not imply it.

      What we do is work constructively to limit our weaknesses, and play to our strengths.

      These are NOT necessarily mutually exclusive, particularly in this case.

      What we need to do is simply modify our behavior, which, in time, may well become embedded in our new genetic code.

      In the meanwhile, simply be aware that behaviors that worked for us in cold, hostile climates simply are not effective behaviors against the Levantine parasites, whose entire world-view is based on the absolute primacy of the Race of Jews, over the individual Jew.

      Keep those straw men away from the Light of Truth.

      “It burnses them,” you know.

      you wrote:

      They are to preserve the individualism that made their cultures great by abandoning it, and adopting a Jew-like collectivism, perhaps even seeking their own whites-only Israel?

      in reply:
      *sigh*

      I see you brought your usual straw men along.

      It’s like bringing knives to a gunfight, but…

      NO ONE, particularly Dr. MacDonald, is remotely saying any such thing.

      “Abandon” our genetic heritage?

      NO ONE is claiming any such thing.

      However, leaving The Truth behind us…

      you wrote:

      Attempting to preserve the white race by turning it into a white version of Jewry is the deep contradiction at the heart of MacDonald’s form of white advocacy. If cultural change does indeed drive changes in the genetics of race, as he theorizes, then he is in effect endorsing the destruction of the very thing he’s trying to preserve.

      in reply:
      Nice try, but, once again, wrong, and dumb.

      The mechanisms for epigentic inheritance would – MUST, by definition – block any such pattern from making it into the genome.

      That having been said, once again, what you are saying Dr. MacDonald said is NOT what Dr. MacDonald said.

      you wrote:

      If racial genetics determines anything about this kind of behavior, and the evidence shows that it does, then these corollaries would seem to follow:

      1. Whites, given their current individualist cultures, which flow from their underlying genetics, are poorly adapted to express the racially collectivist behavior typical of Jews and other non-whites.

      in reply:
      Not at all.

      They adapted quite well, when they realized that the Parasite posed a clear and present danger.

      The mechanism of epigentic inheritance take much more than one generation to manifest in our genome.

      Yet, for an example that proves you wrong – and they are very easy to develop – the exposure of Germany to the formerly Russian Jews took place in the blink of an eye, genetically speaking.

      Yet, this was enough time for the German people (the bearers of White Civilization – but I repeat myself – Christian Western Civilization – to totally organize, unite, and simply neutralize the parasite between the Germany of what the Jews referred to as The Golden Twenties, to the NSDAP Cultural Moment, all in MUCH less than one generation.

      So, it CAN be done, and quite easily, once WE put our Minds to it.

      you wrote:

      2. If the first corollary is true, then the white race as currently constituted will never be able to collectively defend either its cultural uniqueness or its own genetic structure. It perhaps could defend itself, IF it could change its underlying genetics enough to become collectivist like the Jews.

      in reply:
      The first corollary is NOT true – see above, or actually read Dr. MacDonald’s essay again.

      The example of how quickly the German people made the Cultural defensive switch – from Weimar, as passive victoms of the Jews, to the NSDAP Cultural Moment, where the Jews were neutralized – serves as an inspiring example to us all, as well as an example of why your thesis is, well, wrong.

      you wrote:

      3. This genetic change could happen gradually through racial mixing, and be reflected in slow changes in the culture. As whites become more racially collectivist, their genetics will change to be more like that of non-whites, especially the Jews, whose racial genetics have been eugenically shaped over the course of thousands of years to make them experts at this game.

      in reply:
      The Culture of Western Civilization allows it to adapt to SERVE the Race well before genetic adaptation becomes even possible, much less practical, much much less necessary.

      you wrote:

      4. The only whites to be saved in this way will be whites who have genetics pre-disposed to racial collectivism. These future racially collectivist “whites” will mostly likely have substantial non-white ancestry, very probably Jewish ancestry. The individualist genotype unique to the white race will die out, since it is poorly adapted to survive. The survivors will be a white version of Jewry: white Jews.

      in reply:
      The example of the NSDAP Cultural Moment, where the German people turned on a dime from being passive victims, to active warriors – particularly cultural warriors – easily disproves your trite ramblings.

      you wrote:

      5. If all of this is true, the the white race as it currently exists needs to be saved from its so-called friends as much as it does from its enemies. It is doomed to destruction if either gets their way.

      in reply:
      Well, in a nutshell, there it is!

      Your statement, “If all of this is true…,” is neutralized from it’s beginning.

      You see, it is NOT “true.”

      I must admit, your attempt to socialjack an essay by Dr. MacDonald to put forward your junior college (mis)understanding of political science, philosophy – particulary dead French philosophers – and your Deleuzeional ignorance of genetics, and the mechanisms of genetic inheritance, is very much what we would expect from someone whose genes seem to lend themselves very well to a Culture of Critique.

      MY genetic inheritance lends itself well to a Culture of Constructive Criticism.

      And, of course, for The Way Forward, four VERY constructive words:

      Harold Covington.

      Northwest Republic.

      VNN’s Curt O’Brian:
      You do know the goal is to have white men hunted and destroyed while giving blond white women away as trophies?

    7. New America Says:

      in reply to Tom McReen:

      you wrote:

      “This is one of the first things that struck me about Jewish political and intellectual rhetoric — that they managed to create a culture of critique in which only Whites had a moral obligation to disappear as a racial/ethnic entity while minority cultures such as their own were encouraged to hold on to their traditions and group cohesiveness.”

      Perfect description of the problem – the vast majority of White people are completely ignorant of this. What would they do if they knew? Sometime I’m not convinced they would do anything even if they were given the truth, except maybe call you an ‘nazi anti-semite’ or chicken out with the ‘zionists, not the good jews’ nonsense.

      It’s our duty to inform them but don’t expect miracles. We have to educate them AND lead the way. There’s not much time left so perhaps it’s time for more leading, whatever that entails.

      in reply:
      I find that it is useful to reduce the point you are trying to make to as few words as possible, and, in light of the lateness of the hour, as hard-hitting as possible.

      I borrow from Bob Whitaker, who is a political genius, for a formulation that I have used in such discussions:

      “When they say “RACIST,’ they mean WHITE.”

      Good, solid, mule kick to the head, that one!

      Thanks for a good summary of Dr. MacDonald’s article, and, more importantly, focusing on what we can DO about it.

      VNN’s Curt O’Brian:
      You do know the goal is to have white men hunted and destroyed while giving blond white women away as trophies?

    8. Adam Says:

      I should add to my comment above that the events of WWII were a conclusive demonstration of my first corollary. In the usual accounts of the history of that era, WWII was the result of careful racial planning on the part of the Jews, and a complete failure to look out after its own interests on the part of the white race. Indeed, in stark contrast to the Jews, white racial solidarity could barely have been said to exist in those years; even the spark of it shown by the Nazis was mostly nationalist, not racist. The genetic predisposition towards individualism in the white race won out, its collective racial interests were forgotten, and a devastating global racial civil war was the result.

      The events of the Second World War underscore the great difference between the races. With their much greater ethnocentrism – hard-wired in their genetics, according to MacDonald – it is difficult to imagine the Jews acting against their own collective racial interests in such a way. An exactly analogous situation would arise if the rest of world Jewry residing outside of Israel were to decide to ally with the Palestinians, Iranians, and Arabs to make genocidal war on the Jewish state in order to stop a perceived “threat” of Israel conquering the world, leaving it a smoking ruin with millions of Israeli Jews dead. Inconceivable! The earth would have to spin backwards on its axis, and water flow uphill, before such a thing would happen.

    9. Tom McReen Says:

      “I find that it is useful to reduce the point you are trying to make to as few words as possible, and, in light of the lateness of the hour, as hard-hitting as possible. I borrow from Bob Whitaker, who is a political genius, for a formulation that I have used in such discussions:

      “When they say “RACIST,’ they mean WHITE.”

      You’re absolutely right and I have used that one in the past. WNs should use it more, myself included.

    10. Adam Says:

      From the article:

      This is one of the first things that struck me about Jewish political and intellectual rhetoric — that they managed to create a culture of critique in which only Whites had a moral obligation to disappear as a racial/ethnic entity while minority cultures such as their own were encouraged to hold on to their traditions and group cohesiveness.

      Whites seeing themselves as having a moral obligation to better the lot of other races is something that predates what MacDonald calls the culture of critique. For example, it was this same spirit that motivated the Abolitionists, and provided the moral justification for the bloodiest war in American history. Or consider Rudyard Kipling’s poem “The White Man’s Burden”, published in 1899:

      Take up the White Man’s burden–
      Send forth the best ye breed–
      Go bind your sons to exile
      To serve your captives’ need;
      To wait in heavy harness,
      On fluttered folk and wild–
      Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
      Half-devil and half-child.

      Take up the White Man’s burden–
      In patience to abide,
      To veil the threat of terror
      And check the show of pride;
      By open speech and simple,
      An hundred times made plain
      To seek another’s profit,
      And work another’s gain.

      Take up the White Man’s burden–
      The savage wars of peace–
      Fill full the mouth of Famine
      And bid the sickness cease;
      And when your goal is nearest
      The end for others sought,
      Watch sloth and heathen Folly
      Bring all your hopes to nought.

      Take up the White Man’s burden–
      No tawdry rule of kings,
      But toil of serf and sweeper–
      The tale of common things.
      The ports ye shall not enter,
      The roads ye shall not tread,
      Go mark them with your living,
      And mark them with your dead.

      Take up the White Man’s burden–
      And reap his old reward:
      The blame of those ye better,
      The hate of those ye guard–
      The cry of hosts ye humour
      (Ah, slowly!) toward the light:–
      “Why brought he us from bondage,
      Our loved Egyptian night?”

      Take up the White Man’s burden–
      Ye dare not stoop to less–
      Nor call too loud on Freedom
      To cloke your weariness;
      By all ye cry or whisper,
      By all ye leave or do,
      The silent, sullen peoples
      Shall weigh your gods and you.

      Take up the White Man’s burden–
      Have done with childish days–
      The lightly proferred laurel,
      The easy, ungrudged praise.
      Comes now, to search your manhood
      Through all the thankless years
      Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom,
      The judgment of your peers!

      Although we white racists may not always approve of its targets, the capability for altruistic self-sacrifice is part of who we are as white people. The Jews, by contrast, are a wholly selfish race, a race of psychopaths. It would never even occur to a Jew that he ought to sacrifice himself for another Jew, let alone that the Jewish race should sacrifice itself for another. Our white genetics are quite different. Just look around you, and see how many whites would literally rather die than be considered racist. Short of changing our genetics to become more like Jews, how then to fight back?

      It was the growth of the global technological system that brought the Jew into our societies, the same system that gives them power over us. Destruction of that system will eliminate that power, eject them, and free us.