13 December, 2009

Open Thread

Posted by alex in Alex Linder at 8:21 pm | Permanent Link

Post whatever you like in this thread: attacks on others, news stories, original shitty poetry, links to pictures of  particularly sexy hellbenders, I don’t care.

Our new policy is instituted. Thanks to WP’s somewhat improving its shitty editing ability, I can skim through comments quickly and eliminate the undesirables. So if your post doesn’t advance discussion, if it’s mostly an attack on someone else, into the trash it goes, lickety-split.


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  7. 180 Responses to “Open Thread”

    1. Varg Says:

      http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n114/corsiphoto/photos-part2/hellbenderphoto_jhumphries21.jpg

      is this a sexy hellbender? :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellbender

    2. alex Says:

      that’s not a bad one…

      …but this one really has it goin’ ON!

      http://files0.fluxstatic.com/00A5BDB80182C7B800073EFBFFFF/633636474101196271

    3. Kuda Bux Says:

      How to Suck Your Own Penis

      How many times have you looked at a dog licking his private parts and thought, “Hmm, if only I could do that”? You’re not alone. Rest assured that most, if not all men have thought the exact same thing. Some have even attempted it. But despite the interest, few men discuss the act of autofellatio, or self-sucking. So here’s a guide to tell you everything you want to know about the art of solo sucking.

      Because They Can
      Some people, especially women, may wonder why guys would want to give themselves a BJ. The answer is pretty simple – it’s the same reason why dogs lick themselves down there…because they can. A self-service blowjob is just like masturbation, only better. You get all the stimulation of a hot, wet mouth, but you get it just the way you like it. On the downside, there are no surprises, and self-sucking may kind of be like trying to tickle yourself…but on the upside, there are no bad surprises, like scraping teeth or sloppy technique. Additionally, a lot of guys get turned on by ejaculating on themselves and even swallowing their own cum. Self-sucking gives you the most efficient delivery method if you’re into eating your own.

      You’ve Got to Flex It
      In order to suck yourself off, you need to have one of two things (preferably both): a very flexible spine, or a very long dick. Having a longer penis obviously makes self-sucking easier by decreasing the distance from your cock head to your mouth, so the longer your dick, the less you have to bend. However, since penis length is something you either have or don’t, we’ll concentrate on what you can do to increase your spinal flexibility.

      Fortunately, in order to self-suck, you don’t have to have an enormous cock. Many guys who are just average sized (5 to 6 inches hard) can do it. Unless you were born double-jointed or have been practicing yoga for the last 10 years, it will probably take some time and practice to get your dick and your mouth to meet up. Other prerequisites are overall health of your back and neck. If you have a slipped disk, misaligned vertebrae, or any other chronic back problem, we don’t advise attempting autofellatio. Even those with healthy and normal backs need to exercise caution and not push themselves when self-sucking to avoid back injuries. Besides a bad back, having a huge gut is another impediment to self-sucking. You can probably work around a small beer belly, but if you have a major overhang, it’s going to get in the way and block you from your goal. So, if you’re not quite in shape, start reaching for your toes and crunching those abs.

      Get in Position

      The easiest and probably most effective position for autofellatio is lying on your back. You’ll probably want to use a bed, sofa, or other cushioned surface for comfort, although practicing on a carpeted floor can sometimes give you better leverage. You should have a wall or a headboard nearby to brace your feet against. Lie down (naked, of course) with the top of your head at least a foot from the wall. Pull your legs up and roll back onto your shoulders, raising your legs over your head. Brace your feet on the wall and “walk” your way down until your crotch is close to your face. Lift your head up if necessary to get closer. If your back feels tight, don’t strain to reach your cock, even if it’s tantalizingly close. Just let your muscles stretch. You may want to use one hand to pull your cock closer. Suck what you can, if you can – otherwise, just wank and keep practicing.

      A variation on this position is the gravity-assisted method, where you simply lie back, throw your legs up over your head, and let gravity pull them down. To help out, you can hook one or both arms behind your knees and pull towards you. Don’t pull too hard or strain yourself. With both of these positions, be careful about putting too much pressure on your neck or pulling on it too hard.

      If you can get your mouth around your cock head, you’re doing great. Just use your tongue and lips to stimulate yourself. The cock head is the most sensitive part of your dick anyway. If you are able to get your mouth around a significant portion of your cock, you can either move your head up and down to get a sucking rhythm going, or flex your legs and back to move your lower body up and down. Probably you will want to alternate these to avoid fatiguing your neck or back.

      The seated position is another good one for autofellatio beginners. Simply sit on the edge of a chair, couch, or bed, and bend down towards your dick, curving your back. Be sure you suck in your gut to get it out of the way. Grab onto the edge of whatever you’re sitting on and use it to pull yourself further down. Or hook an arm under your knees and pull up. You may want to keep one hand on your dick to steady it, or to pull it upwards towards your mouth. In this position you need to use a bobbing motion of your head or upper body to go down on yourself. Again, don’t strain your back or neck or move too suddenly.

      Tantric Yoga for One
      If you’re already really flexible, or you’ve mastered the basic positions and are ready to move on, you can try a more advanced posture. In the lying position, place your knees on either side of your head and see how far down you can lower your crotch. Some guys are so limber they can get their balls in their mouths. Those with really flexible hip joints can attempt the human pretzel maneuver, where you put your feet up over your head and essentially fold yourself in half, then lock your legs into position by crossing your feet behind your head.

      Standing positions are also more challenging. Start by leaning your back against a wall for support and doubling over. You can clasp your hands behind your thighs and pull down to get yourself closer. As you get more flexible and improve your balance, stand away from the wall and reach down and grasp your calves for stability.

      Taking yoga classes or practicing yoga at home is actually a good idea for improving your mobility and range of motion for self-sucking. Many yoga postures, such as the plow (lying with your feet extended over your head) lend themselves naturally to autofellatio. Just try not to think about it too much during yoga class so you don’t pop a boner.

      OK, Now What?
      Once you’ve got your dick in your mouth, what do you do? Even if you don’t have cocksucking experience, we assume most of you won’t have much trouble figuring this one out, but here are some suggestions if you need them. Run the tip of your tongue around the head of your cock, or under your foreskin if you’re uncut. Stick the tip of your tongue in the piss slit. Try licking and tickling the frenulum, which is on the underside of your cock head (the top side, from a self-sucking perspective). Wrap your lips around the cock head and apply suction. Suck in more and pull your cock in past your lips, then pop it in and out. If you’re long enough or limber enough, go ahead and try deep-throating it.

      More Tips
      Self-sucking can be strenuous and physically demanding. Here are other tips to help you get ready and warmed up:

      Stretch before your session; make sure you stretch the muscles of your back, neck, and legs to avoid cramping or pulled muscles.

      Drink plenty of water to keep your muscles hydrated; this also prevents cramping, injuries, and fatigue.

      Make sure your stomach is empty; wait an hour or two after a meal, and empty your bowels if possible. It’ll be more comfortable and your stomach contents won’t get in the way when you double over.

      Don’t strain yourself and stop if you feel any pain.

      Vary positions to avoid putting too much strain or pressure on the same muscles and parts of your spine.

      If At First You Don’t Succeed
      Don’t be disappointed if you can’t get your mouth on your cock the first time you try autofellatio. Self-sucking doesn’t come naturally to everyone. It can take discipline and practice, but as you keep at it, you will become more flexible. If at first you don’t succeed, just wank yourself off and call it good. The next time you’ll get a little closer to your goal. Some statistics say that only 1% of all men can self-suck, but we think that with practice and stretching, most guys should be able to at least make some mouth-to-cock contact, even if it’s only on the tip of the head. If nothing else, practicing self-sucking will make you more flexible and possibly increase your overall well-being. So take it slow, work with what you’ve got, and try to have fun.

      http://www.collegesexadvice.com/suck-dick.shtml

      http://www.dudetubeonline.com/2008/04/28/cm0428a.jpg

    4. Filles du Roi's Boi Says:

      How Limbaugh became Israel’s bitch: http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/how-they-do-it-hoenlein-brought-limbaugh-to-israel-and-mossad-many-years-ago.html

      Limbaugh’s not the worst by far, that honor, imo, goes to the morbidly obese Jim Bohannon, the shabbos goy chosen to replace Larry King when King quit his radio show. One can just imagine Bohannon’s enormous double chin (he’s on the left: http://www.radiohof.org/images/rhof08/6.jpg ) quivering in rage when he attacks Israel’s enemies on his radio show. Bohannon has at various times lamented the internet’s causing the loss of gatekeepers, read jew editors and producers who determime what news stories we mere mortals should be exposed to, and he’s called for more government spies to ensure that the forced integration laws are being obeyed. A real pile of shitlard, he is.

      Michael Harrison, Publisher of TALKERS Magazine, regularly arranges trips to Israel for radio hosts and I’m sure that contributes to the pro-Israel groupthink we hear from so many of them:

      “But whether talk radio, be it left or right, is fair to Israel, is, in fact, very important to Harrison. For the past five years, Harrison and his publication have been shepherding more than 50 talk show hosts to Israel in conjunction with America?s Voices for Israel (AVI), a group founded and presided over by Malcolm Hoenlein, executive vice chair of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations. Harrison, a member of AVI?s board of directors, recently devoted an entire glossy front page of Talkers to these Israel trips. And on one trip, several weeks ago, conducted in conjunction with United Jewish Communities, among the radio personalities traveling with Harrison was Lionel, the uni-monikered host newly hired as Air America?s 9 a.m. mid-morning slot.”

      http://www.muzzlewatch.com/2007/07/25/keeping-talk-radio-pro-israel/

      http://info.jpost.com/C002/Supplements/AmericasVoices/

      These days talk radio does nothing but pump poison into our communities, and I make sure to make that point to everyone I can, whenever I can.

    5. alex Says:

      Auto-fellatio! Wow. A swerve I did not expect. Seems a little more TOQ / SPLC than VNN, but that’s the beauty of an open thread.

      Here’s a paragraph I ran across on the ZOG parasite:

      The percentage of federal workers who make more than $100,000 increased from 14 percent to 19 percent during the first 18 months of the recession, reports USA Today. At a time when millions of people have lost their jobs, many federal workers are living large. And the ones who were already earning more than the average have been doing particularly well. In December 2007, there were 1,868 civilian employees at the Defense Department who earned more than $150,000. Now there are more than 10,100. In the Transportation Department there was one person who earned more than $170,000; now there are 1,690.

    6. New Amerikwan Says:

      Mr. Linder, I think you’ll quickly come to regret allowing this open thread. It’s already off to a very bad start.

      Anyway, I just wanted to thank you for allowing me, New Amerikwan, the chance to let all those Blackshirt Entity types know what I think of them. Do they really think they are going to get anything accomplished by mocking Admiral Covington’s Northwest Imperative? They are in full attack mode, so we will have to remain on Red Alert, like the Starship Enterprsie when it entered the Neutral Zone in Episode 2-18.

      The Blackshirt Entity is extraordinarily clever – Curt O’Brian is right – and has ramped up his attack.

      DO WHAT Harold Covington’s WANT US TO DO – SURRENDER, LIE DOWN, AND PLAY DEAD.

      The Purpose Of Judaism is to clean up this board is up to Linder and Socrates.

      Harold Covington’s Northwest Quartet removes a brave new world

      Take Control Of The racial grave That Is Rightfully Yours.

      And what could that be?

      Eskimos, perhaps.

      Glad you asked

      I could not agree more.

    7. New Amerikwan Says:

      Mr. Linder, I think you’ll quickly come to regret allowing this open thread. It’s already off to a very bad start.

      Anyway, I just wanted to thank you for allowing me, New Amerikwan, the chance to let all those Blackshirt Entity types know what I think of them. Do they really think they are going to get anything accomplished by mocking Admiral Covington’s Northwest Imperative? They are in full attack mode, so we will have to remain on Red Alert, like the Starship Enterprsie when it entered the Neutral Zone in Episode 2-18.

      The Blackshirt Entity is extraordinarily clever – Curt O’Brian is right – and has ramped up his attack.

      DO WHAT Harold Covington’s WANT US TO DO – SURRENDER, LIE DOWN, AND PLAY DEAD.

      The Purpose Of Judaism is to clean up this board is up to Linder and Socrates.

      Harold Covington’s Northwest Quartet removes a brave new world

      Take Control Of The racial grave That Is Rightfully Yours.

      And what could that be?

      Eskimos, perhaps.

      Glad you asked

      I could not agree more.

    8. SCOTTIE_too_hottie Says:

      PROCLAIM THE HOUR BETWEEN 2012-2014
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0v4C8TAcSY
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      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx7FrRiV7Gc
      some ezra pound in the u-tube site have fun……

      SOME WAYS TO HAMMER OUT THE ZOG PROBLEM:
      http://forum.uncoverreality.com/837803-post1.html

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnepropetrovsk_maniacs#The_victim_in_the_video

      : Zbigniew Preisner and Arvo Part etc…..
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byXfy3uWiIk
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZL3POaATn8
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      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-zoCfHypFY
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      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HVE9ALOI3k
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      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMs8IfxSCt4
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    9. Frank Toliver Says:

      That is why you see so many nigger bitches driving new cars. Stupid retards driving machines they could not conceive of in a million years.

    10. Boris Says:

      Alex

      I just listened to your latest interview with Jim Giles, good stuff as always. Sorry to hear about the latest health problems – is it vertigo? It sounds like it might be.

      Anyway I hope you can get back into regular broadcasting soon, health permitting. Goyfire and Radio Istina were – and still are – unbeatable. Jim Giles is doing a great job but I think you’re the best WN broadcaster out there….

    11. Emily Says:

      Permanently ban KudaBux.

    12. Blackshirt Says:

      “So if your post doesn’t advance discussion, if it’s mostly an attack on someone else, into the trash it goes, lickety-split.”

      It will be VERY interesting to see how this is applied. I know some posters who are very clever in hiding their attacks in half-page posts supporting Harold “Tubby” Covington. I wish I had time to hide my responses to attacks in half-page rants, but I have to make a living and exercise to keep fit. Those things require a great deal of my attention and I don’t have all day to answer attacks leveled at me.

      Judging by past moderation efforts we are looking at an unfair and uneven process. Donating money to/brown-nosing Linder and/or Socrates appears to have some influence over the process.

    13. Tim McGreen Says:

      Since this is an open forum, I was just wondering why is it that people give their cats names? It’s not as if they’re going to come when you call them.

    14. Irma Grese Says:

      original shitty poetry

      THAT’S MY QUE!!

      Your uncle is a bar of soap, your cousin is a shoe,

      your best friend is a candle, and you’re a fucking Jew,

      Your neighbors are a landfill, too bad you got away,

      to open up a shitty deli and live another day

      50 years later, you’ve still got an agenda, for world domination, but you’d better remember,

      To when we had the upper hand, Der Fuhrer ruled the land,

      You kikes had fun for a century or two

      until the famous Auschwitz barbecue

      Think of all the friends and family you lost…

      Happy Hanukaust!

      You claim six million, i wish it were true,

      But you’re a pack of lying fucking Jews,

      A holocaust memorial is built on the land where most of your relatives are buried in the sand,

      In bulldozed graves to cover the pollution,

      too bad you weren’t part of the final solution,

      Wearing long sleeves to cover your tattoo,

      will never hide the fact that you’re a dirty Jew,

      Think of all the friends and family you lost…

      Happy Hanukaust!

      Light the menorah and think of the time when you sold out your neighbors for a handful of dimes,

      All those filthy Jews…they must have been pissed,

      They couldn’t buy their way onto Schindler’s list,

      Think of all the friends and family you lost…

      Happy Hanukaust!

      Noy mine, btw, but I LIKE it!

    15. Shyl0ck Says:

      Jared Taylor may be an informant. According to this article in TOO, Taylor’s wife was an informant for the ADL:

      “Zeskind tells the story of Eveyln Rich, a woman who wrote her PhD dissertation on the Klan while supplying information about Klan activities to anti-racist watchdog organizations. Though she “grasped the subject of her inquiry like few others” and was later active in opposing David Duke, “[a]t some point Evelyn Rich must have dropped any scholarly distance she had from white nationalists” because she married Jared Taylor.”
      http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Pyle-Zeskind.html

      Also, call in to Michael Collins Piper and ask him about this. He claims the Taylor’s wife Evelyn Rich is on speakign terms and is friends with Abe Foxman’s wife.

    16. alex Says:

      Judging by past moderation efforts we are looking at an unfair and uneven process. Donating money to/brown-nosing Linder and/or Socrates appears to have some influence over the process.

      That is correct.

      We have three levels of bribery:

      Atheist angels: Donate over 2 MILLION and you have earned the right to thirty-one (31) uncensored comment-posts.

      Godless Genies: Donate over 4 MILLION and you have the right to sixty-two (62) uncensored posts.

      Whales of Wonder: Donate 6 MILLION or more, and you have the right to UNLIMITED uncensored posts, plus the right to to shoot three wild jews on our private game farm. We will throw in a free taxidermy of one jew-head at no charge.

    17. alex Says:

      It will be VERY interesting to see how this is applied.

      Applies this way – I don’t care what name is posted under, will simply rip out anything that is primarily stupid-accusatory and / or chock full of trolly goodness. So, if you’re gonna use your attempted-comment primarily to accuse/rip etc, it’s going to have to be god-damned funny accurate or undeniably brilliantine…or it will be charnel-channeled posthaste.

    18. alex Says:

      Since this is an open forum, I was just wondering why is it that people give their cats names? It’s not as if they’re going to come when you call them.

      Did you purloin that from Steven Wright?

      One thing snake owners have over cat owners: No snake owner ever gushes about having the smartest snake in the world.

    19. Howdy Doody Says:

      Irma Grese Says:

      14 December, 2009 at 1:43 am

      original shitty poetry

      THAT’S MY QUE!!

      Your uncle is a bar of soap, your cousin is a shoe,

      your best friend is a candle, and you’re a fucking Jew,

      Irma, your great! Haa, haaa, you can walk my doggie any time you like.

      Thank you !

    20. Howdy Doody Says:

      Lew Rockwell will be posting and reading here ASAP!

      LOL!

    21. Howdy Doody Says:

      Kuda Bux Says:

      13 December, 2009 at 10:40 pm

      Mr. Dee’s is that you ?

    22. Blackshirt Says:

      Hi Alex, I’m glad to see you are reading this thread and I welcome the opportunity to speak directly to you regarding this forum.

      Since you and I share the same contempt for Conservatives and Christinsanity, why do you allow people/agents such as “Tom McReen” to post in the forum defending those things and disparaging anyone who criticizes useless right wing tactics as Marxists? Why do you allow a Harold Covington shill to post here, knowing as I’m sure you do about Tubby Covington’s history?

      I’d really like to hear your opinion.

    23. alex Says:

      Also, call in to Michael Collins Piper and ask him about this. He claims the Taylor’s wife Evelyn Rich is on speaking terms and is friends with Abe Foxman’s wife.

      As E. Michael Jones says, AmRen is the white version of the NAACP.

    24. alex Says:

      Since you and I share the same contempt for Conservatives and Christinsanity, why do you allow people/agents such as “Tom McReen” to post in the forum defending those things and disparaging anyone who criticizes useless right wing tactics as Marxists? Why do you allow a Harold Covington shill to post here, knowing as I’m sure you do about Tubby Covington’s history?

      I’d really like to hear your opinion.

      They make some good points. Unlike most WN, I have no desire to crush other views out of existence, even if they’re wrong. As long as they’re not telling destructive lies, I’ll tolerate a fair amount of wrong thought.

    25. alex Says:

      Alex

      I just listened to your latest interview with Jim Giles, good stuff as always. Sorry to hear about the latest health problems – is it vertigo? It sounds like it might be.

      Vertigo, hearing loss, arthritis – colitis – all caused by auto-immune disease, which I guess can pretty much attack anything, and which the professionals don’t fully understand, at least enough to stop its effects.

    26. Boris Says:

      I’m sorry to hear that…sounds bad…I hope you can keep it under control at least…

      A question on an unrelated matter:

      If I were to send you a short (100 page) book on the historical evidence for Christ and Christianity, would you read and review it for the benefit of VNN? It’s very easy and straightforward to read – it deals with factual historical evidence, there’s no pie-in-the-sky mythology in it whatsoever.

      I’ve been a religious sceptic for most of my life but this book has really made me sit up and wonder. I guarantee you’ll be able to get through it in an hour or two, at most. And I guarantee it contains no mythical hocus-pocus or multi-culti judeo-crap – so reading it will be a painless experience.

      What do you say? Give me the word and I’ll send it on over. I would be very interestred to hear your comments on it although I realise it’s not the kind of thing you’re normally into….

    27. alex Says:

      I’ll read it if you send it. As it happens, I’m reading a much longer book on exactly the same subject right now. Well, similar subject. The book I’m reading is “Who Wrote the New Testament?” by Burton Mack.

    28. alex Says:

      Here’s what happened to me, just very briefly.

      I was struck by ulcerative colitis in September of 2007. I said it was Crohn’s disease because that’s what the surgeon who performed the colonoscopy said. He then referred me to a GI who determined it was in fact ulcerative colitis. Functionally it’s the same problem, altho Crohn’s can appear anywhere in digestive tract, from mouth to anus, whereas UC is purely in the colon. I have that problem under control to some degree with drugs. Part of it is just getting used to it. The onset is extremely debilitating – it is, after all, a chronic wasting disease. After two years, you begin to know the routine, and figure workarounds.

      What causes it? They don’t know. They class it an auto-immune disease. Well, two years after UC onset, the immune system started attacking my head. I experienced vertigo one night in mid-September this year, 2009. Over the next few days, it got worse, and I began to lose hearing in one ear, as well as my balance and eye focus. Within a month, I was totally deaf in one ear. My other ear has shown indications of going the same way, so I’m hoping I don’t go totally deaf. Essentially my head feels like a moon bounce. I have had the (dry) feeling of being drunk – room spinning, floaty, bouncy feeling – since September. (I drink virtually never.) I have balance problems, stagger some when walking, and have to be extremely careful when driving. Also have had arthritis bouts in one knee. I had an MRI to rule out brain tumor. I’m taking drugs, and a series of steroid shots to try to restore some hearing. Because of these problems, I was able to testify at Bill White’s trial via videoconference, rather than fly out to Roanoke. Luckily my mind has not been affected, altho it gets extremely irritating being perpetually off balance and dry-drunky.

      Two years ago I was perfectly healthy. It changed from one minute to the next. Enjoy your faculties while you have them, is all I can say. I didn’t expect health problems like this until my eighties, but, tough shit, that’s how it goes.

    29. Boris Says:

      OK I’ll send it this week….it may take a little while to get to you, I’m on another continent…

      I hope you have time to post a critique or a least some comments about it on the forum, I would be very interested to read what you have to say.

      I don’t know anything about the Burton Mack book, but from comments on Amazon it sounds like the author is arguing that Christ was a mythical figure (I may be wrong tho). The book I’m talking about is written by an orthodox believer and he argues that Christ was very much a historical figure and that there is solid evidence to back this up.

      Like I say the book is very matter of fact and deals with historical evidence – the author doesn’t rely on a lot of abstraction or airy-fairy speculation. It’s all grounded in historical evidence. Which is what I find so interesting about it…I’m naturally a very sceptical person but reading this book does make me wonder…

    30. alex Says:

      I hope you have time to post a critique or a least some comments about it on the forum, I would be very interested to read what you have to say.

      I’ll definitely make a few comments. May be very brief if I think it’s bs. There are millions of books written by Christians, and most of them are pretty stupid, especially the famous ones like those written by C.S. Lewis. The Christian reaction to getting evidence in its brain is exactly the same as a cat reacting to getting water on its paw.

    31. Sgt. Skull Says:

      I’ll bet a goodly number of the federal workers earning over $100,000.00 are niggers and other minorities. No doubt Obama is taking good care of his fellow shitskins.

      The average Christian prefers to believe untenable myths and fantasies over demonstrable facts. If they had their way we would still be taught the Sun revolves around the earth.

    32. jackumup Says:

      That is why you see so many nigger bitches driving new cars. Stupid retards driving machines they could not conceive of in a million years.

      Cause da guberment pays dem mo moneies fo doen’s nothen jobs, yo

    33. exalted grand-master oberführer double diamond jim! Says:

      an old Aussie “pub band” favourite from the mid-l8-1980s… i’m “Elvisly Yours”! ….. “the Johnnies”

      memories! :-|~

    34. Ken Hallowell Says:

      BUMPER STICKER IDEA:

      (UNDER SYMBOLS OF ABC, NBC, AND CBS)

      The JEWS NEWS, nightly at 11:00pm

    35. Kuda Bux Says:

      Any chance you were poisoned in Knoxville?

    36. Joe 90 Says:

      To the cocksucker: alternatively you could always pay a nappy-headed ho to do the (blow) job!

    37. Tim McGreen Says:

      Wow, Alex Linder, I didn’t know your health problems were that severe! There’s got to be some kind of treatment available somewhere that can at least make things bearable? Maybe the Russians or the Chinese have something that the friggin’ AMA and Big Pharma won’t allow here. Terribly sorry to hear of your situation. I once had vertigo, so I can definately sympathize. You’re right, don’t ever take good health for granted. Don’t ever take anything for granted! I hope your situation improves soon.

      (And to all my detractors, no, I’m not kissing his ass.)

      As far as that book that purports to “prove” the historical existence of Jay-zus is concerned, I can already guess what’s in it…..the dumb passage about Jesus that was supposedly written by Josephus and was clumsily inserted into one of his Histories, the 19th century hoax that purports to be a letter written by Pilate about Jesus, weird 2nd Century drawings on some tomb wall, fragments of papyrus, the fake ossuary that supposedly contained the bones of St. James….all total bullshit.

      There, I just saved you 45 minutes that you would otherwise have spent reading a stupid book about an imaginary story-book character. You’re welcome.

      PS…. Thanks for this website.

    38. Tim McGreen Says:

      Since this is an open forum, I was just wondering why is it that people give their cats names? It’s not as if they’re going to come when you call them.

      Did you purloin that from Steven Wright?

      ………………………………………

      No, sir, although I do like his weird observational humor. I especially like one observation of his: why is there no such size as “extra medium”? I always ask for that size when shopping at Target.

    39. Davey Sockett Says:

      The Bible says there is only one way to Heaven

      Jesus said: “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me.” (John 14:6)

      Good works cannot save you.

      “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9)
      Trust Jesus Christ today! Here’s what you must do:

      1. Admit you are a sinner.

      “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” (Romans 3:23)

      “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:” (Romans 5:12)

      “If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.” (1 John 1:10)
      2. Be willing to turn from sin (repent).

      Jesus said: “I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.” (Luke 13:5)

      “And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:” (Acts 17:30)
      3. Believe that Jesus Christ died for you, was buried, and rose from the dead.

      “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16)

      “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners. Christ died for us.” (Romans 5:8)

      “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” (Romans 10:9)
      4. Through prayer, invite Jesus into your life to become your personal Saviour.

      “For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” (Romans 10:10)

      “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” (Romans 10:13)

      What to pray:

      Dear God, I am a sinner and need forgiveness. I believe that Jesus Christ shed His precious blood and died for my sin. I am willing to turn from sin. I now invite Christ to come into my heart and life as my personal Saviour.

      “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:” (John 1:12)

      “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.” (2 Corinthians 5:17)

      If you have received Jesus Christ as your Saviour, as a Christian you should:

      1. Read your Bible every day to get to know Christ better.

      “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15)

      “Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.” (Psalms 119:105)
      2. Talk to God in prayer every day.

      “And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.” (Matthew 21:22)

      “Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.” (Philippians 4:6)
      3. Be baptized, worship, fellowship, and serve with other Christians in a church where Christ is preached and the Bible is the final authority.

      “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” (Matthew 28:19)

      “Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.” (Hebrews 10:25)

      “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” (2 Timothy 3:16)
      4. Tell others about Christ.

      “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.” (Mark 16:15)

      “For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!” (1 Corinthians 9:16)

      “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.” (Romans 1:16)

    40. Blackshirt Says:

      Jesus (if he existed) was a Jew. Enough said. If you worship him, you are worshiping a Jew.

      The bible is Jewish fantasy, both testaments. For a WN to quote from the bible as an authority is the same as using the talmud to justify anything. Itz all Jewish.

      White people need to be weened off the Jewish tit, a good start is getting rid of Christ-insanity.

    41. Tom McReen Says:

      “White people need to be weened off the Jewish tit, a good start is getting rid of Christ-insanity.”

      You’re not pro-White, that has been clearly established, so what you think is irrelevent.

      “Since you and I share the same contempt for Conservatives and Christinsanity, why do you allow people/agents such as “Tom McReen”

      As you know despite lying like a kike, I am no Conservative. Nor have I said I am a committed Christian. So why invoke my name in that context? Oh that’s right, you lie like a marxist kike.

      Your efforts to suck up to the forum bosses amuse me.

    42. Hoosier Says:

      A Christmas tune:

      http://tinyurl.com/ybb7yqp

      Nice looking women.

    43. Blackshirt Says:

      Since this is a open forum thread, I have something very important to say to you, agent “Tom McReen”. The management may be protecting you and allowing you to troll this forum, but I see you clearly for what you are.

      Fuck you, “Tom McReen”. You accuse me of being a “kike” when you are the one who is the major disruption here, an obvious agent sent to keep us White racists running in circles and pursuing useless right wing tactics that go nowhere. Your above post is a good example of what you do. First I post my opinion on something, in this case Christinsanity, and I don’t mention you at all. Then, you launch a personal attack on me accusing me of being a Jew because I am exposing Jewish Christianity. It’s all so clear, there is no argument about what you are and what your mission is here. I fucking hate you McReen, I really do. If I had the opportunity to smash your face in (that is if you were/are one person) I would until you were completely disfigured and near death. Then I would break every one of your bones just for fun. And all of that would just be for calling me a kike. Perhaps I’d keep you conscious for long enough to rip your fingernails out, one by one.

    44. Tom McReen Says:

      “…the US had a large military presence in Saudi Arabia up until 9/11…Therefore, it’s hardly surprising that a few determined Saudi nationals should want to strike back at the USA.”

      Does that count as sowing destructive opinion? What of these ‘contributors’ and those who loyally support them?

      “disparaging anyone who criticizes useless right wing tactics as Marxists?”

      Blackshit attacks everyone, especially leading WN figures – apart from Metzger which says a lot about why BS is here. This hypocrite endlessly promotes Metzger but attacks New America for his belief in Covington’s ideas. Movement jealousy can be very petty.

      BS and McGreen/Parsifal share left-wing positions about many issues which do not differ from the MSM and they post them here. That is why they are called marxist.

      Useless Conservative tactics include not naming the jew, not disputing or talking about the holohoax, that Bin Laden/Saudis did 9/11 and some immigration is OK. I believe in none of those but the same cannot be said for BS and the ‘McGreen’.

    45. Tom McReen Says:

      “I fucking hate you McReen, I really do. If I had the opportunity to smash your face in (that is if you were/are one person) I would until you were completely disfigured and near death.”

      So I guess that makes me part of the 90% of the White race you want to ‘HURT’ and ‘PURGE’.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVoMhBPJztI&

    46. Hoosier Says:

      A musical interlude about Negroes:

      http://tinyurl.com/7p8kyb

      It’s great to see everyone getting along so well. It must be
      the Christmas spirit!

    47. Stan Sikorski Says:

      I wrote Agent Hal Turner last week at his family blog asking him if he or any of his agent friends had anything to do with Yankee Jim’s death, and if I was one of the names he has passed off to Uncle Schmeuley. when I heardabout Hal being a fed pet, that feeling that there is more to Jim’s death than meets the eye started nagging at me again.

      Maybe I’m wrong, but stranger things have happened. I need to think about it more as I re-read the timeline of Hal’s betrayal in relation to Jim’s sudden confusion and eventual demise.

    48. chubby Says:

      @ Alex Linder

      Regarding your health:

      Just in case you haven’t….Have a blood test to assess your liver function. There is a strong correlation between UC and sclerosing cholangitis which can be quiescent for long periods of time. Don’t wait till you get jaundiced. There is also a high incidence of colonic malignancy, so follow your GI doc’s suggestions on colonoscopies.

      Wishing you the best!

    49. New America Says:

      This thread, so far, has been a good cross-section of the usual respondent to VNN.

      Print it out, and read it slowly, looking for any patterns.

      I see an obvious pattern:

      A scant handful of really good people find their efforts all but neutralized by a small handful of people who are quite skilled at stopping the train from moving at all, much less get up a good head of steam.

      In particular, their comments are so trite, so Childish, that they are calculated – deliberately calculated – to make people literally pull away in revulsion.

      How many people pulled away from anything self-identifying as “White Nationalism” solely on, in effect, entering a room, and seeing people you would not wish to associate with under any circumstances?

      They are remarkable effective, and they are tolerated.

      Thus, the First Rule of Politics – People Want To Be FOR Something – works against us.

      Some sort of registration system might be in order.

      Rockwell had it right – he KNEW what he was up against, and he KNEW that, at a certain time, you had to offer the working class something worth standing for, today, voting for, tomorrow, and fighting for, the day after tomorow, and for the rest of their lives.

      Such intelligent, disciplined effort as we have have seen against us Is Not By Accident.

      It is intended to:

      STOP the Conversation,

      SHIFT the Conversation,

      CHANGE the Conversation,

      CONTROL the Conversation,

      and, above all,

      CONTROL OUR ACTIONS.

      A common theme of my conversations has been an attempt to Frame an answer to The Question:

      “WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS?”

      My answers, which I incorporated into my old sig, all draw of Harold Covington and the Northwest Republic Analytical Initiative.

      And the Opposition was virtually unknown until Covington was mentioned, positively, favorably, and consistently.

      Suddenly. disciplined, focused, intelligent Opposition came out of the walls.

      Remember what Linder said:

      “They can not allow us to speak, as there is no intelligent opposition to White Nationalism.”

      As we have seen, there are many ways of “not allowing us to speak,” and we are forbidden to speak on topics that are clear, bright, crystalline carriers of The Truth.

      Remember a sagacious point Harold Covington made some time back:

      “The System Is Set Up To STOP What We Are Trying To Do.”

      Think not?

      Ask Yankee Jim.

      To paraphrase Terrible Tommy Metzger:

      “When you play be THEIR Rules, which they make up as they go along, you will ALWAYS LOSE. You will think you are in a transparent, revolving glass door, and the only way out is to BREAK THE FUCKING GLASS!”

      Covington’s Northwest Republic Analytical Framework does just that, if you will allow it to.

      Notice how the Patriotards have accomplished exactly NOTHING, politically.

      Think there’s a reason for that?

      How’s this?

      All they can agree on is the need to “Restore the Constitution.”

      After that, they go after the Federal Reserve, the Fourteenth Amendment, the Tenth Amendment, illegal immigration, and they make no headway whatsoever.

      Why?

      Because, Charlie Brown, Lucy will ALWAYS snap the football away from you.

      ALWAYS.

      AS long as Lucy holds the football – meaning, those who hate your Race control the definitions, framework and actions you might take – you will NEVER be – ALLOWEDto win.

      Oh, you might be ALLOWED some small, nominal “victories,” as a dealer might let you win a few small hands to keep you in a rigged game.

      But you will not be ALLOWED to actially WIN something that really matters.

      You will have to take it, by being relentlessly focused and disciplined on a handful of Adult Concepts:

      One, They Do Not Care About You At All.

      Never have, never will.

      Two, Respect Is Earned.

      Ever been to a meeting of self-identified “White Nationalists?”

      Sad, wasn’t it?

      Didn’t you want to go to church and hold a coat drive for their kids?

      Didn’t you look into their eyes when they were not being fueled by alcohol, in compensation for the sad, miserable, lives they live?

      Didn’t you see the look of beaten dogs in their eyes?

      Didn’t see that with Rockwell, did you?

      Didn’t see that with Pierce, did you?

      Didn’t hear it in their voices, did you?

      What happened to us?

      Simple.

      We ALLOWED our Enemies to define us to THEIR satisfaction; soft, weak, geldings trying to be rational with people who are ruled by an irrational hatred of us, and our Race.

      We let them set up this beautiful revolving door, and we – WE – chose to go around and around in circles, wasting our lives, weakening our selves, our Families, our Race.

      “They” pretty much have us where they want us, unless…

      You BREAK THE GLASS, and build a better world for YOUR Posterity, starting with yourself, right now, starting where you ARE.

      What would the Better World look like?

      Harold Covington has removed your excuses, and has laid out ONE Analytical Framework for one and all, that simply works, for one and all.

      In the past, I have written of my Dream from Yankee Jim, to have him playing oldies records and a little live music at a hotel bar in Kalispell, Montana.

      Didn’t happen.

      But it could have.

      I ask one and all on VNN to sit down TONIGHT, and write out how they see their country, their state, their town, their lives, and the lives of their Family, developing over the next twenty, thirty, fifty years.

      I then ask them to write out what they would do about it if they had infinite resources, and what they would do about it if they had no resources, save what they have at hand.

      Start with your height and weight, and move from there, move outward, to your Family, your extended Family, the Nation we know, the State we live in, and the Country we live in.

      Go ahead.

      Assume the economy declined in real terms at3% a year.

      Assume the Reconquista becomes true.

      Assume whatever you want, but then ask, “What would I do about this, what could I do about this, and what CAN I do about this?”

      Suppose – let’s take an example we can all relate to – Yankee Jim found an intolerable, no-win situation at home.

      Does he accept the intolerable situation, Do Something ineffective about it, or does he realize his life AS HE CHOSE TO SEE IT had been one massive, fraudulent deception after another, and decide to Start Over, playing the oldies at a hotel bar in Kalispell?

      We all make choices, and those Choices define, to a remarkable degree, who we are.

      The broadest set of Choices lead directly to Harold Covington’s Northwest Republic, one way or another.

      Choose which way, choose this day, and…

      Choose Wisely.

      The Purpose Of Judaism is The Genocide of the White Race.

      We Have A Duty To Our Racial Destiny.

      We are not the last of a dying breed; we are the first, and best, of a brave new world.

      Take Control Of The Destiny That Is Rightfully Yours.

    50. chubby Says:

      @Alex

      Just went to Amazon.com to check out the reviews of “Who Wrote the New Testament”. The reviews there tend to one extreme or the other: either “great, eye opening” or “complete fantasy, ahistorical nonsense.” What’s your take? Any conclusions?

    51. MIKE DWYER Says:

      where there were very few websites for White people to find out what is going on, now they may be more than 200 as the planned anniliation of Whites continues by the Jew.

      all whites must be aware by the day on what is going on and the only way to do that is by computer.

      news for White families can’t be much worse than it is right now.

    52. alex Says:

      Just went to Amazon.com to check out the reviews of “Who Wrote the New Testament”. The reviews there tend to one extreme or the other: either “great, eye opening” or “complete fantasy, ahistorical nonsense.” What’s your take? Any conclusions?

      I would say the guy is definitely a debunker, altho not hostile. He’s not all that dishonest by liberal standards, which isn’t saying much. His concern is to de-deify Jeboo and show how the myth was constructed. Perhaps his aim is to undermine fundamentalist christianity, I don’t know, it doesn’t really matter. The quality of his evidence and speculation is decent.

      What he shows in what I’ve read so far is the first christians coming together in jesus groups. Eating and discussing and fellowshiping to beat the band. Starting to build some rituals. Getting fired up over being sorta-jews without the need to cut off their dicks or follow a bunch of other goofy laws. Christianity as judaism with the net down. Christians get off on forming a kingdom of god, unlike other social forms around them. Not too hard to see this, even if the lib writer, probably a lib christian, is interpreting these communities per lib christians today. Christianity as new groups not based on blood or ties – which is the rock on which kinism founders. From there you have the development of the myth proper, with jesus turned by literary arrangers into a proper god, not just a preceptor or intelligent teacher in the familiar Greek/Roman pattern. I think Barton is saying more or less what Revilo Oliver was saying, that the thing ‘Jesus’ is essentially a myth accreted from sayings and claimed doings, fitting established patterns with a few deviations. Over time it becomes more formalized and routinized as the new cult or social form catches on. It’s plausible. Whether it’s completely true is hard to say. There’s not exactly huge amounts of evidence to draw from.

    53. alex Says:

      Here’s a cut that shows directly that christianity is inherently-and-from-the-beginning anti-ethnic and universal: it’s a bunch of dopes and mushheads and malkies trying to establish the kingdom of god on earth:

      Briefly, what happened was that the Jesus movement spread to the cities of Syria, Asia Minor, and Greece, where it attracted jews living in the diaspora as well as gentiles. Cells were formed by those who met together regularly to discuss the kingdom of God. Patrons emerged who were able to host these meetings at their homes. Following common custom for associations such as these, meals became the occasion for gathering, and eating together became the sign of belonging to the new fellowship. The new fellowship challenged erstwhile ethnic and social prejudices because its constituency was mixed, and it unleashed heady thoughts about new ways to experience human community. What is such a fellowship was exactly what Jesus had meant by his talk of the kingdom of God (or so these Christians seem to have framed the question)?

      The claim was made. Participating in the fellowship that talked about the kingdom of God was the same as belonging to the kingdom of God. And that fellowship included everyone, irrespectiev of customary social identities. Thus a novel notion was born. It was the thought that full participation in a community might be defined on the basis of a shared social vision rather than on the traditional markings of ethnic identity and social status. In retrospect we might want to call such a thought utopian, an idealistic social anthropology with a multicultural (!) flair. But given the social uncertainties and ethnic tensions of the times, a fellowship cultivating such a notion may certainly have been experienced by many as rewarding. It was, in any case, this feature of the new social formation that Paul would find irresistible. The way he put it, once he had gotten over his antagonism to the idea, was, “There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus” (Gal. 3:28). Such a statement is, of course, pure hyperbole, but it does get to the heart of the matter (Boyarin 1994). It is a rather unguarded admission of the new community’s essential attraction, and it does reveal the degree of enthusiasm possible when one accepted the grandiose claims being made. [pp 77-8]

      That pretty much blows up the kinist argument – Christianity is the opposite of a blood-based order. It is inherently, and from the start, universalist, egalitarian and creedal. That is why Christianity and WN are inherently immiscible, no matter how hard brilliant men stirify.

    54. Blackshirt Says:

      Obviously I agree with what Alex is saying, but not just him but also Tom Metzger and the late Ben Klassen, too. It is my opinion that Jesus never existed.

      One of the things I often point out to others to support my opinion is the lack of contemporary mention of Jesus. There is no mention of him in Jewish or Roman histories during his supposed lifetime… NONE. The Romans in particular were excellent historians and they would have certainly taken note of a Jewish rabble rouser who was attracting thousands of followers. There was a real fear of rebellion amongst the Jewish troublemakers, and the Romans watched Judea carefully. I believe the first mention of Jewsus was around 30 years after he supposedly died.

    55. alex Says:

      Christianity can tolerate, say, the racial reality manifesting in slavery or ethnic parishes, but as we see in the above, these are merely prudential and political tolerations. In spirit and doctrine, in origin and history, Christianity cares about what you choose to believe, and not at all, when you get down to it, about who or what you are.

    56. old dutch Says:

      Alex,

      Kuda Bux’s “How to Suck Your Own Penis” is a good example of Jewish style free speech. It belongs on a Jewish website not on VNN.

    57. alex Says:

      It’s an open thread. Tolerance is higher. Certainly that would not be allowed on another thread.

    58. Frank Toliver Says:

      Two thoughts…

      All laws should flow from the following principle; our women and our territory are ours alone(divided here for those weak of heart). Any other law which violates those are invalid and go against the most basic laws of racial survival.

      Niggers are the lowest for of life on the planet. Jews are not lower because they are anti-life, in a class of their own and thus are far off the scale of evil we judge a nigger by. It is like comparing animals to demons.

    59. alex Says:

      The problem, New Amerika, is that you Tubby fans refuse to acknowledge that Covington’s isn’t The Way but merely one possible way. And it is easy to argue, as I have on the forum, that it is not the most attractive way. Which is suggested by the complete lack of interest among those you solicit in moving to the cold, rainy, dreary portion of the continent.

    60. old dutch Says:

      Alex, I’ve brought this up before with you. All that Christ requires for salvation is that you believe in him. Nothing else. Christ has done it all for you.

    61. alex Says:

      Well, isn’t that nice of him. Apparently, ol’ Jeboo missed the No Soul Solicitors! sign on my door.

      Let me reduce it to a witticism:

      You can no more save someone’s soul by dying for his sins than you can make him strong by lifting weights for him.

      The very concept is asinine, stupid, and worthy of Christian softskulls. It is not worthy of Aryan men.

    62. New America Says:

      in reply to alex:

      you wrote:

      The problem, New Amerika, is that you Tubby fans refuse to acknowledge that Covington’s isn’t The Way but merely one possible way.

      in reply:
      I have not suggested there is One and Only One Way.

      Yet, look at what Pierce wrote of White Zion, and ask yourself how far that way went.

      Pierce thought of “white archipelagoes,” whereas I see a White Homeland.

      My larger point is that, once you agree the purpose of the State is the protection of the Race, the Northwest Republic Analytical Model offers room for all of the “experiments in statecraft” the Founders thought was the proper role for the states in their new America.

      Libertarian? Asgardian? Neo-Odinist?

      Check, check, check.

      Flat tax? Graduated personal income tax? Value-added tax?

      Check, check, check.

      Small scale hydro, large scale hydro, wind turbines, power reactors?

      Check, check, check, check.

      Room for all of the experiments in social order we could imagine, all governed by One Principle:

      “Is It BEST For The White Race?”

      The inversion of this Principle certainly works well for the Jews, doesn’t it?

      So why don’t we take the power, and harness it for a Homeland for ourselves, and a future of White Children?

      Further thoughts to follow.

      you wrote:

      And it is easy to argue, as I have on the forum, that it is not the most attractive way.

      in reply:
      “Attractiveness” is a matter of opinion, and choice.

      Playing “Stand And Fight” with the Reconquista is a guarantee of failure, both personal and familial.

      At one time – look at the LOOK magazine archive on GOOGLE for the Forties and Fifties- Los Angeles and Detroit were “attractive” cities, and “attractive” choices for the people who MADE those cities.

      I can just imagine moving to a place where you never hear car alarms going off, or police sirens outside at three in the morning.

      I can just imagine moving to place where my Posterity could learn about nature first-hand, and learn about horses, cattle, and chickens – in microcosm, the Great Cycle of Life – without intermediaries who push agendas.

      I can just imagine moving to a place where you look outside, and have a lake one mile down the road, and mountains two miles down the road.

      I could easily dedicate the rest of my life to insuring my Posterity have me creating a much better Family, and the Living Foundation of a much better Community, in time becoming a Nation where none may make afraid.

      Look at what Brigham Young did with the desolate Wasatch Mountains, and the Salt Lake Valley, with people who had little more than the clothes on their back, and a tremendous sense of DISCIPLINE in the fulfillment of a Racial Purpose.

      We Did It Before…

      you wrote:

      Which is suggested by the complete lack of interest among those you solicit in moving to the cold, rainy, dreary portion of the continent.

      in reply:
      Seemingly, such “lack of interest” is only among the respondents on VNN who have chosen to either respond in trite mockery, or soft silence.

      I think the soft silence is of those who look, do not see themselves as helpless, see themselves as the Men and Women who Created the greatest society in the history of the world, and had THEIR Ancestors, the “Self-Proclaimed Greatest Generation,” squander this heritage, and doom THEIR Posterity to indentured servitude, dispossessed in the country THEIR Ancestors Created.

      The soft silence is from those who look at their husbands and wives at three in the morning, on another day where there is too much month left at the end of the money, and say, “We Can Do Better.”

      The soft silence is from those who you can SEE fleeing Southern California for their lives, with all of their worldly possessions in the U-Haul or on the roof of their car, heading North and East with all possible speed.

      The soft silence is from those who are facing the inevitable moment when two curves will cross, and Someone will look at their wive or husband, think of the future their small children face in the multicultural Hell America will become, and say, “You know, we can stay with my cousin in Boise for a while, and we can Start Over, from a much stronger Foundation, based on Family, which, as we all know, is the Living Foundation of Race.

      Respectfully, Alex, please think of it this way, for just a minute.

      Suppose where you are living was Katrinaed – total loss of power, water and sewer, forever.

      Suppose you got a call from Yankee Jim in Kalispell, telling you he and teh Gadeds have just purchased a foreclosure down the street from April’s Family, and they will let you live there rent free for, say, paying the utilities and property taxes.

      All you identified with in the past is gone, and Yankee Jim (and the Gaedes!) are offering you Kalispell, Montana, for a very nominal sum.

      Mountains down the road one way, lakes down the road the other way, great public schools, great private schools, all in what Harold Covington called Resettlement Are One – Kalispell, Montana.

      Why would you say anything other than “YES!” to that?

      This is a useful bit of discussion.

      Please, let’s keep it going.

      The Purpose Of Judaism is The Genocide of the White Race.

      We Have A Duty To Our Racial Destiny.

      We are not the last of a dying breed; we are the first, and best, of a brave new world.

      Take Control Of The Destiny That Is Rightfully Yours.

    63. exalted grand-master oberführer double diamond jim! Says:

      we must face facts!

      most white adults are, as far as WN is concerned, simply beyond redemption…..Linder, Jim Giles & others are, quite simply, “flogging a dead horse” if they think that any more than 15% max of white adults can become racially aware…..these people are, because of their jew brain-washed mind FCK, in a sense, more of a threat to the survival of the White Race than jews and niggers are!

      MacDonald means what he says in CoC when he calls most ‘Kwan adults (and, in fact, most white people any-where!) de facto, proxy, jews”;

      healthy, white women of child-bearing age should be admitted to the New White Imperium…forced to have four or more white babies and, after that, quite simply, dispensed with!

      the kike commie, “anti-racist” pig operating NiksNest and, currently, ‘covering’ the Bill White trial, while, prima facie, seeming anathema to what one would imagine most white people think is, more likely than not, some-what representative of their mind-set…..

      seeing as how no dedicated WN would tolerate this cunt’s existence for a micro-second….why, then, shouldn’t “politically correct” white libertards (prblby ¾, @ least, of the adult, white ppltn!) be given equally short shrift?

    64. alex Says:

      Playing “Stand And Fight” with the Reconquista is a guarantee of failure, both personal and familial.

      The NW is second only to the SW in terms of threatened reconquest. SLC is far fuller of mexcrement today than when I lived there in the early eighties. Mexis are all over the west, not just the SW. It would make more sense to urge people to move to south and central Texas than the Northwest, and it’s a far more attractive area to boot.

    65. alex Says:

      Seemingly, such “lack of interest” is only among the respondents on VNN who have chosen to either respond in trite mockery, or soft silence.

      They’re not mocking you, their scoffs are based on the fact that you act as though you’ve proved something when you haven’t. You have not demonstrated, and cannot demonstrate, that the NW is more attractive or defensible than other areas of the continent.

    66. alex Says:

      Mountains down the road one way, lakes down the road the other way, great public schools, great private schools, all in what Harold Covington called Resettlement Are One – Kalispell, Montana.

      Why would you say anything other than “YES!” to that?

      Boy, you picked the wrong guy to ask. I far prefer swamps and oceans to mountains, and I detest all public schools. I would stay in New Orleans. I wouldn’t move to Montana for anything short of an established White Republic. That’s the rub – it doesnt’ matter where we go anymore, the same foul System prevails. It’s just a matter of time until the problems all show up again, so no sense to uproot. Where I live is already over 90% white, so I don’t gain much in terms of Whiteness by moving to Montana, which has plenty of crazy people. It’s also colder and remoter, hardly better than Wyoming. If I were going to move, it would be for better weather. Nothing short of a political fact on the ground will get people to relocate at this point. Not if they have any kind of roots at all, and I do have roots in Missouri. I’ve been to Montana. It ain’t that great.

    67. alex Says:

      Linder, Jim Giles & others are, quite simply, “flogging a dead horse” if they think that any more than 15% max of white adults can become racially aware…

      You’re going to lecture on reaching people when you deliberately post in fonts/sizes/colors and writing-ways that make your posts irritating at best and indecipherable at worst? Maybe you should reform. And knock off the hyper-rhetorical violence. The thing about writing is, reaching one is the same as reaching a million. No shit a lot of people aren’t responsive. We’re still trying to reach all we can, whether that’s one percent, 12% or 98%.

    68. Tim McGreen Says:

      New Amerikwa says:

      I can just imagine moving to a place where you never hear car alarms going off, or police sirens outside at three in the morning.

      I can just imagine moving to place where my Posterity could learn about nature first-hand, and learn about horses, cattle, and chickens – in microcosm, the Great Cycle of Life – without intermediaries who push agendas.

      I can just imagine moving to a place where you look outside, and have a lake one mile down the road, and mountains two miles down the road.

      ………………………………………………….

      Why imagine such places? They already exist. Ever hear of West Virginia or New Hampshire? Like Dr. Linder says, there is a complete lack of interest in your proposal for Whites to make a mass-migration to the Pacific NW. In fact, as I have said many times already, White people are moving AWAY from that region in droves!

      It’s really kinda funny how so many posters here desperately want Alex to see things their way. “Please, Massa Linda, y’all gots to believe in da baby Jeezus!” ” I beg you to reconsider your position on the Northwest Imperative, Mr. Linder” and so on. So many whack-O’s with their peculiar pet-beliefs. Actually it’s more annoying than amusing.

    69. alex Says:

      To get people to move somewhere, to reorder their lives, you need either an overwhelming argument, which imo you don’t have. Or you need a charismatic personality. Or a religion. You don’t have those either. The Mormons did have the charismatic argument, and they did have a virtually completely unpopulated area to move to. It’s not like that now, and, as the feds have shown re Randy Weaver, they have the power to project murder into every last cubbyhole. So why are you continuing to kid everybody that the NW is somehow different from the other quarters?

      Why not move into Texas, as the Mormon unregenerates did last year? Yeah, they were busted. But you could buy up a Texas town. Have lots of room between you and most others, mexican or white. And pretty much do your thing – until they feds decided to murder you or steal your children. And unlike Montana, you wouldn’t freeze your ass off.

    70. alex Says:

      My point is not that my Texas argument is better than your NW argument, it’s that it’s not worse.

    71. alex Says:

      MacDonald means what he says in CoC when he calls most ‘Kwan adults (and, in fact, most white people any-where!) de facto, proxy, jews”;

      Here’s the truth: 1) most people cannot think other than in a very crude and instrumental sense. 2) most people do not believe in anything. American’s thinking like jews is merely a function of their repeating the propaganda they’ve been exposed to their entire lives from every official spigot and spewer. You give WN control over tv, what Americans “think”say and do will change 180-degrees virtually overnight.

    72. alex Says:

      It’s really kinda funny how so many posters here desperately want Alex to see things their way. “Please, Massa Linda, y’all gots to believe in da baby Jeezus!” ” I beg you to reconsider your position on the Northwest Imperative, Mr. Linder” and so on. So many whack-O’s with their peculiar pet-beliefs. Actually it’s more annoying than amusing.

      NA makes a lot of good points. I have nothing against his trying to attract people to his vision. Believe me, it could work as well as another solution IF he had an argument or a charismatic religious type to lead people. He doesn’t have an argument, not one better than those for moving other places, nor does he have a charismatic. Pierce tried something sort of like what NA wants to do, but he couldnt really attract people from Washington DC to West Virginia with his Cosmotheism. It takes a very special and rare type to lead a religious pioneer crusade, and I don’t see any of them around.

    73. New America Says:

      in reply to alex:

      I wrote:
      Playing “Stand And Fight” with the Reconquista is a guarantee of failure, both personal and familial.

      you replied:

      The NW is second only to the SW in terms of threatened reconquest. SLC is far fuller of mexcrement today than when I lived there in the early eighties. Mexis are all over the west, not just the SW. It would make more sense to urge people to move to south and central Texas than the Northwest, and it’s a far more attractive area to boot.

      in reply:
      The Reconquista is a fact extending all the way across the border line established by the Treaty of Guadolupe-Hidalgo.

      The economic rationale for the illegals is fading with the Synthetic Economy that brought them here; the collapse of the Welfare State guarantees that they will return South, as they already have.

      South and Central Texas is on the wrong side of the New Border, particularly after the 2010 Census.

      And, there are all four seasons available in the Homeland.

      Just pick your choice.

      Montana was the example because it is clearly lighter, brighter, and Whiter – and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

      Just an example!

      I wrote:
      Seemingly, such “lack of interest” is only among the respondents on VNN who have chosen to either respond in trite mockery, or soft silence.

      you replied:

      They’re not mocking you, their scoffs are based on the fact that you act as though you’ve proved something when you haven’t.

      in reply:
      I’ve proven that no one has offered anything better, and no one has offered anything as good.

      Proof?

      No one addressed the issue of what the best homeland for the White Race would look like..

      They – for the most part, the Blackshirt Entity – have responded with what I suspect the Losers also respond to the deeds o Men who are greater than they are – mockery, scorn, and junior high school cafeteria commentary that says VNN is everything BUT a “Vanguard.”

      Pierce spoke of his desire to attract the best, AND rid “The Movement’ of losers.

      It’s a good example for all of us to follow.

      Can you imagine Pierce allowing the Blackshirt Entity even thirty seconds worth of his time?

      No, of course not.

      Then why do you?

      Speaking of Pierce, I have argued that the Northwest Republic is the most stable – the highest and best – choice for our Race as the manifestation of the solutions to the problems Pierce sought to address with his “White Archipelagoes,” his “White Zion.” (Incidentally, Brigham Young’s followers spoke often of the “Zion” they would build in “Our Lovely Deseret,” and you know where Brother Brigham stood on the Race issue!)

      Young was engaged in social eugenics, and pierce would have applauded that.

      Where do you suppose such initiatives would take place?

      Eugenics, in the Northwest Republic, and dysgenics, in the Reconquista.

      To those who say I have not “proven” something, I simply reply that I have proven it well enough to make my point, and no one has disproven it enough to invalidate it.

      I would not seek to “prove” anything to the satisfaction of those who live in the psychological world of the junior high school cafeteria, and, in this regard, neither would Pierce.

      Nor should we.

      you wrote:

      You have not demonstrated, and cannot demonstrate, that the NW is more attractive or defensible than other areas of the continent.

      in reply:
      “More attractive” is a matter of opinion, but just call April Gaede and ask her about the atractiveness of Glacier National Park, right down the street from her, on the Flathead River and the numerous lakes down the other side of the street from her.

      I’ve never met April, but she seems to be an exemplar. and i would trust her painfully gained opinion.

      Now, “more attractive” than South Central LA?

      No argument.

      And, as to “defensible?”

      We see the Reconquista is an established fact on the first hundred miles on THIS side of the former US-Mexican border, and, particularly following the 2010 Census, will be a “fact on the ground” up to, and beyond, the borders of the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo.

      I’d best not speak further concerning “defensive measures.”

      I’ll leave such discussions for the experts at the Sandpoint Military Academy!

      I wrote:
      Mountains down the road one way, lakes down the road the other way, great public schools, great private schools, all in what Harold Covington called Resettlement Are One – Kalispell, Montana.

      Why would you say anything other than “YES!” to that?

      you replied:

      Boy, you picked the wrong guy to ask. I far prefer swamps and oceans to mountains, and I detest all public schools. I would stay in New Orleans. I wouldn’t move to Montana for anything short of an established White Republic. That’s the rub – it doesnt’ matter where we go anymore, the same foul System prevails. It’s just a matter of time until the problems all show up again, so no sense to uproot. Where I live is already over 90% white, so I don’t gain much in terms of Whiteness by moving to Montana, which has plenty of crazy people. It’s also colder and remoter, hardly better than Wyoming. If I were going to move, it would be for better weather. Nothing short of a political fact on the ground will get people to relocate at this point. Not if they have any kind of roots at all, and I do have roots in Missouri. I’ve been to Montana. It ain’t that great.

      in reply:
      Glad to hear that where you are works for you.

      A lot of us would prefer the CHOICE to be part of the Northwest Republic, a Racial Homeland.

      You make the strongest argument of all in favor of the Northwest Republic with your observation, that the System will go with us, and the same problems will follow us.

      I don’t think so.

      I think we can build a better System, a social order based around what is best for the Race.

      Brigham Young did it, and we have tools that would make it much easier, for us, than it was, for them.

      That is really what Covington is proposed, and is a near-perfect Solution to the issues Pierce sought to address with HIS “White Zion,” with HIS “White Archipelagoes.”

      For the first time in far too long, it would be OUR Choice, in OUR Homeland, for OUR Children, and OUR Posterity.

      New System!

      As you said earlier, “In politics, things can change very quickly.”

      Look at the economic and social conditions in 1933 Germany, and how thoroughly they changed by 1939, when TIME Magazine’s Man Of The Year spoke of his pride in what his country, his people, hada done.

      This, in a country about the size of Oregon.

      The Northwest Republic has room for many Oregons.

      Oh, wait!

      It already has one!

      ;)

      The Purpose Of Judaism is The Genocide of the White Race.

      We Have A Duty To Our Racial Destiny.

      We are not the last of a dying breed; we are the first, and best, of a brave new world.

      Take Control Of The Destiny That Is Rightfully Yours.

    74. Tim McGreen Says:

      If you want Whites to move to the Pacific Northwest, you’re going to have to replace Commodore Covington with a much more credible and charasmatic leader, I’m afraid. A Joseph Smith or Charles Manson type figure would work.

    75. old dutch Says:

      Well, isn’t that nice of him. Apparently, ol’ Jeboo missed the No Soul Solicitors! sign on my door.
      —–

      It’s your decision. LOL.

    76. Tim McGreen Says:

      Well, isn’t that nice of him. Apparently, ol’ Jeboo missed the No Soul Solicitors! sign on my door.
      —–

      It’s your decision. LOL
      ………………………………………………..

      OK then, so Jebu should repsect people’s decisions, not punish them, right? Besides, how can someone really convince themselves to believe something they know deep down is TOTAL BULLSHIT? Would you and Jebu want people to be dishonest with themselves?

      And I thought you were hostile to the Catholic Church, Old Drunk? That was one of the first real Christian Churches, you know. Your cherished Protestantism wasn’t invented until 1500 years later. Think about that before you polish off another bottle of Old Grandad.

    77. Tim McGreen Says:

      Oh, I almost forgot…..

      LOL.

    78. New America Says:

      in reply to alex:

      I think I need to restate what I stated in earlier threads.

      The Northwest Republic is the highest and best temporal Vision for a Racial Homeland.

      I admire Pierce for using the term “White Zion,” and having the intellectual honesty to support the formation of the functional equivalent of a Racial Homeland.

      I see the Northwest Republic Imperative as manifesting as the Northwest Republic Analytical Framework, forcing us to ask the questions of how to address the problems of our social order AS IF WE WERE LIVING IN A RACIAL HOMELAND.

      Thus, questions that befuddle us here, can be reframed into the foundations of New Solutions, THERE.

      Thus, many would not literally move to the Northwest Republic, until the alternatives were far worse.

      They should have the option, the Choice, the Power, to start living their lives AS IF they were surrounded by the Racial Kinsmen Creating a much better nation as matters of Choice.

      CHOICE.

      The freedom to choose that we are told we have is usually, all too often, the “freedom” to ratify one of two choices that have already been made for you, as is the case in our election system.

      Suppose you made EVERY decision, EVERY Choice, as if you were laying the foundation for a new nation, a Vision that might not be fulfilled in your lifetime, but could certainly be fulfilled in the lifetimes of your Posterity.

      And, if Kalispell doesn’t work for you, you have many wonderful Choices available to you.

      Rexburg, Idaho has certain charms for some people.

      But, don’t be limited by MY conceptions.

      Do Better, yourself, and don’t be a victim.

      That’s what the Northwest Republic is to me – a chance to Do better in addressing all of the social problems we face in a place where none may make afraid, a place where the central government is organized SOLELY around one Principle, “Is This BEST For The White Race?

      The Purpose Of Judaism is The Genocide of the White Race.

      We Have A Duty To Our Racial Destiny.

      We are not the last of a dying breed; we are the first, and best, of a brave new world.

      Take Control Of The Destiny That Is Rightfully Yours.

    79. Adam Says:

      Alex,

      You should read Jacques Ellul’s The Technological Society. I’d really like to hear your take on what is quite possibly one of the most important, and one of the most under-appreciated books of the twentieth century.

      What is your view of technological change — and especially its unintended side effects — as a force for destruction of the white race? Please keep in mind that by “technology” is meant not merely machinery, but the entire range of techniques, both physical and non-physical, that man employs to obtain what he wants from the world. That means it would include, for example, educational techniques such as that of the public schooling you deplore above, which adapts techniques of mass production to the production of human(?) minds. Do you think ZOG could exist without it? I don’t. At least, it would have been forced to take a very different form; one that we can scarcely imagine.

      It’s my view that cultural forms and moral standards, the values a society establishes for itself, are tied to its level of technological development, and consist of an interaction between that level of development and certain genetic predispositions that are based on race. Observe that societal plagues such as feminism, non-white immigration, race-mixing, declining fertility, looseness of sexual mores, and a decay in virtue generally, track very tightly with the expansion of the global technological system. This is the reason that white societies before the 1960s weren’t troubled by these things. Without scientific methods of birth control, no matter how many shrill harridans thought it a good idea, feminism could not exist. Without these techniques, women would rediscover chastity, and white fertility would not be declining. White women would be very much less likely to experiment sexually with niggers, and sexual mores would return of their own accord to what they were in the past. Without techniques of mass transportation, there would be very little immigration into white lands, and thus race-mixing would not be a problem. Remember that the Jews themselves were brought into America by means of such techniques.

    80. Kuda Bux Says:

      Kuda Bux (1906 – February 5, 1981) was an Indian mystic and magician. One of his most famous tricks was one in which he would cover his eyes with soft dough, blindfold himself, swath his entire head in strips of cloth, and yet still be able to see. He was also a fire walker. In his later life, he lost his eyesight to glaucoma.

      Kuda Bux was the subject of a 1950 film titled Kuda Bux, Hindu Mystic, and his apparent ability to see while blindfolded with dough strongly influenced British author Roald Dahl in the short story of Henry Sugar, who was taught to develop the same powers.

      Most astoundingly, observers noted that the unblindfolded Mr. Bux required reading glasses to read fine print. Whilst blindfolded Kuda Bux would read the dates on coins which are held on a spectator’s hand, read the fine print of a magazine, thread a needle, duplicate words he had never seen written, shoot a bullseye with a pellet gun, and many other mysteries.

      According to Robert Ripley, Kuda Bux performed an astonishing feat in Radio City, Manhattan, on August 2, 1938. According to this account, a hole 3 feet deep was dug in the Radio City parking lot and logs and bags of charcoal were set on fire in it. Kuda Bux, so the story goes, walked back and forth through the pit—twice. Ripley said, “Kuda Bux’s feet were not even warm.” There is newsreel footage of this event in the TV biography (distributed on VHS) Robert Ripley: Believe It or Not (TBS 1993).

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuda_Bux

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6x_zO0IIsE

    81. old dutch Says:

      Oh. I see the Roman Catholic faction is making personal attacks.

      Btw, if you knew me—you would know that I don’t drink.

      Matter of fact I would suggest, and you can consider this professional advice, booze and politics don’t mix.

      Of course you Roman Catholics know it all…LOL.

    82. alex Says:

      It’s your decision. LOL.

      Exactly. I’ll be goddamned if I have to endure eternity anywhere, let alone a place full of Baptists.

    83. alex Says:

      That is really what Covington is proposed, and is a near-perfect Solution to the issues Pierce sought to address with HIS “White Zion,” with HIS “White Archipelagoes.”

      You’re like a stuck record player. Man, it ain’t hard to conceive a solution, it’s hard to execute it. Pierce couldnt get more than a few to follow him from DC to WV, and Covington can’t even get that many.

      Argument, argument – whatever. I can make a better argument than you can for the NW that we would be likelier to achieve a new White nation beginning as an enclave in a brown-majority area in Mexico or Brazil. The fact of being a minority is what makes ‘racists.’ And the brown countries, as Fred Reed has written many times, are at once more lawless and freer than our increasingly shitty cold northern republic. In Mexico, you can actually do stuff.

      I don’t think you quite grasp how totally unpopulated SLC was when Brigham landed there. It was high desert – no water except in mountains, no plants, just desert scrub. It’s not like that now. ZOG can get anywhere, and it will. So stop acting like one place is better than another. It comes down to whether you can persuade people to move. Show me that you can do that, and you’ll have something. Until you demonstrate your claims, I, like most, don’t see anything you can do that I couldn’t do right here, or someone else do where they are.

    84. alex Says:

      They should have the option, the Choice, the Power, to start living their lives AS IF they were surrounded by the Racial Kinsmen Creating a much better nation as matters of Choice.

      They can do this now and where they are. I do it myself. I’ll bet most of the people here do it to one extent or another. it comes back to personal actions – saving money rather than spending. Dejewing our lievs, enWhitening our lives, however we can think to. That’s what we can do at the moment. If you or Tubby can get beyond that, more power to you, I’m sure we’ll respect it. Can you? Then prove it. But a plan that comes back to telling everybody else what we should do isn’t going to work. Prove your concept. Do it the way real religions do – go to your next door neighbors and convert them. Like the mormons, the baptists, the jehovah’s witnesses do. Don’t tell me to move from Missouri, I’m happy here, and if I leave, it sure ain’t for Mon-goddam-tana. Quit trying to invent a model where you already have a wheel to copy; quit trying to duplicate an outmoded model from the different circumstances of the 19th century. Instead of telling US to move where YOU are, win over the whites who already are where you are, and then show us your success. Hell of a lot easier for you; hell of a lot more impressive to us.

    85. Boris Says:

      To Tim McGreen re the book on the historical evidence for Christ:

      Yes it mentions the stuff about Josephus but it contains plenty of other evidence as well.

      It does not refer to the other things you mention, at all.

      For anyone who’s interested the book is:

      The Christ Files, by Dr John Dickson.

      By the way I never said the book “proves” that Christianity is true or that Christ really existed. I just said it contains interesting and compelling evidence that can’t just be dismissed out of hand.

      For anyone who’s interested – read it with an open mind. Don’t just dismiss it because of what you think it says. If you do you will probably find you are wrong!

    86. Howdy Doody Says:

      Niggers are the lowest for of life on the planet. Jews are not lower because they are anti-life, in a class of their own and thus are far off the scale of evil we judge a nigger by. It is like comparing animals to demons.

    87. alex Says:

      Alex,

      You should read Jacques Ellul’s The Technological Society. I’d really like to hear your take on what is quite possibly one of the most important, and one of the most under-appreciated books of the twentieth century.

      I have read it. Not as big a fan of it as you are.


      What is your view of technological change — and especially its unintended side effects — as a force for destruction of the white race? Please keep in mind that by “technology” is meant not merely machinery, but the entire range of techniques, both physical and non-physical, that man employs to obtain what he wants from the world. That means it would include, for example, educational techniques such as that of the public schooling you deplore above, which adapts techniques of mass production to the production of human(?) minds. Do you think ZOG could exist without it? I don’t. At least, it would have been forced to take a very different form; one that we can scarcely imagine.

      I’ve read a good bit on the history of the public school – Gatto, Iserbyt and Blumenfeld. Yes, it is certainly an institution intended to stifle, bore, stultify, intimidate potential people into system cogs. No doubt about that. That’s why I’m so hot to eliminate it. What ties whites into ZOG more than public schools? Almost nothing, not even the military. It’s all of our sisters, mothers, aunts working for the beast, and, being women, absorbing and repeating its lies without thinking. And then taking all that local tax money so people never have any free time to think better thoughts and cultivate themselves.

      It seems to me it is certainly easier to create a ZOG or an (X)OG when you have national media and rapid transportation. Those are not the only basis for domination, but they sure make it easier to project lies and power.

      Nevertheless, I think you’re ignoring the other side. For example, I was a print publisher and writer in the years before the Internet went public. It is 1,000,000x more onerous to publish ideas before the free distribution of the Net. So technology cuts two ways. I just flat don’t believe that technology has inherent effects. I think McLuhan’s ideas are mostly wrong. They’re flashy but on inspection, it come back to making choices. If, somehow, we could destroy the government, very large numbers of people would happily live without it. It has grown slowly and steadily enough to the point that we’re perfectly poised between parasites and productive. They have learned how to leave us just enough money to keep working rather than revolting. But they have bankrupted themselves and in general shown their omni-incompetence. No matter where you look, government is failing. That gives me hope. Technology always has and always will cut both ways, is my guess. I’m no Amish, but I’m no computer nerd either. I don’t think there’s anything inherent in technology that forces us to live a certain way, or under a certain form of dictatorship. I think to say that is simply to veil the money interests and political problem.

    88. Blackshirt Says:

      alex Says:
      15 December, 2009 at 12:53 am

      “”That is really what Covington is proposed, and is a near-perfect Solution to the issues Pierce sought to address with HIS “White Zion,” with HIS “White Archipelagoes.”

      You’re like a stuck record player. ”

      This is EXACTLY what I said when “New America” first started showing up here. It is all Covington, all the time with this guy. Actually, when he posts and can refrain from tooting Tubby’s horn he does have some good things to say ocassionally.

    89. Boris Says:

      To Stan S – I just saw your comment here – you should come back to VNN, man. I haven’t seen any posts from you for a year or maybe more?? You were always a quality poster and Lord knows VNN needs them!

    90. Tim McGreen Says:

      Howdy Doody Says:

      15 December, 2009 at 1:14 am

      Niggers are the lowest for of life on the planet……….

      ———————————–
      Howdy, what about the Aboriginies and the Red Indians? How do they compare with the Blacks?

    91. alex Says:

      Do you think ZOG could exist without it? I don’t.

      This is why homeschooling is so interesting – the HS movement has demonstrated beyond all possible doubt its superiority to PS by any measure you use. And the HS movement continues to grow. At some point, as I have written, there will be a showdown. We’ve seen mini-showdowns already, as in Nebraska and California in the last two years. The HS have won them, fairly easily. There will be more conflicts, and the amperage of the ZOG/PS response will answer your question.

    92. New America Says:

      in further reply to alex:

      I wrote:
      That is really what Covington is proposed, and is a near-perfect Solution to the issues Pierce sought to address with HIS “White Zion,” with HIS “White Archipelagoes.”

      you replied:

      You’re like a stuck record player. Man, it ain’t hard to conceive a solution, it’s hard to execute it. Pierce couldnt get more than a few to follow him from DC to WV, and Covington can’t even get that many.

      in reply:
      Pierce attracted some of the best people you could imagine.

      He simply did not have enough of a Plan to organize their activities productively, as we have seen in how quickly his personal “White Zion” has become a mudhole in Hillsboro, West Virginia.

      I would rather have a thousand first-rate people, than a hundred thousand damn losers.

      So dd Pierce, and so does Covington.

      I suspect, so do you.

      you wrote:

      Argument, argument – whatever. I can make a better argument than you can for the NW that we would be likelier to achieve a new White nation beginning as an enclave in a brown-majority area in Mexico or Brazil. The fact of being a minority is what makes ‘racists.’ And the brown countries, as Fred Reed has written many times, are at once more lawless and freer than our increasingly shitty cold northern republic. In Mexico, you can actually do stuff.

      in reply:
      The “minority” issue simply reduces us to demographic doom, and political ineffectiveness.

      And, the “freedom” the brown countries offer has been rejected by the people OF the brown countries, who flee North as quickly as possible.

      Incidentally, as Mexico becomes a net importer of oil by 2012, you can expect to see what my demographer friends call “the Nightmare,” you can see why THEY want to be around US, as much as possible.

      They still destroy wherever they live, and they will do it to us.

      Notice how much time Fred stays out of Glorious Mexico?

      Think there’s an excellent reason for that?

      you wrote:

      I don’t think you quite grasp how totally unpopulated SLC was when Brigham landed there. It was high desert – no water except in mountains, no plants, just desert scrub.

      in reply:
      I know.

      Winter of ’47, people lived off thistletops, and many didn’t make it through.

      I know this history.

      you wrote:

      It’s not like that now. ZOG can get anywhere, and it will. So stop acting like one place is better than another.

      in reply:
      Every person has one place they prefer to another; indeed, to all others.

      That’s not “acting,” that’s the TRUTH, as seen in their actions, their CHOICES.

      you wrote:

      It comes down to whether you can persuade people to move. Show me that you can do that, and you’ll have something. Until you demonstrate your claims, I, like most, don’t see anything you can do that I couldn’t do right here, or someone else do where they are.

      in reply:
      People will be persuaded to move when the time is right.

      Take the example of April Gaede.

      From SoCal to Kalispell, and a better, brighter, Whiter World.

      That’s a good example to follow, and she’s a GIRL!

      Man up, guys!

      And, as I have said before, starting where you are is an excellent Idea.

      I’m glad someone is doing that!

      As we come together, an implicate social order could develop around the one thing we can all agree upon, and that is the First Principle of ANY organization for us MUST be, “Is this BEST for the White Race?”

      If we get THAT right, a lot of possibilities can come to the fore.

      Look what Pierce did with radio, and a handful of motivated followers.

      Think of what we can do with modern communications technology, and handfuls of motivated, intelligent, co-workers in the fulfillment of a great Racial Purpose.

      The Purpose Of Judaism is The Genocide of the White Race.

      We Have A Duty To Our Racial Destiny.

      We are not the last of a dying breed; we are the first, and best, of a brave new world.

      Take Control Of The Destiny That Is Rightfully Yours.

    93. alex Says:

      HS are implicit WN because they have demonstrated they don’t need ZOG’s institutions to succeed – indeed, they have demonstrated that ZOG’s institutions are impediments to producing healthy, happy, productive, successful, family-oriented adults. ZOG is geared, rather, to producer identical supersized, superstultified superselfish hypersexual consumer units.

    94. Tim McGreen Says:

      I think Kommandant Kovington needs a better mouthpiece than New Amerikwa. For the right money, I’d do the job.

    95. Blackshirt Says:

      What makes Old Dutch such a funny guy is that he really believes that one faction of Christinsanity is better than another. He loves Jewsus and wishes for all of us to find salvation, but only as long as it isn’t through Catholicism. It’s like being a extreme fan of one Jewish sports team over another Jewish sports team. LOL

      P.S.- Jewsus loves all Christards, regardless of how they worship him ;-)

    96. Boris Says:

      For anyone who’s interested:

      http://thechristfiles.com.au/

    97. alex Says:

      I don’t think there’s anything inherent in technology that forces us to live a certain way, or under a certain form of dictatorship. I think to say that is simply to veil the money interests and political problem.

      This said, it could be taken as sanguine. With videocams everywhere and all databases tied, it becomes increasingly difficult to live free. I mean, I don’t know about you, but I’ve been tripped up by things over a decade old. The state computers weren’t all connected, but now they pretty much are. So all of a sudden, say, you try to renew a license, and a flag pops up. Yeah, the tools for a full-fledged tyranny are definitely there if not fully in place. But still, I do think there is a way around it. But it has to start with an all-White nation.

    98. alex Says:

      What makes Old Dutch such a funny guy is that he really believes that one faction of Christinsanity is better than another.

      That’s a large part of the appeal of the religion – believing that others will be denied access to heaven, the world’s most exclusive night club, while you are admitted. I remember a WND article from a few years back. The vast majority of chrizzlers believe they’re going to heaven, even though the bible is quite clear that the way is narrow, and few shall pass through.

    99. New America Says:

      in further reply to alex:

      I wrote:
      >They should have the option, the Choice, the Power, to start living their lives AS IF they were surrounded by the Racial Kinsmen Creating a much better nation as matters of Choice.

      you replied:

      They can do this now and where they are. I do it myself. I’ll bet most of the people here do it to one extent or another. it comes back to personal actions – saving money rather than spending. Dejewing our lievs, enWhitening our lives, however we can think to. That’s what we can do at the moment. If you or Tubby can get beyond that, more power to you, I’m sure we’ll respect it. Can you? Then prove it. But a plan that comes back to telling everybody else what we should do isn’t going to work. Prove your concept. Do it the way real religions do – go to your next door neighbors and convert them. Like the mormons, the baptists, the jehovah’s witnesses do.

      in reply:
      I think this excellent idea was discussed in the old VNN, where someone urged the formation of a relgion, and religious organization, along the lines of the JW’s.

      My concept has been proven, every time a White family leaves an area that is less White, to an area that is more Whiter – yes, “Whiter and Brighter.”

      That “proof of concept,” as the engineers say, can be extended to more effective forms of social organization, all united by a common theme of Racial Betterment.

      It is irrefutable that the wall of U-Hauls leaving SoCal is leaving to places that are “Whiter and Brighter,” even if this involves substantial pay cuts for the people.

      And THAT gets to the spiritual component of our activities, the Idea that Quality Is Preferable To Quality.

      you wrote:

      Don’t tell me to move from Missouri, I’m happy here, and if I leave, it sure ain’t for Mon-goddam-tana. Quit trying to invent a model where you already have a wheel to copy; quit trying to duplicate an outmoded model from the different circumstances of the 19th century. Instead of telling US to move where YOU are, win over the whites who already are where you are, and then show us your success. Hell of a lot easier for you; hell of a lot more impressive to us.

      in reply:
      I have a wheel, too, and it is a better wheel.

      The Nineteenth Century model I spoke of was an example of what the White Race can do when it is fulfilling a commonly defined Transcendental Purpose.

      A bunch of starving Mormons led directly to the Creation of a Nation – “Our Beloved Deseret” – and THAT Nation became a very successful nation within the American State.

      Good examples for all of us there.

      “Winning over the Whites” requires simply allowing them the right to choose to explicitly and consciously organize along Racial lines.

      And, again, the most casual review of where the Whites are fleeing FROM, and where they are fleeing TO, reveals that our people are looking forward to organizing along Racial lines.

      Covington simply provides them with the greatest, most transcendent, Reason to Do so, and Purpose to fulfill.

      The Purpose Of Judaism is The Genocide of the White Race.

      We Have A Duty To Our Racial Destiny.

      We are not the last of a dying breed; we are the first, and best, of a brave new world.

      Take Control Of The Destiny That Is Rightfully Yours.

    100. alex Says:

      Pierce attracted some of the best people you could imagine.

      I don’t have to imagine. I was out there several times, and I saw the ones he attracted.

    101. Tim McGreen Says:

      OD contradicts himself when he says that all you have to do to win Christian Salvation is “believe” in Jebu….Except if you do it as a Catholic. Don’t Catholics also believe in Jebu, or is it just Lutherans and Methodists?

      OD, I’m sorry I accused you of drunkeness, it’s just that your posts sometime come accross as the work of someone who’s been hitting the bottle. But I did enjoy your “wise Latina snapper” remark regarding “Judge” Sotomayor.

    102. Blackshirt Says:

      Regarding the whole “NW imperative” nonsense:

      Recently I read an article about how the Amish have begun a quiet migration from the traditional Amish country in Pennsylvania to rural Maine. I’m not going to spend a half-a-page going into why the Amish are getting out of Pennsylvania, but I find it very interesting where the Amish decided to move to.

      As a resident of New England, I often wondered why the Northern parts of NE weren’t considered a better place for a “white homeland” than the NW. I mean, it is Whiter here than the NW (the three “Whitest” states in the USA a couple years ago were Vermont, NH, and Maine) and there is industry, history, and the winters are cold enough to keep most of the muds away.

      With all of that said, I am NOT advocating any sort of a “White homeland” because I believe ALL of this land that was bequeathed to us by our forefathers is ours, and we shouldn’t give it up without a fight. As I have said before, the whole NW imperative thing is a useless idea, and aside from a very few Covington devotees, no one is buying it.

    103. Arminius Says:

      73 responses so far, good. The only one left behind in the desert is Kuda Bux. Very good. But that New America writes posts as long as the Bible is very bad. Quantity does not help, for he has forgotten the key which decides all, and there is little comfort that all other posters overlooked it just the same.
      Why has nobody mentioned the money question? Isn’t the problem of money and finance everywhere, from the Black House through the whole country (nay, all countries of the globe), down to the last jobless nigger in New Orleans? Is here anone, who the money problem did not affect one way or another? Is there any reason, why the money question is anathema?
      How can we explain and tolerate the fact, that a minority of jews become richer at every bad turn of the economy? Who makes the economic weather by the ruthless application of money power?
      We have now more jewish billionaires than ever before, and there is no end in sight of their legalized robbery. Will we ever become free from jewish domination if we cannot break the money power?
      Or, looking at the economy, always ruled by money/finance from another angle: Because we Whites have in the past built a better economy with a higher standard of living, there is no doubt, that all influx of mexishit, niggers, asian refugees, you name them, has one cause: To profit from us. Money is the reason why they come.
      It has been always so. The enormous immigration by Europeans into the US in the 19th century had the same cause: The rich silver mines of Colorado supplied the purchasing power, created much better living conditions than in Europe of the time, raised the power uf the United States and also produced that ruthless breed of money kings and bankers, of which the USA have become so notorious to this day.
      I apply this observation to New America’s NWR: People will rush to settle there, if he can offer them a considerably higher standard of living.
      If he is able provide the settlers with an interest and debt free money, with a land, that cannot be speculated with, this would be THE solution for the white race. Of course, this recipe could be applied elsewhere with the same effect.
      If not, his exhortations will continue to be in vain.

    104. Tim McGreen Says:

      “Pierce attracted some of the best people you could imagine.”

      Like the creepy pedophile Kevin Alfred Strom?

    105. alex Says:

      That is really what Covington is proposed, and is a near-perfect Solution to the issues Pierce sought to address with HIS “White Zion,” with HIS “White Archipelagoes.”

      If it’s near perfect then what accounts for its curious unattractiveness to the target market?

    106. alex Says:

      My concept has been proven, every time a White family leaves an area that is less White, to an area that is more Whiter – yes, “Whiter and Brighter.”

      No, that doesn’t prove your concept. It merely proves whites don’t like muddy California. They won’t even admit they’re moving for racial reasons, let alone responding to Covington’s call. And if your Great Theoretical Framework or whatever the hell it is is so great, why don’t you pitch it door to door? If some shit religion like Jehovah’s Witnesses can draw flies, surely your perfect analytical framework will prove even more attractive. Why hound people over the internet who have failed to respond to 1000 virtual appeals?

    107. alex Says:

      Is there any reason, why the money question is anathema?

      The money problem is a government problem. It takes 50% of white man’s income in taxes. It debases the 50% it lets him keep through inflation. The technical solution is allowing currency competition, which ZOG does not, and, well, dismantling ZOG, and not rebuilding it when we take power. We don’t need an AOG any more than we need a ZOG. We just need a racial defense umbrella. White men are fully capable of making the money they need to live if it isn’t taken from them by the government.

    108. alex Says:

      Recently I read an article about how the Amish have begun a quiet migration from the traditional Amish country in Pennsylvania to rural Maine. I’m not going to spend a half-a-page going into why the Amish are getting out of Pennsylvania, but I find it very interesting where the Amish decided to move to.

      The Amish are moving to Missouri too. It’s not a racial thing, it has to do with being priced out of their traditional strongholds in Penn and then Ohio – farmland has grown too expensive as the country has filled in.

    109. alex Says:

      “Winning over the Whites” requires simply allowing them the right to choose to explicitly and consciously organize along Racial lines.

      The quasi-religious mode you operate in much of the time is not productive. It’s mostly just confusing. There might not be a ZOG in your head, but there is in real life. That ZOG wil not allow you or Harold to exclude niggers from your community. It will thump you if you try. So WTF are you talking about?

    110. alex Says:

      As a resident of New England, I often wondered why the Northern parts of NE weren’t considered a better place for a “white homeland” than the NW. I mean, it is Whiter here than the NW (the three “Whitest” states in the USA a couple years ago were Vermont, NH, and Maine) and there is industry, history, and the winters are cold enough to keep most of the muds away.

      The obvious reasons are:

      1) terrible weather
      2) no jobs
      3) comparatively unfriendly locals, even if they’re white

      As for the idea that cold weather keeps muds away – I never understand where this fantasy comes from. Go to Chicago. make your way around the southern rim of the lake, all the way to Kalamazoo. Go through Gary, South Bend, wherever you like. All kind of snow. All kinds of cold. All kinds of mud. The muds simply haven’t gotten to rural New England yet, but it’s not because they hate cold weather – any more than we whites do.

    111. alex Says:

      A bunch of starving Mormons led directly to the Creation of a Nation – “Our Beloved Deseret” – and THAT Nation became a very successful nation within the American State.

      Let’s put on our thinking caps and try to conceive some of the diffs between the Mormo-s then and us now.

      1) easy transportation anywhere on the continent
      2) huge gigantic monstrous and overwhelming federal government
      3) global media to report any new thing that pops up, like a successful white community that hasn’t been diversified yet
      4) ‘civil-rights’ laws that forbid your community from locking its front door.

      Is that enough, or you need another twenty?

    112. Adam Says:

      alex Says:

      Nevertheless, I think you’re ignoring the other side. For example, I was a print publisher and writer in the years before the Internet went public. It is 1,000,000x more onerous to publish ideas before the free distribution of the Net. So technology cuts two ways. I just flat don’t believe that technology has inherent effects. [...] I don’t think there’s anything inherent in technology that forces us to live a certain way, or under a certain form of dictatorship. I think to say that is simply to veil the money interests and political problem.

      The force of the global technological system to compel change in human culture, and through that, ultimately to change human genetics, derives both from the nature of technique and human nature. There is a Darwinism to the growth of the technological system. Each new innovation that persists represents an increase in efficiency, and a relative loss of efficiency to those who do not adopt it. It certainly is true that in some theoretical sense people could decline to participate in the technological system or decline to accept its innovations. For example, if they chose — and if they were otherwise than they actually are — people could choose to live the life of ascetics. Yet because most people are not ascetics, they are forced to accept the changes the technological system imposes or lose out in their life struggle to others that do accept them. So you are correct that there is a freedom to reject the technological system or certain of its innovations, but the price of embracing that freedom is failure or death. It is simply human nature that most will reject these alternatives. As an example, let’s allow that whites may be best suited from a genetic point of view to flourish in small, agrarian, libertarian-style democratic republics such as Jefferson envisioned, except that unlike the historical example he set they would be racially pure states. How then did we get from there to here, our current predicament? Each step of that was taken was dictated by the development of the global technological system. First, because it would increase their ability to exploit the land, the white planters felt they had to import niggers. If free white laborers would have been more efficient, I’m sure they would have used them, but they didn’t. Anyone using them would have lost the eternal competition with his neighbors for MORE – more money, more power, more land, more prestige, more women, etc. In other words, what happened was an interaction between white racial and cultural predispositions of that time and available technology — the state of development of the technological system. Again and again this same scenario has been repeated in American history. Starting in the 1880s, to fill labor needs and expand the population base, large numbers of Jews and Eastern and Southern Europeans began arriving. This didn’t happen for no reason, or some arbitrary reason. It was compelled by the expansion of the technological system. It was felt that the country needed more people, and regrettably, our ancestors weren’t too choosy about whom they let in. In today’s America we face the Mexican invasion. Even if we agree with MacDonald that the Jews were the proximate cause of breaking down the previous immigration system, at the current time non-white immigration has many bases of support. Churches support it, big agribusiness supports it, small business supports it, the education system supports it, the health care industry supports it, government workers support it, etc. — and they all support it mostly not because of propaganda, but because it is seen as to their power and economic advantage to do so. The propaganda, if anything, is an afterthought, a justification for what they want to happen anyway.

      This growth is all non-arbitrary. Each step taken is dictated by the previous ones, and is inevitable and compelled, given human nature. Nor can one arbitrarily return to a previous state. This is why I think it is vain to believe that, barring a complete collapse of the global technological system, ZOG will disintegrate into small, libertarian ethnostates. Despite occasional retrenchments, the clear trend of development of the technological system throughout the modern era has been to move to larger and larger units of economic and demographic size. This explains the EU, NAFTA, and the ongoing North American merger with Mexico, and Central and South America. These accretions are taking place because large economies in large countries (or blocs of countries) with a large resource base have an inherent Darwinian advantage in the struggle for dominance among nations. Even at its current size, some other countries or blocs of countries have the potential to dominate the US, and that is why it must continue to grow. If the US did break up into such small states, and they were truly independent, they would be unable to compete in such a world and would be gobbled up by larger, more powerful states.

      The bottom line is that such tendencies to accretion and assimilation are inherently destructive of race and culture, and especially to the most highly technicized of races, the white race and its culture. Yet all over the world, throughout history, the same paradigm of technological growth has been followed: Economic relationships between nations/races -> Political relationships between nations/races -> Social integration of the respective nations/races -> Genetic integration of the respective nations/races. The expansion of the global technological system is relentless and totalitarian in effect, and aggressively takes a role in destroying cultures, nations, and races.

    113. alex Says:

      Churches support it, big agribusiness supports it, small business supports it, the education system supports it, the health care industry supports it, government workers support it, etc. — and they all support it mostly not because of propaganda, but because it is seen as to their power and economic advantage to do so.

      If your theory were correct, those institutions should have supported open borders before 1965. They didn’t. As KM shows, it was jews alone who pressured for open borders, to serve their ethnic interests.

    114. alex Says:

      If the US did break up into such small states, and they were truly independent, they would be unable to compete in such a world and would be gobbled up by larger, more powerful states.

      Germany is about the size of two US states. Switzerland is even smaller. Both are able to compete globally. You are completely misreading history. Look around you – government is failing in every possible way. We have big government en route, possibly, to global government, not because it is logical, necessary or inevitable but because certain interests favor it. For average people, smaller is better.

    115. alex Says:

      It certainly is true that in some theoretical sense people could decline to participate in the technological system or decline to accept its innovations. For example, if they chose — and if they were otherwise than they actually are — people could choose to live the life of ascetics. Yet because most people are not ascetics, they are forced to accept the changes the technological system imposes or lose out in their life struggle to others that do accept them. So you are correct that there is a freedom to reject the technological system or certain of its innovations, but the price of embracing that freedom is failure or death.

      No white group has grown faster than Amish, and they utterly reject new technology. They’re not theoretical in the least, they’re real. Nor are the failures. Nor are they dead. The most you can say consistent with facts is that capitalism naturally wants to expand its markets. But, this can be constrained politically, and has been for most of the US’s history. Of course we had immigration – we had an unpopulated continent. But we didn’t have globalization and multiculturalism and open borders until the new rulers put new rules in in the sixties.

    116. exalted grand-master oberführer double diamond jim! Says:

      No shit a lot of people aren’t responsive. We’re still trying to reach all we can, whether that’s one percent, 12% or 98%

      i’m being rather generous with my “15%” estimate…..Pierce could not conceive of any-thing over 5% of white adults;

      but: i’m including, in that figure, white adults who, when “the crunch” comes are either almost WN or highly sympathetic to our goals!

      the remaining 10% apropos my other estimation of ¾ of the white adult population would be, again as per Pierce, those who possess extremely valuable white genetic traits (exmpl: “nordic-ness”) and extremely useful skills/talents;

      You give WN control over tv, what Americans “think”say and do will change 180-degrees virtually overnight

      uhh…..how so?

      the jew brain-washing of white people has been too deep for too long….getting temporary control of the MSM could not hope to make a significant dent in that any time soon….just consider, for example, how many white adults (as a per-capita figure) believe the hoary old ½-truths about WWII, Hitler & “the Holocaust”…..under our current ZOG “mind control matrix”, once a white adult reaches 25+, it’s very difficult indeed to substantially change their thinking….not impossible, mind!…..but, simply, very difficult…that, no doubt, is how Pierce arrived at his “5%” figure!

      *i’m not changing my presentation style/format to suit you or any-one else….it’s designed to attract “attention” as per in-yr-face ‘advertising’….if you don’t like it, then, don’t read my post(s)*

    117. alex Says:

      The expansion of the global technological system is relentless and totalitarian in effect, and aggressively takes a role in destroying cultures, nations, and races.

      There is absolutely nothing inevitable about any of it. You’re confusing political choices of interested minorities with laws of technological development. Wrong. Israel is merely one example. China is another. The Amish are a third. The question is why you are trying to deflect attention from the little man behind the curtain onto some neo-marxist universal-law-that-aint.

    118. alex Says:

      his “5%” figure!

      Pierce’s figure is how many adults have the genetic capacity to see through mass-media lies to the solid information he was disseminating. If you control the mass media, ie govt and tv, you can reach almost the entire population, since it doesn’t think and more or less parrots what it thinks it is supposed to believe. If WN corresponds to the facts, and there is no pressure, as there is now, to disbelieve those facts, then people will relax and allow the evidence of that comes in through their eyes to penetrate their brains and emerge from their mouths.

    119. exalted grand-master oberführer double diamond jim! Says:

      Pierce’s figure is how many adults have the genetic capacity to see through mass-media lies to the solid information he was disseminating

      perhaps…….

      my understanding of what Pierce said was that “5%” was the total amount of white people who, under the present circumstances, would embrace hard-core WN….“The Turner Diaries” was, i believe, based, pretty much, on that assumption……

      i’v inflated that “5%” figure to 15% to allow for current socio-political circumstances, including the expansion of the internet, the recent Global Financial Crisis (and its repercussions), the increasing incidence of psychopathically savage black-on-white hush crimes (a la Christian/Newsome) and the election of a black Prez’…..none of which were clearly foreseen by Pierce!…..and to take into account the increasing % of white adults who, as a result of the above, are, at the very least, sympathetic to our claims!

      even if we achieved total control of the MSM (an unlikely prospect any time in the near future seeing as how even the WN presence on the internet is, compared to the MS sites, still very small!), i doubt that figure would increase substantially…..maybe, to ¼ of the adult, white population but, certainly, no more!

      the common fallacy/invalid assumption that seems to underpin most current WN “thinking” is that political power can be achieved through some kind of “mass awakening” and “mass uprising” of the White Race!

      history teaches us that political power is almost NEVER! reached by such route(s)!

      in almost every historical instance, political power has been SEIZED!….by some form or t’other of coup d’êtat….(usually during a period of massive socio-economic upheaval!)…..even Hitler achieved total political power by this method (not having achieved a democratic majority!)….and it is, also, more or less, the premiss of “The Turner Diaries”!

    120. Michael Crew Says:

      I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO MY RACE!
      AND TO THE WHITE MEN AND WOMEN WHO WORK TO KEEP IT STRONG PURE AND PROUD.
      AND I PLEDGE ALLEGENCE TO THEIR WHITE CHILDREN THAT THEY MAY KEEP STRONG PURE AND PROUD!

    121. Antagonistes Says:

      Alexander the Great is the father of universalist culture and its accompanying alienation. Empire, or the pursuit of it, seems to backfire and the culture of the dominated flows into the culture of the empire-builders, fragmenting society.

      The Romans, of the Republic, were patriotic and Rome-affirming, but the Roman Empire had the same effect as the Hellenistic empire–strange and alien cultural streams flowed into the Roman civilization, and people were alienated.

      I don’t think Christianity can be fingered as the culprit; it had nothing to do with the problems of empire-building. Rather, it was trying to offer a remedy based on interior values.

      The Greco-Roman philosophers offered a similar spiritual remedy, one based on interior values, rather than race.

      The State, not the religion, is the power that should guard the integrity of a people’s genetics.

    122. old dutch Says:

      “OD contradicts himself when he says that all you have to do to win Christian Salvation is “believe” in Jebu….Except if you do it as a Catholic. Don’t Catholics also believe in Jebu,”
      ———
      Roman Catholics who “believe” in Jesus Christ will be saved too. By the same token you cannot work your way into heaven—that’s the part of it you Roman Catholics don’t get. Lots of Protestants don’t get this simple fact either anymore; many Protestant churches have been “Romanized” into a belief in salvation by works. This is why there is all of this universalist & interventionist nonsense that gets criticized so roundly here as being “Christian” in origin when it is actually Roman Catholic in theology & political policy.

      None of you can deny that Roman Catholics in Congress are voting as a unit with the Jews in Congress for open borders and high rates of legal immigration. The Roman Catholics also vote as a unit with the Jews in Congress on any legislation benefiting Israel and the Jewish agenda. This is a political fact of life—look at any vote on those issues.

    123. Kuda Bux Says:

      alex-

      Adam above is a follower of the christian-marxist-economic determinist Jacques Ellul

      “Jacques Ellul (January 6, 1912 – May 19, 1994) was a French philosopher, law professor, sociologist, lay theologian, and Christian anarchist. He wrote several books about the “technological society” and the intersection between Christianity and politics, such as Anarchy and Christianity (1991)—arguing that anarchism and Christianity are socially following the same goal.

      A philosopher who approached technology from a deterministic viewpoint, Ellul, professor at the University of Bordeaux, authored 58 books and more than a thousand articles over his lifetime, the dominant theme of which has been the threat to human freedom and Christian faith created by modern technology. His constant concern has been the emergence of a “technological tyranny” over humanity. As a philosopher and lay theologian, he further explored the religiosity of the technological society.”

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Ellul

    124. Hoosier Says:

      A musical interlude:

      http://tinyurl.com/ydjjaoc

    125. Kuda Bux Says:

      The homeschoolers don’t hate government schools in principle. If the schools were christian, they would favor mandatory attendance laws.

      In 2002 I signed a petition to separate school and state (the late Marshall Fritz’s group in Fresno). One of their meetings had two rooms- one for believers, and one for the rest.

      They hate to-day’s system only because they don’t control it.

    126. Irma Grese Says:

      alex Says: There is absolutely nothing inevitable about any of it. You’re confusing political choices of interested minorities with laws of technological development. Wrong. Israel is merely one example. China is another. The Amish are a third. The question is why you are trying to deflect attention from the little man behind the curtain onto some neo-marxist universal-law-that-aint.

      …..BINGO.

      As for the Northwest Republic thing: it is a nice idea, but only ONE idea. There is NO ONE ROYAL ROAD to our race’s salvation. There are MANY things Whites can do where they are with the resources at hand! That’s why I hate to see all the energy wasted on infighting among WNs. Save that hate for the ENEMY.!

    127. Tom McReen Says:

      “So many whack-O’s with their peculiar pet-beliefs. Actually it’s more annoying than amusing.”

      You and ‘repeat after me Jewsus was a Jew’ BS give that same impression.

    128. Tom McReen Says:

      “His constant concern has been the emergence of a “technological tyranny” over humanity. As a philosopher and lay theologian, he further explored the religiosity of the technological society.”

      He was right to be concerned but is tech-tyranny the inevitable result of having technology or the outcome of having jews in charge?

      I wonder if an all-White society would want to build databases, biometric ID and have CCTV cameras perched high on every street corner.

    129. Tim McGreen Says:

      Unlike you, McReen, I am capable of discussing many subjects. Also unlike you, I don’t wait for someone I don’t like to post something and then jump all over it with the same tired old accusations.

      You are such a dreary person, McReen. Having you at a party must be like dragging a dead horse into the middle of the room.

    130. Tom McReen Says:

      “I don’t wait for someone I don’t like to post something and then jump all over it with the same tired old accusations.”

      True. I’ve seen you jump on new, unknown posters because they posted something ‘reactionary’ or ‘Christard’.

      “You are such a dreary person, McReen.”

      You should be used to dreary by now having teamed for so long with fellow monomaniac BS.

      “Having you at a party must be like dragging a dead horse into the middle of the room.”

      If I dragged a dead horse into the room would it upset your Injun ancestors?

    131. Thom McQueen Says:

      Why do we have to be subjected to the spats of Tom McReen/Tim McGreen?

      Come on, guys.

      Embrace your Scots/Irish Celtic commonalilty.

    132. New America Says:

      in considered reply to alex, and others:

      I am not speaking of Harold Covington’s Northwest Republic as the one and only way that all must join.

      I am saying it is the best Analytical Model for the Race so define the social order that best serves the Race, regardless of where it is physically located.

      There are many arguments for the Northwest Republic in and of itself, and Harold Covington has discussed them elsewhere.

      I see all that Covington has written as being the barest of foundation outlines for a new nation, and a new Racial Homeland. His proposed model Constitution deals with the organizational issues a national Constitution must deal with. (You DO know that the Constitution is simply a corporate charter, don’t you? Good.)

      The Northwest Republic’s Constitution is an example of what I call the Northwest Republic Analytical Model, a way of LOOKING at the obstacles we see in America, and trying to transform them into opportunities to make a Racial Homeland, starting with the single person who BELIEVES it can be done, and extending outward, to, in time, transforming a People into a Nation, the Living Foundation of a Nation-State that is based one One Imperative: IS THIS BEST FOR THE RACE?

      That’s why the Northwest Republic is so important as an Analytical Model.

      STARTING with Race, it moves forward to address all issues anew.

      The Patriotards and CONsetvatards accept all too many of the premises of their Racial Enemies all too easily, in their commentaries.

      They lose the argument before they start.

      The overarching theme that unites all of the Patriotards is “Restoring the Constitution.” You ask them which Constitution, and why, and you get silence.

      Pre or post Fourteenth Amendment?

      It transpires that they have simply taken a means to an end – corporate organization – and made it an end unto itself – a model for reorganizing the social order along the lines of, what, the landed aristocracy of 1791? 1823? 1859? 1865? 1913? Name it, and you will still be wrong.

      At best, national constitutions are tools for corporate organization, and have no life other than that which is bestowed upon the governed by the governors.

      Personally, I like a melding of Covington’s Northwest Republic Model Constitution, and the Constitution of Switzerland, but that’s just me.

      Another issue often addressed is control of “money,” more explicitly the power to remove a debt-based fiat currency from our system.

      Great idea!

      Now, what you choose to replace it with – why not, say, energy as the backing of a digital medium of exchange? – opens infinite choices to us, which is what any social order that supports the Creative Race MUST do, if only for the sake of our Posterity.

      THAT is the sort of thinking that opens to us when we accept the open-ended opportunity to build a new nation, for our Posterity.

      THAT is one small example of how the Northwest Republic Analytical Model works.

      Remember what Linder said about politics; we are allowed to ratify one of two choices that have already been made for us.

      Again, Metzger’s Metaphor of being trapped in a transparent glass revolving door comes to mind.

      How to escape from running in the circles chosen for us by our Racial Enemy?

      BREAK THE FUCKING GLASS!

      What then?

      Act as if you, your choices, your Life, was the Living Foundation of a New Nation, in a Racial Homeland.

      The Purpose Of Judaism is The Genocide of the White Race.

      We Have A Duty To Our Racial Destiny.

      We are not the last of a dying breed; we are the first, and best, of a brave new world.

      Take Control Of The Destiny That Is Rightfully Yours.

    133. Adam Says:

      alex Says:

      Churches support it, big agribusiness supports it, small business supports it, the education system supports it, the health care industry supports it, government workers support it, etc. — and they all support it mostly not because of propaganda, but because it is seen as to their power and economic advantage to do so.

      If your theory were correct, those institutions should have supported open borders before 1965. They didn’t. As KM shows, it was jews alone who pressured for open borders, to serve their ethnic interests.

      Yet if we accept MacDonald’s narrative, whites DID support open borders before 1965, because as you say above, “we had an unpopulated continent.” We have the Jews and Southern and Eastern Europeans arriving from 1880 to 1924, in part to fill up all that empty space, at which time our ancestors began to realize they were making a mistake. But by that time, the damage had been done. The Jew was in, and already starting to assume control of the culture. Further, the economic pressures were still there in the background. We must note that large numbers of Mexicans were allowed to invade the country in the 1950s, and they had the support of white institutions.

      From wiki:

      … Eisenhower had a sense of urgency about illegal immigration upon taking office. In a letter to Sen. William Fulbright, Eisenhower quoted a report in The New York Times that said, “The rise in illegal border-crossing by Mexican ‘wetbacks’ (rooted from the watery route taken by the Mexican immigrants across the Rio Grande) to a current rate of more than 1,000,000 cases a year has been accompanied by a curious relaxation in ethical standards extending all the way from the farmer-exploiters of this contraband labor to the highest levels of the Federal Government.” [Emphasis added.]

      But since you are a champion of the notion that there is no inherent necessity to technological development, I think you must agree that the USA could have remained small, sparsely populated, and virtually all white if it had truly wanted to. The “compulsion” to import niggers came from an interplay of the white American elite’s genetic predispositions to increase their economic dominance — in other words, from their human nature, as it interacted with the available technology of the day. They simply did not care enough about the bad side effects of using this economic technique to let it stop them. Likewise with the “compulsion” to let the Jews and the Southern and Eastern Euros in. To justify it by saying we had an unpopulated continent only masks the primarily economic causes behind it. And similarly with the Mexican invasions of the 1950s and today. The farmer-exploiters referenced in the quote above could have chosen to make less money, but, unsurprisingly, they didn’t. Even if the Jews started the immigration avalanche in 1965, the non-white immigration invasion now has a widespread constituency, and there are powerful economic reasons for it to continue. That is also why we see it happening all over Europe.

      As an economic technique, growth is inherent to capitalism, and capitalist enterprises that don’t grow are soon dominated and swallowed up by those that do. Likewise with countries and their economies. Since capitalism is the engine of the economic systems of the West, and has been for centuries, a clear picture emerges that is one of the growth of the global technological system under capitalism interacting with white genetic predispositions (what we could call “a will to power”) in such a way that, short term, such immigration trends benefit them individually, while long term, it spells the death of their race. And about that, the elites and even the vast majority of whites simply did not care. They didn’t care then, and they still don’t.

    134. chubby Says:

      “In the midst of silence, there
      was spoken within me a secret word.

      But where is the silence,
      and where is the place where
      the word is spoken?

      “It is in the purest thing that the soul is
      capable of, in the noblest part,
      the ground…

      “Indeed, in the very
      essence of the soul which is the
      soul’s most secret part.”

      –Meister Eckhart (13th century German mystic)

    135. ED! Says:

      LICKETY-SPLIT, is that French for oral sex???

      ED!

    136. alex Says:

      The homeschoolers don’t hate government schools in principle. If the schools were christian, they would favor mandatory attendance laws.

      That’s probably true for some, but not all of them.

    137. alex Says:

      *i’m not changing my presentation style/format to suit you or any-one else….it’s designed to attract “attention” as per in-yr-face ‘advertising’….if you don’t like it, then, don’t read my post(s)*

      This is the kind of ego problem that is still too common in our movement. If you really cared to persuade anybody, you would make your comments readable and take a normal name. But you’d rather fume and steam.

    138. alex Says:

      I wonder if an all-White society would want to build databases, biometric ID and have CCTV cameras perched high on every street corner.

      Some would, some wouldn’t. If we had a bunch of microstates, both ways could be tried. In the last few years, there has certainly been a rise in community disgust with, say, endless traffic cams. I hope that at some point the majority will simply say enough to these endless control mechanisms. But their mere existence will be a standing temptation to would-be tyrants, that much is true.

    139. alex Says:

      Maybe one hidden reason tyrants love diversity is that muds bring so much crime with them that they reduce the white population’s resistance to technical controls over everybody.

    140. alex Says:

      New America, perhaps you can answer these questions. Being a big Covington fan and all.

      1) Why does Harold invent conversations starring himself, and attribute them to existing people who never said any such thing and don’t appreciate seeing their names abused for the sake of publicizing a fat liar?

      2) Why do you so frequently invent quotations and put them in my mouth?

    141. alex Says:

      As an economic technique, growth is inherent to capitalism, and capitalist enterprises that don’t grow are soon dominated and swallowed up by those that do.

      No. Not even close. Plenty of businesses are small and local and never grow or want to. You’ve latched onto a wacky theory and ignored all counter-evidence. The Mexican braceros were lettuce pickers. They were seasonal, and Eisenhower wound up rounding them up and exporting them in Operation Wetback. The jews tried to open our borders in 1924 but failed. They succeeded in 1965. If what you say were true, there never would have been any resistance. But there always was and still is. It just doesn’t have any political representation. There never has been and never will be a time when most Americans don’t vote in favor of border control.

    142. alex Says:

      The Northwest Republic’s Constitution is an example of what I call the Northwest Republic Analytical Model, a way of LOOKING at the obstacles we see in America, and trying to transform them into opportunities to make a Racial Homeland, starting with the single person who BELIEVES it can be done, and extending outward, to, in time, transforming a People into a Nation, the Living Foundation of a Nation-State that is based one One Imperative: IS THIS BEST FOR THE RACE?

      Do you seriously imagine anyone knows what you’re talking about?

      Seriously – if your idea is great (I think you ought to aim lower at intelligible for the time being), then go out and sell it to 25 locals. Get the to buy in, start tithing your White Analytical Model church, and buy a headquarters. The grandiose, quasi-religious language you use is off-putting and unintelligible.

    143. Adam Says:

      alex Says:

      If the US did break up into such small states, and they were truly independent, they would be unable to compete in such a world and would be gobbled up by larger, more powerful states.

      Germany is about the size of two US states. Switzerland is even smaller. Both are able to compete globally.

      Germany is a good example of my law of size. It lost the Second World War, ultimately, because it was demographically too small, and didn’t control territory with enough resources. Its army, though superior man for man, was finally overwhelmed by Soviet numbers. As for the Swiss, though it’s all relative and it might be legitimate in some sense to say they compete globally, they are simply not in the same league with big countries (empires, really) like America, China, and the FSU. Neither is Germany, and that’s for one reason. Both countries are too small.

      You are completely misreading history. Look around you – government is failing in every possible way. We have big government en route, possibly, to global government, not because it is logical, necessary or inevitable but because certain interests favor it.

      Yet how are global problems to be solved if not by global gov’t? You aren’t denying that there are global problems, are you? Technical systems all require careful regulation in order to produce the desired results, and this is as true of the global technological system as a whole as it is of any of its component parts. At this point in history, nation states are bumping up against one another in their competition to exploit the resources of the planet. Cutting down the rain forests of Brazil would adversely affect the weather in the rest of the world; pollution of the oceans, or disturbing their ecology by overfishing them, could cause mass starvation, especially in the poorer nations; mercury put into the air in China by its power plants will drift over North America and descend in the form of acid rain, polluting the land and killing its forests; overpopulation in the third world threatens the environment all over the earth, etc. Many more examples could be given of actions taken in one section of the globe affection people in a far distant quarter, almost an infinite number.

      And it’s not just that there are certain problems that can only be solved on a global basis, but also the continued expansion of the technological system itself will ultimately demand the harnessing of resources on such a basis. A task such as a Mars mission or a lunar base is way too large to be financed by an individual or any single corporation, and will probably require the pooling of resources of several nations. And this is a trend. Technical systems as they grow become ever larger and more complex. It’s very clear that some necessary technological tasks of the near future could well require the pooled resources of the entire planet. Cleaning up the oceans or the atmosphere, the prevention of overpopulation, the control of the spread of diseases, and many more things that are necessitated by the expansion of global commerce are all examples of this. How to achieve it without some kind of global gov’t? A laissez-faire, libertarian approach simply won’t work for problems of this size. I conclude that global gov’t is an inevitable result of the expansion of the global technological system.

      For average people, smaller is better.

      Average people, increasingly, are adversely affected by the growth
      of global technological system. On that point we can certainly agree. Human beings were evolved under natural conditions, and have a built-in aversion to the requirements of technological civilization. They don’t like the regimentation, but they do like what they perceive as the good things it brings them. To continue getting those things, probably what will happen is that they will have to be re-engineered to better accommodate the demands of the system. In fact, such a re-design is already in its beginning stages. The destruction of culture and the destruction of race is a part of that.

    144. New America Says:

      in further reply to alex:

      You made an excellent point.

      Hopefully, I can offer an excellent reply.

      I wrote:
      My concept has been proven, every time a White family leaves an area that is less White, to an area that is more Whiter – yes, “Whiter and Brighter.”

      you replied:

      No, that doesn’t prove your concept. It merely proves whites don’t like muddy California. They won’t even admit they’re moving for racial reasons, let alone responding to Covington’s call.

      in reply:
      I never said they were responding explicitly to “Covington’s Call.” (Nice term, that. Mind if I steal it?)

      The Call is from the most obvious manifestation of their Racial Heritage, their Families, who are tired of living in fear, and seek, almost compulsively, a Way of Life that is much simpler, and much better.

      Are more and more families living intergenerationally under one roof?

      Yes, they are.

      It’s a start.

      Once they see what it is like to not have to live in fear, a tremendous amount of energy is freed up to do positive things with.

      Multiply that by millions, and focus that energy in a positive Racial direction.

      you wrote:

      And if your Great Theoretical Framework or whatever the hell it is is so great, why don’t you pitch it door to door? If some shit religion like Jehovah’s Witnesses can draw flies, surely your perfect analytical framework will prove even more attractive.

      in reply:
      The remarkable financial and social success of the Jehovah’s witnesses is something we should learn from.

      One of us did.

      Back somewhere in VNN 1.0, someone – Arch Stanton? – did a piece on starting your own business, or words to that effect. In it, and its successor pieces, he described, using the business model of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, setting up a Racial version of the Witness’s Kingdom Halls, and expanding the model from there, connecting it, in time.

      Something not unlike this is being done in the LDS Church, with their temples, and was done by Brigham Young, when he established settlements about 10 miles – a day’s ride on horseback – apart.

      Something like this is being done, at the microcosmic foundational layer, with the number of “home churches” being planted throughout the Northwest Republic, even now, even as we speak.

      The common theme of home schooling unites them, and allows for a clearly focused legal defense system. In time, this expands out to, say, Patrick Henry university, for the home schooled, and various Church colleges, for those who choose to define their social framework from the Family to the Church, rather than the current system, which replaces the Family with the State-controlled public indoctrination fool system.

      What unites them is Family, which is the organic Foundation of the Nation.

      you wrote:

      Why hound people over the internet who have failed to respond to 1000 virtual appeals?

      in reply:
      “Why plant seeds, Mr. Appleseed? From what I have seen, most of them just die.”

      How many did Pierce attract who were first-rate, out of the how many who heard him on the radio/shortwave?

      How many first rate people do you need?

      What Would William Luther Pierce Do TODAY, if he could start anew, with people like “Jerry Abbot,” Alex Linder, and *ahem* “Others Who Shall Not Be Named?”

      I like to think he would focus on building the foundation of a political force, which could become a cultural counterforce, which could lead to the Foundation of a New Nation, in a Racial Homeland OF OUR CHOOSING.

      I like to think he would say that “White Archipelagos” are too small, too disorganized, too isolated, too easily divided, too easily picked off.

      I think he would use his political organization as the Foundation of what could become a New Nation, with those who were ready, willing and able being able to “Take The Gap,” so THEIR Posterity would have a chance to fully accept their unique Racial Heritage, and fulfill a unique Racial Destiny.

      i even have a name for the Racial religion that would be at the foundation of the Witness-type Church/Kingdom Halls Model put forth in VNN 1.0.

      I would call the religion “Cosmotheism.”

      Starting from there, who knows where it could go?

      Hopefully, it would help provide the platform where our Posterity could walk “Toward The Stars,” so THEIR Posterity would one day walk “Among The Stars.”

      The Purpose Of Judaism is The Genocide of the White Race.

      We Have A Duty To Our Racial Destiny.

      We are not the last of a dying breed; we are the first, and best, of a brave new world.

      Take Control Of The Destiny That Is Rightfully Yours.

    145. Adam Says:

      alex Says:

      As an economic technique, growth is inherent to capitalism, and capitalist enterprises that don’t grow are soon dominated and swallowed up by those that do.

      No. Not even close. Plenty of businesses are small and local and never grow or want to. You’ve latched onto a wacky theory and ignored all counter-evidence.

      What counter-evidence? I see Walmarts replacing mom and pop stores all over the country; chain stores like Walgreens and Rite-Aid replacing local pharmacies. I see chain stores like Home Depot and Lowe’s gobbling up local hardware stores. I see Microsoft and Google towering over their competitors and buying them up almost at will.

      The trend seems clear to me, but if you can produce any evidence of small, local businesses driving out big chains or multi-national corporations, I’d like to see it. Show me a Texas wildcatter who drives out Exxon, or some local hardware store that sells higher quality products at lower prices than Home Depot or Lowe’s, and runs them out of town.

      The Mexican braceros were lettuce pickers. They were seasonal, and Eisenhower wound up rounding them up and exporting them in Operation Wetback.

      Braceros were legal. The article I quoted referred to illegal workers. Imagine, a million a year, even back then!

      The fact that Eisenhower rounded them up and sent them back shows only that there is a conflict between the interests of race and culture and the economic pressures of the growth of the technological system. That’s not something I deny. In fact, that’s my point.

      The jews tried to open our borders in 1924 but failed. They succeeded in 1965. If what you say were true, there never would have been any resistance. But there always was and still is. It just doesn’t have any political representation. There never has been and never will be a time when most Americans don’t vote in favor of border control.

      The interests of the white race and white culture are at odds with the growth of the technological system — a growth which whites generally also see as being in their interest. I’ve never said anything different. People want incompatible things all the time. The problem is here that they want some things a little more than they want others. They don’t care if their race is destroyed, so long as it doesn’t affect their personal fortunes in the short term.

      Oh sure, they’re in favor of control. The Hannity/Limbaugh/Beck crowd of patriotards don’t mind the destruction of their race through non-white immigration, so long as it brings them a profit and it’s all legal. It’s absolutely sickening listening to these moralizing, posturing swine explain themselves. America needs immigration, they’ll snivel … but it has to be legal! They’re not racist at all! No, not them! They know as well as they know anything that “Our strength is our divershitty”…

    146. New America Says:

      in reply to alex:

      you wrote:

      New America, perhaps you can answer these questions. Being a big Covington fan and all.

      1) Why does Harold invent conversations starring himself, and attribute them to existing people who never said any such thing and don’t appreciate seeing their names abused for the sake of publicizing a fat liar?

      in reply:
      I don’t know what you are talking about.

      I don’t know what you are talking about in the second part, either.

      I can’t speak FOR Covington.

      I can speak about his ideas have moved me to realize this:

      We have always set our sights too low, and seem, all too often, to attract a caliber of person to match.

      WHY IS IT that, according to you (very loosely paraphrasing):

      “It’s the damndest thing i have ever seen. We have the best Ideas in the world, and the damndest bunch of people out there claiming to represent us.”

      Another, equally interesting idea, is this:

      If we are so wrong, why is such an effort being made to stop us, and stop us from organizing collectively, at all levels?”

      Perhaps it is because, as you said, “there is no intelligent opposition to White Nationalism.”

      And who knows where that could lead, given competent Leadership?

      you wrote:

      2) Why do you so frequently invent quotations and put them in my mouth?

      in reply:
      I don’t.

      My paraphrasing your words are clearly stated as such, and I try to nail your intent.

      A lot of my quotes are from VNN FTL’s.

      Incidentally, that’s why I attribute what I said to said to you, and try to make clear when I am quoting to the best of my memory, or am paraphrasing.

      All such declarations are made openly, and this is for the purpose of intellectual honesty.

      I never want to quote someone out of context, and that’s why I attribute what I think you said to you – clearly, openly, and honestly.

      Of course, to quote you in a different context, “That’s the moderate position.”

      There are other people I have quoted, and have tried to give credit to them at all times as well, particularly Briseis, and her masterful phrase to define the caliber of person we seem to attract all too often.

      Any examples of where I quoted you incorrectly or inacurately, I would be glad to correct them, and my apologies for not getting it right the first time.

      The Purpose Of Judaism is The Genocide of the White Race.

      We Have A Duty To Our Racial Destiny.

      We are not the last of a dying breed; we are the first, and best, of a brave new world.

      Take Control Of The Destiny That Is Rightfully Yours.

    147. Defunitely 1488 Says:

      “…if they think that any more than 15% max of white adults can become racially aware…”

      Roughly 60M males of age and fit for military service in the US.

      ~65% or 39M are White

      Your 15% of those translates into roughly . . . SIX MILLION.

      “Wait, what?”

      Oy vey indeed.

      *sources:
      cia factbook
      census.gov

    148. Arminius Says:

      New America promotes his pet love NWR regardless of any criticism put up against.
      Adam (nomen est omen!) continues to flog his pet hate “technological system”, never realizing how it merely deflects attention from the real causes.
      The Neandertaler’s stone tools created already a “technological system” which spread through whole of Europe and even Asia. So, shall we return to the paradisic life of pre-Neandertalers?
      Alex, I approve your arguments against these posters as -at least to me- convincing, but I regret (as the next posts soon will show), for them they are effective as water flowing over a duck.

    149. New America Says:

      in reply to Arminius:

      you wrote, in part:
      New America promotes his pet love NWR regardless of any criticism put up against.

      in reply:
      Actually, I support the Northwest Republic as a benchmark by which White Nationalism can define itself.

      Too many of those who self-identify as “White Nationalists” ARE, in the classic formulation of Briseis, “Incompetent Males.”

      Too many look to A Past That Never Was, whether it is the Confederate States of America, or NSDAP Germany, or simply waiting for Sky God Rockwell and Sky God Pierce to return, and the members of The Order return as the young, focused men they were.

      Yesterday Is GONE!

      The Northwest Republic gets past all of the limits of the “single issue/silver bullet” crowd.

      The Patriotards, and their Constitution, “taking America back?”

      Please.

      The CONservatards, and their attacks on the money system and the Federal Reserve?

      Please.

      A track record of abysmal failure should be corrected, and not repeated.

      They won’t change anything, because they have so much invested in their identification with a Fantasy Past.

      And that is the way of Racial Decline, and Racial Death.

      Look at my comments regarding the VNN 1o thought pieces of how we could emulate the remarkable success of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, or how we could develop a money system based on energy as the backing for a digital currency, in a Northwest Republic.

      And I welcome the “criticism” of the Northwest Republic as an Analytical Model.

      I just don’t see much of it.

      I DO see a lot of junior high school, ad hominem attacks on Harold Covington personally, and that’s fine.

      Just to make this interesting, Arminius, what do you think William Luther Pierce would do if he suddenly returned to the present day?

      Why?

      The Purpose Of Judaism is The Genocide of the White Race.

      We Have A Duty To Our Racial Destiny.

      We are not the last of a dying breed; we are the first, and best, of a brave new world.

      Take Control Of The Destiny That Is Rightfully Yours.

    150. Adam Says:

      alex Says:

      It certainly is true that in some theoretical sense people could decline to participate in the technological system or decline to accept its innovations. For example, if they chose — and if they were otherwise than they actually are — people could choose to live the life of ascetics. Yet because most people are not ascetics, they are forced to accept the changes the technological system imposes or lose out in their life struggle to others that do accept them. So you are correct that there is a freedom to reject the technological system or certain of its innovations, but the price of embracing that freedom is failure or death.

      No white group has grown faster than Amish, and they utterly reject new technology. They’re not theoretical in the least, they’re real. Nor are the failures. Nor are they dead. The most you can say consistent with facts is that capitalism naturally wants to expand its markets. But, this can be constrained politically, and has been for most of the US’s history. Of course we had immigration – we had an unpopulated continent. But we didn’t have globalization and multiculturalism and open borders until the new rulers put new rules in in the sixties.

      The Amish are religious ascetics compared to typical modern consumerist, materialist, pleasure-loving American white people. I’m not saying that it’s impossible to have an ascetic group like the Amish, or even a theoretical group of white racists, split off from the herd, reject technological innovation, and go its own way, but the powerful force of the technological system will always try to drag them back in. As you’ve observed, force can and will be used against racist splinter groups to dissolve them. Since the Amish aren’t explicitly racist, in our current cultural circumstances they can fly under the radar a bit. But the fact that they aren’t explicitly racist also dooms them in racial terms. At the very least, if they prosper and grow more successful, I’d look for them to be pressured to accept non-whites into their ranks, just as the Mormons did. In what is rapidly becoming a majority-non-white America, they will likely be targets of vicious persecution. That’s when the failure and death part will come in.

    151. Adam Says:

      Tom McReen Says:

      “His constant concern has been the emergence of a “technological tyranny” over humanity. As a philosopher and lay theologian, he further explored the religiosity of the technological society.”

      He was right to be concerned but is tech-tyranny the inevitable result of having technology or the outcome of having jews in charge?

      I wonder if an all-White society would want to build databases, biometric ID and have CCTV cameras perched high on every street corner.

      Though sometimes it can take a little coaxing, things of this sort always end up being welcomed by the people as “progress”, at least initially. They lower crime and increase order in a society, which itself then tends to increase everyone’s material prosperity. The costs of such “progress” are often not perceived in advance, and in any case will seldom be counted until it is too late.

    152. Irma Grese Says:

      alex Says: Maybe one hidden reason tyrants love diversity is that muds bring so much crime with them that they reduce the white population’s resistance to technical controls over everybody.

      Why I never thought of that before! But you know, it makes alot of SENSE. There are many Constitution-raping laws in place which were originally put there to combat mud crime. Conservatard voters supported them for that reason. They were too stupid to realize that laws aimed first at just one segment of the population could soon be turned on EVERYONE!

    153. New Amerikwan Says:

      I DO see a lot of Harold Covington personalltrack record of abysmal failure and that’s fine.

      a Northwest Republicwon’t change anything,The Northwest Republic is the way of Genocide of the White Race.

      The Purpose Of Judaism is junior high school

      We Have A Duty To ad hominem attacks

      We are not the best,a dying breed;

      Take Control Of The Racial Death That Is Rightfully Yours

    154. New Amerikwan Says:

      in further reply to alex:

      I just don’t see the Northwest Republic as an Analytical ModelLook at Harold Covington with a Fantasy Past.Actually, I support the Northwest Republic as aModel.for“Incompetent Males.and”Jehovah’s Witnesses

      Please.

      We Have A Duty To junior high school

      The Purpose Of Judaism is Harold Covington

      Take Control Of The Racial DeclineThat Is Rightfully Yours

    155. Adam Says:

      Technological development does not inherently transform societies, destroying races and cultures? The assertion flies in the face of the facts.

      As the result of the development of scientific technique, we now have the ability — unprecedented in evolutionary terms — to enjoy sex without producing children. While no one would deny that this has its good points, it has also had some devastating social consequences. Feminism, for one thing, is absolutely inconceivable without reliable forms of birth control. Scientific techniques of birth control have almost single-handedly shattered the male/female bond, something that has been characteristic of human culture for all of recorded history. Society has become atomized. The falling white birth rate, now below replacement level, can also be credited to the widespread availability of scientific birth control techniques, as can the enormously increased willingness of white women to experiment with miscegenation. Falling rates of marriage and increasing rates of homosexuality can also be attributed to the creation — via the existence of these techniques — of a pool of people who love to have sex but have no children and don’t want any. Sex for them has become only pleasure, a lifestyle choice having no necessary connection to reproduction. They live for today and have no connection to the future. The persistence of race, culture, and nation is meaningless for such people. All of these things and more are unintended and unforeseen consequences of only a single area of technological development — scientific birth control techniques.

      But how about the next step, producing children without sex? It’s probably coming soon on a large scale, and is already here to a limited degree. What will that do to culture and race?

      From: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-459075/Children-sex-future-holds-claims-inventor-Pill.html

      Children without sex is what the future holds, claims inventor of the Pill

      Let us take a journey through time to the year 2050.

      Our time machine has landed in the spacious drawing room of Barbara, the 45-year-old owner of a smart advertising agency, and Michael, her equally high-flying husband, in their London townhouse.

      Barbara’s career ambitions have been realised, and she is at the top of her game, wealthy and happily married. The time is right to start a family.

      If she’d had a baby in her 20s or 30s, setting up her own agency — what with all those 15-hour days — would have been virtually impossible. But now it’s not a problem. Barbara simply puts in a call to the baby bank, where her eggs are kept in “cryopreservation”. Barbara deposited them there when she was 20, when they were in their prime.

      [...]

      One might think this Huxleyesque vision of a Brave New World just a few years from now sounds a little fantastical. Yet it is the prediction of one of the world?s most eminent scientists, Carl Djerassi.

      Professor Djerassi is the man who invented the Pill, the first oral contraceptive, which triggered the sexual revolution of the 1960s, and which many would argue changed the face of society and sexual morality for ever ? and not necessarily for the better.

      The Pill gave us sex without children. Now Djerassi has turned that concept on its head. He believes the developed world is heading towards its next cultural revolution — children without sex.

      “It is my own prediction that within the next 30 to 50 years in the Western world, many women, when young, will bank their eggs or ovarian tissue, have them frozen, and use them when they feel the time is right for them to have a child,” he says. “It will become commonplace.

      “The world has changed. The days are past in which women in countries like Britain have economic dependence on their husbands and take care of the children.

      “The days are past when women looked after children and nothing else. Women have careers now. They are better educated, more affluent and healthier on the whole, and many are now living into their 80s.

      “They postpone having children until later and then they forget — or remember too late. Soon there will be nothing to stop a woman freezing her eggs when they are at their healthiest and then using them later on in life.”

      Less than a decade ago, such a scenario would have seemed impossible. But even now, there are indications that Professor Djerassi’s prediction will come true. A handful of babies have already been born using frozen eggs.

      A couple of years ago, freezing and thawing human eggs was a highly-complicated procedure used only as a last resort ? for example, when a woman has been made infertile through cancer treatment.

      There was no guarantee of success because while sperm freezes well, when an egg is frozen, its high water content means the ice crystals that form inside can severely damage or destroy it.

      Egg-freezing techniques are being increasingly refined. A new process called vitrification, in which water is drawn out and anti-freeze chemicals added, is improving success rates to the same level as normal IVF treatment.

      Widespread freezing of eggs, if Djerassi’s prediction is correct, is bound to prove controversial. Is it ethical for women to have children in their 60s? How will the child born using such a procedure be affected both emotionally and physically? Even today we do not know what the long-term consequences of IVF will be on those children it has helped to create.

      And then, of course, there is the question of women choosing to defrost and fertilise eggs without bothering to find a partner to help raise the child. Do we really want science to create a generation of ageing mothers who’ve chosen to corrupt nature for the sake of their careers by having children late in life — with or without a man?

      Djerassi is dogmatic in his rejection of these moral and social concerns. Controversially, he believes advances in egg freezing techniques would be greatly beneficial to the human race. “There are so many unwanted children in the world,” he says.

      “This would be a way of helping to reduce the number of unwanted children. Every child born to a woman who has taken a conscious decision to have a child at that time would be wanted and loved and properly cared for.

      “Is there not something to be said for wisdom, affection and maturity? Why shouldn?t a woman have a child when she is older if the science is there to help her? Nowadays it is not thought peculiar if a man in his 50s or 60s has a child. So should it be different for a woman?”

      [...]

      Djerassi believes putting eggs on ice will have benefits to the health of “babies born to older mothers”.

      Biologically, the ideal age to have a child would be 18-20, after which the woman could go to university and have a career.

      “In those circumstances, society would have to make arrangements for childcare, which it is does not do, so women are waiting till their careers are established and they can afford good childcare,” he says.

      “The problem with this is that the moment a woman hits 35 the risk of her having a child with Down’s syndrome increases four to six times.

      “At that age she has lost 90-95 percent of her eggs, and those that are left are ageing rapidly. Storing her eggs is her insurance policy against the future. I think you will get the odd woman of 60 or 70 who will decide to have a baby, but most will be in their 30s and 40s.”

      But isn’t the idea of mass child production without sex somehow, well, cold?

      “Women, especially, romanticise the moment they conceived,” he says, “but the truth is many don’t actually know. And besides, is it such a high price to pay for a healthy child born at a time that is right for the mother?”

      It is certainly a radical idea, but then Djerassi has always been a radical. History was made in a small laboratory in Mexico City on October 15, 1951, when he synthesised norethindrone, the first oral contraceptive, recognised worldwide as one of the most significant advances in steroid chemistry.

      He was stunned by the impact it had on society: “I could not anticipate the impact the Pill would have. No one really knew that women would accept the Pill so readily.”

      The Pill gave women freedom from the fear of pregnancy and the horror of backstreet abortion, but many see it as a cursed invention that is almost single-handedly to blame for the sexual revolution which brought about — as its critics see it — a wholesale collapse of moral values across the Western world.

      Djerassi does not concur with this damning verdict on the legacy of his invention. He argues that society was changing anyway; the Pill just smoothed the way.

      “The sexual revolution of the Sixties coincided with the introduction of the Pill — the Pill did not bring it about,” he says bluntly. “The Pill came along at the right time, in the same period as hippy culture, the drug culture and rock ‘n’ roll culture.”

      “That the Pill facilitated that direction is absolutely true, but I believe it would have happened anyway. Not as explosively, but more gradually. It would have happened in exactly the same way.”

      And he says it is a myth that everyone started having a lot more sex with multiple partners — that his invention effectively allowed the risk-free one-night stand to flourish as it never could before.

      “Women were having sex before the Pill, but they were getting pregnant and having abortions. The Pill helped to stop that,” he says.

      What about the side effects of the Pill? “There is nothing without side effects,” says Djerassi. “Does it increase the risk of breast cancer? Well, there have been thousands of studies and the question is still debated. But we must not forget that it has been proven that the Pill reduces the risk of ovarian cancer by 50 per cent — that is crystal clear.”

      He has been unable to escape his “father of the Pill” tag, though he prefers to think of himself as the “mother of the Pill”. “In order to give birth to anything, you need three people,” he says. “A father, a mother and a midwife.”

      Djerassi was the chemist who provided the raw chemical ingredients — the “egg”. The biologist Gregory Pincus, who co-ordinated its experimentation as a contraceptive, might be seen as the “father”. And the physician John Rock, who oversaw the first clinical trials, was the “midwife”.

      Djerassi’s invention made him a very wealthy man. Unlike many, he had enough belief in what he was doing to buy shares in Syntex, the small Mexican company where he did his research.

      “They were shares I bought on the open market,” he says. “Other people could have bought them but no one believed in the future of the company, which developed very much because of work that I and other colleagues conducted. We deserved it.”

      [...]

    156. Hoosier Says:

      “Women, especially, romanticise the moment they conceived,” he says, “but the truth is many don’t actually know. And besides, is it such a high price to pay for a healthy child born at a time that is right for the mother?”

      The whole article made me shudder. I can see your point sometimes, Adam. It could be why, these days, I’m trusting tech less, and trusting my instincts more. My instincts work better, and they’re free, so it’s cost effective. I’m not against high tech, but it sure is being warped into some strange forms.

      On that note, and on the same theme, here’s a movie interlude about a techy society gone mad:

      http://tinyurl.com/yfuaksa

      You can download and/or watch for free.

    157. Adam Says:

      alex Says:

      … You’ve latched onto a wacky theory and ignored all counter-evidence. …

      Yes, here is my wacky theory, reduced to essentials:

      1. Other factors being equal, the Big defeat the Small.

      Not an ironclad rule, but whether talking about individual combat, armies, companies, countries, or empires, it’s the way to bet.

      2. The Strong defeat the Weak.

      Those who are strong enough to take what they want usually do so.

      3. The Rich defeat the Poor.

      The rabble occasionally is roused, but even when it happens, things quickly return to normal.

      4. Short-term advantage to oneself is almost always preferred to long-term benefit for the group.

      Humans are pleasure-loving creatures, easily persuaded to accept one candy bar now over the promise of ten later. In making such choices, they are a lot less free to choose than they think. Because people are biologically predisposed to pursue only their individual advantage, the good of the group is most often left to fend for itself.

      5. The tragedy of the commons: Nobody is watching the store.

      The growth of technique is causal, not final. Technological development causes problems, which necessitates more technological development to solve those problems, in a causal chain that never ends. But there is no over-arching plan to it all, no goal. No one knows or dictates the exact form of the next phase of technological development. The technology of the future is only an aspiration. What actually happens is the product of collective human desire in collision with objective reality; where wanting collides with what’s technically possible, what we can do right now.

      Who’s in charge here? Nobody, not even Hymie.

      … The question is why you are trying to deflect attention from the little man behind the curtain onto some neo-marxist universal-law-that-aint. …

      I’m not really denying anything, or trying to deflect attention from anything. I can grant the whole of your case against the Jews, with the proviso that I would insist that the Jew is not the SOLE cause of all change, all problems.

      My view is that the Jew is the current face of the technological system, at least in the West. That makes the Jew like an agent of decomposition in a rotting corpse; or like a catalyst for a chemical reaction. He is the proximate cause of our racial trouble, but the ultimate cause — without which the Jew would not exist, and without which his power would instantly vanish — is the expansion of the global technological system.

    158. Donald E. Pauly Says:

      Tim McGreen Says:

      15 December, 2009 at 1:26 am

      Howdy Doody Says:

      15 December, 2009 at 1:14 am

      Niggers are the lowest for of life on the planet……….

      ———————————–
      Howdy, what about the Aboriginies and the Red Indians? How do they compare with the Blacks?
      ==========
      Lawyers are the real lowest form of life on the planet. They make Jews look good.

    159. New America Says:

      in further reply to Arminius:

      I note your lack of response to my response to your post says rather a lot.

      However, I have asked you to answer a very clean, straightforward question, which says as much about your conception of the future of White Nationalism as Harold Covington’s Northwest Republic does about.

      After you do so, I’ll explain why the Northwest Republic Analytical Model is better than, well, “White Zion’s” White Archipelagoes.

      Again, here’s the question:

      I wrote:

      Just to make this interesting, Arminius, what do you think William Luther Pierce would do if he suddenly returned to the present day?

      The Purpose Of Judaism is The Genocide of the White Race.

      We Have A Duty To Our Racial Destiny.

      We are not the last of a dying breed; we are the first, and best, of a brave new world.

      Take Control Of The Destiny That Is Rightfully Yours.

      Why?

    160. New America Says:

      in partial reply to Adam/”Dietrich,” Controller of the Blackshirt Entity:

      Alex Linder wrote, in part:
      … The question is why you are trying to deflect attention from the little man behind the curtain onto some neo-marxist universal-law-that-aint. …

      you replied:

      I’m not really denying anything, or trying to deflect attention from anything. I can grant the whole of your case against the Jews, with the proviso that I would insist that the Jew is not the SOLE cause of all change, all problems.

      in reply:
      You only mention the Jew – the carrier of the Cultural disease process known as Judaism – whwn you are absolutely forced to, and can not avoid it.

      The rest of your commentary is simply a restating of the philosophy of archaic, neo-Marxist philosophers, which didn’t work for him, and won’t work for us.

      GREAT way to change the topic from Jews, and what they are doing to us, and how they are doing it.

      Having your attack dogs and sock puppets attack a few of us, myself in particular, personally, is par for the course.

      Compared to them, you seem almost reasonable.

      After all, your positions are ones the Jews support.

      Is that why you don’t discuss the jews at all, until Linder absolutely forces you to?

      Is that why you call for the banning of myself and a few others who see through your junior college philosophy major philosophy?

      you wrote:

      My view is that the Jew is the current face of the technological system, at least in the West. That makes the Jew like an agent of decomposition in a rotting corpse; or like a catalyst for a chemical reaction. He is the proximate cause of our racial trouble, but the ultimate cause — without which the Jew would not exist, and without which his power would instantly vanish — is the expansion of the global technological system.

      in reply:
      Yet, you assiduously avoid mentioning the “agent of decomposition in a rotting corpose,” while avoiding discussing the “agent of decomposition” – just what it is that kills the corpse, in the first place.

      Judaism.

      What’s interesting is you can take all of your commentaries, and replace the word “global technology” with the word “Jews,” and come to the same meaning, with much greater clarity.

      Can’t do that, can we?

      I think the foremost argument against your position is this:

      You have advocated the destruction of more the 90% of the White Race.

      How this is any different from the policies of the Jews can not be imagined, as it reduces us to the – wait for it – “precious EIGHT PERCENT” of the WORLD population we are today.

      Now, THAT is a “Cosmopolitan” perspective, a truly Jewish perspective.

      The Purpose Of Judaism is The Genocide of the White Race.

      We Have A Duty To Our Racial Destiny.

      We are not the last of a dying breed; we are the first, and best, of a brave new world.

      Take Control Of The Destiny That Is Rightfully Yours.

    161. Tom McReen Says:

      “Though sometimes it can take a little coaxing, things of this sort always end up being welcomed by the people as “progress”, at least initially.”

      Sandor on VNNF called ‘progress’ a meaningless concept. Jews do use that word a lot.

      “Thom McQueen Says:”

      Oy vey another sock puppet! How many is that now?

    162. Tom McReen Says:

      “The Jews would be able to live out the rest of their lives peacefully and once they all passed away, that would be the end of their accursed race. We could then erase every mention of Jewry from our historical record, as if they had never existed at all. That would necessitate, happily enough, the destruction of EVERY “Holy Bible” and “Diary of Anne Frank”.”

      This was slightly off-topic (second off-topic attack on Christianity in the newer topic pages to boot) so I will respond here: erasing all traces of jews from history is the OPPOSITE of what should be done. The memory of the genocides(s) perpetrated against us by jews need to be kept alive – for future propaganda, to remind of who we are and from whence we came, to reinforce White racial identity which so many Whites lack and to pin an eternal record of the evil of jewry to history’s notice board. There are probably more reasons.

      Troll McGreen is displaying reactionary tendencies, the clever approach would be for us to NEVER FORGET. That’s why there’s a page about the Museum of Jewish Crimes. We will require more than one of those, the sheer volume of jewish criminality against us alone demands it.

    163. Tim McGreen Says:

      Troll McGreen is displaying reactionary tendencies, the clever approach would be for us to NEVER FORGET. That’s why there’s a page about the Museum of Jewish Crimes. We will require more than one of those, the sheer volume of jewish criminality against us alone demands it.

      ……………………………………

      Tom McReen, you have a severe case of JewThink and are too dumb to realize it.

    164. Tom McReen Says:

      “Tom McReen, you have a severe case of JewThink and are too dumb to realize it.”

      If that’s the case then so do all who contribute ideas to the proposed building of the Museum of Jewish Crimes.

      Looks like you missed the irony in my use of never forget. Also one of Whitey’s historical problems is that he invents and FORGETS. Too often.

    165. Blackshirt Says:

      “Thom McQueen”… Ah, another REAL Irish name like “Tom McReen”!

    166. Hoosier Says:

      Fuck this shit. This thread is like the schizophrenic ward of a loony bin.
      Hey, NA, thanks for the book tip, Jack London’s “Star Rover.” So far, it’s a great read.

    167. New America Says:

      in reply to Hoosier:

      Hoosier!

      Damn, it’s good to have you back!

      you wrote:

      Fuck this shit. This thread is like the schizophrenic ward of a loony bin.

      in reply:
      Isn’t that a perfect metaphor for self-identified “White Nationalism” between Pierce and Covington?

      Yes.

      you wrote:

      Hey, NA, thanks for the book tip, Jack London’s “Star Rover.” So far, it’s a great read.

      in reply:
      Jack London was one of US, and you can see it in his writings about Nature – “White Fang” and the rest of his North-themed stories just show how, if you can read between the lines, he is telling us of our forgotten Heritage, and what MUST be done to restore it.

      Thanks, and I’m glad you are enjoying “Star Rover.”

      And people wonder where I got the phrase “Walk Among The Stars” from.

      Thanks again!

      The Purpose Of Judaism is The Genocide of the White Race.

      We Have A Duty To Our Racial Destiny.

      We are not the last of a dying breed; we are the first, and best, of a brave new world.

      Take Control Of The Destiny That Is Rightfully Yours.

    168. Tim McGreen Says:

      I just finished The Star Rover and although I had a few problems with it I too think it’s an intersting book. It wasn’t among his most well-known works, maybe due to its brutal depiction of prison life.

    169. Tim McGreen Says:

      Hoosier, I’ll ask Santa to give you a sense of humor for Christmas.

    170. Z.O.G. Says:

      Herbert Marcuse and the Frankfurt School Jew Marxist intellectuals created the sexual revolution of the 1960’s, not the invention of the pill.

      Adam is full of it.

    171. alex Says:

      Just to make this interesting, Arminius, what do you think William Luther Pierce would do if he suddenly returned to the present day?

      He would be doing the same thing he did for the last 30 years of his life, putting out weekly radio shows.

    172. alex Says:

      The expansion of the global technological system is relentless and totalitarian in effect, and aggressively takes a role in destroying cultures, nations, and races.

      Here’s an obvious refutation – Japan. Aging population. Great need for young workers to support them. Japan, instead of importing Chinese or Africans, turns TO technology. Uses robots and automated processes to make up for missing youth.

      Which simply goes to underline that the operative power is choice manifested by the political leaders. In Japan, the rulers are Japanese, as far as I know, and they want their island to stay that way. In the US, the rulers are jews, and they want to open the borders to the world.

    173. alex Says:

      In the above example, Japan, technology is used to preserve a race rather than destroy it. So the “inevitable” conclusion is that technology is entirely subject to political will and human choice.

      Marketers would love it if they could force tech change on populations, but they can’t do that beyond a limited extent. If the tech doesn’t fit human need, people reject it. If it does, like cell phones, they leap to embrace it.

    174. Hoosier Says:

      “Tim McGreen Says:
      17 December, 2009 at 12:01 am
      Hoosier, I’ll ask Santa to give you a sense of humor for Christmas.”

      Thanks, Tim. I haven’t been such a good boy this year, but maybe with you pulling for me, Santa will give me something better than a lump of coal.

      NA, you, or your nephews might like HAC’s other books, “The Black Flame,” “Bonnie Blue Murders,” or ” Vindictus: A Novel of History’s First Gunfighter.” They are a fast, easy read, and I found them – well, refreshing, compared to the Dean Koontz/John Grisham type schlock that passes for entertainment these days.

      Bye-Bye.

    175. Adam Says:

      alex Says:

      The expansion of the global technological system is relentless and totalitarian in effect, and aggressively takes a role in destroying cultures, nations, and races.

      Here’s an obvious refutation – Japan. Aging population. Great need for young workers to support them. Japan, instead of importing Chinese or Africans, turns TO technology. Uses robots and automated processes to make up for missing youth.

      Which simply goes to underline that the operative power is choice manifested by the political leaders. In Japan, the rulers are Japanese, as far as I know, and they want their island to stay that way. In the US, the rulers are jews, and they want to open the borders to the world.

      Japan isn’t a very good example for your argument. The fact that the Japanese are located on islands, and that the islands of Japan are already overpopulated has worked in their favor in that regard. Also, in their genetic capabilities, whites are quite different from Japanese, just as they are different from Jews. As a racist, you ought to understand that better than anybody. Don’t expect whites to be able to do what the Japanese did, especially in their current cultural context. The racial cohesion of the Japanese, and importantly, what seems to be an innate cultural conservatism, is much better than that of whites. Nevertheless, they are currently experiencing the twin plagues of feminism and a birthrate that has fallen below replacement level just as much as white societies — and again, this isn’t because of the all-powerful Jewish bogeyman, but because it is an inherent effect of having the technological capability to do so, in its interaction with their nature.

      But there is another reason that the example of Japan is bad for you. The Japanese are so disposed to cultural conservatism that they once turned their back on the global technological system altogether and became a closed society during the Tokugawa Shogunate (1603 – 1868). They realized that the inevitable effect of such technology would be to destroy their way of life. During this time, firearms and other western technological innovations were banned. It was only opened up by military force in the nineteenth century, when Admiral Perry’s arrival triggered the Meiji Restoration. They were right about the consequences of being open to Western technology, of course. These technologies completely destroyed their old culture. Where are the samurais now? Where is bushido? Where is honor? In truth, they have abandoned those things and in many ways become only a bunch of little yellow Jews, chasing after shekels, just as most whites are nowadays ersatz Jews.

      The Japanese example provides us with a case-in-point lesson that any revolution against the technological system must be global. If technological society isn’t destroyed on a global scale, then the parts that survive will simply retake the parts that were damaged, and the system will reconstitute itself. You can’t simply drop out of it. If you wish to preserve race and culture, it must be destroyed.

    176. New America Says:

      in reply to Hooiser:

      you wrote:

      NA, you, or your nephews might like HAC’s other books, “The Black Flame,” “Bonnie Blue Murders,” or ” Vindictus: A Novel of History’s First Gunfighter.” They are a fast, easy read, and I found them – well, refreshing, compared to the Dean Koontz/John Grisham type schlock that passes for entertainment these days.

      Bye-Bye.

      in reply:
      It is tragic that I must teach my Nephews to read all over again, after their having graduated from high school.

      The good news is, they are learning by reading OUT LOUD from Harold Covington’s “A Distant Thunder.”

      They are being encouraged to ask questions as they read, and they are questioned on what they are reading, what it means to them, and what it means for the Race.

      I’ll work my way up to Covington’s other works for my own leisure reading.

      Thanks for the heads-up!

      The Purpose Of Judaism is The Genocide of the White Race.

      We Have A Duty To Our Racial Destiny.

      We are not the last of a dying breed; we are the first, and best, of a brave new world.

      Take Control Of The Destiny That Is Rightfully Yours.

    177. New America Says:

      in reply to Adam/”Dietrich”:

      I’ll deal with the part of your response to alex that directly addressed alex’s issues concerning Japan – asian culture in general, as a matter of fact.

      you wrote:

      But there is another reason that the example of Japan is bad for you. The Japanese are so disposed to cultural conservatism that they once turned their back on the global technological system altogether and became a closed society during the Tokugawa Shogunate (1603 – 1868). They realized that the inevitable effect of such technology would be to destroy their way of life. During this time, firearms and other western technological innovations were banned. It was only opened up by military force in the nineteenth century, when Admiral Perry’s arrival triggered the Meiji Restoration.

      in reply:
      Simply, flat-out, wrong on the facts.

      The Tokugawa bakkafu kept Nagasaki open as a port for the foreigners to use, and controlled Western technology.

      Far from banning guns, the Shoguns simply limited the right of possession to their retainers, their samurai, who went to great lengths to become proficient in the use of these new tools.

      If memory serves, the Dutch did very well at Nagasaki.

      Japan was always open to the West.

      as for the Meiji Restoration, how do you suppose the Satsuma Rebellion was so successful, so quickly?

      They played “Adopt and Adapt” with great skill, all the while making sure they had control in accordance with Oriental philosophy.

      How long between the Satsuma Rebellion at the NAVAL defeat of a major Western power?

      “Take the best, and leave the rest.”

      you wrote:

      They were right about the consequences of being open to Western technology, of course. These technologies completely destroyed their old culture. Where are the samurais now? Where is bushido? Where is honor? In truth, they have abandoned those things and in many ways become only a bunch of little yellow Jews, chasing after shekels, just as most whites are nowadays ersatz Jews.

      in reply:
      The samurais remain, acting in a different regime.

      Bushido remains, but is well kept from the eyes of those are “not worthy.”

      As for the absence of “honor,” you must be kidding.

      This is a culture where schoolkids commit suicide (decapitation by railroad wheels at high speed, quite often) for the shame they have brought on their Family’s honor by not doing well enough on intensely competitive examinations.

      As for the issue of Race, Hell, they make William Pierce look like Jesse Jackson.

      The Purpose Of Judaism is The Genocide of the White Race.

      We Have A Duty To Our Racial Destiny.

      We are not the last of a dying breed; we are the first, and best, of a brave new world.

      Take Control Of The Destiny That Is Rightfully Yours.

    178. Tim McGreen Says:

      We should have left the Japs alone. Dragging them into the modern world caused them to become an industrial power that soon went to war against Russia and then us. Ditto with the Chinks. Yet more examples of the White Race’s insatiable need to meddle in the affairs of other peoples.

    179. Ein Says:

      Tim McGreen said: “We should have left the Japs alone. Dragging them into the modern world caused them to become an industrial power that soon went to war against Russia and then us. Ditto with the Chinks. Yet more examples of the White Race’s insatiable need to meddle in the affairs of other peoples.”
      ………………………………………

      Well stated. While on the subject, it’s worthing noting here that Commodore Perry was the son-in-law of August Belmont (born Schoenberg), a Frankfurt Jew who was the American agent (and relative) of the Frankfurt Rothschilds. Coincidence?

      Shortly after the opening of Japan (1854), Belmont/Schoenburg became actively involved American politics and in financing the Civil War (while other Jews [the Erlangers] were financing the other side), with the end result of 620,000 dead American soldiers (on both sides) and uncounted civilian casualties.

      Perry’s wife was Julia Slidell. The Slidells, a wealthy and politically powerful family of New York and New Orleans, had married into the Erlanger [Jewish] banking family of Frankfurt and Paris. The Erlangers, in Europe, were financing the Confederacy. They later owned most of the railways built throughout the AMerican South. Baron d’Erlanger’s first wife’s grandfather was Governor of the Bank of France, as well as French Finance Minister. [Jews have ALWAYS controlled government finances.]
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Slidell
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederic_Emile_d%27Erlanger

      Pennsylvania’s Sen. William Bingham (owner of the land on which Binghamton was built) one of the richest men in America at the time, was a founder of the Bank of North America, the USA’s first central bank.

      In 1785 it lost its central bank status in Pennsylvania due to objections of “alarming foreign influence and fictitious credit”, favoritism to foreigners, and unfair competition against less corrupt state banks issuing their own bills of credit, such that Pennsylvania’s legislature repealed its state charter on 13 September 1785. After a change of party in the legislature in 1786, the Bank of North America was re-chartered within the Commonwealth in 1787. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_North_America

      “In 1813, Pres. John Quincy Adams said that the Presidency, the Capital, and the Country had been governed by Bingham and his family connections.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bingham

      Bingham’s two daughters (both renowned American beauties) married Henry and Alexander Baring, of the Baring bank of London. The Barings were the British monarch’s personal bankers (whose failure caused a sensation just several years ago). One of Bingham’s daughters had been courted (in Philadelphia) by the exiled French pretender who later became King Louis-Philippe of France. Thus, she could have been Queen of France, but she rejected him and chose to marry the banker instead.

      The Baring Bank had been founded in London in 1762 by an immigrant from Bremen, Germany. (They were ALL “German” bankers!) In 1802, it helped finance the Louisiana Purchase, despite the fact that Britain was at war with France, and the sale had the effect of financing Napoleon’s war effort. (!) Wm. Bingham died in Bath, England, in 1804 and is buried there with a large memorial. In the 1820s, the bank of Bering was overtaken by the bank of Nathan M. Rothschild.

      All of the above, the Binghams and the Slidells, married Jews with titles and becamed titled members of the European aristocracy.

    180. Sgt. Skull Says:

      Alex,
      Why do posters keep attacking you at Occidental Dissent?