Genocide: It’s an Old, Jewish Thing
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Now that the cruel Jews have renewed their assault on Gaza – an assault which included killing zoo animals [1], let’s recall that the Jewish or Hebrew Bible (i.e., Deuteronomy and the Book of Joshua in the Old Testament and also in the Jewish tanakh) portrays the mass-killing of gentiles/non-Israelites, and their animals, as a positive thing. Here’s an Old Testament quote about the mass-killing:
“And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.” (Joshua 6:21). The story is that Joshua, a Hebrew leader, killed large numbers of non-Hebrews/gentiles, and their livestock. Joshua’s actions are portrayed as good, and as a commandment from God [2].
Further, how ironic that it was a Jew, Raphael Lemkin, who coined the word “genocide” in a negative light. Apparently, it’s a bad thing when gentiles commit genocide but it’s ok when Jews do it while following a mitzvah, i.e., a commandment from God.
(Maybe all Israeli leaders should be called “Joshua,” e.g., David Ben-Gurion was Joshua 2, Moshe Sharret was Joshua 3, and so forth).
[1] former U.S. president Harry Truman once noted in his diary that nobody, not even Stalin, could top the Jews for cruelty
[2] certain people might doubt that the Old Testament was Jewish, but there need be no doubt. In fact, Dr. William Pierce himself called it Jewish
29 January, 2009 at 8:14 pm
The people of the cooked book are at it again, not only murdering the hapless civilians of Gaza, but butchering the helpless caged animals at the children’s zoo as well. This base evilness is without parallel in any erstwhile civilized nation, and reflects the demented, criminal nature of Israel’s “soldiers”, and the rottenness of the Jewish blight in occupied Palestine itself.
The vile, cruel and wanton destruction of the Gaza Zoo is so outrageous and sickening, that it is an issue that needs to be publicized by any and all means throughout the world. Everyone with a human heart, especially in the western world, needs to see this story. If there was ever an issue that can begin to counter the pervasive influence of organized Jewry, this is it. Let the story fly!
29 January, 2009 at 9:41 pm
If you had the opportunity, wouldn’t you like to go down in history as havingit said of your conquest of Tel Aviv that “And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword?”
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Appeal to Authority
Explanation
An appeal to authority is an argument from the fact that a person judged to be an authority affirms a proposition to the claim that the proposition is true.
Appeals to authority are always deductively fallacious; even a legitimate authority speaking on his area of expertise may affirm a falsehood, so no testimony of any authority is guaranteed to be true.
However, the informal fallacy occurs only when the authority cited either (a) is not an authority, or (b) is not an authority on the subject on which he is being cited. If someone either isn’t an authority at all, or isn’t an authority on the subject about which they’re speaking, then that undermines the value of their testimony.
Example
(1) Marilyn vos Savant says that no philosopher has ever successfully resolved the problem of evil.
Therefore:
(2) No philosopher has ever successfully resolved the problem of evil.
This argument is fallacious because Marilyn vos Savant, though arguably an authority, is not an authority on the philosophy of religion. Her judgement that no philosopher has ever successfully resolved the problem of evil therefore carries little evidential weight; if there were a philosopher somewhere that had successfully resolved the problem then there’s a good chance that Marilyn vos Savant wouldn’t know about it. Her testimony is therefore insufficient to establish the conclusion of the argument.
30 January, 2009 at 2:32 am
I think Marilyn vos Savant is a douchebag.
30 January, 2009 at 2:33 am
Talking of non-violent genocide, Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president of Jewish descent recently advocated this unambigously from a quote in the Brussells Journal.
“Recently Nicolas Sarkozy announced plans to pursue a vigorous policy of diversity and métissage. Concretely, this means giving preference to minorities in job hiring and prosecuting those who do not comply. In other words, affirmative action as a government policy from which none are exempt.
In his message Sarkozy insisted that the French people must change, that there will be dire consequences if they don’t, and that not to intermarry racially is bad for the survival of the country. Thus he amalgamated the concepts of preference for minorities in job hiring with that of the need for the French to intermarry racially.”
The above article might warrant a thread in its own right.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3764
30 January, 2009 at 2:44 am
Sarkozy is a Hungarian Jew. How’d he get to be the King of France? And I think the Emperor of Italy, Silvio Berlisconi, is a you-know-who, too. All the telltale signs are there (ne Solomon Berlinsky?).
30 January, 2009 at 9:27 am
The jew’s tribal god, their fearsome desert deity, commands them to kill and destroy all ‘idolators’, that means YOU whitey.
Some Christians out of their reverence for the Old Testament foolishly believe they share a fraternal bond with jews. Get this dangerous misconception out of your head! Jews hate and despise Christians more than they do Muslims.
The recent physical damage inflicted on Gaza is nothing compared to the cultural, psychological and spiritual wreckage they have wrought on the White world during the past century.
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30 January, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Wow, Socrates, I’m glad you covered the subject of the Old Testament here in this blog. I haven’t seen it mentioned before. So many WN’s shy away from exposing the evils of the OT for fear of offending mainstream Christians and the Christian Identity types.
By the way, Christopher Jon Bjerkens has several EXCELLENT articles about this on his website if you’re interested. I’ll paste the links.
30 January, 2009 at 12:10 pm
The Universal Enslavement of the Non-Jew: The Ancient Jewish Plan for World Domination Found in the Old Testament
http://jewishracism.blogspot.com/2008/12/universal-enslavement-of-non-jew.html
30 January, 2009 at 12:11 pm
The Universal Enslavement of the Non-Jew, Part 2: Jewish Supremacism in the Torah Proper
http://jewishracism.blogspot.com/2008/12/universal-enslavement-of-non-jew-jewish.html
30 January, 2009 at 12:12 pm
The Universal Enslavement of the Non-Jew, Part 3: The Genocidal Jewish God Commands the Jews to Exterminate the Goyim
http://jewishracism.blogspot.com/2008/12/universal-enslavement-of-non-jew-part-3.html
30 January, 2009 at 12:12 pm
The Universal Enslavement of the Non-Jew, Part 4: The Genocidal Jewish Prophets
http://jewishracism.blogspot.com/2008/12/universal-enslavement-of-non-jew-part-4.html
30 January, 2009 at 12:13 pm
The Jewish Desire to Exterminate Non-Jews
http://jewishracism.blogspot.com/2008/10/jewish-desire-to-exterminate-non-jews.html
30 January, 2009 at 12:14 pm
The Jewish Genocide of the Palestinians
http://jewishracism.blogspot.com/2009/01/jewish-genocide-of-palestinians.html
30 January, 2009 at 12:16 pm
So the next time some stuttering gold peddling crypto-Jew in the “alternative media” lies to you, while struggling unsuccessfully to speak in complete sentences, and claims with the Chutzpah that only a Jew can manage, that the Torah is vastly different from the Talmud, Cabalah and The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, quote him a few words from his Old Testament hate literature and ask him to explain the difference.
30 January, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Great links to the scurrilous ‘Old ‘Testament’ hate literature, Z.O.G. !
The machinations of the Habiru Sagaz revealed; for those able to see and think, that is.
30 January, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Interesting to note that in the movie WarGames, the password to access control of the WOPR computer, is Joshua. WOPR stands for War Operations Planning Response.
Joshua was the name of Professor Falken’s son who had died when he was a young boy. Professor Falken created WOPR.
Also interesting to note that the main character, David Lightman, was played by Matthew Broderick, a half Jew from his mother’s side, making him Jewish according to Hebraic laws.
Perhaps this are meaningless bits of trivia, but it should be noted that the plot of this groundbreaking movie revolves around a Jewish kid nearly kicking off “global thermonuclear war” due to a war simulator/game he hacked into. While ultimately the war game is likened to tic-tac-toe and the world is saved by Professor Falken making them understand that WOPR must learn the futility of “global thermonuclear war” – like tic-tac-toe, nobody wins.
And so we are forced to ask: WAR, WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR?
30 January, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Terrorsaurus: “Perhaps these are meaningless bits of trivia…”
No, it’s fascinating. I had always wondered what thing in common Matthew Broderick could possibly have with his wife, Sara Jessica Parker (whose ugly puss – even with the advantage of elaborate make-up, lighting, hair dye, expensive dental work and plastic surgery — is seen simply EVERYWHERE, in every ad and magazine. You can’t avoid her.) Now I know! Well, well.
And I learned just the other day that Richard Gere, too, is a member of The Tribe. Well, I should have known. They ALL are!
30 January, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Why does the Jewess SARAH JESSICA “Parker” get all the attention (Jews often use fake, generic-sounding last names in hopes of throwing us Goyim off their scent)? I think her Sex in the City co-star Kim Catrall should get all that attention instead. Grrrr!!!!
30 January, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Agreed! But in EVERY photo, she (Parker) is smack dab in the center, is the one in the camera’s focus, and is plainly pushed as The Star. Always. She’s supposed to be this big, hot sex-pot. Yuk!
I saw a picture of her recently, taken candidly on the street when she was out shopping, without makeup and in jeans. Sans the wig and the make-up, she looked like a hag!
Who promoted her into this undeserved position? Does she have an uncle who’s a big-time producer or something?
I first became suspicious of her, several years ago, when she was reading some stories in Yiddish on NPR (I think that’s right, if I remember correctly). I thought that’s strange … how many gentiles read and speak Yiddish?
30 January, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Another one that’s everywhere now is Julia Louis Dreyfus. She’s being promoted all over the place.
30 January, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Old Testament? I spoke at length about this; was anyone listening?
30 January, 2009 at 4:36 pm
This slaughter is revolting to all men of goodwill.
But does anyone doubt that the Palestinians would do the same to the Israelis? Or that the Shia would do it to the Sunnis?
The cruelty of Eastern warfare has been well chronicled throughout history, whether embellished by Old Testament myths or not.
One of the precious gifts of the Church to the West has been the concept of humane warfare. We must not lose it.
We must not lose the gentle grace of the Mother Church and the Holy Fathers.
30 January, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Simple says: “One of the precious gifts of the Church to the West has been the concept of humane warfare. We must not lose it. “
With all respects, I have to wonder if it was the reverse. In other words, was it the gift of the West to the Church?
30 January, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Arch Stanton Says: “Old Testament? I spoke at length about this; was anyone listening?”
Please re-post it. Or, maybe I can find it…
30 January, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Arch says: “I spoke at length about this; was anyone listening?”
No. Where is it? Not above.
30 January, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Woodworker alright…….There is only one type of wood you are working on.
The church, of all denominations, is the root of all evil. The sooner they find life on mars and we can tax the church the better. Hell I never under stood the concept of a holy man decorated in an armed forces uniform. Think about it, if the other side is doing the same someone is bloody wrong. And all religions believe in a mystical being that has not been physically seen since his official comic book was introduced to the unwashed masses all those years ago. The Hindus’ have it won over all the religions. They have thousands of gods that oversee every aspects of life. A great idea. With so many gods one may eventually poke its nose around a corner to be seen .Then the Hindus’ can say our god is better than yours.
But this ramble is not my point.
First we were trying to create a 3 letter word to unite us against the Jew. And now by some miracle (and I use miracle loosely as not to offend the religious right) we now discover that the cunning Jew is hiding among us using our family names. Give me a break.
People get outside and walk among the people. And not just those in your trailer park. Go see the world. Hell just go to another town.
I have posted before. Research your associations and your spending.
Your government gave the world the bailout. And your corpoations flew to the hearings in private jets. And your corporations are still handing out massive golden bonuses. Your government is still funding the Illegal State of Israel against your constitution.
And your people are finding solice in the food coupon lines. Wake up. Even the pesky French can muster a million marches to protest against their Jewish Leader. Quoting others endlessly is good for the alter ego but taking it to the streets is what gets the masses united.
30 January, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Zara Says: Sarkozy is a Hungarian Jew. And I think the Emperor of Italy, Silvio Berlisconi, is a you-know-who, too. All the telltale signs are there (ne Solomon Berlinsky?).
Berlusconi is a media billionaire — TV and publishing. Hmmm. I never thought of that! I don’t know much about Italian Jewish names. But I think they can be very confusing and deceptive, not so clear-cut or obvious as German ones.
Sarko’s Hungarian paternal side is apparently not Jewish. They claim to have been minor nobility. However in the chaos of the wars, and the communist aftermath, all evidence of that seems to be lost, so who knows? I’ve seen pictures of Sarko’s father, Paul. He is a good-looking man, and Aryan looking as well, and so are Sarko’s half brothers (who don’t look AT ALL like him). There is some question whether Paul was his real father. They bear no mutual resemblance to each other whatsoever. Nor did they have any father-son relationship. Paul ignored him, showed no interest in him, and did not raise him. He also divorced Sarko’s mother, remarried and had another (much better looking) family. Sarko was raised by his maternal grandfather, a Sephardic Jew from Salonika (in what had been Ottoman Turkey). Thus, his real father is not really known with certainty, or at least is subject to question.
It’s interesting that Sarko’s 3 wives have all been Jewish. Crypto-Jews, that is, nominally Catholics, but from originally Jewish families — just like Sarko himself.
His latest wife, Carla Bruni (according to an interview with her sister) is from an old Italian Jewish family named Tedesco. According to her, that is a common Jewish name in Northern Italy. They are very wealthy, owning, among other things, the Pirelli Tire firm. (They converted to Christian and changed their name during the war to the more gentile Bruni.) Tedesco is simply the Italian word meaning “German”, but apparently they (the Italians) mistook all Jews for Germans, as Jewish merchants coming over the Alps would have been speaking German or Yiddish during the Middle Ages.
Carla is a very pretty woman, a famous former model, with no recognizably Semitic features. However, I read in an article just very recently that she learned (from her mother) that her father is not her biological sire, as her mother had an affair with somebody else, a musician I think. So, Carla is not a blood Jew after all. I wonder what Sakozy thinks of this, and if he learned this only after marrying her?
30 January, 2009 at 6:04 pm
golly says: “Your government gave the world the bailout. And your corpoations flew to the hearings in private jets. And your corporations are still handing out massive golden bonuses. Your government is still funding the Illegal State of Israel against your constitution.”
Yes, I read that CEO’s were flying into Washington in private jets to ask for bailout money! Corporations are contracting and laying off thousands, while still paying out lavish Golden Bonuses.
The USA is up to its nostrils in trillions of dollars of debt, with the dollar collapsing and the economy going down the drain, outsourcing its jobs, exporting its industry, living on borrowed money from China, but yet – despite all this – we continue to fund Israel lavishly.
And our politicians never saw an Israeli request for more money that they didn’t like.
Is something terribly WRONG in this picture?
30 January, 2009 at 7:47 pm
If you look around at the comments on the web about the israelis killing the animals, there are about 10,000 jews chiming in on all the boards with the same story that Hamas wired the cages with explosives.
We are to believe that a vile group of filth like the jews who shoot children in the testicles, would hesistate to shoot an animal.
31 January, 2009 at 1:28 am
Whoa, there, simple christian woodpecker……Your Western Church is dripping with the blood of White people. Haven’t you ever heard of The Thirty Years War? The English Civil War? The Sacking of Constantinople? The St. Bartholemew’s Day Massacre? Hugenots being burned at the stake? The Crusades? The Firebombing of Dresden? I think our race has had quite enough of your “humane warfare” and your “precious gifts”.
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31 January, 2009 at 2:52 am
The Inquisition!
(Yes, I know the Church didn’t kill them directly; it found them guilty then turned them over to the state for execution.)
31 January, 2009 at 9:09 am
Actually the ‘Spanish Inquisition’, wasn’t such a bad thing. It was mainly a court of racial inquiry dressed-up in religious terminology.
With so many converso jews and moors in medieval Spain the White elite decided it was imperative to examine the ‘purity of the blood’ of many secular and religious office holders.
It was amazing how many moles and subversive types they found.
When Der Tag comes we will have do something similar.
31 January, 2009 at 9:13 am
Zoroaster:
You left out the slaughter of the Cathars, in France, by the Catholic Church.
This is where the famous saying, “Kill them all; let God sort them out!” comes from.
31 January, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Joseph Stalin was a Jew. Joe Djugashvilli (Jewishson) fom Georgia. A Khazar, were over 90% of Jews are originaly from. Converts from the 6th Century A.D. Racial Turkish – Mongols.
31 January, 2009 at 4:27 pm
KarlMillerJr:
Stalin was apparently not Jewish, although granted, he looks Jewish in early photos.
31 January, 2009 at 4:48 pm
The other night at my Bible study some students voiced the same concerns about the violence of the Church.
“My sons,” I told them, “Everything you have said is true. The Church has burned people alive, made war, slaughtered, and tortured. But I would still pick the Church over the materialist maniacs like Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Mao.”
“In the last 100 years, the materialist maniacs have killed far, far more people than the Church did in two-thousand years.”
The Church teaches that this is wrong, and recognizes that some among us have been of the synagogue of Satan.
Materialists cannot make such distinctions.
31 January, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Stalin was NOT Jewish, he was a Tatar of some kind. His first wife was a Jewess, but he got so fed up with her that he finally capped her ass. Actually, Stalin put the brakes on Jewish domination of the Bolshevik government beginning in the late 1920s. Not every mean, ruthless son of a bitch in the world is a Jew, you know.
Simplistic Woodpecker, if your Medieval and Renaissance Popes had access to machine guns, helicopter gunships and other modern weapons of mass destruction, they would have been used without hesitation and without mercy, so enough with your PHONY church piety already.
31 January, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Sounds good on the surface, Zarathustra, but not so.
Most of the people these materialistic maniacs killed were their own people, especially in the case of the Russian and Chinese materialists.
Most were killed by starvation, or a shot to the head, or some other method, the result of which could have been achieved by Medieval means, if so desired. It might have been a bit messier, or slower, but the result would have been the same.
The Church, if it so wanted, could have killed just as many people by the same starvation tactic, or, since they had no guns, a thrust of a sword. IF IT SO WANTED . . .
My point is that it makes no difference how they were killed–either by a shot to the head, or a thrust of a sword–but that they were killed, en masse. So the Church having or not having “machine guns, helicopter gunships, and other modern weapons of mass destruction . . .” –makes no difference.
If Pol Pot orders me to be taken out and killed, does it make a difference if it is done by a .45, or a sword? No. If Pol Pot orders a village to be starved to death, does it matter if the people are kept from leaving by soldiers in tanks with guns, or warriors on horses with swords? No.
And the materialistic maniacs killed far, far more than the false popes and soldiers of the synagogue of Satan.
31 January, 2009 at 8:28 pm
I do believe that Hitler once said something along the lines of “Christianity is a Jewish invention, and Bolshevism is its bastard child.” However you want to look at it, the leadership of both ideologies were still responsible for the slaughter of millions of innocent Whites, and presently encourages the remaining paleface boobies to destroy their genetic lineage by copulating with the endless varieties of shitskins and East Asiatic types.
When that’s over and done with, the few million Whites (I’m being optimistic) that refuse to bed down with animals and Mongolians will be much easier to massacre, since by then I’m sure that Tarantino-level sadism will be considered normal and healthy in Jew-directed One Mud World. Some Whites will inevitably be spared the initial slaughter so that they can be used as circus animals and sex toys before having their skin slowly ripped off.
By that time, “Christianity” will be largely indistinguishable from an African Animist cult, and Communism will simply be the practice of borrowing your neighbors’ females for recreational use. Many people in my father’s church seem to be A-OK with such prospects.
1 February, 2009 at 7:02 pm
According to the Woodworker, no one in Europe ever suffered from starvation or massacres until the “Materialists” rode into town. What kind of an argument is that? Did these “Materialists” wear black supervillain capes and costumes with a big red gothic “M” emblazoned on their chests? Was there ominous incidental music playing in the background as they appeared on top of the hill overlooking the town?
If any institution is “materialist”, it’s the Christian religion. They are always, always, always hitting up their flocks for money. The Vatican alone must have several billion dollars worth of paintings and sculptures, along with billions in prime, tax-free real estate. More scam-artists have made more fortunes in the name of “God” than anything else.
1 February, 2009 at 7:31 pm
“According to the Woodworker, no one in Europe ever suffered from starvation or massacres . . ”
Oh no, I am not saying that at all.
I am sorry if I don’t express myself the easy way some others do (that is one reason why Father Superior steered me to woodworking).
Ah! If my verbal skills matched my God-given (but developed by me under the nurturing care of many European Master Woodworkers and Carvers from my youth!) woodworking dexterities!
Blessings upon you, good Zarathustra! You are stuck with me, as the humble exemplar of European Christianity.
I will continue to blow upon its dying embers (hoping to revive, not the ancient flame, which was for past generations, but a new flame, a flame suited unto the present day, but yet faithful to the Church and a blessing to the European People who supported Her) until the day I die.
For does not the wood influence the carver, as much as the carver influences the wood? Do not the tools guide the carver, as much as the carver guides his tools?
I am blessed, and extend blessings to all.
1 February, 2009 at 9:39 pm
I am going to love the day when the wrath comes down on the jews. It won’t be long. When the stock market crashes and another great depression hits the fan, the hammer will come down on the jews ten fold.
Scream, Scream, and Scream again, jews. Every act of torture and killings will be mimicked. Oh, the fun.
1 February, 2009 at 11:18 pm
“Actually, Stalin put the brakes on Jewish domination of the Bolshevik government beginning in the late 1920s.” – Zarathushtra
Thank you. I’ve tried to point this out many times, and people always try to shout me down. The first of his “show trials” involved the denunciation and execution of Kamenev and Zinoviev, two of the most prominent Jewish Bolsheviks.
We can thank Stalin, in fact, for killing many of the original Judeo-Bolsheviks in his purges (though he did let that vile swine Kaganovich mass murder the Ukrainians). They did pose a threat to his dominance after all.
The early Soviet Union was heavily influenced by Jew agitators. But post-Stalin, the USSR was a very different place. But it was still a tyrannically modernist society that spelled demographic disaster for modern Russia.
2 February, 2009 at 1:06 am
Correct, Mr. Kowalczyk. Many right-wingers and WNs think the USSR was nothing but a Jewish, Marxist playpen from start to finish. Once WWII was over, Stalin didn’t need the Jews anymore and the Jews didn’t need the USSR anymore, either. The Jews began focusing most of their post-war attention on controlling Hollywood and Washington, as well as establishing the Zionist Entity in Palestine. So, the USSR became a lot less Jewish and more Russian and conservative. From 1946 onwards, it was safe for “western” leaders like Churchill and Truman to villify the USSR, since it was no longer a revolutionary Jewish superstate. Besides, a new boogeyman was needed to replace the old Nazi /Jap boogeyman as a justification for keeping the public afraid and under control.
3 February, 2009 at 3:18 am
“And the materialistic maniacs killed far, far more than the false popes and soldiers of the synagogue of Satan.” — Monk
I don’t see what purpose it serves to quibble over HOW MANY victims were killed, as a lesser number makes it more forgiveable, even permissible. That’s a very dangerous line of thinking! (Oh, they didn’t kill a lot; only a few.) A victim is a victim, even if it’s only one. And that’s still a lot, if that victim is you!
Also, your airy dismissals for the crimes of the Church are exactly the same as those used by the Communists in explaining away their failed states and catastrophic experiments: “Oh, those weren’t REAL Communists. They were just misguided frauds and imposters. What we need is a chance to apply REAL Communism.”
Monk ought to read (as someone mentioned above) the history of the Cathars, who were slaughtered, whole cities of them (eg. Beziers, France), to the last man, woman and child. They were hunted down and wiped out. I don’t want to hear anyone say dismissively, “Oh, Beziers was only a small city — not more than 20 or 30 thousand. That really wasn’t too many.” I don’t imagine that would have any comfort to you if you were one of those 20 thousand.
Monk: Your verbal skills are merely a reflexion of your reasoning skills. No offense meant (I have great respect for manual crafts) but maybe your superior was right and you should stick to the woodworking! At any rate, go read some history (and not church history either!), and a good start would be the Cathars.
3 February, 2009 at 3:32 am
“I am going to love the day when the wrath comes down on the jews. It won’t be long. When the stock market crashes and another great depression hits the fan,”– Coup
Just today, I saw that the market fell again and they said that this was the WORST January EVER in stock market history.
“Stalin, in fact, [killed] many of the original Judeo-Bolsheviks in his purges (though he did let that vile swine Kaganovich mass murder the Ukrainians).”– Krys
Wasn’t he linked to Kaganivich by marriage?
3 February, 2009 at 3:33 am
“Oh no, I am not saying that at all.”
Well then, what were you saying?
For does not the wood influence the carver, as much as the carver influences the wood? Do not the tools guide the carver, as much as the carver guides his tools? I am blessed, and extend blessings to all.” — Monk
Huh? Has this answered anything brought up by the posters here? Is this an “answer” at all? Or is this just a convenient way of exiting from the discussion without admitting defeat?
3 February, 2009 at 3:42 am
Zara says: “Once WWII was over … the Jews began focusing most of their post-war attention on controlling Hollywood and Washington”
The USA was Numero Uno then, fat, prosperous and untouched by war, when the Soviet Union was starving and in ruins; and also the USA had not just the wealth but the atom bomb, as well as the world’s propaganda factory. The Jews always go for control of number one, the top of the pyramid. That way, they control everyone else automatically.
3 February, 2009 at 10:12 am
“I don’t see what purpose it serves to quibble over how many victims were killed.”
Friend, I was only responding to Zarathustra’s assertion that the Church would have killed as many people as the modern atheistic materialists, HAD THEY HAD MODERN WEAPONS OF DESTRUCTION.
I disputed this.
Friend gw also asks, “Well, then, what are you saying?”
This is what I am saying, gw: The Church would not have killed as many people as the materialists, even if they did have weapons of mass-destruction. Oh, there would have been a few instances, no doubt, given the fallen nature of mankind. But I would venture to say that, even with the perversity of human nature as a given, the Church would not have killed as many people, indeed, DID NOT kill as many people, IN TWO THOUSAND YEARS, as the modern atheists did IN LESS THAN ONE HUNDRED YEARS.
True, one death is a tragedy, one hundred deaths is a tragedy, one million deaths is a tragedy. Death is tragedy . . . to someone, somewhere. God knows our needs, and our nature. Did not Christ Himself experience the desolation of abandonment, on the cross?DId not our Lord die for the INDIVIDUAL SOUL? Does not each man (or woman) approach the Lion of the tribe of Judah, as AN INDIVIDUAL? So, of course, the Church is concerned, and mightily concerned, with the INDIVIDUAL.
But, again, I am merely responding to Z’s contention that the Church would rank right beside the modern materialists in its destructive urges, IF IT HAD, AT THAT TIME, MACHINE GUNS AND GRENADES.
I do not believe that this is so, because, as I said, it is the MIND-SET of the killer that matters.
Genghis Kahn and his minions killed a huge amount of people and they did not have modern weapons–it was their mind-set that was the deciding factor.
Pol Pot killed a huge number of people; he had modern weapons, but it did not matter. When you have that murderous mind-set, you can kill just as many people with the sword; especially when they are your own peope, and you can execute them individually or in small groups.
Stalin starved a huge number of people to death in the Ukraine. He kept them from leaving. Did he keep them from leaving and getting food by using tanks and jeeps? I don’t know. It doesn’t matter, because when you have a murderous mind-set, you can keep them from leaving by using warriors on horseback with bows-and-arrows!
(I am NOT saying that starvation DID NOT occur in Medieval times. Of course it did. But the Church did not impose massive starvation on people, as the atheistic Stalin did.)
I believe that the murderous, bloody twentieth century was made so by people who had abandoned faith in God, specifically, faith in Christ, as guided by the Holy Catholic Church. They had no respect for the individual soul and its preciousness to the Father.
The Bible says that human nature is deceitful above all things (Jeremiah 17:9); and the Lord said that it is out of the heart, or MIND-SET, that proceed “evil thoughts, fornications, adulteries, MURDERS . . .” (Mark 9:21).
I believe that the Spirit-born man has a new nature, but as Paul said, the “carnal man” is always attempting a comeback, and, sadly, sometimes suceeds, even in the Church.
But, as I said, the CHURCH HAS A FAR BETTER RECORD THAN MODERN, ATHEISTIC MAN.
Again, let me emphasize that the number of people, morally and spiritually speaking, does not matter–I am merely reacting to Zarathustra’s assertion that the Church is “dripping with blood.”
I, in my poor way, seem to be the only person on this website who will don the rusted armor of the ancient knight, and ride forth to defend Her! Yes, the Church has bloodstains, but it is the modern atheistic materialists who are “dripping with blood”!
Concerning my comments that the wood shapes the woodworker, as much as the woodworker shapes the wood: Overly poetic, perhaps, but I was refering the the specifically European brand of Christianity, so precious and immaculate!
Biblical scholars know that the first Christianity was akin to a splinter group, or cult, and did not have much intellectual firepower. God forgive me if I offend, but it was much like Jehovah’s Witnesses, or something like that, in modern times.
But the Europeans took this movement, refined it with the philosophical insights of Plato and Aristotle, molded it with their own genius, blessed it with their own awesome works of art and music, understood it with scholarship, and the Guiding Light and Lover of the Soul of Europe (the Church) was brought forth into a full, glorious blossoming!
Have you, perchance, read “How the Irish Saved Civilization”? It pretty much contrasts pagan Ireland with Christian Ireland. For me, the choice is quite clear.
The Church made Europe, and Europeans made the Church. Or, rather, God gave them the high privilige of nurturing, and even shaping, His Church! The woodworker shapes the wood and the wood shapes the woodworker. The woodworker is the Church.
The Church is the leaven, hidden away in the dough, which has allowed our Eurpean heritage to rise. We are in mortal danger of abandoning that leaven.
3 February, 2009 at 12:46 pm
-Berlusconi is not Jewish (and doesn’t even look Jewish)
-Not everyone you dislike, or with millions of dollars, is Jewish
-The only European nations that have had Jewish premiers are England and France
-Stalin was Georgian, not a Jew, not a Tatar; simple as that
3 February, 2009 at 12:49 pm
I don’t see what purpose it serves to quibble over HOW MANY victims were killed, as a lesser number makes it more forgiveable, even permissible. That’s a very dangerous line of thinking! (Oh, they didn’t kill a lot; only a few.) A victim is a victim, even if it’s only one. And that’s still a lot, if that victim is you!
This is even more “dangerous” in that one could say the same about Jewish victims of WWII. Not that I would, just making you aware of it.
4 February, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Father Monk:
I feel that you and ‘Thustra are talking, and not quite making contact.
It is as if you are both comparing apples and oranges, or talking about something that cannot RATIONALLY be quantified, but you are both talking as if it were.
I would put forth this scenario: IF, as Spengler said, Christianity is the grandmother of Bolshevism, THEN both you and Thustra are both talking about the same family, just different members.
‘Thustra says that the grandmother was bloodthirsty, and you say that, No, No, it was the granddaughter.
But the grandmother and granddaughter have the same genetics, THE SAME ORIGIN, and there is not a nickel’s worth of difference!
(Except that the grandmother says, “There, there, Dear–just believe and do as I say, and you will live for all eternity!” ?)
PERHAPS—they used different tactics, at different times, depending on the circumstances?
I think this fits my paradigm.
4 February, 2009 at 7:12 pm
PS–
The hope you seem to have in the Catholic Church standing up for Europeans appears to be dead, Father Monk.
The Pope has reversed his stand, under pressure from the usual suspects, and demanded that the reinstated Father recant his views that the Holocaust never happened.
The Pope COULD have stood up for his employee and said that the man only doubted the gas-chamber accounts and that the man did not doubt that numbers of Jews were killed.
But he didn’t.
Too bad. You had me hoping.
But please keep posting here. You are one of the more intelligent ones.
4 February, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Sri says: “I would put forth this scenario: IF, as Spengler said, Christianity is the grandmother of Bolshevism, THEN both you and Thustra are both talking about the same family, just different members. Both have THE SAME ORIGIN, and there is not a nickel’s worth of difference!
I think this fits my paradigm.”
I LIKE your paradigm!
PS. And thanks to Monk for his answer.
4 February, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Flemmard, you are wrong. Stalin was NOT a Georgian, he was a Tatar. His family was part of a Tatar minority that lived in the Caucus region. The Georgians today do not regard Stalin as one of their own. They say he did not look or act like a Georgian, and I believe them. Stalin himself said he was an Asiatic.
Simple Monk, would it surprise you to learn that Stalin was originally studying to be a PRIEST? He was kicked out the Seminary for his political activities. Funny how so many people who are raised in a strict, religious environment eventually become radical atheists and revolutionaries, ain’t it?
And with all due respect, thou art are wrong when you say that one million deaths is a tragedy. Like Stalin said, one death is a tragedy. One million deaths is a STATISTIC.
4 February, 2009 at 7:40 pm
ARE a statistic.
4 February, 2009 at 9:26 pm
“Would it surprise you to learn that Stalin was originally studying to be a Priest?”
No, Zarathustra. I am not sure what direction you are trying to take this.
SATAN was originally an angel of light
BIRDS were once dinosaurs (yes, the Church countenances evolution, although directed by God)
PAUL was once a persecutor of the Church
AUGUSTINE was once a playboy/pagan
etc. , etc.
Friend Zarathustra, can you not reply to my post of 3 Feb. 10:12 AM? I spent a lot of time writing it!
Thankyou gw for your acknowledgement of my response.
Sri Sreggin Das (interesting name–I hope you are not dyslexic!)
thankyou for you courteous response.
But I could quote some authority who said that communism came from the humanism of the enlightenment, but, as you said, this argument goes nowhere.
I will be very busy for the next several months and might not be able to post. We have been put on overtime making wooden coffins. That is all I can say at present, but I am overcome with a sadness that will not abate.
Pray for this nation!
A temporary farewell, and blessings to all.
5 February, 2009 at 3:53 am
LOL @ all the Catholics who thought that the Pope and the Catholic Church would actually stand up to the Jews.
Hey, do you guys also believe in the Tooth Fairy?
:-D
5 February, 2009 at 10:17 am
ZOG, it amazes me how you can be so spot-on about how anti-White the Catholic Church is and yet so irrational when it comes to 9/11. I don’t care if there are 75 million websites that claim 9/11 was an inside job or a MOSSAD operation, they still don’t prove anything. And yes, I’ve heard all the arguments for your side and they still come up wanting.
7 February, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Zarathustra, reply to the monk!
Can my champion not answer the bell?
8 February, 2009 at 2:22 am
What? What am I supposed to say that I haven’t already stated 150 times on this site? I think my views on Christianity are rather clear.
And am I really your champion? Gosh, that’s swell!
12 February, 2009 at 7:29 pm
This slaughter is revolting to all men of goodwill.
But does anyone doubt that the Palestinians would do the same to the Israelis? Or that the Shia would do it to the Sunnis?
The cruelty of Eastern warfare has been well chronicled throughout history, whether embellished by Old Testament myths or not.
Actually, read the old testament again. Even the other primitive people of the time and region were outraged at hideous jewish manipulation, violence and cruelty. Their supposed “persecution” has always been blowback for this-no matter which people the Jews tried to screw. I believe that Hebrew even translates from the word “Habiru” which means roughly something like “The cutthroats across the river.”
19 October, 2009 at 6:35 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CALWpLrTTgw