Interesting point about jews-the-problem
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For some time this had troubled me below the level of conscious thought, then finally it crystallized. Perhaps you can think of another example, I can’t. Here’s the observation, concealed in questions:
Is there any problem but jews where there are so many people who leap to tell you that it can’t be addressed directly, but must be handled through a time-taking series of steps? You have to come to knowledge of the jews through “gateways,” we are told. It makes sense to teach people about race apart from jews, we are told. You can’t just leap to the jewish explanation, we are told.
I literally cannot think of another instance, case, or example where someone pretends that the solution to the problem is… not to discuss it.
It is clear to me that the very idea of discussing the jewish problem has itself been jewed.
22 December, 2009 at 2:04 am
The problem, I think, is that most of us know of some nice Jewish dentist or teacher or neighbor who doesn’t seem to fit the “stereotype” of the scheming, covetous, villianous Jew. Our Aryan sense of fairness won’t allow us to just round up every person whose last name ends with “berg” or “stein” or who has a big, hook-shaped honker. We can regard Blacks, Mestizoes and Orientals as being separate from us, but the Jews are so interwoven into our culture, Christian heritage and even our Race that they seem, at least superficially, to be like us.
There never has been any pogrom against the Jews in Amerikwa and that may be due to some lingering vestige of Puritanism/Colonial-era sense of religious liberty and tolerance. Jews are regarded by many White Amerikwans as merely a religion, one that is similar and antecedent to Christianity. So, how could any decent, freedom-loving Amerikwan or other civilized White persecute a fellow White citizen based on his religious beliefs? Or so the thinking goes.
22 December, 2009 at 2:25 am
It wasn’t that long ago that there were “Gentile Only” neighborhoods in the US. Country Clubs, law firms, and many other organizations excluded jews. Their ambient anger at this motivates them to a level which most Gentiles simply don’t understand.
The virtual monopoly they’ve had on the media has resulted in the premise of this thread-”you just can’t talk about it”-being true.
The non stop blather about Hitler and the Holyco$t has been taken to heart by probably 90%+ of Americans. They have been brainwashed to the point that their minds simply aren’t allowed to question the jew or his actions.
I have talked to thousands of Whites about race. Probably 75% are more or less in accord with the notion that racial separatism would benefit Whites. Of these 75%, VITUALLY ALL are completely aghast when the suggestion that the jews are their mortal enemy is broached. This visceral response is the result of incredibly effective conditioning.
Bring up the real purpose of the Iraq war, the jewish control of the fed, the roots of feminism and non-White immigration to most “conservatives” and they automatically recoil from further discussion as if they had been exposed to a hot flame.
I’m not aware of any other subject that has this almost universal response. The “jewish question” is more taboo than any other in the good ole jew ass oy veh
22 December, 2009 at 5:28 am
While I’m completely in favor of speaking about the problem directly, the fact is, jewish influence is so pervasive that it’s hard to come right out to someone who hasn’t studied the problem and say “jews need to be exterminated” without coming off as unhinged. It’s kind of like coming out and saying “the pod people have taken over. We must destroy them!”
So while I personally prefer the direct Pierce/VNN aproach, there is room for approaches that use baby steps. That said, Jar-Jar Taylor and his ilk won’t address the issue at all, and discourage their readers from discussing it, and that is inexcusable.
22 December, 2009 at 5:31 am
typo: approach
22 December, 2009 at 6:25 am
“It’s a distasteful question, but ‘extermination’ is a distasteful concept. Would you care to respond?”
Doesn’t this kind of argument boil down to an inability to seperate between one’s feelings for certain individuals within a race and viewing the problems caused by the race as a whole dispassionately?
I know blacks that I genuinely like, and yet I’m not going to let that blind me to the fact that blacks collectively have had an overwhelmingly negative effect on the white societies they live in.
Some people want to enjoy a juicy filet mignon but they don’t want to have to kill a cow to get it. That’s a sign of immaturity more than anything.
Little jewish girls, little jewish girls… Little jewish girls grow up to be Big Jewish Cunts like Susan Sontag, Sandra Bernhard, Andrea Dworkin, and Madeleine Albright; cunts who, in the case of Albright, think that killing half a million Iraqi children for Israel is “worth it.” But no sympathy for the millions of Iraqi children that have been murdered with your tax dollars on behalf of Israel, eh? (“Oh, but they’re not white,” I hear someone say; well — ding ding ding — neither are jews.)
Anyone who insists on poisoning this debate with images of jewish children is no better than a kike trying to emotionally blackmail us with holohoax propaganda.
22 December, 2009 at 6:26 am
For the record, I don’t consider jews a race; they’re a tribe. But that’s a minor technicality.
22 December, 2009 at 7:40 am
they’re neither!…..they’re an inter-national conspiracy of criminal psychopaths!
22 December, 2009 at 10:33 am
Right, McGreen. I think it’s because, in the minds of Whites, Jews are “White.” It’s hard for them to wrap their minds around the fact that Jews are racial aliens, just like Blacks, but worse. It’s hard for Whites to suddenly see Jews as nation-wrecking freaks. But at the same time, I see Alex’s point. Non-Whites should be thought of collectively, not separately.
22 December, 2009 at 10:37 am
Igor Alexander Says: “For the record, I don’t consider jews a race; they’re a tribe. But that’s a minor technicality.”
I consider Ashkenazim Jews – that is, most Jews – to be a race due to both inbreeding and psychological traits. They act like a race.
22 December, 2009 at 11:06 am
Correction: using government standards, the Jews are, in fact, a race (not merely an ethnic group or tribe):
http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/?p=2658
and also:
http://www.vdare.com/sailer/071216_race_faq.htm
a page which contains the following:
“Q. What’s an ethnic group?
A. The Census Bureau draws a sharp distinction between race and ethnicity, stating that individuals of Hispanic ethnicity can be of any race. The way the federal government uses the terms can be formalized like this:
* A racial group is a partly inbred extended biological family.
* An ethnic group is one defined by shared traits that are often passed down within biological families—e.g., language, surname, religion, cuisine, accent, self-identification, historical or mythological heroes, musical styles, etc.—but that don’t require genetic relatedness.”
22 December, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Ethnic groups’ lousy reputations are their own fault, not ours…
Another trick is when people tell others ‘to keep their politics out of it.’ This is just another trick to stifle discussion of the USA’s real problem-the Jew. What in this day and age is not politicized?
Couldn’t Ted Bundy have said something like, ‘Well if you keep your politics out of it you can see that I was very efficient in my work, blah, blah blah…’ Total Jew cop-out language…
22 December, 2009 at 3:40 pm
The root of it is, as Tim McG said, that Jews = bad is a less than perfect 1:1 correlation (everyone has their “nice jew”), which offends the analytical, scientific mind’s desire for simple, direct correlations. However, the actual functional definition of a “good jew” is one who agrees entirely with the idea that the bad jews need to be dealt with harshly, as the case against them is damning… this greatly decreases the number of “good jews”, since even showing most of them proof of jewish complicity in killing hundreds of millions of whites through war, gulags etc. doesn’t change the view of most “good jews”.
I believe someone “good”, as in a non-enemy, would come to my aid if I could easily be saved, at no real risk to himself. Similarly, if a “good jew” does not come to the aid of the white race when his relatives are trying to kill us genetically, he is not “good”, and no different from an enemy.
22 December, 2009 at 4:19 pm
I read that there were about 150,000 Jewish or partly Jewish officers in the Kreigsmarine and Wehrmacht in WWII. I’d classify them as good Jews.
22 December, 2009 at 4:50 pm
“I consider Ashkenazim Jews – that is, most Jews – to be a race due to both inbreeding and psychological traits. They act like a race.”
You could say the same things about French Canadians, but I wouldn’t call them a race.
Like I say, it’s a minor technicality, and it also depends on how you’re using the word race. Some people use the term a lot more loosely than I do.
22 December, 2009 at 4:52 pm
“Doesn’t this kind of argument boil down to an inability to seperate between one’s feelings for certain individuals within a race and viewing the problems caused by the race as a whole dispassionately?”
An excellent point above alongside several other equally excellent points made in this thread. Yes, just about every White person knows at least one Black, Hispanic, Asian, or Jew who they like and trust and who’s company they genuinely enjoy. I am no different in this respect though I realize the extent and character of what is going on because I look beyond the individual to the aggregate. The “Aryan sense of fairness” as described by another poster above also plays a role in making most Whites shy away from drastic solutions to the problem.
“Well, I know Mr/Mrs. so-and-so and they don’t seem like THAT. They are nice people.”
This expression is in large part what makes our demographic immune to calls to protect their own; the idea that a SINGLE exception completely disproves a plethora of evidence to the contrary. Yes, the unremitting Frankfurt Semitic propaganda and Philo-Semitic sentiment endemic in the wider society in the last sixty years doubtless helps foster inactivity, but remember that it is the Aryan’s innate sense of fair-play, decency, and natural desire to treat everyone as an individual and to think that outsider peoples are inwardly the same as himself, that is being turned against him.
22 December, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Correction: That should be “Frankfurt School propaganda.”
22 December, 2009 at 5:00 pm
“I think it’s because, in the minds of Whites, Jews are ‘White.’”
That is bullshit. I routinely see whites shitting on each other: Francophones bashing Anglophones; Protestants bashing Catholics; Brits bashing Germans; the Irish bashing the British; WASPs taking a dump on Meds; etc. But no one ever bashes the jews or non-whites. There’s obviously more at work here than just “jews look white to people.”
This is also why I’ve started to regard ethnic nationalism as a load of crap; ethnic nationalists don’t seem to care if their grandchildren are mongrels so long as they speak the right language and go to the right church.
22 December, 2009 at 5:06 pm
“I read that there were about 150,000 Jewish or partly Jewish officers in the Kreigsmarine and Wehrmacht in WWII. I’d classify them as good Jews.”
You wouldn’t think that if you saw what some of them went on to do and say after the war. There’s a documentary called Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers where some of these guys are interviewed; they sure don’t come off as ever having been loyal to the Reich.
22 December, 2009 at 5:13 pm
“…the Aryan’s innate sense of fair-play, decency, and natural desire to treat everyone as an individual and to think that outsider peoples are inwardly the same as himself, that is being turned against him.”
See, I don’t believe that; there are plenty of Americans who would gladly bomb them god-dam Ay-rabs back into the Stone Age and who still brag about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And as I said a few posts up, whites can be plenty “racist” towards each other, in regards to ethnicity, national origin, religion, etc.
Whites can be plenty racist; their racism just isn’t being channeled into the right avenues.
22 December, 2009 at 5:18 pm
“An ethnic group is one defined by shared traits that are often passed down within biological families—e.g., language, surname, religion, cuisine, accent, self-identification, historical or mythological heroes, musical styles, etc.—but that don’t require genetic relatedness.”
That’s a weird, very NWO-ish definition of ethnicity, since ethnic groups have, until recent decades (with the attempt to destroy them), almost always had a large degree of genetic relatedness.
22 December, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Here’s the definition of a tribe from dictionary.com:
“any aggregate of people united by ties of descent from a common ancestor, community of customs and traditions, adherence to the same leaders, etc.”
That definition fits the jews like a glove, and it emcopasses everything: biology, ethnicity, and religion.
If you call the jews a tribe, no one can argue with you; you’ve just bypassed the entire tired debate over whether they’re a race, a religion, an ethnicity, etc. The correct answer is, they’re all of these things.
22 December, 2009 at 5:23 pm
typo: encompasses
22 December, 2009 at 6:21 pm
It all boils down to the jew power to enforce their taboos made possible by their media/academic/political stranglehold. It’s a unique level of protection through brainwashing that not even the ex-farm implement niggers enjoy. To ask a White – even one who has some right racial feelings, and who knows the system is rotten – to see virtually every plague killing us as originating from the kike is to ask him to tear down all the firewalls meticulously constructed in his mind from the cradle:
“What about the Holocaust, then? Oh, and JESUS was a jew, remember? Yeah sure, blah, blah, whatever, dude. Hey – Hitler’s flying saucer just landed to pick you up. Don’t forget your tinfoil helmet….”
22 December, 2009 at 9:19 pm
I literally cannot think of another instance, case, or example where someone pretends that the solution to the problem is… not to discuss it.
Whenever powerful interests become committed to a particular worldview, they have a desire to suppress other, competing worldviews. This has oftened happened in the history of science. It bears a lot of similarities to Galileo’s being silenced by the Catholic Church for his advocacy of the heliocentric theory, which opposed and threatened to destroy the doctrinal geocentrism of the Church. Like our modern Holocaust “deniers”, he was arrested, imprisoned, and forced by the authorities to recant. In retrospect, we can see this was a power struggle between the developing modern technological system (i.e., science) and an older technology for ordering human life — the Church and its faith in the supernatural, basically a kind of magic. As we know now, the Church lost. If we can understand why it lost, then we will probably be able to understand how to force discussion in order to make the “Jew-centric” view of the universe prevail over the “evil-white-man-centric” view that is favored by the priests of Political Correctness in our contemporary world; or at least we will understand why that can’t be done.
22 December, 2009 at 11:00 pm
A good Jew is one who has gone home to Israel an stays there. Zionism is the only and Final Solution to the Jewish Question.
23 December, 2009 at 1:11 am
It is clear to me that the very idea of discussing the jewish problem has itself been jewed.
It is difficult to argue with that. However, I believe, apart from It all boils down to the jew power to enforce their taboos made possible by their media/academic/political stranglehold. (-N.B. Forrest) “jewing” has another very important dimension to it. Until now ALL Americans have participated in one degree or another in sharing the fruits of looting the world that became possible largely due to the Jewish genius for financial machinations and economic schemes. Until now Americans at large did not care much if the looting was done to Germans, Russians, or the natural resources of third world countries as long as the standard of living here in America remained high.
The financial meltdown of 2008 and Obama’s (s)election marks a very important milestone of the looting – the Jewish devouring of the world has reached America itself. And nothing can be more conducive to fast-track education of the masses than the rapid loss of standard of living. That’s when people start thinking and looking for answers. Why public consciousness of Germans was much higher in 20s and 30s compared to todays Germans. Can that be explained by brainwashing alone? Why Jew-awareness in Russia today is perhaps highest outside the Muslim world? Think about it.
23 December, 2009 at 1:54 am
Zionism is the only and Final Solution to the Jewish Question.
The above statement implies gross misunderstanding what Zionism is all about. Zionism is not a desire on the part of the Jews to have their own homeland and live THERE. Israel is nothing but headquarters to the Zionist who wants to own the world. The triumph of Zionism is the absolute opposite of Final Solution.
You don’t have to be a Jew to be a Zionist – Joe Biden
23 December, 2009 at 2:23 am
You’re right, Ivan, most Jews have no intention of living in Zionist Occupied Palestine. It’s just meant to be the world headquarters for their Jew Empire. Hitler made that same observation in Mein Kampf, so you’re in good company.
23 December, 2009 at 3:07 am
Spot-on!
23 December, 2009 at 10:20 am
It doesn’t have to be a one size fits all kind of approach to final solution. Some of them who committed crimes against humanity can be and should be exterminated literally just like Stalin did with ALL top Bolshevik Jewish leaders (Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev etc). Many of them who committed serious economic and financial crimes can be and should be put in prison for good just like Putin did in Russia with Jewish oligarchs (unfortunately some of them have escaped, like Berezovsky and Gusinsky).
Undoubtedly, Hitler was a smart fellow who understood the nature of the beast. But his reading of Stalin was completely wrong. He failed to realize the game Stalin was playing and winning against the Jew. Perhaps Stalin was and still remains the only world leader who beat the Jews in their own game ever.
Arguably, Stalin’s reading of Hitler was also erroneous – he overestimated the smarts of Hitler. Up to the June 21, 1941 he refused to heed numerous warnings that Hitler is going to attack and avoided everything that could be interpreted as a provocation while America under ZOG did everything it could to provoke Hitler. Stalin couldn’t believe that Hitler was about to make such an unwise decision.
One could argue that initiating a war against Stalin’s Russia was perhaps the biggest mistake ever by Hitler and the great nations of Germany and Russia paid the terrible price for the momentous mistake that maybe sealed the fate of the West.
23 December, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Ivan, I couldn’t agree with you more. Spot-on commentary. But now, be prepared for the onslaught of condemnations from the “Hitler never did anything wrong!” crowd. I can hear them gathering in the town square at this very moment, muttering their oaths, rolling up their sleeves, lighting their torches and tapping their clubs impatiently on the ground. Here, put on this old lady’s shawl and go out the back door!
23 December, 2009 at 4:32 pm
The left is beginning to use the term “Climate change denier.”
In time, maybe that will give the term “Holocaust® denier” a slight PC flavor too, which would be very helpful.
(BTW, I post on MSM in Knoxville, and never get removed for writing “Holocaust®.” I assume because no one gets it, but I really don’t know).
Following is a post I’ve used over and over on knoxnews.com in hopes that repetition would hammer something in…it uses quotes from mainstream figures…anyone who thinks it useful is welcome to use it.
23 December, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Here’s that post I often use:
The U.S. Congress will give Israel anything it wants, period, whatever the cost to U.S. treasure and strategic interests:
“We fought the supplement and fought it hard. President Reagan and I weighed in personally making numerous calls to Senators and Congressman. The supplement sailed right by us and was approved by Congress as though President Reagan and I had not even been there. I was astonished and disheartened. This brought home for me vividly Israel’s leverage in our Congress.”
(Former Sec. of State George Schultz on page 112 of his memoirs “Turmoil and Triumph.” Scroll down about 1/4 of the page at the following link):
http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:mEFIA8YYJrEJ:www.counterpunch.org/ali02112008.html+Walt+Mersheimer+interview+%22George+Schultz%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
How is that leverage maintained? The Israel lobby has the organization and the money to defeat in the next election any Senator or Representative who opposes their aims (See former Illinois congressman Paul Findley’s book,”They Dare to Speak Out”).
Jimmy Carter also spoke of the power the Israel lobby has to end the career of any Senator or Representative who opposes it:
“…AIPAC. It’s the most effective lobby that I have ever seen,..if anyone wants to be elected or re-elected to Congress it would be inconceivable that they would say, ‘If I’m elected I’m going to take a balanced position between Israel and the Palestinians,’…It would be political suicide.”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003475989_webcarterqanda13.html
One Senator so defeated was Senator William Fulbright of Arkansas, who as a Senator had stated on “Face the Nation”:
‘…the Israelis control the policy in the Congress and the Senate…Somewhere around 80 percent of the Senate of the United States is competely in support of Israel and of anything Israel wants.’”
http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/0495/9504050.htm
Scott Ritter, former U.N. arms inspector:
“The other thing we’re not allowed to do is discuss the notion that Israel, and the notion of Israeli interests, may in fact be dictating what America is doing, that what we’re doing in the middle east may not be to the benefit of America’s national security but to Israel’s national security.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O125hGt9qt4&NR=1
23 December, 2009 at 6:35 pm
No, Ivan, the solution is neither to put them in another country (your misread of Zionism) – YET AGAIN – nor to give them prison sentences. The solution is the disappearance of the jew from the face of the earth forever. Itz what Linder calls “vertical expulsion.” Twelve feet under. That’s what the thread is talking about (n actually it’s about why we don’t talk about it).
24 December, 2009 at 1:50 am
Ivan Says:
Perhaps Stalin was and still remains the only world leader who beat the Jews in their own game ever.
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One could argue that initiating a war against Stalin’s Russia was perhaps the biggest mistake ever by Hitler and the great nations of Germany and Russia paid the terrible price for the momentous mistake that maybe sealed the fate of the West.
Although Ivan has made some thought-provoking points, from a racial point of view it’s hard to agree that Stalin beat the Jews in any sense other than a personal one, and that only toward the end of his life. After all, under Stalin’s Jew-filled regime, millions of Stalin’s own white citizens were murdered by the state’s disproportionately Jewish bureaucracy. Also, Stalin never announced any state policy of anti-semitism (quite the opposite, in fact), and appears never once to have had even the slightest racial feeling for other whites. In fact, for most of his tenure, no matter how murderous his underlings became, Stalin was very pro-Jewish, promoting them to very high positions in the USSR’s bureaucracy. A case in point is the Jew Lazar Kaganovich, architect of the Great Famine. Some say Stalin even took Lazar’s sister Rosa as his third wife.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin's_antisemitism
Stalin’s Jew-laden regime with its official policy of anti-semitism was a precursor of our own American gov’t of today. It might qualify as another example of the kind Alex asked for, and Jew-riddled Weimar Germany as still another. In both countries, Jews had managed largely to take control of the cybernetic resources of the state, and used their power to suppress anti-semitism, just as they are doing today. Direct calls for extermination of the Jews would have been illegal and ill-advised in either environment. Considerable talking around the issue would have been likely in most cases. Fanatical anti-semites such as Julius Streicher were considered extremists even within the Nazi Party.
It’s noteworthy that both in Weimar Gemany and in Stalin’s USSR the Jews did eventually lose their positions of control, although only temporarily. In Germany, the Jews were re-installed by the allies after the defeat of the Nazis, and when the Soviet Union fell, the Jewish oligarchs plundered the country, once again assuming de facto control. This demonstrates that Jewish power and the course of development of the global technological system are separate, but related things. Even if the Jews are overthrown temporarily, the global technological system continues to expand without them, and eventually brings them back. The racially-networked, mass-media-dominating, money-obsessed Jew, with his comparatively high intelligence and skill in international finance, appears to fill an indispensable niche in the ecology of the global technological system. We can conclude that if the global technological system did not have Jews, it would probably find it necessary to invent them.
24 December, 2009 at 1:28 pm
I’m not so sure “not talking about a problem” attends Jews exclusively. The black-white IQ difference still stands as a hard-to-discuss issue — maybe even harder than Jewish influence, even. Walking into a room of black people and saying “well, folks, we can’t get along because you’re all stupid” doesn’t sound all that easy to me, either. People seek ways around that problem that don’t confront it directly, either, like living in a different neighborhood or sending the kids to a different school.
Plenty of bad marriages cruise along because they “don’t talk about the problem.” I don’t turn down a date with a fat chick by saying “you’re fat, no way,” I say, “no thanks.” White families galore don’t mention dad’s alcohol problem, mom’s pill-popping, etc. That could be good or bad, but it’s a fact.
If it’s a reality that Jews are cutthroat ethnic competition for whites, and I believe it is, it’s equally a reality that it’s hard to talk about them openly because of the consequences for doing so. People get fired. They get put in jail. They get spied on, ostracized, you name it. It’s one thing to be brave on behalf of whites, it’s another to be suicidal.
I think it’s useful to talk in terms of political goals for whites. In the short term, I think that’s 1) increased group consciousness, 2) more recognition of racial and ethnic incompatability resulting from inherited differences, 3) unique Jewish threats, 4) open white advocacy on the political, legal, academic levels, etc.
In the long term, it’s racial survival and thriving here on Earth and soaring to the great heights the white race will, all of which is likely facilitated by racial separation. If Jews get in the way of that and have to die, by all means, let their heads be displayed on spikes for all to see.
But it’s damn hard to choke down when that potential — and hopefully AVOIDABLE — consequence of the ultimate goal is presented as the “solution to the problem”, the thing people must FIRST CONFRONT. Convince them of the ultimate goodness and righteousness of whites’ freedom to live unmolested by their influence, and you won’t need to convince anyone of the necessity of violence — it’ll be a given.
I can’t really think of any great, sweeping and noble cause for which the troops were rallied by the “need to kill the enemy”, but rather by the need for strength, freedom and independence for their own people.
I remain convinced that the greater the white group will, the LESS need there’ll be for violence.
24 December, 2009 at 4:19 pm
The central task is breaking up the information monopoly.
24 December, 2009 at 5:28 pm
in reply to Hugh Lincoln:
Thank you for this wonderful little Christmas present.
Your piece is an example of the quality of thinking we have long needed on VNN.
I have a few comments, and will, as always, tie them back to Harold Covington’s Northwest Republic Analytical Model, where this is relevant.
you wrote:
in reply:
Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
Our unwillingness to face OUR weaknesses, personally and collectively, create vast opportunities for our Enemies.
Again, the clear thinking of Metzger’s Insight:
Terrible Tommy Metzger said:
We stopped being better – Aryan, if you will – and the gap was filled by the carrion eaters, who now threaten to overwhelm us.
you wrote:
in reply:
That is a critically important point.
I used to go through a warehouse to get to my office, and the guy in charge of the warehouse read the Carto newspaper, “The American Free Press.”
He asked me what I thought of it, and I mentioned certain aspects of the NSDAP economic transformation favorably, in precise, technical language – no praise of Hitler, no condemnation of the Jews.
Not long after, I was called the Mahogany Row, and told that the local operation was shutting down, and people were being chosen to move to Destiny City. “Of course, there is no room in our company for any Nazi’s, or Nazi sympathizers. Do you know anyone like that?
“Sir, No, Sir!”
I was well respected in our part of the organization, and would lead the “Brown Bag Lunch Talks” on behalf of our team. These were informal talks at lunch where each Section would discuss the latest news in their area of expertise, and how we could use it to make money for the Mother Corporation.
I did not make the cut for Destiny City, and was told by someone I trusted The Management didn’t want “some damn Nazi” coming along.
Hugh, you are so correct it hurts.
The slightest identification with anything approaching a positive Racial focus for the White Race is tantamount to painting a bulls-eye on your chest, and telling one and all, “Shoot for the center!”
We can undo this, but it is the work of damn near Gramscian dedication, and clarity of purpose.
More to follow on that issue, which is not within the realm of achievement of “Incompetent Males.”
you wrote:
in reply:
Great ideas.
Note, however, what Harold Covington said:
“The System is set up to stop us from doing what it is we want to do.”
you wrote:
in reply:
That singularly masterful paragraph is about as succinct a summary of The Problem, and The Solution, I have ever read.
Been reading Jack London lately?
Someone should call Jim Giles, and have him read that paragraph at the beginning of each of his shows.
you wrote:
in reply:
This ties in with Harold Covington, and the phrase he uses to define his overarching Racial goal – a White Homeland.
This ties in with what everyone from David Lane to John deNugent to Jim Giles has called for, and rightfully so.
THIS is the Unspoken Goal of our Race since forced integration began, and it is so powerful a Dream that it, ALONE, called forth the trillions of dollars people invested in creating Suburbia – White, Bright, and Very Right.
you wrote:
in reply:
Another Lincoln said he had no fear of foreign invasion, as not one invader would ever be able to drink one drop from the Ohio River.
The (WHITE) Americans would fight so strongly for their Families that any attempt at invasion would prove cruelly expensive.
And THAT, Dear Readers, takes us to another point of Harold Covington:
“Wars are begun by politicians, and they are ended by bookkeepers.”
We are engaged in a War, yet out opponents adopted the Gramscian Model – burrow with the Institutions, control the Institutions, and transform the Institutions.
That requires us to be singularly devoted to the Race, and the Great Purpose which only WE can fulfill.
The Purpose Of Judaism is The Genocide of the White Race.
24 December, 2009 at 5:59 pm
“Who do I blame for this? I blame US, for letting it happen.”
That’s why the whippies (white hippies) in California overwhelmingly voted for proposition 187.
When judge mariana pfaelzer overturned 187, is that how “we did it to ourselves?”
24 December, 2009 at 7:20 pm
in reply to Kuda Bux:
I wrote, quoting tom Metzger:
““Who do I blame for this? I blame US, for letting it happen.”
you replied:
in reply:
Great question.
No, we did it to ourselves when we stopped acting to defend and expand the West, on OUR terms.
We did it to ourselves when we allowed the Gramscian “salami slice” technique to be tolerated, approved, and supported, particularly in our public Institutions – our Legislatures, and, particularly, the public
“education”indoctrination centers.THEY pushed, and we were not allowed to push back.
When possible, we left – look at how the Mainline Protestant Churches can not find men to attend their services, and that is really what all parties want – - and, where impossible, we tolerated, accommodated, and slowly, quietly, surrendered our Heritage, and our Posterity.
Hugh’s strongest point is this:
Our Enemies Have The Power Over Us We Have ALLOWED Them To Have Over Us.
Remember the Great Insight of Peter Shank:
“They took over America in less than a century, without firing a shot.”
The Way THEY did it is the same Way we can UnDo it.
And, of course, as always, that leads us to Harold Covington, and the Northwest Republic Analytical Model.
The Purpose Of Judaism is The Genocide of the White Race.
24 December, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Hugh Lincoln Says:
In the long term, it’s racial survival and thriving here on Earth and soaring to the great heights the white race will, all of which is likely facilitated by racial separation.
This looks to be some kind of typo, making a not-very-grammatical sentence that is hard to understand with precision. But I take you to mean that racial separation will “likely” facilitate white people “soaring to great heights” — walking among the stars, or whatever. This comes close to the familiar utopian call for a whites-only nation-state, envisioned as just part of a multi-racial, multi-cultural planet where all races and cultures can co-exist peacefully. But what makes you think that a multi-racial, multi-cultural planet will be any more stable than a multi-racial, multi-cultural state? There actually is little reason to think so. Just as the US today seems in many ways poised on the brink of civil war just because of such enforced “diversity”, a multi-racial, multi-cultural planet is a planet in a metastable condition. It’s a prescription for endless war and turmoil, a conflagration just waiting to be touched off.
But such turmoil would inhibit the expansion and smooth operation of the global technological system, which is why it is undesirable from the point of view of efficiency, and why the expansion of that system must inevitably aim at the destruction of the natural distinctions of race and culture.
Here’s the proof: If it’s true that human races and the cultures that arise from them are so significantly different from each other that they can’t be mixed together without explosive problems resulting, then it’s clear that such that racial and cultural distinctions are undesirable and must be eliminated. So long as the global technological system exists and compels the races into contact with each other — and resource competition has forced this and will continue to do so — there are only two pathways by which racial and cultural stability can be attained on a planet-wide basis. The first is conquest and extermination of competing races by the one surviving master race, and the second is co-existence and eventual racial amalgamation — the destruction of separate races and cultures. There is no third choice.
Only if the global technological system is destroyed will the races cease to be forced together. At a lower level of technology, the races can be expected to self-segregate. A return to such demographic conditions as existed before the Industrial Revolution could be anticipated. Only in this way can race and culture be preserved.
24 December, 2009 at 8:03 pm
in reply to Adam/”Dietrich”:
*sigh*
Once again, a lecture based on an unsupported philosophy formed from the minds of dead Frenchmen, given in a manner any community college philosophy major could be proud of.
Once again, a lecture that defines us as helpless victims of historical forces.
How very Judeo-Marxist!
And, how very like you, to refuse to even mention the Jew, or Judaism.
I’ll defend the thrust of Hugh Lincoln’s comments quickly, and allow you to continue to practice the Culture of Critique, while others practice the Culture of Constructive Criticism.
And, in the Spirit of Christmas, I’ll correct your misunderstanding with a Christian Spirit!
Adam wrote, in part:
in reply:
Hardly.
The history of Mankind reveals all too many examples of human races working together, within clearly defined social limits.
Take the Byzantine Empire.
By insuring the Jews were blocked out of finance, education, and government, a very stable Empire served the interests of its members very well, for a very long time.
There are other examples, but one should be enough, for now.
you wrote:
in reply:
“Global technological system” seems to be a synonym for an impersonal Force that crushed all who stand before it.
Nonsense.
Look what Hitler and his economic advisers did with the collapsed economy of NSDAP Germany
He created the needed firewalls.
Your issue is that you seek some sort of Christo-Marxist “steady state” “racial and cultural stability…on a planet-wide basis…”
I don’t want stability.
I want BETTER – much damn BETTER.
Contrary to your deLeuzian delusions, simply creating firewalls can allow the flames of Collapse to burn Outside, while the best continues to develop in a place where none may make afraid, walking confidently Toward The Stars, so that, in time, THEIR Posterity will walk Among The Stars.
Stop worshiping at the altar of failed Frenchmen, and try something a bit more Positive, Masculine, and Western.
Jack London’s “North” body of works would be an excellent place to start, and start to develop the Mindset needed to stop the genocide of the White RACE.
The Purpose Of Judaism is The Genocide of the White Race.
24 December, 2009 at 10:25 pm
I always felt that rebuilding of America is gonna come not from some analytical construct invented by intellectuals from the top but from some kind of
grassroot shoot outs. As the system goes down, we’ll probably see more experiments like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBoQQRxX8i4
I was wondering what’s the racial policy at Twin Oaks; are these good people aware of Jewish problem?
As commenters at this blog probably know very well, there is another little experiment going on down in Mississippi called Giles Shire.
24 December, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Whenever powerful interests become committed to a particular worldview, they have a desire to suppress other, competing worldviews.
That’s an entirely different thing, just conventional suppression. I’m talking about people who see the same problems we do, but advise NOT teaching people the whole full truth in one explanation. That is unprecedented. There’s only basically one step to the jew explanation, but there are many people who claim even the limited amount of education to get people to the conclusion is too much. Apparently it’s too much to explain to people that jews founded the NAACP and pushed for the civil rights that opened white communities to nigger crime, indeed made it a crime for those communities to protect themselves. The dumbest white out there can understand that explanation, it is my contention. I also contend that anyone who contends that jews can only be discussed after fifteen hurdles serve the jews, whether intentionally, like Jared Taylor, or unintentionally.
24 December, 2009 at 11:43 pm
“Doesn’t this kind of argument boil down to an inability to seperate between one’s feelings for certain individuals within a race and viewing the problems caused by the race as a whole dispassionately?”
This inability to separate personal feelings from politics is why WN has failed. Well, it is the #2 reason, anyway. The #1 reason is that white organization is crushed by the System wherever it appears. But if that problem could be got around, the next biggest problem is that white leaders mix WN with conservatism and WHINOism because they like individual conservatives and WHINOs. HUGE problem for our side, and one I will be writing about very soon.
24 December, 2009 at 11:47 pm
A good Jew is one who has gone home to Israel an stays there. Zionism is the only and Final Solution to the Jewish Question.
You’ve said this many times, and it continues to be wrong. Jews don’t want to go to Israel. For good reasons. And if we WN had the power to make them, it would be far smarter to get rid of them. And them bomb Israel out of existence.
24 December, 2009 at 11:52 pm
Plenty of bad marriages cruise along because they “don’t talk about the problem.” I don’t turn down a date with a fat chick by saying “you’re fat, no way,” I say, “no thanks.” White families galore don’t mention dad’s alcohol problem, mom’s pill-popping, etc. That could be good or bad, but it’s a fact.
Again, these are not analogous because either the cause isn’t under dispute or acknowledging it isn’t related to making the problem go away. In the situation of what jews are doing to America we have problems that are acknowledged by virtually everybody on the right but explanations for those causes that are incredibly varied, and most of them squirted deliberately by the real cause to conceal its responsibility. Yet even among so-called white nationalists, when we try to explain to newcomers what’s going on, which is a one-step process, these implicit jew-helpers (regardless of intention they function to help jews) claim it is too complicated, and we must bring them along slowly – which amounts to never. BS. the jew thing is NOT complex. It is easy to convey to anyone. Anyone who says otherwise is part of the problem.
24 December, 2009 at 11:54 pm
I think it’s useful to talk in terms of political goals for whites. In the short term, I think that’s 1) increased group consciousness, 2) more recognition of racial and ethnic incompatability resulting from inherited differences, 3) unique Jewish threats, 4) open white advocacy on the political, legal, academic levels, etc.
No, this is wrong. The way you do it is tell people directly: whites are under attack AS WHITES and the attack comes FROM JEWS. You are WHITE. The enemy is the JEW. The rest just wastes time. It is weak. It is based on demonstrably false premises. In reality, it is just making excuses for conservatives and WHINOs who want to pretend there’s a way to get what we want without risk. Their real motive is collecting donations, not solving the problem. Hence they advocate a solution that protects them and does nothing about the problem.
25 December, 2009 at 12:00 am
Twin Oaks rang a bell. Oh yeah, BF Skinner’s ideas are behind it.
Skinner, the rat who wrote a book entitled BEYOND FREEDOM AND DIGNITY- financed by american taxpayers. The book called for a world state, to be ruled by “scientists.”
“Twin Oaks Community is an ecovillage and intentional community of about one hundred people [1] in Louisa County, Virginia [2]. It is a member of the Federation of Egalitarian Communities.[3][4] Founded in 1967, it is one of the longest-enduring and largest secular intentional communities in North America. Its core values include nonviolence, egalitarianism, feminism, and ecology.”
They welcome communitarians. HW claims to be one of those.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Oaks_Community
25 December, 2009 at 12:00 am
Convince them of the ultimate goodness and righteousness of whites’ freedom to live unmolested by their influence, and you won’t need to convince anyone of the necessity of violence — it’ll be a given.
No. You’re misconceiving the psychology here. People don’t believe the jews’ bs or the System shit put out over tv. They FEAR the consequences of opposing it. You dont win them by proving you’re right, or making a moral case for White or whatever, you prove to them that you will put YOUR NUTS on the line to fight this thing. And only then will they consider joining you. The conservatives, including Kevin MacDonald and Jared Taylor, won’t put anything on the line. Greg Johnson might put his nuts in another man’s mouth, but he won’t even put his own photo and biography online. This is not leadership. This is the safe, profitable, 501c3 faileoconservatism that never has and never will lead anywhere because the participants aren’t serious about their mission.
White people aren’t stupid. They aren’t going to be rallied to their own defense by a bunch of queers, anonymites and high-IQ nerds. They see the same problems we do. Their behavior proves that. But they aren’t going to follow anyone who isn’t serious simply because he writes a nice essay. Whites will only follow real, physical, in-the-streets leaders, and there are precisely none of those available at this time.
25 December, 2009 at 12:26 am
Twin Oaks is part of The Federation of Egalitarian Communities.
See video “Join the Communist Party”:
http://www.thefec.org/
25 December, 2009 at 12:33 am
I’m certainly always open to correction, but it seems to me that the very interesting theoretical discussions above and elsewhere on this site would serve some practical purpose only if whites were already back in power.
In our present circumstance, isn’t the main necessity to present to other whites the many truths that are kept from them, and to present those truths to them over and over and over until those truths become as much a part of their mental furniture as the collapsing chairs of the MSM are?
For the last two years I’ve been posting at knoxnews.com, and in spite of their bannings and other maneuvers, I’ve always found a way to keep my words up there.
What might have been accomplished there if some of the brain power evident on this site had been honing its skills along with me there?
Instead, I was struggling alone against the monitoring staff, except for a few occasional excellent local posters there. (And now I’m about burnt out from the solitary effort).
“You have to come to knowledge of the jews through ‘gateways,’ we are told.”
From the context, I assume Alex is referring to the “Amren kiddie pool,” to the adult pool route.
That can be a long route! What’s wrong with the Israel route, and other routes?
A fair number of mainstream figures have spoken now on Israel’s power over U.S. policy , which gives us an opening. For two years I’ve been posting at knox various versions of the long post quoting some of those figures that I copied above, and I’ve been pleased to see that recently there have finally been other posts on the site that mention Israel’s power.
There are also posters at knox who seem to acknowledge Jewish ownership of much of media. I sometimes use usernames “Who_owns_media,” “Who_owns_finance,” and “Who_owns_government,” depending on the post.
The obvious heavy role of Jews in media, and even in finance, is fairly obvious. If other posters reply, “So what?”, one can ask them why they think they’ve heard so little from their media of what the prominent figures I quoted say about Israel’s power over our gov’t.
Etc. etc….the openings are there, but one has to get out in the mainstream and learn where they are….and it helps if one not only identifies with “the white race” but also with its members, so that you can form friendly relations with the posters who will disagree with you or even abhor you initially, and perhaps forever. I’ve come to have pleasant sparring relations even with the latter.
That’s my take, for whatever it’s worth.
25 December, 2009 at 1:07 am
Alex writes:
“People don’t believe the jews’ bs”
I think the great majority of people believe without the slightest doubt all the Holocaust® bs (even those who are sick of hearing it), and that belief merges into the belief, also held by the great majority, that the Jewish race has been the quintessential INNOCENT victim throughout history (and therefor by implication, presently as well).
And that last belief suffers not at all by any personal experience its holder may have with ACTUAL Jews they KNOW as manipulators, etc.!
And I’ve been most unpleasantly surprised in my posting at Knoxville to discover how even the sturdiest redneck posters there are now all about “fair play”…they oppose affirmative action, and any sort of special treatment, not out of any racial consciousness at all, but just because they feel it’s not “fair play.”
Possibly I’m being naive about their true feeling, but after two years of colloquy with them, I don’t think so.
I agree about fear as holding many of us back…I remain anonymous because I know I lack the strength you apparently have to take the heat.
But I do think the internet is a resource that can slowly affect the terms of discourse, if we will only use it.
25 December, 2009 at 1:58 am
alex Says:
Whenever powerful interests become committed to a particular worldview, they have a desire to suppress other, competing worldviews.
That’s an entirely different thing, just conventional suppression. I’m talking about people who see the same problems we do, but advise NOT teaching people the whole full truth in one explanation. That is unprecedented.
I don’t see a significant difference. The key is, changing worldviews is a big step for most people, especially if there are powerful interests that are resisting that change. Mere ideas (such as Holocaust denial or other minor heresies) may be suppressed without much consequence or trouble, but changing a whole worldview affects one’s relation to everything in the world. In the case of Galileo, changing from the geocentric theory to the heliocentric theory meant that man was no longer at the center of the universe. In a significant sense, it dethroned the existing order; it diminished the Church and man’s place in relation to God. That made the heliocentric theory a real threat, for reasons quite unconnected to its scientific truth or falsity. Likewise with your attempting to replace the “evil-white-man-centric” worldview with the “evil-Jew-centric” worldview. If allowed, it would affect everything and have far reaching ramifications for the existing order. It directly threatens the elites.
Galileo had his supporters. The telescopes he manufactured clearly showed the inconsistencies of the geocentric view. In direct contradiction to the geocentric view, they showed that Jupiter had moons orbiting it, and also showed phases of Venus that were difficult to explain without the heliocentric view being true. One can easily imagine some of these supporters trying to reason with him, “Look, Galileo, you know and I know that the Earth revolves around the Sun, but you can’t just come right out and say that — that would be heresy! First we need some time to prepare, time to reason with the Vatican and show them that when the Bible seems to say that the Earth is immovable, that e.g., “the Lord set it on its foundations and it can never be moved” (Psalms 104:5), and similar passages, that it isn’t to be taken literally. Then, after perhaps only a few years, we’ll be able to bring them around. We’ll also show them some of the good things that your telescopes can do so they won’t be able to just dismiss them as the Devil’s work! Meanwhile, stop it with the Earth goes around the Sun rhetoric. People are beginning to talk! They’re saying you’re against God! That you’re tool of the Devil yourself!”
In spite of the fact that the suppression was successful — he was imprisoned and forced to recant — Galileo’s view still prevailed because the nascent modern technological system was able to deliver the goods in a way the Church was not. Not just the telescope, but all the trends of Renaissance innovation on the run up to the Industrial Revolution supported it. Unlike faith and prayer, the white man’s invention of technology and the scientific method — applied, systematized technique — were a way of getting the same result every time. It seemed to be a clear improvement over the time-honored methods of the Church, which was basically no more than a form of magic. It prevailed because it succeeded in giving people MORE. It was a more efficient means of satisfying man’s desires.
The moral would seem to be that you will prevail when you can do something similar. Can you deliver MORE to the people who side with you? You may say that you will deliver racial survival, but as it happens, they don’t value that very much. They care much more about their own personal fortunes, as the global technological system expands, they see that not valuing it brings them MORE. Further, they see that siding with your “evil-Jew-centric” theory will bring them only a host of cares: ostracism, loss of status, possible unemployment, possible divorce and family breakup, even possible imprisonment. That being the case, they have no motive to change.
25 December, 2009 at 2:48 am
I feel that the main problem is the fact that our women seem to fit right in with the touchy feely love everyone communism mantra. They are also being taught in our schools to compete and win over our young men. Just look around. How many women do you see in positions of authority?
Meanwhile our young men are being denied college and sent to the middle east to be killed. our enemy come right out and tell us that it’s better to kill us over there instead of over here where they (our enemy) might be in danger.
25 December, 2009 at 3:23 am
Adam writes to Alex:
“Can you deliver MORE to the people who side with you?”
If billions of dollars weren’t being spent on warring for Israel in the Middle East, “more” could be delivered to people in the form of reduced taxes or less debt for their offspring.
Israel’s control of our policy in the Mid East is a weak point that can be attacked, because prominent mainstream figures that ordinary people will give some credence to have referred to it and can be quoted, as I gave examples of above.
Persons with Alex’s strength could teach it publicly, and the rest of us fraidy-cats could keep posting it over and over at some chosen website.
It seems to me we should be discussing concrete steps that can be taken. Alex put forth a very interesting idea in his radio interview with Jim Giles recently (is there a thread on that interview here? Navigation of this site is impenetrable to me), that relates to his post above 25 December, 2009 at 12:00 am.
I’d like to discuss that post, but I’ll wait until I get responses, if any, to what I’ve already put out in posts above.
25 December, 2009 at 4:24 am
hdumpty Says:
Adam writes to Alex:
“Can you deliver MORE to the people who side with you?”
If billions of dollars weren’t being spent on warring for Israel in the Middle East, “more” could be delivered to people in the form of reduced taxes or less debt for their offspring.
That’s certainly true that it could be, but I suspect that such a reward is too uncertain, and not enough to compensate for the risk. There’s nothing to guarantee that any savings would not just be squandered on niggers, or some other nonsense.
By MORE I mean concrete things that provide an immediate reward to the individual, that will move someone in the direction of the new worldview without necessarily immediately abandoning the old worldview. An increased amount of material things, fame, money, reputation, etc. would fill that bill. The scientific worldview exemplified by the heliocentric theory triumphed over the geocentric worldview supported by the Church with its numerous rewards — employment, high status, money and creature comforts — primarily because the science of which it was a part also had immediate benefits that were perceived to bring its believers MORE. Nevertheless, this abandoning of the old worldview took place slowly. Fully two centuries elapsed between Galileo’s condemnation for heresy and the Church’s finally dropping all opposition to the heliocentric theory.
Once a worldview becomes entrenched, it is difficult to dislodge. There are a lot of benefits that get distributed or withheld according to whether one accepts it or not. The beneficiaries of a worldview fight like demons (or Jews!) to hold onto it, and in science at least, the new worldview doesn’t fully triumph until the old guard has died off.
25 December, 2009 at 10:56 am
I’m telling you guys!!! You keep talking about symptoms, but the only way we can solve the problem is to turn our women in the right direction. Right now women are following the Jew mantra of “EVERYONE IS THE SAME” and “DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH”. There is this woman that threatened to shoot me because i told her that BHO was just another puppet. I don’t know the answer other than to keep preaching the truth. Many people reject it but once in awhile you snag a truth seeker.
25 December, 2009 at 10:57 am
AND KEEP YOUR NOSE CLEAN!!!
25 December, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Adam:
So what do you think WNs as activists should presently do?
25 December, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Adam (or anyone):
Also, did you listen to Gile’s interview with Alex, and if so, what do you think of Alex’s main suggestion during the interview.
Another question: Do you think the rally in Knoxville a couple of years ago, in particular Alex’s words, were effective…if so, why; if not, why not, and what changes would you suggest for possible future rallies (aside from us all growing big ones and showing up ourselves)?
25 December, 2009 at 12:31 pm
That makes 3 questions.
25 December, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Oh, BTW, Merry Christmas to everyone!
25 December, 2009 at 1:01 pm
The rally is good but did not get much coverage. We need to keep talking about everything. Get the word out. Strive to tell the truth. Have something to back up what you are talking about. All the people that have a hand in destroying us always make mistakes. Point it out right away before they have time to cover up their mistakes.
25 December, 2009 at 1:04 pm
They are relentless so we have to be relentless. Be very carefull what you say though.
25 December, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Another thing that helps is to learn to be a cameleon. Blending in with different types of people. You have to make them feel comfortable before they will listen to you.
25 December, 2009 at 1:34 pm
“Whites will only follow real, physical, in-the-streets leaders, and there are precisely none of those available at this time.”
So the process of writing, speaking, and changing white minds is worth nothing? Anyone who’s engaged in that – under pen names (like Jack Handey? or whatever the name used for the “beanbag right” essays) – should shuffle away? Kevin MacDonald’s a target of an attempt to get him FIRED from his job by the SPLC through a month-like stakeout by Heidi Beirich — as well as faculty attack — but he’s “put nothing on the line”?
This is just crazy. The record says otherwise. You want Kevin MacDonald to jump over a police barrier and get arrested? Is that the best use of his talents? If you march in the street and nobody knows what you’re marching about, you look like a clown.
You’re putting yourself in a position where nobody knows exactly how to please you — “let’s see, I’d like to meet the Alex Linder standard of bravery, but I can’t quite figure out what the fuck that is… it looks like I need to put “Death to the Jews” on a T-shirt and march with a bullhorn shouting the same thing. But I’ll be damned if that just doesn’t seem… you know… like me.”
But upon reflection, there’s nothing very “manly” about going slack on how to be a white activist and letting Alex Linder write the script for you. You may just create an army of determined white activists despite yourself.
25 December, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Norsk Says:
“The rally is good but did not get much coverage.”
I assume we’re both speaking of the rally in Knoxville, and I think I disagree that that rally was good (I’m not sure, and I’m putting my ideas out to hopefully be commented on. Though I imagine…I hope…this is old, old territory for everyone here except myself).
My only exposure to Alex has been reading his piece on women in the WN movement (tremendous fun to read, and probably has some truth in it), his interview recently by Jim Giles, and youtube clips of his words at the Knoxville rally.
As a writer and interviewee, I find him wonderfully engaging and extremely likable, but I thought he was a terrible speaker at Knoxville. I think he could be an excellent speaker, if he were of a mind, and of a temperament, to present his arguments in a way that would draw his audience to attend to his words instead of be repelled by them.
An almost immediate reference to “Big Jew” doesn’t exactly warm the crowd up for what follows. His strongest point as a crowd catcher was IMO his reference to the innocence that radiates from the boyfriend/girlfriend pictures of Chris and Channon (I’ve posted at knoxnews on that crime for two years, and never thought of working off of that point, but I surely will now…those pictures of Chris and Channon occupy a large place in the mind of everyone in Knoxville)…I wish Alex had led with that, and framed it with words and tone of voice that drew his audience to him (if he has the feeling for the audience that would allow that to be natural…it’s hard to hold our views and not develop almost unnoticed an adversarial feeling toward the very persons we hope to draw to us).
The innocence radiating from those pictures could lead naturally to discussion of the innocence white behavior exhibits in so many other ways, and finally to how that innocence is maintained by the media…”Who owns media? Who owns media? I don’t have to tell you; you know what answer you’re expecting from me. And that’s the RIGHT answer.
Your response to that answer is, ‘So what?’ Please let me tell you ‘so what’: So you won’t learn what organizations have been principally responsible for so many of the changes in this country that you detest. So…”(etc. etc. Alex can write all this about 10 times better than I can)
I admire tremendously Alex’s getting out there, and my impressions of the effect of the rally are based on the almost universal repugnance to it expressed by posters on the knoxnews forum…but they may be a skewed sample.
25 December, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Norsk Says:
25 December, 2009 at 1:14 pm
“Another thing that helps is to learn to be a cameleon. Blending in with different types of people. You have to make them feel comfortable before they will listen to you.”
The main way to make them feel comfortable is to allow yourself, if you have it in you, to LIKE them.
WNs who identify with the “white race” but don’t much care for the members of that race aren’t going to get very far I think, unless they have tremendous charisma.
25 December, 2009 at 3:18 pm
To Hugh Lincoln 25 December, 2009 at 1:34 pm:
I agree with your post. But I also think that the call Linder made on Giles’ program for persons who will get out and be public as he has been, provided they have a realistic sense of what is helpful and not helpful in each public situation they introduce themselves into, is immensely needed.
My mind is open, but I believe Alex isn’t seeing that he himself could much improve the realism of his view of what is effective in which situation, and he might then be more likely to attract others to join him in being more public.
Alex’ criticism on Giles’ show of MacDonald turning toward Sam Francis is beyond my knowledge and understanding, but as far as being public about Jewish power, I don’t see how MacDonald can be faulted.
In fact, I believe that in one point in the interview, Alex said that (despite his criticisms of MacDonald) he thought MacDonald was also doing useful work in many ways.
Alex’ extemporaneous and natural nature is part of what makes him attractive, but it can also cause confusion when one utterance seems to contradict another!
25 December, 2009 at 5:35 pm
I don’t see a significant difference.
You don’t see a difference? Wipe your glasses.
One is people who want to hide the cause of a problem. The other is people who claim, like us, they want to solve a problem, but insist, against the VNN position, that we must solve the problem by never ever discussing its true cause, until fifteen hurdles have been jumped over first. In practice, what they advocate is NEVER addressing the jew taproot of every other symptom-weed. That is what I’m saying, and it is certainly without parallel in any other sector. And that makes sense – the jews try to control the opposition, and just as they set up front groups pretending to be for whites but actually for defending jews (AmRen being the perfect example), their liars work hard to persuade those WITHIN the ranks of WN that discussing jews is futile, or not the best way, or some other reason. This can easily be seen on any blog that discusses the jewish problem.
25 December, 2009 at 6:00 pm
What’s wrong with KM and the TOQ approach is that they can’t keep a principled line. They mix WN with conservatism. They do this because they are unable to separate personal feelings from political principles.
25 December, 2009 at 6:06 pm
TOQ is willing to plagiarize me, to use ideas first enunciated and developed by VNN, but never credit us. By contrast, they fawn over any conservative who will pay attention to them, even if the attention is negative, as in John Derbyshire’s review of KM’s work. This shows they are, no matter what they think they are, conservatives. They fawn before status and money. I will use KM’s phrase, and twist. Kevin MacDonald is not a white nationalist, he is an implicit conservative. And that goes for the entire TOQ crew. The many of the who are former VNN writers should know better.
The right way to go is to attack the conservatives, not suck up to them. WN should focus on polarizing the public in order to gain stature.
KM will diss VNN in public, but suck up to Buchanan. That shows you his character and his political acumen. He thinks by buddying up to the rich conservatives he’ll get better reviews and somehow become more influential. It doesn’t work that way, though. TOQ is drowning whatever talent/money it draws in the pit toilet of professional conservatism. Those are the facts of the matter. TOQ = WN coopted by neocon foundation money.
25 December, 2009 at 6:09 pm
The key is explaining your point clearly so people with an IQ of 100 and above will understand what you are talking about.
hdumpty says:
at 3:02 pm
“the main way to make them feel comfortable is to allow yourself, if you have it in you, to like them.”
You don’t get it. You don’t need to like them.You need to learn to control your emotions. You act like they’re your friends. That’s how the Jews do it. When i come apon someone that is running on dangerous political views (and have no clue of the danger) I feel them out. If they are not perceptive of the danger i move on. Don’t waist time on the sheeple.
“WN’s who identify with the “white race” but don’t much care for the members of that race aren’t going to get very far i think, unless they have tremendous charisma.”
Dont let your emotions get in the way. It’s hard not to. The bottom line is, What are we fighting for and who are we fighting for? A true white Nationalist fights for the 14 words. If you don’t beleave in the 14 words your not a white nationalist.
25 December, 2009 at 6:13 pm
So the process of writing, speaking, and changing white minds is worth nothing?
It’s worth less than you think it is. What Whites need is leadership. TOQ doesn’t offer that.
Even within the field of ideas, TOQ has undermined our cause by publicly dissing real WN like me and VNN, and sucking up to professional conservatives who shit on it. That’s weak and perceived to be weak. The top of TOQ is Regnery, and he is nothing but a neocon-bilge spreader. You guys sold out too easy.
WN should not be mixing with conswervatives, it should separating and spitting on conservatives. Lumping them with the other liberals as tools of the jew. KM and the rest can’t do this because they are too weak. They are incapable of maintaining a party line. My objection is not to TOQ writing its cute little essays, it’s to their pretending they want to change the world while their behavior shows they are rank conservatives – grovelers before money and status. Kevin MacDonald doesn’t have the balls to spit on Derbyshire, but that is what is objectively called for. And that’s just one example.
25 December, 2009 at 6:20 pm
The crux of the matter is whether we treat conservatives as friends or enemies. I say we treat them as enemies and attack them. KM and crew treat them as friends, and tolerate attacks on themselves.
TOQ is conservative, no matter what it labels itself. It cannot produce the change we need, it’s men don’t have the right mentality. Read the NS material at calvin.edu. Study the mentality and actions of successful revolutionaries in circumstances somewhat like our own.
NS didn’t try to influence the elite, as TOQ does. They tried and succeeded, in forming a new elite. That is what we should emulate. Not trying to get a favorable mention by Buchanan, KM’s wet dream, but by getting rid of Buchanan and the rest of the anti-White Zoggies.
25 December, 2009 at 6:24 pm
There’s a woman down in StL whose white daughter was beat up by a nigger. The school has a tape of it. The school board won’t release it. Who does the woman turn to for help? TOQ.
That’s the problem. TOQ wants to change the world – it says. But it wants to do this without getting its hands dirty.
All I’m saying is that TOQ ought to admit that it is just another conservative outlet. TOQ is kibitzers, not leaders.
25 December, 2009 at 7:03 pm
“I don’t see how MacDonald can be faulted.”
He won’t mention the fed or fractional reserve.
He only focuses on the important stuff.
25 December, 2009 at 7:53 pm
We’ll see what everyone is made of once the shit hits the proverbial fan. Who knows, maybe a few Republikahn Kwanservatives or liberal limp-wrists will surprise everyone and become great fighters against the Empire, while many of the tough-talkin’ Keyboard Kommandos here on this site run for the hills. It will be interesting to find out.
25 December, 2009 at 8:21 pm
The Kwan has been intensively conditioned for Tolerance. Obama’s change will help to bring a change of mind when the Tolerance becomes unbearable. I have no idea when this will happen. But things are getting more unbearable as the days go by. What change will BHO inflict on us in the next three years?
26 December, 2009 at 12:24 am
I think that placing every last Jew in Israel would be an excellent solution. We could enforce the borders/stop the expansion. Take every ounce of European technology out of they’re hands and force them to deal with the palestinians and other neighboring Arabs.
Without the ability to travel to and manipulate other lands they would surely start a civil war and destroy each other. That or be destroyed by the Arabs. put in there own place,and on a level playing field,they would not stand much of a chance!They would surely be destroyed.
I have shed blood for my race in the past. Even still I do not think I could kill children. I know the old saying is very true. The children of the enemy grow up to be the enemy! Sepperation and strict border enforcement are key! The Jews are the only culprits responsible for the mixing of the races.This needs to be dealt with.I believe that the most effective way is to evict them.Once this is achieved,everything else will fall into place!
Where I do stand a little firmer is here. Violate the borders,executed on site. Jews found meddling in non jew affairs,executed on site.
This of course is all a fantasy scenario,for now.
26 December, 2009 at 12:41 am
Ive been reading TOQ’s articles and comments and you are right Alex. They are pussies.What else can be said. Yes let me argue with my neighbor,if I use superior logic,surely he will see it my way and join my struggle. Oh wait a minute,that doesnt fucking work! Show me one leader that led through rational arguments. The masses cannot and will not be swayed that way. You must angry up the blood!
26 December, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Common Sense was a bestseller.
26 December, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Alex…thanks for the reading tip, which I’ll take, as well as catch-up reading of TOQ, etc.
My understanding already is that Herr H’s early successes in increasing his party from the handful it started as were due to his studied and practiced abilities as an orator.
In that regard, I’m hoping to get some discussion from you about your speech in Knoxville, unless that topic has been beaten to death in the past so much that you’re totally sick of it.
My impression has been, honestly, that the speech was ineffective, for the reasons I touched on in my post above yesterday at 2:55 pm.
But now that I understand at least slightly better what kind of persons you’re trying to attract, maybe I’m mistaken.
So I’m wondering, has anyone who watched your speech there contacted you and said, man, that was great, you named “Big Jew” right away, etc. etc., and your way of doing things is the way for me.
Or do you have other reasons to think that your words there brought anyone to your cause?
As I explained in my post above, my criticism isn’t directed at the content of that speech, but at what seems to me an insouciant attitude on your part toward organizing and expressing your content in a way to draw listeners to it. That aspect of speechifying was of course something Herr H paid a LOT of attention to!
But maybe you are aiming just for people who already have the main understandings and who need galvanizing to action (of some sort)….if that’s the case, I’m wondering if you have reason to believe that your manner of presenting your case in Knoxville did indeed have the effect you desired on some such people.
26 December, 2009 at 1:19 pm
I heard that A was not scheduled to speak in Knoxville. It perhaps was quite impromptu.
26 December, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Adam…as analysis, I’ve really enjoyed your posts on technology and find them extremely insightful.
But I can’t imagine any group of leaders or any large group of people being willing to turn its back on technology. Checking that no potential enemy was secretly redeveloping technology would itself require more and more sophisticated technology.
And do you want whites to give up technology before, or after, we restore our position? Perhaps after would be better, don’t you think?
Which is my wry way of saying that I don’t see how your discussion of giving up technology has any more bearing on how to move forward from our present circumstances than a discussion of the desirability of whites establishing ourselves in space colonies (I wish I could live to see that great adventure) would have.
26 December, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Kuda Bux…my probably incorrect impression was that the whole shindig was mainly organized by Alex. But I do seem to vaguely recall now his saying in that speech that he hadn’t planned to speak…I’m not certain.
I don’t think that rally won any hearts and minds in Knoxville, in fact my impression is strongly the opposite. But if its purpose was to win bodies and hearts of a few whose minds were already won, I’d like to hear some evidence of success of that, or of any other good results from that rally.
26 December, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Kuda Bux Says:
“Common Sense was a bestseller.”
Good point. And I’ll read that too.
26 December, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Common Sense
By Thomas Paine
Introduction
PERHAPS the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not yet sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favor; a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason.
As a long and violent abuse of power is generally the means of calling the right of it in question, (and in matters too which might never have been thought of, had not the sufferers been aggravated into the inquiry,) and as the king of England hath undertaken in his own right, to support the parliament in what he calls theirs, and as the good people of this country are grievously oppressed by the combination, they have an undoubted privilege to inquire into the pretensions of both, and equally to reject the usurpations of either.
In the following sheets, the author hath studiously avoided every thing which is personal among ourselves. Compliments as well as censure to individuals make no part thereof. The wise and the worthy need not the triumph of a pamphlet; and those whose sentiments are injudicious or unfriendly, will cease of themselves, unless too much pains is bestowed upon their conversion.
The cause of America is, in a great measure, the cause of all mankind. Many circumstances have, and will arise, which are not local, but universal, and through which the principles of all lovers of mankind are affected, and in the event of which, their affections are interested. The laying a country desolate with fire and sword, declaring war against the natural rights of all mankind, and extirpating the defenders thereof from the face of the earth, is the concern of every man to whom nature hath given the power of feeling; of which class, regardless of party censure, is
THE AUTHOR.
Philadelphia, Feb. 14, 1776.
>>>That sinking feeling from the last paragraph. . . .universal, not local. . .the cause of all mankind. . .lovers of mankind. . .
natural rights of all mankind
natural rights of kikery and niggerhood? blend that with christian universalism and you get ??
I confess to not reading this until now.
http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/commonsense/text.html
26 December, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Tom Paine was Jew-wise, no doubt about it. He rightly accused the Jews of “blackening” the history of every country they inhabited. When Paine refered to “all mankind” he was doubtless referring to all White men first and foremost. Why would he have cared about the political well-being of the Turk, the Negro or the Chinaman? He surely must have realized that such people are incapable of creating civilized, democratic states.
26 December, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Probably true. But the naturalization act of 1791 did not say the country was open to “all humanity” or “free persons.” It says FREE WHITE PERSONS. “All humanity” is/was way too ambiguous, and subject to possible misinterpretation.
I recall reading how early settlers tried great society type programs in order to make the injuns industrious.
26 December, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Re Knoxville, I was arrested at my rally. I spoke, impromptu, at the second rally.
The effect of my or any speech is limited because the cops are allowed by the court to lock the speakers too far away from the public for any real reaction and interaction. That was my purpose in walking down the street at the first rally, to get in front of the public and the antis where they could hear me. But that’s illegal, per cops and court. Until this obstacle is got around, public speaking is largely irrelevant.
26 December, 2009 at 11:56 pm
One, time to clear up a misunderstanding about Christianity and “loving they neighbor as they self.”
This is simply an example of why the more advanced books of Christianity – the Gospels, which, with the Book of Revelation, are the Books of Christianity.
The Two Laws are:
1. Love God – first, foremost, forever.
2. Love Thy Neighbor As They Self.
This simply means to love your neighbor as God loves you; that is to say, enough to correct him when he is wrong, and, if need be, let him experience the karma of punishment for willfully choosing to do evil.
Don’t love your neighbor MORE than your self, and don’t love your neighbor MORE than God loves you.
Simple as that.
If your neighbor willfully chooses to go against God, then you have choices to make, and the best of these choices is to do what God would want you to do, and not be a victim.
Simple as that.
Two, time to clear up a misunderstanding about Harold Covington, and the Northwest Republic Analytical Initiative.
Let’s be clear about this:
Covington succeeds where all others failed, as he sees the Solution to all of our Racial Problems being well within our hands.
Ironically, in this, he is quite consistent with Terrible Tommy Metzger, who does not blame carrion for what they do, but blame us for allowing the System to fall apart to the point that the carrion eaters proliferate.
Three, Covington uses the phrase that really punches through a lot of resistance from our Racial Kinsmen to accepting a Positive Theory of Race, and that phrase is this:
“I WANT TO BUILD A WHITE HOMELAND, AND THE BEST PLACE TO BUILD IT IS IN THE NORTHWEST, AND I’LL TELL YOU WHY…”
THAT phrase – a White Homeland – really seems to punch through a lot of intellectual resistance, and I think the reason is seen in our past practices:
What is Suburbia but a series of White Homelands?
“Disconnected White Archipelagoes?”
And THERE is Pierce’s “White Zions,” in all but Racial Name.
Well, we see how well THAT has worked.
So, there is my special Christmas Gift to one and all, Latter-Day Mithraist Metzger, Racial Savant Harold Covington, and all in between.
We Let This Happen To Us, And We Can Do SOMETHING About It.
What you choose to do is up to you.
The rest of us are about the intergenerational work of building a Nation, a White Homeland, where none may make afraid.
Thanks to Socrates, and Linder, for allowing me the space to discuss Harold Covington’s Ideas, which I maintain are the last, best hope for our Nation.
The Purpose Of Judaism is The Genocide of the White Race.
27 December, 2009 at 12:09 am
Never mind the Reverend Billy Sol Hargus, Weird Harry Covington is God’s Other Son.
29 December, 2009 at 5:18 am
The root emotional cause of White defense of Jewry lies in the parallel between Jesus dying on the cross and Jews dying in the Holocaust. In both of these events the focus is on the personal identification with the one suffering abuse. This mentality is emotionally imprinted on the White psyche as meaning “whoever is killed is the good guy until proven otherwise”. Hence, Jews are good people because they were victims during World War 2. This framework remains in tact since the vast majority of Whites don’t study the Jewish involvement in Communism in the first place.