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Dr. Pierce was too elitist and inflexible. For example he wanted nothing to do with White activists who served time in prison. He also made fun of “chicken pluckers”, ie, people who worked in “menial” jobs. No job is menial if it’s honest, useful work and it’s done well.

What we need, I think, is not some charismatic Great Leader but rather a revolutionary and populist White movement, one that does not pull any punches when it comes to issues of race and economics, and one that works hard to bring the White working class and other disenfranchised Whites on board. All decent, racially-concious Whites should be made to feel welcome in such a movement, regardless of their education, wealth, religious beliefs (providing those religious beliefs are not too crazy) or social status.

And please, no more relying on that pretentious Madison Grant, Oswald Spengler, Revilo P. Oliver and Martin Heidegger stuff, either. We should not try to impress anyone, especially the Enemy, by attempting to intellectualize the White Struggle. It turns a lot of people off, and rightfully so.

Response to Tim 1-

Worthy issues that need to be addressed, Tim.
In no way did my brief tribute to Dr. Pierce mean to overlook his shortcomings, be what they were. After death however, we generally defer to the virtues of an individual. And in the final weighing-in, WLP contributed far more than others. I stress what Dr. Pierce did and did better as no one before – in providing an intellectual wellspring that continues to this day to inform and educate. There were shortcomings for sure, but on the whole, are we better or worse for him having been? All in balance. I agree with everything you say, with the necessary modifications required by a clearer understanding of things from each of our perspectives

I know a physician who was close to Dr. Pierce and was with him during the last few days of his life. In conversations with him, he revealed to me that Pierce specifically meant for the Alliance to be an educational organization during his lifetime. That was his answer when directly questioned on the matter. Activism in the sense other organizations engage in was meant by Pierce to follow his death. He feared premature confrontations with authorities before the goals he set before himself were finished. His work was to impart understanding and to inform. This tallies with my observations of the Alliance as I studied it before any relationship with the NA developed. I shared openly my assessment of the NA with WP the very first time I met him. Having noted its strengths, I also made clear how weak the NA was as an organization and lacking in ‘activism’ (how I hate that word). His reply was simply “I know. You’re right.” The NA had always an academic and intellectual emphasis which was understandable for a time, but which cannot remain so forever. To this day, I fault-find the NA for retaining this quality, although not to the degree it once had. There is safety, I suppose, in staying nestled behind a book and ensconced on a library chair. We are all schooled at one point in our lives, but then it comes time to put down the books and put to use that which was learned.

torrence —

Good comments about Dr. Pierce. He was who he was. His philosophy will live on, regardless of any faults he might have had.

I am having difficulty posting part 3 of my response to Tim – the most important part dealing with elitism.

Response to Tim 3-
On the matter of elitism, I’m very senstivie to that. Elitism has no place at all in National Socialist theory or practice. If he used the term ‘chicken pluckers’ or demeaned those doing manual labor, he would have heard it from me in the clearest of terms. I didn’t observe this in him as you indicate, but I share in your contempt of this destructive attitude wherever it is found. The NA Membership Handbook clearly states “Good members come from all walks of life, from nearly every trade and profession, in both sexes and all ages, and from a wide range of socioeconomic levels. We find them where we can.” It is a discussion in itself to consider where individuals of Aryan communities stand in relation to one another. We would consider Hitler’s viewpoints as expressed in Mein Kampf, and on this subject he has much to say in the most unambiguous terms! He too felt strongly about elitists among us. Remember the socialist component to National Socialism! Members of integrity are all valued equally, although the nature of their contribution differs.

“What we need, I think, is not some charismatic Great Leader but rather a revolutionary and populist White movement, one that does not pull any punches when it comes to issues of race and economics, and one that works hard to bring the White working class and other disenfranchised Whites on board. All decent, racially-concious Whites should be made to feel welcome in such a movement, regardless of their education, wealth, religious beliefs (providing those religious beliefs are not too crazy) or social status.”

And is this not National Socialism? Of course you are right!

As far as the “pretentious Madison Grant, Oswald Spengler, Revilo P. Oliver and Martin Heidegger stuff” goes, be careful not to be elitist from the other direction. This ‘stuff’ has its place, but A space, and no more. Over-intellectualism is stifling and not central to successful living, but a basic understanding and cognitive appreciation of things is. Some seek an understanding of things on a higher level. Fine and good, but this cannot be a substitute for boot-on-asphalt activity. I read a bit of Heidegger once and couldn’t make heads or tails of what he was talking about. You can spend a lifetime deciphering all that or choose to get something done.

You touch on matters that are largely ignored by this board. Rather than repeating things we already know on Jews and non-Whites, it would be good to spend more time on matters we have here discussed – Constructive things that build us up amongst ourselves. We need to spend more time on things that need to be done BY US – FOR US! National Socialism is proactive with a can-do attitude. It is primarily directed inwardly through constructive activity inside the Aryan community and is less directed outwardly toward those not of our community.

Good things you wrote about to think over. 14/88

Torrence, I really, really appreciate the time and effort you made to respond to my posting above. Usually, it’s “Shut up, you troll” or “What are you, some kind of a homo or something?” And thanks to Miss Karen as well. I wasn’t sure if what I wrote made any sense. I’m never sure of that.

Yes, Dr. Pierce was a decent, erudite and principled man. No taint of scandal ever, well, tainted him. And the anti-White Bolshevik scum never seemed to go after him with the same ferocity they went after “Doctor” Duke and Commander Rockwell, so he apparently engendered some grudging respect among his enemies. They certainly couldn’t accuse him of being a “loser” who lived in his mom’s basement or any such thing. He was a professor of chemistry at a university, for Christ’s sake.

But were his methods ultimately effective? Will his work ever lead to something greater? Or will he just be remembered as the old guy who wrote that “right-wing racist book” which set off Tim McVeigh?

I believe the time for pipe-smoking, white-haired scholarly gentlemen politely discoursing on our European heritage in the conference room of some Holiday Inn is over. At this rate, in five years’ time a mosque is going to be built in YOUR neighborhood, White Man, complete with minarets, hundreds of dirty, smelly towel-heads and an Imam wailing through a crackling loudspeaker 5 times a day. So with all due respect I say let’s put our pipes and books aside for awhile and START KICKING SOME ASS.

The only thing I can say about Dr. Pierce is that he was a welcomed messenger when the message was difficult to get out. As I have stated in past posts I always looked froward to Saturdays when I could listen to his disortations and I usually followed along with the written dialog. I can say I miss his insights and his unique way of looking at current events with a historical perspective. He never minced his words and too bad more clear thinking white people never knew he existed. I have a collection of his past broadcasts because the day will come, in the not too distant furture, when Dr. Pierce’s message will be viewed as hate and will not be allowed to be seen.

“So which is it Tim?. Is it inconsequential what religion whites have or not? Did you mean to include Judaism in that questionable statement of yours?”

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Serves me right for trying to be nice to you. So which is it, you ask? OK, I’ll tell you. Whites with crazy-ass religious beliefs like yours should be SHUNNED. Go form your Muslim Brotherhood movement and see what happens. Mental case.

Tim – Nice has nothing to do with it nor do my religious beliefs, as I have expressed none. I honored your sentiments on Pierce because they were legitimate observations and worthy of consideration. Believe it or not, I do try to understand what points posters try to make and give credence to their reasoning and conclusions when justified, and your expressions were largely justifiable as I saw them. I agreed with you on the whole with what you said. That is why I thought it worth the time and effort to enlarge upon your post. Then, I read your subsequent posts that aren’t consistent with previously stated positions and I get a little upset. I came to terms with you based on what you said, and then the reversal confuses me and angers me a bit because I sincerely contemplated your ideas and had to conclude that ‘Yes, Tim is all reasonable here, I find little objectionable, and so I publicly acknowledge and credit him for his contribution’. Now, were you not genuine in your representations or did you just not remember, or is there something else I and all others should know? Afterall, the sincere VNN supporter wants to get the right understanding on things. And I am sincere.
I’m not mad at you but I do need you to account for having said:

“All decent, racially-concious Whites should be made to feel welcome in such a movement,…regardless of their religious beliefs (providing those religious beliefs are not too crazy).”

followed later by your warning that a mosque is going to be built in our neighborhoods. If it doesn’t matter what religious belief a racially-conscious White has, then so what if a mosque is being built? If it is a “too crazy” reigious belief, how is it more so than the others? We already have churches, temples, synagogues, buddha centers, scientology libraries, shrines, cathedrals, chapels, Kingdom Halls, Mandirs, derasars, sanctuaries, and so on, but when a mosque is built, Oh my, watch out!

Another point: this anti-muslim sentiment is actually a form of Zionism, because it adopts the basic disposition of the Israelis toward their Islamic geographic neighbors. I don’t see enough of a difference between the various religions to single out one from the other. And if you read my comments on Muslims in the US, they are actually a less malignant influence than are the Zionists by a large degree.

I believe in purity and consistency of believe, in integrity of ideology and intellectual consistency. That is one major bone I have with the National Alliance today. It has compromised in ideology and is unknowingly inconsistent from one position to another from week to week. It is becoming hard to take them serously.
Anyway, we converse in respect toward one another. Please don’t call me a White “with crazy-ass religious beliefs” who needs to be “SHUNNED”, as I didn’t say anything about my religious beliefs. I am not Muslim. And I am not a “mental case”.

You’re right Torrence, I do have a habit of being inconsistent at times. I’d say the main reason for that is because I think my beliefs are being fine-tuned or revised from time to time. And OK, you are not a “mental case”.

As far as Islam goes, yes, there certainly are White people who, unfortunately, are Muslims. The former English singer/songwriter Cat Stevens comes most readily to mind. He now calls himself “Yussef Islam”. Madness, absolute total madness. Why any White person would be drawn to that religion is beyond me.

So I think our proposed populist and revolutionary White movement needs to be a little bit clearer on the issue of religion. White people with no taint of racial pollution who are of good character and sound mind are encouraged to join up, regardless of their educational background or socio-economic status. However, each applicant will be asked about his/her religious beliefs in order to make sure that no kind of irrational religious fanaticism that could harm the Movment takes place. However, followers of Mithras, Wotan, Zoroaster, Artemis and Apollo will be admitted free of charge, with no questions asked..

There, I think that’s being more than fair!

Mudslims make poor political allies for Whites, why hell, the jews beat the hell out of the poor pals and lebanese on a regular basis, and mudslims for the most don’t give a damn,”its all up to Allah”
I’ve been around mudslims in the Netherlands, they think every white women is a whore, and they lock up their women in the house and breed like flies. Besides they all have a stroke of the tarbrush and negroid behaviour.
We have Christ insanity to thank for Islam,. without the religious schisms, Constantinople and North Africa would still be in Whites hands.

You think the jews have chutzpah, you ought to see how the Morrocans in broad daylight would walk up and steal a Dutchmens bicycle, and walk nonchalantly away. They fukkin think they own the country, I HATE THEM GOD DAMN DUNE COONS