6 July, 2010
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6 July, 2010 at 2:45 am
It seems that Jim Giles is going off the air due to lack of listener support. This is bad news indeed….
I encourage anyone who has some spare money to send a few dollars Jim’s way. He’s a good guy, and he’s a truly unique voice in the pro-white “movement” (so-called).
Not everyone will agree with Jim and his approach, but there’s no doubt he’s the genuine article. He really is making an effort, which is more than can be said for most people. He deserves some support…
Go Jim!!
http://www.rebelarmy.com/
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6 July, 2010 at 3:04 am
The ideal of Amerikwan White female beauty, as brought to us by jews:
–Big lips, like a nigger
–Brown skin, like a spic
–Tiny nose, like a gook
…all of which can be obtained through medical procedures, if one has the money.
And a couple of twists on this notion of the feminine ideal:
–Fake blonde hair is good. (It can be bought) Real blonde hair is bad, and a sure sign of mental deficiency.
–Large fake tits are good. (They can be bought) Large real tits are monstrous, and should be subjected to a “reduction”.
The notion that beauty, like intelligence, is a gift which cannot be purchased, is passe. I look at these totally fake “gorgeous” females, and it makes me sick. They just look like weird mutants. Meanwhile, the stupid Amerikwan White woman eats it up, and dreams of the day when she too can be as beautiful as a “celebrity.”
All of which makes jews very happy indeed.
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6 July, 2010 at 3:06 am
Andrew, do you mean the Jim Giles who was on here a couple months ago encouraging us to vote for conservative politicians and who was looking for “hard men” to follow his leadership?
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6 July, 2010 at 3:13 am
Blackshirt – I don’t know, was he? And even if he was, so what?
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6 July, 2010 at 3:22 am
Andrew, if I have to answer that question you are probably on the wrong website.
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6 July, 2010 at 3:36 am
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6 July, 2010 at 8:34 am
Jim Giles has odor of an agent provocateur. This guy slams and heaps criticism and does his level best to sow seeds of suspicion and discontent throughout the pro-white movement and he had Ed Steele convicted and guilty simply because he didn’t like his picture, and from some bad vibes he got from interviewing Steele one time.
This is the first I’ve heard that he’s deciding to close up shop, and if this is true and if he’s claiming the reason for his decision is that he wasn’t getting enough financial support from his listeners, then that sounds pretty hypocritical. One of the things Jim Giles harps on constantly and criticizes relentlessly is how many supposed ‘pro-white’ voices in our movement are just trying to hustle money out of their listeners or followers, and aren’t really serious about white survival.
In the long run, materialism and greed and a fixation on acquiring money are going to be the ultimate downfall of the
White race – because our enemy has this fatal weakness of our race programmed into their offensive weapon systems computer. Either we put the survival of our race and the final crushing defeat of this enemy at the top of our list of priorities – and if that requires many of us to donate our time and spend our own limited resources, within reasonable and affordable limits, or else we are going to lose the most important battle the White race has ever fought.
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6 July, 2010 at 9:15 am
I guess the forum is down. Was it DHS?
BTW:
The big bankers are a bunch of Evil Kikes.
6 July, 2010 at 9:24 am
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6 July, 2010 at 10:35 am
DHS = Department of Homeland Security.
6 July, 2010 at 10:46 am
Fred Says:
6 July, 2010 at 9:15 am
I guess the forum is down. Was it DHS?
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The big bankers are a bunch of Evil Kikes.
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Fred, if we look at the Edgar tragedy, and then to SOB trolls that showed up suddenly posting on that thread, it would not be a jump in conclusion of any b.s bein commited against the forum.
The turd Vorld invaders do not give a bean for common law or the bill of Rights.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXRPK9YF9bQ&feature=player_embedded#
6 July, 2010 at 10:47 am
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6 July, 2010 at 8:34 am
Jim Giles has odor of an agent provocateur. This guy slams and heaps criticism and does his level best to sow seeds of suspicion and discontent throughout the pro-white movement and he had Ed Steele convicted and guilty simply because he didn’t like his picture, and from some bad vibes he got from interviewing Steele one time.
yeap
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6 July, 2010 at 3:07 pm
M. Kraus, your comment above is succinct, sharp, and strikingly relevant.
I agree 100% with your analysis on modern misconceptions regarding the female beauty ideal.
I will thus add nothing to it here.
My only respectful criticism would be that you offer no medicine to the malady.
Serious WN/Pan-Aryan males MUST start using aggressive strategies and FIGHT BACK DEMOGRAPHICALLY instead of keeping only to the old stale preservationist defense.
Consequently . . .
14 HEALTHY, WHITE children per WN/Pan-Aryan male.
When that minimum is achieved, it will be allowed for each new WN/Pan-Aryan Patriarch to take the best women of competing races and infuse their lineage with Aryan Blood to engender “white mulattoes” loyal to the cause, instead of today’s “black mulattoes” loyal to their predominantly black or mud fathers.
Sounds provocative? . . . Good.
The point is that our kike/muddy enemies have followed that exact strategy in their war on white males for probably millennia.
They deny us access to healthy white females by, rather impolitely, taking them for themselves.
It is a double attack: acquire AND deny simultaneously.
About time we grow up to this fact and start bringing guns to the gunfight.
Only after 14 HEALTHY WHITE descendants. Remember!
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6 July, 2010 at 3:21 pm
Well, the Barry Sotero Regime has made it official: They are going to sue the State of AZ for trying to protect its citizens from illegal invaders. It’s obvious what Sotero is really up to. OK, I’ll explain it anyway. He wants those 20-30 million Mestizoes who are here illegally to become citizens, citizens who will vote Democratic when Sotero is up for re-election in 2012. But don’t expect the know-it-all talking heads at FOX News or CNN to tell you that.
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6 July, 2010 at 3:26 pm
CONGRATULATIONS TO HOLLAND…Im hoping for a Germany vs Holland World Cup…
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6 July, 2010 at 3:31 pm
I agree with Luke, that Jim Giles character is suspicious. The White Struggle is infested with flakes, kooks, sellouts, snitches, hypocties and backstabbers, so beware of whom you give your money and your trust to.
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6 July, 2010 at 3:40 pm
Orion.
I think recessive genes on our part might throw a wrench into your plan. Not to mention,who the fuck would want to mate with those other races,aside from the MTV generation sickos. Provocative indeed.
14 children? wow. that would be difficult.
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6 July, 2010 at 3:46 pm
It’s a good thing that Tim McGreen lives in New England, because Massachusetts has had legalized gay marriage since 2004. You lucked out, Tim!
Same-sex marriage in Massachusetts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Massachusetts
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6 July, 2010 at 3:52 pm
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6 July, 2010 at 3:56 pm
A confidential source e-mailed me a picture of Tim McGreen:
http://www.anotherqueerjubu.com/.a/6a00d8345192f869e2010535df6e85970c-500wi
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6 July, 2010 at 4:10 pm
Well, ladies and gentlemen, I’m afraid to say this, but the level of discourse on this thread is about to take a serious nose-dive. I just thought I’d warn you in advance. And please note, I did NOT start this. Thank you.
*ZOG, you obnoxious little fuckhead, I thought I told you to go play with Yahoody Douchebag. But don’t keep touching his pecker, OK?
*ZOG, you are a fucking idiot with no life. Please die.
*ZOG has the emotional IQ of a 13 year-old twerp. I doubt he will ever grow up. I also doubt he will ever get laid. How old are you, loser, around 35? Well, as long as he’s got Toy Story 3 to watch over and over and over again, he won’t think about girls.
*If you’ll notice, ZOG has NEVER contributed anything of value or substance to this site and he never will because he is a fucking retard.
*ZOG is probably the dumbest online moniker anyone has ever used. He probably doesn’t even know what it stands for.
*ZOG’s obsession with homos and homo marriages speaks volumes about his sexual, intellectual and emotional immaturity.
*I am doing ZOG the biggest favor in his shitty life by even reponding to his lame, stupid messages. You should be grateful to me, ZOG, you imbecile. No one else here would even know you existed unless I pointed you out to them.
Now go crawl away someplace and die. You won’t be missed, I promise you that.
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6 July, 2010 at 4:25 pm
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6 July, 2010 at 4:27 pm
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6 July, 2010 at 4:30 pm
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6 July, 2010 at 5:14 pm
Now, Tim, don’t have a hissy fit. Are you insulted that I called you a “bottom” instead of a “power bottom”? We all know how sensitive you people are.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?defid=1131015&term=power+bottom
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6 July, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Well on to some positive notes. the Irish festival is coming up! Always fun! The Scottish games just wrapped up, again always fun.
Up here in Mt they just rounded up some spic gang called sureno. Then they deported a bunch of illegal workers from some restaurant. And after months of unemployment I have a very promising interview coming up!
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6 July, 2010 at 8:01 pm
Aside from lovefest going on between Tom and ZOG, I’d like to comment on Jim Giles.
He has had his good points but I think they are outweighed by some really bad ones. The “conservative” angle is bad enough but going after Steele and letting Mona carry on into it as well is just nasty. And the more I think about it, the more he reminds me of Hal “the rat” Turner.
I know I can probably never match the days that Yankee Jim and I did our radio show. But I’m thinking of getting something together again as the times just beg for the White Word with no Enquirer bullshit to be spread among the intertubes. And my main purpose is going to be canceling those that make a mockery out of White broadcasting.
So there.
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6 July, 2010 at 8:19 pm
Giles has the stench of agent provocateur/informer. First off, he has secured interviews with high profile people yet he’s a complete nobody living in a trailer in Mississippi. How does he pull it off? And why would these people waste their time? I think this was all designed to give screaming Jimmy some credibility in WN circles. If you recall, Shal Turner always seemed to get lots of press attention which was suspicious.
Second, he sometimes dedicates part of his show to attacking other members of the WN movement and has occasionally exhorted listeners to seek vengeance for black on white crimes a la Hal “The Rat” Turner. If Jimbo is such an alpha male then I challenge him to lock and load and draw first blood. Leaders show by example but he wont’ because his rhetoric is designed to cause undisciplined people to do stupid things and reveal themselves to the feds and the ADL.
Hal Turner used to plead for money and label those who didn’t donate as white trash. At that point I knew he was fraud. Jimbo claims he doesn’t want anyone’s money and decries the white money movement but now has his hand out. Can you say hypocrite boys and girls?
This probably has his adoring fans spitting venom but this is the way I see it.
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6 July, 2010 at 8:23 pm
I think Tim & Blackie spend too much time here—I guess they don’t work, or don’t have lives outside of commenting on VNN. Matter of fact I suspect they work here, but for some monitoring agency. LOL.
ZOG is usually on the money—he got a couple wrong( Geithner and probably Volker) out of thousands. Not many pundits are that accurate!
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6 July, 2010 at 8:47 pm
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6 July, 2010 at 8:49 pm
“In the long run, materialism and greed and a fixation on acquiring money are going to be the ultimate downfall of the
White race –
because our enemy has this fatal weakness of our race programmed into their offensive weapon systems computer. Either we put the survival of our race and the final crushing defeat of this enemy at the top of our list of priorities – and if that requires many of us to donate our time and spend our own limited resources, within reasonable and affordable limits, or else we are going to lose the most important battle the White race has ever fought.”
Some of the finest words I have read.
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6 July, 2010 at 8:55 pm
Old Douche says:
It’s not as dramatic as you make it sound, Douche. I’m unemployed- that’s it in a nutshell, just like millions upon millions of people in this country who got laid off or let go in this depression. That’s why I can check out this forum pretty much daily. I don’t know what Tim does or doesn’t do that explains his time here, all I can do is speak for myself.
And don’t start feeling special because I answered one of your smears… I’m just doing it in the name of disclosure to the civilized and honorable posters here, which doesn’t include you, ZOG, or Tom McReen and his multiple sockpuppets.
LOL ;-)
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6 July, 2010 at 9:12 pm
Orion, your posts above have some interesting ideas. I can see what you are getting at, although I’m not sure what to make of it, especially the part about spreading the seed amongst non-white females. I’m of the opinion that any infusion of White genes into the non-white population is an extremely harmful thing. Take most of the mulatoes in this country- they almost always side with the black side of their lineage, which ultimately is the right way. But the infusion of White genes into the negro race only serves to raise their collective intelligence, thus making them far more dangerous to deal with.
About the whole 14 kids thing, I’m sure every White man who could would have no problem siring that many children or more if given the opportunity and the money. But most of us won’t have the opportunity, and most of us will never make the money necessary to support such a large brood. Of course we could always just do what the muds do and knock up as many women as possible without regards to the consequences, but the very fact that we do think about the consequences is part of what makes us White men.
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6 July, 2010 at 9:17 pm
Many of the comments regarding Jim Giles have a certain amount of validity. One reason why I seriously doubt that he is an agent provocateur is that he never advises anyone to do anything illegal, and although he has just started asking for donations, he doesn’t go overboard with it like agent Hal Turner used to do. Giles is plenty rough around the edges, but from what I know of Rednecks and “Good Ole Boys” is that while they won’t let anybody fuck with them, most of them are pretty damn loyal to a cause that they believe in. Far too many Rednecks are flag waving patriotards wasting themselves in the enemy’s camp. Come the Revolution, I sure hope we have some of these dudes on our side of the fence.
6 July, 2010 at 9:20 pm
Agree Old Dutch. Those are paid employees. Scare off the idle , watch the regulars and track down any that talk about criminal acts. Look at Judical org. Why should this site be any different?
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6 July, 2010 at 10:25 pm
The White Nationalist movement needs to break free of its irrational worship and reverence of the irrelevancies that are the Founding Fathers, the Constitution and their Country.
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6 July, 2010 at 11:27 pm
Right- especially the first amendment. That one bothers me the most. I am sickened that I have the right to post this.
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7 July, 2010 at 2:45 am
The Servere out rageous Begging on the internet especially starting nine years ago was IMO just about getting names of those naive enough to have given any help IMO.
Fourth amendment is gone.
7 July, 2010 at 11:00 am
@ORION
“What if this recessiveness is mostly due to the fact that mixed-race couples in the west are almost all of the muddy male-white female variety?”
I have often thought the same thing. However the rest of what you have said seems off to me. Murder them and breed with dumber whites to produce your worker class or whatever it is you are trying to achieve. Mixing is not an option in my book. Lower intellect and lower skilled working whites are required for a functioning society. Not Mullatoes.
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7 July, 2010 at 11:36 am
“Right- especially the first amendment. That one bothers me the most. I am sickened that I have the right to post this.”
Is that supposed to be smart? Typical braindead reactionary, defending irrelevancies that don’t matter one whit to our cause.
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7 July, 2010 at 11:43 am
In some ways mulattoes and octaroons are more dangerous than full blooded niggers. They are more intelligent that the average nigger, but are filled with anger that they are not White and are forced to identify with their more simian brethren. I have heard that jews have five per cent nigger blood in them. Is that one reason why they are so nasty?
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7 July, 2010 at 12:26 pm
I wonder what flavor Obama found Netanyahu’s boots and butt to be yesterday (6 Jul) when Obama groveled and bowed before the evil Khazar war criminal????
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7 July, 2010 at 12:40 pm
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7 July, 2010 at 1:39 pm
“6. We should shun retro nazi esthetics -the nazis lost.” Yeah, and when the nazis lost, we ALL lost. (except for the kikes). Are you suggesting that we should shun the magniificant sculptures of Arno Breker? Nazi Culture WAS Aryan Culture. No Aryan culture in history ever reached the great heights of culture and art that Germany attained from 1933-1939.
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7 July, 2010 at 2:11 pm
http://newsok.com/lewd-comments-to-children-families-land-man-in-oklahoma-county-jail/article/3474018?custom_click=lead_story_title
Here is some really beauty, you may want to use to wallpaper your screen with. The Zog really takes the cake for uplifting scenery and divershitty. We need to broaden our definition of what human is. The right thing to do itz. What jeboo would do itz.
7 July, 2010 at 2:15 pm
O*R*I*O*N, you say in poiint number five that we should join forces temporarily with the yids. This is a definite no no. We will never succeed in creating a new economic or social system while giving the kikes ANY power whatsoever. Only by separating ourselves from ALL jews, niggers and muds, will a new Aryan Society be triumphant. Jews will ALWAYS manage to throw a monkey wrench into any attempt by Aryans to throw the jewish monkey off our back.
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7 July, 2010 at 2:30 pm
A lot of WN’s are highly critical of Jim Giles. Giles may be an egotistical SOB but at least he says up front that he is anti jew and anti nigger. Too many WN’s are afraid to use the term “NIGGER”. We should never be afraid to call a spade a spade and a spade is a NIGGER. Up until fifty years ago practically everybody used the term “NIGGER” in private conversation at least. Nowadays, if you use the “N” word, most White people, even in a private conversation will give you a look like you just set off a stink bomb. Fuck all this PC bullshit. A NIGGER is a NIGGER is a NIGGER.
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7 July, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Yeah but what do you call a nigger brandishing a spade?
A: “Sir!”
7 July, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Damn that nigger and those orientals stand out as sore thumbs on Die Nationalmannschaft.
Still, the germans have Bastian Schweinsteiger, among the few near-Aryans on the pitch.
to Jim:
I made a video tribute to Breker years ago.
Yes.
Shun it.
We can’t afford to keep looking backwards.
We (WN/Pan-Aryans) are moving on or moving out.
Time to discard to renew. Sorry. Truth hurts.
Made you think about it.
I’m not saying discard the best of NS ideology, just a lot of it, and quit dressing up in silly uniforms from the early part of last century.
On the possibility of embracing extreme opportunism when the circumstances demand it, I guess we just disagree on the point.
I am right.
Having kike nationalists in yisrael battling with their semitic cousins is a strategic advantage only fools would not appreciate.
Your papist orthodoxy and regurgitating of old truths is so fucking pointless.
You are the infertile spermatozoon.
I am the “crazy” spermatozoon.
Just re-read your moronic last comment.
It epitomizes the “fetal positionist” preservationism I critiqued in the comment you refer to.
Thanks for the perfect illustration of my point.
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7 July, 2010 at 3:02 pm
Well, Orion is certainly thinking outside of the box! One interesting observation made is that we are retreating into a siege mentality. This is certainly true, we are cowering behind legal niceties, mouldy bits of paper, that’s playing according to the enemy’s rules. We can learn something by studying the actions of men in desperate situations.
Two historical examples spring to mind, the Battle of Stalingrad, and the Siege of Belgrade, 1717. In both cases capable and experienced commanders were in charge but von Paulus was too rational and lost his nerve, instead of breaking out of the encirclement he hesitated even when von Manstein formed a temporary bridgehead.
In the earlier example Prinz Eugen was not only a commander but a leader with a flexible and innovative out look. Faced with a double encirclement he knew that only bold determination would save his men from certain death, so he took the high risk option of a break-out but only after careful planning and at the time of his choosing.
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7 July, 2010 at 3:16 pm
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7 July, 2010 at 3:39 pm
I’m not a papist, ORION, and I don’t advocate marching down the street in nazi unforms. Obviously, the old Third Reich is dead, and any attempt to to resurrect what is gone is futile. I do advocate basing our new Aryan Folkish Society on NS principles. Ideals like honor, courage, Racial solidarity and sacrifice for a common good are NEVER going out of style. As far as my “last moronic statement”, I was simply stating a truth that most White people seem to have forgotten. You seem to have forgotten a lot too, ORION.
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7 July, 2010 at 3:42 pm
Socrates, I’m just wondering…Why is it that Ovidio’s extremely insulting remarks about Blackshirt were instantly removed but you never delete all the useless and insulting shit directed at me that has been posted by ZOG and Y. Doody? Not once have they ever contributed a damn thing to the conversation. All they do, and I mean ALL they do, is disrupt and insult. So why the double standard, may I ask?
I’d rather not waste time firing back at those two losers, because doing so drags down the level of discourse on this forum and no doubt discourages decent people from posting anything here. But I will not let those two retards get away with their infantile insults. So again I ask, WHY THE DOUBLE STANDARD????????
Thank you.
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7 July, 2010 at 3:43 pm
PS…Old Dutch? Fuck you.
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7 July, 2010 at 4:14 pm
Tim, you crack me up more than anyone else on here.
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7 July, 2010 at 5:42 pm
Thank you for providing a cogent response to my heretic provocations, CW-2.
Hope we can generate some revolutionary ideas here.
You write:
“[...] von Paulus was too rational and lost his nerve [...]”
Important point on pedantic rationalism (in response to Jim):
The pedantic rationalist thinks like an accountant, licks his pencil and meticulously scribbles numbers into his account book, ever mindful that to cross either the vertical or horizontal lines forming the neat little brackets, intended just for those numbers is “a definite no no“.
Pedantic rationalists also prefer stasis to action, because action implies risks, physical as well as social risks.
Even thinking in novel terms is “a definite no no” to the pedantic rationalist since it may cause his brain to short circuit.
Best to keep to the well established dogma on which we all can agree, because the “Ideals like honor, courage, Racial solidarity and sacrifice for a common good are NEVER going out of style.” and “Only by separating ourselves from ALL jews, niggers and muds, will a new Aryan Society be triumphant. Jews will ALWAYS manage to throw a monkey wrench into any attempt by Aryans to throw the jewish monkey off our back.”
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Huh what!?! . . . oh man sorry, I fell asleep reading Jim’s papistic regurgitations and I had this weird nightmare . . . it was about living in this stale old museum of a state based on “NS principles“, it was called “Aryan Folkish Society” . . . Phew! . . . Boring stuff . . . Ok I’m awake again . . .
So what are you saying there, Jim? That jews are invincible? And that we should all run away from them as far as we possibly can, hiding in perfect safety, even though it’s futile anyway?
And Then we will be “triumphant“?
That is going “fetal” par excellence.
I say let us stick around.
Use flexible tactics like Prinz Eugen at Belgrade.
Hijack globalism. Utilize it.
Compete in multiculturalism.
No need running away to hide in misty Shangri-La’s of perfect isolation and 100% racial purity.
A masters does not flee his property.
Yes, we can organize farm communities based on racial exclusivity and we should.
I support that.
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7 July, 2010 at 9:31 pm
Tim McGreen, your “poor innocent persecuted chosen people” act isn’t fooling anyone. Sorry, try again.
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7 July, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Oh, what do we have here? A stereotypical Hollywood Jewish joke about white people being inbred? Be careful, Tim, your Kikeyness is showing.
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7 July, 2010 at 10:03 pm
“that Jim Giles character is suspicious. The White Struggle is infested with flakes, kooks, sellouts, snitches, hypocties and backstabbers, so beware of whom you give your money and your trust to.”
…says “Tim”
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True enough, “Tim”. As you should well know. But you failed to mention FBI/CIA/ADL agents, trolls, and agent provocateurs. There are plenty of those too.
How come the omission?
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7 July, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Sounds like a bunch of antis bickering with each other’s sock puppets for lulz.
“We should, if necessary, embrace flexible opportunism and join forces temporarily with the yids.”
The troll’s calling card.
Look at the top of this site’s page. See the subhead? “No jews, just right.” The enemy attacks that principle every way he can, like a jew spermatozoon crazily trying to get into a white egg to poison it.
DEATH TO THE JEWS.
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7 July, 2010 at 10:56 pm
Samples of “Tim”s” highly intellectual posts. When he takes time off from discussing Shopenhower and Nietsechie, that is.
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7 July, 2010 at 3:43 pm
PS…Old Dutch? Fuck you.
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ZOG, the last time you had any pussy is when you were squeezed out of your sister’s birth canal. Inbred shit-for-brains.
PS….I’m still waiting for you to name the time and place so I can kick your stupid ass, boy. Come on, retard, don’t keep me waiting.
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“you never delete all the useless and insulting shit directed at me that has been posted by ZOG and Y. Doody? Not once have they ever contributed a damn thing to the conversation. All they do, and I mean ALL they do, is disrupt and insult.
I’d rather not waste time firing back at those two losers, because doing so drags down the level of discourse on this forum and no doubt discourages decent people from posting anything here. But I will not let those two retards get away with their infantile insults.”
Do note, kind readers, that our Yiddish Specialist In Residence, “Tim”, objects to “dragging down the level of discourse” and the inappropriate use of “insulting, infantile, and disruptive comments”. I absolutely agree. They should be not allowed. But that would require banning “Tim”.
And yet, who is the one and only person here who specializes in this “useless and insulting shit” (as he puts it, in his own words)? Who has been calling him any names or hurling any insults or threats at him? Who complains about “discouraging decent people”? In fact, who has the loudest, foulest New York Jew mouth on this board?
It is “Tim” — BY FAR!
Is quoting him considered “abusive”?
He has abused, bullied, threatened, and cursed at other posters here long enough.
Do note, dear readers, this is how the Jews are always able to get their way. This is how 2% of mouthy, pushy Jews can bully and intimitate 98% of the population. In other words, one mouthy Jew can herd 50 docile gentiles.
This is an excellent example of it.
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7 July, 2010 at 10:57 pm
Some quick comments concerning Jim Giles, versus ALL who came before, with the exception of Harold Covington:
Self-identified WNists usually look to a soft, wonderful Past, where they adopt the Forms of the NSDAP Cultural Moment, without the Cultural Substance that took the unemployment rate from over FIFTY percent, to virtually zero.
Wear the spiffy uniforms, sure, but today, Uncle Adolph would be wearing Hart, Schafner and Marx three-pieces when dealing with people he needed to work with effectively.
Giles seems to humiliate all too many of us, at the personal/household level, as Covington has done at the national/transnational level.
Giles signs his name to his works, and states clearly what he stands for, and why. To his enormous credit, he has transcended the Forms of Yesterday – keeping the Stars and Bars on the Mississippi state flag – to the Substance that generates the modern Cultural responses – Family and Faith as the Living Foundation of the Racial Nation.
Giles shows us what we COULD be doing, and what we SHOULD be doing, and all of his proposals pass the test of White Nationalism – they are consistent with Harold Covington’s Northwest Republic.
Giles asks the question we all fear:
“What, exactly, makes famous White Nationalist so respected, and what have they REALLY done?”
His analysis of Steele is impressive; you need not agree or disagree with Giles to ask what Steele has done that is particularly EFFECTIVE for our Race.
What, at the end of the day, have they DONE that really mattered, and why?
What would they do TODAY, to be more effective?
Why?
Look at the VNN 1.0 Archive, and see a fount of great analysis, and great ideas, including forming a Church that would support our Race and political organization, and ask yourself why none of this has taken place?
What is the functional equivalent of a circuit breaker that stops us from achieving much of anything of substance?
Rockwell made the same statement Steele (and Dr. David Duke!) did:
“When someone proposes you do something illegal, walk away from them, and go to the police.”
Someone is trying to stop us from making the most remote type of headway, and the answer has three basic components:
One, make yourself a better person.
Look at the Marine Corps height-weight standards, and look at the physical fitness test. Can you meet both, or even the first?
Two, make yourself into a better family man.
I am extending the definition of “family” to include those in your close social network.
Are you THE “Go-To-Guy” at where you work?
Are you making plans for developing a small business on the side, and linking them with people who *ahem* “see things the way you do?”
This is what David Lane favored, and that is a lesson he learned the very hard way.
“Hugh’s” great ideas on VNN/F on developing our social and managerial skills with practical political experience is an excellent, pragmatic plan we can all use, as that is a solid way to develop political effectiveness.
Three, see your life as the Living Foundation of a White Nation.
You would be surprised how receptive people are to the ideal of a White RACIAL Homeland.
Harold Covington, then and now, is THE Authority of what such a RACIAL Homeland would look like.
In conclusion, Giles asks – and addresses – the Question we all fear, and challenges us to fill in the blanks with the substance of our lives as they SHOULD become. Our prayer is to have the pain (that accompanies growth) go away.
Harold Covington, as always, places all Answers to that Question in the proper context – a RACIAL Homeland, where none may make afraid.
Oh, and Covington’s response to those who want the pain to (magically!) go away?
Be a stronger, better man.
He’s right.
Let’s acknowledge the good our Leaders of Yesterday have done – Rockwell, Pierce, Mathews – and make them proud of us by Doing Better.
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7 July, 2010 at 11:05 pm
Poor Timmy! Once again he’s appealing for help.
Those mean goys have been picking on him again.
They’re making him curse them, threaten them, and call them names. He shouldn’t have to take this kind of abuse. He’s supposed to get respect. The Agency never said it would be like this.
Its a shame what a troll has to go through to earn a living.
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7 July, 2010 at 11:08 pm
Welcome New America!
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7 July, 2010 at 11:19 pm
FABLE OF THE SERPENT AND THE CHICKENS
Hello out there, good people! Ever heard the story of the serpent and the chickens?
Oh no? Well then, let me tell you the tale.
Here it is.
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Once upon a time when the farmer was away, a cunning serpent slithered into the chicken coop, sprinkled itself with feathers, and coiling up upon a pile of eggs, pretended to be hatching them.
Only one chicken noticed.
Millicent (the smart hen): Squawk! Squawk! Wake up, girls! I think I see a serpent. There’s a snake in here amongst us. Eeek! Help! Farmer Brown, where are you?
Gertrude (the dumb cluck): Oh, don’t be silly, Millie! I dont see any serpent.
Millie: But she has beady eyes and theyre leering at us. And her feathers look strange too. I dont trust her. Something is wrong about her.
Gertie: Oh, cluck, cluck! Thats nonsense. Shes probably just moulting. Believe me, there arent any serpents in the hen house.
Millie: But I swear its a snake. It looks like a snake. It slithers like a snake. I think its a snake!
Gertie: Shame on you, Millicent! That isn’t a nice thing to say about another hen. Naughty! Everyone knows you cant judge someone by their looks. Thats stereoptying. Now just be nice and try to get along.
(Serpent grins broadly and waits till nightfall.)
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Much later that night —-
Millicent (the smart hen): Help, help! Squawk! I feel fangs on my neck. I see big beady eyes. Something cold is curling around me. I think its a serpent. Yeeetchh!
Gertrude (the dumb cluck): Oh, that silly Millie! Having one of her nightmares again. Pay her no attention, girls. Shes always imagining a snake under every pile of feathers.
Gertrude: Hmmm. Thats strange! I seem to have only four babies here. I thought I had five. Or was it six? I must have been mistaken. Ive never been good at higher math above one. Dear me, its getting so hard to keep track of young chicks these days. This young generation — so restless, always wandering off! Back in my day, when I was a young chick we stayed put and did what our mothers told us.
Well, anyway, everybody go back to sleep now. Theres nothing here to fuss about. The only snakes are in your imagination. We have no snakes in the chicken coop.
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8 July, 2010 at 12:01 am
ORION, I neve said that I thought that jews were invincible. We should fight the jews on all fronts. All that we really need to defeat these parasites is the sword of Truth. The jew is a perpetual liar and we need to stop believing the jews and their lies. Your idea of cooperation with these people makes no sense and would be suicidal if implemented. “Highjack globalism. Utilize it” and “Compete in multiculturalism” What kind of fuzzy headed reasoning is this.? I’m sorry ORION, but your ideas just do not make any sense.
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8 July, 2010 at 12:20 am
Jim Says:
“In some ways mulattoes and octaroons are more dangerous than full blooded niggers. They are more intelligent that the average nigger, but are filled with anger that they are not White and are forced to identify with their more simian brethren.”
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Well said, and I agree. They are definitely more dangerous and much more troublesome. All the so-called “black” leaders are nearly white.
When we carelessly gift them with our genes, they are able to turn them around and use them against us. It is, in a way, suicidal on our part.
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8 July, 2010 at 8:56 am
Yeah but what do you call a nigger brandishing a spade?
A: Obsolete agricultural equipment!
8 July, 2010 at 9:32 am
“We should stop reading and only act from now until death”. You sure must be following your own advice with that one ORION. You sound like you have not read a book in forty years.
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8 July, 2010 at 10:44 am
Timmy says ….” my Aryan sense of fair play impels me to give credit where it’s due.”
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What would you know about Aryan fair play?
Or about Aryan anything?
Spare me your compliments, serpent!
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8 July, 2010 at 11:15 am
Want to do something productive?
Buy and read from random passages in this book.
If it’s sold out there, try this site, that’s where I got mine.
There is no direct html to the book itself @ the second site.
It can be found under “Merchandise”.
8 July, 2010 at 3:40 pm
Oh, I forgot to include the Moral to the fable of the serpent and chickens. Sorry.
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MORAL: There’s isnt always a snake under every pile of feathers, but it pays to be suspicious and not assume anything.
(Or, put more simply: Dont be a dumb cluck!)
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8 July, 2010 at 4:51 pm
New America: “Harold Covington, as always, places all Answers to that Question in the proper context – a RACIAL Homeland, where none may make afraid.”
Ha! If none may make afraid in defendant Covington’s RACIAL Homeland, then why is he in hiding? What’s he afraid of?
Anyone want to bet that Jimmy Giles won’t be featured in the next SPLC Intelligence Report?
Bravo! and best wishes to Stan “the Man” Sikorski for stepping back up with a purpose, saying: “My main purpose is going to be canceling those that make a mockery out of White broadcasting.”
That shouldn’t be too difficult, Stan.
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8 July, 2010 at 7:12 pm
I live in Ohio and I cannot believe the hype and BS going on about whether the Negro ball dribbler LeBron James stays in Cleveland or goes elsewhere. This is an example of how far gone we have gone into the jew hellhole. I have heard white male crying on the air on talk shows about the Cavs losing in the NBA. These fuck heads thing that this nigger is some kind of SAVIOR to Cleveland Ohio and they would not mind if he would impregnate their white daughters! Maybe in the law of “SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST” the white race is not fit enough! It sure looks that way. I hope that I am wrong!
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8 July, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Hey Blackshirt,
Is Andreewwwwwwwwww…… (I once went to school with an Andrew, Teacher’s Pet he wuz….) referring to Jimmy Giles the ultra-GAY Bee Keeper??? That Jimmy Ghey Giles, also known as GG?
I thought he was a social Kahnservative when not flogging his fashion accessories like pink Bee Keeper’s suit and the automated blowhorn, wheich set on auto pilot types and sez stuff like…”You’re useless, please, please….gimmeeee, gimmmeeee….” “You’re a pussy, now donate to my radio show and bee keeping maintenance/supplies.” “Screw you, follow me!” and “I’m a ‘real’ man, git on yuh knees BOY!”
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8 July, 2010 at 9:26 pm
Anyone think the SPLC will file a civil suit against the New Black Panthers for millions of dollars for violating the civil rights of white people at a polling place? Oh I forgot, the victims were only white people so they have no civil rights and are non-persons in the eyes of mischling Morris Dees, Marky Mark Potok and the rest of their semitic gang of lawyers at the SPLC.
If we ever get an honest Attorney General his first order of business should be to charge the SPLC and ADL with the RICO act.
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8 July, 2010 at 9:53 pm
Giles has two suspicious sidekicks by the names of “Mona Montgomery” and “Hadding”. They both think they’re experts on the Ed Steele case and are convinced of his guilt as is screaming Jimbo Giles. I’m not sure who they think they’re fooling because both of them are obvious frauds.
No sincere white nationalist would be so eager to impugn the character of on of their own. Except perhaps a feeb or ADL operative posing as an online white nationalist.
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8 July, 2010 at 10:29 pm
Sgt. Skull says:
“Oh I forgot, the victims were only white people so they have no civil rights and are non-persons in the eyes of
mischling Morris Dees, Marky Mark Potok and the rest of their semitic gang of lawyers at the SPLC. “
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Michling Morris Dees [Moses Dies]. You sure got that right.
In fact, you got it ALL right.
I’ve always said it’s the mulattos and half-breeds who are the worst and the most dangerous.
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8 July, 2010 at 10:41 pm
The worst thing about the mixed breeds is that they’re not content to be just who they are, and leave well enough alone. They want everybody else to be that way too. They want to spread it around, popularize it, so they’ll feel less freakish.
And so we get the Moses Dies and Eric Holders who are obsessed with the subject.
Same thing with gays and even handicapped. I’m reading now that the deaf are objecting to new means to cure deafness in infants. They want their children to be deaf too, just like them! They consider deafness a normal condition, and attempts to cure it are “offensive”. It sounds incredible, but it’s true.
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9 July, 2010 at 12:00 am
Appoximately 90% of the negroid population in the ‘Kwa could probably be classified as “niggers”. The other 10% have managed to supress their niggerness enough to be marginally accepetable by Aryan standards. Niggers are always accusing Whites of being “prejudice ” against them because of their skin color, but among themselves, the mulattoes, octoroons, and quadroons are always looking down on their blacker “bruthus”. I once heard a darkie call another darkie a “black nigger”, and threatened to get his friend, who is a mulatto to beat the crap out of him.
9 July, 2010 at 1:23 am
FBI provocateur Jim Giles is looking for some “hard men” to join him in a three way with Mark Potok.
Paging Tim McGreen! Paging Tim McGreen!
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9 July, 2010 at 1:26 am
Yep.
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9 July, 2010 at 1:38 am
Will Williams Says:
8 July, 2010 at 4:51 pm
New America: “Harold Covington, as always, places all Answers to that Question in the proper context – a RACIAL Homeland, where none may make afraid.”
Ha! If none may make afraid in defendant Covington’s RACIAL Homeland, then why is he in hiding? What’s he afraid of?
Anyone want to bet that Jimmy Giles won’t be featured in the next SPLC Intelligence Report?
Bravo! and best wishes to Stan “the Man” Sikorski for stepping back up with a purpose, saying: “My main purpose is going to be canceling those that make a mockery out of White broadcasting.”
That shouldn’t be too difficult, Stan.
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9 July, 2010 at 9:08 am
Sgt Skull: “Giles has two suspicious sidekicks by the names of “Mona Montgomery” and “Hadding”. They both think they’re experts on the Ed Steele case and are convinced of his guilt as is screaming Jimbo Giles. I’m not sure who they think they’re fooling because both of them are obvious frauds.
No sincere white nationalist would be so eager to impugn the character of on of their own. Except perhaps a feeb or ADL operative posing as an online white nationalist.”
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For what it’s worth, I’ve known Hadding for 18 years, and he’s no agent of JOG or of our Jewish watchdogs. To suggest that he is is absurd. And because Alex Linder declares Hadding a “liar” and “deviant,” doesn’t make it so.
Hadding is a bright and effective debater and as dedicated as they come. Be glad that Giles asked Hadding to help him with his blog and that Hadding accepted. That does not mean Hadding agrees with Giles on very much. He will hopefully temper Giles’s wildness and help him become more objective.
If there were a better option available for Hadding to follow by which he could lend his skills and experience toward the cause, I’m sure he, like most of us, would choose it.
Can you suggest that better option?
When Hadding and I were working together in Pierce’s National Alliance, we didn’t spend our time playing devil’s advocate, speculating endlessly on the guilt or innocence of some non-member who wasn’t engaged in Alliance-building — we had work to do and that work was our focus.
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9 July, 2010 at 1:00 pm
New Amerikwan,
Hey, GG called something about that rally for Gay Bee Keepers in DC mid-August. Bring your pink attire to help get the message out.
“We are Gay Bee Keepers” (formerly part of Fags Anonymous), sez one placard.
“We want recognition now!” sez the other placard.
So New Amerkwan that’ll be you and your ‘hero’ GG doing the rally to bring about that New Amirikwan you so desire. Ask Rabbi Harold Glass-Covington to come along too. Then you’ll have a threesome for later. Bring your gimp suit as they’re ‘HARD’ men and you’re a peon. If they call ‘Zed’ you’re in real trouble, boy!
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9 July, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Re the hearing thing- it’z just another example of egalitarianism. Everything’s as good as everything.
Nothing is as good as something. Deaf is as good as normal hearing. Dumb is as good as smart. Buttfucking is as good as actual sex. Dead is as good as alive. Lying is just as good as truth-telling.
What if a group opposes egalitarianism? Wouldn’t that view be as good as any other? It’z all based on circularity, and hilarity.
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9 July, 2010 at 4:41 pm
E-Kwan-tity and E-kwan-lity, it just oozes out every pore in a jewss obnoxious schnozim, like a bunch of fuckin rabbis debatin the word
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9 July, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Interesting post, New America.
However, if I may add a frank comment — meant only helpfully and without intending offense — your constant obscure references to such (persons?) as Shank, Breiseis, Hadding, Mona, and various other unknowns mean absolutely NOTHING to many people here!
You must realize that we are not all so deeply into this as you are. You leave us floundering and wondering what the heck you are talking about. You might as well be writing it in Chinese, for all the good it does. I just hate to see someone who is obviously so sincere wasting your time this way.
You seem to assume that we all know these things. We don’t! Certainly, I don’t. Does that occur to you?
As I said, no offense meant, just a helpful suggestion. You seem to be talking to a select group of cognoscenti. In a way, it reminds me of the pretentious, annoying ‘intellectuals’ on Majority Rights who are all striving to dazzle one another in their private little conversation — while baffling everyone else who drops by. There are many casual readers and tyros out here. You mustn’t assume that we are all so knowledgeable as you are.
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9 July, 2010 at 4:47 pm
Ease up on the tookas kissing, Henry. Anyone who follows Grand Rebbe Glass-Covington is suspect.
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“Because the bottom line here is that my brother (Rebbe Glass-Tubbington) is a coward. He has always been a coward and he will die a coward. The thing that bothers me about these Northwest trilogy books is that he is going to pick up some poor, deluded kid (New Amerikwan) who is going to read these marvelous tomes about how white people can fight back, about how “we’re going to kill all the niggers and the Jews and the mestizos,” about how “we’re going to form this great Aryan republic in the Pacific Northwest,”…………. And this poor dumb kid (New Amerikwan) is going to go out and ruin somebody’s life. And that scares me to death.”
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Me too.
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9 July, 2010 at 6:23 pm
I cant tell you how many fruit cakes I have met in the “movement”. I honestly do not think I have met more than a very small handful of genuinely good people. It is either all about hate or they “turned” racist due to some moronic episode.
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9 July, 2010 at 7:26 pm
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9 July, 2010 at 7:38 pm
If Hitler, Rosenberg, Drexler, Heydrich, Himmler et al returned tomorrow, I surmise they might be flattered and view with optimism how a considerable number of people choose to identify themselves as National Socialists and work with that philosophy as a touchstone; a working hypothesis.
I conjecture also that they may, after a while, come to appreciate that some successor groups tend to more original, revolutionary and dynamic than other.
In other words they might recollect the once youthful, revolutionary nature of NSDAP itself, observing the principle that wholesale plagiarism, even of a highly worthwhile weltanschauung such as National Socialism, is always a sign of weakness.
9 July, 2010 at 7:47 pm
haven’t been able to post any longer comments on this thread today.
Is there a limit to the number of words per person per thread, or is this thought-crime censorship I am witnessing?
I know I posted some heavily iconoclast heresies in the last few days . . . This was intentional as I hoped to generate some cogent responses.
This is dissapointing. I thought VNN was a free speech stronghold . . .
9 July, 2010 at 9:18 pm
Will Williams said:
“When Hadding and I were working together in Pierce’s National Alliance, we didn’t spend our time playing devil’s advocate, speculating endlessly on the guilt or innocence of some non-member who wasn’t engaged in Alliance-building — we had work to do and that work was our focus.”
Looks like Hadding has had a change of heart because he’s spilled a great deal of “ink” on internet forums trying to prove Steel’s guilt or at least raise doubts about his presumed innocence with little more than media innuendo and hearsay evidence. Why don’t you, Jimbo and he focus on our real enemies like the New Black Panthers and their recent call for violence against tea partiers and other whites?
New America said:
“You are practicing what Dr. David Duke called for in his New Orleans Protocol, the White Nationalist Variation on the Republican’s Eleventh Commandment – “Thou shalt not criticize another White Nationalist.””
Yes, the hour is very late we need to end petty, unfounded personal attacks on each other. That can’t be achieved by attacking those who have proven to be on our side and while Steele is imperfect he is without a doubt in the white nationalist corner. Hal Turner’s reckless comments and behavior were always cause for suspicion but there was no smoking gun about his activities as an government informer until his computer was hacked. His over the top rhetoric got him kicked out of the National Alliance as I recall.
Edgar Steele, by contrast, has always handled himself with class and aplomb while skewering Jews and other enemies of white people. His “Nickel Rants” were of a style and content similar to William Pierce’s ADV broadcasts. He doesn’t whore for donations and he doesn’t attack other white racial activists simply because they look weird.
And Giles is part of our warrior caste as you call it? If screaming threats and obscenities into a mic is your criteria for bravery and toughness then we have a very serious problem. Ever heard of walk softly and carry a big stick?
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10 July, 2010 at 3:05 am
“Dave Says:
9 July, 2010 at 6:23 pm
I cant tell you how many fruit cakes I have met in the “movement”. I honestly do not think I have met more than a very small handful of genuinely good people. It is either all about hate or they “turned” racist due to some moronic episode.”
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Very true, Dave. Very true indeed. But I remember when I was in the Army years ago I met more than a few smart, decent, racially-concious young White soldiers. A lot of them made little or no effort to hide it, either. I only wish I was as aware back then as they were. I imagine the military nowadays is extremely hostile to even the smallest hint of White Pride. Even a Rebel Flag license plate on your car is enough to set off the niggers and PC officers. I couldn’t say how Jew-wise they were, though. There are very few Jews in the US military, except those working as spies for Israel or as specialists in the torturing of Arab prisoners.
Over the years, I have occaisionally encountered a few pro-White students and coworkers…More really good, smart, decent people. But there is never any organization!!!!! We are all separated from each other like planets orbiting around different stars. I just hope our vulgarized and Judaized modern society has not killed off the instinct for racial awareness that so many Whites used to have. It’s hard for me to gauge the level of racial awareness in Whites these days.
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10 July, 2010 at 9:16 am
@ Jim.
I went back and read your responses to my comment on kike produced shitcoms on the Marriage, Children Now Optional thread of 15 June.
I must admit that you actually supported it.
Must have mistaken you for Tim McGreen who made the thread fade completely by telling about how TV shows were really “great”.
My mistake. Sorry about that.
Not quite Jim. Here is the actual quote:
5. We should, if necessary, embrace flexible opportunism and join forces temporarily with the yids.
Allow me to elaborate.
The white race has 3 main mortal enemies: kikes, arabs and chinese.
Each racial enemy employs distinctly different tactics, based on seperate, culturally determined strategic inclinations.
The kikes use mind subversion through diverse culturally transmitted mind poisoning schemes.
The arabs rape our women and slit throats openly while colonizing aggressively on our territories.
The chinese infiltrate slowly and discreetly, but are similar to kikes in their financial acumen.
Two of these mortal enemies of ours are locked in a vicious and bloody feud.
In these circumstances of arabs generally raping our women and kikes mostly raping their souls (which I find of equal gravity) I must say, that I find it unfortunate if the message from our camp is:
“We will NEVER do such and such”.
That is just too damn predictable and easy to exploit.
In my opinion we should keep our cards hidden and let our enemies guess what we may or may not choose to do.
As I’m sure you appreciate from reading my comment on kike-produced shitcoms, I am wary and intolerant of the well established kikish media mindfucking onslaught.
However, I do find israeli nationalistic zionism advantageous, educational, and at the very least, highly exploitable, to our cause*.
*Surviving, Improving, Expanding.
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10 July, 2010 at 9:54 am
A Weekend With Dr. Pierce
by Edgar J. Steele
June 30, 2004
I spent this past weekend with Dr. William L. Pierce, founder of the National Alliance. In fact, he had an extended visit with my whole family.
Yes, I know he died two years ago. No, it wasn’t like a Weekend at Bernie’s. His weekly columns…er, talks are available on tape from the National Alliance and I was fortunate enough to have acquired a substantial set of them recently. I took my family on a long car trip to Portland (8 hours each way) and we listened to many of them. What a great way to take back your children from the propagandizing effect of TV!
I used to read Dr. Pierce’s commentary religiously, but rarely listened to the Internet downloads. My loss, it turns out. Now I realize that those were simply transcripts of his prepared talks, not just articles he read over the air. The difference is significant. Writing for public speaking is a very different creature from writing for printed consumption. Listening to Dr. Pierce produces a very different effect from merely reading the transcripts.
Mind you, I always found his writing to be cogent and to the point. However, his verbal delivery adds a dimension of clarity and persuasiveness that is not apparent in the written word. What Pierce had to say four and five years ago is even more compelling today. The issues are the same, but substantially worse. I can all but hear him talking about the need to drive a stake through the heart of today’s Bush Administration.
Always, Pierce spoke forcefully about taking back America and reversing the drive toward diversity and multiculturalism. More than anyone else, perhaps, Pierce spoke endlessly about the role of Jews in the ongoing destruction of America.
Pierce was one of a kind. Intellectual. Orator. Author. Activist. Organizer. Leader. But he wasn’t a cultist, whose organization fades when its leader goes. The National Alliance (NA) seems stronger than ever. Indeed, the need for the National Alliance is greater than ever. The NA has active chapters all over America and I commend them to you.
Erich Gliebe is the new Chairman and his organizational ability is reflected in the unswerving loyalty apparent in so many of the NA’s more active members…
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Woops! Ed got it right up to that point. But , Boy, was he fooled! This was two years after Dr. Pierce’s death and the Alliance was already in a death spiral with many of the most loyal Pierce followers having already “swerved” from Gliebe’s train wreck. Edgar knew this, but was trying to paint a pretty picture here by putting lipstick on Gliebe’s pig.
I and another Alliance friend were responsible for putting those “Best of Dr. Pierce” audiotapes directly into Ed Steele’s hands. That was our job; we did our job. We made and distributed over 20,000 of those ADV audiotapes, purposefully getting them into the hands of men like Steele, who would have a multiplying effect as he promoted them further.
Sgt Skull asks me: “Why don’t you, Jimbo [Giles] and [Hadding] focus on our real enemies like the New Black Panthers and their recent call for violence against tea partiers and other whites?”
Why don’t you do that, Sarge? Being a reactionary to nigger degradation is not my job. New Black Panther thugs are a symptom, not the cause of our race’s problems.
Hadding can speak for himself. You want a defense of Edgar Steele on the Jimmy Giles Show? Go get an earful as Harold Covington and April “Come Home to the NW” Gaede defend him for four hours with Jimmy G, if you can take it, here, from defendant Covington’s blog:
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HAC & April Gaede Radio Appearance
Posted Jul 1 2010 by Harold
Hi, guys:
This morning April Gaede and I appeared for about an hour on Jim Giles’ Radio Free Mississippi show, talking about the Edgar Steele case. The audio file can be downloaded from
http://www.radiofreemississippi.net/audio/RFM-2010-07-01-Socrates.mp3
HAC
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I’m not in these folks’ “movement,” Sarge, and what they have to say doesn’t interest me. They see me as their enemy, which is how I like it. I’m quite sure that Dr. Pierce would be disgusted with all of them for the compromises they’ve made, if they ever understood his teachings to begin with.
Where’s the one serious, uncompromising Internet radio show that gets things back on a positive track, as Pierce envisioned? If all there is Giles, Gaede and Covington, I’ll just stay hunkered down here on the mountain and wait things out with my hillbilly neighbors, thanks.
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10 July, 2010 at 10:27 am
ORION, joining forces, even temporarily with the yids would be suicidal to our Cause. Remember that the Arabs would NEVER be taking over our White homelands and raping our women if they were not let in by the YIDs. The Chinese would never be the manufacturing center of the world if the YIDs had not been behind the Globalization process which has effectively stripped all White nations of their industrial base. The Chinese may be good in financial affairs, but they are far from coming close to the YIDs in orchestrating the total collapse of every form of economic system that they have controlled. True, ORION, the Arabs and Chinese may be formidable competitors but they are NOT our subverters and destroyers.
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10 July, 2010 at 10:34 am
Why all the fuss about Jim Giles. He is only a thoroughly pissed off White guy who lives in Nigger Central (Mississippi) in a ten thousand dollar trailer at the end of a forty foot (or whatever the hell length it is) dirt road. The guy has an ego a mile long and evidentely is not getting enough pussy, but I highly doubt if he is an informer a la Hal Turner. He always emphasizes strict legality and even threatens to inform the feds if anyone advocates illegal activity; hardy a strategy to take if he were actually working for the feds.
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10 July, 2010 at 10:45 am
In my opinion… I believe Jim Giles does a good show. Although he really does need to tone down the anti-white rhetoric. As far as him being a provocateur, that thought has entered my mind as well. I really don’t believe that to be the case, but who knows? Just keep things legal and it won’t matter.
Also, I believe Steele should be considered innocent, at least until proven guilty and then I’d even wonder. It would be hard to defend the guy too much at this time because we really don’t know one way or the other. But on the other hand, should we be like the jew-medi….. excuse me the…. “nigger-media” and claim or insinuate he is guilty?
And while it is true that there are White groups and individuals who do indeed make money off the so-called “movement” – is it really necessary to continually down the “white money movement?”
As far as “David Duck” – while I will reserve any negative comments, he does more good than harm.
Same goes for Don Black’s cash cow, SF. Yes, they make money off the site but, especially in light of Derrick and Don’s new radio show, they do more good than harm.
If people are really worried about how their money is spent, I would suggest to them to not send the $100 bills, send a few dollars here and there as support instead. I learned that lesson well from HT and Linder. I sent the $100 bills only to later regret it – as I was F’d in one way or the other. So, I feel a ten or twenty here and there would be more appropriate. Even as much as we may despise some pro-white sites and/or individuals, when it gets right down to it, we are better off with the little benefit we can gain from active sites verses the non-benefit of not having the sites. Look at all the broadcasts, videos and other info we would lose if they weren’t around. And, unfortunately, in most cases, it takes money to do these things.
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Also, while I have and do support VOR, I wanted to ask others opinions…. I thought VOR started off great, I liked all the shows. But now, with the exception of Dietrich & Mishko’s show and maybe even Kelso’s repetitive shows, are all the other shows just a bunch of intellectual garbage? I’m serious, maybe it’s just me – any opinions?
LOL – and one last thing, the ‘Patriot Dames” (really just the Susie Show) – even though some of the shows I absolutely hated, I still listen and enjoy ‘her’ show. Any opinions on that?
Racial Regards…..
10 July, 2010 at 11:17 am
expose them all, I basically agree with your comments on Jim Giles. He is far too critical of leaders of the White movement and blind to his own faults. At this point, he would never make a good leader, although he is right on the money when he rants about “Niggers at large who will rob, rape and kill you”. We need someone like Giles who does not monkey fart around about calling a spade a spade. He can be highly articulate when he wants to be and is very respecful to his guests on his podcasts. In spite of all his flaws, I say, “Two cheers for Jim Giles”.
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10 July, 2010 at 11:24 am
New Amerikwa says:
“Harold Covington supplies the Vision.
Giles supplies the brains, and the balls.”
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Oh, really? Giles’s brains and balls aside for the moment, what do you think of the expose of your visionary leader in this link that Sulla Man provided, above?:
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2008/winter/little-big-man
For the sake of brevity, just this portion, please, where Ben Covington is discussing about his big brother Harold’s disastrous military career:
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“They put Harold on restrictive duty, and they ordered him to see the base psychiatrist to be evaluated as to whether or not he was medically fit to be in the military. Ultimately, he was in fact diagnosed as having paranoid personality disorder…He was determined to be medically unfit, and he was discharged from the Army in 1972.”
Harold’s other brother, Forrest, went further and described his brother’s mental illness that resulted in a “Section 8″ military discharge in ’72 further as full-blown paranoid schizophrenia, not simply a paranoid personality disorder. Forrest said his brother is “very delusional, pretty much out of it” and “should be locked up or committed” to ensure he stays on his medication.
A delusional visionary? How do you square that, New Amerikwa? You seem to be a little deluded yourself the way you promote such a well-known liar, coward and outright fraud as “visionary.”
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10 July, 2010 at 12:21 pm
Harold Covington’s vision of a White homeland in the Pacific Northwest sounds good in theory, but how will it be defended? If ZOG had all those White Nationalists gathered together in one location it would just be like the “Great Marianas Turkey Shoot” of World Jew War Two.
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10 July, 2010 at 12:28 pm
If Hitler, Rosenberg, Drexler, Heydrich, Himmler, et al returned tomorrow, I surmise they might be flattered and view with optimism how a considerable number of people choose to identify themselves as National Socialists and operate with that philosophy as a touchstone; a working hypothesis.
I conjecture also that they may, after a while, come to appreciate that some successor groups tend to more original, revolutionary and dynamic than other.
In other words they might recollect the once youthful, revolutionary nature of NSDAP itself, observing the principle that wholesale plagiarism, even of a highly worthwhile weltanschauung such as National Socialism, is always a sign of weakness.
I must note here that many contemporary offshoots of National Socialism do manifest themselves with originality, adaptability and, most importantly, dynamic fortitude.
One such virile branch on the hitlerian tree is the revolutionary, unpredictable and dynamic NPD, with its sub groupings mostly in Germany proper.
The NPD has succeeded in creating a new esthetic appealing to the youth and has, with often sheer brilliance under heavy federal repression, ignited a chain reaction of highly energized youths, self-organizing into a myriad of splintergroups.
All with the common denominators of genuine benevolent racism, and german nationalism.
Another distinctive development with a new vigorously original approach is what, perhaps later, will come to be known as metzgerianism [LOL].
hopefully many decades will pass before such an honorary derivation is applied.
TT still bites with venomous fangs.
So we shall refrain from formalizing his living legacy into a rigid ism just yet.
Leaderless resistance, lone wolfism, and a complete lack of respect for obtuse tradition and convention, have all made WAR/Insurgent a respected autonomous force moving forward (and rarely looking back).
A third exception to wholesale NS plagiarism is VNN itself.
A. Linder and company continuously cut new paths through the jungle of dogma with the sharp machetes of irreverence and humor.
Conservatism has certainly been reinvigorated through the racist redefining by Linder and VNNF.
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I have before me a copy of Das Programm der NSDAP und seine weltanschaulichen Grundgedanken, published originally in 1927 by Gottfried Feder, containing the well known Die 25 Punkte from February 1920.
This document is worthwhile to read and I can recommend the english translation The Programme of the NSDAP – The National Socialist German Workers’ Party and its General Conceptions, published by Preuss/Third Reich Books in 2003.
I will list a few relevant passages, and a few obsolete ones.
Relevant:
Point 4 (concise; to the point).
None but members of the nation may be citizens of the State.
None but those of German blood, whatever their creed, may be members of the nation.
No Jew, therefore, may be a member of the nation.
Point 6 (Democratism pwned).
[. . .] We oppose the corrupting custom of Parliament of filling posts merely with a view to party considerations, and without reference to character or capability.
Point 11 (TARP, Wailing Wall Street, pwned).
Abolition of incomes unearned by work.
Abolition of the Bondage of interest.
Point 12 (Congoleezas, Dicky C’s. take note).
In view of the enormous sacrifice of life and property demanded of a nation by every war, personal enrichment due to a war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore ruthless confiscation of all war gains.
Point 18 (somewhat harsh, but very relevant).
We demand ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Sordid criminals against
the nation, usurers, profiteers, etc. must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.
Obsolete:
Point 2 (Hall of Mirrors).
We demand equality of rights for the German People in its dealings with other nations, and abolition of the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.
Point 13 (National Bolshevism?).
We demand nationalisation of all businesses which have been up to the present formed into companies (Trusts).
After having re-read the 25 points I must say, It actually kicks ass pretty much all of it.
A few exceptions more come across as somewhat north korean style stalinist in their obligatory gymnastics and land confiscations, but over all, it’s a powerful document adressing matters still relevant today.
Still I maintain that it is crucial for our generation to write our own manifestos; to adapt to the peculiarities of this age with our own solutions and novel ideas.
I mentioned the hitlerian tree earlier, with the NPD, WAR/Insurgent and VNN branches.
Perhaps it would be highly advantageous if the fruits growing on those branches would result in . . .
. . . new young trees, able to carry the fight of racial survival and ultimately racial improvement into the next millennia and to the stars.
We can look back (and up) at the old National Socialist Tree with admiration, for sure, and let us inspire, certainly.
But a lot has changed since 1920, primarily the WWW, Space Age Technology and the population explosion.
National Socialism was both revolutionary and deeply conservative. A paradox that changed the world forever.
We can take the best elements from it and fuse them into third millennium political dynamics.
It will be naïve, however, to believe that lasting solutions to the racial challenges of the 2010?s, 2020?s and beyond can be looked up in a manual, however sympathetic we may be inclined to its authors.
Similarly, Hitler would have been wrong to follow the exact example of german heroes of his past.
And perhaps he was wrong in precisely that; believing that the 18th century exploits of Frederick the Great could be instructive in 1945, for example.
Forward, Upward!
Keep on smashing dogmas and breaking idols.
We are neither left nor right. We are the front!
We shall lead History, not opt out and retreat.
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10 July, 2010 at 1:42 pm
@O*R*I*O*N
“Many white females have a tendency toward severe infidelity in matters regarding their own race.
They are accustomed to WN/Pan-Aryan Males proclaiming eternal loyalty to them all the time.
It seems to have some disadvantageous psychological impacts on white females being 100% sure that they hold the only key to white survival, combined with the knowledge that fidelity from WN/Pan-Aryan Males is a sort of default option always available. This ostensibly because we have no other option due to the supposed recessive genes of whites.”
Finally someone who understands Game!!!
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10 July, 2010 at 2:36 pm
No, New Amerikwan, your focus is Star Trek figurines from your Mommy’s basement. Unlike YOU, Will Williams is a Vietnam Vet and an ex-Green Beret. Not exactly pussies (and before the program got watered down, only white men were in it) and you are lecturing him? Only from a turd like yourself could that be possible who holds up 1/4 breed, batshit schizo crazy and uber-coward Glass-Covington as a role model for the future.
Essentially what you’re saying, MORON, is put your hands over your ears, go lallaalllaaaaaaaaalalalalalaaaaaaaaa……..[blocking out all outside noises and interference] and hold your nose to the stench and truth regarding Harold the Hutt! Right? All for daaaaaaaaaaaa duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh future!
Excuse me, I seem to remember the old adage that those who don’t learn from the past are condemned to repeat it!!?? Oh, right, doesn’t apply to your “role model” does it? Then again you’re in an alternate universe with a 5 year mission, to discover new lands, new civilizations and to boldly go where no man has gone before! [cue Star Trek music]
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10 July, 2010 at 5:26 pm
Those of you who gave thumbs down to my intentionally iconoclast statements, please respond and tell me what you think and why.
And verbatim quotes, thank you (just copy and paste).
I put some effort into providing provocative, substantial arguments, so the misrepresentations and over-simplifying knee-jerk reactions are really non-productive.
@Blackshirt:
You wrote:
I think we all have made that observation by now, yes.
What I attempted was to explain why that is so:
What if this recessiveness is mostly due to the fact that mixed-race couples in the west are almost all of the muddy male-white female variety?
To me personally, the sight of the typical miscegenating couple (monkey/female) is orders of magnitude more painful to observe than the reverse.
This surely has genetic implications.
I am not a genetic scientist but my thesis is basically that in interracial mating the so called recessiveness of white genes is actually the recessiveness of racetraiting female genes. These happen to be correlated to white genes due to the statistical overrepresentation of white miscegenating mothers.
Further:
Barry Soetoro, a.k.a. Barack Obama is the prototypical “black mulatto” with loyalty to the father’s darkness to the extent that his complete identity is defined as “black”, even african, by himself and the milieu.
“Beige mulattoes” are certainly extremely rare, but there must be a few existing presently with affinities leaning toward the culture and, to an extent, also the blood of their white fathers.
Let me repeat: “beige mulattoes” are obviously not desirable as an end result of multiethnicity, but in an intensifying global race war their type would be less deleterious than the Soetoro type “black mulatto”.
So let me spell this out in unequivocal terms:
WHITE RACE-CONSCIOUS FATHER = WHITE-LEANINIG KID
WHITE RACE-TREASONOUS MOTHER = BARACK OBAMA
@Jim:
You wrote (verbatim):
You ask what kind of reasoning? Read it again. Verbatim:
Let us dominate globalism; let us win multiculturalism.
These two phenomena must self-evidently be utilized to our maximum advantage.
At present much of WNism is on eternal retreat from globalism and multiculturalism; quivering in preservationist angst in stale hedgehog positions behind ever shrinking frontlines.
Ruling supreme the empires erected by our ancestors from behind fences of tiny, all male ethno-cultural museum pieces is an absurd and, frankly, pathetic pipedream.
Further:
I say let us stick around.
Use flexible tactics like Prinz Eugen at Belgrade.
Hijack globalism. Utilize it.
Compete in multiculturalism.
No need running away to hide in misty Shangri-La’s of perfect isolation and 100% racial purity.
I assume you need a translation. Your wish is granted:
OPTING OUT = LOSING
QUIVERING BEFORE MULTICULTURALISM = LOSING
What will get WN/Pan-Aryanism absolutely nowhere is:
1 Dogmatist regurgitations
2 Worshipping kikes through fear
3 All-or-nothing defeatism
This planet is crowding up – nowhere to run (but space. And that is long term).
So be it.
Post scriptum:
Even if there was a place to run, I would prefer to stand my ground. No promises.
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10 July, 2010 at 8:34 pm
This is a pretty good open thread.
This is both what we have to preserve, and prevent. All in one video. Pay attention to the playing and then notice the bass drummer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUQV5gvH4Ro&feature=related
And then just some good white fun…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZCT8H-Hpbc
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10 July, 2010 at 9:23 pm
New America, what do you mean by the statement, “It will be defended, in large part by geographic distance and political indifference” That doesn’t even make sense. Actually, the ONLY way possible for a White Republic to be brought into realization anywhere in North America, is if and when the entire system collapses and goes into free fall. With the Central jewish governing authority in a state of collapse, there will many different factions vying for control, and a process of “balkanization” is likely to occur. A better choice for a new White Homeland might be Northern New England, including Maine and Nova Scotia. At least it will be on the Atlantic Seaboard facing the European Motherland. The Pacific will ultimately be an Asian Ocean, and Portland and Seattle may become Mongoloid strongholds.
10 July, 2010 at 9:42 pm
@ Jim
Jim you are making more and more sense to me. I am not quite sure about your last post but aside from that…
Has anyone else here connected the dots yet. That is between the subs we have posted near China the fighter jets stationed in Hawaii and the coming confrontation with Iran! Also pay attention to the ICBM tests launched successfully at the Marshal islands. Here it comes.
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10 July, 2010 at 11:06 pm
Dave, I don’t understand what the coming jew war against Iran has to do with subs in China. Are you suggesting that China may come to the defense of Iran? China and Russia are both members of the SCO and have a stake in preventing the oil of the Middle East from falling TOTALLY under zionist control, but would they risk WWIII? China has the manpower and Russia has the nukes to take on the Jew World Order, but unfortunately, both nations still function largely within the jew money system and have a stake in not upsetting the status quo. We shall see.
10 July, 2010 at 11:16 pm
New America, what you do seem go understand is that this country is TOTALLY under jewish control, and as long as it is under jewish control there is not the slightest possibility that a White Homeland will ever be allowed to be established. Don’t kid yourself. This is the most powerful empire that has ever existed. The Jewnighted States Military spends more money that all other nations combined. You are naive to think if ZOG can go halfway around the world to crush Nationalist movements that try to oppose the Jew World Order, they could not and would not easily crush a budding White Nationalist State in its own back yard?
10 July, 2010 at 11:25 pm
“I have proposed this many times on VNN, and not ONCE has anyone taken me up on it.”
Who are YOU that anyone should? What have YOU done besides shill for Rabbi Glass-Covington?
“This is why I am having less to do with VNN, and have all but disengaged from what was an excellent site; everyone wants to bitch and complain helplessly, and precious few are even willing to consider effective action in response to the threats our Race faces.”
Welcome to Humanity dummy! Every group says that. It will continue to happen and IF something is formed no Covingtard like yourself will help get it off the ground. I think you’re either Harold the Hutt himself or too fucking stunned to be of any use if you’re not. Sorry, I’m sure as an excellent sycophant and parade master for El Tubbo you’re very good at changing his adult diapers.
“Think “Freudian Mirror,” guys.”
Freud, huh? Is that a Freudian slip New Ameriikahn???
“TRY writing that letter I referred to.”
Dear self, future self, and note to self, remember to promote a fat bag of wind and greasy rat bearded 1/4 Joooo guy endlessly. Make sure to buy a seacan of adult diapers so when the transformation happens to the Jooo, errr….new republik he’s well stocked. Don’t forget the Freud bust and Spock Star Trek figurines/memorabilia (Starfleet uniform). Always remember the mission with Commander Glass-Covington’s new slogan: We’re on a 5 year mission to explore new lands and new civilizations to boldly go where no transgendered, errrr………man, has gone before. [cue MP3 Star Trek theme].
“Hell, try OUTLINING that letter.”
Dear self, future self, and note to self, remember……….my new name for the New Republik. Its New Amerikahn. First order of business diplomatic relations with a certain ME country.
“Let’s see how those who criticize us see the world as it is, and the world as it will be, and what they propose to DO about it.”
Can I ponder this on the throne? You’ve given me a lot to think about [plop] sub-commander New Amerikahn of the Republican Starfleet [plop].
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10 July, 2010 at 11:27 pm
ORION, you don’t DOMINATE globalism or WIN multiculturalism. As White Nationalists, we will only win by ELIMINATING both globalism and multiculturalism and creating a homogeneous Racial State based on Nationalist principles. You never win by crawling in bed with the enemy and play by HIS rules, even temporarily. WE must create the rules and FORCE the enemy to play by OUR rules.
10 July, 2010 at 11:31 pm
Correction: New America, what you do not seem to understand——
11 July, 2010 at 12:26 am
Hello, New Amerikahn, please come.
Yes, Doctor, how can I help you?
New Amerikahn I’m Dr. Lucius Cornelius Sulla and I’m to understand one [looking at file] Mr. Harold Glass-Covington of Olympia, Washington is your recent Life Partner, correct?
Uhhhhh……yeah, but how did you……..?
Nevermind New Amerikahn, Mr. Harold Glass-Covington has been working with a special task force for years and I’m their in-house psychiatrist.
But I didn’t know….I……
Yes, yes, yes, we know they never do [muffled speaking]. Anyway, Operation Shit Disturber was and is a complete success, however, we/I called you in for a more pertinent matter: Mr. Harold Glass-Covington. Its been more apparent that Harold is been negligent on taking his meds because for the past few years his delusions of grandeur and schizophrenia have been undermining the mission. We need you, his new Life Partner, to monitor him and keep him on track. I’m sure you’re aware of the shock jock Hal Turner? He was one of the task force’s brightest stars, he fooled more than a few people, but he had limited potential and was greedy whereas Harold is a proven workhorse of over 20+ years but we have to keep him focused, okay?
[A stunned, perplexed and befuddled look] But Dr. Sulla what about the New Republik?
[heavy sigh with a roll of the eyes] Son, the “Republik” is real, yes, in your mind, even Harold’s, and you can keep the flame alive, absolutely, just keep Mr. Harold Glass-Covington focused on the WN movement, destroying possible leaders that may “compete” with his “leadership” and gather as much Intel as possible for the Seattle district office, okay?
Now, here are the meds I’ve prescribed for his delusions and schizophrenia. They’re all fully categorized and make sure he takes those pills for his rectal and bladder incontinence, oh, and make sure he stays away from the beer. We know he likes his liquor and try to keep him on a more sensible diet other than cheetos and whoppers. We’re not subsidizing him just so our investment ends up in the emergency room with a coronary.
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11 July, 2010 at 3:49 am
O*R*I*O*N Says:
“Those of you who gave thumbs down to my intentionally iconoclast statements, please respond and tell me what you think and why.”
What do I think? I think you’re a pompous, self-important windbag, that’s what I think. “Intentionally iconoclastic”…. Please. Yeah, O*B*O*R*I*N*G, you’re a real rebel. Another James Dean.
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“Must have mistaken you for Tim McGreen who made the thread fade completely by telling about how TV shows were really “great”.
My mistake. Sorry about that.”
Ladies and gentlemen, this clown is simply New Amerikwan posting under a different name. There cannot possibly be two long-winded blowhards posting simultaneously on the same thread of the same website. The odds favoring such an occurrence are astronomical.
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11 July, 2010 at 5:24 am
@Jim
You wrote:
Sounds like all-or-nothing defeatism to me.
When you use the word only, you imply that if your, rather grandiose, criteria of succes are not fulfilled 100%, we will “not win“.
For this debate to have meaning, a defining of terms is necessary at this point.
Globalism is an age-old historic development stretching back to the nascent navigation and carrier pigeons of antiquity, through the mastering of longitude by John Harrison in the 1730′s, electrical- and radio -telegraphy of the 19th century, all the way up to the WWW, supersonic jetflight and GPS of the early third millennium.
The greco-aryans of Hellas exhibited proto-globalism in colonizing the shores of the Mediterranean and Black Seas.
The romans utilized classical globalism to their advantage.
The vikings colonizing Greenland and reaching Newfoundland in the west and Constantinople in the east, were globalists.
NS Germany certainly had globalist ambitions. So does klassenite Creativity. And so does genuine WN/Pan-Aryanism.
It could be argued that globalism has actually been passé since the lunar landings of the 1960′s and 1970′s.
I assume you operate with a radically different definition of globalism since you want to “ELIMINATE” it.
I would like to hear it. Seriously.
Multiculturalism means literally “many cultures”. It is assumed in general usage, I think, to refer to
a mixing of cultures across, and within, state borders.
According to this definition, a multicultural WN/Pan-Aryan
state would be possible, even desirable, as it would hopefully attract modern national socialists, klassenite creators, pagan traditionalists, the occasional pan-aryan lone wolf, etc., etc.
I obviously alluded to the present, kike-run deleterious type of multiculti in my provocative call to win it.
My purpose is to SHAKE the all-or-nothing defeatism and exaggerated fear of these really neutral, exploitable phenomena out of the heads of future WN activists.
Judging from this comment of yours, Jim . . .
. . . even through all your strawman misrepresentations and nitpicking among my arguments to find heresies to shoot down, I note a healthy tone of confidence and defiance.
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11 July, 2010 at 9:26 am
ORION, Hitler said that National Socialism was not for export. His aim was to build a Germanic National Socialist State based on Fokish principles. He believed that other nations should construct their own societies based on their particular racial and national characteristics. If this is the kind of multiculturalism you were referring to, then I am all for it. I was not intending to create strawman misrepresentations or nitpicking your arguments, I would just like you to clarify your ideas a little bit better.
11 July, 2010 at 9:32 am
Orion, NS Germany did not have globalist ambitions. Hitler said that NS was not for export. I was not intending to create strawman arguments, nor was I nitpicking. I would just like you to clarify your ideas a little better. As long as globalism and multiculturalism are not JEWISH, there would probably be room for compromise; unfortunately that is not the case today.
11 July, 2010 at 9:52 am
Remember, Orion that the jew is the Master of Distortion, and will ALWAYS subvert ANY idea that he has the power to control; be it capitalism, socialism, globalism, multiculturalism, psychology, anthropology, etc. We must keep our ideas and our societies COMPLETELY Aryan. As Alex says, “No Jews Just Right”.
11 July, 2010 at 10:47 am
@ Jim
“Dave, I don’t understand what the coming jew war against Iran has to do with subs in China. Are you suggesting that China may come to the defense of Iran?”
That is what I was thinking. It seems like we are setting up to prevent a possible attack from China. Or least least trying to show them who’s boss. Iran was the only connection I could think of. Russia,who knows. It is worth investigating.
Here is a news brief about some of the planes being sent to Hawaii. http://www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20107090319
Freud Freud Freud….hmmm
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11 July, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Good point, Yahoody. Tim McGreen is an interesting case study in Jewish aggressiveness.
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11 July, 2010 at 5:44 pm
Geopolitical and racial theorizing is interesting and may pass the time in some posh gentlemens’ club as the members swig brandy while ensconced in their leather armchairs. For us it is a serious business.
Here are 10 possible scenarios, in no particular order, together with a gestimate of their possibility of occurring. We may be able to exloit these events to our advantage, but ONLY if racially conscious Whites and the larger White public have been primed by exposure to WN ideas. At this stage of the war our task is still to educate and inform.
1. Economic/social implosion in US, 20%
2. Another major Arab-Israeli war, 30%
3. US-NATO attack on Iran, 50%
4. Race war in South Africa, 10%
5. Conflict between Russia and China, 10%
6. War between India and the Islamic world, 10%
7. Serious racial disturbances within Europe, 20%
8. Increasing civil/tribal wars in Africa, 50%
9. Conflict between Australia and Indonesia, 20%
10. Collapse of the Euro currency, 20%
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11 July, 2010 at 5:53 pm
Interesting points ORION, only one criticism, you appear to be taking the long view of our struggle, looking through the telescope of centuries, but we haven’t got that time. We must have things moving in our direction within the next 20 years, tops.
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11 July, 2010 at 5:54 pm
Jim,
Oh, for fuck sakes, he *understands* alright, I would bet its another Tubby persona and nothing more. Tubby has had so many online personalities its mindboggling. They’re very typical: 1) constant Harold promotion with him being the way, truth and “heavy lifter”; 2) a kind of a dumbass (I don’t want to hear it lalalalalaaaaaaaa) thing going on; and 3) sanctimonious preaching, Harold dead giveaway like writing dipshit letters to your future self.
“New America, what you do seem go understand…”
Of course it is and nothing is gonna happen until it implodes much further thus furthering chaos. The term “legal” will apply on when they want it too. Otherwise anything could be “illegal” and expect absolutely anything thus no fair play, of course, because its a totally toxic regime that’s now in place. It will do anything to preserve itself and destroy any continental problem including the Covingtard Dream.
“is that this country is TOTALLY under jewish control, and as long as it is under jewish control there is not the slightest possibility that a White Homeland will ever be allowed to be established.”
With plenty of camp followers that will gladly put a long blade in your back when you least expect it. Harold the Hutt is one of those. He’s a Max Klingeresque Section 8 nutcase and paid shit disturber, nothing more.
To take anything that comes from Harold the Hutt or from one of his online personalities seriously means you are another dumbass newbie or need a lobotomy. The guy has so much shit hanging off him (google becomes your friend) to not recognize that means you’d be simply cannon fodder at best. If one cannot discern when something is trouble and glaringly so how would one be able to fight probably the greatest threat to Western Civilization as yet? Think about it. There practically is nothing good about Tubby out there and if one truly thinks he’s the way and truth (barfing in my own mouth) that inDUHvidual is less than a useful idiot more so borderline retarded. Thankfully other than politically naive newbies who just wanna “make a difference” Harold only has his personas and maybe a couple politcal gadflies/movementarian Hos who would, again, sell him out as he would them given the proper “stimulus package”.
“Don’t kid yourself. This is the most powerful empire that has ever existed. The Jewnighted States Military spends more money that all other nations combined. You are naive to think if ZOG can go halfway around the world to crush Nationalist movements that try to oppose the Jew World Order, they could not and would not easily crush a budding White Nationalist State in its own back yard?”
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11 July, 2010 at 11:48 pm
ZOG and Yahoody Douchebag are interesting case studies in stupidity.
OK, ZOG and Yahoody, that’s your cue to start clicking away on the thumbs down like you always do! But don’t worry, I’ll just come back tomorrow to ridicule you two shitheads some more.
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12 July, 2010 at 12:50 am
Tim,I like how they keep trying to correct you when you clearly know the obvious. But still,no satisfaction man.
12 July, 2010 at 2:29 pm
@CW-2:
I agree time is of the essence.
-Blood is even more important.
If you are strong and healthy, sire 14 white children, and inculcate each with the urgency for them to engender 14 more.
The exponentials could gain traction pretty soon.
12 July, 2010 at 2:31 pm
@Jim:
You wrote:
Read carefully now, Jim:
I have been a racist since the second I was born.
I don’t need to look to books or external authorities to KNOW you are wrong on this point.
National Socialism was without the shadow of doubt a magnificent and glorious cultural manifestation of the Aryan soul power.
Egypt, Sumer, Sparta, Rome, and even the British Empire are farther away in time, yes, but equally, possibly more majestic.
They all lasted orders of magnitude longer than the Third Reich.
We should draw inspiration and lessons from them all.
Nevertheless . . .
. . . For my Aryan culture-building, and culture-maintaining ancestors to be honored properly, they demand more than to be plagiarized.
They demand more than to be revered uncritically as if by a child, glaring at the unfathomable strength of his parent.
Never, ever look back at History as that child.
Look back as an adult; with respect and veneration, but with the unrelenting instinct to build a stronger and distinct mansion, for it to house new and glorious lineages.
That is genuine reverence for Aryan culture.
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Now to the boring and easy refutations [zzzZZZZZZZzzz]:
1. Regular airship lines from Berlin to New York; Rio de Janeiro; La Paz; Buenos Aires and Santiago. Not globalist ambition?
2. Wide track railroad line from Berlin to Addis-Abeba. Not globalist ambition?
3. Himmler’s Ahnenerbe and the expeditions to Antarctica, Peru, Tibet. Not globalist ambition?
I could go on, but I’m not quite sure you deserve it, Jim.
Let me know why you deserve to be taken seriously as a proponent for the Aryan revolution.
Next time you nitpick my arguments, I’m through responding to you. Be advised.
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13 July, 2010 at 3:06 am
Welcome to Humanity dummy! Every group says that. It will continue to happen and IF something is formed no Covingtard like yourself will help get it off the ground. I think you’re either Harold the Hutt himself or too fucking stunned to be of any use if you’re not. Sorry, I’m sure as an excellent sycophant and parade master for El Tubbo you’re very good at changing his adult diapers.
Its New Amerikahn. ….Can I ponder this on the throne? You’ve given me a lot to think about [plop] sub-commander New Amerikahn of the Republican Starfleet [plop].
… thus spake Sulla Man
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Hi, everybody! Yahoody here.
Do read and take note the above. Today we have before us an interesting specimen of Jew-work.
Can everyone smell the “Noo Yawk Joo” here?
The Yiddish sarcasm, the toilet humor? This is a splendid example of what to look for.
Ah, yes. The stench of Brooklyn is recognisable as plain as day.
Gee wiz, Tim, you better send you new assistant, Sulla Man, back for some re-training. He’s not gonna fool anybody here for long. There’s the odour of J-E-W all over him!
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I always enjoy reading New Amerikwan’s lastest crackpot theories. I guess if he wasn’t following Rebbe Tubbington, he would have been an acolyte of Lyndon LaRouche or the Reverend Jim Jones. It just happened that New Amerikwan learned about the Rebbe first.
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13 July, 2010 at 12:20 pm
To those WN men and women who can produce 14 children, our future world masterers, I would gladly bestow a medal of ‘heroic demography’ on them. But the inevitable conflict is probably looming faster than even we in our nightmares imagine.
China with its policy of one sprog per couple has placed a temporary brake on its population growth, but with the flick of a policy switch the leadership if it so desires, has the ability to enormously increase its population. Likewise Africa and the Islamic world can effortlessly pop out muds every 15 years.
If jews had half a brain they would understand that those factors are beyond their ability to control.
13 July, 2010 at 5:38 pm
New Amerikwa:
“Let’s compare [Covington's accomplishments] to the successes of William Luther Pierce and his National Alliance.
“Why do you suppose Pierce failed to move to the next step – practical politics, such…as Jim Giles is developing…totally consistent with the Ideas provided for us by Harold Covington?
“Note that Kevin Alfred Strom wrote AND EDITED most of the ADV’s that made Pierce’s reputation. Note, by the way, that I was RIGHT about Kevin Alfred Strom.”
You’ve been right about nothing in your claims here and exaggerating or outright lying about nearly everything. I know first hand that Dr. Pierce wrote his own ADV scripts because my office was right next to his and I saw him go through the process of putting together a new ADV show each week, starting on Wednesday, through recording on Saturday morning.
You are full of beans, New Amerikwa. Sulla Man has your number. You even admit you don’t care that Tubbo is “batshit crazy.” Lovely.
Dr. Pierce never had any intentions of “going to the next step of practical politics” like you claim your Mr. Giles and defendant Covington have done. Compare their successes to his, you say? OK, for Giles, just go back to the first sentence in this thread: “It seems that Jim Giles is going off the air due to lack of listener support.” That sounds like Jimmy’s practical politics are about as “successful” as defendant Covington was a few months ago when he shared with his “inner circle” (that surely includes you, right?)” that he is “one cut above homeless and have no assets [for Williams] to seize.” Here, @ post #15: http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/03/08/re-covington-an-apology/#comment-43515
Dr. Pierce’s successes in comparison are known to any who have paid attention. We’re everywhere. There’s no need to list us.
Who do you expect to believe this other bullshit claim by you?: “Pierce could not even hold onto his little country estate in Hillsboro, West Virginia.” Tell us, Kwa, who took it from him?
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13 July, 2010 at 8:05 pm
Hail Victory!!!
13 July, 2010 at 8:22 pm
I like how the open threads always fizzle out after so many comments. Though this may be a record.
You know how I said before I had met so many fruit cakes in the movement. (And fuck have I ever!) One guy always stands out in my mind as a real genuine character. My friend Tom. Yes he goes about things in different way but no one can say he has not done his part. He uses what hes got!
I still remember the one time I met him,when I was a member of the National Alliance. He said to me hey,why are you paying dues? I said I thought I was on the most productive path I could find at the time. He basically said fair enough and bought me lunch!
13 July, 2010 at 8:27 pm
The biggest loser I have met in the movement would have to be Kevin Mcguire/Maguire? I doubt any of you have heard of him. What a faggot ass bitch. He was a member too. You know those people that say all the right things. Then you meet them in person and there is something missing from them, Personality wise. That soulless empty look in the eyes. Yeah that’s him.
13 July, 2010 at 8:34 pm
And now for some more white beauty!
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://home.ca.inter.net/~lloyd.maclean/Krell/small1131.jpg&imgrefurl=http://home.ca.inter.net/~lloyd.maclean/Krell/Krell.htm&usg=__NKWlgGH5oCFjnb8VSTQOOEIRRvU=&h=480&w=640&sz=129&hl=en&start=40&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=XyNvX89nWpakjM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3DKrell%2Bamps%26start%3D36%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26ndsp%3D18%26tbs%3Disch:1
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14 July, 2010 at 5:14 am
Re Will Williams, it’s good to hear from a person who actually worked with the great man, Dr W L Pierce. In listening to his broadcasts, as opposed to reading them, the immediate impression is of pace, originality, and humor, qualities that broadcasts made by Kevin Strom lack. That is not to disparage Strom’s work and achievements.
Perhaps you provide readers some insight of the NA under Erich Gliebe’s leadership?
14 July, 2010 at 11:09 am
Erich Gliebe’s hijacking and destruction of the Alliance was well documented at the time here on the VNN forum as it happened, but I’m unable to access the archive, being banned from the forum and all. I did find this thread by GOOGLING vnn & EG: http://www.vnnforum.com/archive/index.php/t-63.html
That’s from late 2003 when Gliebe was all tied up with Hal Turner and Jesus only knows who else, having run off the Alliance’s board of directors and the dedicated National Office staff that Dr. Pierce had so carefully built over the years. Note the ‘jabpage’ link in LindaLou’s comment at the bottom. Jerry Abbott, a frequent VNN contributor and Dr. Pierce’s editor when he died, already had Gliebe pegged by then in his ‘The Decline of the NA’ essay. It’s an informative read and puts things from that period half-way in context, if it’s still there.
BTW, Sanders Pierce told me months before his interview with Turner that he got up and read VNN online at 6:00am every morning as part of his daily routine. He was aware of what was going on, but is too much of a gentleman to get caught up in such seedy controversy. It was easier for him to do nothing — as a figurehead, bless his heart — but play dumb and give the impression that his brother’s life work was in responsible hands with Gliebe. Another good man did nothing.
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14 July, 2010 at 12:39 pm
As much contempt as I have for the Jews that have caused our people so much misery, I have even more contempt for those shabbos goyim that collaborate with them. Here’s one of them:
CHRISTIAN ZIONISM: The Source of the Problem in the Middle East
“The World Zionist Movement, as its Jewish founders called themselves, had plans to acquire a homeland for all Jews worldwide, even though most were far from homeless, and many did not want another home. Not any land would do. World Zionists wanted a specific property that American Christians called “the Holy Land.”
“World Zionist leaders initiated a program to change America and its religious orientation. One of the tools used to accomplish this goal was an obscure and malleable Civil War veteran named Cyrus I. Scofield. A much larger tool was a venerable, world respected European book publisher–The Oxford University Press.”
“The scheme was to alter the Christian view of Zionism by creating and promoting a pro-Zionist subculture within Christianity. Scofield’s role was to re-write the King James Version of the Bible by inserting Zionist-friendly notes in the margins, between verses and chapters, and on the bottoms of the pages. The Oxford University Press used Scofield, a pastor by then, as the Editor, probably because it needed such as man for a front.”
http://intifada-palestine.com/2010/07/christian-zionism-the-source-of-the-problem-in-the-middle-east/
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14 July, 2010 at 5:45 pm
New America, Covington’s call for a White Homeland in the Northwest is a big crock of shit. Why in the hell is Covington encouraging White Nationalists to quit their jobs (if they are lucky enough to have one), and move to Montana or Idaho where there are virtually no jobs, and become sitting ducks for ZOG’s armies of mass destruction? Edgar Steele lives in Northern Idaho, and a lot of good that did him when the feds came after him and framed him. How about Pastor Butler of Aryan Nations? The list goes on and on. The ONLY possible way a White Republiic could have a snowball’s chance in hell of coming into fruition would be when the jew system totally collapses. Until that time we must resist the temptation to put our eggs in one basket. They may get broken.
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14 July, 2010 at 5:56 pm
It is true that Dr. Pearce never formulated an “end game” scenario, but after all, there are many variables present in our Struggle against the jewish power structure, and we must always remain flexible enough sort out our options as future circumstances present themselves. What we are in need of most of all is viable leadership, and while Dr. Pearce was a brilliant theoretician, he never had the charisma or emotional appeal that are the makings of a true leader. Needless to say, neither Kevin Strom or Eric Gliebe had any potential in that direction either. Dr. Pierce’s legacy lies in his great speeches and writings. The National Alliance is now history.
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14 July, 2010 at 7:07 pm
You are living in La-La Land, New America. I agree with you totally that a White Aryan Homeland in the Northwest would be a great idea—-THEORETICALLY, but dammit this is the REAL world, not Fantasyland. The bottom line is that ZOG will NEVER permit it to exist. And as long as ZOG exists, no White Homeland will EVER exist on this continent. Hello, Hello, calling New America—-Welcome to the REAL world.
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14 July, 2010 at 10:42 pm
Until about the year 1960, it MIGHT have been possible to consider forming a White Republic in the Northwest. At that time Whites comprised about 90% of the US population, and the jews held far less influence in the government than they do today. Even back then, it would have been a Herculean task, and after the coup d’etat on November 22 1963, when the jews obtained near total control, any prospect for the establishment of a White Republic became practically nil. The current system is unsustainable and is bound to collapse eventually. Until then, we have no other choice than to bide our time. Any premature adventures, or reckless confrontations with ZOG will get us nowhere and will ultimately destroy all prospects of a successful solution. The future belongs to those who have the patience to wait—–and to act at the RIGHT time.
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15 July, 2010 at 4:42 am
Jim, your post of 10:42 is right on the money. ZOG would just love a premature confrontation with us, but at this stage of the war we just don’t have the numbers or the tactics required. So our goal must be to continue educating and informing the White public. As our success in this area increases ZOG will be forced into precipitate actions such as suspension of the 1st and 2nd amendments, and pulling the plug on the internet. ZOG wants, if at all possible, to avoid these actions because they will be a wake up call, and an awakened White public is their biggest fear. They want to lull us to sleep with their patriotic BS while incrementally advancing their police state.
15 July, 2010 at 8:24 am
Exactly right CW-2, it is great to be idealistic, but we must ground our idealism with the realities of our current situation. What may have been possible fifty or one hundred years ago, when jewish power in this country was limited is virtually impossible today when jews have nearly total monopoly over the media, economy, military and governmental apparatus of all White countries, with the possible exception of some Eastern European nations.
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17 July, 2010 at 11:36 am
Whites have never been racially aware. At least not traditionally. Do you think they ever will be? As a race anyhow.
17 July, 2010 at 11:53 am
Oh I suppose I should explain my attack against Kevin db Maguire. I realize it may have seemed as though I were outing a former member. Not the case. He was a very vocal and open member and loved to use the controversy of his “white supremacist membership” to stir up trouble and anger people. All about controversy.
In fact to this day I am harassed by the fucking police thanks to him and what he did. I still never divulged any information to them or anyone else who inquired. Never the less I have no qualms about calling a shit head a shit head.
17 July, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Economic implosion:
http://cohort11.americanobserver.net/latoyaegwuekwe/multimediafinal.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/currency/7893238/Feds-volte-face-sends-the-dollar-tumbling.html
17 July, 2010 at 11:54 pm
New America, I am sure that you are well meaning in your desire to see a White Homeland in the Northwest. I would like to see it also, but you have never answered my question on how it could ever be defended, given ZOG’s determination to destroy any manifestation of White self determination. You sound like a man who has a laudable vision, but you have no practical ideas about grounding your vision in reality. You constantly spew out platitudes that frankly, sound like a lot of gobblygook.
18 July, 2010 at 7:34 pm
Oaky, what is everyone’s opinion of this guy:
Brother Nathanael Kapner
He is a supposed converted Orthodox Christian. Don’t know why he gets the right to wear Orthodox priestly garb (you have to be ordained, don’t you?). He’s of the tribe obviously and has never tried to cover up that fact.
Is he real? A schizoid nutbar quack? A 5th columnist? Seems to troll for money like Bernie Madoff and travel frequently. Seems free to do his thing….which is ODD or is it? Has quite the presence at any rate.
Opinions anyone??
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18 July, 2010 at 11:49 pm
Right, New America———–FAITH!!!! Maybe you should go our and join the Christian Zionist Patriotards. You would probably have a lot more in common with them than with White Nationalists who are grounded in reason and common sense.
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New America, you have a lot of chutzpah to proclaim that “you can’t beat something with nothing except in the impotent fantasies of subpotent White Nationalists .” I ask you, New America; what is more of an impotent fantasy than to seriously consider that large numbers of Whites moving to the Northwest to establish a White Homeland would not provoke the full wrath of ZOG and would not be mowed down like cattle. Your fantasy is nothing less than mental masturbation, New America, and if you were beating something besides your meat, you would realize that.
23 July, 2010 at 12:59 pm
Heads up on homely kike-ess Lauren Lawrence, reinvented “dream expert” currently making the paid media rounds on Fox, Bald Harry’s CBS Uncle Murray’s morning news etc. One of my roomies at the shelter asked how I “knew” Lauren Lawrence was a jewess. So I had to look it up to prove my teaching point: New York Magazine, Dec 18, 1995, when it used to be half of a jewish rapper couple, the male part of which was found guilty of income tax invasion in 1993 just before “his lucrative insurance brokerage biz was shut down”: http://books.google.com/books?id=UeMCAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA46&lpg=PA46&dq=lauren+lawrence+jewish&source=bl&ots=EfcV0zHWz6&sig=Qa6l1YIBo7xD9k53z0zt6k6mlkY&hl=en&ei=3slFTLGVFIbQsAPrn7CvAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=lauren%20lawrence%20jewish&f=false Read about “Awesome D”, the convicted, who consulted with Snoop Dog and Awesome D’s and Lauren Lawrence’s “million dollar co-op on East 72nd”. Now Lauren is selflessly willing to tell you the meaning of your dreams and tout her pulp tree waste on national TV–for a nice fee. The inset of the article states: “Oy, World! Rappers David and Lauren Lawrence are just your ordinary middle-aged jewish couple ‘n the ‘hood.” How original! But what does the current national Neo-Weimar nightmare mean, gip-sy yiddess?
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http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/12/14/zahir-ebrahim-the-invisible-house-of-rothschild-part-2/