15 January, 2012

Money/Gold

Posted by Socrates in economics, economy, Germany, gold, gold & silver, Hitler, money, Nazi era, Nazis, Socrates at 7:20 pm | Permanent Link

An interesting thread at VNN Forum. While I fully understand the logic behind private citizens owning gold, I also find it curious that Hitler didn’t need gold to keep Germany strong [1]. Today, many rich elites own gold and they can raise or lower the price of it by buying or selling it at certain times, just like they manipulate, say, oil prices. That’s just food for thought.

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[1] Hitler’s Germany had an economy based on what could be called “the work standard” rather than “the gold standard.” Money was backed by production. Labor, not gold, was the most valuable commodity Germany had. (As someone pointed out, labor is more valuable than gold). Germany had full employment within 4 years of Hitler coming to power, a truly remarkable feat. Contrast that to America, which was still mired in the Great Depression with millions of people out of work


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  7. 37 Responses to “Money/Gold”

    1. torrence Says:

      A worthy topic for a new thread, Socrates, and an important one given the backdrop of national and international economic circumstances.

      It was two neighbors of mine – brothers they are, that about 2-3 years ago enlightened me on the economic miracle of National Socia…ilist Germany. Having been hit hard by the abusive American economic model – a lost plumbing business for one and unemployment with a home foreclosure for the other, these two brothers entirely on their own started searching for answers and become enthralled by the German economic miracle you mention. They talked positively about developments that were going on at the time and so this allowed me to educate them on other topics of NSism that this board deals with everyday. The animus American propaganda instills into people on Hitler, WWII and National Social…ism was broken down for these two through their own research into things so they were receptive to other ideas as well.

      I am a blockhead when it comes to money, investments and understanding deeper things on economics, so my interest in Hitler’s economy was sparked by the enthusiasm displayed by my two friends. I started looking into it on my own.

      There may be no parallel in history comparable to what Hitler did with the land of the HerrenFolk. Germany developed further and faster and strove harder and higher, all the while being challenged with enormous obstacles, than any other country of record. It can rightly be called a miracle by all accounts. National Social…ist domestic policies were decent, fair and honest which instilled confidence and widespread fealty to the national order which is always a prerequisite for successful national life. It was the unquestionable success that this new National Social…ist order brought about in comparison to the failing models the existing world powers of the time represented that was a major reason for the war drive against the Fatherland. Deutschland was winning hearts and minds the world over and the Jewish strongholds of America and Britain couldn’t tolerate to see it’s ultimate triumph – to our misfortune.

    2. torrence Says:

      Ellen Brown is a California attorney who has done an enormous amount of writing on economic and fiscal issues. There are many dozens of articles available for reading on her website ‘Web of Debt’. along with her book of the same name. Years ago, she wrote the following article I bring to your attention. I hope many informed readers will post on this thread to help enlighten us on this topic of NSist economic and fiscal policies. The economy is top priority for many Americans and a discussion centering around it may be our way of getting them to understand other matters as well.
      ————————————–

      THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX: HOW A BANKRUPT GERMANY SOLVED ITS
      INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS
      http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/bankrupt-germany.php

      Her article opens with this quote:

      “We were not foolish enough to try to make a currency [backed by] gold of which we had none, but for every mark that was issued we required the equivalent of a mark’s worth of work done or goods produced. . . .we laugh at the time our national financiers held the view that the value of a currency is regulated by the gold and securities lying in the vaults of a state bank.”

      – Adolf Hitler, quoted in “Hitler’s Monetary System,” http://www.rense.com, citing C. C. Veith, Citadels of
      Chaos (Meador, 1949)

    3. shabbos s shabazz Says:

      Ellen Brown threw in her full support with Bernanke just last year.

      >>After Adolf Hitler passed his Enabling Bill Schacht toured the United States where he made forty speeches, appeared on radio and wrote several articles for American newsletters where he claimed that Hitler would soon return Germany to democracy. He met Franklin D. Roosevelt but made a bad impression on the president who later described him as “extremely arrogant”.

      In August, 1934, Hitler appointed Schacht as his minister of economics. Deeply influenced by the economic ideas of John Maynard Keynes and Roosevelt’s New Deal, Schacht encouraged Hitler to introduce a programme of public works, including the building of the Autobahnen

      http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERschacht.htm

    4. torrence Says:

      If Ms. Brown is supporting Bernanke, she must be looking for a position somewhere. It’s ironic that her title on Hitlerian economics begins with “Thinking Outside the Box..” She is thinking quite conventionally now and in line with the power brokers. Her past articles were quite hostile and at odds with current American economic and fiscal policy. I guess she doesn’t want to be left out in the cold. Another White collaborator.

      Shabbos quotes about Schacht borrowing on the ideas of Roosevelt’s New Deal and Keynesian theories. How is it that he got them to work in Germany but America couldn’t get them to work at home? I suspect it was because Germany was in full control of its policies and didn’t have Jews and bankers to agree to every policy decision. In 1939 Germany’s unemployment rate was about 2% and America’s was in the high teens. Looks like Germany was the place to be.

    5. Z.O.G. Says:

      Alex Linder has no idea what he’s talking about when it comes to the subject of money and credit. He’s just repeating pro-gold propaganda that he’s been reading on libertarian and patriotard websites for years. He’s never bothered to read anything that conflicts with the Von Mises Institute “Austrian” school propaganda that he ingests daily.

      VNN Forum is rapidly turning into a glorified patriotard forum. It’s pretty sad.

      Linder banned me because I was contradicting his “Austrian” Jew gold libertarian propaganda. He can’t tolerate any criticism of his sacred libertarian/”austrian” dogma.

    6. Z.O.G. Says:

      FOOLS’ GOLD
      Why Gold isn’t Money
      http://nationaleconomy.net/fools-gold/

      Advocacy of gold or gold “backed” money rests on dubious foundations. The discussion that follows will reveal some of the semantic deception, half-truths, doublespeak, self-interest pleading, and historical errors employed in gold advocacy polemics.

    7. Z.O.G. Says:

      Alex Linder is still under the libertarian delusion that gold/silver/precious metal is money.

      Of course, he’s getting this erroneous idea from the endless libertarian websites that propagate this deliberate misinformation across the internet. The ultimate source of this Jewish banker disinformation is the Von Mises Institute, which is named after a Jewish economist.

    8. Z.O.G. Says:

      The poster “Rick Ronsavelle” is the main individual spreading patriotard gold huckster propaganda on VNN Forum.

      Alex is so ignorant about money and credit issues that he actually thanks Rick Ronsavelle for providing him with “free education”.

      Alex also seems to be unaware that Rick Ronsavelle is a Christian Identity kook. Someone should let him know.

    9. CW-2 Says:

      The real parameters to measure the strength and potential of a national economy are the qualities of its people, namely their education and intelligence, honesty, and work habits. That is why Germany, despite being weighed down by ‘reparations’ and millions of unproductive muds, is still the powerhouse of the Euro-zone. Access to raw materials often doesn’t enter into the equation, as demonstrated by Poland and Spain both experiencing sharp decline during the 17th century; the former due to pernicious jew influence, the latter because the rulers made the mistake of thinking gold was wealth.
      The only true and lasting wealth of a nation are its people, its genetic treasure.

    10. fd Says:

      The fiat dollar is the achilles heal of the international banking scheme. The instant people refuse to trade with dollars, the pyramid will collapse. Iraq’s decision to stop selling crude oil for US dollars led to the mad invasion just as Germany’s barter system led to the destruction of Germany. If you dismiss the money powers the bombs will drop.

    11. Waldo Starr Says:

      The reason Germany was able to recover with Hitler at the controls is because Germany was made up of Germans! These are white people with brains and a desire to make a better life and society. This is what is missing in the USA with so may sub humans leaching off the dying system.

    12. bjt Says:

      I’ll trade gold for paper money any day.
      I would like to see somebody take some gold coins to
      Walmart and try to trade for a cart of food or what ever.
      It just aint gonna happen.

    13. Tim McGreen Says:

      I don’t like all those right-wing hucksters talking about buying gold. Let the big banks and investors buy gold, it’s not something that ordinary people should get involved with. The hucksters talk about the need to possess gold in a national emergency. What good will that do? In such a situation bullets will be more valuable than gold.

      Still, after the Revolution our Aryan dollar will have to be backed by something. How about platinum?

    14. old dutch Says:

      In order to stop the hyper-inflation Horace Greely Schacht was able to sell the German people on the idea that each new mark was a tiny mortage on all the property of Germany. The German people were smart enough to buy it—and the mark returned to its pre-war exchange rate of 5 1/4 marks to the dollar.

      In the early 1930′s Schacht realized that the other political parties were still fighting inflation during a deflationary depression—long after inflation was a problem! This realization was the secret to Hitler’s economic success.

      Gold & siver are commodities, like corn or wheat, you get in, you get out. If you stay stactic, you get knocked out. Never get too attached to any investment—make your money and get out.

    15. The Red Skull Says:

      The entire evil influence of the Jew Money System needs to be purged from the life of the people.They will always be the Masters and we will always be their slaves as long as we allow them to control the printing and rules of our Currency.

      No wonder the International Jews were so anxious to destroy the National Socialist Model of an intrest -free economy,based on the Labor of the Volk.

      There’s no profit in it for the Kikes!!!!

      “Oooyyyyy Veyyyyyyy!!!!—-

      Ve must use all our resources and our Capatalistic Goyim and our Communist Goyim to destroy this Nation of Homogenous,Happy White People who aren’t paying us with intrest to our Central Zionist Bank!!!”

      Also,FDR-the Commie/Jew Puppet and his circle of ‘Court Jews’ hated Hitler because He did perform an economic Miracle for the German People.

      FDR was frothing at the mouth to war against Hitler,in part because of his jealousness over The Fuhrer’s Economic success which made FDR and his ‘Jew Deal’ look like 10 pounds of hammered Dog-shit.

    16. The Red Skull Says:

      Verdammnt!!!-WTF??!! happened to the brilliant comment i made??

    17. The Red Skull Says:

      Socrates—why do some posts disappear into the Void???—i didn’t say anything violent or illegal –offensive and unkind to Jews maybe -but WTF happens to some comments??

    18. The Red Skull Says:

      ok i ‘ll try once more……….

      Even a serious student of The Reich such as myself,sometimes overlooks the ‘Economic Miracle’ performed by The Fuhrer for the German People.

      The Economic Success led to the Jew realizing that the ‘intrest -free/no profit for Zionist Jew Bankers,’ National Socialist Germany HAD to be Destroyed!

      So they gathered all their Goyim Slaves in the Jew -run West and the Commie/Jew-run East to war on this Model of HOPE for Aryan Man.

      That is WHY they forever VILLIFY HITLER ,in the minds of White People especially,because it was the National Socialist Germans Who were One of the First(and only) Nation to really break the grip of the International Jews.—They Did IT—by freeing themselves from the Jew economic slavery system.

      Which is WHY AMERICA is being driven into DEBT SALVERY,under the eye of the Jew-run Federal Reserve Bank.Until a people free themselves from the Jew Bankers,they are destined to be SLAVES!

      The National Socialist Germans realized this and had the Balls to break the Collar off their neck.

      DO we White Americans have any balls left Collectively to see and do the same thing??…………I wonder.

    19. Tim McGreen Says:

      Unlike Hitler’s masterful plan to rebuild Germany, FDR’s Jew Deal did absolutely nothing to pull the USA out of the Depression. Only starting a war against the Axis powers did that. Unlike Hitler’s rebuilding plan the Jew Deal did not include the construction of a superhighway system or a national health care service, so it was no damn good from the get-go. And then he had the nerve to order the public to turn in all of its gold, like a dictator!

      So when you think about it, FDR was a really terrible President who caused a tremendous amount of damage. The only good thing he did was stopping that ship full of Jew troublemakers from docking here in 1939.

    20. Socrates Says:

      The Red Skull Says: Socrates—why do some posts disappear into the Void???

      The spam filter catches certain comments. Certain words/phrases will activate the filter. I don’t know which ones.

    21. torrence Says:

      If anyone has substantive information to share enlightening upon an understanding of NSist economics, please post. This thread has been very informative. I’m going to print out the comments and share it with the two neighbor-friends I mentioned in the lead post and possibly email to a few others as well. There is strength in numbers and it is encouraging when we find others are conscious of the truths we are.

      ….”for the reason that…the individual, who at first, while becoming a supporter of a young movement, feels lonely and easily succumbs to the fear of being alone, for the first time gets the picture of a larger community, which in most people has a strengthening, encouraging effect.”
      —Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf Bk II, Ch. VI

    22. Miller Says:

      Gold is only a good hedge against inflation until the government confiscates it and makes possession of it a crime.

      Dirty Jews have always smuggled diamonds and precious gems because they are not detectable, as is metal, and can be quite compact relative to value . Rare stamps are good as well.

      But, true money is racially pure blood and the ability to win a war of extermination against the enemy.

      True money is immaterial and yet is able to monetize material as need be.

    23. Nom de Guerre Says:

      ” It is the duty of a good shepherd to shear the sheep, not to skin them” Tiberius Claudius Caesar

      The German system, without jew middle men skinning the Volk, worked because the German people(in Germany) contributed to its success. What a pity that their German relatives outside Germany and especially within the United States and Canada did very little to support them politically. shame shame.

    24. Nom de Guerre Says:

      Hitler had beaucoup internal enemies, primarily the xian churches worked damn hard to undermine the German Reich, some elements of the Reichwehr and the Aristocracy didn’t like Hitlers populism, and reducing their priviliges, and you can be damn sure that goes for the German-American crapitalists who often had factories in Germany which the alliance of Evil spared during their genosuicidal bombing campaigns.
      Why is it that 1/2 jew shit FDR is always embraced by the Demotwits and Republictards as a promoter of equality, and pubic work projects? As I recall it was under Coolidge and Hoover administrations that these projects were initiated.
      Hitler got control, because the German people became sick of being sick, the Amerikwans got fucked because they like being whores to the jews and jeboo.

    25. Nom de Guerre Says:

      What is the jews “greatest” asset. in binding and blinding the Goyim? Is it money either of the toiled paper variety or nougats of “precious metals”. chocolate bars and cocaine, scantly dressed performers… No, No, No. The jews have sold us a religion, that the masses of asses can’t shake off any more than a dawg can a swarm of fleas with its tail. Amerikwa is the land of the byebull, why it’s still on the best smellers list, they hand it out to the little kiddies in Sunday skool, like a contract start the kid of a young age believing in that nonsense and you control their minds for life.

      Here I am at ground zero in the ByBull Belt, doesn’t matter that hordes of Mexishits are invading , that millions of gooks are too, that the whole fukkin infrastructure is fallijng apart, that white women are pimping themselves for sex parties over the internet, Jeboo worship goes on 24/7 over the jew tube.

    26. Z.O.G. Says:

      torrence, this article isn’t about NS economics, but I thought you might find it useful. It’s an essay debunking the “Austrian” School’s theory of the origin of money. The entire “Austrian” system of economic thought is dependent on their theory of the origin of money, so debunking their theory debunks the entire “Austrian” school intellectual framework.

      A Refutation of Menger’s Theory of the “Origin of Money”
      http://www.monetary.org/a-refutation-of-mengers-theory-of-the-%E2%80%9Corigin-of-money%E2%80%9D/2010/12

    27. Z.O.G. Says:

      Here is the PowerPoint presentation:

      http://monetary.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/mengerrefutepowerpoint.ppt

    28. Nom de Guerre Says:

      The ultimate jew scam is the insurance rackets, almost as good as the religious one. I recall a nigger selling his 1 million dollar life insurance policy for 400 grand. Is this shit real?

    29. Nom de Guerre Says:

      I just bought a niggers life insurance policy at a $600,000 profit, now do I have to pay a crapital gains tax? LOOK I’LL INFEST ALL THAT PROFIT IN CREATING MORE WEALTH. UUUH DUH?

    30. torrence Says:

      Socrates – Has there been any effort on your or anyone’s part to clean up VNN’s screwed up filter/anti-spammer? One can’t even spell out THE TWO WORDS (National Social…ism) in a post without it being rejected. The words have to be modified (in my case I do so with the three ‘…’ in National…ism), to overcome this obstacle. So what’s the problem here?

      I’m wanting to submit a post with 5 web references which contain THE TWO WORDS and the damn filter/anti-spammer you use is rejecting it. I can’t change the spelling in the links because that will give a wrong web address when interested parties click on the links. This is a pain-in-the-ass problem this site needs to correct. You’ve evaded addressing this in the past, so please respond on what the administrator’s intentions are here.

    31. torrence Says:

      Socrates says: “The spam filter catches certain comments. Certain words/phrases will activate the filter. I don’t know which ones.”

      You don’t know which ones? Here’s one that your Jew filtration system routinely targets for elimination: National Social…ism…The TWO WORDS, my friend. I notice that you don’t even have the worthy topic of NSism in your categories list. Getting blocked out of VNN for typing the TWO WORDS imparts a very Jewish flavor to VNN. Maybe it’s a Yid operation after all.

      Now get to work fixing it. Show a little Aryan ‘can-do’ determination on this. Take the time savings from postponing dredging up another batch of Jew-centered articles reminding us of things we already know, and devote it to long overdue web-site housecleaning. This one instance of positive accomplishment on behalf of the Folk just might start a VNN revolution. This may be the spark needed to unleash that massive outpouring of individual action galvanizing the world march toward Aryan revolution. This is your chance, Socrates. We need inspirational exemplars. You could make a real name for yourself here. You can provide demonstration to the Fuhrer’s admonition that

      ‘Obstacles are not placed before us to be surrendered to; they are there to be overcome’.

      We want to sing you praises and pedestalize your accomplishments. We are awaiting great things from you.

    32. John Q. Republic Says:

      Socrates, my friend:

      As the chief, and seemingly only initiator of threads on this site, wouldn’t it be incumbent upon you to know exactly what the “filter” catches here?

      Also, if you believe in free speech, why is there a filter in place to begin with? Is it merely to curb foul language or is it actually about “politically incorrect”, (god, I hate that term), speech or certain words, or is it something else? I’ve noticed in other past threads that the TWO WORDS torrence spoke of DID appear without being deleted or changing the words. What happened, and when did it happen, that they are now verbotten?

      I’m not trying to be flippant here. I believe in true free speech–with or without the Constitution–and irrespective of national borders. In my mind it is a fundamental right ALL Whites worldwide deserve.

      Finally, if you don’t know what the filter catches, then WHO does?

      I’m looking forward to a reasoned response to this post from you, Socrates, and yes, I respect and appreciate all you do on this site.

      J.Q.R.

    33. Mel Brooks Says:

      Terrific thread…there’s nothing the likes of me could add to the discussion.

      Still, I have my take on this and it’s as follows:

      There’s but a very few things that have innate value that never changes and cannot be taken away.

      These are the things we cannot live without:

      (1)Water

      (2)Food

      (3)Shelter (of whatever kind)

      (4)Sound reproductive stock

      (5)An appropriate environment for (4)

      I think the precious metals thing is almost as big a scam as our
      currency and the business model built around it. I also believe that
      AT ANY TIME..the masters running the precious metal racket will dump
      their holdings on the market, invest elsewhere and leave the “gold-backed currency” Kool-Aid guzzlers holding the (empty) bag.

      If I had any financial sense, I’d do as Olde Dutch advised. InOutRepeat.
      The biggest losses I’ve heard about from my circle are the folks with those
      big, ole long-term stock market investments.

      Since I don’t have any sense that way, when and if I do get somewhere close to solvency again, I’ll put money in 1 & 2, work towards 5 and hope for 3 & 4. Tim McG’ is right, whatever the red thumb brigade thinks of that post. Perhaps arms should be number (6). Especially now, given the lateness of the hour.

    34. Varg Says:

      My god you people have jewey persecution complexes. The problem isn’t that we’re censoring you. Typical, people like this always seem to suspect censorship first thing without considering any other explanations.

      The problem is we’re using Akismet anti-spam system, which uses a community driven database. Technically if someone were to spam hundreds of blogs with the same posts they’d be able to get certain words flagged as spam from a large number of wordpress blogs. Yes, I know this isn’t the best option for WN sites. The problem is that there are few systems as good as Akismet at catching spam (though obviously it has its flaws, and is possible to exploit its community driven database).

      Next time, before accusing us of censoring you or being a demanding asshole, check your post here first:

      http://www.bbwebconsult.com/en/tools/akismet-test

      If we’re able to implement a new anti-spam system that is as effective as Akismet, we will. Though it might take some time and fine tuning. We get thousands of spammer comments making an anti-spam system a necessity.

      In the meantime, be patient if your post was on moderation and needs to be approved first. Being a smarmy asshole doesn’t help any either, torrence.

    35. torrence Says:

      Your post was informative, Varg. Thanks for addressing this problem/concern of many. I’ll take the test later on.

      Don’t be overly critical of us who have voiced our confusion and frustration. Without knowing the answers or understanding anything of the technicals driving the internet, we arrive at the wrong endpoint more often than not. Appreciate that without the type of feedback you’re giving us, imaginative minds will tend to wander off course.

      I am not an asshole, Varg. But like you, I have one. My ‘smarminess’ reflects my dry, sarcastic humor that hasn’t always been helpful to me over the years. It was over the top, I know. Publicly reprimanded…….again.

      from dictionary.com:
      smarm·y
      ? ?[smahr-mee]
      adjective, smarm·i·er, smarm·i·est.
      excessively or unctuously flattering, ingratiating, servile, etc.: the emcee with the smarmy welcome.
      Related Words for : smarmy
      buttery, fulsome, oily, oleaginous, unctuous

    36. Socrates Says:

      Thanks, varg. You said it better than I could say it.

      Torrence, just be patient, and call attention to a post if it doesn’t go through the first time.

    37. tebow Says:

      when your white leader/nation rips you off , or fuks things up, all you have left is your gold.

      gold reigns supreme in an untrustworthy world