13 April, 2018

Music, Natural Talent, Book Learnin’ and Other Things

Posted by Socrates in Alex Linder, college, History for newbies, Hitler, music, Socrates, universities, Western civilization, Western culture, White philosophy, White thought, William Pierce at 1:58 pm | Permanent Link

“Writing about music is like dancing about architecture.” — Frank Zappa. Yet, we see music reviews every week in newspapers and magazines.

Seen: a music teacher teaching “music theory” online. It was very complicated. Information overload! As I watched the teacher, I thought, “how is this going to help someone who has little or no musical talent? Will it give someone musical talent?” (I know people who can steer a car but they are shitty drivers nonetheless; someone taught them to drive, but they suck anyway).

Ex-Beatle Paul McCartney, one of the best songwriters in history, doesn’t even read music. Yet, he has created so many beautiful songs (dozens). His talent is inborn and natural. It didn’t come from university teachings. Ditto John Lennon. Ditto Eddie Van Halen. Ditto Tony Iommi.

In your life, fancy teachings can only help you to a certain degree. The rest of your talent must be inborn, natural, innate. If you don’t have natural talent, books and diagrams aren’t going to help you very much. (Look at Alex: he’s a naturally gifted writer, unlike me: I try to string sentences together and fail half the time).

Adolf Hitler is another example. He wasn’t “university smart” but he had an innate, inborn feeling for what was right, and wrong, with the Western world, and what to do to fix the problems of the West. College teachings weren’t needed for his success. It wasn’t Hitler’s fault that the “free world” ganged up on him as ordered by Big Jew and the globalists. (Look at Dr. William Pierce as a rather different example: yes, he had a Ph.D. in Physics, but his talent, philosophy and worldview did not come from university teachings. His recognition of the vital importance of National Socialism and White nationalism didn’t come from Yale or Princeton; his ability to organize and to teach other people about the finer points of White nationalism was inborn and natural, and he is still teaching us today through his writings and speeches).

Food for thought.


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  7. 22 Responses to “Music, Natural Talent, Book Learnin’ and Other Things”

    1. Stronza Says:

      Hey! Don’t forget Malcolm & Angus. “Simple” music? Yes. But millions of white folks love it and they didn’t come up with anything like Lennon’s “Imagine”.

    2. fd Says:

      Natural talent is head and shoulders above academia instruction. Mr. H. said a person is genius at the spark of birth, not on the day of discovery.

    3. Thom McQueen Says:

      Don’t forget my mates Barry Robin and Maurice, the Bee Gees.

      They did not read music but they did what the earbashers can only talk aobut.

      The college-ed musicians all sound the same and bore me shitless.

    4. Thom McQueen Says:

      Malcolm and Agnus?

    5. Stronza Says:

      @Thom. Nope. Malcolm & Angus, not “Agnus”. LOL. You know, the Young boys.

    6. Gleimhart Mantooso Says:

      McCartney and the other guys you mention are/were mere songwriters. Some basic guitar or piano and a knack for tunes and lyrics are the songwriter’s tool chest.

      Music theory is for musicians with goals other than, or extending beyond, pop songwriting. When McCartney wrote his Liverpool Oratorio, which was not very good, he had to enlist the guidance of a “schooled composer.” And the arrangements for anything other than the most basic Beatles and Wings songs likewise were written by schooled arrangers. McCartney may not be able to read music, but you can surely bet that all of the studio musicians that played the “Live and Let Die” arrangement surely did.

      All of the great elevated music produced by Western Civilization was created by schooled composers.

    7. fd Says:

      Frank Zappa is right. Those who can’t — teach.

      Music originated as folk music on the local level. Blood-based. Turn it up: Acid rock, outlaw country, whatever. I’m not wearing a suit to a music auditorium.

      Premier outlaw country singer/songwriter Billy Joe Shaver.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpEElGVgv24

      The Armadillo World Headquarters. Austin’s answer to Carnegie Hall: Hippies, rednecks, cowboys and businessmen all under the same roof.

      http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/ArmadilloWorldHQv2.jpg

    8. Gleimhart Mantooso Says:

      Dear “fd”:

      Frank Zappa is actually quite incorrect to the extreme. To name but a few examples that blow Frank Zappa’s dumb assertion out of the water:

      J.S. Bach (and some of his sons)
      Haydn
      Mozart
      Beethoven
      Schubert
      Berlioz
      Dvorak
      Bruckner
      Fauré
      R. Strauss
      Tchaikovsky
      Frank
      Rimsky-Korsakov
      Smetana
      Ravel
      Katchaturian
      Messiaen
      Dukas
      Shostakovich

      All great composers. And all teachers. Frank Zappa was not fit to tie the shoes of the least of them.

    9. Socrates Says:

      I once followed Zappa’s advice. I “made a jazz noise here.” But that was when I had “the runs” and sat on the toilet for 2 hours. Splaaat! Ha! Ha!

      Sorry, I couldn’t resist that one.

      I like many of Zappa’s songs, but granted, he was an oddball. A weirdo. But he was sort of right: writing about music is kind of pointless, since it’s an art form and open to many differing opinions.

    10. cc Says:

      I never said Zappa was a great musician. But his quote is accurate and has been proven many times on a variety of subjects.

      It’s my experience in life that people identify with music that represents their culture and who they are. I don’t know many people who identify with the list of composers above. And I know a lot of people from every grade of society. If the music doesn’t move you, what’s the point? Classical, instrumental is okay with me.

      A great musician can write the music, write the lyrics, play the instrument and sing the song.

    11. fd Says:

      fd and cc are the same people — me.

      I never said Zappa was a great musician. But his quote above has been proven many times on a variety of subjects.

      People identify with music that represents their culture and who they are. I don’t many people who identify with the list of composers above, and I know a lot of people from every grade of society. If the music doesn’t move you, what’s the point?

      Classical and instrumental is okay with me.

      A great musician can write the music, write the lyrics, play the instrument and sing the song.

    12. fd Says:

      Mistake

      I didn’t mean for the copycat comments to both be posted. Sorry.

    13. Stronza Says:

      @Gleimhart. You are right about the Europeam composers you listed. Some of us love their music, as well as the opposite kind of music, too, such as pop singers and some rock bands. This is not either/or.

      One of Bach’s Goldberg variations (the Quodlibet) is based on folk tunes. From wikipedia:

      This quodlibet is based on multiple German folk songs, two of which are Ich bin solang nicht bei dir g’west, ruck her, ruck her (“I have so long been away from you, come closer, come closer”) and Kraut und Rüben haben mich vertrieben, hätt mein’ Mutter Fleisch gekocht, wär ich länger blieben (“Cabbage and turnips have driven me away, had my mother cooked meat, I’d have opted to stay”)

      For those of you interested, there’s more good reading on this subject at wikipedia about Variation 30.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldberg_Variations#Variatio_30._a_1_Clav._Quodlibet

    14. Antagonistes Says:

      Gimlihart left out Brahms.

      Therefore, he does not know what he is talking about.

    15. Gleimhart Mantooso Says:

      fd/cc:

      I just pointed out how Frank Zappa’s assertion is manifestly incorrect. And those were but a handful of examples, on just one subject. Zappa was a pretentious cuckoo bird, and he lacked the education superior musicians had, and it made him insecure.

      As for “how many people…” (blah blah blah), what does THAT have to do with anything? It is by far THE most elevated music ever composed and performed. If people have largely been dumbed down by low-grade pop culture crap, that is a reflection of THEM and nothing else. Your assertion is like saying “if a lot of people don’t understand math, then math is wrong!”

      Great music is the defining music of Western Civilization and is unique to the White race. It it therefore a reflection of MY culture and perfectly represents who I am. Moreover, it is the most moving, spirited, spiritual, emotional, humane, and picturesque music there is, and nothing even comes in second place to it.

    16. Gleimhart Mantooso Says:

      Dear Antagonistes:

      Perhaps you didn’t catch the part where I said “TO NAME BUT A FEW EXAMPLES…”

      I am an expert on this subject, and were we to debate it, unprepared and impromptu, I would wipe the floor with you without even breaking a sweat.

    17. Gleimhart Mantooso Says:

      Stronza, I never ONCE said that this was “either/or.” My comment was very specific.

    18. fd Says:

      Music is a matter of taste. Making music that is free is good. Impromptu music is fun. Music that is too highly regimented collapses into a mathematical equation. Too weighty, stuffy.

      Cruising on Sunday afternoon…

      http://s7d4.scene7.com/is/image/CollectiblesToday/pdtl-107981001?$pdtl610$

    19. Gleimhart Mantooso Says:

      fd/cc:

      I can tell you have a very ignorant grasp of what the greatest music is or is like.

      Highly regimented? Not hardly. Rather, the most imaginative array of forms, melodies, harmonies, counterpoint, orchestrations, textures, colors, durations, settings, purposes, and expressions by far. That makes it the “freest” of all music. Compare that to song forms. You mostly have the verse+chorus form, the AABA form, and the AAA form, and harmonically, melodically, texturally, they tend to be quite narrow. So on and so forth.

      When one doesn’t know what one is talking about, it is maybe better to be less dogmatic about one’s position. I promise you that no men in black suits will rouse you from you bed in the middle of night and prevent from listening to whatever music you prefer.

    20. fd Says:

      Gleimhart Mantooso

      That you would dictate to society what the greatest music is proves my point. I will not be regimented nor will I march the lockstep to the vulgar mind of the self-righteous authoritarian. There is no such thing as the greatest music, scientist, teacher, etc. Thanks for the lecture…

    21. Gleimhart Says:

      Why is it okay for you spout your uneducated, uncultured, tin-eared and tasteless opinion, but when I merely relay my position, I’m suddenly “dictating to society”? I didn’t dictate a single solitary thing. I merely told you the objective facts — which you do not understand because you’re way in over your head on this — and your lame defense is nonsense about “dictating to society,” “marching lockstep,” “vulgar mind,” “self-righteous authoritarian.” You have no support for any of it. Just random of insults that bounce off and blow up in your face.

      Yes, there certainly IS such a thing as the greatest music. If you’re too tasteless, tin-eared and soulless to understand that, then you’re missing out, and that’s not my fault.

      I have absolute pitch. I have relative pitch. I started pursuing music when I was seven and haven’t stopped since. I have a genuine talent for it. I received part of my music education from one of the top music institutions in the world. The rest I received from various types of experience. I compose it. I arrange it. I orchestrate it. I transcribe it. I have conducted it. I have taught it. I author books for other composers on various elements of composition and ear training. All of these things I do or have done professionally. It is my living. So don’t think that some cuckoo bird who quotes Frank Zappa approvingly is going to tell me what for on the subject.

      His “writing about music is like dancing about architecture” is one of the damned dumbest things I have ever heard, and so is his dumb crap about “those who can’t, teach,” which I already demolished.

      Just accept that you’re way in over your head here and thoroughly outclassed on the issue. I’m not going to allow you or Frank Cuckoo Bird to demote me to your level, and could not care less whether you like that or not.

    22. fd Says:

      Another diatribe by the vulgar mind of the self-righteous authoritarian. A reckless statement dictating to the world what the greatest music is. He lectures the reader with ugly conversation.

      The megalomaniac doesn’t know this thread is not exclusive to hifalutin composers.

      Zappa’s quote is correct. And there is a long history of great people whose natural talent surpassed the so-called intellects, experts, academia, etc.

      Short list of natural talent: Adolf Hitler had formidable leadership skills. Bedford Forrest didn’t go beyond elementary school, yet he is the staple for modern military science today. The Allman Brothers Band out of Georgia was so popular at Fillmore East, they were jokingly called the House Band.

      Those who can’t, teach.

      I should adhere to an old Texas axiom: Never mud wrestle with a pig. You both get up dirty and the pig likes it.

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