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Subject: Goyfire listener
I was going to write about how i feel after hearing your show but I have suddenly found a loss for words. So I will just state the facts and see where I land. I am 31 years old and I had a lot of the same opinions that your program presents in high school, but after going through college I slipped away and became more "mellow"! Since college I have slowly been coming back to the same place I started. This leaves me to wonder about systems like college and universities. I'm sure there has to be a great amount of Jewish influence in those systems. I guess I feel I was subjected to cultures that were given benefits to go to school with me, despite not being up to snuff. I'm not going to be absolutist in that judgement, but one person given less hurdles due to race or any other reason is one too many.
I do want to commend you on what is a fascinating and smart program, although I do have some minor issues. Some of these I invite a response to, as maybe I missed the point. Firstly, why use the word nigger with so much regularity? I mean I use it on occasion, but when you use it on the show it comes off as absolute. Maybe you mean it in the terms as nigger vs. black person, but I don't pick that up. If that is the case are you to say that there are absolutely no black people you could find educated and "respectful". I have my own personal dilemma with this in that I have a longstanding black friend that has suddenly displayed disrespectful ATTITUDE after 7 years of knowing him. So when I come at you with this I want you to understand that it is not an attack, but more a way to find common ground.
I have worked a couple jobs manning phone lines and have seen first hand the abuses in the american system by foreigners and minorities. I worked for an answeing service fthat answered phones for the maintenance issues of the Columbus, OH and Akron, OH projects. Those people were completely subsidized and abusing the system by having more children to get more money from, you guessed it, the taxpayers. They would have there complete heating bills paid for, sell crack out the front door (door wide open in winter usually along with windows), call the answering service and cry about their 7 "childrens" not havin any heat. I put these stories together in conjunction with the poor maintenance men who were afraid to got out to these places in the middle of the night. One told me they would hang the doors open to sell crack and put frozen lard on their "regulated" thermostas to make sure the heat stayed on all the time. I work at a new job dealing with vision insurance and see a big abuse of the medicaid system. These systems offer a "replacement" or two a year on broken frames and lenses. Wouldn't you know it, these "people" somehow manage to get all their replacements. This means you have people getting 5 pairs of glasses in 2 years time...Who pays? Taxpayers! It's disheartening to watch. I can no longer fall into the path of..."oh, thay have less than me, so they need this." They don't and won't work for more until the free ride is taken away.
I do have at least one black friend that agrees that social programs are a crutch for laziness. I myself go further in that I am atheist and believe that religion is a crutch for those that cannot guarantee that of being a good person.
I guess what I like about your show most is the midwest orientation and that I can relate to not being able to say I'm exclusively a part of any political crap that dominates this country. I was raised liberal, want to protect my gun rights, hate social program crutches, prodeath to reduce population, atheist, and still think liberal. Obviously the problem is trying to identify with one of these "boring" political sides when I'm clearly off the current moderate american spectrum.
I could say so much more about the jews, but I'd be here for hours typing. I'd prefer to deal with the cogs first.
Thanks for the breath of fresh air that is your show
Jack (Columbus, OH)
Ed. Note: You're welcome, and we're glad you found us. Not all blacks are niggers, but most are. We don't like them, and we revile the jews who loosed them on us and made us pay for the pleasure and do their unlevel best to ensure that programs like Goyfire and news sources like VNN are banished from the airwaves and Internet. Niggers are only a problem because of jews. To get that fact across is one of our main missions. If jews didn't control our country, we'd enjoy freedom of association, rather than civil rights. America would still be 90% white and 10% black, and whites would still have the freedom to protect their communities through segregation, just as jews do in Israel.
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Subject: Seal jr writes...
HEY MAN, WHAT THA FUK IS THIS SITE?, THIS SITE WILL BE TAKEN OFF THE WEB IN A MATTER OF DAYS.
HOW CAN U BE SO RACIST, YOU DISGUST ME IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY. YOU HAVE NO SHAME AND U SHOULD BE PUT AWAY IN JAIL FOR LIFE.
P.S. I am a black man and I don't give a sh** about what you have to say about my race. White youths talk and dress like us because they admire our culture and everything else about us. Even white females are doing the same, which is no surprise. I am not a racist like you, I do not hate white people or any other race. I live in a rich area and have plenty of money, I have a white girlfriend who adores my penis and always wants some everyday. Your probabaly so skinny white guy who is afraid of black people, and created this site to express your anger in a safe enviorment.(So you won't get beat up or killed)
A black man.
Wayne Bunnaman bundee@sympatico.ca
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Subject: remember the heroes
An inspiring video presented by:
*The Circle of Friends Halbe*
http://www.fkhalbe.net/mobilisierung.wmv
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Subject: Iraq today
3 U.S. Soldiers Among 16 Killed In Iraq: At least 10 insurgents were killed in a military raid on suspected militant "safe houses" in Qusayba, near the Syrian border, the U.S. military said.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/KAM923259.htm
2,000 US Troops Dead In Iraq: One Survivor Tells His Story: I went to fight in Iraq to get revenge for 9/11... I found out Bush had led us into a war that was immoral and totally wrong
http://tinyurl.com/bxb7k
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Subject: judeo-criminal wars
Indicting America
By Scott Ritter
The indictment of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby by Special Prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald provides the most cogent and visible evidence to date of the criminal mindset that exists inside the Bush administration regarding the decision to invade Iraq.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10820.htm
Government for and by the dead
By Robert Fisk
For as someone who has to look at the eviscerated corpses of Palestine and Israel, the murdered bodies in the garbage heaps of Iraq, the young women shot through the head in the Baghdad morgue, I can only shake my head in disbelief at the sheer, unadulterated, lazy bullshit - let's call a spade a spade - which is currently emerging from our great leaders.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10807.htm
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Subject: normalizing nuke use
October 28, 2005 NA (Network America) e-wire
Big Media Trying to make domestic Nuke Attack seem "Normal"
Tonight at 11:30 PM EST, Friday, October 28, 2005 - Ted Koppel and Nightline continue the Big Media campaign to make Americans think of a domestic nuclear "terrorist" attack on one of our hometowns as "normal" and "inevitable."
Tonight's Nightline will be 90 minutes long - a town meeting in Houston, Texas with numerous guests and an audience. The theme is announced as: Ready or Not? Lessons from the Storms.
Since early 2002, this Network America e-wire has led the way worldwide - sounding the alarm to our readers that the Ruling Elite behind the Big Media was using ABC, CBS, NBC (includes MSNBC and CNBC), CNN, and FOX to wage mind warfare against the American people.
THE PURPOSE OF THE MIND WARFARE
The purpose of this Big Media Mind Warfare is to condition the American people to anticipate that Arabs, -- or as it is most often put in the Big Media:"Islamic Extremists", -- will perpetrate a major attack on a city somewhere in the USA by using either a suitcase nuclear bomb, or a devastating biological disease agent.
That "those Arabs will do it" is simply a GIVEN in all these Big Media info assaults.
(This despite the fact that there has not been one proven domestic terrorist attack by Arabs, as far as I know, since and including 9-11-01; what there has been is plenty of phony arrests - loudly ballyhooed by the Big TV networks - with the Arabs arrested quietly released some time later.)
Those who still believe the Big Media "official story" about the terror attacks of 9-11-01 - go to www.public-action.com and read "Operation 9-11: No Suicide Pilots" and the other articles having to do with 9-11-01. Or go here:
http://www.realnews247.com/9-11_coverup.htm
WHAT THEY HOPE TO ACHIEVE - AND TO DO TO US AMERICANS, FOR WE ARE THE REAL TARGET OF THE Ruling Elite's "WAR ON TERROR"
We have also been warning since early 2002 that the coming nuclear or biological attack on an American city - IF they can get away with it - will be heartlessly perpetrated by the same elite forces which pulled off the original terror attacks of 9-11-01. These elite forces consist of the dark side of military intelligence in Israel (Mossad-related) and in the USA.
The first purpose of Phase I - the terror attacks of 9-11-01 -- was to get US troops stationed in the Mideast for the next 100 years so that all the Arab countries could be forced under the worldwide Jewish-Masonic monetary system centered in such institutions as the privately owned and misnamed Federal Reserve Bank, the City in London, and the World Bank (now headed by arch-Criminal and Conspirator Paul Wolfowitz, who was promoted to that position for the excellent service he did for the Ruling Elite in getting young US soldiers stationed in Iraq contrary to all real intelligence data and any Christian concept of law or morality. ).
For much info online and two World Class, "collector's item", beautifully bound books, Neo-Conned! and "Neo-Conned! AGAIN" - go here:
http://www.neoconned.com/whatisneoconned.html
The second purpose of Phase I was to try and ensure that the nation usurping the Holy Land -- and using the name "Israel" under the management of Khazar "Jews" (who are not the Biblical Hebrews, as probably referred to in Rev. 2:9 and 3:9) -- would be able to expand its territory to the projected borders of "Greater Israel" or "Ersatz Israel" eventually without much interference from the surrounding Arab nations. If you want to see a map (about half way down the page) of the projected borders for the expanded Israel, go to this page:
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/greater_israel.shtml
Phase II of 9-11 - the Ruling Elite's hoped-for nuclear or biological attack on a US city - is meant to jump start a draft of ALL of America's young people, even if a non-military service option is available at first to make such a commandeering of your children and grandchildren for the evil purposes of Judeo-Masonry go down a little easier in the early stages. For more information about this aspect, go here:
http://www.mothersagainstthedraft.org/
Since the "nuke attack" will be blamed on the Arabs immediately by the Jewish-controlled 5 Big TV Networks, then an attempt will be made at that juncture to justify an invasion -- or even a nuclear attack against Iran and/or Syria. (Among other Big Media approved voices, talk show host Michael Savage -- real name Michael Weiner - has been calling for a nuclear attack on Damascus or another Arab city off and on for about two years.)
The contrived nuclear/biological attack is also meant to usher into existence -- IN EARNEST -- a Nazi-Communist-Gestapo-KGB police state in the United States of America. (Socialist Nazism and Socialist Communism were both essentially Jewish movements in financing and in spirit in the upper levels. See www.hitlerdvd.com .)
In late August 2005, ABC News was pretty furiously advertising an upcoming series which "no American family can afford to miss". The series was not-so-subtly named "Loose Nukes on Main Street". The announced purpose was to help you and your family prepare in case of a terrorist nuclear attack on your hometown. When Hurricane Katrina and the loss of New Orleans happened in early September, 2005, this advertised series was apparently put on hold.
However, a few weeks ago, Nightline and ABC's World News Tonight ran a number of spots and programs during the week with the same title: "Loose Nukes on Main Street."
TONIGHT'S NIGHTLINE "TOWN MEETING" IS MORE OF THE SAME
All of you "Internet Warriors" have forced the Ruling Elite to now consider another option: the Avian Flu option (or some modern-day Black Plague) which could also provide an excuse to declare martial law in the USA.
As many of you may have heard, President-Puppet dum-dum-W. Bush gave a speech a few weeks ago saying that he was prepared to declare martial law in case of a nuclear or biological attack by terrorists - OR - get this - in case of a fast spreading deadly disease that would make quarantining of whole cities necessary. (!!!) It was around this time that the 5 Big TV Networks went into a short overdrive about Avian flu.
Then, right on the heels of the W. Bush "martial law" speech, top Communist Jewish operative and "neo-conservative" Charles Krauthammer writes a column called, "Resurrection of deadly virus opens Gates of Hell." Krauthammer's thinly veiled diabolical excitement about this new "martial law option" -- which I contend is barely hidden in this column - was echoed by other top Ruling Elite mouthpieces in the Big Media. But that's another story for another e-wire.
For those of you who would like to see a list of Big Media news stories which Network America e-wire catalogued in the first half of 2002 -- all of which are warning of a coming nuclear attack on US shores --- go here:
http://www.realnews247.com/2nd%20Terrorist%20Attack.htm
-- and the drum beat for the "coming nuclear terrorist attack" on US shores has been steady ever since - at about 3 or 4 week intervals. All New York City-based 5 Big TV Networks, of course, -- and as always - are acting in unison, and pushing the same main themes.
TONIGHT'S NIGHTLINE TOWN MEETING is another chapter in this long train of abuses perpetrated on the American mind by the sinister 5 Big TV Networks.
For anyone who has not yet seen the evidence (or more likely, has not yet faced it) that all major electronic media in the USA is controlled with an Iron-Fist by anti-Christ Talmudic Jews, please go here:
http://www.realnews247.com/who_runs_the_media.htm
The 2000th young American soldier has just been killed in Iraq. On this previous Thursday, October 27, 2005, two young soldiers were buried in my home town of Cincinnati, Ohio; one had graduated from Mariemont High School, the other from Anderson High School, not so long ago.
These young men now know that they were used and lied to - that they were not on any noble mission for the people of the USA, but that they were on an evil mission for the Ruling Elite of Zionist-Talmudic-Judiasm and its satanic junior partner, Freemasonry. And that this false mission was predicated on the lie that 19 Arabs hi-jacked 4 planes and thwarted the entire US Defense System - and that the mammoth Twin Towers collapsed due to jet fuel fires (Lies! Lies! Lies! - again, see www.public-action.com )
If these fallen soldiers could speak to us now from "across the Rubicon", they would command us to wake up and do something to set things aright.
To prevent the continued abuse and waste of the lives of young Americans, and to prevent a contrived Phase II Terror Attack by nuclear or biological weapons against a city in the USA - we need to spread the word now. AND - AND - AND - and we need to DEMAND the arrest and confinement of such as Ted Koppel, Dick Cheney, Alan Greenspan, the heads of the 5 Big TV Networks, the heads of the four companies stealing our American vote by computerized fraud (see the 30 minute program on votegate.tv and see www.votefraud.org ) - and a cast of several thousand more culprits - on charges of treason - of treacherously aiding and abetting America's enemies, the "Invisible Government" animated by the International Banksters of Judeo-Masonry and one of their key creatures, the government of the enemy nation using the name "Israel" - which combination now constitutes the greatest enemy the American people or the peoples of Europe have ever faced.
To quote that country song by Randy Travis: "with so much riding on the task at hand" - let's start to get real serious.
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Subject: war on Israel
Should the U.S. Declare War on Iran--or Israel?
If We're Going to Start WWIII, We May As Well Do It Right
by Mark Farrell
Oct 29, 2005
Lately, there has been some talk about the U.S. and England raising the ante'
in its desire to wage war against Iran. This is obviously part of the attempt
to get the U.S. further entrenched in the Mid-East and start a massive war to
obscure the fact that our economy is all but bankrupt and to, once again, do
the bidding of America's favorite plutocrats--the Israelis.
The rationale now used to justify this ongoing madness, as we march towards a
"war to end all wars," is that Iran is in violation of the Nuclear
Non-Proliferation Treaty--something which it never signed. However, if it is in
violation of this treaty, then Israel too is most assuredly guilty of this crime, with
some estimates having been put that Israel has well over 300 nuclear bombs.
Now, I'm not particularly fond of Iran in any case. If memory serves me
correctly (and you'll have to forgive me if it doesn't), a couple decades ago, the
Iranians kidnapped a bunch of Americans, causing John Denver's song, "Tie a
Yellow Ribbon around the Old Oak Tree," to skyrocket to fame while Americans did
just that--put ribbons all over their trees (which are now all over the
bumpers of cars)--with the hope of their fellow citizens' return, in an effort born
out of frustration under Carter's leadership.
When Reagan came to power, the Iranians quickly complied, freeing the
Americans held hostage, if I'm not mistaken. And afterwards, we started to arm Saddam
Hussein in his bid against the Iranians, if that makes any sense, not that
much of anything does in the U.S. any more.
In any case, I don't particularly care too much for the Iranians' politics,
given the U.S.'s bitter history with Iran. But I'd just as soon let bygones be
bygones. After all, why should I care what they do over in their corner of the
world, as long as it doesn't concern me or this nation? They can chop off as
many hands as they please, and make all their women wear head scarves. It
doesn't really bother me. Nor would it bother me if they attacked one of their
neighbors; it's their problem, not ours. I'm not the world's police man, and
shouldn't be expected to die for such nonsense. Nor should any other American.
More importantly, if I am to care about a country that has engaged in
terrorist activities and is a threat to world peace--if there is any country in the
Mid-East that fits the bill--Israel should be, first and foremost, stopped at
all costs.
Now, Israel, as many of us who have at least half a brain realize, has bombed
American interests in the past. The most well-known instances of such were
the LaVon Affair and the USS Liberty, the latter-case being when the Israelis
massacred 34 and injured over hundred Navy men aboard a ship with an American
flag flying high in the wind, using napalm and machine-gunning the U.S.'s
life-rafts down in an act to frame Egypt, which will never be forgotten by those few
Americans who still care about our country.
The U.S. President at the time, the traitor LBJ, allowed this to occur; in
fact, a Russian ship came to the USS Liberty's aid long before any American saw
them, despite U.S. fighter jets that could have stopped the massacre in
process and saved at least 34 American lives.
And, of course, there have been many attacks against our allies too--such as
when Israel bombed England's King David Hotel, etc.
Most people realize this--or, they should, at least.
More recently, Israel has continued this trend of deceit. It has been selling
U.S. military secrets to China. The heads of the American Israel Public
Affairs Committee have been engaging in espionage. And, as some cognizant of
Israel's activities are quick to point out, Jonathon Pollard stole the equivalent of
a full room of military secrets for Israel, some of which caused the death of
U.S. agents.
In any case, it goes without saying that Israel is no good. It has nuclear
weapons. It has engaged in terrorism against the U.S. It steals stuff that it
shouldn't. It uses its foreign-based political action committees through
dual-citizens to shape American policy (and thereby get a recurring grant of at least
$4 billion every year--often much more). If we are to believe that Apartheid
is bad and so is racial hatred, then let's look at their massive Apartheid
Wall, which they're building on the tops of Palestinians' homes, and their laws
that prevent non-Jews from gaining full citizenship, from being allowed to live
in certain areas, and from even marrying some Jews (their priestly sect). Oh,
yeah, and the Israelis (or, at the least, a prominent Israeli who was cited
by a major Israeli paper, with some others reportedly in agreement with said
statements) have threatened to bomb parts of Europe, at one time, if anyone
there dares to annoy their fragile little egos.
Again, the Israelis are just plain no good.
So, why the heck should we be focusing on Iraq and Iran, when there is no
doubt that the Israelis have WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION and they might very well
use them? Let's just get it over with, and attack that little rabid pitbull
in the Mid-East, Israel.
Now, I understand that Israel's air force is one of the greatest on the
earth; in fact, they've stolen the best technology from the U.S., Russia, England,
Germany, Italy, etc., ad nauseam. So they should be. They've got a lot of good
planes, and many good pilots.
It would be a war with many hazards, with all their Zionist traitors
scattered throughout America, ready to put their true love of Israel-first to the test.
However, being a true patriot, I'm willing to take this risk; and promise to
be the first on my block to enlist when Uncle Sam gets a spinal cord implant
and decides to do something about that terroristic nation in the Mid-East,
Israel.
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Subject: what is a jew?
http://wsi.matriots.com/What%20is%20a%20Jew.html
The most questioned topic of all time.....Mike
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Subject: Bernanke, another inflationist
In the minds of many financial observers, Bernanke is famous for two
ideas. First, he was the author of a speech, in November of 2002, in which
he thought the Fed should do everything in its power to stave off
deflation (in this case, generally falling prices), including dropping
money from helicopters.
Assuredly, the latter remark was said tongue-in-cheek. At least, we hope.
Nevertheless, the old-timers quaked at this, thinking that here was a man
who would not hesitate to destroy the dollar.
Bernanke also openly discussed the possibility of unconventional methods
of monetary manipulation -- such as the Fed buying assets in the
marketplace to achieve its goals.
Again, the hearts of the old-timers skipped a beat and their fingers
trembled. In Bernanke, we have a fellow who will not hesitate to innovate
and find new ways to wreak havoc.
Based on these ideas and my impression of his public comments, I would
gather that Bernanke would err on the side of being too easy, rather than
too tight. This means printing money and creating credit. In short, we can
expect more and greater levels of inflation.
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Subject: A Glimpse of Europe in the Near Future?
http://tabla.bike.si/gallery/albun11/Europe_2015
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Subject: JPost kept going by Christians
Gentile Readers
The Times
18 October 2005, p37
Jerusalem: The Israeli daily paper The Jerusalem Post is starting a special
edition for Christians after it was "astonished" by market research showing
that 30 per cent of its readers are pro-Israel evangelical Christians. It
plans to print a monthly Christian edition from January.
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Subject: Scooter Libby (jew)
Neocon war plotter indicted
He told one too many lies, and now he has been caught.
The five-count indictment of Irving Lewis ("Scooter") Libby, the vice
president's chief of staff, throws a bright spotlight on the dark recesses
of the White House and offers a glimpse of some of the rat-like activity
now going on in this fetid cesspool.
As a leading neoconservative, Libby was Vice President Dick Cheney's
chief of staff, with such extraordinary influence that he was given the
unprecedented privilege of sitting in on presidential cabinet meetings.
In addition to his portfolio with the vice president, Libby also held the post
of adviser to the president as well as that of special adviser on national
security affairs.
Libby also headed a shadowy White House group created for the express
purpose preparing and conditioning the American public for the invasion
of Iraq. Working in tandem with the notorious Paul Wolfowitz and
Douglas Feith over at the Pentagon, the cabal sought to manufacture
bogus "evidence" to justify its planned invasion.
The ambition of the neoconservatives to launch a war in the Middle East
goes back to an announcement of its plans in a 1992 published policy
document entitled "Project for a New American Century." The paper
outlined the global and regional goals of a projected U.S.-Israeli empire
and formed the basis for a group of the same name, which thereupon set
about implementing its agenda.
Like Wolfowitz, Feith and most other neoconmen, Libby is Jewish.
They lied, and now over 2,000 American servicemen --
as well as upwards of 100,000 Iraqi civilians -- have died!
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Subject: Ron Paul on Syria liars
HON. RON PAUL OF TEXAS
BEFORE THE US HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
October 26, 2005
We Have Been Warned
We have been warned. Prepare for a broader war in the Middle East, as plans are being laid for the next U.S. led regime change-- in Syria. A UN report on the death of Lebanese Prime Minister Rafig Hariri elicited this comment from a senior U.S. policy maker: ?Out of tragedy comes an extraordinary strategic opportunity.? This statement reflects the continued neo-conservative, Machiavellian influence on our foreign policy. The ?opportunity? refers to the long-held neo-conservative plan for regime change in Syria, similar to what was carried out in Iraq.
This plan for remaking the Middle East has been around for a long time. Just as 9/11 served the interests of those who longed for changes in Iraq, the sensationalism surrounding Hariri?s death is being used to advance plans to remove Assad.
Congress already has assisted these plans by authorizing the sanctions placed on Syria last year. Harmful sanctions, as applied to Iraq in the 1990s, inevitably represent a major step toward war since they bring havoc to so many innocent people. Syria already has been charged with developing weapons of mass destruction based on no more evidence than was available when Iraq was similarly charged.
Syria has been condemned for not securing its borders, by the same U.S. leaders who cannot secure our own borders. Syria was castigated for placing its troops in Lebanon, a neighboring country, although such action was invited by an elected government and encouraged by the United States. The Syrian occupation of Lebanon elicited no suicide terrorist attacks, as was suffered by Western occupiers.
Condemning Syria for having troops in Lebanon seems strange, considering most of the world sees our 150,000 troops in Iraq as an unwarranted foreign occupation. Syrian troops were far more welcome in Lebanon.
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2005/cr102605.htm
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Subject: Black History Month
Any vnnstein fuckheads who disagree with the great one can eat jewnig shit.
Abolishing America, Cont'd: Black History…or Red?
By Sam Francis
Black History Month, previously known as "February," hasn't even begun yet, and already the Public Broadcasting System is treating the nation to propaganda fests about the Emmett Till case of 1954 and the anti-black "hate crime" in Jasper, Texas of 1998. Martin Luther King Day, just concluded, was merely a walk-up to what will be a month-long wallow in white guilt and anti-white hatred.
One icon of the "civil rights movement" who will be featured is Rosa Parks, the little old black lady of Montgomery, Alabama, whose quiet and heroic refusal to give up her seat and move to the back of the bus has become to civil rights mythology what George Washington and the cherry tree was to the Old America.
As it turns out, neither myth is true, but the facts in the Rosa Parks case are a good bit more sinister.
A book published in 1995, "Speak Now against the Day," by John Egerton informs us that Mrs. Parks, so far from being a simple black woman, was in fact an officer of the local NAACP.
If that suggests that she mounted a rather more artful act of civil disobedience than the legend acknowledges, it's because such is precisely the case.
Mr. Egerton shows that Mrs. Parks was in fact an alumna of an institution in Monteagle, Tennessee, known as the Highlander Folk School, usually and not inaccurately described as a "communist training school." Highlander was founded and run by a gentleman named Myles Horton, who was never actually a member of the Communist Party but told a veteran Red pal that he didn't join so he could avoid having the label pinned on him. For all practical purposes, Horton was a communist.
As Mr. Egerton writes, "Highlander had started summer workshops on school desegregation in 1954, right after the Brown decision. The Montgomery NAACP wanted to send a delegate to Highlander the next year. They chose their youth director, Rosa Parks."
Mr. Egerton's book contains a photograph of Mrs. Parks with Horton at the school in 1957, but her first training session took place only a few months before she sat down in the front of the bus in December, 1955.
Her action is widely and probably rightly regarded as the beginning of the civil rights movement in the South. Was it in fact an act of communist subversion?
In 1957 a photograph was taken of an audience at the school that showed Martin Luther King sitting in the front row. Right next to him was a comrade named Abner Berry, the correspondent of the Communist Party's official newspaper, the Daily Worker. In the 1950s King's enemies plastered it all over the South to discredit King and his movement. It did discredit them -- at least in those quarters that thought hanging out with Communists was discreditable.
Today, fewer people think so, and the discovery, from opened Soviet archives, that communists really did penetrate high levels of the U.S. government and the atom bomb project, falls on ears that don't want to hear about it. But it's also clear that they penetrated -- and used -- the civil rights movement as well.
It's well documented that King himself was surrounded by known communists like Stanley Levison and Hunter Pitts O'Dell, the latter actually a member of the party's national committee in 1961. King's bitterly anti-American speech on the Vietnam war, praising Ho Chi Minh and comparing American soldiers to Nazi storm troopers, in 1967 was written by Levison, whose influence on King was the main reason for FBI surveillance of him.
Today, Americans have been so brainwashed by the propaganda of the left, communist or not, that they're likely to regard the Reds in the civil rights movement as the real heroes who led the fight against murderous bigots in Southern backwaters. Immersed in white guilt, a vast number of Americans now accept that the entire history of their nation up to the 1960s was a dark age of repression and hatred, with only a few bright spots like Abraham Lincoln and the crusade against Hitler.
Having lost their own history, Americans can no longer expect to keep the nation their history created and defined. That, of course, was the whole point -- to strip away the real past as well as the legends that allow Americans to exist as a people and to put in their place new myths -- and a new population -- that will give birth to a new order that Myles Horton and his comrades would have liked. It's an amazing story, about how an entire people was bamboozled out of its own heritage and its own country. Some day, when we have a good conservative administration in Washington, the Public Broadcasting System ought to make a film about it.
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Subject: Bush Keeps Darkies From Fried Chicken
Protest ensues...
It was Soul Food Thursday at Howard University last week, and many students were looking forward to their favorite meal: fried chicken, macaroni and cheese, collard greens and cornbread. At lunchtime, however, students discovered that much of the campus had been locked down and that the school's cafeteria was off limits.
Apparently, many of them did not know that President Bush and first lady Laura Bush had arrived for a "youth summit" at the Blackburn Center, where the dining hall is located. Stomachs began to growl, tempers flared, and, eventually, a student protest ensued.
Here.
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Subject: jew Haim Saban
Jewish Media-Control
PROFILE OF A JEWISH MEDIA BOSS
ONE THE WORLD'S WEALTHIEST AND MOST POWERFUL JEWISH MEDIA BOSSES SPEAKS OUT.
Haim Saban may not be well known, but as the following New York Times profile makes clear, he and others like him wield enormous power and influence, and have a profound impact on our lives. Saban, a Jewish billionaire, is one of the world's most powerful media bosses. He uses his great wealth and influence to fervently promote Jewish-Zionist interests. "I'm a one-issue guy and my issue is Israel," says Saban. He has given millions of dollars to pro-Israel politicians, and he's a close friend of both Ariel Sharon and Bill Clinton. The German government transferred ownership of (ProSiebenSat.1 Media), the largest media conglomerate in Europe, over to Saban. Saban "added that the German government had been very supportive of him. ... There have been all kinds of theories because of the fact that I'm an Israeli-American and the like." Why was Saban so keen to control the German media market? It was not just a financial score "but the cornerstone of something bigger": "The German situation has the potential to be not just a financial score but serve as the cornerstone of something bigger,"said Peter Chernin, president and chief executive of the News Corporation. "Germany is still an occupied country", Chief-Rabbi Moishe Friedman from Vienna called out loud. Perhaps it is Chaim Saban's mission to help to keep the Germans also mentally occupied - through appropriate propaganda: Saban: "I'm not suggesting we ignore what happened in Germany 50 years ago," he said, "but I am suggesting that we don't allow it to keep us from going into the future."
http://globalfire.tv/nj/04en/jews/saban.htm
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Subject: smells like cabala
Kabbalah guru arrested for fraud
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3161625,00.html
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Subject: jew Marc Rich
LaRouche Points to Marc Rich's White House Mole:
Lewis Libby
Here.
by Jeffrey Steinberg
Democratic Party Presidential pre-candidate Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.
punctuated his Jan. 28 State of the Union webcast with a call for the
immediate ouster of Lewis Libby from his post as chief of staff and top
national security aide to Vice President Dick Cheney. Not only is Libby one
of the pivotal players in the Administration "war party," promoting the
suicidal invasion of Iraq. He is, notoriously, a mole for Russian "Mafiya"
interests linked to his business associate of 18 years, Marc Rich.
The Libby-Rich duo played a filthy role in the Jan. 28 Israeli elections,
staging a disruption of Labor Party chair Amram Mitzna's election campaign
in the weeks before the vote, in order to secure re-election of serial
war-criminal and Mafiya collaborator, Ariel Sharon.
Libby and Rich are also behind the promotion of former French military
company clerk, Laurent Murawiec, as a Rand Corporation and Hudson Institute
"military strategist," whose only claim to fame was his July 10, 2002
appearance at Richard Perle's Defense Policy Board. There, Murawiec
psychotically called for an American invasion and occupation of the Saudi
oilfields. Murawiec's Power-Point presentation to Pentagon policy advisers
was so outrageous and incompetent, that a storm of protest (after his
closed-door pitch leaked to the Washington Post) led to his ouster from a
post as "senior analyst" at Rand. In the brouhaha that followed, Murawiec
allies in the neo-conservative camp -- including Moonie Washington Times senior
editor Arnaud de Borchgrave -- tried to salvage his shattered image by
promoting the fact that in 1985-90, he had operated as an inside spy and
provocateur among the European supporters of Lyndon LaRouche.
Indeed, Murawiec had been picked up by Swiss-based organized-crime circles,
including Marc Rich, and had conducted an effort to sabotage European
circulation of a March 1986 EIR special report, Moscow's Secret Weapon:
Ariel Sharon and the Israeli Mafia, which exposed the terror and crime
circles behind Sharon, and the Jonathan Jay Pollard spy ring. Later,
Murawiec surfaced on the payroll of the Marc Rich Foundation (run by
ex-Mossad thug Avner Azulay), penning a shrill chapter on growing American
anti-Semitism for a book edited by a top ally of self-professed Zionist
fascist Vladimir Jabotinsky.
Libby and Marc 'Filthy' Rich
Sources in and around the Bush Administration have reported that Lewis Libby
has emerged as one of the most rabid "chicken-hawks" in Washington. Libby
has been identified as protector of the nest of Sharonists in the Pentagon
and State Department who were discredited, following the Murawiec incident
last July, and only avoided being fired from top posts through Libby's
intervention. Among Libby's allies in the Administration "war party" are
Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, Assistant Defense Secretary for
Policy Doug Feith, and State Department arms control adviser David Wurmser.
Libby was part of a troika of wanna-be Pentagon imperialists, back in the
Bush "41" Administration, who urged then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney to
adopt the doctrine of pre-emptive warfare -- in response not to Saddam Hussein
or Osama bin Laden, but to the collapse of the Soviet Union and the
opportunity for the United States to emerge as the only global military
power. Along with Wolfowitz and Zalmay Khalilzad, Libby promoted the insane
notion of pre-emptive war against any nation or bloc of nations that might
at some point, challenge American military hegemony. The scheme was
enthusiastically embraced by Cheney, but rejected by (the elder) President
Bush, his National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft, and Secretary of State
James Baker III -- only to resurface nine years later, after the Sept. 11, 2001
attacks.
Libby also served as staff director for the Cox Commission, a Clinton-era
Congressionally mandated study group which promoted the idea of a future
conflict with China, along the lines of Bernard Lewis and Samuel
Huntington's wild call for a "Clash of Civilizations" war between the West
on the one side, and the Islamic world and China on the other.
But Lewis Libby's real claim to fame is his 18-year collaboration with
Russian Mafiya "godfather" Marc Rich. As an understudy to Washington power
lawyer Leonard Garment, Libby was the personal attorney for Rich from 1985,
shortly after Rich fled the United States to avoid criminal prosecution for
tax evasion and "trading with the enemy" -- for illegal oil dealings with the
Khomeini regime in Iran, while they were holding American hostages.
Rich set up in Zug, Switzerland, and became one of the most important
figures in busting the oil embargoes against apartheid South Africa, Iran,
and, later, Iraq. All the while, Libby toiled as Rich's legal flack in
America, presenting the swindler and Mossad bankroller as a victim of
overzealous prosecutors.
Operation Spiderweb
Libby was the Svengali orchestrating the setup of President Bill Clinton to
grant Rich a pardon in early 2001, just as Clinton left office. Libby, in
Congressional testimony, admitted to working with ex-Al Gore attorney Jack
Quinn, and two "former" Mossad agents in Rich's employ, to secure the
pardon.
Now, Rich may be running into problems. He is a target of "Operation
Spiderweb," a crackdown by Italian, Swiss, British, and American law
enforcement agencies on a $9 billion Russian Mafiya money-laundering scheme
(see box). "Spiderweb" aims at Grigory Loutchansky, head of the Nordex
conglomerate of companies and a top figure implicated in the flow of illegal
campaign funds into Ariel Sharon's recent re-election campaign -- and at Rich.
In addition, French ministers at the end of January launched into a flurry
of attacks on Rich around two other big scandals, involving the asset
stripping and bankrupting of a French metal firm by Rich, and a large tanker
oil spill off the coast of Portugal, also involving a Rich-owned firm.
Meanwhile, earlier in the month, at Libby's behest, Rich and fellow gangster
Michael Steinhardt went to Israel to run the operation against Labor Party
chairman Mitzna which undermined Labor's election campaign and helped cover
up, for a while, corruption scandals that were damaging Sharon's re-election
bid. Steinhardt confessed to a Washington journalist that he met Sharon
secretly, and then joined Marc Rich to orchestrate a Labor revolt against
Mitzna, for his refusal to enter a national unity government with Sharon.
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Subject: TAA#3 comments
Hi Alex,
Many thanks for TAA3.
I have to say, it was better done that the previous two. However, I would like to make a few suggestions. Please bear in mind, I did not see anything that turned me off. My suggestions deal with trying to attract a certain type to the cause. And that cause is shedding light on the fucking jews.
1) As much as I hate to say this, and I am sure you have heard this before, ease up somewhat, not entirely, on the use of the word "nigger". It simply does not go over well with the type of people that you may be trying to draw. Hey, it is similar to the Swastika. While I have much admiration for Hitler, etc., invoking him or images associated with that bunch simply will not go over well. Back to the word "nigger". Never use 'African American', like some do, that's just ridiculous. I would use the word 'black(s)", and only use "nigger" when what you are writing calls for some emotion.
2) Your picture: I would use the one where you are dressed up. I believe it was when you were speaking at a NA conference. I assume you know which picture I am referring to.
3) That horrible picture in the Mexican article, I don't even know what it is, but it is truly disgusting! It is not necessary to be 'sensational'. Present the facts, not coldly like an academic, you could use humor, etc., but, you do not want your paper to appear National Enquire like.
4) I would not have embedded the Start of David on the heads of the jews. Again, it simply does not appear 'professional'. Similar comments for some of the cartoons. (Bottom of page 9 for example.)
5) Despite my low opinion of most Xians, and chuckle at your comments about them, I am glad there was none of that in TAA3. As a matter of fact, I like what you did on Page 9. It may wake a few of them up to the filthy jew.
6) The article dealing with jews in Law School. Very good. However, you suggested the forum as a place to check things out. Maybe a more specific link would have been better.
7) The Useless Young Male. Very good!
8) As much as I agree that jews are worse than rodents, I would not have put the picture of the rat on page 15.
Overall, though, I thought it was well done.
I notice you refer people to the Forum. This is just my opinion, and I may very well be mistaken, but, I would update your main page, and the letters more often. They, IMO, are more valuable than what I see on the Forum. Actually, many of the people on the Forum, I would not even want to know. But, I admit, I would probably have that attitude towards any group of people.
Listen, if it is practical, you could mail me TAA4 before it goes to print. I would offer to proof read it and only make suggestions that are very important. I would like a few days heads up (it is possible my circumstances at the time may not allow this), and a few days to do the actual read over. If interested, let me know. By the way, it is likely you already have a crew doing that, and more suggestions from me could make things even more complicated! So, if you do not take me up on my offer, I will not be offended.
I had decided to help out once a year ($365). However, I am kind of rethinking that. I would feel better about donating for something SPECIFIC.
With that in mind, what does it cost to produce an AA? What is the cost for a Goyfire episode? What other ideas do you have for exposing the fucking jew and what does it cost? Maybe not the entire cost, but affordable breakdowns? I am not rich but can surely afford more than the dollar/day I gave the last two years. I feel I should do more than try talking to the few people at work about the jews.
At this time in my life, I am not interested in actually distributing your paper. The reasons are not important. However, and I mean this sincerely, I can see myself doing that in the future. I even see the possibility of accompanying Chain on his tremendous journey! In the meantime, I will content myself to being financial help.
Ok, Alex, thanks again for the paper.
Steve
Ed. Note: 1) There are fewer slurs in #3 than other issues. I believe an occasional 'nigger' is valid because no other word captures the reality of the African and its behavior. 2) The photo you refer to was deliberately taken by Elisha Strom to make me look bad. Although it doesn't succeed in its task, it is not a photo worth using. I have another photo that I will use in TAA#4. 3) Presenting the facts coldly does nothing. The facts and truth get nowhere without inflamed emotion to turn those informed into activists. Yes, I do want the paper to be sensational. Go back and read what GLRockwell said about facts and logic being the eternal stumbling block of the respectable right. People are interested in avoiding conflict with authorities; -- that, not logic, determines their positions. There is no necessary opposition between sensational and unfactual, and anybody who doubts what we write will find we're correct, if he checks. TAA is both sensational and factual. The photos in the Mexican piece show you the results of Chagas infection, and the results of leprosy. 4) If you want respectability, go pick up a National Review. You're simply wrong. As for the cartoon, there is no way in which that could be considered unprofessional. 5) Again, wrong. I want people funnelled to the forum. Once there, they'll see the welcome in the executive summary section. All is done to drive awareness of vnnforum, and from there they can find their way. 8) The rat/Dershowitz was simply funny, and it picks up the theme of the review. The bottom line is that few make up their minds based on facts and reasons, most give in to the perceived power of the time. We aim to anger White men, and turn them against a vile and oppressive system. Emotion is indispensable. It will never be respectable to criticize jews as long as jews hold power. Thanks for the offer to proofread, but we have that covered. There were very few typos in #3, I've only found four. That's not perfect, and I strive for perfection, but it's few given the amount of text. The only substantial technical problem with the paper is that not all the graphics printed as sharply as I want. As for content, I believe fact-based sensationalizing of hush crimes is the best news basis for the paper, especially when this is backed up with intellectual reviews and tying the hush news to the jews who created our race problem. As for donations, we appreciate them. There's no way to price a Goyfire; it costs time. TAA costs about $1500 per every 20,000 16-page copies. VNN costs a few hundred a month, for server and associated services. VNN is in this long term. Eventually we will have a full-scale multimedia operation on land and in buildings owned by us.
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Subject: Jews allege Orwell's 1984 is an antisemitic "forgery"
http://forums.go.com/abcnews/Primetime/thread?threadID=247726
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Look at this! People are sneaking some truths onto ABC's forum (which will be purged by tomorrow). The Prussian Blue twins have stirred things up (despite the Jews).
It took less than a day to go down the memory hole. Orwell should be sued for copywrite infringement.
http://forums.go.com/abcnews/Primetime/thread?threadID=247726
Lieb_die_LeuteHolocaust History
Posted: Oct 30, 2005 02:15 AM
I once read the book "Night" by Elie Wiesel. At one point, Wiesel tells us that he was hospitalized for an infection, while he was in a Nazi concentration camp. I was wondering why the Nazis would allow medical treatment for a group of people whom they were trying to exterminate. Nobody else in my class, was able to answer this. I am honestly confused.
Well, if you continue to read books by the man who trademarked the Holocaust(TM) then you will be confused. Not long ago, a jew (a self-hating jew, of course) confirmed some of the claims of the revisionists. He saw and photographed the theater and swimming pools at the concentration camps. He says that they don't show them to you on the tours. You have to ask to see them and, since he told them he was one of the "chosen", they bent over backwards to accomodate him. He also showed (again, confirming revisionists) that the "gas chamber" pellet dropping traps were added later, as could be seen by anyone since the concrete was blown out, which shows that someone made the hole from the other side. Try drilling with a masonry bit through a brick wall. When the bit goes through it shatters a large amount of the brick on the other side. Don't forget that the "gas chambers" themselves are way too small for the kind of large scale executions that the Germans would have had to have done to have killed as many jews as is claimed. And just think, if I were a German or a Canadian, I would be in jail for typing these truthful and logical points. Several Germans already are.
Consider the number of "survivors" of the "death camps". Some death camps, considering the Germans' reknowned efficiency at anything they do.
The reason for the large number of concentration camp deaths, which wasn't 6 million jews no matter how much they count, is due to the war. Does anyone on this board really believe that the Germans were going to use up precious food stores on prisoners? No, they fed the army, the government functionaries and the populace. The prisoners were last and you can bet that the US government would do the same thing and probably be accused of running "death camps" at places like Guantanamo.
The 6 million figure is a magic number for the jews. They claimed the same numbers during WWI and in one other time in history. This is old hat for them but, in this case, it paid off big time. They have browbeat every western government into doing whatever they ask. They have conditioned people into an automatic response anytime that anyone is critical of the jews for any reason. That is why this post probably won't stay up for long.
Consider the number of "survivors" of the "death camps". Some death camps, considering the Germans' reknowned efficiency at anything they do.
I have heard that the Soviets used a very efficient technique of execution: they would line up two people and kill both with the same bullet.
The Nazis had to manufacture, transport, and utilize a volatile gas. Maybe they would have had an easier time with this "genocide" dealie if they had only mastered the concept of using the same bullets that their army already had.
Does anyone on this board really believe that the Germans were going to use up precious food stores on prisoners? No, they fed the army, the government functionaries and the populace.
This is very insightful. My German grandfather lived in a small farming village just south of the German/Austrian border. I never met him, but as I understand, he didn't really care for politics, Nazis, or combat. In the last days of the war, he was conscripted into the losing Nazi army. As he said, he was never close enough to see his bullets land. The first chance he got, he surrendered because, as he said, he knew where the food was. However, even in the American POW camp he was starved down to 90 pounds by the end of the war.
On the front lines, I can see how supply lines may fail -- but this man wasn't in the chaos of battle. The German army was starving, and the soldiers fighting for you are the first people you want to feed.
Hitler couldn't have fed the Jews if he tried.
neurotic_poet Re: Re: Holocaust History
Thanks again for your story.
Ladies and Gentlemen! May I introduce you to 2,yes 2(!) Revisionist historians. Their job today is to blow that smoke so you will begin to question Hitler's "big, old meany" reputation. See how interesting their 'stories' can be? Too bad they are all bunk.
Good try boys, but the smoke wasn't thick enough.
onemorevoiceusa Re: Re: Holocaust History
I smell a nazi and you stink like your filthy final solutions. Hers's a bit of news for you, nazi scum. There are MILLIONS of us out here who not only abhor your twisted "revisionist" lies, but will actively fight your psychotic attempts to revive a genocidal culture of hell. Go ahead and try to force ANY of my friends, neighbors, and fellow citizens out of their homes and in to your abattoirs of hell and see if we close the curtains and look away, like the majority of your vaulted German WW average cowards did. Trust me, you will be smelling the vile stench of your own defeat if you attempt it here, in our country, the United States of America. I for one would pick up any weapon/s I could get my hands on to stop the filthy likes of you. To the death!
Thanks for the story about your grandfather! It is always refreshing to hear stories about Germans during the war, especially considering the dehumanization that historians and the ADL have done.
There were a lot of Germans who were not members of the NSDAP, the army or in the war.
You bring one interesting point and that is the starvation of the German POWs after the war. Patton released his prisoners to their own fate. Eisenhower kept his and allowed them to starve. That doesn't include the millions of Germans that were starved to death after the war and they were not all in the Soviet areas, either.
To me it just makes good common sense that any government is going to feed its prisoners last. That doesn't even take into account the jews that died from the diseases that broke out in the camps. Typhus was one of the uglier ones.
The soap and lampshade myth has been busted and it is only a matter of time before the public learns that things are not the way that the jew historians have written them.
Thanks again for your story.
neurotic_poet Re: Re: Holocaust History
Thanks again for your story.
Ladies and Gentlemen! May I introduce you to 2,yes 2(!) Revisionist historians. Their job today is to blow that smoke so you will begin to question Hitler's "big, old meany" reputation. See how interesting their 'stories' can be? Too bad they are all bunk.
Good try boys, but the smoke wasn't thick enough.
Other than some smoke you have blown, you have presented no facts to refute the jew historians. If you dispute me, fine, at least put some facts in there instead of just slinging mud and attempting to make the issue a personal attack. I smell a jew, or at least jew tactics here.
"Six million men and women are dying ... eight hundred thousand children cry for bread. And this fate is upon them through no fault of their own, ... but through the awful tyranny of war and a bigoted lust for Jewish blood. In this threatened holocaust of human life ..."
--The American Hebrew (New York, issue 582 of October 31, 1919)
1919: 6,000,000 - WW1 holocaust claim.(Martin H. Glynn in "American Hebrew")
1936: 6,000,000 - Jews claimed imprisoned.(Chaim Weizmann, later became Israeli PM)
1938: 6,000,000 - Suffering (three Jewish organisations were supporting the 6,000,000 Jewish victims who were suffering from political and economic distress in Central and Eastern Europe)
http://www.honestmediatoday.com/products.htm
Elie Wiesel: A Prominent False Witness
By Robert Faurisson
ELIE WIESEL won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1986. He is generally accepted as a witness to the Jewish "Holocaust," and, more specifically, as a witness to the legendary Nazi extermination gas chambers. The Paris daily Le Monde emphasized at the time that Wiesel was awarded the Nobel Prize because: (note 1)
These last years have seen, in the name of so-called "historical revisionism," the elaboration of theses, especially in France, questioning the existence of the Nazi gas chambers and, perhaps beyond that, of the genocide of the Jews itself.
But in what respect is Elie Wiesel a witness to the alleged gas chambers? By what right does he ask us to believe in that means of extermination? In an autobiographical book that supposedly describes his experiences at Auschwitz and Buchenwald, he nowhere mentions the gas chambers. (note 2) He does indeed say that the Germans executed Jews, but ... by fire; by throwing them alive into flaming ditches, before the very eyes of the deportees! No less than that!
Here Wiesel the false witness had some bad luck. Forced to choose from among several Allied war propaganda lies, he chose to defend the fire lie instead of the boiling water, gassing, or electrocution lies. In 1956, when he published his testimony in Yiddish, the fire lie was still alive in certain circles. This lie is the origin of the term Holocaust. Today there is no longer a single historian who believes that Jews were burned alive. The myths of the boiling water and of electrocution have also disappeared. Only the gas remains.
The gassing lie was spread by the Americans. (note 3) The lie that Jews were killed by boiling water or steam (specifically at Treblinka) was spread by the Poles. (note 4) The electrocution lie was spread by the Soviets.n (note 5)
The fire lie is of undetermined origin. It is in a sense as old as war propaganda or hate propaganda. In his memoir, Night, which is a version of his earlier Yiddish testimony, Wiesel reports that at Auschwitz there was one flaming ditch for the adults and another one for babies. He writes: (note 6)
Not far from us, flames were leaping from a ditch, gigantic flames. They were burning something. A lorry drew up at the pit and delivered its load - little children. Babies! Yes, I saw it - saw it with my own eyes ... Those children in the flames. (Is it surprising that I could not sleep after that? Sleep has fled from my eyes.)
A little farther on there was another ditch with gigantic flames where the victims suffered "slow agony in the flames." Wiesel's column was led by the Germans to within "three steps" of the ditch, then to "two steps." "Two steps from the pit we were ordered to turn to the left and made to go into a barracks."
An exceptional witness himself, Wiesel assures us of his having met other exceptional witnesses. Regarding Babi Yar, a place in Ukraine where the Germans executed Soviet citizens, among them Jews, Wiesel wrote: (note 7)
Later, I learn from a witness that, for month after month, the ground never stopped trembling; and that, from time to time, geysers of blood spurted from it.
These words did not slip from their author in a moment of frenzy: first, he wrote them, then some unspecified number of times (but at least once) he had to reread them in the proofs; finally, his words were translated into various languages, as is everything this author writes.
That Wiesel personally survived, was, of course, the result of a miracle. He says that: (note 8)
In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 persons to their deaths each day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?
In 1954 French scholar Germaine Tillion analyzed the "gratuitous lie" with regard to the German concentration camps. She wrote: (note 9)
Those persons [who gratuitously lie] are, to tell the truth, much more numerous than people generally suppose, and a subject like that of the concentration camp world - well designed, alas, to stimulate sado-masochistic imaginings - offered them an exceptional field of action. We have known numerous mentally damaged persons, half swindlers and half fools, who exploited an imaginary deportation; we have known others of them - authentic deportees - whose sick minds strove to go even beyond the monstrosities that they had seen or that people said had happened to them. There have been publishers to print some of their imaginings, and more or less official compilations to use them, but publishers and compilers are absolutely inexcusable, since the most elementary inquiry would have been enough to reveal the imposture.
Tillion lacked the courage to give examples and names. But that is usually the case. People agree that there are false gas chambers that tourists and pilgrims are encouraged to visit, but they do not tell us where. They agree that there are false "eyewitnesses," but in general they name only Martin Gray, the well-known swindler, at whose request Max Gallo, with full knowledge of what he was doing, fabricated the bestseller For Those I Loved.
Jean-François Steiner is sometimes named as well. His bestselling novel Treblinka (1966) was presented as a work of which the accuracy of every detail was guaranteed by oral or written testimony. In reality it was a fabrication attributable, at least in part, to the novelist Gilles Perrault. (note 10) Marek Halter, for his part, published his La Mémoire d'Abraham in 1983; as he often does on radio, he talked there about his experiences in the Warsaw ghetto. However, if we are to believe an article by Nicolas Beau that is quite favorable to Halter, (note 11) little Marek, about three years old, and his mother left Warsaw not in 1941 but in October of 1939, before the establishment of the ghetto there by the Germans. Halter's book is supposed to have been actually written by a ghost writer, Jean-Noël Gurgan.
Filip Müller is the author of Eyewitness Auschwitz: Three Years in the Gas Chambers, (note 12) which won the 1980 prize of the International League against Racism and Anti-Semitism (LICRA). This nauseous best-seller is actually the work of a German ghost writer, Helmut Freitag, who did not hesitate to engage in plagiarism. (note 13) The source of the plagiarism is Auschwitz: A Doctor's Eyewitness Account, another best-seller made up out of whole cloth and attributed to Miklos Nyiszli. (note 14)
Thus a whole series of works presented as authentic documents turns out to be merely compilations attributable to various ghost writers: Max Gallo, Gilles Perrault, Jean-Noël Gurgan (?), and Helmut Freitag, among others.
We would like to know what Germaine Tillion thinks about Elie Wiesel today. With him the lie is certainly not gratuitous. Wiesel claims to be full of love for humanity. However, he does not refrain from an appeal to hatred. In his opinion: (note 15)
Every Jew, somewhere in his being, should set apart a zone of hate - healthy, virile hate - for what the German personifies and for what persists in the German. To do otherwise would be a betrayal of the dead.
At the beginning of 1986, 83 deputies of the German Bundestag took the initiative of proposing Wiesel for the Nobel Peace Prize. This would be, they said, "a great encouragement to all who are active in the process of reconciliation." (note 16) That is what might be called "going from National Socialism to national masochism."
Jimmy Carter needed a historian to preside over the President's Commission on the Holocaust. As Dr. Arthur Butz said so well, he chose not a historian but a "histrion": Elie Wiesel. Even the newspaper Le Monde, in the article mentioned above, was obliged to refer to the histrionic trait that certain persons deplore in Wiesel:
Naturally, even among those who approve of the struggle of this American Jewish writer, who was discovered by the Catholic François Mauriac, some reproach him for having too much of a tendency to change the Jewish sadness into "morbidity" or to become the high priest of a "planned management of the Holocaust."
As Jewish writer Leon A. Jick has written: "The devastating barb, 'There is no business like SHOAH-business' is, sad to say, a recognizable truth." (note 17)
Elie Wiesel issues alarmed and inflammatory appeals against Revisionist authors. He senses that things are getting out of hand. It is going to become more and more difficult for him to maintain the mad belief that the Jews were exterminated or were subjected to a policy of extermination, especially in so-called gas chambers. Serge Klarsfeld has admitted that real proofs of the existence of the gas chambers have still not yet been published. He promises proofs. (note 18)
On the scholarly plane, the gas chamber myth is finished. To tell the truth, that myth breathed its last breath several years ago at the Sorbonne colloquium in Paris (June 29-July 2, 1982), at which Raymond Aron and François Furet presided. What remains is to make this news known to the general public. However, for Elie Wiesel it is of the highest importance to conceal that news. Thus all the fuss in the media, which is going to increase: the more the journalists talk, the more the historians keep quiet.
But there are historians who dare to raise their voices against the lies and the hatred. That is the case with Michel de Boüard, wartime member of the Resistance, deportee to Mauthausen, member of the Committee for the History of the Second World War from 1945 to 1981, and a member of the Institut de France. In a poignant interview in 1986, he courageously acknowledged that in 1954 he had vouched for the existence of a gas chamber at Mauthausen where, it finally turns out, there never was one. (note 19)
The respect owed to the sufferings of all the victims of the Second World War, and, in particular, to the sufferings of the deportees, demands on the part of historians a return to the proven and time-honored methods of historical criticism.
Notes
1.October 17, 1986. Front page.
2.There is one single allusion, extremely vague and fleeting, on pages 78-79: Wiesel, who very much likes to have conversations with God, says to Him: "But these men here, whom You have betrayed, whom You have allowed to be tortured, butchered, gassed, burned, what do they do? They pray before you!" (Night, New York, Discus/Avon Books, 1969, p. 79). In his preface to that same book, François Mauriac mentioned "the gas chamber and the crematory" (p. 8). The four crucial pages of "testimony" by Elie Wiesel are reproduced in facsimile in: Pierre Guillaume, Droit et Histoire (La Vieille Taupe, 1986), pp. 147-150. In the German-language edition of Night (Die Nacht zu begraben, Elischa [Ullstein, 1962]), on 14 occasions the word "crematory" or "crematories" has been falsely given as "Gaskammer" ("gas chamber[s]"). In January of 1945, in anticipation of a Russian takeover, the Germans were evacuating Auschwitz. Elie Wiesel, a young teenager at the time, was hospitalized in Birkenau (the "extermination camp") after surgery on an infected foot. His doctor had recommended two weeks of rest and good food but, before his foot healed, the Russian takeover became imminent. Hospital patients were considered unfit for the long trip to the camps in Germany and Elie thus could have remained at Birkenau to await the Russians. Although his father had permission to stay with him as a hospital patient or orderly, father and son talked it over and decided to move out with the Germans. (See Night, p. 93. See also D. Calder, The Sunday Sun [Toronto, Canada], May 31, 1987, p. C4.)
3.See the US War Refugee Board Report, German Extermination Camps: Auschwitz and Birkenau (Washington, DC), November 1944.
4.See Nuremberg document PS-3311 (USA-293). Published in the IMT "blue series," Vol. 32, pp. 153-158.
5.See the report in Pravda, Feb. 2, 1945, p. 4, and the UP report in the Washington (DC) Daily News, Feb. 2, 1945, p. 2.
6.Night (Avon/Discus). See esp. pp. 41, 42, 43, 44, 79, 93.
7.Paroles d'étranger (Editions du Seuil, 1982), p. 86.
8."Author, Teacher, Witness," Time magazine, March 18, 1985, p. 79.
9."Le Système concentrationnaire allemand [1940-1944]," Revue d'histoire de la Deuxième Guerre mondiale, July 1954, p. 18, n. 2.
10.Le Journal du Dimanche, March 30, 1985, p. 5.
11.Libération, Jan. 24, 1986, p. 19.
12.Published by Stein and Day (New York). Paperback edition of 1984. (xii + 180 pages.) With a foreword by Yehuda Bauer of the Institute of Contemporary Jewry, Hebrew University, Jerusalem.
13.Carlo Mattogno, Auschwitz: un caso di plagio, Parma (Italy): 1986. See also: C. Mattogno, "Auschwitz: A Case of Plagiarism," The Journal of Historical Review, Spring 1990, pp. 5-24.
14.Paperback edition, 1961, and later, published by Fawcett Crest (New York).
15.Legends of Our Time (chapter 12: "Appointment with Hate"), New York: Schocken Books, 1982, p. 142, or, New York: Avon, 1968, pp. 177-178.
16.The Week in Germany (published in New York by the German government in Bonn), Jan. 31, 1986, p. 2.
17."The Holocaust: Its Use and Abuse Within the American Public," Yad Vashem Studies (Jerusalem), 1981, p. 316.
18.VSD, May 29, 1986, p. 37.
19.Ouest-France, August 2-3, 1986, p. 6.
LOL!! How can you argue with made-up facts? Sorry, proud Nazi...I have much better things to do with my time.
Obviously you do not or you wouldn't be here posting one-liners. I just posted the evidence. Ball is in your court and thus far you have nothing.
onemorevoiceusa Re: Re: Holocaust History
I smell a nazi and you stink like your filthy final solutions. Hers's a bit of news for you, nazi scum. There are MILLIONS of us out here who not only abhor your twisted "revisionist" lies, but will actively fight your psychotic attempts to revive a genocidal culture of hell. Go ahead and try to force ANY of my friends, neighbors, and fellow citizens out of their homes and in to your abattoirs of hell and see if we close the curtains and look away, like the majority of your vaulted German WW average cowards did. Trust me, you will be smelling the vile stench of your own defeat if you attempt it here, in our country, the United States of America. I for one would pick up any weapon/s I could get my hands on to stop the filthy likes of you. To the death!
We are often told, an shown through Holocaust films, that those who couldn't work were killed. How many times have we heard that? If they couldn't work they died. SO WHY DID THEY EVEN HAVE AN INFIRMARY IN THE FIRST PLACE?! Why did Anne Frank, a frail young girl die in an infirmary where doctors were trying to SAVE HER LIFE? The Concentration camps were vital to the German's war effort and the survival of the nation. Examination of the camps shows an intricate system designed to promote safety and health- yet nobody can explain to us exactly how the homicidal gas chambers worked.
And many countries will arrest you for questioning that. Question the genocide of Ukrainians, Russians, or Cambodians, but NEVER the Holocaust! Squirm as they may, those who uphold this worldview send a clear message: Jews are worth more than other peoples.
Thanks for an realistic reply. Funny all these people do not want to acknowledge the one million+ Germans murdered by Eisenhower after the war. And that does not even begin to come near the amount murdered by Stalin. And let's not forget Patton was murdered because he found the Germans much more reasonable than the soviets.
Econ622 Re: Re: Holocaust History
Oh boy, you losers are a trip! There is one problem with you version of history...it isn't true, and the Nazis were really good at documenting everything they did, especially the holocaust.
And your story about the Russian firing squads...that was also done by the Nazis and there are pictures and films of it.
Do you spend all of your time living in a make believe world or just when you are on the internet and having beers at the local nazi party headquarters?
Bring it on gunther, your lies are no match for the truth.
I have just posted factual data. What part of your post refutes that other than your statements that are equivalent to a child putting his hands over his ears to avoid something he doesn't want to hear.
I did bring it on. There are several posts with facts. Let us see you refute history and fact.
The Nazis didn't document a holocaust because there was no holocaust(tm) to document.
Most amusing to me are the several times in history that 6 million jew deaths comes up. Jewish math, I guess, where any group of numbers used in any operation equals 6 million.
"[Ben-Gurion stated] 'If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, but only half of them by transporting them to Palestine, I would choose the second - because we face not only the reckoning of those children, but the historical reckoning of the Jewish people.' In the wake of the Kristallnacht pogroms, Ben-Gurion commented that 'the human conscience' might bring various countries to open their doors to Jewish refugees from Germany. He saw this as a threat and warned: 'Zionism is in danger.'"
Israeli historian, Tom Segev
"The Seventh Million."
"Even David Ben-Gurion's sympathetic biographer acknowledges that Ben-Gurion did nothing practical for rescue, devoting his energies to post-war prospects. He delegated rescue work to Yitzak Gruenbaum, who [stated]...'They will say that I am anti-Semitic, that I don't want to save the Exile, that I don't have a varm Yiddish hartz...Let them say what they want. I will not demand that the Jewish Agency allocate a sum of 300,000 or 100,000 pounds sterling to help European Jewry. And I think that whoever demands such things is performing an anti-Zionist act.'
"Zionists in America...took the same position. At a May 1943 meeting of the American Emergency Committee for Zionist Affairs, Nahum Goldmann argued, 'If a drive is opened against the White Paper (the British policy of restricting Jewish immigrants to Palestine) the mass meetings of protest against the murder of European Jewry will have to be dropped. We do not have sufficient manpower for both campaigns.'"
Peter Novick
"The Holocaust in American Life."
"The Zionist movement...interfered with and hindered other organizations, Jewish and non-Jewish, whenever it imagined that their activity, political or humanitarian, was at variance with Zionist aims or in competition with them, even when these might be helpful to Jews, even when it was a question of life and death...Beit Zvi documents the Zionist leadership's indifference to saving Jews from the Nazi menace except in cases in which the Jews could be brought to Palestine...[e.g.] the readiness of the dictator of the Dominican Republic, Rafael Trujillo, to absorb one hundred thousand refugees and the sabotaging of this idea - as well as others, like proposals to settle the Jews in Alaska and the Philippines - by the Zionist movement...
"The obtuseness of the Zionist movement toward the fate of European Jewry did not prevent it, of course, from later hurling accusations against the whole world for its indifference toward the Jewish catastrophe or from pressing material, political, and moral demands on the world because of that indifference."
Israeli author Boas Evron
"Jewish State or Israeli Nation?"
From Norman Finkelstein's "The Holocaust Industry."
In a US Holocaust Memorial Museum publication, Henry Friedlaner, te respected Nazi Holocaust historian and ex-Auschwitz inmate, sketched this numerical picture at war's end
If there were about 715,000 prisoners in the camps at the start of 1945, and at least one third - that is, about 238,000 - prerished during spring 1945, we can assume that at most 475,000 prisoners survived. As Jews had been systematically murdered, and only those chosen for labor - in Auschwitz about 15 percent - had even a chance to survive, we must assume that Jews made up no more than 20 percent of the concentration camp population.
"We can thus assume," he concluded, "that the number of Jewish survivors numbered to no more than 100,000." Friedlander's figure for surviving Jewish slave laborers at war's end, incidentally, is at the high end among scholars. In an authoritative study, Leonard Dennerstein reported: "Sixty thousand Jews...walked out of the concentration camps. Within a week more than 20,000 of them had died."
In a May 1999 State Department briefing, Stuart Eizenstat, citing the figure of "groups representing them" put the total number of slave laborers, Jewish and non-Jewish, still alive at "perhaps 70-90,000." Eizenstat was the Chief US Envoy in the German slave-labor negoyiatins and worked closely with the Claims Conference. This would put the total number of still living Jewish slave laboreres at 14,000-18,000 (20 percent of 70-90,000). yet as it entered into negotiations with Germany, the Holocaust industry demanded compensation for 135,000 still living former Jewish slave laborers. The total number of still living former slave laborers, Jewish and non-Jewish was put at 250,000. In other words, the number of former Jewish slave laborers still alive increased nearly tenfold from May 1999, and the ratio between living Jewish and non-Jewish slave laborers drastically shifted. In fact, to believe the Holocaust industry, more former Jewish slave laborers are alive today than a half a century ago. "What a tangled web we weave," Sir Walter Scott wrote, "when we first practice to deceive."
As the Holocaust industry plays with numbers to boost its compensation claims, anti-Semites gleefully mock the "Jew liars" who even "huckster" their dead. In juggling these numbers the Holocaust industry, however, unintentionally, whitewashes Nazism. Raul Hilberg, the leading authority on the Nazi holocaust, puts the figure for Jews murdered at 5.1 million. Yet, if 135,000 former Jewish slave laborers are still alive today, some 600,000 must have survived the war. That's at least half a million more than standard estimates. One would then have to deduct this half a million from the 5.1 million figure of those killed. Not only does the "6 million figure" become more untenable, but the numbers of the Holocaust industry are rapidly approaching those of Holocaust deniers. Consider that Nazi leader Heinrich Himmler put the total camp population in January 1945 at a little over 700,000 and that, according to Friedlander, about one third of this number was killed off by May. Yet if Jews constituted only 20 percent of the surviving camp population and, as the Holocaust industry implies, 600,000 Jewish inmates survived the war, then fully 3 million inmates in total must have survived. By the Holocaust industry's reckoning, concentration camp conditions couldn't have been harsh at all; in fact, one must suppose a remarkably high fertility and remarkably low mortality rate.
The standard claim is that the Final Solution was a uniquely efficient, assembly-line, industrial extermination. But if, as the Holocaust Industry suggests, many hundreds of thousands of jews survived, the Final Solution couldn't have been so efficient after all. It must have been a haphazard affair - exactly what Holocaust deniers argue. Les extremes se touchent.
p.125-128
onemorevoiceusa Re: Re: Holocaust History
LEBE
How pathetically sad and stupid you must be to search for any straw that would relieve you of your German guilt. As you see, your mentor on this board is a rabid nazi. Might I suggest taking a a razor blade and carving a swastika on your head? It might demonstrate openly your affinity for nazi revisionist filth. Just so you can openly declare yourself, so the rest of the citizens of the UNITED STATES can identify you for who and what you are. Nazi scum like your mentor here on this forum,love dumb robots like you. Go ahead, get in touch with your roots. Twisted and ugly as they are, you are welcome to them. You are NOT welcome to goose step your way in to my American neighborhood, because there are millions of United States citizens with excellent and sane memories just like me who will be waiting for you and your ilk. Trust me, we won't hide behind the curtains. Not in the U.S.A. NEVER!
The dumb robots are those who have no critical thought process.
I have yet to see you refute any material fact that I have posted. You cannot.
The truth shall prevail.
You sound like a hysterical jew who believes there are Nazis hiding behind every tree.
Yes, I am a National Socialist. I am proud of that fact. The National Socialist state in Germany yielded a far more cleaner and better government than any we have seen thus far in the world other than, perhaps, the early Roman Republic.
"get in touch with your roots"
Now that is the kind of hateful statement that really does noone any good. There were a lot of Germans who were citizens and soldiers during the war who were not Nazis. That might be hard for you to believe but it is true. There were brave Germans fighting in the war. To demonize them and smear them is an injustice. Oh, wait, I forgot, the Allies never bombed Dresden (Here.
), the Soviets never did anything wrong either and the only people who suffered in the war were the jews. WWII per the jew in a nutshell, right?
slovjanski Re: Re: Holocaust History
All that hate will eat you up inside. You need to be more tolerant.
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