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The Khazar myth (Jewish in origin, of course) will never be eradicated: it’s too convenient for lukewarm closest anti-Semites. But I have never seen, and I believe anyone would be challenged to find, a Jew claiming it was “Khazars” or “fake” Jews who “sacked Russia and Eastern Europe via communism” — which would involve admitting that Jews were party to the Bolshevik revolution in the first place, something they are very careful to gloss over, I think we can all agree. In fact, this is certainly the first time I’ve ever encountered the idea. Think about the implication, here. It isn’t like Jews to say:

-Jews were leaders in the Bol.Rev.
-But they were Khazarian/Turkic Jews, not Ashkenazi/ethnic Jews
-Therefore the Bol.Rev. proves nothing against us

Way too sloppy for a Jew, who is a past master at making himself the victim even where he is the most blatant victimizer.

Anyway, no one serious about anti-Semitism need waste time on that Khazar baloney. Why cling to the half-baked romanticism of a drug-addled Jewish fiction writer?

The fact is, every religion has its converted tribes and racial detritus on its periphery. That Jews have Falashas and Yemenites says nothing against the startling ethnic, mental, historical homogeneity of the Ashkenazim, or German-Jews. Further, seems to me this division Ashkenazi/Sephardi is overplayed — first because they weren’t racially distinct to begin with, second because, after the Reconquista, these Sephardim established communities among the Ashkenazim and were eventually assimilated. Adorno was from a Corsican “Sephard” family, doesn’t look/read any different from your run-of-the-yeshiva Hymie Heimwitz to me. I’d easily go so far as to say the division, whatever its reality a few centuries ago, is now very much dead — much as “Yiddish identity”, and all the other maudlin “lost identities” of “Jewish memory” are dead, gone, assimilated into the modern Ashkenazi mainstream of America and Israel.

Look at Islam: because its flag flies over black and Asian peoples, does this change the fact that this religion arose from one distinct ethnos, the Arab? But the problem is the ethnically neutral term “Muslim” — whereas “Yehudim” is specific, or concretely ethnic. It’d be like calling all Islamic populations “Arabs” because they were the founder population. This didn’t happen because Islam is ecumenical, whereas, recall, the Jews deified themselves — leading to the adoption of the term by these tiny fractions of other populations, and of course by those who marry actual Jews.

Psychological studies prove anti-Semitism is a mental disorder:

http://www.adl.org

The only false distinction we need worry about today is Jew/Zionist, of which Grimm, I believe, is a proponent. Anyone who tries to preserve this distinction is holding back because they tell themselves they know some “good Jews”, or maybe want to bang a hot little Jewess in the next residence hall; in other words are compromised and foist this mental, moral compromise onto the perception of others. Or they say it is illogical that all or most Jews can be put in the same category as real or potential malefactors. This proves only that they haven’t even begun to understand the Jews.

Sorry for all the comments. I just am so sick of this kooky “Khazar” bullshit, all of these crazy romantic tales the majorityrights/phora/stormfroth/true-israelite/etc. set likes to kick around.

“Solzhenitsyn discusses the Khazar question (see here) favorably.”

Solzhenitsyn is an authority? who cares what he favors? maybe he’s just caught the same bug as everyone else?

“since the Khazars were integrated into the main stock”

But no: the Khazarians claim that the Khazars who converted to Judaism are the main stock of modern Jews! At least get the kooky thing right.

“apart from motivations people might have for or against”

So what might be the motivation for believing it to be true? Jews don’t believe it, as I show above — and you won’t find a Jew who does, much less uses it to “absolve” Jewish involvement in Bolshevik Revolution, which they never admit anyway.

Socrates is confusing the issue, actually glossing over the real reason for this idea’s popularity — which lay in our camp, obviously. So I ask, what might be the motivation? why would anti-Semites (from Ford’s day to our own) believe this idea?

‘Nother point: what is meant when we say “Turks”? do we mean the equestrian warriors from the steppe who settled in Anatolia, or the native Anatolians themselves? who was there before the coming of the Turks? does any WN even realize there were people in Anatolia before the Turks? how many even know to what the name refers?

And so on — the history of the Jews, their ethnic identity, is actually extremely plain, but “conspiracy” types confuse things for two reasons:

a) The weirdest, most romantic explanation will always be the most popular
b) Rumors (folk tales) travel fast and die hard

Wolf sums it up better than I but here’s my two cents:
I don’t understand the great debate here. If you can except the sephartic tale, why not more jews of a different origin. I don’t think that adding the Khazarian theory to it absolves other jews one bit.
After all the thousands of years of their intrusion on White European society is it impossible to believe that there are not more of them?

none rejects scientific evidence that points to a Khazar origin of Ashkenazi Jews.

I reject kooky romantic stories touted as theory. If the means of human communication were presently at the same level as that obtaining in the time of the Khazars, a few centuries from now people would surely work up scientific evidence pointing to an American origin for Ashkenazi Jews — and from their perspective would be no less right given the evidence our age is preparing for them. It’s looking at the matter from the wrong end. I’m sure these Khazars were no more enthusiastic about fiat imposition of Jewish religion on their folk as we are today: such is the way of bad leaders. From this, anti-Semites and a couple crazy Jews decided that Biblical Jews could not possibly have left any ethnic trace on this Earth, and so these Khazars must be their inheritors. Anyone who believes backward romantic crap like this is one step from believing how the leopard got his spots.

It’s a lot like Indian nationalists scientifically proving that Aryans were autochthonous. The whole existence of a world-historic folk (mistaken for racial aliens sharing a distant cultural relationship/tribal designation) is telescoped out from one place, fixed upon because the notion has some real or imagined political significance to the adherent of the idea. Very petite moderne approach, with some DNA facts & figures shoveled atop.

How else would those jews in easten Europe just pop up out of nowhere?

They didn’t “pop out of nowhere” — they came from the Rhineland. How do you think they all got those German surnames, genius? and you do realize people walked great distances before mass transport, yes?

Conscious “jews” don’t want the “jewish” herd to know about the Khazars because it takes “their” history away from them.

Damn, you got me. The anti-Semitic gumshoes have done it again!

Besides David Duke said that most jews are Khazars and if Duke says it then it must be true.

Oy.

“Jews” walked great distances from Khazaria to Germany. They don’t all have German surnames, only the ones from Germany. Many of them have Russian, Ukrainian, or Polish names.

They didn’t “pop out of nowhere” — they came from the Rhineland. How do you think they all got those German surnames, genius? and you do realize people walked great distances before mass transport, yes?
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They didn’t walk if they could avoid it. (Who would?) There was always mass transport (caravans, barges,etc.) Before MOTORIZED transport, traders/travelers generally used water routes where possible. There are many rivers, lakes and seas in Europe. Overland routes were the last resort, only when water wasn’t available.
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As for “those Germanic surnames”, those were not acquired until imposed by law in the late 1700’s (Austria), and then elsewhere by Napoleon’s edict of 1808. This was really an event quite recent in history. Jews resisted it bitterly. Before that, Ashkenazic Jews did not have last names, whether Germanic or otherwise. (Sephardic Jews did.)

On September 10, 1985 in an address entitled “Middle East Terror -The Double Standard” to the Cornell Club of Washington DC,

Dr Alfred M Lilienthal revealed that the Khazar-Jewish connection has been VERIFIED by MANY prominent anthropologists.

” The overwhelming majority of Jews are descendants from the converts of Khazaria and elsewhere who ADOPTED Judaism….

This view of the NON-ethnicity of the largest portion of Jewry is sustained by such prominent anthropologists as Ripley, Weissenberg, Hertz, Boas, Pittard, Fishberg, Mead and OTHERS”

– Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal

“(1) Jews are not a race. This is proven from jewish sources in regard to Falashim or Black jews; Benai Israel or Indian jews; Chinese jews, who look Chinese to a foreigner, but who are not real Chinese; the Sephardim or semitic jews; and the Ashkenazim or “Russian” jews, who are most likely to have White genes. These people converted to Judaism in 700 A.D.

Many of them resemble White people, but all of them, according to “The Genetics of the Jews” have Afro-Asian genes, including the blondest of them. Blond, blue-eyed people with Afro-Asian genes are not White, but mongrels. ”

(2) Jews are not a religious group, for they include atheists.
Two thirds of the “jewish” population of Israel are NOT religious, but claim to be “jewish” through their mothers, which is how Orthodox rabbis define “jewishness”. A White person who ‘converts’ to Judaism will NOT be deemed a jew by Orthodox rabbis.

(3) Jews are not an ethnic group because they reside in all parts of the world and resemble their host peoples in looks, language, and often, in religion.

Yet, they consider themselves jews. What can be their common bond? Not religion, not race, not ethnicity, but economy!

It’s their rackets which bind them together as jews, exactly as the “patels” are bound together by their caste-determined role as merchants. Such disparate groups maintain cohesion with their common interests, and behave like a nation among nations. Yet, they are not a nation, which is comprised of people with a common genetic origin. ”

TAKEN FROM
LET’S GET THIS RIGHT: JEWS AREN’T WHITE !
by Eric Thomson

i filled out an application resently and under the race selection it included north africans and arabs under the “white” selection box, since when are arabs and africans white? just another way to confuse white people .