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Most of the bailout crisis cabal are either lawyers, or graduates of big name schools. When the penalty phase of the bailout crisis starts, if it ever does, will these over-educated lawyers, MBAs, and other financial geniuses, plead ignorance or stupidity.

I think Steele is selling snake oil too. In some ways he’s no better than the greasy ivy league educated jews on Wall Street. LOL.

I have to agree with you Dutch. The easy way to check if a white person is on our side or jewish is by asking him one question. Who controls media, and entertainment industry.

On more then one occasion I asked Mr. Steele if he’d write an article about Jewish control of media. He was back-fliping on that issue. I think it’s safe to say that Dr. William Pierce was the best leader our movement ever had, he NEVER back down with them. He always remined everyone who control our way of life and though what means.

Todays’ society is not controll by Pope, or even by government. Our society is run by media & entertainment industry. 99% of the people do what they b/c they see it on media, read it on newspaper.

Mr. Steele refuse to talk about this issue. Also these days he has not written any article exposing Jews. Compare that with Dr. William Pierce, he’d write an article every week or so exposing Jewish for to see. Also, he idea that we should go out and vote — that’s as stupid as you are going to get. VOTING DOESN’T SOVLE OUR PROBLEM. DEMOCRACY IS DESTORYING OUR RACE!!!!!!!

You’re right again, Olde Douche. Well stated.

The problem with Dr. Pierce was that he created a leader-oriented organization, one that was not designed to outlive him. When he died, the National Allieance died with him. No more Cult of Personalities, please. We need a White Power movement that is about doing, not following. Thank you.

Some kind of ursury [sic] is actually needed in order to motivate the people, who have aquired [sic] money to circulate it.

Usurers are parasites.

What we really need is a publicly owned usury-free banking system.

By the way, it is always a cheap polemic to say that the people, who direct the economy, are parasites, because they don´t work with their hands (the funny thing is, that the people who use that polemic don´t work with their hands either). The economy needs direction by specialists. I admit that it would be better when the specialists would be motivated by benevolence not by greed, but I am not that opitmistic that such an ideal is very realistic.

Steele, the old buffon, is clearly wrong when he blame fiat money. Even silver coins were money through a fiat by the governments. But even the blaming usury is not so easy as it might appear.

Instead you have chosen to parrot mindless slogans.

You mean mindless slogans like “communistic economies don’t work”?

You’re obviously new to this site and, unfortunately, you’re speaking in fractured English which makes it difficult to understand you.

I’ve already discussed all the things you mentioned in your post on other threads and I really don’t feel like rehashing stuff I’ve already commented on, so why don’t you check out VNN’s archives and update yourself, okay?

@Zarathustra

Although I can understand your fear, I think it is baseless, when you get your priorities right. First we would have to win a power struggle with the jews. And because the jews have so much power now, we would need real good white men to win that fight (i admit my fantasy leaves me at this point). And when these white men would take over our financial system and reform it (not abolish it), it would work better. This more or less was the case in Nazi Germany.

I think all whining about fiat money and usury is not logical, because the alternatives are not there. And in the end this armchair financial philosophy is contra-productive, because it disturbs our priorities. We must first gain power.

Precious metals advocates like Steele and Ron Paul are a distraction, not a solution. Why advokate gold as “real money” (instead of cattle or something else) when you have no gold? The jews own the greatest part of the gold and the mining industry. Steele is a fraud, when he never mentions this fact and tries to lure white men in investing in those things.

First we must win. Then we can reform the money system. Economic slogans don´t help us. I don´t see any alternative to fiat money and usury.

If all the Jews could be instantly removed from all positions of authority in the financial system, you can bet your ass that their places would be instantly taken by greedy, son of a bitch White Capitalists who care no more for other Whites than the Jews did.

Yes, exactly.

Driving a stake through the heart of the jew vampire isn’t enough.

We must also drive a stake through the heart of the jewntiles who seek to replace him.

The best way to do this is to nationalize the banking or “financial services” industry which currently serves as the nexus of their usury-fueled global empire.

Silversurfer Says: “Nationalized banks won´t give you money for free, because they take a risk in doing so. So the abolishment of usury is an illusion.”

I disagree. State banks, using real U.S. Treasury dollars, could operate via taxpayer funds merely as a public service. (Maybe a small fee could be charged to help pay for the paperwork).

Hello Socrates,

you wrote: “Maybe a small fee could be charged to help pay for the paperwork.”

I respond: The “small fee” would have to cover all failed enterprises, wouldn´t it? So I doubt the fee would be small. Otherwise the taxpayer would have to finance the banks. That is a possibility, but I doubt that it would work out in the long-run, because the bankers would act irresponsibly when the taxpayers would cover their wrong decisions. It would be a permanent bailout.

Don´t get me wrong. I don´t want to defend the status quo, which is of course not desirable. I only want to stress that usury is not bad per se. It is a powerful tool, that has unfortunately always been in the hand of our mortal enemies, who have used it for our enslavement. It goes back to Babylon as Astle pointed out in his book “Babylonian woe”. Every civilisation ever since was storngly influenced at least, perhaps even secretly controlled by the jews. We tend to associate usury with our misery like Pawlov´s dog. But usury solves a problem which must be solved in a civilisation (barter societies are not desirable, although they have their advocates in the `movement´). Usury motivates the people who have gained money to circulate it. Without circulation the economy of a civilisation collapses very fast. So far I haven´t seen a solution to the problem apart from usery. In the hand of responsable white men usery could work out in a beneficial way. And there don´t have to be the boom and bust cycles, which we have in our current system.

Another point I wish to make is the following: All those whining about fiat money and usery is contra-productive when it is a distraction from our real problem, namely our enslavement by a malevolent group. White men love discussions about abstract principles. I ask myself wheter this is a sign of cowardice. They don´t have the guts to name the jews, so they name fiat money or usery. Even people who name the jew tend to get entagled in those discussions and normally don´t even get the logic of their argument right.

As I stressed above. First we would have to win a power struggle. The we could discuss economics.

Best wishes.

In an ideal White homeland, I think the banks, the power companies and the oil companies would all have to be nationalized to make sure that no greedy, scheming speculators or other private interests hostile to the welfare of the White Race could take us over again. Never mind all that laissez-faire, free-market crap. Those are manifestations of “Jewthink”.

Silversurfer,

Did you know that our entire money supply is created by commercial banks? I’ll bet that you didn’t know that.

Please explain to us why private corporations called “commercial banks” should create our money? Why shouldn’t our money be created by the national government? Did you know that all national sovereign governments have the right to create money? Then why should national sovereign governments give away the right to create money to private corporations called “commercial banks”? Why should national government give a legal privilege to private corporations called “commercial banks” to create our money out of thin air when the national governments can just do that themselves and bypass the commercial bank Jewish middlemen? Can you answer those questions?

What Socrates wrote is exactly correct. Government run banks issuing the money supply(currency) is a model which was used with great success by the American colonies during the 18th century and is what was partly responsible for the explosive economic growth in the colonies during that period.

Hi Z.O.G.!

Ok, my English is bad, since I am from Europe, but I am not that uneducated, as you assume. I know that our money by and large is created by private banks through loans to the government. But the subtleties of fractional reserve banking were not the subject of our discussion. The subject was, whether usury is always bad. I contended that statement by @Old Douche and so far I haven´t receiveded convincing arguments that show that usury is bad per se. You saíd that charging interest is a “scam”. But I can´t understand why. The banker takes a risk, namely the risk, that the loaner doen´t gives him the money back, because his enterprise fails. Nobody with the will to survive would lend his money without interest or a big fee. Whether the bank is private or public makes no big difference (ok, there are some differences, but their discussion would complicate my argument to the point of complete confusion, so I didn´t mention them). And so there would no circulation of money without usery. And so there would be no higher civilisation. When the interest rate is moderate, I would assume that usury isn´t a bad thing. And so I can´t see why white nationalists shouldn´t use this instrument, when they would have the power to install a money system according to their wishes (ok, that´s pure fantasy at this point, since I haven´t seen a convincing strategy to get the power so far and our time is running out, as you probably know).

Then you said, that I would claim private banks should be in the position to create money. I never claimed that. In fact I personally would prefer nationalized banks, but this was not the subject of our discussion. And I might add, that nationalized banks are not good per se. As far as I unstand it, the SU had nationalized banks, but you wouldn´t call it a paradise for the white man, would you? And as far as I understand the intenational trends in finance, more intermingling beetween the private banks and the government is on the way, as was not only shown by the “bailout” in the last weaks. I wouldn´t be suprised when Obama would walk in the footsteps of FDR´s “New Deal” and install some sort of communism with nationalized banks. But this perspective, which is quite similar here in Europe doesn´t make me happy. As I said above: The all important question is not which is the structure of the financial system but which is the group with its innate moral and aesthetic instincts, which controls the systems. (And btw., there will always be a ruling class and a working class, you might call it a “scam”, but it is a necessity in every higher civilisation).

To come back to our subject. I want to make a new point. The condemnation of usury is a subject of the Bible and the Quuran. I assume the WN´s who claim that usury is the root of all evil are influenced by that, even if they claim to be atheists or agnostics. But I ask myself wheter the Jews have not written these “holy” books for the consumption of non-jews only in order to get a monopoly of usury that would allow them to get all the wealth of the earth in the long run. The catholic church defended that monopoly in the middle ages in declaring: usury is bad, so only jews are allowed to use it. Revilo Oliver supposed that the catholic church was secredly controlled by the jews, because the jews profited immensly from this position.

Finally I want to stress there might be a much better money system, which doesn´t has usery as an istrument, but so far I haven´t seen it. But as I said above. Before we could install such a imaginary system there would have to be a victory first.

@Olde douche

You are an impostor. The comments of yours, you linked to, give no hint to an argument, why usury is bad per se. And they show no alternative to usury to keep the circulation of money going. Shame on you.

Silversurfer,

Money circulates because of SPENDING, not because of loans.

FYI.

Hi Z.O.G,

I´ve read that the bulwark of money is created through loans to the government. And that the central bank, which is a governmental institution (although it is ownd by private banks) distributes the loaned money to other banks. I have read several books about finance which seemed to be more serious than the video you linked to. But let´t not nitpick about the details. I believe anyway that there are secrets in high finance no autor has uncovered so far, since no author was a member of the inner circle of power. Each book about finance was contradictory to another concerning important questions. And no book was a thoroughly satisfying read since important questions which popped up in my mind were not adressed.

Best wishes.

Yes, shabbos, that´s what I´ve read as well. Do you know the relation between the money created by government loans and the money created by commercial banks through fracional reserve loans? I have read that the bulk of money is created through government bonds. I think there must be a coordination between both processes of creating money. Otherwise a super-inflations seems very probable. I assume that the central bank of the centrale bank of international settlement in Geneva (?) has some kind of coordination role. And probably there is a secret council which is far more important for the coordination than this central bank for the central banks. There are so many open question regarding the money system and so few answers!