Now there was a REAL counter-culture figure. Not like Che Guevara or any of these fake rebellious heroes that are 100% ZOG approved&sponsored. Dr. Pierce said what was vastly unpopular because he believed in what is right. So of course the government/mass media never gave him a moment's peace. But he fought his whole life no matter how overwhelming the odds against him. And he did so without sacrificing an ounce of integrity. Here's to you Dr. Pierce :cheers:

That's DR. DeMarais.

Jesus Christ, I could have called him "Bob" and it would not have made a fucking difference. Concentrate on what he was trying to say, instead of correcting me.

Most of you can hear Dr. Pierce’s words or read his words endlessly, and never understand his message .

Dr. Pierce expected us to dedicate every available waking hour to the efficient and effective use of wining the war.

He expected us to be fanatics, to be zealots.

He expected us to be practical, and to overcome all problems.

He expected us to avoid all hobbyism.

He expected us to convert our egos into fuel for progress and to subvert our egos whenever our egos interfere with progress.

He expected us to have the courage to not fear the FBI, the IRS or anyone else, and to have the self-restraint not to bait or be baited by the antis, the police, or anyone else.
He expected each of us to force discipline upon ourself.

He expected us to move forward everyday, regardless of ill health, monetary problems, women problems, or anything else. There are no valid excuses.

He expected us to do what he did, nothing more and nothing less.

No, Dr. Pierce is not rolling over in his grave, as some have claimed. He is resting. It is us who should be rolling over in our sleep with nightmares of hell for being too cowardly and too lazy to will to carry on his work.

You don’t need to hear 100 of Dr. Pierce’s radio shows or read 100,000 of his words to know all of the above.

After limited exposure to Dr. Pierce’s message, you either “get it” or you don’t. You either “get it” or you never will.

He did not work 80 hours a week to entertain you or to keep reaffirming and reinforcing your beliefs.

--Bob DeMarais, fanatic

"It is us who should be rolling over in our sleep with nightmares of hell for being too cowardly and too lazy to will to carry on his work."

Whoa! That's quite a sermon coming from the very First Quitter of Pierce's hand picked Board of Directors!! I'm just happy that I will not have to carry that shameful burden the rest of my life. Pray tell us, Bob, why did you quit your BOD post so quickly and so quietly, a post trusted to you by Pierce himself, and not meant to be taken lightly considering it's inherent responsibility of looking after the continued success of the NA and Pierce's 30 years hard work in building it up? How does one in such an important post just pick up his toys and go home, at the first hint of problems coming from new Chairman Gliebe? When you up and quit, did you expect the remaining Directors to "make things right" for you, so you wouldn't have to dirty your hands dealing with Gliebe personally? Was dealing with Gliebe "beneath" you? Do you think Pierce would have been proud of your reaction to Gliebe, i.e., as a sheep cowers and flees in the face of a wolf? Do you really pretend to preach to the rest of us about being cowardly and lazy? I maintain that if Dr.Pierce's BOD had each upheld the duties and responsibilities of their posts, we would certainly not see the present messy outcome with, among other unpleasant results , the possibility of you losing your home in expensive litigation.

Should I just pretend forever, as apparently everyone else here does, that you were, as your new signature says, "fanatical" about your position as caretaker of Pierce's National Alliance? Did you think you were never going to be "called on the carpet" for quitting one of the most important posts one could have been entrusted with, by one of our greatest leaders? Is no one supposed to notice the elephant in the living room?

"He expected us to be fanatics, to be zealots."

--Bob DeMarais, fanatic

"It is us who should be rolling over in our sleep with nightmares of hell for being too cowardly and too lazy to will to carry on his work."

Whoa! That's quite a sermon coming from the very First Quitter of Pierce's hand picked Board of Directors!! I'm just happy that I will not have to carry that shameful burden the rest of my life. Pray tell us, Bob, why did you quit your BOD post so quickly and so quietly, a post trusted to you by Pierce himself, and not meant to be taken lightly considering it's inherent responsibility of looking after the continued success of the NA and Pierce's 30 years hard work in building it up? How does one in such an important post just pick up his toys and go home, at the first hint of problems coming from new Chairman Gliebe? When you up and quit, did you expect the remaining Directors to "make things right" for you, so you wouldn't have to dirty your hands dealing with Gliebe personally? Was dealing with Gliebe "beneath" you? Do you think Pierce would have been proud of your reaction to Gliebe, i.e., as a sheep cowers and flees in the face of a wolf? Do you really pretend to preach to the rest of us about being cowardly and lazy? I maintain that if Dr.Pierce's BOD had each upheld the duties and responsibilities of their posts, we would certainly not see the present messy outcome with, among other unpleasant results , the possibility of you losing your home in expensive litigation.

Should I just pretend forever, as apparently everyone else here does, that you were, as your new signature says, "fanatical" about your position as caretaker of Pierce's National Alliance? Did you think you were never going to be "called on the carpet" for quitting one of the most important posts one could have been entrusted with, by one of our greatest leaders? Is no one supposed to notice the elephant in the living room?

"He expected us to be fanatics, to be zealots."

--Bob DeMarais, fanatic

If you were White Will, Kitty Molz or Fred Streed that post you just made might be worth taking seriously.

Shamefully the people on the Board of Directors of the National Alliance managed to run Dr. Pierce's organization into the ground within a matter a months, something the SPLC, FBI and ADL failed to do in 20 years!
What an asset they've been to the Jews!

Shamefully the people on the Board of Directors of the National Alliance managed to run Dr. Pierce's organization into the ground within a matter a months, something the SPLC, FBI and ADL failed to do in 20 years!
What an asset they've been to the Jews!

At least they acknowledged their mistakes, whereas Gliebe would simply smear anybody that dared to question him.

If you were White Will, Kitty Molz or Fred Streed that post you just made might be worth taking seriously.

Not only does your comment make no sense, it also has nothing to do with the validity of what I posted.

BTW, all the folk you mentioned know me personally, as I know them. If you weren't just another anonymous name on this forum, perhaps someone here might take you seriously.

Not only does your comment make no sense, it also has nothing to do with the validity of what I posted.

BTW, all the folk you mentioned know me personally, as I know them. If you weren't just another anonymous name on this forum, perhaps someone here might take you seriously.

Anonymous name? Hey. I tried looking your name up in the phonebook and couldn't find it.

I'm not going to deny or debate you knowing them personally. It's easy to make claims like that (and pose as an insider) in a forum. If you actually do, then I may have been mistaken in posting what I did.

Recently broke out my old shortwave radio. Just got through listening to ADV on 3185kHz at 4:00 utc. I was half expecting it not to be there, but there it was. Shortwave was the first place I heard ADV and Dr Pierce. I am surprised that they still do it. Anyone know how much it costs to have that station air the program?

Anonymous name? Hey. I tried looking your name up in the phonebook and couldn't find it.

I'm not going to deny or debate you knowing them personally. It's easy to make claims like that (and pose as an insider) in a forum. If you actually do, then I may have been mistaken in posting what I did.

It ain't about me, bub.
Do you have any comment on Dr. Bob's disingenuous sermon? Don't you ever wonder what Dr. Pierce would think about his whole BOD just up and quitting their posts at the first sign of trouble? Or, is bringing this matter up considered taboo? Censored? Not open to discussion among civilized minds? Irrelevant?

If you were White Will, Kitty Molz or Fred Streed that post you just made might be worth taking seriously.

White Will was not a member of the BOD, and why would criticism from board members be relevant and others not? Kurtz has made a valid point here.

White Will was not a member of the BOD, and why would criticism from board members be relevant and others not? Kurtz has made a valid point here.

Obviously, Augusuts, I know that White Will was not a board member. It's not about board members criticizing other board members.

Its more about harshly criticizing board members and Dr. Bob without being there or really witnessing things as an outsider. It's easy to say "you should have done ZYX...!" of "You're a coward because you didnt do XYZ!" from an armchair.

I don't really know who Kurtz is, which is why I said I might be wrong. MAYBE he is and MAYBE he knows something the rest of us don't. I SORT OF see where he is coming from with the Board of Directors, but I don't agree and I don't think it is productive to be airing dirty laundry like this on VNNF.

It ain't about me, bub.
Do you have any comment on Dr. Bob's disingenuous sermon? Don't you ever wonder what Dr. Pierce would think about his whole BOD just up and quitting their posts at the first sign of trouble? Or, is bringing this matter up considered taboo? Censored? Not open to discussion among civilized minds? Irrelevant?

It ain't about me, either.

And no, I don't have a comment on Dr. Bob's sermon, except for the fact that I don't feel it to be disingenuous. He sounds like the same Dr. Bob that edited Thunderbolt when I was back in college up north.

I'm not sure what Dr. Pierce would think. I wasen't in or near NAHQ and I don't feel that I know enough facts to brand the Board of Directors.

Through what I've heard of the three... I know that

1) Kitti Molz was threatened to be "outed" to her employer, thus putting her family in danger.

2) Dr. Bob had his house seized (or something along those lines) and was harassed by the Gleibe goon squad.

3) Fred Streed also had his plot on NAHQ seized and was even shot at once by hired guards.

My info may be a little rusty on the three, and maybe someone who knows more can clear all this up, but I don't think its right to call them out like this.

Put the blame for the NA's demise where it belongs: Gleibe and Walker.

...My info may be a little rusty on the three, and maybe someone who knows more can clear all this up, but I don't think its right to call them out like this.

Put the blame for the NA's demise where it belongs: Gleibe and Walker.

Yes, your info is a little rusty, Kennewick_Man, and your chronology of events flawed. The accurate story of the demise of Dr. Pierce's National Alliance can be found here in the VNNF archive for anyone interested in spending the days and weeks it will take to put it all together.

I know Col. Kurtz and will vouch for him as one of the best, most professional Alliance members that Dr. Pierce ever had. Unlike so many others who kept silent, Kurtz fought the Gliebe takeover tooth and nail, just as Dr. Bob Demarais did until he finally threw up his arms and quit in total disgust and frustration. What most people don't know is that the usually reserved Dr. Bob had some monumental shouting matches with the doofus "Aryan Barbarian," Erich Gliebe, demanding fiscal accountability, before he quietly moved on to create a fine magazine -- since destroyed by Gliebe/Walker -- with which to carry on the struggle as best he could. Dr. Bob is a professional who dedicated his life and fortune to Alliance-building, just as he stated, and is still fighting Gliebe/Walker in his own way, determinedly, and is likely to prevail in the end, though it's not likely that there will be anything at all left of the National Alliance and National Vanguard Books at the end of his legal struggle with the traitors/hijackers. Like Fred Streed after him, Dr. Bob expressed his regrets for having resigned the NA Board of Directors, but unless Monday morning quarterbacks critical of the board can demonstrate that they would have handled the bullying "new" NA Chairman more effectively, had they been in their shoes, they'd be advised to keep their criticism to themselves.

I had the feeling, as soon as I read it, that Dr. Bob's latest heartfelt message to us would elicit the response it did from from Col. Kurtz, but I expected it to come from another quarter, not from Kurtz. I don't hold it against Kurtz for expressing his strong reaction. I can only hope that exceptional men like both Kurtz and Dr. Bob, who were once brought together by Dr. Pierce, can work together again, in time, in a regathering of the best of sincere Pierce loyalists. It takes time for the dust to fully settle after such a cataclysmic setback, and for predictable rifts between sincere, honorable comrades to heal. But Father Time can be kind to those that are patient.

Obviously, Augusuts, I know that White Will was not a board member. It's not about board members criticizing other board members.

Its more about harshly criticizing board members and Dr. Bob without being there or really witnessing things as an outsider. It's easy to say "you should have done ZYX...!" of "You're a coward because you didnt do XYZ!" from an armchair.

I don't really know who Kurtz is, which is why I said I might be wrong. MAYBE he is and MAYBE he knows something the rest of us don't. I SORT OF see where he is coming from with the Board of Directors, but I don't agree and I don't think it is productive to be airing dirty laundry like this on VNNF.

K.M., if my word means anything to you, you'll have great respect for White Will. What he says is gold, in my opinion. Not a deceptive bone in his body. And, though I've never met Colonel Kurtz, I do know he's sent me generous contributions for TAA, and he's distributed thousands. He is also highly respected by men I know and trust.