Rounder VS COTW, I didn't see that one coming.

Miller allow the voice of reason to interject for a moment. COTW has been one of your top 5 biggest supporters so I am sure any question he asks would be sincere.

Anyone that has been in the movement as long as you have will have a ton on enimies and a ton of friends. Sort them out so you will know who is picking and who is asking sincere questions.

Read his post #69 above again, Doc.

I think you misunderstand me a bit. I'm not on here to win friends. Making friends results in cliques. Cliques are bad, bad, bad. I came on here 10 months ago for the sole purpose of presenting my side of "the story". Then decided to try to contribute to the "movement" by pushing and inspiring a little bit, and pry some anonymous, do-nothing, computer commandos off their computer stools and turn them into ACTIVISTS.

When, and if I become convinced I'm more of a liability than an asset here, I'll be gone qucker than a cat can kiss his ass.

I'm nice to the 60 plus VNN ACTIVISTS who now support VNN's tabloid project and one other individual. You know who he is. All the rest are worthless defeatists, hobbyists, or saboteurs, therefore make me sick to my stomach. They are more neausating to me than the lemmings, and regardless of whether they hate me or not.

Bluvens has a chemical imbalance. It's not his fault, but unfortunately our movement seems to attract more than our fair share of these types.

Listen, if bluvens had been handed 250,000 bucks, he would have taken that money in a minute and most likely bought a one way ticket to the Fiji Islands and been doing the grind with as many brown girls as he could find. And if Bluvens would have been busted like Miller, he would still be in the fed witness program singing away, gaaaarannnteeed.

I'm not a defender of Miller and I don't know what happened except he did a deal and was in the Fed Protection Program, and that's enough for me to stay away, but if Linder wants him around then that's between Linder and Miller.

Anyway, Bluvens should be humored, not taken seriously. Anyone that listens to his embarrassingly unprofessional broadcasts should be able to figure that out.

Read his post #69 above again, Doc.

Now how could I have missed post 69?

EVERY single message that I got on this show is very similiar to this one. As I said before, the posters on this forum seem to be the only ones that are pro-Miller.

"Merry Christmas, Mike.

Thank you for your "interview" with Glenn Miller. I know it took alot of patience to keep from screaming at him. I personally like the way he referred to being a rat and testifying against the Order as "plea bargaining". That was cute...
The most disturbing part of the whole thing is how he has no remorse for his actions. His excuse for ratting on Pastor Butler was that he didn't know him, as though that made it okay.
The only remorse he had was for his mud-child offspring, which I doubt was sincere.
I'll bet you a million dollars that the gov't is paying him to make this so-called "comeback" of his, so that he can rat more people out."

A listener

Yes, I fathered a non-white child, to my shame and disgrace. 37 years ago. So fully brainwashed in my 20's, I may have been the first wigger. I did however, produce 5 subsequent White Aryan children - 3 sons, 2 daughters to at least try and make up for it.

Never be ashamed or disgraced by your children. Only be ashamed or disgraced by their actions, and they by yours. You fathered the child before you were aware of the world racial struggle we are all part of, you did nothing wrong. I forget if you previously said you had abandoned this child, if so, that would be quite sad.

Your comments above prove you know virtually nothing about my underground objectives. But you're an excellent monday morning quarterback.

Have you been talking incessantly about your underground achievements? I never caught them if you did. That’s why I’m asking questions]

You asked what I would have done and I told you. I admitted to no military training but you brag about yours. So, why were you so ill prepared?

I had no more questions to ask him. All of the questions that was on most peoples minds where answered. Miller was given a generous amount of time to give HIS account. Frankly]and I didn't want the show to degrade into some sort of slug fest or ad hoc attacks.
Anyway, who else gave Miller air time on the net to give HIS account.

The VONBLUVENS Show IS the place to go for news and vital information such as this.

I am very proud of this interview.

LMWAO, What are "ad hoc attacks"?

Here's Webster's on "ad hoc":

Main Entry: ad hoc
Pronunciation: 'ad-'häk, -'hOk; 'äd-'hOk
Function: adverb
Etymology: Latin, for this
: for the particular end or case at hand without consideration of wider application

So, do you still stand behind your "ad hoc attacks"? Haha. Perhaps you meant some other "ad (fill in the blank)" something or other in Latin? Ad hominem, perhaps? Too funny, Mike! Tell us where you got your degree in journalism again? Was it The National Enquirer School of Journalism?

Have you been talking incessantly about your underground achievements? I never caught them if you did. That’s why I’m asking questions]

You asked what I would have done and I told you. I admitted to no military training but you brag about yours. So, why were you so ill prepared?

Fair question. I had numerous posts which detailed my 6 weeks underground, but all of them were deleted during the putsch. Hell, it took the feds 6 weeks to hunt me down. And I was on the U.S. Marshal's 15 Most Wanted List (# 2 on that list, I was told). If I'd been alone, they'd never have caught me. (In my humble opinion). I had a valid driver's license under the name Walter Johnson (who died a few days after birth), whose name and data I obtained from his Arkansas tombstone. While on the run, I took the driver's license tests in Midwest City, OK, using Walter's name, and obtained a license with his name on it, and my photo.

I was extremely security conscious the whole time. My accomplices were not. They had no intention of going thru with my underground plans, anyway. One plotted to assassinate me and take what remained of the $35,000 in cash I had in my briefcase. Another, who joined us (against my loud but over ruled objections) about a week prior to our arrests, brought the feds to us, and never spent one nite behind bars. Even though he was inside the mobile home along with the rest of us, and his fingerprints (like mine) were all over the place, including on many of the illegal weapons and explosive containers. His name was Tony Wydra. Check the Springfield News-Leader newspaper dated the date following our arrests (dated 1 May 87). He was murdered in my opinion by the feds BTW, about a year later, because he knew too much - information on the feds he'd gained while coordinating my arrest. (That's just my opinion of course. The feds ruled his death an accident).

Fair question. ....

During those 6 weeks, were you hiding out in the same trailer? How did you move such an arsenal around if you weren’t?

If you knew that a mobile home would be a death trap for a stand off, what were you doing there?

Why hang around accomplices that you knew weren’t security conscious and who were just hanging around for the money?

Did you find out about the plot to assassinate you before or after getting caught? If it was before why didn’t you knock him off first?

How did Tony Wydra weasel himself in the group without your approval, seeing that you were the leader?

The more people talk about this the more I come to this conclusion:

Order: Incompetent
Miller: Competent

The "Movement": dysfunctional
Linder: functional

WLP: genius
NA sans WLP: irrelevant

NSM and anyone associated with it: bad news, bad for Whites, regardless of intentions.

Invisible Umpire raised a good question. Considering that Commander Skip is a convicted burglar and John Snyder a prominent figure in one local NSM clique a convicted rapist, why would any of these anti- Miller people who are so worried about going to jail have anything to do with these criminals?

The more people talk about this the more I come to this conclusion:

Order: Incompetent
Miller: Competent

The "Movement": dysfunctional
Linder: functional

WLP: genius
NA sans WLP: irrelevant

NSM and anyone associated with it: bad news, bad for Whites, regardless of intentions.

Invisible Umpire raised a good question. Considering that Commander Skip is a convicted burglar and John Snyder a prominent figure in one local NSM clique a convicted rapist, why would any of these anti- Miller people who are so worried about going to jail have anything to do with these criminals?

As always, AE, you be right on all counts.

VNNF members should realize that with a fairly open forum such as Linder has provided, we are the true vanguard of so-called movement thought.

Yes, The Order had terrific intentions, but their methods eventually did them
in and thus made it that much harder for those who followed. At the risk of being trite, I will repeat a well-worn, but true witticism: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". The best we can do is learn from their mistakes and move forward, with caution, but also with certitude of ultimate victory. Remember, not so long ago, people the world over would have laughed in your face if you told them that it was posible for a man to walk the Moon. And behold, White men again did the "impossible". And I do mean White.

WLP: genius
NA sans WLP: irrelevant

Which begs the question; are vertical WN organizations necessary anymore? More and more, folk will identify themselves as VNNers or Stormfronters, etc. No monthly dues required, but donations greatly appreciated. Linder has already proven himself able to raise huge amounts of cash for deserving WNs and shamed the vertical orgs while doing so. Hey, the New Year is upon us; let's dig out that skinny wallet and help Alex. You'll feel good about yourself now that Santa has treated you so well...........

During those 6 weeks, were you hiding out in the same trailer? How did you move such an arsenal around if you weren’t?

If you knew that a mobile home would be a death trap for a stand off, what were you doing there?

Why hang around accomplices that you knew weren’t security conscious and who were just hanging around for the money?

Did you find out about the plot to assassinate you before or after getting caught? If it was before why didn’t you knock him off first?

How did Tony Wydra weasel himself in the group without your approval, seeing that you were the leader?

Naw, we moved around constantly in and out of 8 or 10 states, all tolled. The feds always attack at dawn. And no matter where you are, it's a death trap when a 40-man SWAT teams comes for 4 men, especially when 1 of the 4 brings the SWAT team to you in the first place.

Two vans hauled the "equipment".

As to your question "why hang around them", my excuse is my obsession with carrying out my underground plan. I didn't expect to survive it anyway, which is why I took out a $100,000 life insurance policy a week or so prior to going underground.

Hindsight is a wonderful prevention, though impossible to execute.

I've always answered any and all questions asked of me about all this. But there some activities I'll never divulge, for reasons that ought to be obvious.

In Mein Kampf, written 8 years before Hitler came to power and when he and his followers were trying desperately to combat both the Reds and their ZOG, Hitler wrote: "Man is mightiest alone". . . and "A bullet hisses louder than a thousand jew viper newspapers, so let them hiss."

I think I know what he meant, especially by the former.

I've always answered any and all questions asked of me about all this. But there some activities I'll never divulge, for reasons that ought to be obvious.

Yeah I tried to pry his source of weaponry out of him and he wouldn’t budge. So much for being a rat. I have tried for six months to get one single source from him and he hasn’t budged yet, and Miller likes me. That is why I find it difficult to believe he sung like a bird so easily to people he hated.

Miller only gives you partial facts. He will tell you what Beam asked him in court, but he didn't give the nature of his testimony when he actually testified for the prosecution.

Partial truth at best.