I was wondering how long it would take for Linder to start talking shit about the NSM and the Commander again.

My source is Glenn Miller.

Funny how the Order rats on Miller, then runs to him, but he's supposed to maintain loyalty years after the fact. If your friend betrays you, you don't owe him further loyalty.

Glenn Miller says he sent Schoep a little money, and received at least one letter from him. I do not have a copy of that letter. Miller said the same thing about Roper, and he sent me a copy to confirm, and sure enough, Roper was saying one thing in public, and another in private.

Are you guys really too dumb to grasp that you can't accept money from someone in private, and them blast them for being dishonorable in public?

Hey, Von, big radio man: you interview "Commander" Schoep all the time. Why don't you ask him whether:

1) he ever accepted money from Miller
2) he ever wrote Miller a letter thanking him

Inquiring minds want to know.

I was wondering how long it would take for Linder to start talking shit about the NSM and the Commander again.

Let him say what he will. If the Commander grew horns, it wouldn't change the situation with Miller. I stand by the Commander and as long as I am a member of the NSM, I stand by his actions too. All that understood, I'd rather open a letter with a check from Satan in it than shake hands with him. I don't find where this charge is all that relivant.

Linder's source is full of shit. The Commander stated on the phone he hasn't taken a nickel from traitor Miller. He did say Miller (unsolicited)sent him a tape of WPP party march and he wrote him back thanking him for the tape...THAT'S IT. There isn't an extensive coorespondence/ letter exchange going on as some here would have you believe.

As for Snyder: He isn't part of the NSM. I believe he was kicked out.

Let him say what he will. If the Commander grew horns, it wouldn't change the situation with Miller. I stand by the Commander and as long as I am a member of the NSM, I stand by his actions too. All that understood, I'd rather open a letter with a check from Satan in it than shake hands with him. I don't find where this charge is all that relivant.

It's relevant because you're talking down Miller and talking about NSM's honor. If you're taking what you must consider to be blood money, then that's dishonorable. It appears to me, based on what Miller tells me, there's at least some degree of hypocrisy on Schoep's part, if indeed he's taken money and now denounces Miller. I'll let the two of them establish facts. But Miller told me the same thing about Roper, and what he said he proved.

You see, as one of the hardest working guys in show business, so to speak, Miller has sent money and put out issues for damn near every White outfit out there. VNN gratefully acknowledges his help, because we believe him an honorable man, and beyond that an energetic and inspiring leader.

We're not hypocrites.

It's relevant because you're talking down Miller and talking about NSM's honor. If you're taking what you must consider to be blood money, then that's dishonorable. It appears to me, based on what Miller tells me, there's at least some degree of hypocrisy on Schoep's part, if indeed he's taken money and now denounces Miller. I'll let the two of them establish facts. But Miller told me the same thing about Roper, and what he said he proved.

You see, as one of the hardest working guys in show business, so to speak, Miller has sent money and put out issues for damn near every White outfit out there. VNN gratefully acknowledges his help, because we believe him an honorable man, and beyond that an energetic and inspiring leader.

We're not hypocrites.

I'll give you a tip, boss: I'm not the Commander. The Commander didn't send us here to talk about Miller. Bringing the Commander into this is just low-rent, if you ask me.

When I talk of honor and the struggle, I'm talking about everyone from the top down--which I thought included you. That includes everyone in, around or outside the NSM. You know...White Nationalism...this thing everyone keeps talking about... I was in the struggle before I joined NSM and if the NSM had never existed, this whole thing would still piss me off.

The Commander never accepted any money from Miller. You have that straight from the top. Frankly, I hate to bug him with internet BS especially from the likes of someone who defames The Order.

What is your and Cmdr Skip's position about John Snyder, known to be a convicted rapist via his inclusion on registered sex offender lists, being a member in good standing of NSM?

Or has that situation changed of late?

I think you idiots have dishonored National Socialism with your puerile antics and your association with known deviants such as this.

2 hours and still no answer except VB's vague "As for Snyder: He isn't part of the NSM. I believe he was kicked out." When did VB begin speaking for the NSM? Why don't you answer the question, Christopher Drake?

2 hours and still no answer except VB's vague "As for Snyder: He isn't part of the NSM. I believe he was kicked out." When did VB begin speaking for the NSM? Why don't you answer the question, Christopher Drake?

Assuming he was kicked out. LOL. I think they probably knew well what the score was, and yet if he offered up some lame excuse that was probably enough. Just speculating here, but that would be typical wouldnt it?

Trying to illustrate a point here, that all this moralistic grandstanding about Miller coming from people who arent very particular about the company they keep-- rings hollow.

2 hours and still no answer except VB's vague "As for Snyder: He isn't part of the NSM. I believe he was kicked out." When did VB begin speaking for the NSM? Why don't you answer the question, Christopher Drake?

Sure. He's been kicked out of the NSM. There.

Sure. He's been kicked out of the NSM. There.

Great. The next ex con you should kick out is Commander Skip. LOL

Well at least he isnt a sex offender.

Sure. He's been kicked out of the NSM. There.

I wonder when this occured?

here is what I dug up using google, from Commander Skip on this one. I reproduce this post in its entirety and I note that it is from ONE YEAR AGO almost exactly:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-104532

Commander/NSM12-30-2003, 05:42 AM
I just noticed this thread (I do not have a lot of time for message boards). I find it funny that a certain nameless NA member (c-4) from Omaha wants to spread gossip from a anti-racist site to discredit the NSM. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

If some Kosherite feels my NS rhetoric is too upsetting, go ahead and delete my post. If the NA wants to use its last remaining members to attack other Nationalists, so be it. The fight goes on.................. Jeff Schoep/ NSM/ World HQ http://www.nsm88.com (http://www.nsm88.com)

So commander Skip said:

We have the court papers on Mr. Snyder (yes, we do bother to research when such issues come up). A messy divorce from his ex-wife brought about the charge. We researched the evidence, and did not sweep anything under the rug

Where does he say Snyder was expelled? It sounds to me like he's apologizing for him. Rape conviction coming out of a divorce proceeding? That is laughable from anybody with a passing acquaintance of the system. I consider myself a critic of our divorce laws and the unfair treatment men receive from the system, but here you have someone straining credulity past its limit. Is it possible that Snyder was convicted on the strength of the evidence against him?

And no mention of the expulsion. Why not? They read the papers. What came up in the past 12 months that was not known 12 months prior?

Welcome to the Commander who is now online. Any replies? We're all ears.

White Supremacists
Neo-Nazi leader's past resurfaces on day of triumph

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=512

National Socialist Movement commander Jeff Schoep
(Jennifer Warburg)

For Jeff Schoep, uniform-clad commander of the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement (NSM), Sept. 25 was a big day — in more ways than he had anticipated.
On the Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur, Schoep's troops held a white-power rally at historic Valley Forge National Historical Park in Pennsylvania. More than 100 white supremacists, including members of the Ku Klux Klan and Aryan Nations, came to cheer the commander's attack on Jews, whom he said were plotting "the destruction of all races through the evils of race-mixing."

When the public-address system went down 10 minutes into Schoep's invective, his supporters shot out their arms and shouted "Sieg Heil!" repeatedly until the problem was repaired.

Schoep's triumph was tarnished by an embarrassing exposé that appeared that same morning in the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

Based in Minnesota, the National Socialist Movement — which claims to be the nation's largest neo-Nazi organization, though it has only about 200 members — says members should be gainfully employed and positively contributing to society.

But as reporter Jon Tevlin discovered, the 30-year-old Schoep hardly fits that description himself, with a string of petty crimes on his record, including a felony arrest in 1998 for aiding and abetting a burglary.

According to court records, Schoep — who was unemployed at the time, and apparently still is — was arrested for accompanying the mother of his daughter when she stole $4,000 worth of computer equipment. Four children were in the back seat of the car during the burglary.

Schoep, who had become NSM commander four years before the incident, pleaded guilty and got off with probation — but not before District Judge Sharon Hall took him to task for gross hypocrisy.

The NSM, she pointed out, "does not condone fathering children around the countryside and taking no financial responsibility. And it does not condone the commission of crimes. I also know that your organization believes that there are various minority groups in this country that do that on a regular basis."

Schoep told the Star Tribune his crimes were "in the past," and claimed to be "taking care of my children." In the NSM, he insisted, "We stress legality and we're against people breaking the law" — though a registered sex offender, John Snyder, leads the Indiana chapter of the NSM, which puts a special emphasis on recruiting teenagers.

I did, in fact, send money to Jeff Schoep, though as I recall it was not more than $30 all tolled. I received the following letter from him some months ago:

"Dear Mr Miller;

Racial greetings, thanks for the video and papers. Having put that many men in the streets of NC in the 1980's was certainly feat of greatness, which I admire. Your ongoing efforts of pamphletting, and continued support of Movement activists today also speaks for itself. I did read your side of the story regarding your 1987 plea bargain, and I had not been previously aware of all of the details until reading it in the vnn forum. Until recently, I never read vnn forums, as I find it to be full of anti-racists posing as WN, and causing uneeded dissention. Which of course it is. Yet there are some interesting things there, such as your post. I am in contact with certain Order members, and they view things differently, as I am sure you know. They have contributed to our struggle in their own ways, as I feel you have as well. I think zog fears you due to your organizational abilities, and I could probably learn alot from your tactics, (i.e. getting that many troops in the streets), if you are willing to share some ideas with me. Enclosed are some NSM materiels, mazagine.

"If you would like to contact me directly my office phone #320-234-9428, or cell phone #320-583-2380 weekday evenings/nights. Hail Victory! Jeff Schoep/ National Socialist Movement.

p.s. I was mentored by men who served with Commander Rockwell, men such as Allen Vincent, Cliff Herrington, Robert Brannen, and a few other guys still active with us now. Cliff has always spoke highly of your abilities, and he is the person who first showed me pictures of your marches. 88 " (End of letter)

You are just trying to obfuscate the issue. That's ok, because I get back on issue with the next show that should be up in an hour.