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Azeri Views on Persians:

Comments by Fred:

This is an interesting blog. I am NOT persian however my fiance is and I know a lot about iranian culture and the people. What I like about this blog is that you put proof and pictures on here and do not just say some comments without backing it up.

Oslonor: Not sure what you mean by mongrel blood. There is an Uzbek minority in Iran. Also Iranian generally refers to AzeriTurks. Persians refer to the native people of Iran.

This is a picture of Diane Sawyer. She is a very famous host of ABC TV network in USA. She has blond hair and blue eyes. But she is not an Aryan. She is a Nordish girl. That means she is a light hair and light skin European in

oslonor. trust me, i mean this in the kindest way, but:

this is a picture of a typical 'persian', true. but this is a localized race perhaps due to some historic migration, maybe some turanid and formed a largely aryan minority in the caucasus and persia.

be happy with who you are. if you feel wn as do i then post. you've been very patient so far but you seem to be beating yourself up.

oslonor. trust me, i mean this in the kindest way, but:

this is a picture of a typical 'persian', true. but this is a localized race perhaps due to some historic migration, maybe some turanid and formed a largely aryan minority in the caucasus and persia.

be happy with who you are. if you feel wn as do i then post. you've been very patient so far but you seem to be beating yourself up.

The views I am presenting are the views of anthropologist. Aryans are in Persia and Afghanistan. No Aryans in Caucasus. Turanids are Turks. They are not aryans. It is True , aryans are localized in certain areas in Persia in Northeast and soutwest.

"Iranian" Parade in New York

Fraud by Jews: The girl on the left is an African American wearing traditional Iranian dress. Americans in New York think that she is a native of Iran.

The views I am presenting are the views of anthropologist. Aryans are in Persia and Afghanistan. No Aryans in Caucasus.

Are Aryans concrete, meaning can you touch Aryanism, or is just a linguistics term? From what I've come across Aryan is linguistic, it is not racial. An Aryan is someone who speaks an Indo European language, there isn't an Aryan DNA or phenotype that I'm aware of, but I'm not expert on the issue.

Are Aryans concrete, meaning can you touch Aryanism, or is just a linguistics term? From what I've come across Aryan is linguistic, it is not racial. An Aryan is someone who speaks an Indo European language, there isn't an Aryan DNA or phenotype that I'm aware of, but I'm not expert on the issue.

In anthropology they do not use the term "Aryan". They call it nordic. According to Nordic classification they have scandinavians, nordic germans and afghans and Persians.

The similarities between Persian-Afghan and Nordic groups are that both of them are dolicocephalic (long and slim face) and have a rounded occupit in addition to the shape of the face.

I just want to point out that white nationalist believe in the Nordish theory where light skin and light hair western Europeans and North Europeans are classified in the same category. There is nothing wrong with that as politically it is required for the problems they are facing them in US.

However my presentation does not promote any kind of immigration or mariage or dating as some Azeri Turk Iranians were promoting. I think it is best that those Aryan Persians and Afghans stay in their own countries. I have even seen reports that some of these people who have come to west have been either murdered or forced to marry some African American as Jews do not like to see these people who look like Arayns in the west as it contradicts their theories. Jews prefer to see Iranians (AzeriTurks) in the west to be presented as the true Aryans. That is the reason they are trying to associate Persians with Arabs and Africans. My presentation actually damages the Jewish agenda on the question of Aryans.

Understood.
Thank you for bringing this aspect of jewish activity to our attention.
And so my questions at this point are:
Politically speaking, what is the influence of the azeriturk in the government and economy of Iran?
If it is now the major influence in Iran, did the major shift occur when the Shah was forced to leave Iran?
It is understood that the azeriturk influence in Iran is being promoted by the jews.
It is understood that the jews want the unaware to accept the azeriturks as "true" persians.
I would like to now develop a more concise understanding of the political ramifications of these facts you have been presenting.
There are always problems with settling on an agreeable definition of certain terms, as certain terms have been given different meanings.

Understood.
Thank you for bringing this aspect of jewish activity to our attention.
And so my questions at this point are:
Politically speaking, what is the influence of the azeriturk in the government and economy of Iran?

Quote from my blog:
Iranian Government Leaders are Azeri Turks: Practically all leaders of Iranian government are Azeri Turks. Khamnei The Supreme Leader: Azeri, Rafsanjani Former President: Uzbek, Khatami Former President: Azeri, Ahmadinejad President: Azeri etc. The only non-Azeri high ranking official was Ayatollah Khomeini. After his death his son Ahmad was murdered by agents of government and his grandson fled to Iraq. Also the non-Azeri successor to Ayatullah Khomeini, Ayatollah Montazari has been under house arrest for more than 20 years because of policy differences with the Azeri ruling gangs. Even Azeri elite clergy such as Ayatollah Shariatmadari who was opposed to Azari regime in Tehran were put under house arrest for the rest of his life.

If it is now the major influence in Iran, did the major shift occur when the Shah was forced to leave Iran?

No. It happened a long time earlier in 16 century under Saffavids Turk dyansty. This is the King of Saffavids, Shah Abbas the Great in 16 century:

It is understood that the azeriturk influence in Iran is being promoted by the jews.

Azeri Alliances: Azeris are internationaly allied with Liberal Jews in the democratic party and Afro-Americans in US. You can see Azeri and Afro-American alliance in the Los Angles based Exile Iranian entertainment industry. Gogoosh has Afro-Americans as prominent members of her orchestra when appearing in concerts in US. Also Afro-Americans appear often for a reason or no reason on Azeri sponspored TV stations in US. Also Iranian forums are flooded by African Americans advertising for dating with Iranians.Al Gore and Co. are the foreign backer of these Azeri nationalist in Iran. Al Gore was the main sponsor of Taliban in Afghanistan and they are responsible for all the crimes committed against the people of Afghanistan. The racial policies of Azeri nationalist are sponsored by Liberal Jews and they have the same policy in both Europe and US. It has led into social breakdown in Europe. The riots in France confirms this. For more information on Al Gore click here.

It is understood that the jews want the unaware to accept the azeriturks as "true" persians.

Yes. that is correct. This is my experience in the majority of forums that I have presented my views. They just laugh when I post about Persians. They say that Persians have disappeared 1000 years ago and there are no more Persians in Iran.

According to Wikepedia Persians are:
"It is one of the ironies of history that Aryan, a word nowadays referring to the blond-haired, blue-eyed physical ideal of Nazi Germany, originally referred to a people who looked vastly different."

I would like to now develop a more concise understanding of the political ramifications of these facts you have been presenting.
There are always problems with settling on an agreeable definition of certain terms, as certain terms have been given different meanings.

Those ramifications are described in the Rise of Afghan Empire. In summary Iran should be divided in two countries. One Turk another Persian. The Persian part should join Afghanistan. The turk part is free to join Turkey or the north Azerbaijan or whatever they want to do.

This actually has happened in 1722 when Afghans destroyed the Saffavids Turks and ruled Persia in 17 century.

The Rise of Afghan Empire
http://afghanempire.blogspot.com

I have a problem with the people, whether pro or con, describing "Iranians", and by that meaning an inhabitant of the Islamic Republic of Iran, as a "race", White or otherwise. Iran is a multi ethnic nation.

For instance: the largest tribe in Iran are the Persians, who are in fact of the Iranian branch of the Indo-Iranian branch of the Indo-European racial group. But they are just a slim majority of 51%. The next largest tribe are Azeris, who are Turks. A tribe not within the Indo-European racial group. The Azeri comprise nearly one out of four Iranians. Actual A-Rabs are 3% of the population of Iran. They are a Semitic tribe, not within either the Turk or Aryan family.

Since about half of the people in Iran are not Persians, it is a serious error to describe them as a single ethnic group.

A less gross error is the idea that "Iranians" are "Shiites". While it is true that about 89% of Iranians are Shiites, there is still a significant double digit minority comprising everything from Sunnis, to various Christian denominations, to Jews, and a few other different middle-eastern religions.

On the racial scale, I would have to say that actual Persians are the "whitest" of middle-easterners. But I don't think they have a place within an English speaking European-American nation.

http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ir.html

I completely agree. There is not "Iranian Race". The CIA figures overestimate Persians and underestimate Azeri Turks. The real figures are actually the opposite.

Does Kamagirl really think that the people who brought the original Indo-European language into Iran were anything but a conquering minority that was ultimately absorbed into the indigenous mass of inhabitants who already lived there? Same as India, Afghanistan, and the rest of the Middle East where White-skinned, fair, Indo-Europeans settled in small numbers. You still see many people in India, Iran and Afghanistan, as well as Turkey and amongst the Kurds who have fair features. In ancient times long before the Turks and Arabs came, the Medes and Persians were only two groups in what's now considered Iran. These two groups were not the only groups. Iran is a blend of many racial elements, and is not just cordoned off between Persians, Turks, and Arabs, but has much overlap and interchange between these groups. And each of these groups in turn is composed of a variety of racial elements. The modern day Persians are in no way shape or form Aryans] There were other languages spoken before it, and it has undoubtedly changed over time. Today's Iranians reflect the continually blending mixture of all the racial elements that over the millennia have fused into a nationality in a specific geographic area. They're different now than in the past because of this continual blending of formerly separate elements. 3,500 years ago Iran, like India, was dominated by a fair type of people of Indo-European speech who over the course of time ceased to be a distinct element in the population. You'll still see some of these people in isolated areas or in individual anomalies; often among Indian actors and actresses. In the ancient Indian religious texts you'll find references to blond haired and bearded Gods, the same thunder-wielding, Sky-ruling God of the Greeks and the Romans and the Germans: Dyeus-pater, Zeus-pater, Jupiter: Sky-father, who became Thor in Germanic mythology when the legendary Norse chief Odin was elevated to the status of God. If you look at the lingually 'Persian' segment of the Iranian population you'll find a variety of physical types and features. You will find little homogeneity anywhere in the Middle East, and all the genetic tests in the world will not convince one against the evidence of one's own eyes; the waving around of totally meaningless genetic evidence is but a crutch of faith on which to lean for those who want to believe in their 'purity.' Purity is homogeneity. Persians don't have it and haven't for a long time. You won't find any Aryan homogeneity outside of parts of Northern Europe. As for Europeans in general, well, these exclusively European blends are more to our taste; a mixture we can live with... Nordic, Alpine, Mediterranean, Dinaric... so long as we respect the internal rights of each group and nationality to its own homogeneity and purity, there is no need for any conflict between Europeans.

Nobody said all Iranians were pure. But there is a big difference between saying that and saying most Iranians are not pure. On the contrary, most Persians are pure. The genetic evidence confirms this. You might not like genetic evidence but it is the only reliable indicator available. Using the evidence of your own eyes you would probably be breeding with Jews. But the genetic evidence shows that Jews may look European but are not. Phenotype is not genotype.

The Aryans were not generally blond and blue-eyed (at least not those that gradually migrated to Iran). The ancient Indian texts describe the Aryans as light skinned with black hair. So don't get me wrong, I think they were light skinned much more so than Indians are today (after a millenia of breeding with the darker skinned indigenous peoples). If you look at friezes from the Persian Empire or Roman mosaics featuring Darius III you will see that the Persians are not depicted with pale skin. In that climate pale skin is not an asset (look at the skin cancer rate for the Anglo-Saxon people in Australia). Most Indian actors and actresses would be considered dark compared to Persians. And Indians often use makeup and skin whitening cream to make themselves look lighter. Indians are naturally brown skinned]I have plenty of people in my family with light coloured eyes and some with light coloured hair as many Persians do. Indians do not.

You are basing your thoughts on folk legends. These legends say that there was an Aryan invasion from Central Asia into Iran and India. But these legends are hardly reliable. Persians themselves (and our ancient texts) say that we came from the West (modern-day Eastern Turkey and the Caucasus) not from the East. Moreover, we do not know when we came to Iran. We could have come anywhere up to thousands of years before the common estimate of 1500BCE.

Let's not confuse Iran with India or any other country around those parts. Iran is mostly mountainous and desert. It has never had a high population density (even today it is quite sparsely populated after many advances in medicine and agricultural techniques). This compares to India where there are highly fertile plains and many rivers. The Gangetic Plain for instance. The population density in India and Pakistan was therefore most probably high enough to swamp any invaders. In Iran, however, it is possible that invaders displaced the indigenous population (who were most probably light skinned anyway).

Mr. Kamangir talks about pure Persians but posts a picture of an Azeri Turk meaning those are Persians. Also he was claiming that he persian. But in the above text, he says he looks like Persians. Suddenly his ethnicity changed. A few sentences later Mr. Kamangir is again Persian talking about when he came to Iran.

I can NOT support the statments of Kamangir. He can think how he want. The Persians in Iran are maybe 35%!
Real pure Persians are 20-25%. The most Iranians like Kamangir don`t know the real facts about Iran and the Iranian highland. They are manipulated by chauvinists who will destroy Iran. Persians are ONE tribe and not the master race which rule about all other tribes. In fact there are only in the provinz Fars Persians. The rest is a mix of Persians and other Iranians.
I remeber me how an Azeri said she is a pure Persian.
This is really a shame for Iranians, a shame for the Azeris and only good for the enemies of Iranians. Would a Saxon from Germany call his self Saxon or German? I think more German then Saxon. Do you ever seen a Saxon or a Bavarian who go for his provinz to the olympic games?
Do you ever seen a Persian who go for a country called Persian to the olympic games? The most Persians are CHAUVINISTS also you Kamangir!
I will tell you the true about the so called Persia or Iran which is the true name. In Iran are 3 big ethnics. 1) Iranians 2) Turks 3) Semits
Iranians=Kurds, Persians, Lurs, Baloches, Gilakis, Mazandaranis, Rashtis, Talyshians and ALSO Azeris(I will explain this later)
Turks=Turkmans/Turks(not AZeris!)
Semits=Arabs

The Turks and Arabs with some Gypsies are maybe 2-3% of the whole population!

The CIA datas are a LAUGH! Kurdistan/Luristan are ONE of the most settled areas in Iran. Luristan(not the provinz but the so called area Luristan) is settled by 8~10 million people. They are called Lurs and every Iranian know that they are one of the biggest tribes in Iran. The most Lurs see their self as a branch of Kurds. The same with Kurds. Kermanshah, Hamadan, Sanadaj and other towns with 1-3 million inhabitants(Kermanshah will be in the future one of the biggest town in Iran!!!) is only settled by Kurds/Lurs!
If you want to know it correct Iran has a population of 30% Kurd/Lurs.
The whole north where the so called Gilakis/Mazandaranis live are also 8~10 million strong. They are in reality Kurds or Medians. Many Iranians become angry when I say this but that are facts. Why have they a kurdish tribe names? Why they are explained from the Arabs as Kurds? Why there are many towns where the people say today they are Kurds?
This is the reality. The same with Azeris. They lost their Kurdish language.
We found documents in a not known Kurdish dialect from Azerbaijan for the Turkish invasion! Today in Azerbaijan live Talyshians and Kurds.
Both say they are Medians. The same with Baluchtes. They speak a more like Kurdish language then like Persian. Baluch came from Parashi(Persian) which mean battle axe warrior but this mean not that they are Persians, because the early Medians called their self also Parashis and they were defently not Persians!

All in all Iran is 60-70% of Median origin and 30-40% of Persian origin.
The other tribes like Parthians, Scythians, Saramatians, Bactrians and so on are also the ancestors of the actuall tribes. But when we only go from cultural side in Iran are 60-70% genetical/cultural direct ancestor from Medians.

Iran is Iran and not Persia.

Btw I am a Kurd a proud on it, I don`t want be a Persian, I am an Iranian yes but why should I deny my identity? It is a shame that I am a Median, that we Medians ruled Iran many times?

Sepas

Shapur makes some correct points and some incorrect points.

Azeris claims they are pure Persians: True. Azeris always make these claims. It is a false claim.

The CIA data is a Laugh: True

Azeris lost their Kurdish language: False. Azeris never spoke Kurdish. They speak an Ural-Altaic language.

Persians %35 of Iran. No. Persians are 20-%30 of Iran.