Can't come up with a good answer can you, JP?

Question: Why does a jew always answer a question with another question?

JP: "Why not?"

Gee then where did all that damage come from? And why did the reporter say they were "fearing this would happen for hours"? And why did they pull everyone back to a safe distance away from the building?

Originally Posted by MOMUS
JP, you need to explain your post 9-11 physics for us. Look at any map of the WTC and you'll notice a large building between the towers and #7. It didn't colllapse from the result of falling debris. How did the debris manage to avoid destroying that building, fly over it and knock #7 down?

Can't come up with a good answer can you, JP?

Question: Why does a jew always answer a question with another question?

JP: "Why not?"

Originally Posted by MOMUS

Another ad hominem. Typical. Once again you pretend to want an answer, then when it is provided(and I've already posted most of the same testimonies that appear about a page or two back from here), then you will declare it "laughable", ignore it, ask a different question, or say something stupid like, "If the fire chief saw a massive hole in the building, WHAT CAUSED THE HOLE?" You're on ignore again, because it has been clear for months that you never intended to "debate" any of this.

Hey morons!! BAN ME!!!

 

As I am going to be relocating this will be my last post for a while.

Oh God in heaven, we thank thee for which we are about to receive!!!

I suspect that Controlled Demolition, Inc did the Twin Tower job.

On 9/13/01, only two days after the towers went down, Mark Loizeaux, President of CDI arrived at the site with clean-up plans! Wow! Only 2 days to draft an 875 page clean-up proposal that he was awarded! Where use Mark just prior to 9/11/01 is the question of the year? Can anyone verify his whereabouts? Why wasn’t his name mentioned in any of the news reports or subsequent investigative news reports or congressional hearings?

Mark Loizeaux is a demolition expert, and his company, Controlled Demolition Inc. in Phoenix, Md., has taken down more than 7,000 structures around the world by imploding them with explosive charges.
http://www.washingtontechnology.com/news/17_18/last-byte/19660-1.html

Google “loizeaux demolition” and scan the links. Get a load of some of Marks comments!

JP, before you go (if you read this), and before I go read the official report, can you summarize it for us in the sense that does it truly give a credible REASON for the cause of WTC 7 coming down as depicted in the videos?
It has been reported that they do not do so, but leave it as a mystery. If you have read it, did you come away convinced that the authorities fully investigated, and came to a credible conclusion, as to the root cause? If so, then I want to read it, and you can give us a heads up - what was the cause? How convincing is it? If they really didn't come forth with a final conclusion, then, reading it is still a worhtwhile effort, but, not so important as it would be had they DONE THEIR JOB as only they could have done.
As to your ideas about aryan goals, I share those, but, I cannot escape from a lifetime of harsh reality about what appears to be a fundamental aversion white americans have to racial notions. I do not understand it, but, I grew up myself with such an aversion, so, I know it is there and it is almost pointless to use argument or persuasion against that mindset. In my youth I was immune and averse to racially prejudiced philosophies, and most of my loved ones are still thay way. I was thinking that, at least, should the general public (white public, I mean) come to suspect that WTC 7 was a controlled demolition, then, at least, some of the immense influence of international jewry could be diminished, so that maybe some of those outstanding and successful whites who have privately held racial prejudices could come out publicly and a new white elite could emerge. Maybe this is wishful thinking, but, it seemed like the WTC 7 collapsed might be something even joesixpack could grab hold off. As far insults, I really don't see how that helps - even with jewish infiltrators, insults just confuse things. If someone is a jewish infiltrator here, it will show soon enough, and for me, I will just ignore infiltrators. contumacyman

Oh God in heaven, we thank thee for which we are about to receive!!!

LOL :cheers:

Cui bono? Let's just suppose:
Since Mossad has used Arab assets in the past it should be no surprise that Arab assets were involved in the 9-11 kosher act of terrorism against America. The patsies, the dupes, were as much victims as the American people. That is why the Mossad was filming the event as it happened, they were the architects.

on this forum. Posters who support the "official" version of the holohoax know better then to even express that view here as they will surely be banished to OPPS. Shouldn't supporters of ZOG's "official" 911 story be subject to the same policy???

You are wrong. If we had a person presenting themselves as White, on our side, who was Jew-wise and actually believed the Holocaust story, that would not be opposition.

There's no question large numbers of Jews were deported and exploited as slave labor and that huge numbers died. No doubt there were a few sadistic guards and so forth who vented their spleen on the slaves. The numbers, the hows and whys, the appartus if any, all of that is a matter for historical debate.

So too 9-11. I can take the government's version and still make my case against Jewry. That I would run around wasting my time trying to convince people of other scenarios is not something I have to do. I am amazed at how vigorous the debates on this topic have been at this website and it seems silly to me that you all kept on heckling JP Slov and calling him a Jew for being a skeptic of some of the alternative explanations. That's herd mentality and we are trying to fight that here not replicate it.

You are wrong. If we had a person presenting themselves as White, on our side, who was Jew-wise and actually believed the Holocaust story, that would not be opposition.

There's no question large numbers of Jews were deported and exploited as slave labor and that huge numbers died. No doubt there were a few sadistic guards and so forth who vented their spleen on the slaves. The numbers, the hows and whys, the appartus if any, all of that is a matter for historical debate.

I've never seen anyone defend the "official" holohoax here. What you said about it is not the "official" holohoax.
As for JP and his two cohorts, calling their tactics "debate" is a stretch. That is the problem with them. Calling people who don't agree with the "official" 911 story, conspiracy nuts, cranks and kooks is not debate, they started the vitriol before the debate ever began, at least with me-using basic anti tactics of shutting down debate-exactly what you get when a WN calls a radio show or appears on TV.

From evilisgood:

on this forum. Posters who support the "official" version of the holohoax know better then to even express that view here as they will surely be banished to OPPS. Shouldn't supporters of ZOG's "official" 911 story be subject to the same policy???

Quote from another thread:

"Opinions are like arseholes so the saying goes, every forum eventually ends up smelling like a latrine or open sewer. If you hang around long enough you get use to the smell, until someone drops a real stinker. Slevy squeezes out some of the most malodorous turds I have ever had the displeasure to come across.

Still, Linder said the other day that by definition anything with jewish involvement cannot be pro-white, which is a big advance for him considering I've been banned twice for giving vent to the same premise.

I also read someone talking about the good ole days on this board, but like I said, all forums are stinkers. I prefered the ole days when there was no forum, but all the shit got channeled through the letters. You had one shot a day to say your piece, and you could quickly jump over any great ooze of filth with a few down strokes. But now the diarrhetic bombardment of the Slevvys requires the reflexes of an acrobat, and one slip and you find yourself covered in their disgusting shit."

It does appear that forums follow some sort of natural degradation but I believe that it can be addressed. It is a good thing to have open discussion but and it is also a good thing to have an OPPOSITION section which should be the ONLY place on this VNN forum that certain topics be debated.

As it is right now, most of these topics, such as the promotion and/or the defense of homosexuality, race-mixing and the "official" version of the holocaust are indeed confined to OPPS. I strongly believe that there is one more that needs to be added: the promotion and/or defense of the "official" version of 911 and, as what I and others have observed, the suppression and stifling of any debate of a version that differs from the "official" 911 story by certain likely disinfo agents here who evidently have found a loophole in the forum rules to carry out their nefarious deeds.

As I said, a forum open to debate among true WNs is essential but certain issues need not be debated in the main forum. Mr Linder, do the right thing!!! Give your moderators the order to find and banish these 5th columnists working to destroy us.
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From 999:

I agree. Note how the mental jews that want to force the holocaust/911 religion upon us never argue but only (try to) discredit. They should be welcome to do that in the opposition forum only.

From Bernie:

Well said!

On a similar thread I did a quick calculation based on one contributor who had eight posts on page 25 on the thread. By that time there were just under 500 posts in total. This fellow had made 200 of them! He has two companions who appear to work in shifts.

Between them, I estimated that they had contibuted 400 of the 500 posts!

GET RID OF THEM!

Right on target!!!:box:

Uh oh...can you smell it coming?
Here we go again...
H.D. writes:

Huh? JP in particular has debated and argued til he's blue in the face. Or blue in the fingers rather. You tell me how arguing about something becomes "discrediting", as if that's necessarily bad. But I guess that's the pretext in your weak little banishment strategy.

If you want us banished (silenced) then that just underscores your insecurity.

Very stinky...

Next 999 writes:

JP never debated. Calling everybody who doubts ZOG a fucktard is not debating.

The "debating" tactics of the holohoax religionists are the same as those of the 911 religionists.

Sounds reasonable enough...

Wait for it...

H.D. responds:

Oh come on! You know damn well that's not an accurate description!

Do you feel confident to explain what this entails? That's a false and fishy comeback. Substantiate your statements.

Nothing new here I see...

From evilisgood:

This from a kike who states that WTC 7 fell straight down but has ignored, for the last two months, calls to explain how that could have occurred. Very funny!

And of course H.D. responds with:

I haven't ignored shit for the "last two months". When I discussed this on the forum it's too bad that you weren't paying attention.

Gee, that's an original use of projection...

evilisgood tries again:

More disinfo tactics? Evasion? Lies? Kike?
Why don't you reiterate for those who missed it?

H.D. deftly ignores this request and hands off to his fellow zog911ist, J.P Slovjanski, without missing a beat. Not surprisingly, the first words of his first post on the thread are certainly nothing new here either...However they are just as odiously odifferous as always:

Use the search function, and you will see that I did debate, plenty of times, often having to debunk the same specific claim several times. Many of these specific claims of the various theories actually contradict one another, but you'll NEVER see the conspiracy nuts battle it out over whose conspiracy is the "correct" one. That should tell you something right there.

Yes, yes it does J.P.. It tells us a GREAT DEAL... about you...

If anyone SERIOUSLY wants to debate with me what happened on 9-11, all they need to do is:

1. Explain their whole theory in detail, so that they cannot come back later and accuse me of the strawman tactic.

2. Acknowledge when a question is answered rather than declaring it "laughable" and ignoring it. If something isn't fully explained, I'm more than happy to admit that- so long as the other person acknowledges that in scienfic examination, not fully explaining something or not having an answer to some specific does not automatically disprove the whole theory, nor does it provide proof of an alternative theory. In turn I will extend that same courtesy to them where it applies.

3. Their theory MUST be falsifiable. That means if some piece of evidence is missing they can't just claim it was covered up by the conspiracy, or if something someone says contradicts the claim they can't claim that the person is being intimidated by force unless they can provide proof of that. Of course I'll have no problem with such claims so long as the claimant admits using this speculation in place of evidence.

4. If someone supporting a conspiracy theory comes in an argues something that contradicts the opponent's theory on any specifics, they must argue their theory against the other theory as well.

5. If a simple detail in part of a claim turns out to be incorrect, don't keep stating it again and again.

In short- act intelligent rather than beeing a foaming-at-the-mouth idiot.

It would seem that the same standard is asked of you J.P. Many times over in fact, and yet, you ignore your own rules when "enlightening" us...
Guess the ole double standard and selective memory is to blame for that slight oversight eh?

evilisgood responds:

Are these antis permitted to call skeptics of ZOGs "official" 911 story "conspiracy nuts" and "conspiracy cranks"? If not please extend the warning to them about flaming as well. Thank you.

Again, reasonble enough. However completely ignored by mods...

True to form, J.P. continues with a batant disregard for his own "Debating" rules:

Read your own quote, you fucking moron.

You talk pretty tough online. They all do.

Very nice... You stunk the whole room up with that one J.P..

H.D. quickly returns from the potty to chime in with his 2 cents,:

Nobody here is an anti.

I found that to be really funny.
Thanks H.D. your comic relief is priceless Your mind farts are loud and embarrassing, and they are VERY stinky...
H.D. Is further unable to control himself:

Although JP gave an excellent answer about WTC 7, this has been gone over many, many times prior; it's been answered time and again. Those of us who have stopped answering the questions for the most part, have done so because the debate essentially is over.

Funny, but I'm willing to wager that most folks here would not agree that the debate is over just because you think that you won it. That simply shows how really ignorant you are of the debate process .

J.P. provides an easy out:

If they don't want me in their 9-11 threads, all they have to do is ask. But when people deliberately ask me to answer questions on the subject, try to pick fights, or make personal attacks on me, I'm going to be there. It's just that simple.

Please leave J.P. and take H.D with you?
What's the bet I'm ignored completely here?

Scrolling down, we find more blatant J.P. brand hypocrissy:

No, we never stop discussion on anything. If you guys would stick to facts rather than personal attacks you wouldn't have the hostility return to you.

Next is this gem:

None of the hijackers were found alive.

Says who J.P.? You??? Where's your proof?

I'll let these ones speak for themselves, except to ask: what does any of the following have to do with and, more importantly, why is it even allowed on this thread???

What proof do you have that you are White, and that you have ever been or are currently a WN?

And don't even start talking about Hitler. You probably never read Mein Kampf. Just because you can make a reference to a few lines isn't going to impress me. I knew people who quoted Main Kampf all the time and never read the book(they had selected quotes).

Oh wow, another person ON THE INTERNET verified your credentials. Sure fake, whatever. Keep calling people Jews on the internet- you sound REAL tough.

Awww.. big tough "Cthulu"(might NOT be his real name!!) couldn't handle the heat.

Get rid of these turds and let's have a better discussion here.
We need a breath of fresh air...
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Cui bono? Let's just suppose:
Since Mossad has used Arab assets in the past it should be no surprise that Arab assets were involved in the 9-11 kosher act of terrorism against America. The patsies, the dupes, were as much victims as the American people. That is why the Mossad was filming the event as it happened, they were the architects.

That's my take on 911 as well] http://www.antiwar.com/israeli-files.php [/url].

Compared with that, why should I waste my time worrying about whether people believe the WTC buildings came down naturally due to the airplane impact and fires, or due to demolition charges? In the greater scheme of things, it doesn't matter. It doesn't even matter who flew the planes. What matters is who was pulling the strings, who was facilitating and coordinating 911 and allowing it to happen.

The fact that Israeli spies were filming the attacks as they happened proves their foreknowledge, which is all anyone really needs to know. And these are facts that the MSM doesn't deny; it merely ignores them. The MSM loves the conspiracy theories; the crazier, the better. Want to know what they are really afraid of? Pay attention to the stories they try to kill with silence.

http://home.ddc.net/ygg/rj/rj-32.htm

But by way of introduction, I must discuss the three basic strategies of the inner party for coping with exposure.

If the facts underlying the exposure are wrong, the media will quickly carry stories from the university professor contingent of the inner party and demonstrate that the facts are false.

If the facts underlying the exposure are true, then the inner party will use its anti-defamation forces to demonize the one doing the exposing. The argumentum ad hominem is the most important visible tool in the inner party's defensive arsenal.

However, the most damaging forms of exposure typically are those that would threaten the cooperation of the elites of the outer party and thus endanger inner party' control over these elites. The inner party has a strategy for handling such exposures. They are ignored. I call it the "blackout" strategy.

Thus, the most interesting and important facts about the inner party are those which are unmentioned and ignored. Truly dangerous critics of the inner party are routinely subjected to the blackout. Gore Vidal slipped down the memory hole a long time ago.

And indeed, the most important intellectual quality that we can develop - the most important for the long run survival of our people - is to detect a "blackout " and pursue its mysteries until the underlying riddle is understood.

And the "holy grail" - the mother or all inner party blackouts - is the utter void of information or meaningful commentary about the process by which the members of the inner party were maneuvered out of the top ranks of the Soviet Hierarchy from 1928 through about 1940.

How could the inner party, who's members occupied 90% of the top positions in the Soviet Union in 1924, including virtually all the top positions in the secret police, concentration camp system and intelligence agencies ever be displaced by Stalin and his badly outnumbered allies?

Enquiring minds want to know.

Instead of demanding that we be told the truth about what the FBI learned about the Israeli spy rings they arrested and deported after 911, we have the "911 truth community" arguing about demolitions and robot planes and holograms. Way to really keep your "eyes on the ball", guys!

From grep14w:

Instead of demanding that we be told the truth about what the FBI learned about the Israeli spy rings they arrested and deported after 911, we have the "911 truth community" arguing about demolitions and robot planes and holograms. Way to really keep your "eyes on the ball", guys!

Perhaps J.P. Slovjanski and crew might fall within the ranks of the "911 truth community". I don't know, and I really don't care. The point of this thread, is that most people here have a theory concerning who is responsible for this crime, and considering that most of the physical evidence of this crime was quickly destroyed, we therefore, have little other option open to us in arriving at the bottom of this mess, than that of the open debate. This means debate about "theory" based on what little physical evidence there is at hand, and the credibility of the sources of this evidence. In regards to theories, everyone has their own, and has a right to have it. That should be considered first and foremost.
This impulsive compuction to attack, ridicule and insult a person or a theory with one's own theory, and point of view, and the try to project the same types of behavior onto those being attacked, is a dispicable course of action at best, and should these types of miscreants be taken seriously, it is downright destructive to coherent exchange. The question of this thread is what is important.:
What to do with flamers?

88
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"Never doubt that a small group of dedcated men can change things,
for indeed, it's the only thing that ever has"
THINK!!!
ACHTUNG JUDEN!!!

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http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/
http://www.honestmediatoday.com/products.htm

From grep14w:

Perhaps J.P. Slovjanski and crew might fall within the ranks of the "911 truth community". I don't know, and I realy don't care. The point of this thread, is that most people here have a theory concerning who is responsible for this crime, and considering that most of the physical evidence of this crime was quickly destroyed, we therefore, have little other option open to us in arriving at the bottom of this mess, than that of the open debate. This means debate about "theory" based on what little physical evidence there is at hand, and the credibility of the sources of this evidence. In regards to theories, everyone has their own, and has a right to have it. That should be considered first and foremost.
This impulsive compuction to attack, ridicule and insult a person or a theory with one's own theory, and point of view, and the try to project the same types of behavior onto those being attacked, is a dispicable course of action at best, and should these types of miscreants be taken seriously, it is downright destructive to coherent exchange. The question of this thread is what is important.:
What to do with flamers?

88
___________________________________________________
"Never doubt that a small group of dedcated men can change things,
for indeed, it's the only thing that ever has"
THINK!!!
ACHTUNG JUDEN!!!

http://question911.com/links.php
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/
http://www.honestmediatoday.com/products.htm

Miscreants? How about you go fuck yourself, comic book boy? Your pathetic "theories" have been refuted with facts a long time ago. Why should I keep engaging an imbecile, like you, over the same bullshit in perpetuity?

Get a fucking life.

That's my take on 911 as well] http://www.antiwar.com/israeli-files.php [/url].

Compared with that, why should I waste my time worrying about whether people believe the WTC buildings came down naturally due to the airplane impact and fires, or due to demolition charges? In the greater scheme of things, it doesn't matter. It doesn't even matter who flew the planes. What matters is who was pulling the strings, who was facilitating and coordinating 911 and allowing it to happen.

The fact that Israeli spies were filming the attacks as they happened proves their foreknowledge, which is all anyone really needs to know. And these are facts that the MSM doesn't deny; it merely ignores them. The MSM loves the conspiracy theories; the crazier, the better. Want to know what they are really afraid of? Pay attention to the stories they try to kill with silence.

Instead of demanding that we be told the truth about what the FBI learned about the Israeli spy rings they arrested and deported after 911, we have the "911 truth community" arguing about demolitions and robot planes and holograms. Way to really keep your "eyes on the ball", guys!

The "911 Truth Community" as I see it, intentionally or not, is doing damage control, distraction, distortion for the culprits. An example of a conscious disinformationalist is Rappaport.
The reason the BYU Professor got such widespread publicity as did Morgan Reynolds is precisely as diversion. Let's get the Americans who actually have a more or less open mind drowning in minutiae and one has effectively derailed the inquiry into who was behind 9-11.

Smoking guns are off the radar, you will never hear, e.g. on Coast to Coast AM, with either George Noory or Art Bell, anything about the Mossad agents, admitted Mossad agents per ABC's 20/20 filming in Liberty Park or about Nick Berg and Zacarias Moussaoui, that Nick Berg purchased the 9/11 airline ticket using a computer at the University of Oklahoma library.
So it is the IP who drives endless recycling and focus on such things as "internal explosive charges" etc ad infinitum ad nauseum.

Yggdrasil was on to more than even he suspected.

Yggdrasil was on to more than even he suspected.

I recall reading Ygg's commentary immediately after 911. The man is a genius I don't think there is a more perceptive observer of the true nature of the 'inner party' than him. Pity he writes so little these days.