I blame Hitler Goddess.

mark_in_cali,

I had a similar experience on SF. I was banned from Stormfront after about three days because a page on my website describes me as an "octaroon". I am Anglo-Celtic - it was a numerological reference to 14/88, and I explained this to them. The mods deleted a few of my posts, including one long one I did on amateur video editing (which really pissed me off, because it took me about half an hour). Of course, nothing I said could possibly change their opinion. It's extremely frustrating for newcomers and self-defeating for the movement. Fortunately, the VNN forum seems to be a lot more welcoming.

I definitely agree with you, but until everyone, be it SF, VNN, Hal Turner, NSM etc etc can actually get along we're basically a bunch of people with out any single purpose that are just pissed off about jewa, muds and blacks.

And this is exactly what our jewish oppressors wants. I might be new, but I've been educated, and if it means I have to become a figure, that's what I'll do it. But I am not going to sit here and talk about what a fuck head this guy is and that guy is....

I can fill you in Mark, after all, I am in VNN letters #1!

I know you've only been listening to Halvin Turnerstein for just a short while, but some of us remember when he popped up on the scene. He was broadcasting on a Jew owned shortwave radio station. Eventually, he was booted off and went exclusively Internet with his broadcasting.

Hal disrespects his listenership by treating us all like Militia type blight wingers. I'm surprised he's not selling herbs and special potions on his show. At various times he's claimed that Chinese were massing at the border of Mexico, That there was going to be a military coup in this country, that this or that is happening. One way to check is, if he only has a link to a write up on his page, it's not true. He once went on a raging monologue about how his audience was cheap shit. He's faked his death multiple times in order to raise money. You get my drift about him?

The thing with Linder and the rest of the world is that it's his way or the highway. It started off with Strom's wife having a hard-on about all the profanity and nudity on the site and having VNN's link removed from natvan.com. I think Strom tried somewhat to work with Linder but bless his stubborn heart, the dude from Missouri just ain't like that. After he got with Bill White and tried a coup (that just might have succeeded if not for the incompetence of some NA board members), the deal was sealed as far as a blood feud between Strom and Linder.

Bill blight, otherwise know as Bill White, was paid big bucks for a piece of shit website redesign of VNN, and then he tried to take over the site after he had given out everyone's Credit Card info with "Shop White", an online shopping site that was supposed to generate revenue for VNN. Then he went to the FBI with name of one of the hardest working people ever in this "movement", Victor Wolzek. He's mentally unstable, basically.

So there you have it. There is no "movement" so to speak. It's only 100, 200 people in the United States and Canada that can't seem to get on the same page. It would be nice to get all the various factions together and working toward one goal, but it's not going to happen. So take your pick or pick multiple orgs to work with or support , 'cause, well, that's all you have to work with

Don't get discouraged. It will jel. One day.

I blame Hitler Goddess.

Wise words. I am to blame for much negativity :box:

I really try not to even pay attention to this crap most of the time. It seems to be mostly ego driven.

I don't what happened with VNN and SF or Hal Turner. Everytime I post a thread asking about what the deal is, either here or on SF it gets deleted. And when I PM a mod they give me a bull crap answer.

So in my mind, being a new guy, this whole movement is bullshit because no one gets along.

I listen to Alex and the guys and its really opened my mind, I listened to Hal on a weekly basis and its been nothing but positive. It gets my thought going, getting me pumped and guess what I found after I'm all pumped up, everyone in the WN movement talks shit about each other. I really don't know shit about anybody, Bill White's name comes up alot, I heard him speak on Hal's show during the riot in Toledo, and that's about it. Then I see posts were people talk shit about him.

New people are going to be looking into the WN moving in droves and all you guys do is act like a monkey screwing a football. And I'm not talking about VNN in particular, but as a whole this is what you guys do, that guy is a liar, that guy is geek, that guy is full of crap, blah blah blah.

Here's a suggestion, either put your disputs aside or hang it up....

Mark, you are absolutely right. It is most difficult for a new member of our movement to get a grasp on things these days. Who to follow, who to avoid, it seems there are 6 different answers to each question. There is alot of dissension in the ranks and all this bickering might seem normal to us, but a giant turn-off to the most important people of all, NEW members like yourself.

Please don't get discouraged. The "movement" consists of human beings, and we all have our failings. The ONE thing that should unite us is love for our race. There is no perfect solution or organization. It's likely there never will be. You want to be around people who care as much as you do, who see the peril that white people face these days. They are here, at VNN and many other places. You must block out the negativism and embrace those who are clearly working towards solutions. If, like so many others, you see no current organization that fits the bill, then continue to educate yourself, develop ideas and strategies, and be ready to commit yourself 100% when such an organization comes along. Just NEVER give up!! :cheers:

SARAH I LOVE YOU, AND THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART..

Now someone should make a sticky, "To New Members" or something like that, because faster than you can say boo, they'll run into it all the bullshit that I mentioned..

Now in my honest opinion, what Hal is doing is a good thing, it's getting the message out, and that needs to be done. As far as the history goes, at some point all the shit has got to dissipaite because NEW people like myself are going to become confused and say the same thing I'm saying right now.

BTW I know I'm a HORRIBLE writer, I'm more analitical. So based on what you said Sarah here's my take.

Hal - He's been a bull shit artist and gave his audience shit for being cheap and not giving him money. I think has good intentions, and tonight asked for forgiveness and we'll see what happens.

Bill White - Is someone that actually has made money by fcking people by the whole website deal, and outting a WN member and is basically mentally unstable. I don't know about Bill, but I heard him during the Toledo bullshit and didn't sound like a crazy to me. So I don't know if he's unstable or not.

Alex Linder - My way or the highway, and then alot of crap with Stroms wife and a bunch of other drama. I've listened to almost maybe 4 hours of goyfire and Alex is very passionate, and educated, but his message doesn't give me a directive.

Then you said there's 100 - 200 people in the U.S. and Canada that can't seem to get along. WHY, is the question I have. At this point, today, November 3, at 12:09 in the morning there is NOTHING that WN's are doing to getting any groups aligned together.

Alright I'll shut up for tonight. Amazon.com told me that my DD books will be shipped on 11/23. So I'll spend more time educating myself and deciding what the hell I should....

Mark,

Just listen to Goyfire and read the latest TAA and you'll be just fine. At least you'll know what VNN is about.

http://www.thearyanalternative.com
http://www.goyfire.com

RE: mark_in_cali

So in my mind, being a new guy, this whole movement is bullshit because no one gets along

There are plenty of us who get along. But the jews don't want you to know that. This is an uncensored forum and it's chock full of jews who's sole purpose for being in here is to make you think what you've written in the quote above.

Hang around and you'll be able to figure it out after a while. Most of those who criticize any White man for anything should raise a red flag.

This forum is suppose to be about advancing White freedom. Freedom from the yoke of the jew. What does bashing and trashing fellow Whites have to do with advancing our cause? Nothing of course. Does a jew want you talking about escaping the strangle-hold of the jew? No, the jew would prefer to make this forum into a soap-opera full of queer little drama queens because that is exactly what the jew is....a filthy feminine-like subhuman. (no offense intended to my White sisters for that remark)

You see, if you went onto an anti's forum to purposely cause problems and to be a troll, you would probably take on the persona of an angry male. On the other hand, the jew comes in here and he takes on the persona of a little bitch queen or sometimes an over-the-top Nazi. It's a psychological Freudian slip that reveals the true nature of the jew. He gives himself away every time.

The smarter jews who will read this will realize that I’m right. And they will think that they can counter by altering their fake persona. But the hapless kike will always be one move behind the Aryan because they lack creative aptitude.

It is a fact that the jew has been using the same tired old tricks for centuries. Because they’ve worked up until now. The jew held the high ground because he controlled the dissemination of information by his iron grip on the media. The internet has changed all that and the jew can’t adapt. All he can do is come on these forums and try his hardest to disrupt. But he is failing. Failing miserably. He hears the footsteps coming up from behind and he grows ever more frantic. He remembers what happened last time Whites became racially aware and he is scared shitless.

RE: mark_in_cali

He hears the footsteps coming up from behind and he grows ever more frantic. He remembers what happened last time Whites became racially aware and he is scared shitless.

But who's creating those foot steps? I'm sitting on my pissed off ass with no direction. I know I sound like an asshole, but that's how I feel.

And basically everyone that I respect argues with each other... Hell, how tall was Hitler? I might be able to fill his shoes if need be...

But who's creating those foot steps? I'm sitting on my pissed off ass with no direction. I know I sound like an asshole, but that's how I feel.

And basically everyone that I respect argues with each other... Hell, how tall was Hitler? I might be able to fill his shoes if need be...

Here is my personal take on this:

I am relatively new to the WN "movement", just as yourself. So take what I say with a grain of salt, and recognise that I'm not trying to come off as an old hand or someone "in the know". Just sharing my opinion, which is that at this point in time, the WN movement lacks sufficient mass to attain any momentum. It doesn't matter if 100-200 people are all pushing in the same direction, they are still only 100-200 people, and there is no way they can shout down the entire mass-media establishment even if they all shout in unison. I believe that WNs should act in a cellular fashion for the time being, with each person putting out the WN message to the best of their ability, and networking and helping out those with like mind whereever possible.

In order to practically achieve this goal, I have started by own website, which aims to promote WN ideas by featuring "whimsical" gimmicks that will attract web traffic in the form of casual web-surfers (not political animals), and then exposing them to the WN message. It's been up for about a month and so far I've had about a 1000 hits, although I have been focusing on producing content for it, not publicising it. My goal is to double my traffic each month for a year. This may be unrealistic, but I say aim high and as your gun drops you might just hit your target. I also try and help out other WNs by posting on forums and offering content for their publications. You can do this too: it's as easy as starting up a blog on blogger.com or writing articles for an existing forum. Keep in contact with each other and crosslink: that's what leftists and neocons do, so if someone lands on one of their sites through a search engine or whatever they can hop from one link to another and become exposed in depth to the different voices within the movement. If enough people do this it will have a snowballing effect drawing more and more fence-sitters into the fold, and THEN we can start formalising policy statements and electing leaders etc.

P.S. I am a WN from New Zealand, but I believe these ideas are just as applicable to the USA, and I think Whites are confronting the same issues the world over.

*****Keep this entire thread for instructional reference. Just like you said. Works every time! Thx Fred.

RE-J23

Mark,

That's what I would recommend. And I don't mean beer guzzling party animal skinheads. I mean serious WN's, often with families, who understand this is about working towards building a movement on a local level.

I have come to the conclusion to use the "secret society" approach rather than a public, "please come join us" approach.

No hierarchy - not like masonry, just a social network for the purpose of helping one another find jobs, obtain skills, and give our children other children to hang out with. My house is a haven for divorced WN dads when they have weekend visitation with their kids, for example.

It's not easy initially to find people in your area. I have about a dozen people in my social network, but the closest one is about 80 miles away.

Our activities include learning computer skills, gardening, beer brewing, and whatever project needs doing around my house. We have a good time, and it's very real.

Also, I think the shit is going to hit the fan. PM me if you want to talk about preparations for Depression II Peak oil etc. see http://www.urbansurvival.com and http://www.peakoil.com for the "doomer" perspective.

Rob

Mark:

In a way, you could think of it like this: we're all part of one big white family. Now, I don't know about your family, but most that I know of have their own little factions and squabbles. There will always be cliques and outgroups. It's just the way people are.

As for trash talking on the internet, well, take it with a box of salt. Lots of people have a tendency to run their mouths on the net more than they would offline. And, as Brutus pointed out, quite a few of those trash talkers end up being jews anyway. I see the squabbles between forums as about the same as squabbles between organizations (even though a forum is not an organization). The reason your posts about VNN are deleted is that the head cheeses at SF don't like Alex Linder, and they don't like the fact that he allows his forum members to use profanity (although profanity is forbidden in the Civil Forum). SF is geared more towards educating newbies, while VNN is more focused on activism. This is not a bad thing. SF is a great place for most newbies. A lot of VNN members were originally on SF. Also, although a lot of the members on SF will agree that feminism is a bad thing, they are rather lenient about it, which is why you will find a lot more women on SF than on VNN. Most newbie women aren't yet ready or able to let go of the feminist doctrine that the jews have been spewing at them since they were born. Many men on VNN are (rightfully) angry about the way white men are fucked over today, in the workplace and in divorce courts, and do not hesitate to say what they think of modern women. This tends to turn newbie women off, because they take it personally, even though they shouldn't.

The bottom line is that you should find the organization that is best for you, or start your own. Have you seen VNN's tabloid, The Aryan Alternative? If you're pumped up and ready to do some sort of activism, but haven't found any organization yet, why not order some tabloids and distribute them? They're certainly getting a lot of media coverage lately, and I'm willing to bet that there are some people out there watching the news who would like a copy, but don't have the guts to actually order one. Maybe you could be the one to deliver?