Superficially one might suspect that Greek sentimentality for Europe as a cultural-racial entity with a certain common appreciation for ancient Greek culture might be at the root of popular support for the EU. Also, the proximity to the unquestionably non-European Turks may enhance the Greek sense of wanting to align with closer nationalities against Carl Scmitt's "Other...."

More likely it's because Greece is a poor country that hopes to benefit from association with richer countries. EU membership will make it easier for Greeks to seek employment in any other EU country. They probably aren't losing anything by adopting the Euro either, unlike the northern countries that had strong national currencies.

What relavence does Pan-Slavism pose for our goals, aside from winning back lost territory?

Yes, Greece gets lots of money. It is the poorest, or perhaps second poorest of West European countries. One wonders why the pro-EU propaganda of the referendums in the 90s never mentioned that the main duty of the Union would be to take as much money as possible from the member countries, put it in a sack, then pour it over a table and say "GO!" whereupon the member states all get to grab as much money as they can. Then they go home and show their loot to their people, and those governments that got more than they put in the sack are rewarded with a percentage point or two in the polls, whereas those who are net givers are punished with a few percentage points less.

The vast majority of the EU budget is used for agricultural subsidies. The agricultural lobby in the EU is extremely well-organized, and is probably the only entity in the world that fully understands the vast jungle of subsidy laws. Should the EU ever try to do something about this the streets of Brussels would be filled -- once more -- by angry farmers, mainly French, waving signs, dressing up as cows, blocking the roads with trucks, and pouring either fish or manure on the pavement, depending on the mood. And if there's one thing the bloated super-bureaucracy called the EU can't afford, it's even more bad publicity.

The only reason Greek farmers aren't joining in on those street parties is because they are too far away.

Some "economic cooperation," eh? That term can be used for so much. I say, let all countries take care of their own farming. If they want to protect it with tariffs, and subsidize it, that's fine, but they shouldn't take the money from other countries.

But yes, I can also imagine that they have rhetoric like "We have always been the first line of European defense against the east," something like that, and view the EU as a pack of comrades in the permanent showdown with Turkey. Such a shame.

I wonder; how many of their northern neighbors, would they be allowed into the Union in the future, would move to Greece, and how many would move to Spain? If I were a poor Albanian or Macedonian the choice would be hard. But Greek nationalists won't have to worry about that; after all, more members only mean more allies against Turkey, right? Nothing else matters.

Oh, but the most anti-nationalist factions in the EU are talking about having Turkey join. Oh, fudge. Poor Greek nationalists. One could never have seen that one coming, could one?

Oh, but the most anti-nationalist factions in the EU are talking about having Turkey join. Oh, fudge. Poor Greek nationalists. One could never have seen that one coming, could one?

israel wants in as well and some of the EG morons are actually considering it.

israelis and Turks -- can't get much more European than that. *puke*

Those who know international law better than I do tell me that if Sweden had as many trade privileges as Israel has in its "special deal" with the EU, we needn't ever have joined. We would have gotten everything we could ask for, without paying a membership fee.

What a coincidence that it would be Israel, of all countries, that got that deal.

But yes, I have also heard that some Jewish politicians are thinking about joining. And of course no shabbas goy with any hope of a career would oppose them. Let me see ... I wonder if they would get to keep their trade benefits ... wonder if they would get special treatment regarding the "free movement" part of the Four Pillars, in order to preserve their "identity as a the world's only Jewish state" ... such a difficult question....

But actually, why not let them join? Even though they would get special treatment, I bet that in the long run the rules would be changed so they would have to accept more and more free movement. That means that the Palestinians in Europe, and probably millions of other Arabs, would move to Israel! Imagine, if you were an Arab, the chance to be a freeloader in a rich country but get to be in the Middle East all the same, and get the chance to destroy the Jewish State!

But actually, why not let them join? Even though they would get special treatment, I bet that in the long run the rules would be changed so they would have to accept more and more free movement. That means that the Palestinians in Europe, and probably millions of other Arabs, would move to Israel! Imagine, if you were an Arab, the chance to be a freeloader in a rich country but get to be in the Middle East all the same, and get the chance to destroy the Jewish State!

That is a fair point. However, due to the freedom of movement within the EG that would permit, I could almost guarantee a million(s) of israelis would move to Europe permanently. And not to just Brussels or Berlin, but Turku, Københaven and Göteborg as well.

That is unacceptable even if it would mean more palestinians returning home to the mid east. Those people can be evicted from Europe without too much trouble once the will is there to do so. But inviting more jews into Europe and allowing them to participate in European political affairs is not to be even considered. They are neurotic meddlers and spies and troublemakers who will soon have the entire continent devoting the majority of its business to israeli issues. As it stands now most White politicians can safely ignore israel and pretend it doesn't exist. If the izzy jews are allowed in, that will give israel legitimacy and you will never hear the end of their demands. You can look forward to a "holocaust" memorial in Malmö and every other Swedish city with a train station before long. And that applies to all of Europe.

Well, we can already look forward to anti-White memorials, I think. But when I wrote about Pals and other Arabs moving to Israel, I wasn't thinking of getting rid of darklings, although of course that would be nice as well. I was thinking of that Israel would lose its Jewish majority. That would be something.

I'm not sure, but I think Israelis already are allowed to move to any European country they desire. They could come simply as normal immigrants; all you need then is to show you have a job ready and a place to stay. Possibly there would be some more legal obstacles, but I don't think they are too bad. I mean, even before the EU a Swede could move to Britain or France with ease, if he only could show he had a job and a place to live.

But this shows us a most uncomfortable future scenario: when demographics take control of Israel away from the Jews, they'll move straight back to Europe again, back to the same game of invisibility and parasitism as they have always played here. And this time they'll be able to whine about being persecuted by the Arabs in Kikistan too. "Ohh, when is it gonna stop?"

Damn. As usual, it all comes back to one conclusion: ridding American media of Jews is the only solution, without which everything else is meaningless.

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I think Hadding hit the nail on the head about relative wealth, and Fred about Turkey. And further, Fred's points from other threads, about the EU being firmly anti-nationalist, is proven in spades by the fact that the "Economist" crowd is completely in favor of letting the Turks into the EU.

I noticed Izzy is a member of the EU football/soccer league already-- what with Russian Jew Oligarch Roman Abrahamovich owning one of the big clubs-- Chelsea? it's all coming together for the stinking kikes. Or so it would seem eh?

Well, we can already look forward to anti-White memorials, I think.

Yeah, probably, but you ain't seen nothin yet. Let a couple hundred thousand israeli "holocaust survivors" (there must be 75 million of them at least, maybe more) into Europe, give them a voice in EG - Brussels politics and in a couple years you'll have a "holocaust" museum on every street corner in every village. And more than a few Euro citizens will support that type of thing. The israelis use the guilt trip like a hammer. It's their entire agenda. Nothing is more important to them than emphasizing to the White man how evil he is and he perpetually "owes" concessions and apologies to jews. Unfortunately there are plenty who still fall for it.

But when I wrote about Pals and other Arabs moving to Israel, I wasn't thinking of getting rid of darklings, although of course that would be nice as well. I was thinking of that Israel would lose its Jewish majority. That would be something.

I think we have a fundamental difference of philosophy on this point. In my opinion, eliminating israel as a jewish "homeland" would not be wise at present, whether it be through dilution of their population with Arabs or by other more dramatic means. Rather, I would insist that all jews in White countries be forced or "highly encouraged" to move to israel, a state they demanded be created for them. If the jews were removed from our White nations and relocated to israel, they would be out of our lives (for the most part) . What happens to them vis a vis their regional enemies after that would not be our concern. Destroying their precious "homeland" (where fewer than half the world's jews actually want to live) would only result in them leaving that place and moving into our living space. You reached the same conclusion at the end of your letter and it's a logical one.

I'm not sure, but I think Israelis already are allowed to move to any European country they desire. They could come simply as normal immigrants]

Yes, interesting isn't it? jews seem to be able to move about the world wherever they please and get breaks on gaining citizenship while immigration laws are strictly enforced against Whites moving to other nations or even into each other's lands. That is especially true for israel -- just try moving there as a White man and a non-jew (not that any White man would want to....)

Possibly there would be some more legal obstacles, but I don't think they are too bad. I mean, even before the EU a Swede could move to Britain or France with ease, if he only could show he had a job and a place to live.

That's true, but there is a difference between residing in a foreign country and gaining citizenship. Theoretically you or I can live almost anywhere in the world we please as long as we have sufficient guaranteed income to support ourselves. But becoming a citizen eligible to vote and purchase property is usually a difficult matter. It takes quite a few years of residency, adequate knowledge of the local language and often other requirements such as employment or investment with a firm registered in the country of residence. So, yes, israelis are free now to reside anywhere in Europe they fancy, but they are not given carte blanche citizenship, voting and other rights until they satisfy the citizenship requirements. (They do seem to have an easier time gliding through the citizenship process than most White ex-pats though, I'll concede that.)

Whereas now only relatively wealthy israelis can afford to reside in Europe, if israel were allowed entry into the Europäisches Gemeinschaft all israelis would become "citizens of Europe" for all intents and purposes (isn't that a disgusting thought). You'd have every dirtbag israeli jew imaginable passing through or worse yet settling down from Gibralter to Luleå and Narvik. They would be allowed to vote and purchase property as if they were European citizens and israeli politicians would be installed in Brussels alongside those of Germany, France, Italy, Sweden, Austria, etc.

I find that idea absolutely repugnant, and I presume you do as well.

But this shows us a most uncomfortable future scenario: when demographics take control of Israel away from the Jews, they'll move straight back to Europe again, back to the same game of invisibility and parasitism as they have always played here. And this time they'll be able to whine about being persecuted by the Arabs in Kikistan too. "Ohh, when is it gonna stop?"

Right. That's why I think it's a better idea to guarantee israel's existence as a state for now, BUT only if all the jews in our countries agree to be relocated there without resistance. The eventual destruction of israel by whatever means would be a dream come true of course, but only after all jews have moved there and closed the door behind them. There should be a legal stipulation in Europe, the USA and other White nations that after relocating to israel no jews will be permitted to return or reside under any circumstances. There is an enormous quantity of available land in Sub-Saharan africa and mexico and the Pacific islands if they found israel not to their liking.

Damn. As usual, it all comes back to one conclusion: ridding American media of Jews is the only solution, without which everything else is meaningless.

Yes, quite right. But not just jews in the American so-called media, jews in ALL White media. As I remember you wrote a piece a year or two ago pointing out that the Swedish media is controlled by jews as is a good part of the Norwegian and Finnish media. That situation holds true in Canada (jew Asper) and Australia (jew Murdoch) as well. That situation must end, but it can be ended with a relocation of all jews to israel and a forced sale of jewish owned White media entities to non-jewish investors. israelis would be forbidden from buying stock shares in White media corporations after the transfer of ownership had been completed.

This points out where I disagree with Alex Linder. I do not insist that all jews need to necessarily confront a "day of the rope" but I do insist they get the hell out of our lands, get out of our media, get out of our governments, get out of our economies and then relocate themselves to israel or Africa or mexico or any non-White lands that will have them.

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In a completely unrelated question Fredrik (if I may) are you familiar with the Swedish millionaire Ian Wachmeister? He used to be a financial supporter of Folkviljan I believe and was generally sympathetic to our general ideaology. Jeg brukt en tid i Oslo i midt 90's og hus ham fra de dagene. Om han er enda aktiv han er nyttig på en senere tid. Han er sympatisk til et profesjonelt forslag for hjelp om De vet betyr hva jeg.

Håp at De leser dette mitt Norsk sucks. 🙂

Nick

In a completely unrelated question Fredrik (if I may) are you familiar with the Swedish millionaire Ian Wachmeister? He used to be a financial supporter of Folkviljan I believe and was generally sympathetic to our general ideaology. Jeg brukt en tid i Oslo i midt 90's og hus ham fra de dagene. Om han er enda aktiv han er nyttig på en senere tid. Han er sympatisk til et profesjonelt forslag for hjelp om De vet betyr hva jeg.

Håp at De leser dette mitt Norsk sucks. 🙂

Nick

Yes, Ian Wachtmeister; he and another millionaire started an anti-immigration party in the early nineties, New Democracy, and entered the Riksdag in 1992. The Jew-owned and state-controlled media went after them with everything they had, e.g. by having reporters play drunks and call local ND operatives late in the evenings in the hope of catching them making racist remarks. They failed, but they still aired what little they had, and conveniently all media outlets looked the other way, while they would have cried "outrage" had this happened to any other party.

Much because of the snake-like attacks of the media on ND people, but also because of tensions between the left and right within the party, New Democracy split and lost its seats in the Riksdag. Ian Wachtmeister later supported Folkviljan, the People's Will ... now, the largest nationalist party, Swedish Democracy, has lately received a million crowns or so every year for the past few years from one or more millionaires. The upper echelons of the SD know where the money comes from, but his name remains a secret. Quite possibly it could be Ian Wachtmeister.

No worries, your Norwegian is understandable.
What were you doing in Norge?

Yes, Ian Wachtmeister]

OK, thanks, that's interesting. I wondered if the guy was still around. I haven't heard his name in years.

I have a couple ideas and might be interested in sending him a letter. That's all I'll say here. I assume he lives in Stockholm? (If you know. No further details necessary, I can take it from there.)

No worries, your Norwegian is understandable.

What were you doing in Norge?

Ha ha, Takk, det er gode nyheter. Det var aldri meget god begynne med, men det er sikkert rusten nå. Heldigvis er for meg Deres Engelsk utmerket.

I was traveling through Sverige and Norge at the time and fell into a "black" job (cash, under the table) in a restaurant. A very good and helpful couple I met introduced me to some people they knew. I was running low on money anyway and just happened to be in the right place at the right time. I intended on staying for two weeks or a month and it ended up almost a year and a half.

Yes, he is still living in Stockholm as far as I know, and running his investment corporation The Empire. He recently published a book called Elefanterna about Swedish politics, and you can probably get his contact information through the nationalist publishing house, Nordiska förlaget.

Svartjobb, yes, what all Swedes have to do every now and then to escape the crushing tax pressure, the world's highest. If our people didn't have such unusually high quality we would have been broken by that tax pressure long ago. Hope you enjoyed your stay in Norway! I haven't been there much at all, I am ashamed to say, but I have been to Finland and Denmark a great deal. Did you note any particular differences between Norway and Sweden? Or between Norway and the rest of the world?

I' m a Greek and i hate EU ,UN, and other pro ZOG org.United Europe ,yes ,but with respect to ethnicities,WHITE and free from third world immigrants is what we need.
A FREE N.S. EUROPE!!!!!

Yes, he is still living in Stockholm as far as I know, and running his investment corporation The Empire. He recently published a book called Elefanterna about Swedish politics, and you can probably get his contact information through the nationalist publishing house, Nordiska forlaget.

Thanks very much for the link to Nordiska förlaget. I'll try that as a starting point.

Did you note any particular differences between Norway and Sweden? Or between Norway and the rest of the world?

That's quite an interesting question. It was noticable to me at the time and still is. In many ways Norge and Sverige are quite similar, yet in many ways they're very different. "Scandinavia" is stereotyped by most Americans and many Europeans as a single entity. However, until one has spent time in the individual countries (Norge, Sverige, Danmark, Island) it's easy to not recognize that there are differences between them all.

This conversation is getting a bit off the original topic so let me think that over and post my reply in a new thread.

As a simple American traveller passing through Sweden then as a short time resident of Norway I don't presume to have any special insight into either nation. But I will give you my personal observations. They're both Scandinavian countries to be sure but they are seperate, distinctive lands. The Scandinavian flavor is unmistakable in both places but they approach things a bit differently. Contrasting the two nations and their way of doing things is/was quite interesting.

Have you been to The States? Have you been to Canada? There are distinct differences between both countries but in many ways they're quite similar. It's difficult to describe the subtle differences between them accurately. I found a similar situation between Sweden and Norway. I'll try to describe the differences I noticed.

Svartjobb, yes, what all Swedes have to do every now and then to escape the crushing tax pressure, the world's highest. If our people didn't have such unusually high quality we would have been broken by that tax pressure long ago.

Right. Yes, the Swedish tax rates are beyond belief. It makes you wonder how a few people like Wachtmeister can manage to become wealthy and how anyone else can manage it at all. The tax rates in Norge are (were, I don't know about now) not quite so high, but they were close. I was working a split shift from 09:00 to 14:00, then back to work at 18:00 to 23:00. That was for 400 NOK a day cash. That was enough money to rent a room from some friends but NFW I could have rented a flat and paid bills with that kind of money. Such is the life of an illegal working man...

Hope you enjoyed your stay in Norway!

Thanks ! I did very much. I still keep in contact with friends there and might be able to arrange a visit in the near future....

I haven't been there much at all, I am ashamed to say, but I have been to Finland and Denmark a great deal.

Perfectly understandable. Canada is next door to the US but I don't get up there nearly as often as I would like to. Their government is as criminal as the USA but Canada is a fun place full of great people. But I don't make the trip often anymore.

I think you'll agree that Denmark is the coolest, it's par excellence. The Danes know it too. They regularly make jokes about Swedes and Norwegians taking the ferry across to have some fun in Danmark (I'm talking about before the bridge was built. They probably make even more jokes about it now. I haven't been there since the bridge was constructed). But a bit of national chauvinism is a good thing. I respect that and am not offended by it in the least.

I like Finland very much too but the language is indecipherable. I hate being in a place where I can't speak or read at least a few words of the local lingo. My tiny bit of Norsk/Svensk or English was OK to get around there, but it's no fun if you don't speak some of their language no matter where you are. Finnish is beyond me.

Your question about Sverige and Norge: they're alike, yet different. Let me think about that and see if I can put it into proper words. I'd be interested in hearing what any native Swedes and Norwegians reading this have to say about that as well.