First of all, Israel itself is a minor issue..you know it, I know it, we all know it...Israel is merely a symbolic entity that White Nationalists can actively oppose in regular politics.....if Israel was destroyed tomorrow, Jews would still control Wall Street and the mass media of both America and Britain so unless you can find people who ARE comfortable with naming the JEW, you are only fighting the old Communist Anti-Zionism junk of the 1980's.

Whoa...you're misunderstanding what I said.

I never claimed that Israel or foreign policy is our only concern -- although it is very important. For example, an awful lot of US dollars and White men are over in Iraq right now on Israel's behalf. If that's a "minor issue," then I can't imagine what you would consider important.

The point I was trying to make in my last post is that Israel is a useful "gateway issue" into the larger world of White Nationalism. Why depend on finding people who are comfortable with naming the Jew when you can create people who name the Jew? In other words, we can get people to see that organized Zionism in the United States has taken control of the government and the media -- not just in order to piss them off, but mainly to help them realize that the Jews are a powerful, insidious force in this country. Once they begin to see that, it's much easier to make them become full-fledged White Nationalists who oppose the entire Jewish agenda. I can speak from experience here because this is the path by which I came to oppose Jewish influence myself.

I am not opposed to naming the Jew at all, but when we do it, it should be done tastefully and, most important, in the context of some pressing issue. For an excellent example of what I'm talking about, see Sam Francis' recent column here:

http://vdare.com/francis/melted_pot.htm

Note how Francis names the Jew as Jew, yet he does it in a way that doesn't come across to the average person as a raving lunatic. He's addressing a certain problem -- immigration -- and pointing a finger at the Jew in the process. That's the key. We need to wake Whites up and show them that Jews are NOT just White people with a different religion. We need to make it clear that Judaism is a tribe that sticks together like glue and subverts other nations for its own ends. This is best done by showing specifically what damage the Jew has done and is doing: Israel-first foreign policy, immigration, promotion of homosexuality and other filth, and so on. Name the Jew, but explain WHY you're naming him as well, and do it in as inoffensive a way as possible.

It does no good for us to scare away potential converts. If you only will accept people who are already on our side, then good luck getting anywhere. We are FAR too tiny a movement to get anything done without converting a lot of people.

How do you plan to do that ? How are you going to subtly build an army ? How are you going to subtly get peoples attention ? The way the Jew did when he subtly bombed the World Trade Towers ? The way he subtly invaded Iraq using US soldiers and military strength to do his bidding ? The way he subtly bombed the King David Hotel, the way he subtly attempted to sink the USS Liberty ? How subtle can we afford to be at this point do you think ? Are we going to softsoap the message and water it down so weak in an effort to build an army of pantywaists ?

Are you suggesting that the Jews got control in the US by coming in here after WWII and marching through the streets chanting "JEWISH POWER!" or "WE'VE COME TO STEAL YOUR COUNTRY!"? The reason the Jews were able to do those things you mention is because they used subtly -- and it worked, did it not? Who rules America right now, saxonrage -- White Nationalists or Jews? And how did that group seize power -- through direct, in-your-face confrontation, or through subtle manipulation?

There is nothing "pantywaisted" about converting people to our cause using the most effective means available -- the methods the Jews have used to gain control in the US. Are we too proud to learn from our enemies' successes? If so, then we're doomed.

Once again, I am not saying that we should not name the Jew outright. I am only saying that we should be careful not to frighten away potential recruits. If you don't want recruits who are currently frightened, then guess what? You're stuck with what you've already got, so you might as well pick up that rifle right now and go to work rather than wasting time on a computer.

Yes, it would make all the difference. You wouldn't have wear a suit -- there's such a thing as being overdressed, you know -- but looking like a normal person makes people take you more seriously.

Take the example of David Duke's election to the Louisiana House of Representatives. Did you think he would have been successful in his bid for election if he'd done his campaigning in a Klan outfit? Please.

I have expressed my hatred of Israel to many people and was taken seriously each time. It's usually better to name Israel and its American supporters (including Zionist Christians) than to name the Jew outright. Once people are thoroughly convinced of the Israeli lobby's control of the US government and are on board the anti-Israel ship, it becomes MUCH easier to bring them fully into the pro-White movement. But regardless of what you say to potential converts, the most important thing to do is to back up your arguments with facts and logic, not a silly costume.

Who said anything about building gas chambers or gulags? Public discussion of those things is no different from displaying a swastika. It all projects the same distasteful image. Why do you think people are repelled by Nazi symbols, anyway? It's because -- surprise! -- they associate them with gas chambers and gulags.

In fact, I'm of the opinion that all public, explicitly pro-White rallies are counterproductive at this stage of the game. We are too few in number. Having a "rally" with only 30 people looks ridiculous. If you attend such a rally -- no matter how you're dressed -- people will take you as seriously as, say, a man wearing a sandwich board with the message "REPENT! THE END IS NEAR!" and ranting on the street corner. If you can't get at least 1000 people together for a public rally, then the rally looks retarded. We need to greatly increase our numbers through the use of the Internet and person-to-person conversion before rallies will be worthwhile. The pro-White movement needs to work hard, but subtly and undercover.

It's already done. People aren't tuning in en masse, nor will they ever. Things are too comfy and tight and everything is just fine. Juuuust fine.

Nope just asking a simple question...However;As Adolf Hitler said, a stick in the hands of a courageous man is more effective than nine armed cowards. We do not have the kind of time the Jew has had, to undo what he has done to our country in better than a hundred years. The Jew thrives in a multicultural cesspool. However it is a death trap for our people. Quiksand ! And we do not have time for political mosh pits. Its either do or die. History has never been changed by the majority of the people, but by the minority of the people with the majority of the will...

Are you suggesting that the Jews got control in the US by coming in here after WWII and marching through the streets chanting "JEWISH POWER!" or "WE'VE COME TO STEAL YOUR COUNTRY!"? The reason the Jews were able to do those things you mention is because they used subtly -- and it worked, did it not? Who rules America right now, saxonrage -- White Nationalists or Jews? And how did that group seize power -- through direct, in-your-face confrontation, or through subtle manipulation?

There is nothing "pantywaisted" about converting people to our cause using the most effective means available -- the methods the Jews have used to gain control in the US. Are we too proud to learn from our enemies' successes? If so, then we're doomed.

Once again, I am not saying that we should not name the Jew outright. I am only saying that we should be careful not to frighten away potential recruits. If you don't want recruits who are currently frightened, then guess what? You're stuck with what you've already got, so you might as well pick up that rifle right now and go to work rather than wasting time on a computer.

Nope just asking a simple question...However]
If you think engaging in political discussion is a waste of time or that those of us who want to do things carefully are cowards, then can you explain why YOU have not yet taken any physical action of significance yet? I'm talking about something that would make the national news. If numerical strength doesn't matter, then what are you waiting for?

I guess I don't understand what your proposed strategy is. If you're not suggesting that we take up arms now, then what are you suggesting? That we all dress up like SS officers and hold rallies? If you think people will listen to you when you're speaking in public dressed like a Nazi, you'd better think again. You'll see right away that it doesn't work. You won't even get a chance to speak -- you'll be shouted down and pelted with rocks and bottles until the police escort you to safety.

The reason we don't have much time left to unseat the Jewish usurpers is because the pro-White movement has been wasting time up until now. What does it have to show after all these years? Zilch. If anything, its numbers have gone down. Why would you not want to try something different from what has obviously not worked?

 

Whoa...you're misunderstanding what I said.

I never claimed that Israel or foreign policy is our only concern -- although it is very important. For example, an awful lot of US dollars and White men are over in Iraq right now on Israel's behalf. If that's a "minor issue," then I can't imagine what you would consider important.

The point I was trying to make in my last post is that Israel is a useful "gateway issue" into the larger world of White Nationalism. Why depend on finding people who are comfortable with naming the Jew when you can create people who name the Jew? In other words, we can get people to see that organized Zionism in the United States has taken control of the government and the media -- not just in order to piss them off, but mainly to help them realize that the Jews are a powerful, insidious force in this country. Once they begin to see that, it's much easier to make them become full-fledged White Nationalists who oppose the entire Jewish agenda. I can speak from experience here because this is the path by which I came to oppose Jewish influence myself.

I am not opposed to naming the Jew at all, but when we do it, it should be done tastefully and, most important, in the context of some pressing issue. For an excellent example of what I'm talking about, see Sam Francis' recent column here:

http://vdare.com/francis/melted_pot.htm

Note how Francis names the Jew as Jew, yet he does it in a way that doesn't come across to the average person as a raving lunatic. He's addressing a certain problem -- immigration -- and pointing a finger at the Jew in the process. That's the key. We need to wake Whites up and show them that Jews are NOT just White people with a different religion. We need to make it clear that Judaism is a tribe that sticks together like glue and subverts other nations for its own ends. This is best done by showing specifically what damage the Jew has done and is doing: Israel-first foreign policy, immigration, promotion of homosexuality and other filth, and so on. Name the Jew, but explain WHY you're naming him as well, and do it in as inoffensive a way as possible.

It does no good for us to scare away potential converts. If you only will accept people who are already on our side, then good luck getting anywhere. We are FAR too tiny a movement to get anything done without converting a lot of people.

The Francis article is probably already too extreme for most people. When they even see the word "Jew" it creates feelings of sympathy and emotion. The solution is getting Whites to stop thinking in a highly emotional feminine way, it is this false emotional thinking pattern that the media has been exploiting for decades.......this is why people are more comfortable with words like "Liberals"...they've never seen movies about Liberals dying in the Holocaust, but of course "Liberals" isn't a good enough explanation for what's really going on...

Bush has a portrait of Martin Luther King Jr. up in the White House...Bush wants to increase Black business ownership...Bush's wife works with the ADL to get "Anti-Hate" propaganda put into elementary schools...and they are not LIBERALS......

A person either has the necessary masculinity to oppose these demon Jews or they don't.....

Are you suggesting that the Jews got control in the US by coming in here after WWII and marching through the streets chanting "JEWISH POWER!" or "WE'VE COME TO STEAL YOUR COUNTRY!"? The reason the Jews were able to do those things you mention is because they used subtly -- and it worked, did it not? Who rules America right now, saxonrage -- White Nationalists or Jews? And how did that group seize power -- through direct, in-your-face confrontation, or through subtle manipulation?

There is nothing "pantywaisted" about converting people to our cause using the most effective means available -- the methods the Jews have used to gain control in the US. Are we too proud to learn from our enemies' successes? If so, then we're doomed.

Once again, I am not saying that we should not name the Jew outright. I am only saying that we should be careful not to frighten away potential recruits. If you don't want recruits who are currently frightened, then guess what? You're stuck with what you've already got, so you might as well pick up that rifle right now and go to work rather than wasting time on a computer.

Guess what frightens people more than anything else? "Anti-Semitism" and feeling like they don't fit into the media "Norm" anymore.....they don't want to be "Haters".......until they drop this excessive feminine concern for their social standing, they will remain slaves to Jews...

Because of this concern with "social respectability", they would rather remain a Republican even if that party is leading us directly into an iceberg.

You don't really understand the mind of a lemming, I've been around them a lot....

A) They want to do what their friends do...if all of their friends worship Rush Limbaugh, they aren't going to venture into issues which are not touched by Limbaugh....they don't feel comfortable thinking ideas which are different from the herd. They have a primal FEAR of being removed from the pack, so to guarantee their safety and permanent social acceptance, they maintain all of their views within the media defined confines...

B) They worship celebrities and other TV Stars...these stars never say anything negative about Jews or issues like race-mixing and immigration of non-whites..

C) How can they criticize Blacks? Their favorite sports star on the hometown NFL team is a Negro....

D) They don't feel comfortable with "Anti-Semitism" because it's been linked with Adolf Hitler and he was an "enemy of America"....he killed people which proved to them that "Anti-Semitism" is CRAZY, and there's nothing that dumb lemmings fear more than the idea of someone being CRAZY...

E) When the average person hears the word "racist", they think of an uneducated White redneck in a trailer park...they certainly wouldn't want to hold the same opinions with someone who isn't "classy".......also the word "racist" to them means the physical killing of a Black person.....they don't understand that racial views are an opinion like any other opinion...not associating with Blacks is no different than deciding that you don't like to eat a certain food...it's called FREEDOM but the masses don't understand this...