A VNN poll answering the following question would be helpful:

Should NSM change to a sharp, modern uniform, and a new flag -- perhaps like those of the Swedish WN's and perhaps simply the American flag?

Yes, a sharp modern uniform and flag will attract and awaken young White men and women.

No, stay with the Nazi uniform and flag. They are the historical symbols of our movement.

I don't know how to set up a poll -- so hopefully someone can set this up -- using my wording (I don't want the wording skewed in one direction or the other as is usually done with VNN polls -- let's really find out what people think).

And, if someone does create a poll, set it up so that it shows who thought what -- we want to ignore the opinions of trolls and anti-Whites.

Keep the name. Keep the philosophy. Keep the men. Keep the fight. Update to symbols the mass of White men and women will be able and will want to identify themselves with.

Thank you for bringing this subject up Devere, since it is VERY important for the future. Moreso than many realize.

The old Nazi uniforms need to go. They are symbols of a bygone era and people - a people that failed at that. New uniforms to represent the future of white racial awakening are necessary.

I think the flag should probably also change, but getting rid of the swastika isn't necessary. A new design is all that's needed. Perhaps the black swastika against a white background with dual stripes (heh, actually modeled after the Israel flag but black instead of blue and with a swastika instead of the Jew star).

It's important to understand what's being suggested and discussed here.

I think no one is suggesting the NSM "tone down" its message. No - in fact, the message should be made even more extreme. Naming the Jew is all important in this struggle, and doing it in plain, angry English is best. None of this "Heritage not hate" BS or CCC "name the Jew but not really."

The symbols need changing, not the message.

Yes. I actually don't think Hitler "failed." The numbers against him that the jews were able to summon up with their money and intimidation and media propaganda just became too great for one middle sized country -- even if that country was Germany.

But let's stay on topic. I wouldn't worry about whether or not America's NSM should "copy" the WN Swedes. In fact, I think their uniform should become worldwide. There should be one worldwide WN uniform. And I vote for the Swedish uniform -- with American insignia and flag -- distinguishing nationalistic insignia and flag for each White nation.

Let's begin to make this a worldwide movement.

I think the leadership of all White Nationalist organizations throughout the world should get their minds together (this is the age of the internet) and decide on ONE UNIFORM WORLDWIDE.

Do you all understand how POWERFUL that would be? How compelling? How unifying? Do you realize that that strategic decision to have one worldwide uniform -- all by itself could gain the White Nationalist movement throughout the world MILLIONS of new adherents?

Political Uniforms are not legal here in the UK to be worn/displayed in public, and i think its the same in Germany and Austria.

Political Uniforms are not legal here in the UK to be worn/displayed in public, and i think its the same in Germany and Austria.

The fucking jews have thought of everything. They even tell us what we can wear. Well, wherever in the world they can be worn then. And maybe they can be worn in defiance in the UK and Germany and Austria. Or leave the hat off and the insignias -- but keep everything else the same. Can the fucking jews in England and Germany tell you you can't wear kacky pants and black shirts? To hell with them.

Is it illegal in England yet to carry the British flag? (I understand it is illegal in Australia for Whites to carry the Australian flag -- too divisive and offensive to very very important beings.)

Is it illegal in England yet to carry the British flag? (I understand it is illegal in Australia for Whites to carry the Australian flag -- too divisive and offensive to very very important beings.)

Yes Nationalists can carry the British or English flags, but the cops may take your flag pole away classing it as a weapon.

Yes Nationalists can carry the British or English flags, but the cops may take your flag pole away classing it as a weapon.

Won't it be fun when we make jews illegal?

Yes. I actually don't think Hitler "failed." The numbers against him that the jews were able to summon up with their money and intimidation and media propaganda just became too great for one middle sized country -- even if that country was Germany.

But let's stay on topic. I wouldn't worry about whether or not America's NSM should "copy" the WN Swedes. In fact, I think their uniform should become worldwide. There should be one worldwide WN uniform. And I vote for the Swedish uniform -- with American insignia and flag -- distinguishing nationalistic insignia and flag for each White nation.

Let's begin to make this a worldwide movement.

I can certainly agree with your senitments on this matter of uniforms and international recognition. I honestly think that copies of Nazi uniforms from the 30-40's and the "Seig Heiling" by the American patriots is something of a put-off for those that we, as Americans, would wish to woo over to our side of lucidity and truth. Having said that, I do not for a moment doubt the sincerity of those who do wear those uniforms nor their righteous passion for our cause.

Furthermore, I think that you will agree that even among the various and splintered groups here in the US, it is quite often impossible to obtain such a simple concensus as to whether it is either day or night: much less concerning uniforms. Hence, we are faced with a quandry that may easily or not so easily be resolved.

Yes, I am sure the Swedish style is effective and easily recognized by all Swedes. My personal opinion is that in America a universal uniform could be easily adapted by all pro-white movements when we are on the streets in manifestations or protests. And as always, the American Flag should be the unfurled banner of our movement in all parades and meets. By that, I mean large 5X8 foot flags: each man and woman carrying one. Once the lemming public begins to recognize that particular graphic image at all public meetings and parades, I think they would feel much more comfortable about approaching us for further information obout our cause.

Too often, I think we tend to preach to the choir and forget the true purpose of our mission. The purpose of all pro-white movements should be to attract all the new followers that we can in order to bolster our fight against the jews and their lackey puppets who have ursurped our white civilizations all over the world.

We make a small yet effective statements when we dialogue with our relatives, friends and neighbors. Yet, when we mass in front of the lemmings and detractors, should we portray ourselves in the exact image that they have been inculcated to believe to be the very epitome of evil?

We who read and post on these boards know that in these days and times for 300-400 WNers of any persuasion to assemble in one given area at any given time is unheard of.

How can that be? Do we care so little?

Striking off 30% as slackers, trolls, jew moles and LEA parasites looking for a piece of fresh meat, that leaves us with a known total of about 150,000 supposed White activists in America. If anyone has statistics to contradict my off-the-cuff guesstimate, please post them here.

Is it impossible for us to assemble at least 100,000 White Nationalists under one common flag and in one common uniform (or no uniform) at least once a year? Has the jew made us all so selfish and individualistic that we are willing to put our boot in the face of our brother over the common message that we must all carry and share, all because of a disagreement of uniforms?

If not, please tell the rest of the White Nationalists in Europe and other besieged areas of the world why we as Americans can not.

Let us not fall prey to the whims of fashion designers in the furtherance of our common cause.

We are all engaged in a deadly serious enterprise of which the outcome will decide the eternal destiny of our race. How can we be so foolish to compromise such a momentous task with such quibblings as to what uniform is appropriate?

I am sure that a uniform sea of 100,000 American Flags in any city, at any time, all carried by people with the same message will obscure any differences of dress that we may have.

I do believe the American Flag should be carried, but not the current one . . .