Sutter sent me PM's along the lines, "I know all about your family and livelihood and I'm going to expose you on the board!" Said information he got from Whitefist.

Now I'm certainly not embarassed about my life, though that is how Sutter and Steve B. act like I should be. But I think it's a violation of our code of honor for someone who is presumably on our side to post personal details about someone's family and livelihood on a public board, or threaten to do so.

I never had a problem with their criticisms of me. But you'll notice that that piece of garbage Steve B who hides behind his cloak of anonymity just LOVES to post my name as much as possible on this board. Fuck that anonymous piece of shit who's profile lists his interests as "The Talmud." Maybe you should take him at his word. Anybody ever meet Steve B(erkowitz?) in person? Can anyone confirm he's not a jew or an anti?

You're one of my faves here, Kievsky, so I have no qualms with you whatsoever. But, nitpicking about Steve's interest in the Talmud is grasping at straws, wouldn't you say? I'm also much interested in the 'mud but not for the nefarious reasons you imply. And rest assured, Steve is not a jew or jew apologist. Though I've never met him in person, I'll take a chance and vouche for his character and integrity.

No harm meant here.

You're one of my faves here, Kievsky, so I have no qualms with you whatsoever. But, nitpicking about Steve's interest in the Talmud is grasping at straws, wouldn't you say? I'm also much interested in the 'mud but not for the nefarious reasons you imply. And rest assured, Steve is not a jew or jew apologist. Though I've never met him in person, I'll take a chance and vouche for his character and integrity.

No harm meant here.

You may have a point there, and what I said may indeed be grasping at straws with the Talmud thing. I figured I'd put it out there, since "straws" about Steve B is all we have. No one knows who he is except from message board posts. Remember the old saying, "On the Internet no one knows you're a dog."

No one knows about his personal life, except that he spends a LOT of time posting on a message board. At the same time, he criticizes me for saying Whites should get on welfare to bleed the system and have time to do White activism. For all we know, he's sitting there on "disability" or something with nothing better to do than post on message boards. No one knows if he's a hypocrite or not. He probably lives in a glass house, but none of us knows the address.

So he throws his stones from his hidden glass house, to my well known one. Fuck that piece of shit.

You may have a point there, and what I said may indeed be grasping at straws with the Talmud thing. I figured I'd put it out there, since "straws" about Steve B is all we have. No one knows who he is except from message board posts. Remember the old saying, "On the Internet no one knows you're a dog."

No one knows about his personal life, except that he spends a LOT of time posting on a message board. At the same time, he criticizes me for saying Whites should get on welfare to bleed the system and have time to do White activism. For all we know, he's sitting there on "disability" or something with nothing better to do than post on message boards. No one knows if he's a hypocrite or not. He probably lives in a glass house, but none of us knows the address.

So he throws his stones from his hidden glass house, to my well known one. Fuck that piece of shit.

Agreed. Steve can be the most offensive poster on this board. Matter of fact, I sometimes get the impression that's exactly the reputation he strives for: the outlaw disruptor stirring up as much shit as he possibly can. AE himself said earlier this year he uses Steve as a barometer of sorts to see just how far he'll permit a poster to go before he gets either a temp. ban or the perm. boot. I've had my disagreements with Steve in the past (over the "Top Ten Reasons Lisa's Husband Should..." thread he started months back, to name a biggie), but I also owe him a debt of gratitude for coming to my aid while I was a brand-newbie here going at it with an anti. I never forget favors -- never.

Also, I do know that Steve has contributed monetarily to TAA. How much I don't know. All things said however, he definitely needs to back off offending people such as yourself who we know for a fact work for the advancement of our race. That said, I'm done here.

(And you stop causing so much trouble, Steven! )

SOLUTION: Unban everyone. Or, ban enough Steve B's and similar members and all you'll have left here is Stormfront lite. The whole banishment concept sucks a fat nigger dick. Once upon a time, VNNf was an incredible place where you could spend hours reading the well written, insightful posts. The members here have since degenerated so that there are few left who even remember how great it was. It seems that some of the elder members who were around before the WR fiasco either can't remember how great it was, or didn't ever really "get it" in the first place. Linder's "free speech" forum was an incredible concept. I wish I had a copy of the old forum. Rounder actually keeps a list of contributers and distributors. If anyone thinks there might not be a problem, ask him about VNN's constant outflow of valuable supporters. This place is a shell of what it was.

SOLUTION: Unban everyone. Or, ban enough Steve B's and similar members and all you'll have left here is Stormfront lite. The whole banishment concept sucks a fat nigger dick. Once upon a time, VNNf was an incredible place where you could spend hours reading the well written, insightful posts. The members here have since degenerated so that there are few left who even remember how great it was. It seems that some of the elder members who were around before the WR fiasco either can't remember how great it was, or didn't ever really "get it" in the first place. Linder's "free speech" forum was an incredible concept. I wish I had a copy of the old forum. Rounder actually keeps a list of contributers and distributors. If anyone thinks there might not be a problem, ask him about VNN's constant outflow of valuable supporters. This place is a shell of what it was.

Sure, let's unban everyone, but only on the condition that they provide their real name and address and source of income.

Sutter sent me PM's along the lines, "I know all about your family and livelihood and I'm going to expose you on the board!" Said information he got from Whitefist.

Now I'm certainly not embarassed about my life, though that is how Sutter and Steve B. act like I should be. But I think it's a violation of our code of honor for someone who is presumably on our side to post personal details about someone's family and livelihood on a public board, or threaten to do so.

I never had a problem with their criticisms of me. But you'll notice that that piece of garbage Steve B who hides behind his cloak of anonymity just LOVES to post my name as much as possible on this board. Fuck that anonymous piece of shit who's profile lists his interests as "The Talmud." Maybe you should take him at his word. Anybody ever meet Steve B(erkowitz?) in person? Can anyone confirm he's not a jew or an anti?

Ohh..boo hoo. Sutter sent you a PM and now your panties are in a bunch. You are without a doubt the biggest two-faced little pussy I have ever had the displeasure to come across. You're like a kid in grade school. Teachers pet who rats out the other students and then at recess gets thumped for it.

"Teacher Stan, Sutter sent me a meany PM and I think Steve B is a jew. Ban those bad nasties post haste". What a pathetic little twerp you are.

Tell you what, punk. I'll match up what Iv'e done for VNN against what you have done for VNN and the loser leaves for good. Whachasay, squirt?

Ohh..boo hoo. Sutter sent you a PM and now your panties are in a bunch. You are without a doubt the biggest two-faced little pussy I have ever had the displeasure to come across. You're like a kid in grade school. Teachers pet who rats out the other students and then at recess gets thumped for it.

"Teacher Stan, Sutter sent me a meany PM and I think Steve B is a jew. Ban those bad nasties post haste". What a pathetic little twerp you are.

Tell you what, punk. I'll match up what Iv'e done for VNN against what you have done for VNN and the loser leaves for good. Whachasay, squirt?

Fuck you. Kievsky is one of the best posters on VNN. He should just put you on ignore.

This was hilarious -- and cogent. You are a creative man and a fine asset for VNN (even if you're dead wrong about a non-physical realm of reality).

Dustin Hoffman and Laurence Olivier in Marathon Man.

Who was banned and who just threw up their hands in disgust and left?

I don't even know who the mods are.

It's all so confusing.

I'm just trying to have a good time.

Fuck you. Kievsky is one of the best posters on VNN. He should just put you on ignore.

Ahh, fuck you too you little cocksucker. How much have you contributed to VNN? My guess is like Rob Freeman....a big fat fuckin zero.

Ahh, fuck you too you little cocksucker. How much have you contributed to VNN? My guess is like Rob Freeman....a big fat fuckin zero.

Whatever dirtmouth. You are on ignore.

I'm going to unban Sutter. If he posts personal information or breaks other rules, he will be banned again for good. Flynn, I'm not going to unban at this time. He's a grown man with a family and has made substantial donations to VNN, but his comments about me selling out to jews -- that's beyond the pale. If you're going to make that kind of claim, you better post a copy of the receipt.

VNN supports free speech. Our attempts to improve through pruning in my view have not worked. Moderators tend to become censors, and that's not what I want or think best.

We must rely on good men seeking what is best for our cause. Anyone who gets too far out of line with that will be seen for what he is. We do not need the type that heroically figures out that others are trolls and antis. You aren't helping. You are hurting.

This is an online forum, and anyone can join and comment, and although even a mod or two does not practice the rule, anyone can post in any forum, unless I say otherwise. We don't ban people here or there. If you want a controlled forum, there are probably 500 options out there besides us.

Just keep away from illegal and porn, and make your posts worth the time it takes to read them.

RE: Steve B

Ahh, fuck you too you little cocksucker. How much have you contributed to VNN?

Please don't try to change the subject!

Is it safe?

I am glad Mr. Linder made that post. As a new member reading about all the bannings going on it makes me a little gun-shy to make anything but "safe" points on issues for fear of pissing someone off and starting a "fight". :box:

Because of the rash of bannings, I think a lot of posters here may have a little voice in the back of their mind while expressing their views saying "hmm, might this lead to me being banned if I go down this road of thought or enquiry?". So perhaps often they don't, and possibly good ideas, or bad ideas that need an airing and refutation, are not put forward.

I read a lot from the more senior posters about the "good ol' days" when VNN was more open and there were more members posting and more interesting stuff to read. If that is so, it would be nice to see that happen again. I hope Mr. Linder's new policy as expressed in his above post is now indeed the policy, and that this forum can be an oasis on the internet where one can truly express themselves freely without fear of being immediately shoved out the door.

SOLUTION: Unban everyone. Or, ban enough Steve B's and similar members and all you'll have left here is Stormfront lite. The whole banishment concept sucks a fat nigger dick. Once upon a time, VNNf was an incredible place where you could spend hours reading the well written, insightful posts. The members here have since degenerated so that there are few left who even remember how great it was. It seems that some of the elder members who were around before the WR fiasco either can't remember how great it was, or didn't ever really "get it" in the first place. Linder's "free speech" forum was an incredible concept. I wish I had a copy of the old forum. Rounder actually keeps a list of contributers and distributors. If anyone thinks there might not be a problem, ask him about VNN's constant outflow of valuable supporters. This place is a shell of what it was.

Tonight Gold Is Money/ G.I.M. forum was down to 36 guests and few posters. That board was cleaned out out of W.N., but there were some horrible truly insane hate filled anti White trolls that were bounced too, The poster's there for the most part that were banned were W.N. and some were excellent writer's who never got in to name callling insults.

Originaldissent.com hardly ever has more than a half dozen posters. That site is hacked as of now.

Is there something that is in the air, and is it fear for the wrong reason's brought on by rank ignorance from decades of media lies and public school filth?

The Rebicon has been crossed by the neo cons so many time in our Nation's history, and the insurance claim in NYC shows the contempt they have for U.S.

Every night in the White area's that are left the TV's flicker in a majority of those homes window's as you drive by.

The name caller's and trolls are here and at every forum, look at the trouble they caused Huey P. Long, Father Coughlin, and Edwin M. Wright.

These lunatic's believe their own lie's, as Kevin MacDonald's work shows.

I am waiting for the next Gram-merian to post, as he most likely won't have had the time to have read Edwin M. Wright's warning to us, as he has more important dutie's to attend to here.

As for censoring, it is not censoring to boot crap out. I will tell you that for me I would not post in the early days of this forum because of troll's and all that, that word define's. Troll's of the left, with the alphabet type crime outfits get always have their troll's sniffing around any jewwise W.N. forum, as their mission is to wear us out with B.S., and drive working folk away. This the trolls have done. Look at Mr. Warman from Canada he was supposed to be on VNNF baiting. I read those BAIT post's. Case closed.