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Maybe I am just paranoid. Our government would not dare sell us out like that, would they?
No you're not, just look at who protects our boarders as an example, or the lack of them.....
I'm NOT a jew, I just play one on youtube.... 
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Posted : 20/08/2006 8:55 pm
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RE: Ironguard1940
Maybe I am just paranoid. Our government would not dare sell us out like that, would they?
God damn it! You just made me spit-out my lemonade all over my keyboard. LOL!
The ink of the learned is as precious as the blood of the martyr. For one drop of ink may make millions think.
Posted : 20/08/2006 10:14 pm
The c-raptor is just another tax-payer milking, multi billion-dollar boondoggle foisted on us by the jews and their pals who run the US arms biz. Its already obsolete ..its 1980’s technology, its just a supersonic version of the stealth fighter hyped by ZOG after it’s aerospace industry was upstaged all through the 90’s by the ‘brokendown’ Russian military aircraft manufacturers and the Western Europeans with their advances in civil aviation (eg Airbus almost putting Boeing out of business).
Want to see real innovation in aircraft design …these days look overseas.
How come the wondrous c-raptor, in full production for the US military hasn’t been seen at a major airshow to awe the spectators? Ill tell you why …it’s a piece of shit.
The main drawback to the stealth technology used by the US in manufacturing planes such as F-117A and the F-22 is that the expensive airframes of these aircraft are constructed primarily to minimize their radar cross section (RCS) …in otherwords how much electromagnetic radiation they reflect, which places restrictions on their aerodynamic performance. All this bullshit about the raptor being ‘da bomb’ is belied by simple physics. Its not anywheres near as agile a fighter as many others currently used by nations the world over today, including a few in the aging US inventory.
Check this out this lil warbird put in production by the Russians last year. The super-agile S37 obtains its ‘stealth’ characteristics from a special paint applied to the aircraft and an onboard plasma projector (LOL)! BTW, this aircraft can be built for about 1/5 the price of the c-raptor and can blow it out of the sky
on this ‘plasma projector’
ITAR-TASS Information Agency
Moscow, January 20, 1999
By Nicolai Novichkov
Translation by Philip KaplounResearch team at the Research Center named after M.V. Keldysh has developed new technologies allowing dramatic decrease in aircrafts' radar observability. Russian approach to low observability (LO) technologies is completely different from US Stealth and offers complete furtiveness of the protected object at a significantly lower price. An exclusive interview about these technologies was conducted by Nicolai Novichkov, ITAR-TASS with director of the Center, academic of Russian Scientific Academy Anatoliy Korteev.
As academic explained, American approach to LO (Stealth technology) applied on B-2, F-117A, and fifth generation fighter F-22 "Raptor" is based on the following principles. The airframes of these aircrafts are designed to minimize their radar cross section (RCS), avoid all possible elements of the structure which could reflect electromagnetic radiation. In order to minimize reflected radiation radio absorbing materials (RAM) are also applied to the surface of the structure. The main drawbacks of the Stealth technology are its negative effects on the flight and agility characteristics of the stealth aircrafts.
Russian scientists approach the issue from the other direction. They proposed to create a plasma formation around protected object, which prevents radars from seeing it. Thus, aerodynamical characteristics of the plane itself do not suffer. Without interfereing with technical characteristics the artificially created plasma cloud surrounding the plane guarantees more than hundred times decrease in its observability.
The physics of plasma protection can be described as following. If an object is surrounded by a cloud of plasma, several phenomenas are observed when the cloud interacts with electromagnetic waves radiated by enemy radar. First, an absorption of electromagnetic energy occurs in the cloud, since during plasma penetration it interacts with plasma charged particles, pass onto them a portion of its energy, and fades. Second, due to specific physical processes, electromagnetic wave tends to pass around plasma cloud. Both of these phenomenas results in dramatic decrease of the reflected signal.
Static and flight experiments proved the effectiveness of this technology. The first generation devices, producing plasma field surrounding an aircraft and decreasing reflected signal were created in the Center. Later, a possibily of creating second generation advanced systems (capable of not only decreasing reflected signal and changing its wavelength, but also producing some false signals) was discovered. Such systems significantly complicate determination of actual aircraft's speed, its location and leads to development of completely new approaches to LO provision, unachievable to conventional Stealth technology. Furthermore, the weight of the systems developed in Russia do not exeed 100 kg, and power consumption ranges from kilowatts to tens of kilowatts.
Advances in development of the third generation LO systems allowed to clear the systems of first and second generation for export, commented academic Anatoliy Korteev.
26/01/99 (c) ITAR-TASS
heh heh, guess who they are exporting this technology to
This ‘plasma projector’ seems to be able to be retrofitted to older Russian aircraft, and it works as the US Navy has found out repeatedly (but hasn’t reported it to the general public) to its bewilderment, the most spectacular example of it being in October 2000 when the USS Kitty Hawk (CV-63) was buzzed a few times near the Japanese coast by Russian warplanes which seemed to appear from nowhere sending the crew of the hapless birdfarm into a tizzy
Russian flyover takes Navy by surprise?
A pair of Russian warplanes that made at least three high-speed passes over a U.S. aircraft carrier stationed in the Sea of Japan in October constituted a much more serious threat than the Pentagon has admitted and were easily in a position to destroy the ship if the planes had had hostile intentions, say Navy personnel.
According to reports, a Russian air force Su-24 "Fencer" accompanied by an Su-27 "Flanker" made unopposed passes over the USS Kitty Hawk (CV-63) on Oct. 9, as the carrier was being refueled.
Russian fighters and reconnaissance planes made a second attempt to get close to the carrier on Nov. 9 — a repeat performance for which the Pentagon, as well as eyewitnesses aboard ship, said the carrier was prepared. But it was the first incident in October that caused alarm.
Pentagon spokesman Kenneth Bacon said during a regularly scheduled press briefing Nov. 30 that the Russian fighters were detected on radar well in advance of their high-speed passes. Naval officers aboard ship who spoke of the incident on the condition of anonymity agreed.
However, at the time the carrier's combat information center alerted the ship's commander, Capt. Allen G. Myers, that the Russian fighters were inbound, none of the carrier's fighters were airborne. The ship carries 85 aircraft, according to Navy figures, and has a crew of over 5,500.
Witnesses said Myers immediately ordered the launch of alert fighters, but the ship's scheduled fighter squadron was on "Alert-30" status — a minimum launch time of 30 minutes where pilots are "in the ready room" but are not sitting in cockpits waiting to be launched.
Bacon told reporters only that there "may have been a slight delay" in getting the interceptors in the air, explaining that because the Kitty Hawk was taking on fuel, it was not sailing fast enough to launch its aircraft.
One naval officer onboard the ship said, "40 minutes after the CO commanding officer called away the alerts," the Russian planes "made a 500-knot, 200-foot pass directly over the tower" of the carrier.
Before the Kitty Hawk could get a single plane airborne, the Russian fighters made two more passes. Worse, witnesses said, the first plane off the deck was an EA-6B Prowler — a plane used primarily for electronic jamming of an enemy's radar and air defenses, not a fighter capable of intercepting another warplane.
The EA-6B "ended up in a one-versus-one with a Flanker just in front of the ship," one witness said. "The Flanker was all over his ass. He was screaming for help when finally a F/A-18 Hornet from our sister squadron got off the deck and made the intercept. It was too late."
Naval personnel noted that "the entire crew watched overhead as the Russians made a mockery of our feeble attempt of intercepting them."
The Clinton administration downplayed the incident.
"In neither case did the Navy feel that any protest was warranted, and, therefore, no protest was made to the Russians," Bacon said last month.
Moscow, however, considers the incident much more serious, if not a "victory" of sorts, considering Russian aircrews have not overflown a U.S. carrier in three decades.
The mission, which according to Russian military officials who spoke with the BBC was billed as a "top-secret intelligence operation," was specifically designed to test U.S. carrier group defenses.
"To determine the Kitty Hawk battle group's complement, their order of forming up, their strength and type of weapons, including the aircraft onboard a carrier, the actions of the duty personnel, any temporary features," were all elements Russian military planners were attempting to gauge, according to Yuriy Ulanov, Russian chief of intelligence for the Far East air force and air defense group, who spoke to the British news agency.
"We went down as low as possible and from the direction of the Japanese coast — without crossing the Japanese border, of course," said Aleksandr Renev, the reconnaissance mission's squadron commander. "We went over the aircraft carrier. It looked as if they were not expecting us."
Indeed, according to one witness aboard the Kitty Hawk, U.S. personnel on deck likely were surprised.
"Four days after the flyovers, the Russian intelligence agency e-mailed the CO of the Kitty Hawk and enclosed pictures they had taken of dudes scrambling around the flight deck, trying to get airborne," the witness explained.
Yesterday, Jon Yoshishige, media director for the U.S. Pacific Fleet, downplayed the incident, telling WorldNetDaily it was likely the Russian press was "exaggerating" it for public-relations purposes.
"Reports by some Russian media misrepresent and exaggerate a meeting when several Russian aircraft flew out to collect reconnaissance photographs of USS Kitty Hawk several weeks ago," Yoshishige said in response to an e-mail inquiry about the incident.
"The reports imply that USS Kitty Hawk was unaware or unprepared when in fact the approaching aircraft had been detected, tracked and identified for an extended period of time and then escorted by U.S. aircraft," he said. "It is not uncommon for aircraft from other nations to occasionally approach our ships at sea to conduct routine surveillance. In each of these cases, the aircraft were detected, identified, tracked and escorted if appropriate.
"Our aircraft carriers and ships maintain a high situational awareness of the threats in the air, on and under the sea," Yoshishige said.
His assessment was echoed by Myers when the carrier returned to his home port in Yokosuka, Japan, Nov. 20, after 55 days at sea.
"We had a superb deployment," Myers was quoted as saying by the ship's public affairs department. "We've worked very hard at perfecting our core competency — conducting carrier operations at sea — and made great strides in the effort to preserve Hawk for years to come. We are, and will remain, ready for any mission we may be called on to execute."
The BBC, however, said that it was evident by the photographs taken by the Russian jets that there was "panic aboard" when the planes made their over-flights.
"The Kitty Hawk was caught unawares while taking on fuel from a tanker, and the pilots saw the aircraft carrier start to jettison the fuel line to speed up the ship," most likely to launch its interceptor aircraft.
The BBC report also substantiates what witnesses aboard the carrier said regarding the amount of time it took to finally launch the first aircraft.
"It took the Americans some five minutes" after the first flyover "to scramble fighter-interceptors," the BBC said. "The Russian intelligence officers managed to make two passes over the deck of the aircraft carrier and to photograph the Kitty Hawk."
Said Yoshishige, "The Navy uses a wide array of information/intelligence sources to provide the necessary data to determine intentions and classify any potential threats and takes the appropriate actions to address them."
"We regard the Cold War as being over," Bacon said in November. "And although we clearly monitor Russian ships and airplanes ... we keep an eye on what the Russians are up to.
"But we are well-trained, and we're ready to deal with these episodes," Bacon added.
Another recent incident suggests that while the Cold War may not be officially "on" again, clearly Moscow is taking a more aggressive stance against the U.S.
In late November, Russia dispatched five strategic bombers to bases in the Far East — opposite Alaska and near Japan — "in apparent preparation for training runs to probe U.S. air defenses around Alaska," Agence France-Presse reported Nov. 30.
Pentagon officials may have disclosed the Russian air force movements to let Moscow know the U.S. was still capable of monitoring Russian military activity and was actively doing so.
In response to the deployment of the bombers — propeller-driven Tu-95 "Bear" aircraft capable of delivering standard bomb loads or conventional and nuclear-tipped cruise missiles — the Pentagon and Canadian defense ministry officials dispatched F-15 and CF-18 fighters to forward bases in Alaska.
The Pentagon said a pair of Tu-95's was sent to a base at Anadyr on the Bering Sea, while three others were dispatched to a base at Tiksi, on the Laptev Sea in eastern Siberia.
Officials said bombers from those bases flew missions to test U.S. air defenses in March and in September 1999 as well.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15625
At first the US denied it happened, and then the truth came out
Pentagon admits Russians buzzed Kitty Hawk then e-mailed pictures
WASHINGTON, Dec 7 (AFP) -
The Pentagon admitted Thursday that Russian fighters flew several hundred feet directly over the USS Kitty Hawk October 17 in the Sea of Japan, taking photographs of the deck that were later e-mailed by the Russians to the aircraft carrier.The black-and-white photographs were sent in November by a regional Russian military command along with a "very short and not particularly remarkable" message, said Rear Admiral Steve Pietropaoli, chief of navy public affairs.
The Pentagon last week had said the Russian aircraft had not flown directly over the Kitty Hawk, as senior Russian officials had boasted last month, but to one side of it at altitudes of several thousand feet.
On Friday, however, Pentagon spokesman Kenneth Bacon acknowledged that on October 17 "they did fly very close to the carrier, within several hundred feet," he said.
"They did take some pictures. They did e-mail the pictures to the Navy and to the ship actually, and I would refer you to the Navy for those pictures," he said.
The Navy refused to release the pictures, which officials said showed the ship's deck.
Russian officials had said the carrier was taken by surprise, and that the pictures captured the panic on deck as their aircraft flew over.
The Pentagon has acknowledged that Kitty Hawk's planes were not immediately scrambled, saying the carrier was refueling at the time and not traveling fast enough to launch aircraft.
But it denies that the Kitty Hawk was taken by surprise.
Pietropaoli said the Russian aircraft — four SU-24 Fencers and SU-27 Flankers — were detected and tracked by radar almost from the time they took off from bases in the Russian far east, adding that the carrier took "a calculated risk" that the flights bore no hostile intent.
"There is nothing about this incident that constitutes a threat," he said.
The October 17 incident was one of three in which Russian aircraft have flown over the Kitty Hawk.
The first incident occurred on October 12, the same day a US destroyer refueling in Yemen was devastated by a suicide bombing. The last incident occurred November 9.
Neither the Navy nor the Pentagon has filed a protest over incidents, which officials said violated no international conventions.
But Bacon said the Kitty Hawk has changed its alert posture in response to the incidents.
http://www.cdi.org/russia/131.html##8
Deck apes panicking and running ass-wild all over the flightdeck trying to launch a bird to intercept the Russkies …yea, sure they knew they were coming. Other incidents of Russian warplanes suddenly appearing from nowhere include the day the USS Cole was destroyed in Yemen.
Curious, eh?
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Posted : 22/08/2006 5:15 pm
Looks like our AEGIS Combat System is now useless. I wonder if this plasma technology can be installed on a cruise missile.
Enkidu
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Posted : 22/08/2006 5:31 pm
Check this out this lil warbird put in production by the Russians last year. The S37 obtains its ‘stealth’ characteristics from a special paint applied to the aircraft and an onboard plasma projector (LOL)! BTW, this aircraft can be built for about 1/5 the price of the c-raptor and can blow it out of the sky
Affirmative action at work 
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[color="Red"]"sneaky 'GD' Jews are all alike." ......Marge Schott
" I'd rather have a trained monkey working for me than a nigger,"
Posted : 22/08/2006 5:57 pm
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Frost graduated from University of South Carolina in 1970 and earned a master's degree in counseling at Wayne University while on active duty with the Army. [color="Red"](I hope that I don’t have to say anything about this, for everyone to see the fraud that we’re talking about here.)
Doesn't need any explanation .
AAFES , the military monopoly on commissarries, infamously noted for graft , favoritism and overpriced low quality products . Wow , what an amazing woman , to run such a critical branch of our esteemed multi-cultural armed forces ( the entire system could be shut down and replaced by K-mart and Burger King . )
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[color="Red"]"sneaky 'GD' Jews are all alike." ......Marge Schott
" I'd rather have a trained monkey working for me than a nigger,"
Posted : 22/08/2006 6:08 pm
The c-raptor is just another tax-payer milking, multi billion-dollar boondoggle foisted on us by the jews and their pals who run the US arms biz. Its already obsolete ..its 1980’s technology, its just a supersonic version of the stealth fighter hyped by ZOG after it’s aerospace industry was upstaged all through the 90’s by the ‘brokendown’ Russian military aircraft manufacturers and the Western Europeans with their advances in civil aviation (eg Airbus almost putting Boeing out of business).
Want to see real innovation in aircraft design …these days look overseas.
How come the wondrous c-raptor, in full production for the US military hasn’t been seen at a major airshow to awe the spectators? Ill tell you why …it’s a piece of shit.
The main drawback to the stealth technology used by the US in manufacturing planes such as F-117A and the F-22 is that the expensive airframes of these aircraft are constructed primarily to minimize their radar cross section (RCS) …in otherwords how much electromagnetic radiation they reflect, which places restrictions on their aerodynamic performance. All this bullshit about the raptor being ‘da bomb’ is belied by simple physics. Its not anywheres near as agile a fighter as many others currently used by nations the world over today, including a few in the aging US inventory.
Check this out this lil warbird put in production by the Russians last year. The super-agile S37 obtains its ‘stealth’ characteristics from a special paint applied to the aircraft and an onboard plasma projector (LOL)! BTW, this aircraft can be built for about 1/5 the price of the c-raptor and can blow it out of the sky
on this ‘plasma projector’
heh heh, guess who they are exporting this technology to
This ‘plasma projector’ seems to be able to be retrofitted to older Russian aircraft, and it works as the US Navy has found out repeatedly (but hasn’t reported it to the general public) to its bewilderment, the most spectacular example of it being in October 2000 when the USS Kitty Hawk (CV-63) was buzzed a few times near the Japanese coast by Russian warplanes which seemed to appear from nowhere sending the crew of the hapless birdfarm into a tizzy
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15625
At first the US denied it happened, and then the truth came out
What a colossal load of bullshit. I shall enlighten the people.
1) Garrett states that the Russian S37 (aka the Berkut, also called the Su-47) was put into production last year. It hasn't, nor will it ever be because it is a test model! An experimental, technology demonstrator. Kinda like the US made Grumman X-29 in the 1980's that also had forward swept wings. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the dummy russians stole the Grumman design because the Americans stole the swept wing from the German Junkers Ju 287, built in the 1940's.
Sukhoi(the russian company that built this piece of junk) is now attempting to market the S-37 to the Russian military and foreign customers as a production fighter. So far there are no takers because the forward swept wings have a nast tendancy to twist off at high speeds
2) Garrett states, or quotes from Tass(chuckle) that the russians have a super secret stealth technology called a ‘plasma projector’. Excuse me while I laugh my ass off. HAHAHAHAHAHAH. Ok, I feel better now. The ruskies have never produced a full production stealth aircraft, let alone a "cloaking device". By comparsion the US has produced 6 of them. Garrett implies that this russian stealth science is responsible for the "buzzing" of the USS Kitty Hawk. In that article the US says they saw the russian aircraft on radar long before they arrived but didn't scramble US fighters.To back up his claims Garrett also links an article by Jon E. Dougherty, who the link says is a policy analyst with Freedom Alliance, a group founded by Lt. Col. Oliver North. Olly North? You mean that bought and paid for Zionist military stooge who works for ZOG military industrial complex hyping stories to scare the lemmings into forking over their tax dollars so we can make america safe for democracy? That Olly North?
Nice try, Garrett. Stick to debating the morons in opp forum and leave the real debates to the big boys.
Posted : 22/08/2006 8:19 pm
1) Garrett states that the Russian S37 (aka the Berkut, also called the Su-47) was put into production last year. It hasn't, nor will it ever be because it is a test model! An experimental, technology demonstrator. Kinda like the US made Grumman X-29 in the 1980's that also had forward swept wings. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the dummy russians stole the Grumman design because the Americans stole the swept wing from the German Junkers Ju 287, built in the 1940's.
Sukhoi(the russian company that built this piece of junk) is now attempting to market the S-37 to the Russian military and foreign customers as a production fighter. So far there are no takers because the forward swept wings have a nast tendancy to twist off at high speeds
ahem, you care to quote a source that says the S37 was never put into production or do we just take your word for it? And what the fuck is a ‘nast tendancy’? Is that like in the nasty tendency you have on the forum to run your mouth before someone puts their foot in it? 
2) Garrett states, or quotes from Tass(chuckle) that the russians have a super secret stealth technology called a ‘plasma projector’. Excuse me while I laugh my ass off. HAHAHAHAHAHAH. Ok, I feel better now. The ruskies have never produced a full production stealth aircraft, let alone a "cloaking device". By comparsion the US has produced 6 of them. Garrett implies that this russian stealth science is responsible for the "buzzing" of the USS Kitty Hawk. In that article the US says they saw the russian aircraft on radar long before they arrived but didn't scramble US fighters.To back up his claims Garrett also links an article by Jon E. Dougherty, who the link says is a policy analyst with Freedom Alliance, a group founded by Lt. Col. Oliver North. Olly North? You mean that bought and paid for Zionist military stooge who works for ZOG military industrial complex hyping stories to scare the lemmings into forking over their tax dollars so we can make america safe for democracy? That Olly North?
actually, I can find other sources of the incident with the USS Kitty Hawk that quote crewmembers that were there that day and they pretty much say the same thing …they didn’t even see ‘em coming.
The ‘plasma projector’ thing is just conjecture, just like your speculation that the F22 gives the US military some kind of ‘edge’ over other any other warplane manufactured in the world. What a joke! What’s your source of information on the “cRaptor’ Stevie, the US government? LOLOLOL, or maybe some shill for a US aerospace company hahaha …get my point?
The ‘raptor’ is just another expensive to build, expensive to maintain piece of hardware that doesn’t live up to the hype …
Tell me something genius, how come its never been at an air show …anywhere?
I guess youll say that ZOG doesn’t wanna give away ‘secrets’ about it, huh?
have another brew and chill out Steve O
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Posted : 22/08/2006 9:22 pm
ahem, you care to quote a source that says the S37 was never put into production or do we just take your word for it? And what the fuck is a ‘]
T, a simple google search will tell you that the Russians have no S37 Berkut in their arsenal. It is a test model, a prototype. It will never enter production because it is a piece of shit.
Sukhoi's S-37 Berkut flight tests began
At the Zhukovsky flight research center near Moscow, flight test began on September 25 of the first prototype of the Sukhoi’s S-37 Berkut. The Russian press has immediately dubbed this aircraft as “the superfighter which destroys the monopoly of the US on aircraft of the 21st century and is expected to be competitive with the fighter of the fifth generation F-22 Raptor”. However, the new aircraft of the general designer Mikhail Simonov is unlikely to represent a true fighter of the fifth generation, about the development of which representatives of Russia’s Air Force and Sukhoi Design Bureau have dropped mysterious hints during the past several years. It is not a secret for anyone that the development of the Russian fighter of the fifth generation is 5 to 7 years behind the F-22.
This prototype (early known as S-32) is rather intended for experimental development of those technological decisions that can be really employed on future combat aircraft of the Sukhoi family. In any case, in connection with an extremely difficult situation of the Russian aircraft industry, the S-37 aircraft is faced with a hard road to go from a prototype to the fully-fledged fighter. As always, the demonstration of the earlier secret new product arouses many questions to which representatives of the Sukhoi Design Bureau have for well-known reasons a standard answer “No comments”. In particular, unknown is the purpose of the new aircraft, its flight characteristics, level of the craft’s outfit with standard armament and equipment. At the same time, Lieutenant-Gen-eral Yuri Klishin, deputy commander-in-chief of the Air Force in charge of armament, has pointed out at the MAKS’97 airshow that the Russian aircraft of the fifth generation will be a multi-role one. That means that apart from accomplishing mission of a pure fighter, the new aircraft will be able in future to deliver strikes at ground targets with the help of state-of-the art high-precision weapons. Proceeding from possible missions that Russia’s Air Force is to set before the fighter of the fifth generation, the list of technical features developed on the S-37 are sure to include low radar signature, supersonic cruising flight speed at the engines non-afterburner operation mode and provision of maneuverability over the wide range of the speed range. The S-37’s configuration is unusual for the aircraft of the Sukhoi family as it employs a forward swept wing (FSW). According to the deputy head of the Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute (TsAGI), Valery Sukhanov, the employment of FSW will give the future combat Russian aircraft the following advantages: raise aerodynamic characteristics and especially maneuverability at subsonic flight speeds, improve controllability at high angles of attack, in-crease the flight range through FSW’s high lift qualities, raise take-off and landing characteristics. Besides, FSW has lower radar signature from the for-ward hemisphere. Valeri Sukhanov has declined to comment on reports about flight tests of the S-37. However, he has said that in the 1980s work in this direction in the USSR and the US was going on practically in parallel. Due to objective circumstances connected with the beginning of restructuring in the former USSR, work on FSW substantially slowed down. At the same time American specialists, who had conducted in the 1980s a cycle of flight tests of twoX-29A with FSW, gave up the idea of using such a wing on serial combat aircraft of the fifth generation because of major technical risks. As of today, TsAGI’s scientists have accomplished a large volume of theoretical research of FSW. This research have confirmed the possibility of employing of a such wing on supersonic flight modes. At the same time, the necessity has been established of resolving of a number of problems related to strength of such a wing and reinforcing its structure because of the influence of high loads. At present, with the development of technologies of composite materials, is possible to solve the task of developing a highly loaded light high-strength FSW, Sukhanov has pointed out. In his view, the beginning of experimental development of the FSW concept on S-37 is a topical task and is to contribute to the shaping of the scientific and technical potential for future Russian aircraft. The new Sukhoi prototype is con-figured as an integral triplane equipped with forward canards. The forward-swept wing is 90% of composite materials.
http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/Floor/7307/photo.html
Posted : 22/08/2006 9:40 pm
I just found a more recent article that has costs at 360 million per plane. Plus it will cost billions to train all new maintenance crews to keep them aloft. There is something to be said for the Cossack strategy of keeping things simple, durable, cheap and mass producing them. On paper the new Panzer tanks should have crushed the T-34's at Kursk. However, they had severe reliability problems and were outnumbered by the dependable T-34's.
Exactly what my old Father always said. He was in the German Army in Russia for four years. I remember the old German vets at family gatherings around Christmas times. The old boys would get on the Schapps and start talking weapons and battles. We boys would listen, eyes and ears wide open. There were men from many theatres at these functions. Afrika Corps said 'British Trucks and machinery was rubbish' Italian rifles light and pretty but unreliable. All however had high praise for the Russian made equipment.
Posted : 22/08/2006 10:14 pm
All however had high praise for the Russian made equipment.
Lots of Kraut blood in Russia , many Europeans fled Europe to Siberia so they could get away from the oppressive nobility . Not to mention all the Volga Germans . WWI & WWII , cousins killing cousins , tragic 
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[color="Red"]"sneaky 'GD' Jews are all alike." ......Marge Schott
" I'd rather have a trained monkey working for me than a nigger,"
Posted : 22/08/2006 10:21 pm
T, a simple google search will tell you that the Russians have no S37 Berkut in their arsenal. It is a test model, a prototype. It will never enter production because it is a piece of shit.
Steve that article you quoted is almost ten years old, but I found something more recent that suggests that you are right about the S37 not being put in production …]Originally known as the S-37, Sukhoi redesignated its advanced test aircraft as the Su-47 in 2002. The change reflected the company's decision to market the design as a production fighter rather than as an experimental prototype. Also commonly referred to as the Berkut (Golden Eagle), the Su-47 was originally built as Russia's principle testbed for composite materials and sophisticated fly-by-wire control systems. The aircraft makes use of forward-swept wings allowing superb maneuverability and operation at angles of attack up to 45° or more. The advantages of forward sweep have long been known as such wings offer lower wave drag, reduced bending moments, and delayed stall when compared to more traditional wing shapes. Unfortunately, forward sweep also induces twisting strong enough to rip the wings off an aircraft built of conventional materials. To solve this problem, the Su-47 makes use of composite materials carefully tailored to resist twisting while still allowing the wing to bend for improved aerodynamic behavior.
To reduce development costs, the S-37 borrowed the forward fuselage, vertical tails, and landing gear of the Su-27 family. Nonetheless, the aircraft includes reduced radar signature features (including radar absorbent materials), an internal weapons bay, and space set aside for an advanced radar. Though similar in overall concept to the American X-29 research aircraft of the 1980s, the Su-47 is about twice the size and far closer to an actual combat aircraft than the US design. Like the X-29 though, the S-37 was primarily a technology demonstrator, one intended to lay the foundation for the next Russian fighter. Such a fighter must not only be as advanced as the US F-22 and Eurofighter Typhoon, but must also compete for funding with the more conventional MiG 1-42. However, Sukhoi is now attempting to market the Su-47 to the Russian military and foreign customers as a production fighter in its own right. Initial reaction was not good, but the aircraft's performance has been so impressive that the Russian government has made funds available for further testing of the design.
Recent reports have suggested that the Su-47 will most likely be used as a technology testbed for Russia's "5th Generation" fighter, which is seen as a competitor to the American Joint Strike Fighter. However, Sukhoi has apparently decided to abandon the forward-swept wings of the S-37, and any future production model will return to a more conventional wing layout. If true, Sukhoi may have reached the same conclusion as NASA did following testing of the X-29 that the benefits of forward-swept wings are just not worth the extra cost and complexity associated with their design and manufacture.
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/s37/
I read this and 'ass-umed' that it was being produced
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1281276.html?page=2&c=y
I still think the ‘raptor’ is an overrated, expensive piece of shit
A. Linder @Alex_Linder@pieville.net
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Posted : 22/08/2006 10:26 pm
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