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Bill White = COINTELPRO.

Schtrom?

Has a “WN” ever looked so queer?

Why that goyly-chin-down-sideways glance just tickles my matzahs!

A payfect leiter for all the wannabee Goybbels!!

in response to Pamela Ramsey
you said:
*snip*
Has Mr. Kevin Strom been accused of anything except having pornography on his hard drive? *snip*

in reply:
I suspect that, as this all works out in the cold, harsh, light of the judicial process, we might all find room for “accusation(s)” beyond what we might have considered.

Reverse the question, Pamela:
“Has Mr. Kevin Strom accused anyone of anything without the slightest shred of proof?”

Listen to VNN on Monday, and call Alex Linder; then, remembering that people rarely change, ask yourself if this is the first person “Mr. Kevin Alfred Strom” has treated in this manner.

Then, note that Linder called out the Stroms on VNN. Their response was, from what I can tell, somewhat muted.

It might be that there is a lot more to l’affaire Strom than we have suspected, and not just relating to Kevin’s current sad state of affairs.

Look at it from the level of the Institutions involved.

WHY is Stromfront ending all discussion on this topic?

WHY is it that the men who seem to propose, in so many words, the clearly defined, arduous work of “taking back America,” won’t allow free, honest, open discussion on this topic. What else gets short shrift?

WHY won’t Stromfront adopt the VNN model, the marketplace of ideas model – get it out there, say it, defend it, or shut up?

The old “Movement,” such as it was, operated with a high ratio of irrational idiots to Great Men; yet, the ideas we espouse, and the ideas we support, are so strong, clear, and right, that men like Rockwell and Pierce gave their lives in support of them.

That Stromfront suddenly seems to be an American version of the BNP – “the paste jewel of middle class respectability,” and all that – says they are well on their way to being gelded, like American Renaissance.

Actions always speak louder than words.

The actions of men like Alex Linder, Harold Covington, Bill White, Peter Shank, Bob Whitaker, and a precious few more, stand in dramatic counterpoint to what seems to be Stromfront’s new hallmarks – intellectual dishonesty, and the the moral equivalent of cowardice.

On the other hand, might Mr. Strom himself be the victim of an exercise in…wait for it…COINTELPRO?

Incidentally, to give credit where credit is due, David Duke’s (paraphrased) words of advice will stand us all in good stead:

“Whenever a man is talking with you and starts to speak of doing something that is illegal, or might even seem to illegal, look at them and say, loudly enough for their microphones to pick up, ‘I don’t know what you are talking about! Stay away from me!’ Then, IMMEDIATELY WALK AWAY, and, if he follows you, tell him you are going to the police.”

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

Reo said: The Jews today seem to have the infighting down to a minimum – As an IJC turncoat, I know this statement to be untrue. There is much interfactional and intrafactional fighting among the Jews, although a lot of it gets whitewashed by the Jew-controlled media; which is why the Goyim are often not informed of it. The key divide seems to be between the mainstream Jews who support the ZOG, and the various individual Kikes and Kike organizations (anarchists, Cows, NK, etc.) who are deemed “not really Jewish” or “excommunicated” by the mainstream for their opposition to the ZOG and the IJC.

Can a nonauthoritatrian race beat an authoritarian one? – I believe that they can; one proven strategy is solidarity with other non-authoritarian communities (including those of other races) and decentralized organizizing.

Colonel Clink asks: Is it good for Jews? The colonel asks an old kike question… It appears that a certain Jewish hate site with ZOG-identified members is jumping all over the story; they feel that they’ve caught the “big fish”, or possibly even the whole fucking school.
Furthermore, according to this random page on the topic: An article in a local Virginia newspaper reporting Strom’s arrest pointed out that federal agents removed “over 40 cartons” of documents from Strom’s home. Feds also removed computers, computer disks, and associated computer equipment.
Oh shit! Looks like the ZOG is about to spread a really wide net.

The real charges are coming up, of course; knowing the ZOG, “Hate crime” type charges will be featured prominently. There will be a lot of busts; anyone who has ever mailed to Strom a zine, newsletter, flyer, or anything, and anyone who corresponded with him by e-mail, probably a couple of grand jury investigations too. The conserviots and patriotards will support this as a knee-jerk reaction to pedophilia; and a lot of fieldwork activists who have supported him in the past are fucked, even if they were not in on the pedophilia and racketeering.
So yes, it’s good for the Jews; TOO good for them, in fact. This boils down to a question of survival for individuals and for autonomous communities; the Vinlanders are on the right track, in the sense that they’re decentralizing themselves. In order to escape the net, individuals and communities who cannot “slip through the cracks” should work together to destroy the net, while disassociating themselves from the “schoolmaster” – Strom himself.

Jackumup said: The Catholic Church was rocked with this type of scandal, the jewish lead media coined the phrase “pedophile priest”. – Looks like the backblast area wasn’t clear, however; the Jewish leadership are now facing their own scandal, as the case of and backlash from Yidi Kolko clearly demonstrate.

‘Who in the heck is “Humbert Humbert?”’

Who in the heck is “Google Google?”

‘Antagonistes’ asks: “Who in the heck is ‘Humbert Humbert?’ “

HH was the ‘anti-hero’ from Vladmir Nabokov’s novel: ‘Lolita‘;

in to-day’s ‘parlance’, he would prblby qualify as a ‘pædolphile’!

15 years or so ago, I learned some important lessons from the early work of Pastor Pete Peters. I still highly recommend his audio tape series, They and Us: It contains vital information including a law school profesor bragging on the Jewish influence in the U.S. Supreme Court by Judges at both ends of the spectrum– rabbis and athiests– which alerted me to the fact that Jewishness was admitted to be racial rather than religious.

Then, unfortunately, I got to know people close to Peters and learned too much about their personal lives and problems. That was not only distracting, wasting time and energy, but called into question the credibility of what they said wasting more time and energy not only sorting it out but defending it.

Emotion, particularly about highly-charged allegation such as pedophilia and, to the brainwashed, “anti-Semitism,” tends to overcome rationality. And that is the reason for Rules of Evidence. It seems to me that a certain intellectual and procedural rigor is called-for in those who would overthrow the dominant order. We should teach it, support it, and apply such standards to our writing, our conversation, our child-rearing, and our private thoughts. White speaks of transcending the animal and this is where it begins.

A few thoughts on the Strom controversy: In an ideal movement, people like Kevin Strom would never have gotten anywhere near the leadership of a White Nationalist organization. There would be too many normal people coming forward to offer leadership. But ours is a marginal movement, and that means that the people who are willing to get out in front are often pretty wierd.

This has been my view of Strom for a long time, well before the recent allegations. A brief tour of his website is enough to convince anyone that he is wierd: the twee, pastel Maxfield Parrish, Norman Rockwell, Walt Disney aesthetics; Strom’s wierd photos and poses; they create an unmistakeble impression of a person who is slightly off, and I do not mean just politically and ideologically “off”–that is true of all of us. I mean “spritually” off.

A lot of people have taken one look at the site, and one listen to Strom’s reedy, dweeby, boyish voice, and concluded that he is gay. On top of that, the homophobia of National Vanguard just seems like protesting too much.

I confess that I had the same suspicions, but only until I met Strom. You see, I am gay, and I have pretty good “gaydar.” Strom, however, did not register as gay at all. Nor did he seem particularly straight. He just seemed sexually “off the radar.” So did a couple of youngish fellows hanging around him at the last American Renaissance conference.

I have met “weirder than gay” people like him before a couple times in my life. One of them, a bookstore owner whose shop I patronized, was later arrested for molesting a teenage boy. So when the Strom story came out, I was not surprised (which is not to say that I am certain he is guilty). Strom’s tastes are childlike, immature, and extremely sentimental–sentimentality being a longing for lost innocence. These are the tastes I would expect of someone into children.

But National Vanguard members can at least take comfort: Strom is not a homosexual.

All that said, I think that Strom is a pretty talented writer. I share his professed political and philosophical views, and I like the National Vanguard site a lot. I wish he was still editing it. Like I said, I wish that normal people with the same talents were out in front. But lacking such people, I am would be happy to see Strom return, wierd sexual and asethetic tastes and all. We need to use the talents of all people, even wierd ones, if we are going to win.

AN IMPORTANT PROVISIO: I would not mind Strom taking a role in the movement, as long as his wierdness has remained in the realm of fantasy, and he has not actually violated the innocence of any little girl. I also would not blame the parents of little girls for keeping him away from their children.

But this movement does not consist of little girls, so the majoity of us have nothing to fear from dealing with the little creep, and much to gain by keeping his talents at work.

Does my attitude offend? Do you feel a fit or moral pique coming on? Are you planning to posture and preen just a bit below this point in the comments section? Chances are . . .

Whites are a strange race. We are willing to indulge in fits of moral puritainism, EVEN WHEN IT IS COLLECTIVELY DISADVANTAGEOUS. Why is that? And is it a behavior pattern that will help us or hurt us in the struggle with the other races for dominion over this planet?

Do the Jews and Blacks worry that their leaders are immoral, as long as they are advancing their collective interests? Hell, not even the French worry about that.

GWM wrote:
14 January, 2007 at 9:01 pm

A few thoughts on the Strom controversy: In an ideal movement, people like Kevin Strom would never have gotten anywhere near the leadership of a White Nationalist organization. There would be too many normal people coming forward to offer leadership. But ours is a marginal movement, and that means that the people who are willing to get out in front are often pretty weird.

This has been my view of Strom for a long time, well before the recent allegations. A brief tour of his website is enough to convince anyone that he is weird: the twee, pastel Maxfield Parrish, Norman Rockwell, Walt Disney aesthetics; Strom’s weird photos and poses; they create an unmistakeble impression of a person who is slightly off, and I do not mean just politically and ideologically “off”–that is true of all of us. I mean “spritually” off.

A lot of people have taken one look at the site, and one listen to Strom’s reedy, dweeby, boyish voice, and concluded that he is gay. On top of that, the homophobia of National Vanguard just seems like protesting too much.

I confess that I had the same suspicions, but only until I met Strom. You see, I am gay, and I have pretty good “gaydar.” Strom, however, did not register as gay at all. Nor did he seem particularly straight. He just seemed sexually “off the radar.” So did a couple of youngish fellows hanging around him at the last American Renaissance conference.

I have met “weirder than gay” people like him before a couple times in my life. One of them, a bookstore owner whose shop I patronized, was later arrested for molesting a teenage boy. So when the Strom story came out, I was not surprised (which is not to say that I am certain he is guilty). Strom’s tastes are childlike, immature, and extremely sentimental–sentimentality being a longing for lost innocence. These are the tastes I would expect of someone into children.

But National Vanguard members can at least take comfort: Strom is not a homosexual.

In reply:
If ever we have seen a red herring, it is here.

The issue is not, and never has been, “Is Strom a Homosexual?”

This is an issue that seems to be more at home on STROMFRONT, as are Strom’s numerous defenders.

Incidentally, there is no such thing as “homophobia”; there IS “heterophilia,” and it’s – quite literally – a way of life.

Unlike homosexuality, which is, as we all know, a way of death.

The issue is not even, “Is Kevin Alfred Strom a Pedophile?”

That’s not The Big Issue before us; I would hope he is not, but we could hear from Mrs. Elisha Strom on VNN’s Free Talk Live on Monday, and that would help clear up, at least in part, the document that seems quite indicting – if only of a contract signed as part of marital counseling.

Alex Linder dealt with the real issues on several occasions in the past, where he crossed swords with Mr. and Mrs. Strom, to their regret.

The real issue is the personal integrity of the man as it relates to the Institution; homosexuality is merely a red herring, as are, for that matter, charges of pedophilia – until they have been proven or disproved in a court of law.

The real issues seem to be resolving around two themes:

(1) Kevin Alfred Strom’s personal integrity vis-a-vis the “Movement,” and his fulfillment of such responsibilities as he has undertaken in the past. Pierce, for one, seemed less than impressed with these, from a casual review of what little we know.

(2) Stormfront’s eagerness to cut off ALL discussion of Kevin’s current situation.

The first is personal, and only peripherally Institutional; Kevin has been of no substance whatsoever to “the Movement” in some time.

The second is of critical importance, because it speaks volumes to the transformation of “the Movement” (which it never really was, in our lifetime), into “The Cause,” and that “Cause” is focusing explicitly around the issues of RACE, and addressing those on behalf of the White RACE, and explicitly defines and criticizes the enemies of the RACE, without weasel-wording, or loose, vapid, intellectual words of equivocation.

The second issue deals with the fact that Stormfront has become, in one moment, damn near the Cult of Stromfront, whereas we, at VNN, simply confront the issues head-on, full-power, with an intellectual honesty and moral integrity that terrifies the Soft Appeasers of Stromfront.

Thus, even as Stromfront is slowly transformed into the American version of the BNP – “paste jewel of middle-class respectability,” New Orleans Protocol, and all that – the softness of Stromfront is balanced by ever-greater certainty of the righteousness of “The Cause” by VNN.

That is the deeper issue – the ONE issue Stromfront will not go near; do we really need such organizations as political entities at all, or should we take the best, and leave the rest?

Try this at home – look at Stromfront, and ask yourself, “What do they stand for? What ONE message do they send out?”

They sends out so many messages, around so many themes, it almost like they want to be the foundation of a political movement, today, and a political party, in time. This fluidity of messages means no single message gets out – and successful movements start with ONE message, repeated endlessly.

Now, look at VNN, and EVERYTHING keys off Four Words:

NO JEWS, JUST RIGHT.

Look at Peter Shank – Three Words – FAMILY, RACE, CULTURE.

Those are the choices facing us, and all of the choices we face fit into those seven words.

ANY question, on ANY social issue, can be correctly addressed in the context of those Seven Words.

VNN will never be the BNP; Stormfront MIGHT want to be an American BNP, but will have to be ever more “tolerant” to do so.

Think Kevin would fit in with them?

Yes.

GWM wrote:
All that said, I think that Strom is a pretty talented writer. I share his professed political and philosophical views, and I like the National Vanguard site a lot. I wish he was still editing it. Like I said, I wish that normal people with the same talents were out in front. But lacking such people, I am would be happy to see Strom return, weird sexual and asethetic tastes and all. We need to use the talents of all people, even weird ones, if we are going to win.

In reply:
This changes the issue; if Strom were ONLY a “writer,” that would ne one thing.

I suspect he aspires to Leadership status, and that’s something else altogether.

And, if your definition of “weird” includes what he is in jail for, I suspect “weird” is far too gentle a term.

If there is a tragedy here – and there is – it might all stem from Strom’s possibly seeking “the paste jewel of middle-class respectability” by getting married to anything other than “the Cause.”

If he had done that, and focused his efforts on that, alone, he might well be the intellectual heir to Pierce, instead of what he seems to be today, a sad, broken shell of what we was, who no one trusted before, and no one at all trusts, now.

GWM wrote:
AN IMPORTANT PROVISIO: I would not mind Strom taking a role in the movement, as long as his wierdness has remained in the realm of fantasy, and he has not actually violated the innocence of any little girl. I also would not blame the parents of little girls for keeping him away from their children.

But this movement does not consist of little girls, so the majoity of us have nothing to fear from dealing with the little creep, and much to gain by keeping his talents at work.

Does my attitude offend? Do you feel a fit or moral pique coming on? Are you planning to posture and preen just a bit below this point in the comments section? Chances are . . .

In reply:
I suspect that, as “The Movement” – old, tired, failed shell of its younger days – transforms into “The Cause” – something that quietly attracts TOMORROW”S Charles Lindbergh, TOMORROW’S Edison’s, TOMORROW’S Griffith’s – such role as Kevin Alfred Strom may seek will be the result of human nature, and his abilities, seeking their own level, in the very open, and very competitive marketplace of ideas, and Ideals the Internet offers us.

I suspect that we will simply flow around him, as he stands proudly in dress uniform on the deck of the softly sinking H.M.S. “Pinafore.”

Stromfront has plenty of money, and will probably keep him in a back office somewhere, after his incarceration has ended – if Elisha let’s him!

GWM wrote:
Whites are a strange race. We are willing to indulge in fits of moral puritanism, EVEN WHEN IT IS COLLECTIVELY DISADVANTAGEOUS. Why is that? And is it a behavior pattern that will help us or hurt us in the struggle with the other races for dominion over this planet?

in reply:
What you call “moral puritanism” is NOT “puritanism” – it’s the moral firewall be build between our moral foundations, and those who would oppose it, especially from within, in the name of “tolerance” and “acceptance.”

Remember, the first duty of a moral system is to define the path of safety, and growth, for the RACE – the First Principle is Survival, and the Second Principle is Growth.

Tolerance of pedophiles fails both tests, spectacularly; as they attack the very foundation of our RACIAL future, our Children.

Pedophilia, which is supported for the goddamn JEWS in the Torah, never made it into the moral codes and laws of our RACE, and even then, is mostly supported for the goddamn JEWS to practice on the children of Gentiles…

Intolerance is our heritage; students of Christianity know that Jesus was the most intolerant man who ever walked the planet, never forgiving anyone for anything.

We are intolerant, as was Christ, because our DUTY to our RACE requires we support the best, and keep the rest as far away as possible. Does anyone remember what policy Jesus recommended for child molesters? That’s right – the death penalty, with the reminder that what He had in store for them was even worse…

GWM wrote:
Do the Jews and Blacks worry that their leaders are immoral, as long as they are advancing their collective interests? Hell, not even the French worry about that.

In reply:
Oh, by the way, speaking of “immorality,”

Earlier you wrote, “On top of that, the homophobia of National Vanguard just seems like protesting too much..”

In reply:
You addressed two groups – the first group, the goddamn JEWS and the Colored only see “morality” as victory, by any means necessary. This will keep them in the mud, where they deserve each other.

The seocnd group, the French, tolerate “immorality” only in the personal romantic lives of their leaders; their standard is “fully informed consenting adults.” Wives know when their husband has a mistress, and husbands never know when they are being cuckolded; a certain elegant moral symmetry presents itself…

And, remember, to the French, such “immorality” does not pose a threat to the RACIAL purpose.

I understand the French are pretty damn ruthless when it comes to pedophiles, and, quite frankly, it has been a long time since they were a force to be reckoned with.

I suspect the same is true for Kevin Alfred Strom, and will be so for some time to come.

Kevin, and his writings.

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

With a tip of the hat to New America and so I’m not misunderstood about my Rules of Evidence comment: I’m not under any illusion that the Rights of Englishmen, such as due process and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty by something other than a smear in the court of public opinion, will be preserved within the current justice system. I’m simply arguing that White Men have the responsibility to apply reasonable standards of evidence, which I think are articulated clearly in federal and most state rules of evidence. Men do in fact get the governments they collectively deserve and, as Mencken said, all decent men are ashamed of their government. Our task, it seems to me, is to be decent men.

Saddened by the news of Mr. Kevin A. Strom, I have been reading much about him and perusing the photographs of him to see if I could infer any inkling or psychic residue of his alleged inclinations towards pedophilia.

I have noticed one thing, and perhaps those of you who knew him could verify my observations.

Kevin seems to have a body that is too small for his head. A “normal” adult man’s shoulders are as wide as twice the length of his head. Kevin’s shoulders seem to be almost in childlike proportions to his head. This indicates a small body.

Also, his arms seem to lack muscle tone, but they match his childlike body.
Mr. Strom, I would judge, was not only in childish body type, but could have possibly been of short heighth.

These obervations are in no way meant to be a negative evaluation of Mr. Strom. I am just advancing my observations — I do not know where they will lead or if they even have any meaning. However, the “short-man syndrome” comes to mind. I will continue to meditate on how this body symetry affects the chakras and psychology of such an individual.

Mr. Strom, from what I heard of his broadcasts, was very intelligent and was striving for a moral position consistent with his Aryan beliefs. It is to
be wondered if he ever even read the BhagavadGita. Who knows what he could have been, had his soul been healed by the words of the Gita or by one compassionate confidant. Perhaps if Mr. Strom would have replied to some of the e-mails I sent him, perhaps, and I say this humbly, I could
have helped.

However, I would be pleased if anyone could confirm my observations.

Namaste.

It really is child’s play to tear the White movement apart and waste its time, energy, and resources. All one has to do is dig up a real or merely alleged psychological or moral fault in public figure, especially one with a following. This is not hard to do, because so many people in this movement, especially the ones who are willing to take a public stand, are wierd. If a person is wierd enough to expose himself to the diapprobation the establishment saves for our views, chances are he is wierd in other ways as well.

Then you merely denounce said individual, and sit back and laugh while his followers divide into camps and have it out. There are two main camps: those who accept the allegations and hasten to show that they are virtuous people by joining in the condemnations, and those who deny the allegations and defend their man. Both sides are united in the premise that if the charges are true, they cannot associate with the person in question, because both sides agree that their individual reputation for moral purity is more important than working together to fight for the White race. So any organization composed of such people can be shattered easily. Like I said, it is child’s play for people like Bill White, who makes it his job to sow discord in our ranks.

And through a strange double standard, many of you are willing to set aside the many well-founded reservations you should have about Bill White’s character, because, after all, the message is one thing and the character of the messenger is another. But then you turn around and claim that a person like Kevin Strom, who is definitely wierd, but for all we know so far, may have kept his wierdness entirely in the realm of fantasy, cannot be associated with our cause, because any reservations about his character automatically impeach his message.

What a strange race we are.

If our race’s survival and flourishing really are our main concern, then I think it would be a lot more difficult to set us at one another’s throats.

Mr. Alex Linder,

I neither support nor do I disparage the valiant efforts of those such as Bill White, yourself, or even Kevin Alfred Strom on behalf of the White race, though I confess that I do not particularly care for Mr. Strom, and I never did. Mr. Strom is definitely an oddball, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he were a pedophile of sorts, though I am hoping I am wrong in this regard; such disgusting actions reflect badly upon White Nationalism.

All of that aside, young Mr. White strikes me as suspect due to his purported history as an anarchist and communist.

Ergo, I do not find him (Mr. White) trustworthy in a leadership position regarding White Nationalism, and I probably never will. He is much too ignorant, arrogant and sanctimoneous. In my opinion, he does not have enough years in our collective struggle to be worthy of such attention; he is no William Pierce. Dr. Pierce was an educated man; Mr. White is not. As for young Mr. White’s opinion of what I may have to say, I do not care what he may think of my remarks; for a leopard cannot change its spots.

That said, I must point out that some of Mr. White’s observations strike me as very ill-informed, id est, regarding the religion of Islam. For the record, I am an atheist, and have been an atheist for all of my life. Religion is man’s dubious attempt to explain the inexplicable; all of such dogmatic ontological sophistry is rooted in nothing. In my younger years I studied philosophy and comparative religion, and Mr. White’s remarks with regard to Islamic respect for the virtue of female children, or any other children for that matter, strains credulity.

Bluntly: Mohammed, Prophet of Islam, was in fact a pedophile, he was at first betrothed, and later married, a girl named Aisha, daughter of Abu Bakr. She was six years of age at the time of betrothal, nine years of age at her marriage, and the marriage was consummated when she was nine years of age. Mohammed was 54 at the time. Mohammed and his cohorts also practiced pederasty; id est, sexual contact between men and boys.

Many people believe that because Moslems despise Jews, they are friends of the White race. I loathe Jews too, but I equally detest Moslems. Simply remember that the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.

In closing, I candidly suggest that young Mr. White should pause and research his data more thoroughly, before posting such inaccurate commentary. It makes him appear ignorant to those of us who are educated. Perhaps he will find that by consulting the Hadiths (biographical histories of Mohammed Ibn Abdullah), he, and you as well, will find that my blunt assertions are true.

Kind Regards,

George Taylor

“alterboys”

in reply to -JC:
JC wrote:

Everyone has made mistakes. Everyone has baggage. Someone once said something like that if one is not liberal in his youth then he has no heart amd. if not conservative in manhood, then he has accumulated (accomplished, acquired) nothing. That resonated in me, having emotionally bought-into much emotional propaganda in my university days as a starving student. I recall how cynically and professorial-centric was the presentation of Comparative Religions (Philosophy 7). Most philosophy and other so called professors at my state university were considerably left of the mean and athiests if not communists, whether they recognized it or not. Many were Jews. I’ve said this many times before and it is my only negative criticism of VNN: I would not disparage religion for any number of reasons. It is the particular folly of youth to think they know it all and think to discount convention, traditional morality, the motivations and underpinnings of much that is valuable in civilization, etc., rather than conserve them.

Jeremiah was quoted above in a little less than this context: “And if thou say in thine heart, Wherefore come these things upon me? For the greatness of thine iniquity are thy skirts discovered, and thy heels made bare. Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil. Therefore will I scatter them as the stubble that passeth away by the wind of the wilderness. This is thy lot, the portion of thy measures from me, saith the LORD; because thou hast forgotten me, and trusted in falsehood.”

in reply:
Might I suggest that it is religions that must be constructively criticized, most of all?

Their leadership claims to speak on behalf of a man they have never met, on behalf of a God they could not begin to fully understand.

The problem is, each religions tends to reject the dynamic unfolding of God’s revelation to Man – “line upon line, precept upon precept.”

Each religion must be rigorously examined, with strong vigor.

Indeed, the unwillingness to accept change forces a retreat into fanaticism, today, and decadence – and irrelevance – tomorrow.

Goddamn JUDAISM, for example, claims to be a religion; yet, the more closely you examine it, the more it is nothing more than a tool for one tribe, one RACE, to control and dominate others. If we did not rigorously question their created word, JUDEOChristianity, for example, we would not understand that this word was deliberately crafted as a propaganda tool, based on a literal oxymoron. After all, goddamn JUDAISM and Christianity are two completely opposite, diametrically opposed, faiths, yet the goddamn JEWS encourage you to believe otherwise – indeed, the hook-nosed Satanists simply want you to accept Judaism as the foundation of Christianity, and not the more spiritually relevant religion of Zoroastrianism.

-JC wrote:
That said, I think it is a waste of time to give much consideration to ADMITTED homosexuals any more than pedophiles. Among decent men, like it or not, sexual deviants may be allowed to live but they will not be considered leaders. I think that is the fatal flaw in the Catholic priesthood: Those inclined against marriage are either going to be inclined toward nuns or alterboys; better to appoint leaders with openly normal desires and lives. not to mention a personal investment in the future through their offspring. I think this natural male aversion to deviance has survival value for the race and those promoting tolerance and diversity, e.g., feminism, lesbianism, gay, and (God help us) transgendered behavior in our midst, not to mention race (breed, subspecies, whatever) are perverting the most critical of our instincts toward preserving good breeding. It is one thing to have a pet dog of questionable lineage, especially when much stupidity favoring form over function, for example, has gone into the artificial selection. But, it is quite another to expect to breed a farm dog from a German Shepherd (working breed) with a Black Lab (sporting/bird dog) and expect none will be inclined to kill chickens.

in reply:
This paragraph began with the theme of tolerating perversion – “ADMITTED homosexuals” – and ended with where such tolerance always leads – the death of the innocents, and the destruction of the good by the Bad.

If your example is so correct for mere canines, how much more correct is it for the negation of positive masculinity as a crucial factor in the development of Civilization?

By definition, a homosexual is not simply the absence of a man; it is the the negation, displacement, and replacement of a real man – positive masculinity – with its exact opposite.

Look at the experience of the Colored with welfare in the inner cities, starting with the War on Poverty. Men were replaced by their earning power equivalent; the unique spiritual qualities of men were removed from the Colored, and deviancy took unfettered flight. Drugs, casual whoredom, casual bastardy and massive illegitimacy, gangs on a scale to terrify, and no masculine teachers in the school system; indeed, no men, no positive male role models, to be found. Is there any doubt in your mind that homosexuality is rampant in the Colored community, and THAT is the intergenerational effect of removing real man, positive men, and replacing them with women, and homos.

You probably notice the same factors at work in the white community, as well; indeed, one more generation should pretty much bring us to parity.

-JC wrote:
A little common sense, please: Why would one want to appoint a eunuch, for whatever reasons he is a eunuch, to a professorial or governmental position on population policy? Clinton, if I recall correctly, in his zeal to court the loose coalition of various sexual perverts and People of Color, appointed a lesbian as head of Health & Human Services. One wonders at whether there is intelligent life on earth.

in reply:
You would appoint such a person if you want to destroy an institution from within.

Why would you allow pedophiles to be leaders of Boy Scout troops?

Your SOLE purpose it to destroy, from within.

That pretty much sums up the goddamn JEWS in America, doesn’t it?

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

*sigh* Once again, Kevin’s defenders seem to be more focused on attacking Bill White, which is one thing, at the expense of the truth, which is something else.

So…

clay wrote:
16 January, 2007 at 11:23 pm

Did anyone take a serious look at the “contract”
between Strom and his wife concerning alleged
concerns with pedophilia? Bill “Whacky White”
White had it posted on his rag. One problem:
On the document Strom crossed out his appointment
schedule from “every other week” and changed
it to “twice a month” and initialed it. I may be intoxicated, but the last
I knew biweekly meant twice a month.

in reply:
“Biweekly” does mean “every other week,” and is ONE WAY to interperet the terms, “twice a month.” However, if you fail to attend the sessions on the precise basis of “every other week,” you are in default of the agreement.

However, an alternative of “twice a month” meets the spirit of “twice a month,” with the flexibility that minimizes the chances of being held in technical default of the agreement.

clay wrote:
As I chided “Whacky White,” I’m sure if he ever locates the
second page of the document Strom probably changed
his appointment times from a quarter after 9:00 to 9:15.
Bill “Whacky White” White responded to me by sending
a link to a supposed search warrent for Strom’s computer;
however, said warrant never gave Strom’s name or his
address…and included a docket number handwritten in!
Docket numbers are assigned to civil and criminal litigation
after a case has been filed, not assigned to search warrants
before a case has even been filed. Do not take too seriously the documents that “Whacky White” posts to his site.

in reply:
Here’s an idea.

Go to the courthouse website, and download the filings from the case directly, so you can see for yourself that Kevin is NOT in jail because of some “agreement.”

No.

From what I can see, the legal authorities have actually charged him with violations of the law. Certainly, these documents should be taken seriously by one and all; these documents, and the ones to follow.

Here’s another idea:

Contact Elisha Strom, and have her go on VNN or STROMfront Radio, live, and tell one and all whether or not the document White posted is authentic.

I suspect that what seems to have been a marital dispute might well lead to a LOT more than fragmented .jpg files before this is all over.

This, by the way, might be seen as a blessing in disguise (well, except for Kevin and Elisha, of course!). A lot of the remarkably unsuccessful Movement” is being removed, one way or another, and the organic development of “The Cause” – with a new, worthwhile, organically founded Leadership, is free to come forth, openly and honestly.

Think the Stroms can pass the same test of openness and intellectual honesty that Linder and White can?

Didn’t think so.

Regardless, as this unfolds, I suspect more names associated with “the Movement’ and STROMfront will be coming to our attention, and it won’t be for anything anyone should be proud of.

Incidentally, note that Strom’s defenders can come here and defend him, AND deviant sexual practices, AND attack Bill White, while their supporters at STROMfront close the thread dealing with Kevin’s misfortunes.

Finally, a note of context: in the age of the Internet, so many people are developing creative alternatives to “the Movement” – Bill White’s National Socialist model of government for us, Harold Covinton’s novels dealing with the development of a National Socialist Nation in a future American Republic, VNN’s radio shows and local blogs – all without the support, or approval, of Kevin Alfred Strom or his associates at STROMfront.

By the way, nobody at VNN signed on to the “New Orleans Protocol.”

Did Elisha Strom?

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

in reply (at least in part) to George Taylor:

George Taylor wrote:
*snip*
Moving on, Mr. White’s posting of Strom’s alleged “contract” with Elisha strikes me a very poorly photoshopped hack job (please note that the upper and lower portions of the “contract” are slightly different in color and tone).

in reply:
If this “alleged ‘contract'” between Kevin and Elisha Strom is a “very poorly photoshopped hack job,” it is the work of one phone call from Elisha to STROMfront or VNN to discredit it. She certainly didn’t call VNN last night, when she had all of the opportunities to do so…

I haven’t heard that phone call, or seen her repudiate it, either on STROMfront or on VNN.

Relax, George; after all that is going on with l’affaire Strom, we should be seeing and hearing all manner of truly exciting tales in the weeks and months to come.

All of these, of course, will simply prove Alex Linder is right; the day of “the Movement,” with one all-knowing Leader, is OVER.

George Taylor wrote:
Honestly, considering the position that the slowly perishing white race is in, such idiocy reminds me of the squabbling of moronic children. Enemies surround us, and a select group of ignorant jackasses prefer to fight among themselves. Verily, with “leaders” like this, we are doomed as a subspecies of those called man.

in reply:
This is a very substantial point.

How many of us went how far, for how long, through conventional politics, conservatism, libertarianism, what have you, to finally realize the ONE INSIGHT that gives the goddamn JEWS so much success:

It ALL comes down to RACE.

EVERYTHING after that is a footnote.

This is the Mindset the hook-nosed Satanists carry into all situations, the one tool that WORKS, and the one tool we reject for ourselves.

The good news is, we are finally accepting the responsibility to be what we want the world to become.

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

Typical inane, pointless, ad hominem diatribe coming from the poison pen of young Mr. White, written as the white race continues to sink like the Titanic. I submit that my point is proven, Q.E.D.

in (partial) reply to George Taylor, tying this back to the topic:

George Taylor Says:

*snip*written as the white race continues to sink like the Titanic. I submit that my point is proven, Q.E.D.

in reply:
This is, in part, what separates the “VANGUARD” News Network from the balance of “White Nationalist” organizations.

VNN seems to paraphrase the idea that, just as everything with a face is not human, everything that is Caucasian is not “White”; more on point, that most of those who call themselves “White” are defining their RACE solely in terms of “White” genetics.

Nonsense.

I suspect that a substantial minority of the “White” population is the best we can hope for; given our present circumstances, we just might be leaving a substantial majority of our nominally racial brethren what they say they want, until they want what only we have to offer.

And what do we have to offer?

One, we offer the cold, hard, disciplined ruthlessness needed to see clearly and act honestly on the central issue of RACE, in particular, RACE as the Living Bridge between Family and Culture – WESTERN Culture, and WESTERN Civilization.

Two, we offer no illusions as to the generations of focused, disciplined efforts we need to get to where we need to be – Our RACE, in Our NATION, in Our COUNTRY.

Three, this includes the realization that no central organization has “the Answer,” and the only source of true power is the acceptance of our personal responsibility to our RACE, first, foremost, forever.

This requires a degree of openness to criticism, intellectual honesty, and moral clarity that has been the case among our “Leadership,” more as the rare exception, than the rule.

These are qualities that Stormfront’s transformation (by censorship) into STROMfront shows how rare they are, in practice, and how necessary they are, in practice.

As always, don’t take my word for it.

Ask Kevin and Elisha Strom.

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

You know, I thought ol Bitch Tits was going off on one of his estrogen inspired rages when he accused StromFront of being by pedophiles. But after reading about this involvement with convicted pedophile pervert Joe Fields, and Kevin Storm I can say even if they all dont molest children, they do all associate with child molestors, and [i]watch out for them[/i]

Donnie Black has banned as many people from ShalomFront as Fields has been convicted of pedophilia, which is about half a dozen. I suppose like Jerry\’s jewy wife, and JJT, Fields is just [i]beyond reproach[/i]

When I was growing-up in rural Northern Virginia, during the era protrayed in The Good Shepherd, one occasionally heard, “That was White of you.” It meant decent, civilized.

When Matt Damon’s character, a fictional-version of Angleton spun to as to have no apparent connection to Israeli intelligence, confronts the reality that his son was photographed and taped with a Black, Soviet asset, whom he planned to marry, something interesting happens. Damon’s Soviet counterpart allows Damon space and dignity, acknowledging that he understands Damon does not want the woman in his family, and– for free– has the young woman pushed from the plane in which she is flying to the wedding. That was “White” of the Russian, if ever I’ve seen White. I agree that we need to understand who our people actually are and who are our enemies, regardless of their genetics.

DeNiro, like Gibson, too left-leaning for my taste, frequently has a lot to say about the big picture however, top ratings not necessarily withstanding. Both, I think, get people thinking and it is not necessarily bad that they take substantial liberties with facts. For example, what if Gibson had attempted to point-out that Longshanks wasn’t all bad and was responsible for getting the Jews out of business and the nation?

“Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking together in the same direction.”
— Antoine de Saint-Exupery
Thought I’d throw that out there!
14/88!!!

in reply:

Antagonistes made an excellent point, which, under the circumstances, doesn’t seem to matter all that much.

I suspect that the greater issue is not whether or no Kevin is guilty of possessing and distributing certain pictures, or even whether or not he entered into a contractual agreement to seek counseling for pedophilia. (Although Elisha still doesn’t seem to have contacted Stormfront or VNN to dispute the photo or such a contract, or even the existence of such a contract.)

No, the issue is not even freedom of expression concerning the topic of Kevin’s recent Adventures In Incarceration.

The issue is, and this expresses the issue in a quite elegant microcosm, what exactly is the future of the “White Nationalist ‘Movement,'” which seems to have gained new life, and purpose, as “the Cause.”

The old model of hierarchical structures has been replaced, and the ability to quickly create connections, gain information, and test hypotheses, is allowing us to go around the mechanistic model of the past, into something that is more organic, and much more stable, in its own way.

Think of the old hierarchy as being like a dam – everything went one way, the flow of information and resources went one way, and everything was at the mercy of whoever controlled the floodgates.

Those days are OVER, and, while I take nothing away from Kevin’s skills as a propagandist – his tracks for the National Vanguard are masterful (“Whatever happened to us?”), and as analyst and as a speechwriter, it is no less true that fifty years ago his incarceration would have been a stunning body blow to us.

Instead, we flow around him, and grow, in his absence.

Frank Roman’s work for National Vanguard stands on its own merits, filling the gap of Kevin’s absence – that gap, and more.

We are growing, and we are growing quickly – once people can accept the Truth, and SEE the common thread of RACE defining so much, they come to accept us, in part, today, and in whole, tomorrow. In time, they move form tolerance, to acceptance, to participation, and create a greater unity than we could ever have in earlier times.

Incidentally, might we look at l’affaire Strom in one light that many of us refuse to accept, and that is to imagine what Kevin might have done, what he might have become, if he had forsworn, in Alex Linder’s elegant formulation, “the paste jewel of middle-class respectability?”

No wives, no children, but the children of a Nation yet to be as his intellectual heirs…

I suspect he still, at this late date, has two choices.

One choice is to remain broken on the wheel of the System, forever scorned, forever mocked, and essentially fated to jobs well beneath his abilities forever.

The other choice is to recognize that a man with nothing has nothing to lose, and work constructively on constructively abandoning what has already abandoned him, the elements of “the paste jewel of middle-class respectability.”

I don’t presume to know what he should do; however, when you have lost everything you valued, you soon realize who your friends are – you won’t need to fingers of one hand to count them – and how little time you have to accomplish anything, and how few moments you can afford to waste.

I suspect, taking nothing away from Kevin, that he has misspent decades trying to serve two masters – “the paste jewel of middle-class respectability,” and the future of the White RACE.

I suspect the one has been forever foreclosed to him, and he can start over on the other Path, or live a miserable existence trying to put new wine in old bottles.

I am offering this idea in the belief that you have a moral duty to not just criticize, but to constructively criticize, by offering solutions, however frail they may seem.

At the Institutional level, the water has flowed around the dam of Stromfront, bringing new life to the parched lands over which it flows.

VNN has been criticized for being straightforward, no-compromise, straight-ahead full-on fighters; more like UFC than the dancers of Stormfront.

Ten years ago, it was inconceivable that VNN would even draw attention, much less a rapidly growing audience.

I think it is due, in part, because VNN is like Nature; it is fairly ruthless in its defense of its prerogatives, and puts RACE first by identifying the Prime Threat to the RACE without compromise.

I think if Pierce walked the Earth today, he would be on Free Talk Live almost daily. He rejected “the paste jewel of middle-class respectability” to serve his RACE, under harsh and trying circumstances.

I also think if Pierce walked the Earth today, he would take Kevin aside and tell him he can not serve two masters; he would have to choose, and choose now.

I also think if Pierce walked the Earth today, he would forego the attempt for trying to reach the masses – the ones who will matter will be led to the Truth, sooner or later, one way or another, and VNN will be there reminding them of the Real Enemy, and the Eternal Battle.

This response has rambled a bit, and I’m sorry for that, but I think this is a pivotal moment for us, the moment where we take the first steps out of the crib of “the Movement,” and develop “the Cause” as a living spiritual force in our lives.

Kevin’s situation says a lot; unspoken, it says much more, I think, about the folly of pursuing “the paste jewel of middle-class respectability” than many of us feel comfortable dealing with.

I suspect it is an issue we shall all have to deal with, one way or another, all too soon, as the middle-class becomes the lower class, and a rapidly expanding underclass sweeps all they value underfoot, never to return without a hard struggle, ultimately leading to a new NATION in our hearts, a new RACE in our souls, and a new place where we, and our posterity, can live in peace, and none will make afraid.

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

Written by an anonyomous supporter:

THE BAD-MOUTHER

Around the bonfire, in the midst of a small group, or even on the front liner or at the top of a group or organisation, there sits the potential for a cunning & crafty lipped devil. The type of person who only talks bad about other people in the White Power movement. This person says one thing to one person & say a completely contradictory thing to another person. His lips are constantly flapping. A veritable soap opera of never ending double talk, innuendo, rumour mongering & manoeuvring constitutes this persons’ entire universe. They have one goal & one goal only: to uplift themselves by destroying others in the movement. Usually this person cares nothing for the movement or his/her race. They are probably profiteers, leeches & bloodsuckers who have a financial interest as a primary motivator. They blame their own inadequacies on others. They cover their own mistakes by pointing fingers. They can never take responsibilities for their actions because the bad-mouther is a pathological liar who believes his own lies. They are obsessively covetous. Any attempt to alert the bad-mouther of his ways will only be seen by the bad-mouther as part of the game, another ploy in the chess match. Years of therapy might help unravel the meandering maze of this sick mind… but l doubt it… because the bad-mouther’s whole world is built on a foundation of lies. The truth is only seen as a crack in the foundation & must be patched up with whatever is available. Usually its the crap bucket of more lies that acts as mortar for the bad-mouther. lf the bad-mouther ever ever began to admit to his/her ways, it could very well lead to a complete nervous breakdown. You see, the entire psyche of the bad-mouther is built upon the rotten edifice of lies & delusions. An intricate web of self deceit & false images prop up the false sense of self-worth this type of person needs to confirm their pathetic existence. The bad-mouther will lose many hours of sleep obsessing on how to undermine others he is jealous of or covetous of. The bad-mouther perceives more talented people as a threat. He thinks of them as enemies unless he can use them to his/her benefit. He/she might think to themselves “how dare that asshole make that project. He thinks he’s so smart, l’ll show him!” The bad-mouther assumes that other people are playing the same game as he is. That’s what justifies his actions, in short “I’ll get him before he gets me!”

The bad-mouther has very low self esteem. Deep down behind walls of detours, the bad-mouther knows what he is. He/she sees the successes of others as a threat to their own personal self worth. You will notice the bad-mouther saying the most absurd things about others in the movement that have achieved more than they have. People in the movement have got to be happy when others succeed. lf you can’t be happy at that, the movement doesn’t need you around. lf you can’t share the joys of someone else’s growth then you should look at yourself in the mirror & not subject others to ridicule & scorn because you’re a jealous little snot with a nose full of acne.

The bottom line: When you hear a person badmouthing others in the movement challenge his/her statements. The common things you’ll hear are “He’s a Jew”. “He’s a fed.” “She’s a commie.” “He’s a pervert.” “He said this or she said that.” “He hit on my girlfriend/wife.” “She’s a slut.” ad. nauseum. The bad-mouther will usually tell you these things under the guise of strict confidence. The bad-mouther will usually tell someone else something about you under the same guise of confidence. Thus does the bad-mouther weave his diabolical web. Every one becomes suspicious. No one sits down and adds 2+2. But at the centre of it all the manipulating bad-mouther benefiting from the situation. He rules by misinformation & double talk. Subterfuge is his middle name. He/she is often very convincing but there are usually no facts backing up his statements except “trust me” when pushed for specifics, the bad-mouther becomes very angry. Try it.

bad-mouthers are sick pathological lying destroyers who out of jealousy & low self esteem will stop at nothing to preserve their self erected soap opera dung-house of delusions. They have no talent so they lash out at those who do. They are the most potentially damaging individuals lurking in the movement today. (Wolves in sheep’s clothing) They are worse than the Jew because so many people believe the lies of the bad-mouther. There is no place now nor will there ever be for this type of disease wasted flesh. Stop them now or you could very well be the next victim of their vicious campaign of lies, Avoid them like the plague, The bad-mouther is the bastard son of the Jew. He/she is worse than ZOG, Losers will lose everything unless they keep their forked tongue disease infested rat traps shut!

Note: This articles’ intent is not to indict any specific individual or person or persons, it’s purpose is solely to reflect the opinion of the author concerning a growing phenomenon within the general movement. Furthermore, there is obviously a discernible difference between the methodology of badmouthing & ho0nest enquiry as to the nature of groups & individuals. Asking a respected comrade his or her opinion in regard to groups & individuals is quite different from the defamation the bad-mouther employs. I’m confident that our readers are agile enough to interpret one from another.

Addendum Just to point out… when referring to the bad-mouther the authoress is identifying someone who believes themselves to be a loyal white warrior. Even though there are a growing number of traitors & spies in our movement, this article pinpoints & focuses on one particular psychological manifestation.

THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO TO THE bad-mouther IS TO IGNORE HIM. WITHOUT A VERBAL OUTLET (ENABLE HIS UNIVERSE OF MISINFORMATION WILL IMPLODE, RENDERING HIM IMPOTENT & EXPOSED. NONSENSE WILL BECOME HIS ONLY FRIEND. DELUSION HIS ONLY RETREAT. DEATH HIS ONLY PEACE.

With acknowledgement to the NSM, PO Box 580669, Minneapolis, Mn. 55458, USA

In The Awakening of White America(THE WHITE WORLD!!!)
Wolf
14/88!!!
(Any news on Matt Downing?)

As regards leaders–

I have been reading, on the internet, the book entitled, The Religious Attitude of the Indo-Europeans, by Professor Gunther.

They (we) did not put much stock in “leaders,” especially in matters of religion and conscience. And the “leaders” that they did acknowledge were proven in the nitty-gritty of everyday life.

It is as if they are saying, Every Aryan man can find the truth; no messiahs, no special revelations needed.