30 December, 2007

VNNB Free Talk Live – December 29th 2007

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A show about Ron Paul, and in particular, Bill White’s attitude to him.

Hosted by Mishko Novosel, with guests John DeNugent, Dietrich, Bud White and VonBluvens.


  • 23 Responses to “VNNB Free Talk Live – December 29th 2007”

    1. -jc Says:

      This just in from Edgar J. Steele:

      http://www.ConspiracyPenPal.com

      Thank you…

      For the many kind words concerning my December 28 appearance on James Edwards’ “The Political Cesspool.” For those who missed it and have asked for a link, you may access their archive of the show here: The Political Cesspool 12/28/07 (TN) Fast forward to about a half hour into the show for the beginning of my half-hour segment.

      Fox News and the NH GOP exclude Ron Paul from the NH forum

      Here is an email I just sent out concerning the upcoming Fox News Forum that Ron Paul has been barred from joining. If you are as outraged as am I, then I encourage you to communicate with these people, too…..

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      From: Edgar J. Steele [mailto:[email protected]]
      Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 4:08 PM
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      Subject: Fox News and the NH GOP exclude Ron Paul from the NH forum

      So you think you have received lots of emails protesting your exclusion of Ron Paul from the televised Fox News pre-NH Presidential Primary Forum set for Jan 6 on the campus of St. Anselm College? You haven’t even begun to see email.

      Nor have you seen the power of the Internet when turned into a boycott, quite aside from the numerous issues of Federal Election law media access violations on your parts.

      All Dr. Paul ever has sought is fair play – a level playing field. Yet you insist upon rigging the game.

      Ron Paul is the only Presidential candidate in the past century who has been hoisted up spontaneously by the people of America and proclaimed to be our champion, time and again, by being first in fund raising, first in straw polls, first in telephone polls, first in tv polls and first in on-line polls.

      Yet, he is the very man whom you deem not important enough to include in the final pre-election New Hampshire debate!!!

      Are you guys out of your minds? You don’t really think we are going to let you get away with this, do you?

      So much for “Live Free or Die.” Turn in your license plates, you hypocrites!

      Of course, by now we all just laugh out loud when we hear “Fair and balanced,” or “We report, you decide,” from the dark forces at the Faux News Channel. In fact, it has gotten so bad that, if I am unsure how to feel about an issue, all I need do is tune in to the Faux News Channel and then adopt the opposite of whatever the evil emperor’s minions are pushing.

      I’m taking the liberty of bccing this to almost 20,000 of my closest friends throughout America. You don’t mind, do you? I’m sure that many of them will want to share with you, too.

      Edgar J. Steele
      _______________________________________________________
      Ron Paul Excluded from New Hampshire Forum by Fox News and NH GOP

      http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/94/has-fox-news-excluded-ron-paul/
      Ron Paul 2008 Press Release 12/28/2007 10:39 pm EST

      ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – According to the New Hampshire State Republican Party and an Associated Press report, Republican presidential candidate and Texas Congressman Ron Paul will be excluded from an upcoming forum of Republican candidates to be broadcast by Fox News on January 6, 2008.

      “Given Ron Paul’s support in New Hampshire and his recent historic fundraising success, it is outrageous that Dr. Paul would be excluded,” said Ron Paul 2008 campaign chairman Kent Snyder. “Dr. Paul has consistently polled higher in New Hampshire than some of the other candidates who have been invited.”

      Snyder continued, “Paul supporters should know that we are continuing to make inquiries with Fox News as to why they have apparently excluded Dr. Paul from this event.”

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      Here are a few relevant New Hampshire media addresses, too, for you folks on the bcc distribution of this email:

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      For an interesting hour+ documentary on Fox News and precisely why and how it is so unfair and unbalanced:

      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428

      -ed

    2. -jc Says:

      The Political Cesspool link: http://americacast.ezstream.com/play/index.cfm?fuseaction=asx&broadcastid=E618E13E0&rand=3914&intro=0&Org=acast&CFID=4130838&CFTOKEN=75466439&CFID=4130838&CFTOKEN=75466439

    3. -jc Says:

      December 29, 2007

      The Iowa caucus and the New Hampshire primary are only a few days away. Wyoming, Michigan, Nevada, South Carolina, Florida and Maine will soon follow. But on February 5th, nearly 20 other states will hold their contests on the same day! That’s right. In just six short weeks, the Republican nominee for president will likely be determined.

      As Wikipedia explains: “In the Spring of 2007, upwards of 20 states with over half the delegates to the national conventions moved to change their primary dates to 5 February 2008, creating the largest ‘Super Tuesday’ to date. Newswriters and political pundits have noted that this will dwarf the Super Tuesday primaries in previous cycles, creating a ‘Giga Tuesday’ or ‘Super Duper Tuesday.'”

      A year’s worth of work is coming down to the next several weeks. Victory can be ours. But we must triple our efforts and triple the amount of money raised right away.

      To run radio and television ads in 20 states simultaneously will cost a fortune. Not to mention the cost of voter contact mailings to those 20 states. And then there is the cost of contacting hundreds of thousands of people by phone. All of this, plus other projects, will cost $23 million more than we presently have in the bank.

      The progress we’ve made in 11 months is phenomenal. The dedication, creativity, generosity, and just plain hard work by you and tens of thousands of other Americans have already made history.

      But we are not finished making history! First, Ron Paul becomes the Republican nominee. Second, Dr. Paul becomes President Paul. Third, our country becomes America again.

      The time is now. Please make your most generous donation today. https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/

      Sincerely,

      Kent Snyder
      Chairman, Ron Paul 2008

    4. Olde Dutch Says:

      I really don’t think that John Edwards is all that far out on race. After all he is married to a White woman, and he has four White kids.

      Naturally, Edwards does talk a lot of “New South” politics. But, from the folks I’ve met who know him in North Carolina, the impression I get, is that they are not sure if Italians etc. are really White folks. LOL.

      Edwards needs work on the “Jew York” issues like immigration, and homos—the issues we find repulsive & un-natural. But, we really haven’t drawn any lines with the Southern populist—Edwards.

      I think Edwards might be malleable.

    5. Coup d'Etat Says:

      Oh, yes, such a democracy we have with fair elections and free speech for all presidential candidates. Such things of the past now. Communism is the modern forte’ for which the enemies put forth without shame and without conscience. Any reports from the U.S. to make a country with democracy is just another lie for which the enemies force their evil will upon a naive nation.

    6. sgruber Says:

      Mencken laughing at Democracy. Good stuff, esp. read aloud.

    7. -jc Says:

      There was never a more effective tool for genocide than that war of Northern Aggression: It took several entire generations of the fit, the brave, the dedicated, and many others, too, leaving the rest to breed and interbreed future generations. Carpetbaggers and those who’ve made Dallas-Fort Worth competing with Atlanta to be New York South started flooding-in immediately with reconstruction. But you think that Virginia, the Carolinas, and points West and South are a sorry mess racially, now, you just wait another generation if we don’t stop illegal immigration and the mass media. The next six weeks are going to reveal not only what America is made-of to the world, they are going to give us a lot un-American behavior to point-out and a lot of opportunity to consider what we’re going to do about it..

    8. -jc Says:

      Getting a “Database Error” on http://www.vnnforum.com so will post here:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T-iJKwskH4

      New, 30-second television spot on Ron Paul’s immigration plank from YouTube.

    9. New America Says:

      Some quick thoughts from a fast first listen:

      One, everyone needs to catch up with Bud White and test their equipment ahead of time. We’ve all had the gremlins in dealing with SKYPE, and a lot of them can be dealt with expeditiously in a non-real-time (unreal time?) situation?

      Two, de Nugent has a LOT to say, and says it well. He should be a mainstay of FTL, and maybe even a voice in the newest incarnation of GOYFIRE. He brings disciplined wisdom to the situation, and, God only knows, we can use all of that we can handle.

      Three, Mark did a great job articulating a position re Ron Paul. I think the larger issue is what Linder noted: By definition, “freedom” can only work in a White society. Paul is not against the demonic, soulless Satanists, the goddamn Jews, but neither is he for them, in any substantial way. That is as good as we are getting in this lifetime, absent some horrific events.

      We should take full advantage of this.

      I see the Paul vote as being like the Whigs in 1852; a major power, and then, in 1856, their disaffected members created the Fremont Candidacy for US President.

      In 1860 the Republicans won the US Presidency; yes, then won a plurality, but so did Clinton, and it seems to have worked out for him.

      The point is, as Linder noted, “In politics, things can change VERY quickly.”

      We must prepare and train for such times.

      A better example:

      1964, the most radical of the Conservative Republicans stood behind Goldwater, and went down to humiliating political defeat.

      They planned, organized, and got better.

      In 1980, Reagan did very well in the election for US President – the fulfillment of the fondest dreams Goldwater Republicans.

      Both Fremont and Goldwater had ideological purity that was transformed into a workable political philosophy, that eventually won out in practice.

      I have argued before – and do so again – that all of us should be involved in the Paul Campain; particularly in joining their “Meet-Ups,” particularly because we can see how the soulless demons known as Jews will try to take over the Campaign, and mold it for their demonic ends.

      We can LEARN from this, by learning how to frame the argument as not being AGAINST Israel, but FOR Freedom, AND Israel’s “freedom” to determine their own fate without American intervention.

      We can LEARN from seeing how the demons-in-shoe-leather known as Jews will try to control – and we can practice the debate tactics that will neutralize their Satanic plots.

      We can apply this useful skill in other areas of political life, both great and small.

      Hint.

      Von Bluvens did a good job of explaining some of Bill White’s thinking, without speaking for Bill White.

      As I understand Bill White’s position, he is arguing that, ultimately, democratic systems don’t work, and the energy we are putting into this one should be better spent in developing ourselves, organizing, and developing the Foundation for an eventual NS State.

      I would argue that working with the Paul Campaign is an easy way to gain the skills we would need to make White’s model – a White NS Homeland – a Reality.

      In this, White is not unlike Harold Covington; both recognize that the extant political system in not only antagonistic to us at a RACIAL level, it is also inherently doomed, and what WILL replace it, at least for a season, will call itself a “democracy,” just like the Soviet Union.

      One of the lessons in life it took me far too long to learn is this:

      You can not control, convince, or convert other people, save by your personal example.

      They that can not will, will not hear; those that can not see, will remain blind to the greater Truth.

      And that’s fine.

      Let’s learn from the best of what Bill White has to offer, and the best of what Ron Paul has to offer.

      Then, let’s use that learning for the benefit of our Family, as the microcosm of RACE, our RACE, as the macrocosm of Family, and RACE, as the Living Bridge between Family and Culture.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    10. Stronza Says:

      And how about James Garfield, the dark horse? Not a pretty story when he got shot, of course.

    11. New America Says:

      in reply to Stronza:

      you wrote:

      And how about James Garfield, the dark horse? Not a pretty story when he got shot, of course.

      in reply:
      Dark horses tend to be work horses, and not show horses.

      Paul has demonstrated he is a work horse with the simplest Idea in the world to define his campaign – “Freedom” – and yet, a word that represents an Idea that only the White RACE can make work as an Ideal.

      The big issues of the previous turning point campaigns relate well to this conception:

      Lincoln faced an internal economic collapse (the Panic of 1857), and internal political class warfare – slavery, and the panoply of states’ rights issues.

      Reagan faced an internal financial collapse – twenty percent prime rates, and external political challenges – the Iranian capture of the US hostages, whom Reagan referred to, not as “hostages,” but as “prisoners of war.”

      For us, substitute an internal financial collapse – the credit/collateral crisis; and for for slavery, substitute unchecked immigration, in general, and unchecked illegal immigration, in particular.

      Paul has defined the groundwork through which the White RACE can actually get back on track, and, eventually, be relieved of the burdens placed on it by the demons-who-walk-the-Earth known as Jews.

      SOMETHING is happening, and the hook-nosed Satanists KNOW it, and are trying desperately to pretend it isn’t there, on the one hand, and control it, on the other.

      And, if memory serves, Garfield served on the Electoral Commission that led to the overthrow of Reconstruction…

      Now, THAT’S “Freedom,” for the RACE.

      And, as for the numerous criticisms of Bill White, let’s not mince words:

      Bill White has succeeded where so many of our “Leaders” have failed, in defining an overarching model of national governance, at a RACIAL level.

      That he has taken on the personal responsibility to become a successful businessman, Creating his own economic power and security, is an example that too many of us tend to shy from.

      I am surprised that the Next Generation of us don’t apprentice ourselves to someone with his skills, both in finance, in construction, in real estate, and in politics.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    12. saltriver Says:

      Mishko-you won. I think what Von Bluevens was saying is that Ron Paul is still a politician. He would not and could not defend his asshole buddy Bill White. In my opinion Bill White is a jewtool.
      I really appreciate your sincerity and conviction. Keep on doing what you are doing. I appreciate fellow whites putting their ass on the line. Please don’t forget,you guys are our main line of defense.

    13. apollonian Says:

      Linder/VNN Must Renounce Equivocation Fallacy/Heresy
      (Apollonian, 30 Dec 07)

      Foremost Judeo-conspirators (see TheNewAmerican.com for expo/ref. on CFR-Bilderberg conspiracy) have most difficult problem: the cultural sea-change taking place as consequence to MIGHTY INTERNET and its devastating power of INFORMATION, so fatal and noxious to Jews. Note “Jews-media” (see Natall.com, “Who Rules America?” for expo/ref. on Jew media monopoly) steadily loses “market-share.”

      Of course conspirators cannot allow Ron Paul, and they’re quite desperate as they know things are culminating AGAINST THEM for this historic cycle of “Decline of the West,” by Oswald Spengler.

      Hence then people, patriots, and anti-semites must seek broadest possible alliance which is also reasonable and honest–much like anti-semites of Roman empire, 3rd and 4th centuries–founded upon and featuring that “catholicity” (commonality) for most effective anti-semitism–which achieved the only culture-wide anti-semitic victory known in history.

      Hence then anti-Christianity is counter-productive, Christianity understood as ABSOLUTE ANTI-SEMITISM (anti-Talmud–as Gosp. MARK 7:1-8), Hegelian anti-thesis to Talmudic murder, etc. See RevisionistHistory.org for excellent Talmudic expo.

      Thus Christianity must be understood for what it was originally meant to be: aesthetic (emotional/sentimental) bodyguard and complement to that traditional Western/Greek (hence Aristotelian) REASON, Christianity giving CONTEXT for preceding Greek reason.

      Hence then Linder/VNN must finally observe anti-Christ is anti-Reason, anti-white, and anti-human, and only aids Jew enemy which Jew monstrosity always operates behind lies, beginning in subjectivism (wherein there’s no difference btwn “truth” and lies, as there’s no criterion), working upon people’s HUBRIS–hence taking specific form of HERESY (and -complex/matrix), like (a) Pelagianism, (b) anti- or non-racism, and (c) especially, that most strategic “Judeo-Christianity” (JC–see Whtt.org and TruthTellers.org for expo/ref. on JC heresy).

      CONCLUSION: Linder/VNN and associated gentile legion must exorcize themselves of that gross anti-Christ devil, equivocation fallacy, which conflates the two opposites, Christian and Jew. For Jew is subjectivist insanity/monstrosity against Christian reason, health, benevolence, etc. Thus VNN must repent and reform in appropriate anti-semitic style: anti-semitic reason needs that “bodyguard” of Christian aesthetic (as per Kierkegaard). Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

    14. New America Says:

      Here’s a useful exercise.

      Take any Ron Paul speech, copy it and paste it into your word processor.

      Now, using the SEARCH and REPLACE function, replace the words “government” and “governmental” with JEWS, JEWISH, and JUDAISM.

      Advanced students might want to replace “Statist” and “Statism” with “JEWISH” and “JUDAISM.”

      My!

      Don’t certain patterns seem to present themselves?

      You might want to replace “FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD” with “JEWS,” as well, just to make it all the more easy to understand.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    15. Stronza Says:

      Sgruber, that article by Mencken on Democracy is, you’re right, hilarious. How on earth do you find these things (if you are not a Mencken aficionado, that is)! Bigeye.com is quite the Mulligan’s Stew.

    16. sgruber Says:

      Appy, what is Christian aesthetic? Christian art? Until the Renaissance, Christian art was poor as compared to that of ancient Greece.

      The active principle of the Renaissance was the addition of Greek thought to the underlying Christian culture. Not the addition of Christianity to Greek culture. The years 500 AD to 1200 AD were plenty of time for Christians to produce great art. Other than some wonderful cathedrals, they didn’t; they certainly didn’t come up with a Michaelangelo. Not to mention cultural achievements outside of art.

      Maybe you mean something other than art when you say aesthetics. It’s hard to tell. Just as a guess, do you mean maybe that you grew up around some nice Christians and pine for the days of boyhood? When I think of Christianity, I think of the virgin birth, Jonah and the whale, the Bible, faith; in other words, a set of ideas, which are falsehoods and absurdities. And when I think of “Christian feeling” or “Christian culture,” I think of what Mencken reported here. What he saw is Christianity in the raw, without Enlightenment influences.

      I suspect you like Christians because most are White. I associate Whites with civilization and creativity itself. Note that the better Christians in the High Renaissance were Catholic – no orgasms in the woods, better music, an orderly approach to things, some respect for science. That’s their Whiteness showing, not their Christianity. Imagine a German acting like the boobs Mencken describes! But such were the Christians of most eras. Those eras were called the Dark Ages for a reason. Religion is a plague of idiots.

    17. apollonian Says:

      [editorial comment by Apollonian below, capped, bracketed. A.]

      “…
      “Maybe you mean something other than art when you say aesthetics. It’s hard to tell. [NEIN–PLS RE-READ.]

      “Just as a guess, do you mean maybe that you grew up around some nice Christians and pine for the days of boyhood? When I think of Christianity, I think of the virgin birth, Jonah and the whale, the Bible, faith;” [PLS SEE MY ESSAY APPENDED, BELOW. “JONAH…” HAS NOTHING TO DO (NECESSARILY) W NEW TEST. (NT), HENCE CHRISTIANITY. “VIRGIN BIRTH” IS MERE PLOT DEVICE.]

      “…in other words, a set of ideas, which are falsehoods and absurdities.” [SO IS “ILLIAD” LESS FOR LITERATURE AS IT’S FICTIONAL?–THUS U UTTERLY MIS-JUDGE AND MISS PT. TO NT (AND LIT. IN GENERAL) IN ALL UR PREJUDICED AND WRONG-HEADED CONDESCENSION. U NEED ACQUIRE CLUE(S).]

      “And when I think of “Christian feeling” or “Christian culture,” I think of what Mencken reported here. What he saw is Christianity in the raw, without Enlightenment influences….” [U MAKE MUCH TOO MUCH OF MENKEN’S PRESUMED AND AFFECTED CRITICISMS, OBVIOUSLY.]
      –sgruber Says:
      30 December, 2007 at 6:36 pm

      * * * * *

      “S. Gruber” Utterly Mis-Reads & Misses Point
      (Apollonian, 30 Dec 07)

      Thanks to “S. Gruber” and commentary, above-copied. Note I equate “aesthetic” with that “sense” emotional and sentimental, providing context, New Testament lit. unsurpassed (see below expo by Apollonian, also ck for more at NewNation.org under “commentary”).

      Menken, whom u make too much of, as I understand, merely criticises certain Christians in particular.

      Note then “faith” properly simply means loyalty (as in “faithful” to spouse, contract, ideal(s), etc.). “Faith” is too often used as buzzword without proper definition–NOTE IT CANNOT (properly) MEAN ONE is thereby and therewith endowed, somehow, w. God-like power to create or substantially change reality.

      Most importantly for rhetoric/prop. purposes, note anti-semitic patriots must appeal to volk MENTALITY and speak (and act too) according to its terms and “idiom.” Christian aesthetic then is absolute, proven winner which we must grasp, all patriot anti-semitic rhetoric in accord therewith (which unc’ Adolf understood too).

      Thus “S. Gruber,” all u need do is to achieve that REASON by which u express tolerance of and sympathy with Christian volk–without that stinking condescension u exhibit (whence for example, u overlook what I plainly write in black & white).

      To reject Christian aesthetic then is to reject reason, etc.–exactly what Jews hope for, the loss of the confidence/sympathy of gentile volk. Thus note Jews will seriously consider subsidizing Linder/VNN as it serves purpose of dividing gentile volk and their political unity behind great Christian-rationalist front.

      Never doubt Christianity, NT, and Christian aesthetic are great, magnificent, and PROVEN weapons/instruments of gentile HATRED by which to exterminate Jews and accomplices most efficiently (despite ur un-founded anti-Christ prejudice). Why else do Jews so desperately fund the totally fraudulent Jew-friendly (“Jesus was Jew”) “Christianity Inc.” (as Hagee, Robertson, Graham, et al.)? Get a clue, “S. Gruber.” Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

      ———–

      Christianity Dramatizes Nature Of TRUTH–In Thematic Contrast To Jew Lies Founded In Subjectivism, Psychosis
      (Apollonian, 5 Dec 07)

      Christian New Testament (NT) is next advance/progression in Greek literature upon preceding Homeric Illiad and Oddyssey, NT then comemmorating heroic Christ character who upheld “God-given” (hence Aristotelian OBJECTIVE) reality, basis of TRUTH (see Gosp. JOHN 8:32), objectivity then giving criterion for truth–this Christian heroism against Jew lies which Satanic/Judaic lies, founded in subjectivism, otherwise rules the earth (as in form of usury/COUNTERFEIT fraud, basis of ZOG-Mammon empire/tyranny), leaving humanity hopeless.

      Thus Christ saved humanity, even despite Jews conspiring to murder Truth of God and heroic Christian defender thereof. “Thor” (for example) isn’t bad–merely for children. Christ thus answers the question (otherwise rhetorical) put by P. Pilate (I think specifically in Gosp. of Luke), “What is Truth?”

      Thus HONEST Christian heeds (Aristotelian/objective) reality, “God-given”–not pretending to create reality (subjectivism) as Jew liars who insist hysterically/insanely God is their slave, hopelessly infatuated with those filthy hook-nosed monstrosities/murderers/liars/conspirators/criminals.

      CONCLUSION: Christian salvation then entails mere appreciation and RATIONAL heeding of Christian literature/gospel/thesis–esp. in view of Jew/Talmudic lies, fraud, conspiracy, etc. One doesn’t have to “believe” every detail of NT, and proper Christian appreciation, for practical purposes, REQUIRES prior knowledge of Jew lies (founded in subjectivism), Talmudic ritual murder/warfare–such knowledge of Judaic satanism then necessary pre-requisite to consequent true appreciation of Christian truth conveyed in literature/aesthetic. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

    18. New America Says:

      After a second listen, two quick observations:

      One, de Nugent made reference to some sort of banner he has Created.

      It might be nice to see it on VNN, so we can intelligently comment on this worthwhile endeavor.

      Two, I think de Nugent is the perfect counterpoint to Chain’s droll, autodidactic, two-fisted workingman’s perspective.

      I like Agis for intro and quick commentaries.

      I think that we should see more of GOYFIRE, more often, and this could be the team that helps redefine it.

      de Nugent offers the depth of education, and breadth of perspective, that GOYFIRE needs.

      Whereas Free Talk Live goes all over the place in terms of topics, as a current affairs show should do, GOYFIRE can do a few issues with enough depth to provide the depth of education we could all benefit from.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    19. Dawn Landry Says:

      Hey Mark in Cali-Thanks for taking a stand and putting your position
      out there. There are alot of us who are White Nationalists and
      Christians. The two are very compatible. Have a great 2008-
      Dawn Landry

    20. sgruber Says:

      Appy, doesn’t the Old Testament also assert that it is God-given truth (hence pro-objectivity)? The Old Testament is not notably “truth is whatever you feel like” in word or tone.

      The historical Jesus was probably a reformer acting on his disgust with crookedness. That disgust is not historically unique.

      Also, understand that nihilism (subjectivism) and supernaturalism (Jesus) are not the only alternatives. You mentioned Aristotle as pro-objectivity. I don’t believe he was a Christian.

      I am not unsympathetic toward White people even if they are Christians. What counts is intelligence and willingness to think. Supernaturalism mitigates against both.

      You err when you think that Jesus is so popular across our whole race that invoking him is our chief selling point. Sorry to break it to you, but most educated White people think Jesus-worship is a joke, a SUBJECTIVE fairy-tale, despite some respect for his courage as a historical man (see above). “We’re for Jesus like you are!” is a lousy selling-point to anybody who isn’t living in the woods or went higher in school than third grade. Of course, maybe we do need a mindless army in the coming battles, but I for one would rather have a not-so-mindless one, and one just so happens to be on tap. It’s all the disaffected professional educated Whites struggling under the jew and soon to wake up to a wrecked economy and wrecked country. When they look for answers, they need to be told the jew is and always was the problem in their lives – not “We’re for Jesus like you are!” from a street preacher.

      There is a solution to the jew problem.

    21. apollonian Says:

      Again, Note Issue Is Truth (Western) Vs. Jew Lies
      (Apollonian, 1 Jan 08)

      Thanks much to “sgruber” for his steady dialectic endeavors; note I’ve moved relevant thread to new VNN blog on Sylvia Stoltz trial.

      “[S]gruber,” u rather seem to read haphazardly, picking out some parts for ur attn, but, rather like Jew, ignoring others.

      Christian aesthetic/idiom is extremely powerful and most useful, and u, “sgruber,” really should drop ur bitterness and condescension towards it–u’re not really clever enough to carry this supercilious attitude of urs off very well.

      Reason and anti-semitic military/political strategy require due sympathy to Christianity–in all proper and prudent reason, don’t doubt or forget. Outrages against such Christian aesthetic are counter-productive (anti-semitically) and indeed subversive to anti-semitic and patriot cause.

      CONCLUSION: Note historically, Aristotle and Greek reason instinctively oppose Jew lies (and fraud, like Fed counterfeiting), but so few people are comfortable in strictest logical-type formulations. Thus Christ gave definitive, all-encompassing dramatic refutation/repudiation of Talmudic, institutionalized lying, satanism, etc. By all means do ck Sylvia Stoltz blog, again. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

    22. Booger Says:

      Great show,now the commentary.Dr.Paul is the Last Best Hope of this once great nation.Unfortunately,i seriously doubt he will be elected.First he must overcome the ZOG apparatus which has now targeted him with irrelevance,and possible lockout from the NH Primary shows without doubt(to Me) that Dr.Paul is not a “CLUB” approved Candidate.He would Upset THEIR PLANS for America.An America with Less Personal Freedom than ever before,Less Manufacturing and Moral Values,More Repression and MILLIONS MORE ILLEGALS to “diversify” us out of existance.Sorry folks, The Jew Club and their lickspittle lackeys can’t have Dr. Paul upset the future of the Multicultural,Multiracial,Borderless Utopia of Diverse Glee that they want to bring us called The North American “Union” now can they?Not only that, but if Dr.Paul does make it that far,how does any candidate who represents the best hope of White America hope to contend with their easily altered or tampered with electronic voting machines?Its A nice pipedream people,if Dr.Paul becomes President i’ll eat my hat,and jump for joy.However,i believe the “CLUB” will do WHATEVER it takes to de-rail Dr. Pauls campaign,including a Bobby Kennedy.The Final Failure of Dr.Pauls bid for the Presidency should be the FINAL PROOF that anyone whose AWAKE needs to see that the only way our people can avoid the further loss of our position,our culture,and ultimately OUR PEOPLE, to the SLOW GENOCIDE THEY PLAN FOR US,is through violent revolution and the shedding of our enemies blood and some of ours.Our freedoms and nation have slipped to the Point of Peril that we can only redeem them with blood,and Christ’s blood isn’t going to work for us,its going to have to be ours and the Enemys,Hopefully much more of theirs.

    23. sgruber Says:

      Boog, you are exactly right.

      The coming failure of Ron Paul’s campaign is the event that will tear it.

      There is a solution to the jew problem.