14 January, 2008

Kevin Alfred Strom Pleads Guilty

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Accused White Supremacist Pleads Guilty To Child Porn Charges

January 14, 2008

Accused white supremacist leader, Kevin Strom, pleaded guilty Monday morning to child pornography charges after striking a plea deal.

Under the agreement, Strom could face up to ten years in prison and a $250,000 fine. Twice Monday morning Strom lashed out against the media. In the middle of entering his agreement, he attacked the media, saying “he was falsely portrayed as a neo Nazi and white supremacist.”

Strom added that calling him a white supremacist would be the same as calling the Dalai Lama a Tibetan Supremacist. He went on to say as a result of that label he has even received death threats while in prison.

We talked with his attorney who elaborated on the remarks.

“Mr. Strom disagrees with the characterizations of himself as either a white supremacist or a neo Nazi, he doesn’t feel like those descriptions accurately describe his beliefs and he’s always sort of maintained that those descriptions adequately describe what he believes in” said Strom’s attorney Andrea Harris.

Strom is referring to the coverage of his trial back in October. He was accused of being the leader of a white supremacist group, facing charges of federal coercion and obstruction charges, however, that case was thrown out after lack of evidence.

Strom is now awaiting sentencing which has been scheduled for April 21st.

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  7. 119 Responses to “Kevin Alfred Strom Pleads Guilty”

    1. Darren Says:

      Does it really matter what anyone thinks of him at this point?

      “Yeah, I’m into kiddie porn and stalking young girls, but don’t call me a neo nazi please!”

    2. Rob Says:

      One would think that knowing who he was Kevin would have been a bit more careful about what he downloaded, I guess his perversions got the better of him.

    3. alex Says:

      [from the Hook Nose Blog]

      I am not a neo-Nazi: Strom pleads to kid porn

      by Lisa Provence

      Protesting descriptions of himself in the media as a neo-Nazi and white supremacist, Kevin Alfred Strom, 51, pleaded guilty today to one count of possession of child pornography in U.S. District Court in Charlottesville. As part of his plea, four counts of receiving child porn were dismissed .

      Strom could receive a maximum of 10 years in prison and up to a $250,000 fine when he’s sentenced April 21. He was indicted January 3, 2007 and has been in jail for over a year.

      In October, Judge Norman K. Moon threw out two charges against Strom for enticing a minor to perform sexual acts after the prosecution’s details about his alleged obsession with a 10-year-old Orange County girl fell short of the judge’s view of a compelling case.

      Former wife Elisha Strom testified about finding Strom in their Stanardsville home naked and aroused with photos on his computer of teen girls, who were singers in the white nationalist movement and whose heads were superimposed onto the bodies of even younger girls. A separate charge of witness intimidation, an alleged physical attack on Mrs. Strom, was also dismissed.
      Mrs. Strom was in court today to watch her husband plead guilty, and afterward, sat down with the Hook for an exclusive interview.

      Kevin Strom founded the National Vanguard, a white nationalist organization dedicated to protecting the rights and racial purity of Caucasians, after his split with the West Virginia-based National Alliance. Before his ouster from the National Alliance, Strom was seen as the group’s intellectual leader and the protege of its founder, William Pierce, whose book, The Turner Diaries, blamed Jews, foreigners, and blacks for America’s ills and inspired homegrown terrorist Timothy McVeigh.

      When Judge Moon asked Kevin Strom whether he’d been threatened to agree to plead guilty, Strom said he had received threats in jail, but he doesn’t think they’re about his guilty plea.

      “They have more to do with the media describing me as a white supremacist,” declared Strom, who advocates separate areas for “endangered” whites. “I deeply resent the way I’ve been characterized in the press. I’m no more a white supremacist than the Dalai Lama is.”

      http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2008/01/14/i-am-not-a-neo-nazi-strom-pleads-to-kid-porn/

    4. Marwinsing Says:

      Yeah but what Strom’s been caught out for the jews do all the time — likewise niggers, spics, ching-chongs and all the other low-lifes — funny how nothing happens to them? Leave Strom, his crimes are so insignificant when you look at the greater scheme of things. The whole Strom fiasco is nothing more than mere White Nationalist small-talk for those whites who have got nothing better to do with their lives but GOSSIP.

      Hey Bill white?

    5. Bob332 Says:

      I don’t care if Kevin Strom sexually enjoys seeing pictures of young girls or not as long as he does it in private. Until the Zionist FBI got hold of Strom all Kevin had done was done in total privacy. Bu the Jews wanted it public so that they could liquidate him.

      I have always remembered and will continue to remember that Kevin Alfred Strom was of great service to the white community. If the white community would stop being so critical of their own leaders and grow up, Kevin Alfred Strom could continue to contribute to us.

      I find it less than engaging of my white brothers that they lash out so strongly at their leadership when they turn out to be imperfectly tarnished.

      A more enlightened view, considering how our race has its back against the wall, would be to stand tall with him and offer him a way back. So, he has faults. Whom of you do not? Stand forth and show yourself. I will bet you I can find a thousand faults in you.

      However, if I can find one ounce of brilliance in you of the nature of Kevin’s brilliance, I shall personally forgive you and demand that all other of my brothers do the same.

      If you do not achieve the maturity to forgive all White Nationalists of their personal faults once their are disclosed and welcome them back into our family, then you do not deserve to be member of our groups.

      Kevin is still White, Nationalist, and filled with a heart to save his people. If you cannot forgive and accept him as a leader, appreciating him for his White descent, his past service, and wishing for more service from him, then you need to bury your seed into an African family’s loins forever, for you are no use to us any more.

    6. Schnee Weiss Says:

      Notice how the article states, “Accused White Supremacist pleads guilty….etc.” – the wording of this implies that “White Supremacism” is actually the REAL crime here, not the child porn…

      I also grow extremely weary of the repeated “kindergarten” attempt to smear with the usual slippery slope argument that they constantly use here: “protege of its founder, William Pierce, whose book, The Turner Diaries, blamed Jews, foreigners, and blacks for America’s ills and inspired homegrown terrorist Timothy McVeigh.”

    7. Darren Says:

      Interesting viewpoint, Bob. I probably wouldn’t care so much if he just had a weird interest that was limited to pictures on his computer.

      The allegation that he stalked young girls is what bothers me the most; I think anyone that seriously perverted doesn’t belong in the movement, especially since its an example of deviant behavior that he didn’t keep to himself. Was Strom trying to reform his behavior at all?

      I agree that little flaws here and there can be overlooked. There are so few of us who are willing to be vocal and active participants for our cause so we should turn the other cheek when it comes to some types of behavior. But I don’t think I can extend that to Strom’s behavior.

      We can recognize Strom for the good he has contributed, but I think our leaders and spokesmen should represent the best of us we can find.

    8. Say Goodnight, Bob Says:

      Bob332, AKA John Justice, seems to think a man with appetites for 10 year old brown-skinned girls has ANYTHING to contribute to the advancement of our race.

      Kevin Strom had images of nigger transsexuals on his computer, along with explicit photos of 6-10 year old girls. Victimless crime, huh? Who is photographing nude images of elementary school girls and selling them on the Internet? Who are these children that Kevin Strom sits naked in front of his computer “enjoying” as you say, Bob?

      You and April Gaede are very alone in your point of view, sir. April sent Strom pictures of her kids even AFTER she was warned he was using, I mean, “sexually enjoying” these images.

      In a White world, Kevin Strom would deserve death for stalking a fifth grader, sending her poems, gifts and marriage proposals. Had that been my daughter, death is what he would have got.

      Say goodnight John, er, Bob.

    9. Cormac Says:

      Oh no my manly he man hero is fucked !
      STROM = HE MAN MASTER OF HIS PUNIVERSE !!!

      Who could marry a scumbag whimp like that ?

    10. Sgt. Skull Says:

      When this story first broke I thought he was being set up because of his leadership position within the WN movement, but it now looks like he has some definite issues with pedophilia. He was a brilliant man and his ADV broadcasts were outstanding and probably won’t be equaled. If he is ever granted early release he’ll be shunned and nobody in the WN movement will take him seriously ever again.

      It’s very disappointing because his actions bring disrepute on other WN’s who are not sexually deviant and just want what’s best for white people. The media will spin this to make it look like all WN’s are kooks and sexual deviants. We all know that the ADL, NAACP and La Raza have only upstanding, law abiding folks as members, right?

    11. New America Says:

      A modest defense of Mr. Strom, and why…

      Say Goodnight, Bob wrote:

      Bob332, AKA John Justice, seems to think a man with appetites for 10 year old brown-skinned girls has ANYTHING to contribute to the advancement of our race.

      Kevin Strom had images of nigger transsexuals on his computer, along with explicit photos of 6-10 year old girls. Victimless crime, huh? Who is photographing nude images of elementary school girls and selling them on the Internet? Who are these children that Kevin Strom sits naked in front of his computer “enjoying” as you say, Bob?

      in reply:
      So many people have so many opportunities to place images on your computer – particularly in folders you might not normally suspect – that this, in and of itself, is a marginal issue, indeed.

      If you have a WINDOWS operating system computer, and you are set up for Automatic Updates – which you usually are – OR have not blocked Remote Procedure Control – or even if you have, people can access you machine without your realizing it.

      People in your house, for instance, their friends…and your enemies.

      And, as to Strom sitting in front of the computer “enjoying” these pictures, think of this – SOMEONE had set up CAMERA(s?) to watch him…

      SUPPOSE – as a pure hypothetical – you came home and discovered SOMEONE had set up CAMERA(s) with the purpose of watching you on your computer – for openers.

      Wouldn’t you think, “Damn! Something is WRONG with this situation?”

      I’d like to know more about the cameras; how many, where, who and why…

      Especially WHY…

      The Division of Paranoia is now recruiting…

      you wrote:

      You and April Gaede are very alone in your point of view, sir. April sent Strom pictures of her kids even AFTER she was warned he was using, I mean, “sexually enjoying” these images.

      In a White world, Kevin Strom would deserve death for stalking a fifth grader, sending her poems, gifts and marriage proposals. Had that been my daughter, death is what he would have got.

      Say goodnight John, er, Bob.

      in reply:
      I suspect Strom is one of those men who simply should never have been married; it simply does not complement his Work at all.

      My sincere hope is that Strom is released, and goes to study with Eustace Mullins on a comprehensive history we could all benefit from. Done as a “multi-media” production, it may well prove more useful than we can all imagine.

      Alone, with a mind as brilliant as Mullins, the balance of Kevin’s life can be spent in useful, productive work for the Race, as he dedicates his life to a greater Purpose than he has heretofore, unburdened by relationships for which he does not seem to be psychologically suited.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    12. The Writing On The Wall Says:

      So either Kevin was a “victim” of someone who put pornographic images on his computer, (which you admit he “sexually enjoyed,”) or he was not “psychologically suited” to the adult female he married.

      How about both? To predators like Kevin Strom nothing ages the ideal depiction of Aryan beauty worse than puberty and middle school. The guy proposed marriage to a ten year old. He should be summarily “unburdened by relationships” with a length of rope.

      Keep pushing the “Kevin Strom: brilliant misunderstood victim” line, John. Keep in mind, you will be in a very small group if you intend to financially subsidize that “brilliant mind.”

      Perhaps you and Kevin share similar appetites? Anyone who attempts to “normalize” child pornography as a harmless diversion suitable for private “enjoyment” is probably not a parent and definitely not a white man.

    13. Luek Says:

      I have never bought into this garbage about child internet porn. To get as much time in prison for having a picture of some brat’s ass on a computer drive as someone would get for international espionage is nuts! Remember the Coppertone suntan lotion ad that was on billboards for years and even TV during the 50’s to the 70’s? That image of the little girl having her swimsuit bottom pulled down by that dog could theoretically get you hard time in prison under current law. I am not advocating child porn by any means. Someone who would get erotically aroused by it has serious mental issues and needs professional help. But a society that would imprison someone for decades for having images of children that are in many cases might be equivalent to what are depicted in many major art masterpieces has huge moral issues also.

    14. Sri Sreggin Das, Mystic Yogi of the Kali Yuga Says:

      “If the female will subjugate her ego and support the male unequivocally, the male goes beyond his identity crisis and begins to understand himself. The energy he projects will then become stonger. He pulls in more money, and the family gradually does better. But it’s difficult for the female to subjugate her ego, for often the male is weak and that causes her anxiety. She quite rightly feels the need to control. . . (The Secrets of Life by Stuart Wilde, p.91, Hay House, 2007).

      This happened to me. Luckily, my female crashed, and started supporting me unequivocally. It was very sweet, a homecoming.
      I felt something stir within me.

      It also happened to Kevin . . . twice.

      He had problems, to be sure, but I think the right woman could have cured him. I am not casting blame, merely extrapolating based on my own experiences.

      We still have work for you, Kevin.

    15. Sri Sreggin Das, Mystic Yogi of the Kali Yuga Says:

      PS–I said it happened to Kevin . . . twice.

      But his females did not have the ego-crash that leads to true humility and support for the male.

      Again, I am blaming no one.

    16. Olde Dutch Says:

      Strom’s big mistake was pushing that Art Renewal website, and promoting artists like Maxfield Parrish, and J.C. Leyendecker.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxfield_Parrish

      Strom should have been out there hustling good degenerate modern jewish art. Piss Christ rather than water nymphs. Jackson Pollock. Andres Serrano. Anything vulgar and jewish.

    17. Alek James Hiddel Says:

      It’s a politicaly motivated prosecution,just like the David Duke thing a few years ago.That’s what happens when you live in a Jew controled country.

    18. ANDREI YUSTSCHINSKY Says:

      YEAH, NO MORE STROM, BUT STROM DID SOME INTERESTING BROADCASTS THROUGH THE YEARS, EVEN “IF” HE WAS JACKING-OFF TO UNDER AGE FEMALES ON HIS COMPUTER MONITER. WHO KNOWS, MAYBE THE GUILTY PLEA WAS A CUT DEAL FOR LESS TIME. AS MUCH AS I LOVE VNN, WE STILL NEED A HALF AN HOUR BROADCAST LIKE PIERCE OR STROM IN ANALYZING THE CURRENT NEWS EVERY WEEK. ERICH GLIEBE MIGHT BE A NICE GUY, BUT HIS SHOWS ARE MOSTLY NOT VERY GOOD. NOW THAT HAL TURNER IS “GONE”, YOU HAVE VNN, INSURGENT RADIO, SOME IDENITY CHRISTIAN SHOWS (WICKSTROM & FABER), THE PIPER REPORT, AUSTRAILIA CALLING & THATS ABOUT IT. BY THE WAY, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR PETER SHANK AGAIN DO BROADCASTS, LIKE A HALF AN HOUR BROADCAST ON CURRENT NEWS EVERY WEEK. A FEW YEARS AGO I THOUGHT INTERNET RADIO WAS THE WAY TO GO FOR WHITE NATIONALISTS, BUT NOW THERES NOT MUCH LEFT.TOO MANY OF THE GREAT ONES ARE EITHER DEAD OR NOW IN JAIL (LIKE MATT HALE). TWO THINGS, THIS IS SAD & VERY STRANGE, BUT I THINK I SMELL A GODDAMN DIRTY SHEENY IN THE WARPED WOOD PILE. WHAT THE FUCK HAS GONE WRONG? IS THE ADL & SPLC LAUGHING AT US?

    19. New America Says:

      in response to The Writing On The Wall:

      you wrote:

      So either Kevin was a “victim” of someone who put pornographic images on his computer, (which you admit he “sexually enjoyed,”) or he was not “psychologically suited” to the adult female he married.

      in reply:
      Actually, Kevin would have been a “victim” – literally, and not figuratively – of anyone who wired his office – and, perhaps, other areas of the house – with recording equipment, like “cameras.”

      And, if someone places images – or documents, or mp3’s, or videos – on your computer without you knowing, then you are a victim, twice.

      And, is there anyone who believes he was “psychologically suited” to the “adult female he married”- nice description of Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom, that – then, let them say so.

      Wouldn’t a description of Mr. and Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom from the perspective of their marital counselor be truly enlightening?

      It would certainly be educational, as well…

      you wrote:

      How about both? To predators like Kevin Strom nothing ages the ideal depiction of Aryan beauty worse than puberty and middle school. The guy proposed marriage to a ten year old. He should be summarily “unburdened by relationships” with a length of rope.

      in reply:
      I wouldn’t go so far; it seems Kevin was a Romantic, in a very unRomantic world. Still, “the ideal of Aryan beauty” was on display in the Art Renewal website, as well as on his own site…

      Most of them seemed to have been beyond “middle school.” The works of Maxfield Parrish and Charles Gibson come to mind. Both Romantic, and both dealing with A Better World.

      Kevin would best be “unburdened by inappropriate relationships” by moving in with Eustace Mullins, and we would all gain from the teaching he would receive.

      Incidentally, was there any hint of such desires as Kevin felt before he married the current Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom?

      Just wondering…

      you wrote:

      Keep pushing the “Kevin Strom: brilliant misunderstood victim” line, John. Keep in mind, you will be in a very small group if you intend to financially subsidize that “brilliant mind.”

      Perhaps you and Kevin share similar appetites? Anyone who attempts to “normalize” child pornography as a harmless diversion suitable for private “enjoyment” is probably not a parent and definitely not a white man.

      in reply:
      One, I’ve never met Kevin Alfred Strom, or the current Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom.

      Two, the charge of “child pornography” seems to have come into being fairly late in the history of our Culture; the looseness of this definition lends itself fairly easily to our political enemies as a tool for attacking free speech. How recently was it that the age of consent in Louisiana was – what? – TWELVE?

      How often will the courts be granting the functional equivalent of emancipation for young ladies beneath the age of consent, as the necessary prerequisite for marriage, and legitimizing their children? Watch for this emerging legal trend, as multiculturalism transforms our legal systems in practice. For instance, there are many Muslim families in America that are de facto polygamous, and no one really wants to lead the court fight against that. As to the age of consent in the Muslim community, well, in many cases, the bride would not be able to get a driver’s license, or even a learner’s permit.

      Again, some men are simply not suited for the marital estate, and any attempt to make that work, simply works to the mutual dissatisfaction of all parties.

      Again, I would wish Kevin Alfred Strom peace of mind, and a chance to fulfill a Duty to the RACE, by moving in with, and learning from, Eustace Mullins.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    20. SMG3000 Says:

      “He was accused of being the leader of a white supremacist group”

      Uh… what!? You can’t be charged with being the leader of a “white supremacist” group; the writer is off their jewish nut.

    21. New America Says:

      in reply to Sri Sreggin Das, Mystic Yogi of the Kali Yuga:

      “If the female will subjugate her ego and support the male unequivocally, the male goes beyond his identity crisis and begins to understand himself. The energy he projects will then become stonger. He pulls in more money, and the family gradually does better. But it’s difficult for the female to subjugate her ego, for often the male is weak and that causes her anxiety. She quite rightly feels the need to control. . . (The Secrets of Life by Stuart Wilde, p.91, Hay House, 2007).

      This happened to me. Luckily, my female crashed, and started supporting me unequivocally. It was very sweet, a homecoming.
      I felt something stir within me.

      It also happened to Kevin . . . twice.

      He had problems, to be sure, but I think the right woman could have cured him. I am not casting blame, merely extrapolating based on my own experiences.

      We still have work for you, Kevin.

      PS–I said it happened to Kevin . . . twice.

      But his females did not have the ego-crash that leads to true humility and support for the male.

      in reply:
      Well, some days are better than others!

      Still, I suspect it would have all worked out much better if Kevin Alfred Strom did not join himself to relationships that are inappropriate for his spiritual learning, and his Duty to the RACE, such as marriage.

      It MIGHT be that “the right woman could have cured him,” but I suspect the “cure” might be worse than the *ahem* “extant condition.”

      I suspect it would be easier for Kevin Alfred Strom, and better – MUCH better – for all, if he had simply never married, AND devoted himself selflessly to RACIAL Service.

      At the very least, we would gain an heir to the elderly Eustace Mullins, a living resource of knowledge that has become wisdom.

      you wrote:

      Again, I am blaming no one.

      in reply:
      I am glad to hear that.

      The charge of “pedophile” was all too easy to make in the practice of Divorce Law in the Nineties, where “recovered memories” were used to force legal settlements on highly unfavorable terms, destroying marriages as well as families, and lives..

      I might wonder if either of Kevin Alfred Strom’s wives have been previously married, and how those marriages worked out…

      And why.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    22. Friedrich Braun Says:

      Strom is getting death threats in prison because he’s a sexual pervert who gets off by watching kiddie porn. We know that convicts have a particular dislike for sexual predators. The fact that he’s a well known racist does little to endear him to minorities, but I’d argue that that’s a secondary cause of animosity.

    23. ANDREI YUSTSCHINSKY Says:

      & OH YEAH, SPEAKING of HALF HOUR CURRENT EVENT NEWS BROADCASTS, HOW ABOUT ALEX LINDER DOING A HALF AN HOUR BROADCAST EVERY WEEK? SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.

    24. BC Says:

      I wonder what level of legal representation he got? What high power lawyer says “you know” over and over again to a reporter? The video link does not inspire confidence. How old is his lawyer? 28? I wish Strom had an affair with someone like the reporter, who looks sexy enough to me, and left it at that.

    25. Phil Anderson Says:

      Strom should get the same punishment ever pedo should get. A slow and painful death.

    26. Orion14 Says:

      So the Manipulator now says KAS had nigger trannies on his computer. WHAT’S THAT GOT TO DO WITH THE CHARGES?! What next? That he had snuff films and baby rape movies too?

      Does anyone else find it interesting that now KAS is out, the next person this cunt attaches herself to is Linder? Can anyone say…

      ZOG OPERATIVE?

    27. abe foxman Says:

      When I read pitiful reports such as these, I visit Uncle Adolf’s home page and take comfort in his divine spirit.
      Can anyone wonder the man was loved> He embodied everything great in the Aryan.
      http://www.adolfthegreat.com/index.html

      Anyone who adopts the greatest man of the Aryan civilization as role model will never ever be compromised by the Jew.

    28. New America Says:

      in reply to abe foxman:

      you wrote:

      When I read pitiful reports such as these, I visit Uncle Adolf’s home page and take comfort in his divine spirit.
      Can anyone wonder the man was loved> He embodied everything great in the Aryan.
      http://www.adolfthegreat.com/index.html

      Anyone who adopts the greatest man of the Aryan civilization as role model will never ever be compromised by the Jew.

      in reply:
      Funny you mention this.

      A friend e-mailed me a video called “Adolf Hitler – The Savior of Germany.” Apparently, it is up on YouTube. (It’s .flv format) It’s NSDAP color films done to the music of Matallic’s “Nothing Else Matters.” Good musical choice, which reflects a theme we should adopt more forcefully.

      I watched it, and it started with an openoing shot of the port of Hamburg in 1933, with a voice-over of an unemployed laborer who joined the National Socialist Party. I studied the economy of 1933 Germany in school. As I recall, the unemployment rate was over FIFTY PER CENT, and climbing…

      I was stirred to an incredible feeling of pride by a segment that starts at about 3:11, titled “Berlin 1936.” Of course, it was the opening of the Olympics…

      I felt a surge of pride like I had not felt in far too many years – “Yes! WE did this before, and WE can do this again.”

      And, for the creator of this clip, congratulations on your choice of shots. The picture of the confident, proud young gentleman at about 3:23 said quite a lot; his snappy black uniform said quite a lot, too, but that’s for another time.

      What on Earth stops us from doing things like this again, with the higher level of technology we have available to us?

      My GOD!

      It’s been almost FORTY YEARS since we went to the Moon, and returned.

      How few achievements do we have since to make us feel as proud as our Racial Brethren did in 1936, where they celebrated the amazing Creative Gifts and Talents of the German people in having gone from horrific unemployment, and an economy in utter collapse, to an Olympics that was the envy of the world?

      What is the last time WE did something that was the envy of the world?

      When are we going to DO SOMETHING about that?

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    29. -jc Says:

      Whether or not the man is guilty as charged or simply trying for the shortest sentence possible, consider this. Generally, women do not fight honorably, fairly. I’m sure there are exceptions but, when it comes to divorce and particularly child custody, in my opinion, most women will say or do just about anything.

      And so, once again, whether the charges were true or false, one should consider the character of a woman who took an oath to love, honor, and obey her husband. And women should consider whether they, too, are cut-out for marriage before taking such an oath.

    30. alex Says:

      Issue #20.03 :: 01/15/2008 – 01/21/2008
      Strom pleads guilty to child porn

      BY JAYSON WHITEHEAD

      Shortly before Judge Norman K. Moon entered Charlottesville’s U.S. District Court on Monday morning, defendant Kevin Alfred Strom was led in shackles and clothed in the customary grey and black striped prison garb. A year after he was arrested and charged with multiple counts of possession of child pornography, he was set to plead guilty to one count, which—as he was later instructed by Moon—carries a maximum penalty of 10 years and a possible $250,000 fine, plus a life of supervision.

      Even though the guilty plea had already been agreed upon in advance, Judge Moon still had to go through th necessary motions of asking the 51-year-old Strom if he understood what he was about to sign. Was he coerced in any way? the judge wondered. Only by the threats on his life he has received in prison, Strom replied, blaming them on press reports that he is a Neo-Nazi and a white supremacist, “which I am not,” he told the courtroom. A resident of Earlysville, Strom has collaborated on racist, anti-Semitic “American Dissident Voices” radio broadcasts, has posted nationalist messages on Cvillenews.com and was involved in a 2005 incident in which copies of “The Aryan Alternative” were distributed in Charlottesville. According to an intelligence report from the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups, Strom has been “a major American neo-Nazi leader for almost 20 years.”

      Regardless, he maintained that the media’s portrayal of him was leading to threats on his life from other prisoners. “They’re trying to kill me because of the press coverage,” he said. “I deeply resent the way I’ve been characterized. I’m no more a white supremacist than the Dalai Lama is. I love my people just as he does.” With that, Strom executed the guilty plea and a sentencing hearing was scheduled for April 21. Judge Moon then called a recess and left the room, leaving Strom to once again be handcuffed and led away.

      As a few onlookers milled about in the gallery, two Strom supporters stood, one who identified himself as John Justice, a family friend. Aged with a full beard and long thinning hair, Justice indicated that Strom pleaded guilty because of a fear of a jury conviction had his case gone to trial. If it had proceeded, Strom would have faced conviction on several counts of child pornography. Earlier charges of witness tampering and trying to entice a 10-year-old to engage in sexual activity were dismissed in October. Justice attributed Strom’s plea not to any actual guilt but to a wife “who is trying to destroy his life.”

      A tattoed, sleeveless Elisha Strom—who testified against her husband in earlier court proceedings—stood nearby but then headed for the door and the elevator. Was she satisfied with the plea? “Not exactly,” she said. What had she hoped for? “Death.”

      C-VILLE welcomes news tips from readers. Send them to news@c-ville.com.

      http://c-ville.com/index.php?cat=141404064434008&ShowArticle_ID=11431401081194734

    31. alex Says:

      Greene man guilty of child porn
      Other charges dropped against ‘white nationalist’

      By Rob Seal / rseal@dailyprogress.com | 978-7265
      January 15, 2008

      The founder of a self-described “white nationalist” group pleaded guilty in federal court Monday to possessing child pornography.

      Kevin Alfred Strom was originally scheduled for a trial this week on several child porn charges. Instead, the 51-year-old pleaded guilty to a single count and prosecutors dropped the remaining charges against him.

      During the hearing, Strom said he is neither a white supremacist nor a neo-Nazi and maintained that he’s been threatened in jail after media accounts described him as such, said defense lawyer Andrea Harris.

      “The bottom line is that he feels like those terms don’t accurately reflect what his beliefs are,” Harris said. “He adamantly denies being either one of those things.”

      However, others said Strom’s denial lacks credibility.

      “I find that the most ludicrous comment I’ve heard this decade,” said Mark Potok, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project, which tracks hate groups.

      Strom was once part of the leadership of the National Alliance, a West Virginia-based organization Potok said was a white supremacist group.

      Strom edited some of the organization’s publications and produced and sometimes hosted its shortwave radio and Internet broadcast.

      “Jews are so dominant and influential in debasing and deceiving white women and girls on such a massive scale that, to any decent white person, no forgiveness is possible,” Strom said at the beginning of one August 2003 radio show.

      Still, his wife, Elisha Strom, said in a telephone interview Monday that neither she nor her husband would ever have described themselves as white supremacists or neo-Nazis.

      “In our political world there are subtle differences,” Elisha Strom said. “The thing I kind of wonder more about is that he doesn’t seem upset that he’s being called a pedophile, but he has a problem being called a neo-Nazi.”

      Elisha Strom, who is estranged but not divorced from her husband, said they moved to Greene County in 2000, when Kevin Strom was working for National Alliance.

      They split with the group after a falling out around 2005 and Kevin Strom created the National Vanguard, Elisha Strom said.

      Things started to break down for the couple in 2006, after Elisha said she returned home one day and found her husband sitting naked in front of the computer looking at child pornography.

      Afterward, in an apparent attempt to patch things up, the two signed a notarized contract in which Kevin Strom agreed to seek treatment for pedophilia. But the couple’s relationship continued to disintegrate.

      In August 2006, investigators seized Strom’s computer during a raid of his home. He was arrested in January 2007 after a federal grand jury indicted him on charges of witness intimidation and possession of child pornography.

      Elisha Strom was the alleged victim in the witness intimidation case. She said her husband attacked her to keep her from coming forward about the child porn, and that he filed a lawsuit and criminal charges against her.

      In April, Kevin Strom was indicted on an additional charge of attempting to sexually entice a minor. Authorities said he’d been fixated on a 10-year-old classmate of his stepdaughter’s.

      During an October trial on the enticement and intimidation charges, witnesses testified that Kevin Strom sent the 10-year-old girl flowers and presents and wrote a love poem in which he expressed a desire to marry her.

      However, judge Norman K. Moon threw out the charges. Though he said there was “overwhelming evidence” that Strom was sexually attracted to the girl, Moon ruled that there wasn’t enough evidence to charge him with attempting to sexually coerce her.

      Elisha Strom testified against her husband at the October trial, saying he attacked her to keep her from outing his predilection for child pornography and that he filed a lawsuit against her and sought to have her charged criminally in an effort to keep her from aiding authorities.

      Moon also threw out the intimidation charge, which was based almost entirely on her testimony.

      The trial for the remaining pornography charges was postponed until Monday. In a summary of what the case would have been had it gone to court, Assistant U.S. Attorney Bill Gould wrote that Strom later acknowledged to authorities that he’d downloaded child pornography.

      Strom will remain at the Albemarle-Charlottesville Regional Jail until his sentencing. He could face up to a decade in prison at his April sentencing in U.S. District Court, though federal guidelines could call for a much lighter sentence.

      http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP%2FMGArticle%2FCDP_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173354215293&path=!news

    32. New America Says:

      in reply to the two above news pieces concerning Kevin Alfred Strom:

      There is an extraordinarily valuable lesson here for one and all, if we have the intellectual honesty and moral courage to learn the lesson, and work with it.

      I suspect a goodly part of the difficulties re Mr. and Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom is this:

      Kevin Alfred Strom, at heart, is a Romantic; he believes in a better world, and sees the necessary – but not necessarily sufficient – precondition as being a brighter, Whiter, White America.

      His response to his personal situation in certain aspects following his marriage to Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom seems to have been to retreat to this fantasy world, with Childish innocence as its hallmark.

      It seems Kevin Alfred Strom chose to marry a woman who had children from a previous relationship, which is always a challenging situation under the best of circumstances.

      Obviously, their marriage did not reflect the best of circumstances for either party…

      I might suspect their marriage, such as it was, began to fall apart following the collapse of the National Alliance, and with it, Kevin’s possible chance to be the heir to All Things Pierce – books, intellectual property, and property.

      I might possibly suspect the marriage began to fail when it was obvious that Kevin Alfred Strom was, possibly, simply bullied by Eric Gliebe, an uneducated, foolish idiot, and the best man our Racial Enemies could have to “lead” the National Alliance.

      Incidentally, I would like to see an accounting of the Pierce Estate, and all of his interests – National Alliance, Cosmotheist Church, etc. That would certainly make the bearer of such resources a worthwhile man, in the eyes of many people…

      On the other hand, as I understand it, Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom began her email address on her website with the word “manipulator.”

      That the reporter states Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom wanted the death penalty for Kevin Alfred Strom says something, and that might be worth saying at a later time.

      I hope that Kevin Alfred Strom is released, and works with Eustace Mullins to improve the Race.

      I wish all parties well.

    33. Commander Melcur Says:

      Essay Contest at the REAL ANSWP blogsite – prioze is two Michael Colliuns Piper books, one of which has been signed by the author.

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    34. P.Shock Says:

      Jeeze I already wrote an essay today, but I am tempted to join that contest. Free books are always awesome.

    35. Bill White Says:

      Kevin Alfred Strom has never contributed anything of value to the movement; his entire life’s work has been a complete waste of movement money and resources, even the portions that were not misdirected into child porn and the sexual pursuit of pre-pubescent girls.

      Furthermore, the men (and one woman) who are defending Strom are universally as sick as he is — though their sickness, in some cases, follows a different route.

      Anyone who has any sympathy for Strom or believes he was “set up” by ZOG or the FBI is a lunatic and should be drummed out of the movement. Anyone who believes he was “set up” by his wife should realize that the reason he was given a plea bargain, as I understand it, is because his wife refused to testify. Anyone who thinks someone “set him up” by placing cameras on him should realize that Kevin Alfred Strom put cameras and tape recorders on everything he did for decades in order to avoid being “set up”, and this is how paranoid lunacy backfires on you.

      Strom is a sick, sick, fuck, and all attempts to rehabilitate him into the movement come from other sick fucks who should be drummed out with him.

    36. Subrosa Says:

      Haha Bill White says Strom never contributed nothing to the movement!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!

    37. Ernst Roehm Says:

      You’re kidding about hoping that Strom gets out and works with Eustace Mullins, right? You left out Jaime Kelso! (LMAO!)

    38. New America Says:

      in reply to Bill White:

      you wrote:

      Kevin Alfred Strom has never contributed anything of value to the movement; his entire life’s work has been a complete waste of movement money and resources, even the portions that were not misdirected into child porn and the sexual pursuit of pre-pubescent girls.

      in reply:
      I would not go that far, by a long shot.

      Yes, his understanding of his place in the *ahem* “Movement” was a misunderstanding, shared by the same error that drove David Lane to his fatal misunderstanding:

      THERE WAS NO MOVEMENT.

      There still isn’t a “Movement,” for all practical purposes, but that can change, in no small part thanks to the efforts of yourself, Linder, Covington, and others who take all of the hits today, so we may have the framework to DO SOMETHING, intelligently, in the future.

      There were – de facto – cults of “Great Men” who looked at the state of affairs and said, “SOMETHING must be done.” Pierce, damn near by the same force of Will as Rockwell, formed an organization that shared an intelligently conceived common theme – the necessity of identifying ALL issues in the context of Race.

      Strom’s efforts with Pierce were good; they could have been better, but Kevin Alfred Strom needed solid, masculine guidance to help discipline and focus his efforts to more effective ends.

      His ADV’s were Light in the Darkness to many who needed more than Pierce could offer; as well, he did the best advertising piece I have ever seen for us, with excellently done music, and a perfect voice-over that spoke the critical question, “What happened to US? What happened to White People?”

      We need a lot more work of that quality, and we need it badly.

      His contributions were substantial; they may have seen to have been more than they were because there was no other voice in the darkness, but, damn it, in all intellectual honesty we can not take that from the man.

      Let’s acknowledge ALL he has done, and hope he has the chance to do more, much more, in the company of men like Eustace Mullins.

      you wrote:

      Furthermore, the men (and one woman) who are defending Strom are universally as sick as he is — though their sickness, in some cases, follows a different route.

      in reply:
      Commander, might I address some issues that have not been fully addressed in this discussion?

      I am defending part of what he has done, and am not defending the indefensible.

      I am pointing out that we need to keep our eyes on the larger context.

      Look how any of us, even the wealthy and well-educated, are treated at the hands of the criminal justice system today. Does the name “Mike Nifong” mean anything to you? Do you have any doubt that if the Duke student’s families had not spent an estimated one million dollars APIECE on lawyers, they would be on their way to prison? How might we have fared, in similar circumstances?

      The proper context is what matters.

      I maintain, from the little I know, that the major error of Kevin Alfred Strom’s life was in trying to act out roles for which we is simply not constitutionally suited. The fact is, trying to live an Ozzie and Harriet life, in an Ozzie Osborne America (phrase borrowed from Covington’s “A Distant Thunder”), poses challenges too great for most men.

      Simply stated, Kevin Alfred Strom never should have married.

      If making that analysis, and that statement, makes me “as sick as he is,” then we are using the psychological definition of illness in the same manner as the demonic Jews of the former Soviet Union did when they used psychological definitions as political tools, for those who committed “thought crimes.”

      you wrote:

      Anyone who has any sympathy for Strom or believes he was “set up” by ZOG or the FBI is a lunatic and should be drummed out of the movement.

      in reply:
      The functional equivalent of the same statements were made concerning the fundamental rights of the Duke students.

      Perhaps the “Movement” that would drum them out should be allowed to quietly fade into the dust bin of history.

      Would that be the Rockwell era “Movement?”

      Whatever happened to that?

      Would that be the Pierce era “Movement?”

      Whatever happened to that?

      Would that be the “Movement” that David Lane went looking for, and never found?

      Would that be the “Movement” that is routinely neutralized in the most elementary of means of expression, and then finds itself bewildered at the idea that our Racial Enemies will strike back at ease, so easy a target are we?

      By this, of course, I mean – for example – how easily Linder was neutralized by the law enforcement community in Knoxville, and how easily VNN Forum has been shut down – twice, now, for the latter.

      Is it THAT “Movement” to which you are referring?

      Or is it the current occupants of Pierce’s Valhalla In The Mountains?

      Is it the “Movement” that continues to use archaic equipment to do Internet broadcasts – stand mikes rather than USB head-set mikes, for example – which refuses to even do equipment checks before they go on the air? (In this regard, let me mention my admiration for your shows with Jarl. Hopefully, they will be available on archive soon! At LEAST you do equipment checks before you go on the air!)

      Covington – and Linder – had it right.

      Covington noted the “Movement” was always sleepwalking compared to its potential, and Linder noted that it was the damndest thing he had ever seen; we had the best Ideas, the best Ideals, and the damndest bunch of idiots and loons out there “representing” us to the public. I cringed when I hear Martin Linstadt (sp?) on a Peter Shank broadcast with Linder.

      THAT “Movement?”

      My GOD!

      Being “drummed out of (that) Movement” is like being drummed out of an insane asylum, and an ineptly run insane asylum, at that!

      Hell, it’s all they can do to find anyone of quality who would want to be drummed IN!

      you wrote:

      Anyone who believes he was “set up” by his wife should realize that the reason he was given a plea bargain, as I understand it, is because his wife refused to testify.

      in reply:
      Let me see if I understand you.

      A woman who wished the DEATH PENALTY for Kevin Alfred Strom refused to testify against him because…

      Feel free to fill in the blanks whenever you want.

      I suspect he was given a plea bargain because it is simply much easier for the Justice Department to deal with the case, and all of the issues around it.

      And, considering the way, say, Matt Hale was treated, I suspect no high-visibility members of the “Movement” are getting any favors from Justice these days.

      Incidentally, Ed Steele did a great summary of the issues around Matt Hale, who currently resides at a Federal Supermax, and what we can all learn from it. It’s on his website, in an MP3 called, “Let’s Get Small.”

      you wrote:

      Anyone who thinks someone “set him up” by placing cameras on him should realize that Kevin Alfred Strom put cameras and tape recorders on everything he did for decades in order to avoid being “set up”, and this is how paranoid lunacy backfires on you.

      in reply:
      Are you seriously stating Strom set up cameras to record HIMSELF watching pictures on the computer?

      Are you serious?

      “Paranoid lunacy” can certainly backfire on you; as Covington noted, how Pierce chose to place his headquarters in the literal middle of nowhere, where his followers could not reach him, and hope to build an organization of any substance has always seemed, well, the actions of a lunatic.

      And, as for being “paranoid,” we can ask Matt Hale about whether or not this is a good idea.

      As David Duke said, “When a man comes up to you and starts suggesting something remotely illegal, just tell him you do NOt want to talk to him, and walk away. If he follows you, tell him if he follows you, you will go to the police.”

      Good advice.

      Paranoid?

      Ask Matt Hale.

      And, as Tom Metzger said, “If someone proposes you do something illegal, ask yourself why he hasn’t done it himself. Then, walk away, remember, and use, the Five Words.”

      Paranoid?

      Ask Matt Hale.

      you wrote:

      Strom is a sick, sick, fuck, and all attempts to rehabilitate him into the movement come from other sick fucks who should be drummed out with him.

      in reply:
      I suspect students of interpersonal dynamics would see this as being something more than a one-sided situation, at least in terms of understanding exactly what went on, why, and how.

      Again, no one is proposing to rehabilitate Kevin Alfred Strom into any “Movement,” if only because there is no “Movement.”

      I am proposing that his life could be profitably spent in service to the Race, by studying with Eustace Mullins.

      God only knows, we can not afford to waste anyone of any abilities whatsoever.

      More thoughts on a “Movement” to follow.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    39. Subrosa Says:

      Bill White saying that KAS didn’t contribute anything substantial to the movement is laughable coming from someone that next to his good buddy Elisha is the most disruptive element in the so-called movement.
      KAS was instrumental in getting the NV Broadcasts up and running and was the run responsible for pitching it to AM radio. Yes, NV was on a few AM stations at one time!

      So who has contributed more to the movement? Someone that runs around in Nazi costumes and writes gossip to get attention, or someone that made Dr. Pierce accessible to hundreds of thousands?

      I think we all know the answer to that.

    40. Ein Says:

      Bob says: “I don’t care if Kevin Strom sexually enjoys seeing pictures of young girls or not as long as he does it in private. Bu the Jews wanted it public so that they could liquidate him. I have always remembered and will continue to remember that Kevin Alfred Strom was of great service to the white community. ”

      Very sad. Although I may sometimes disagree with some of their opinions, their strategy, or even their private behavior, that’s all personal. I make it a principal not to criticize another WN. I wish all would.

      The moral of this story is that if ZOG can’t get you on THIS thing, they’ll get you on THAT thing. If they can’t get you for porn, then maybe for financial irregularities. (How about a nice tax audit?) If not that, then maybe for drugs? Nothing there? Well then maybe animal cruelty, or spousal abuse, or failure to cut your grass, or SOMETHING! They’ll get you, even if it has to be for littering. But, for god’s sake, they’ll get you.

      All WN’s have to be very careful. Even paranoid … and with reason. People drawn to this sort of movement do tend to be, well, unconventional — and therefore even more vulnerable to such “investigations”. WN’s are not conformists; if we were, we would not be here — we would be conforming. How many of our lives could hold up under the withering scrutiny of a microscope? (How many of theirs could either? But they’re not under the microscope.) Theoretically, we should all live our lives as saints. But realistically, the fact is that no one’s “perfect” [according to whose standards anyway?] And even then, if ZOG can’t FIND something, they’ll PLANT it.

      Great post from Bob! Like him, I could not care less about Strom’s private life or tastes – so long as they remain just that: private. But the betrayal by Strom’s former wife is utterly contemptable. Whatever their differences were, in regards to their marriage, those also should have remained forever private.

    41. Ein Says:

      Say Goodnight says: “In a White world, Kevin Strom would deserve death for stalking a fifth grader, sending her poems, gifts and marriage proposals. Had that been my daughter, death is what he would have got.”

      I wrote the previous post before reading this. In this case (if it’s true, that is) then such behavior as this is no longer private. I don’t think this is what Bob meant ,and I’m sure he wouldn’t condone it. Neither can I. There has to be a limit.

    42. Truthteller Says:

      At itz. height nationalvanguard.org was bringing in more visitors than stormfront.org – That is the potential of a good WN news site. The Stroms did a good job on that.

      However this does not take away from the fact that Kevin Alfred Strom is a pervert and a sicko and hopefully he will spend the rest of his life under supervision as a sexual predator. To reflect that he nearly destroyed a little 9 year olds life because of his sickness.

      As for Bill White – He truly needs to grow up!

    43. New America Says:

      in reply to Ernst Roehm:

      you wrote:

      You’re kidding about hoping that Strom gets out and works with Eustace Mullins, right?

      in reply:
      No, I am very serious.

      Kevin Alfred Strom has done his time (most of it, anyway), and will return to “society,” one way or another, sooner or later.

      Then what?

      Glad you asked.

      You don’t throw away a diamond because of one flaw; you correct the flaw, and have a better diamond for your troubles.

      You can define Kevin Alfred Strom’s “flaws” any way you choose; I think he should never have married, and focused his efforts solely on information and analysis of RACIAL issues for our RACE.

      Period.

      Harold Covington wrote, movingly, of his conversion to Racialism, and, in time, National Socialism. The price he paid was something called Holy Aryan Poverty.

      A lot of us are a lot closer to being in reduced circumstances than we feel comfortable discussing, but it is worthwhile to see periods of loss, and lack, as opportunities for spiritual development.

      Potentially, this can also be the case with Kevin Alfred Strom.

      His side of the story of what can only be considered a horrific “marriage” – to someone who apparently chose the name “manipulator” as the first part of her email address on her website – is something he will be most reluctant to discuss, and rightfully so.

      Kevin Alfred Strom has demonstrated great abilities, and simply needs the proper framework to fulfill these abilities for our RACE.

      Simply put – being freed of the responsibilities of marriage, and being without financial resources of more than a most nominal amount, will free him up to focus solely on analysis and commentary that our RACE so desperately needs.

      Working with the mature, disciplined scholarship – and wisdom – of a Eustace Mullins would be a perfect opportunity for Kevin Alfred Strom to be what he wants to become for the RACE. The works of a lifetime can be reworked into a new, polished, much more accessible form by exposing them to the lens of Kevin Alfred Strom’s analytical abilities.

      We could have an heir to Mullins who, like Ezra Pound, did time, and grew not just in learning, but in wisdom, as a result of such limitations.

      We need all of the skills, talents and abilities we can get.

      you wrote:

      You left out Jaime Kelso! (LMAO!)

      in reply:
      As I said above, “We need all of the skills, talents and abilities we can get.

      Say what you will about Kelso, for whatever reason, he gave a well-spoken, well-reasoned, analysis of our situation at Knoxville.

      He was MUCH more polished, professional, and presentable than many of the people who were there, on either side.

      And he came to Linder’s aid.

      No questions asked, no favors owed; he came to Linder’s aid with necessary technical skills.

      Kelso has moved forward from “the Movement” as it was, and is playing a role in ‘the Movement” as it it becoming.

      We need more like him – a lot more, and we need them now.

      Incidentally, regarding Mr. Kelso, one comment:

      he was criticized for having apparently been involved with Scientology at an earlier, more impressionable time of his life.

      There is a video on the Internet featuring Tom Cruise at a Scientology award banquet.

      Get that video, and, say what you will about Scientology, look at it and ask yourself this one question:

      Why can’t we attract people of that level of skill, focus, and disciplined intensity?

      What can we do about that?

      When should we do that?

      Why not now?

      Why not?

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    44. Bill White Says:

      Kevin Alfred Strom is relaunching National Vanguard, and several National Vanguard leaders have already agreed to assist him. A meeting is planned for the near future, along with a “welcome back”
      celebration dinner for Strom.

      More on this as it develops …

    45. New America Says:

      in reply to Bill White:

      This is from the current Open Thread:

      Two, there was talk of a need for a banner for – was it Bill White’s organization? Something within VNN?

      An ideal framework can be seen on the cover of “American Empire – The Victorious Opposition.” Just take that banner, and replace the blue with black, and the stars with white lines. The eagle can be replaced with something like the stylized Atriedes Hawk Flag from the Children of Dune movie, and white would be used where gold is currently used on the banners.

      It even has the word “FREEDOM” already on it, making it most useful, indeed.

      While this new information certainly comes as a surprise, in the spirit of Racial Amity, let’s bear in mind that we have no shortage of opportunities before us.

      I have had nothing but admiration for the leadership you have demonstrated, and look forward to further demonstrations of this leadership in the future.

      And, concerning Kevin Alfred Strom, let’s hope he has the opportunity to meet his Destiny in the fulfillment of a great Work for the RACE, freed from responsibilities that, quite clearly, he was not suited…

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    46. Bill White Says:

      I did not say that with the intent of celebrating or welcoming Strom, but with the intent of alerting with activists to the latest new threat to our community.

      Strom must be drummed out and prohibited from ever returning. His efforts in “the movement” to date have been despicable, and simply his dishonesty, two facedness, and obvious mental illness should have been enough to drum him out long before he was arrested for child porn.

      It is only because there is a clique of pedophiles and pederasts in “the movement” as sick as Strom that serious consideration is being given to his return.

      Upon release, he should be strung up and castrated, not welcomed back as a “flawed diamond”, even if the idea makes him feel aas pretty as the little girls he stalks.

    47. Phil Anderson Says:

      The best thing Strom could do for the movement is to blow his fucking brains out.

    48. SA Mann Says:

      Strom did write “The Beast As A Saint” about Marxist Looter Coon.
      He should be banished from our ranks just like Frank Collins was from the NSWPP. Don’t regard this piece of filth as a “political prisoner”. To do so, you take away from men like Ernst Zundel that are truly incarcirated for their beliefs. Strom put himself where he is. If he’d made advances towards my daughter, the “movement” drama queens wouldn’t have to ponder his return.

    49. New America Says:

      in reply to Bill White:

      you wrote:

      I did not say that with the intent of celebrating or welcoming Strom, but with the intent of alerting with activists to the latest new threat to our community.

      in reply:
      I believed as much, and it does not matter.

      No matter when he returns, Strom will have signed an Agreement whereby he agrees to register as a sex offender, and stay away from children. The Federal Probation Officer (FPO) will insure this Order is complied with.

      Kevin Alfred Strom will be required to meet with his FPO at his FPO’s discretion, and the FPO will have 24/7 access to Kevin’s residence, and his possessions. This will probably include all communications and correspondence.

      I’m glad to hear about alerting all of the activists, and I suspect you, Alex Linder, and the other about twenty or so “activists” will be informed, if only by Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom.

      And it won’t matter…

      you wrote:

      Strom must be drummed out and prohibited from ever returning. His efforts in “the movement” to date have been despicable, and simply his dishonesty, two facedness, and obvious mental illness should have been enough to drum him out long before he was arrested for child porn.

      in reply:
      In the words of Alex Linder, “Excellence is the best rebellion.”

      Being “drummed out (of) the ‘Movement'” is like being drummed out of an ineptly managed lunatic asylum, and a confederacy of dunces.

      It is also an opportunity to Do Better, Elsewhere.

      I suspect, if Kevin Alfred Strom was given a Macintosh, some excellent WN media would be developed.

      That’s all I’m asking for; anything else is simply frosting on the cake.

      If memory serves, someone else made good use of his time in prison, and better use of his time after he left.

      He wrote a book describing his struggle…

      you wrote:

      It is only because there is a clique of pedophiles and pederasts in “the movement” as sick as Strom that serious consideration is being given to his return.

      in reply:
      Certainly not for long!

      I have no doubt an amazing and comprehensive list was developed from Kevin’s correspondence, and discussions concerning that correspondence.

      I believe Martin Linstedt – wait – where IS Marty these days?

      And, it is far more than a clique of “pederasts and pedophiles” that wishes Kevin Alfred Strom well, and wants him back in whatever capacity he can serve the RACE.

      We need ALL of the help we can get…

      I suspect even Someone Else overlooked Ernst Roehm’s unworthy activities’ at least, until The Night of the Long Knives…

      Hell, this “Movement” acts more like “A Night At The Opera,” than The Night of the Long Knives…

      you wrote:

      Upon release, he should be strung up and castrated, not welcomed back as a “flawed diamond”, even if the idea makes him feel aas pretty as the little girls he stalks.

      in reply:
      The charge of child molestation was made so easy to make in the Nineties as a tool for the destruction of the Masculine Role in marriage.

      It is easy to make, and difficult to refute.

      Again, if the Courts feel it is safe for Kevin Alfred Strom to walk the streets, with all of the safeguards they will install (electronic monitoring bracelets are a possibility), then he – and we – will obey the law…

      If Kevin Alfred Strom begins to stray from the Path of Righteousness, the Courts will hammer him like something out of the stories of the Norse Gods.

      So, what do we do?

      I have made my opinions of Kevin Alfred Strom known on this blog, on several occasions.

      I maintain that, absent the burden of relationships that are not in harmony with his nature, he may well do useful work, and quite useful work at that, for the RACE.

      This will be particularly true if he moves in with, and learns from, someone like Eustace Mullins.

      I look at the promotional clips he did for National Vanguard concerning other racial organizations, and the need for a white organization. “There ARE Two Sides…”

      This was the most memorable work of its type I have seen.

      Given a Macintosh, he could do more – and better – much more, and much better, for our RACE.

      All he needs is time in the company of supportive, older, wiser men.

      And, again, in all marital relationships, there is more than one side of the story. For instance. I don’t recall Kevin Alfred Strom signing his emails with the prefix address “manipulator.”

      I could be mistaken, but I doubt it.

      My concern is not his failed marriages; those will be addressed y the legal system.

      My concern is the future of our RACE.

      For THAT, we will need all of the help we can get, to do WHAT we can, WHILE we can.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    50. New America Says:

      in reply to Phil Anderson:

      you wrote:

      The best thing Strom could do for the movement is to blow his fucking brains out.

      in reply:
      The best thing “the movement” – and I am using THAT term with great generosity – could do, is go forth, and do BETTER than they have.

      It would take very little, indeed, to accomplish that.

      First, someone would have to actually FIND “the movement.”

      David Lane tried.

      He tried, and died, because there WAS no “Movement,” and nobody had a clue as to how they could develop one that actually made a positive difference for the members, and the RACE.

      Covington, Linder and White are each putting together pieces of that puzzle…

      And they need all of the help they can get.

      So do we…

      As a RACE.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    51. New America Says:

      in reply to SA Mann:

      you wrote:

      Strom did write “The Beast As A Saint” about Marxist Looter Coon.

      in reply:
      He did that, and a lot more.

      He could do so much more, in the right circumstances.

      Especially with a Macintosh…

      you wrote:

      He should be banished from our ranks just like Frank Collins was from the NSWPP. Don’t regard this piece of filth as a “political prisoner”. To do so, you take away from men like Ernst Zundel that are truly incarcirated for their beliefs.

      in reply:
      One, I guess “our ranks” have assembled in the same safe, distant field “the Movement” has. Is that the SIX people who supported Linder in Knoxville, or maybe a few more, say, an even dozen?

      Being “banished” from such company is like being “banished” from eating rutabaga…

      And, we’re all out of rutabaga…

      Two, no one regards Kevin Alfred Strom as a “political prisoner.”

      you wrote:

      Strom put himself where he is. If he’d made advances towards my daughter, the “movement” drama queens wouldn’t have to ponder his return.

      in reply:
      Apt phrasing there!

      “…the “movement” drama queens…”

      Glad to see you put the word “movement” in quotation marks, because it hardly qualifies as a noun, and certainly does not qualify as a verb…

      And, “drama queens” is a particularly apt term to describe members of “the ‘movement’,” who seem more interested in mutually self-destructive criticism, than actually accomplishing the smallest Good Deed in the Real World. They seem to fail at being *ahem* “manipulators,” wouldn’t you say?

      They were losers when they came, and they will be losers when they leave.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    52. Ich Bin Laden Says:

      “Strom could receive a maximum of 10 years in prison and up to a $250,000 fine when he’s sentenced April 21.”

      Aren’t these penalties a bit harsh for the act of downloading a file onto one’s computer?

    53. melcur Says:

      As the new commander of the ANSWP, I will welcome KAS back with open arms. He was a great teacher. KAS did many great things for our race. We can’t judge a man for one minor mistake.

    54. Ich Bin Laden Says:

      You know, I’ve never been a fan of KAS, and don’t believe the white nationalist movement should have anything more to do with him at this point, but I am a little surprised at how hostile some of these comments are. Strom is an embarassment, but this episode isn’t something any of us should be happy about and what’s happening to him isn’t something we should be cheering. There are a lot of people more deserving of hatred than KAS. The venom in this thread seems a little weird to me.

    55. New America Says:

      in reply to Ich Bin Laden:

      you wrote”

      “Strom could receive a maximum of 10 years in prison and up to a $250,000 fine when he’s sentenced April 21.”

      Aren’t these penalties a bit harsh for the act of downloading a file onto one’s computer?

      in reply:
      Yes, yes they are.

      And that assumes he downloaded that particular file, with that particular intention.

      I suspect neither of these assumptions are quite the entire story, by a long shot.

      you wrote:

      You know, I’ve never been a fan of KAS, and don’t believe the white nationalist movement should have anything more to do with him at this point, but I am a little surprised at how hostile some of these comments are. Strom is an embarassment, but this episode isn’t something any of us should be happy about and what’s happening to him isn’t something we should be cheering. There are a lot of people more deserving of hatred than KAS. The venom in this thread seems a little weird to me.

      in reply:
      The venom, with the exception of Bill White, is from failures – let’s not mince words here.

      The venom is from people who have never accomplished anything substantial; indeed, they have not accomplished much of anything, come to think of it.

      The venom is from failures – “drama queens,” if you will – who project their own feelings of inadequacy onto someone who has actually done something for us, both at the personal level, and at the RACIAL level.

      They are, essentially, low-energy “manipulators,” who have failed to “manipulate” even their own sad, miserable lives.

      I have great hope for Kevin Alfred Strom.

      As I made clear, both here and in other threads, his problem is that he should never have tried to make an Ozzie and Harriet life, in an Ozzie Osborne America.

      Paul tells us some men are simply not cut out for the estate of marriage.

      Kevin seems to be one of them.

      The good news is, with nothing, and nothing to lose, Kevin Alfred Strom has become a much freer man than so many of us, and I trust he will use this freedom in selfless service to the RACE.

      Working to capture and transform the words and analysis of Eustace Mullins would serve as an excellent starting point…

      For Kevin Alfred Strom, and for all of us.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    56. melcur Says:

      Bill White is mad because people see through his lies. Strom had a problem like all of us. We all have problems. Strom has spent time in jail and paid the price. I will be the first one to welcome him back and forgive him.

    57. New America Says:

      I do have one word of advice for all of us, across the entire spectrum of this travesty called White Nationalism.

      I advised one and all to go to Edgar Steele’s website, and download the “Let’s Get Small” mp3. It is full to the brim of useful information, and, in particular, has some of the best advice you will ever hear on issues that loom large in the lives of the “drama queens” among us.

      Essentially, the critical point is this:

      Always assume you are talking with an agent of the Federal investigative agencies.

      Simple as that.

      All of this drama about “paranoia” and “COINTELPRO” is simply that – drama.

      It makes you feel more important than you really are – “Look how important I am! THEY are after ME!”

      No.

      Nobody is “after you,” because you simple do not do anything that matters, one way or the other.

      “They” are always watching, and they always will.

      It is their JOB, Dummy!

      The solution is simple; you really should have downloaded Steele’s mp3 by now, so you will know this.

      I will make it easy for you.

      Live an exemplary life, and do exemplary things.

      All of these talk about the use of force (with the exception of legitimate self-defense) is simply the wishful day-dreaming of impotent fools, or the urgings of agents provocateur.

      Simple as that.

      Check with Steele’s mp3 as to how little it took to bring Matt Hale to spending the rest of his life in a concrete tomb of a Federal Supermax.

      Literally, all Hale had to do was take Duke’s advice, and simply WALK AWAY from the agent, and SAY, in a loud enough voice for the microphone’s to pick up, “Stay away from me. I don’t know what you are talking about.” Then, get up and WALK AWAY. If you are followed, turn to him and tell him, ‘STOP following me, or I will go to the police.”

      Then, if he keeps following you, GO to the police, and report him.

      Don’t be a victim.

      Hale is spending the rest of his life in a concrete tomb.

      So are the members of The Order.

      So, if someone talks in terms of “them” being out to “get you,” make sure “they ” are your legitimate competitors in your chosen field of Life, and their motivation is inspired by simple jealousy that you are doing better, and are more successful than “they” are.

      Is Burger King out to “get” McDonald’s?

      You bet – 24/7, without sleep, someone in Burger King is trying to “get ” McDonalds, but it is in the open and honest marketplace.

      THAT is where we will win.

      We have the best Ideas, and the best Ideals; in the marketplace of Ideas, “they” ARE out to “get” us, because they are jealous; there is no intelligent opposition to White Nationalism, and its economic Aspect for this age, National Socialism.

      This presents unlimited, damn near insurmountable, opportunities, to prove that our Ideas, and our Ideals, are better than theirs.

      Everything follows from that, and it does so organically; cleanly, simply, and honestly, in support of the evolution of our RACE.

      If you STILL haven’t downloaded the Steele’s mp3 of “Let’s Get Small,” please do so, and then, download Covington’s Northwest Trilogy novels.

      Now, just assume that, as GM is “paranoid” about Toyota, and is out to “get” Toyota, that such motivations are the anger of the Inferior for the Superior.

      Then, be the Superior.

      Be what you want the world to become.

      After all, if “they” are watching, let’s give them something to admire, and to emulate.

      Let’s give them something to be PROUD of!

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    58. Subrosa Says:

      I agree with melcur. The only people against KAS coming back are the losers of the ANSWP. We all have a past. During high school I dated many Asian girls. I even dated a Negro girl during my senior year. Everyone of us has made a mistake. One bad mistake does not erase all the good KAS did for our cause.

    59. Alex Linder Says:

      # melcur Says:
      17 January, 2008 at 11:42 am

      As the new commander of the ANSWP, I will welcome KAS back with open arms. He was a great teacher. KAS did many great things for our race. We can’t judge a man for one minor mistake.

      You are fucking crazy.

      Kevin Strom is a pedophile, and anybody who has anything to do with him has NOTHING to do with White Nationalism, certainly not with VNN.

    60. Alex Linder Says:

      # Subrosa Says:
      17 January, 2008 at 4:34 pm

      I agree with melcur. The only people against KAS coming back are the losers of the ANSWP. We all have a past. During high school I dated many Asian girls. I even dated a Negro girl during my senior year. Everyone of us has made a mistake. One bad mistake does not erase all the good KAS did for our cause.

      Subrosa, I wouldn’t trust you a fucking inch.

      Oh, it’s cool. KAS wants to molest little girls. That’s cool.

      You guys are crazy.

      This is not a mistake. This is this freak’s reason for existing. He’s into little girls, you stupid assholes.

      If you keep backing him up, you’re antis, and get the fuck out of here. I don’t want you coming anywhere around VNN. You fucking pedophile supporters.

      An absolute line must be drawn on this, and KAS supporters are NOT WELCOME at VNN.

    61. Alex Linder Says:

      As for you New America, this ain’t no theoretical discussion.

      This fucking creep was stalking a little White girl. That’s a fact.

      Take your crazy dreams of Eustis Mullin throwing away his reputation by working with a pedophile and throw them in the garbage where they belong.

      You guys don’t get it. KAS likes LITTLE GIRLS. Just like your daughters.

      This is not something to joke about or overlook.

      When this fucker gets out of prison, he will go right back to doing the same fucking thing, and this time there won’t be someone there to stop him before he molests somebody.

      Man, I can’t believe I have to say this. I’m ashamed of the reactions here. You backing him are too lazy to read the facts, or you just plain don’t care that this 50-year-old is SEXUALLY INTO LITTLE GIRLS.

      WTF?

    62. Alex Linder Says:

      VNN’s OFFICIAL POSITION is that Kevin Alfred Strom ought to hang himself in prison, or shoot himself when he’s let out. That is the ONLY honorable thing he can do to help the White race.

    63. New America Says:

      in reponse to Alex Linder:

      you wrote:

      As for you New America, this ain’t no theoretical discussion.

      in reply:
      Nobody said it was a “theoretical discussion.”

      It wasn’t, and it isn’t.

      Kevin Alfred Strom will not be released until the Federal judiciary, and all of its support staff – including psych evals – say so.

      And, even then, he will be closely monitored by Federal agents.

      CLOSELY monitored.

      you wrote:

      This fucking creep was stalking a little White girl. That’s a fact.

      in reply:
      Issues either dealt with, or being dealt with, by the judicial system, which, I can assure, isn’t doing Kevin Alfred Strom any favors.

      you wrote:

      Take your crazy dreams of Eustis Mullin throwing away his reputation by working with a pedophile and throw them in the garbage where they belong.

      in reply:
      Mullins is in his declining years – and that is putting it mildly – and his “reputation” in so many quarters was shot so long ago, having one good Student to clean up his life’s work would be a source of quiet joy for him.

      Remember this – Kevin Alfred Strom will be the most closely monitored person in the Federal correctional system who is not behind bars.

      you wrote:

      You guys don’t get it. KAS likes LITTLE GIRLS. Just like your daughters.

      This is not something to joke about or overlook.

      in reply:
      I take this so damn seriously…

      Whatever happened to that damn “Movement” all of these people talk about?

      I (loosely) quote YOU: “It’s the damndest thing I have ever seen; we have the best Ideas, the best Ideals, and the damndest bunch of clowns and idiots out there representing us.”

      I was going to address certain aspects of this in my commentary dealing with the comment of Briseis on a Friday FTL some time back, as to why so many of the young men we deal with are in such reduced circumstances, with such limited futures…and what White Nationalism and National Socialism, and the Northwest Republic model, could do to deal constructively with that situation.

      Remember the British skinheads?

      Whatever happened to THAT group of economically and socially marginalized young men?

      What can we do to insure that either (1) it does not happen here, or (2) it can be ameliorated into a positive force.

      I can give them t-shirts with a quote from Alex Linder:

      The best rebellion is excellence.

      That would be a start, which is what we might be able to help them with – at least conceptually – and that is more than anyone else is offering.

      you wrote:

      When this fucker gets out of prison, he will go right back to doing the same fucking thing, and this time there won’t be someone there to stop him before he molests somebody.

      in reply:
      See above.

      Kevin Alfred Strom will be the most closely monitored man in America outside of a Federal Supermax; electronic, immovable tracking bracelet on his ankle, for openers, and that is just for openers.

      Mandatory psychological counseling, with REAL psychologists, and not in meetings where surreptitious recording takes place.

      And this is just for openers.

      you wrote:

      Man, I can’t believe I have to say this. I’m ashamed of the reactions here. You backing him are too lazy to read the facts, or you just plain don’t care that this 50-year-old is SEXUALLY INTO LITTLE GIRLS.

      in reply:
      Listen – look at your earlier comments to Kevin and Elisha – “Hear me, bitch, and hear me well…” – and place those against mine.

      I defended your injudicious actions during PornGate.

      I defended them on the grounds that not was it your right to do so (as the Owner), but that they proved print was a virtually useless media for getting our message across, in this, the Digital Age.

      The absence of any updates to “The Aryan Alternative” seems to have proved me correct.

      Over time, look at the quality of my comments; Hell, look at the first Open Thread.

      I can read the facts, and I can interpret the facts as well as anyone else here.

      I also know the Federal judiciary will NOTlet Kevin Alfred Strom go without constant monitoring, and a wall of measures to insure he only poses a threat to himself.

      you wrote:

      WTF?

      in reply:
      I am not a “supporter” of Kevin Alfred Strom in toto.

      I am a supporter of three ideas:

      One, Kevin Alfred Strom will not be released until a Federal judge and his assistants – professional counseling included – are satisfied he poses no substantial threat to the community.

      Two, Kevin Alfred Strom will be returned to the community under the most stringent monitoring of anyone outside of a Federal Supermax.

      Three, we need all of the help we can get.

      I was horrified to see VNNers only put together a little more than a thousand dollars – ONCE – to support your efforts on behaof of our RACE, and, at the same time, sent THREE thousand dollars to Ron Paul.

      I was horrified to turn on VNN Forum one day, and see Elisha Strom – is that the same person whose former e-mail address was “manipulator@elishastrom.com” – as an ADMINISTRATOR, with the power to harvest IP’s.

      I was horrified to see Dietrich’s analysis of how – correct me if I am wrong here – someone in Administration – Elisha Strom? – deleted numerous comments on the VNN Forum…

      I defended you through PornGate – which, apparently, cost VNN a lot of support, and high quality contributors, on the principles above.

      I was also damn near the lone voice around here defending Bill White’s incredible efforts, for the same reason.

      I’ll defend Kevin Alfred Strom’s right to do his best for our RACE – under constant Federal supervision, AFTER he has been vetted by the Federal judiciary and their PROFESSIONAL psych staff – for the same reason.

      If all of this makes me a Kevin Alfred Strom “supporter” – and I would be as much of a Kevin Alfred Strom “supporter” as a Federal judge, his professional psychological evaluation staff, and his professional law enforcement staff – then so be it.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    64. Get A Clue Says:

      Nailed it down perfectly, Alex. There is no place for Strom’s conduct in our society. We don’t need to “police our own” over this. We need to summarily execute freaks like this on the spot.

      Strom plead out on the porn charges and will probably be out in a year or two. Since he had not (yet) raped the fifth grader of his dreams, the fag judge dropped the “sexual coercion of a minor” charge. That same judge admitted in his ruling that Kevin Strom was “sexually obsessed with the child,” but his actions had not yet met the legal criteria for sexual coercion.

      The freak walked on a technicality.

      You ever wonder why we never heard a lot about these particular “offenders” back in the day? It’s because white parents, white men, took it out into the woods, killed it and left it in a shallow hole for the animals to eat. No one ever mentioned it again. That is exactly the way it used to be in America.

      Just so we are clear: In October, a ten year old girl testified that Kevin Strom stalked her, sent her gifts and wrote her poems saying he wanted to marry her. A ten year old girl. Her mother testified that it was she, not Elisha, who called police and started the investigative ball rolling after Kevin ignored the mother’s demand that he stay away from her child.

      Even after being warned to stay away, the sick, twisted freak was caught hiding in the bushes outside the child’s elementary school with another gift for this little girl.

      Back in the aforementioned day, KAS would have been found swinging from the tree nearest those bushes he was caught hiding in.

      Mr. Strom had help in his “courtship” of this child. Fellow NA member, and Revilo Oliver estate executor, John Justice, allowed Kevin to purchase gifts for this little girl on his credit card. Justice is very likely the New America character above.

      The mother testified she saw Kevin outside her house at all hours of the night, trying to get a glimpse of her daughter. She lived more than an hour away from the Strom’s.

      Where this terrified woman’s husband, the little girl’s father, would be in all this remains unclear.

      Had that been my daughter, where Kevin Alfred Alfred Strom would be today would also remain unclear.

    65. sgruber Says:

      In October, a ten year old girl testified that Kevin Strom stalked her, sent her gifts and wrote her poems saying he wanted to marry her. A ten year old girl. Her mother testified that it was she, not Elisha, who called police and started the investigative ball rolling after Kevin ignored the mother’s demand that he stay away from her child.

      Is this what “New America” calls being a Romantic? Kevin was just too good for this dirty world, eh?

      The mother testified she saw Kevin outside her house at all hours of the night, trying to get a glimpse of her daughter. She lived more than an hour away from the Strom’s.

      The last of the Romantics!

      Maybe you can move in with Mullins and Strom, New America, in a home in the Northwest Passage. There you can all stroke off to pics of Lynx and Lamb while drowning and praising Jesus.

      You should do it.

      If not now, when?

      If not me, who?

      If not – ah, it’s like shooting a carp in a can.

    66. New America Says:

      in reply to Get A Clue:

      you wrote:

      Nailed it down perfectly, Alex. There is no place for Strom’s conduct in our society. We don’t need to “police our own” over this. We need to summarily execute freaks like this on the spot.

      Strom plead out on the porn charges and will probably be out in a year or two. Since he had not (yet) raped the fifth grader of his dreams, the fag judge dropped the “sexual coercion of a minor” charge. That same judge admitted in his ruling that Kevin Strom was “sexually obsessed with the child,” but his actions had not yet met the legal criteria for sexual coercion.

      The freak walked on a technicality.

      in reply:
      One, the Federal judiciary – no friends of White Nationalists, as Matt Hale can testify – ruled according to the law. If you will look at the developing legal trends in legislation and litigation, you will discover we should all hope for a judiciary that does not see us as the “Human Rights Commissions” do.

      Two, that legal “technicality” is one man’s loophole, and another man’s lifeline.

      The day is coming where we will need every possible “technicality”; listen to Steele’s mp3 of “Let’s Get Small” to get an idea of this.

      And, the idea that someone who has not “raped” someone is somehow guilty of “rape” looks like something out of the world of rationalization, rather than rational analysis.

      you wrote:

      You ever wonder why we never heard a lot about these particular “offenders” back in the day? It’s because white parents, white men, took it out into the woods, killed it and left it in a shallow hole for the animals to eat. No one ever mentioned it again. That is exactly the way it used to be in America.

      in reply:
      Ah, yes.

      “The Good Old Days.”

      Where someone else did what we wish we had the courage to do…

      Do you REALLY think the Federal judiciary would dare let any – ANY – White Nationalist get away with anything?

      Ask the members of The Order; they seem to have acted like White Men did back in “the old days.”

      They, like Matt Hale, will also never be leaving the Federal Correctional Institution.

      The irony is this: how much more would the better members of The Order have been is they had channelled their talents and abilities in positive directions?

      They, and, for that matter, us, and “The Movement.”

      We might actually HAVE a “Movement” to refer to…

      you wrote:

      Just so we are clear: In October, a ten year old girl testified that Kevin Strom stalked her, sent her gifts and wrote her poems saying he wanted to marry her. A ten year old girl. Her mother testified that it was she, not Elisha, who called police and started the investigative ball rolling after Kevin ignored the mother’s demand that he stay away from her child.

      Even after being warned to stay away, the sick, twisted freak was caught hiding in the bushes outside the child’s elementary school with another gift for this little girl.

      in reply:
      Asked and answered.

      This has been, and will be, dealt with, by the Federal judiciary, and the Federal law enforcement community.

      This may well become part and parcel of Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom’s divorce proceedings, so we will be hearing this again and again.

      That’s fine, but – hopefully – Kevin Alfred Strom will be using his talents and abilities to help our RACE move forward, all the while.

      you wrote:

      Back in the aforementioned day, KAS would have been found swinging from the tree nearest those bushes he was caught hiding in.

      in reply:
      Ah, yes.

      Living in a Romantic past, where Someone Else “would” do what so many fantasize about doing.

      The most impotent “Movement” in the history of the damn world…

      you wrote:

      Mr. Strom had help in his “courtship” of this child. Fellow NA member, and Revilo Oliver estate executor, John Justice, allowed Kevin to purchase gifts for this little girl on his credit card. Justice is very likely the New America character above.

      The mother testified she saw Kevin outside her house at all hours of the night, trying to get a glimpse of her daughter. She lived more than an hour away from the Strom’s.

      in reply:
      Again, asked and answered.

      you wrote:

      Where this terrified woman’s husband, the little girl’s father, would be in all this remains unclear.

      in reply:
      Well, we shall probably find out in the fullness of time.

      In the meantime, I can certainly tell you what is NOT doing.

      He is NOT involved with any White Nationalist “Movement.”

      Oh, wait a minute…

      From your description, he doesn’t seem to be doing much of anything that we can see…

      So, yes, he would fit in just damn fine with the White Nationalist “Movement.”

      you wrote:

      Had that been my daughter, where Kevin Alfred Strom would be today would also remain unclear.

      in reply:
      Just out of curiosity, have you done anything productive for your RACE recently, like, say, sending some money to Alex Linder or something productive like that?

      Or does all of that “remain unclear?”

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    67. New America Says:

      in reply to sgruber:

      you wrote:
      In October, a ten year old girl testified that Kevin Strom stalked her, sent her gifts and wrote her poems saying he wanted to marry her. A ten year old girl. Her mother testified that it was she, not Elisha, who called police and started the investigative ball rolling after Kevin ignored the mother’s demand that he stay away from her child.

      Is this what “New America” calls being a Romantic? Kevin was just too good for this dirty world, eh?

      The mother testified she saw Kevin outside her house at all hours of the night, trying to get a glimpse of her daughter. She lived more than an hour away from the Strom’s.

      The last of the Romantics!

      in reply:
      One, the Federal judiciary, with the assistance of numerous professional psychologists, psychiatrists, and therapists, will decide on the legal issues at the Federal level.

      Anyone who thinks the Federal judiciary will let a high profile White Nationalist like Kevin Alfred Strom walk as anything less than the most controlled and monitored man this side of a Federal Supermax is kidding themselves.

      I am NOT defending the acts that Kevin Alfred Strom has been accused of, for one minute.

      I AM stating that the day will come, all too soon, where we will need every possible legal right, defense, and “technicality” we can imagine, and, frankly, more than we can imagine.

      Has ANYONE downloaded the Steele mp3 of “Let’s Get Small,” and listened to the painfully gained expertise of Edgar Steele, who has paid a horrifically high price for bearing the title of defending us?

      Has ANYONE seen what Child Protective Services can do if they so choose?

      The issue is the foundational issue of Due Process of Law.

      THAT is what is slowly being eroded, and we will be the first to suffer when it does.

      Just look at the Canadian Human Rights Tribunals, where they TELL you, “The Truth Is No Defense.”

      THAT Mindset is coming to OUR “Human Rights Commissions,” which, all too soon, will become “Human Rights Tribunals” in all but name. A great tool to get around all of that “due process of law,” which is so Western, so White, so, well, primitive in our Age of Enlightenment.

      you wrote:
      Maybe you can move in with Mullins and Strom, New America, in a home in the Northwest Passage. There you can all stroke off to pics of Lynx and Lamb while drowning and praising Jesus.

      You should do it.

      If not now, when?

      If not me, who?

      If not – ah, it’s like shooting a carp in a can.

      in reply:
      This comment in particularly unworthy of the high quality of comment you have offered in the past, so I will let it slide, with one exception:

      This “Movement,” which:

      (1) could not find a dozen people to stand with Alex Linder in Knoxville protesting horrific murders of White Children,

      (2) could not find a hundred people to stand with Hal Turner,

      (3) could not find even a thousand dollars a month for Alex Linder – with one one-time-only exception – while giving three times that much to Ron Paul,

      (4) can not keep basic websites and Internet radio going,

      (5) reduces the most complex and potentially valuable of issues to simple, interpersonal conflicts, and,

      (6) could not lead Marine to a whorehouse,

      NEEDS all of the help it can get, from any quarter at all, by any means necessary!

      My conception – which I articulated here, and to which I have received no reply whatsoever – has been to use VNN as the news source, the Ron Paul Campaign as our first chance to practice getting our political feet wet while dealing diplomatically with the Jews who are trying to undermine his campaign, leading, in time, to the development of a nucleus of a political organization, and then, a political party, and then, our own Nation in a Northwest Republic.

      Not us, though.

      No.

      We are all too damn busy doing our Two Minutes of Hate to Kevin Alfred Strom, our own Goldstein.

      And, in the meanwhile, we are doing – literally – nothing that matters, in a substantial way, for our Family, and our RACE.

      That’s OK.

      When Kevin Alfred Strom joins the rest of the world, I predict he will come forth with a flurry of Internet broadcasts – redoing some of his ADV’s for better audio quality would be an easy start to mastering the Macintosh – a blog, and a website, that will make us looking over our shoulder and seeing him on the Outside, and coming up fast.

      Unburdened by responsibilities to anyone but men and women who share his Vision for our RACE, he could well provide useful information, delivered in a variety of ways. A DAILY news and commentary show?

      Not at all out of the question.

      And, before returning to the Two Minutes of Hate, listen to the Steele mp3 of “Let’s Get Small,” and hear his words concerning Family Protective Services.

      For a change, let’s start LEARNING around here.

      I think it’s called evo-something, evo…, evo….

      Evolution!

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    68. Anchorage Activist Says:

      New America – Think about this before you continue advocating a reconciliation with Kevin Alfred Strom. If we allow KAS an active role or, worse yet, a leadership role in the Cause once again after he has pleaded guilty to a sex offense, we’ll be handing a propaganda coup of immense proportions to our enemies. It’s difficult enough to attract people to the Cause as it is now.

      KAS has no place in our movement any more. Remember the last part of the 14 Words, “and a future for White children”. What kind of future could KAS offer White children?

    69. New America Says:

      in reply to Anchorage Activist:

      you wrote:

      New America – Think about this before you continue advocating a reconciliation with Kevin Alfred Strom. If we allow KAS an active role or, worse yet, a leadership role in the Cause once again after he has pleaded guilty to a sex offense, we’ll be handing a propaganda coup of immense proportions to our enemies. It’s difficult enough to attract people to the Cause as it is now.

      in reply:
      Thank you for your thoughtful and considered reply.

      I am NOT recommending “a reconciliation with Kevin Alfred Strom.”

      I am NOT recommending we have anything to do with him whatsoever.

      Like so many things the White Nationalist “Movement” has done, it will not matter what we “do” with Kevin Alfred Strom.

      He will make his own, painful way into such roles as he may select, and is fit for.

      He will not want to have anything whatsoever to do with us, and that is just as well, for all parties.

      He will do WHAT he can, WHEN he can, for the RACE – every day for the rest of his life.

      Let’s be honest.

      That is more than most of us do on ANY day.

      And, as for a “Leadership Role within the Cause,” simply ask:

      (1) WHAT “Leadership?”

      (2) WHAT “Cause?”

      Those choices are up to us, daily.

      Frankly, the ease with which we have been neutralized on all fronts simply reminds me that, in so many ways, we are like Children, doomed to live the same day over and over again, in a Timeless State of Consciousness where lessons are never learned, and no one cares for, much less prepares for, the Times to Come.

      That Is What Is.

      Period.

      That is what I like and admire about Harold Covington; rather than retreat to a Past that never was, or live in a Present where we are Childish Victims, Covington argues we should prepare, today, in our daily lives, for the moment we can Create a RACIAL Homeland.

      If we never make it to this Valhalla, we shall still have learned valuable skills, abilities, and talents, which we can use daily to benefit our Familes, as the microcosm of the RACE, and, in time, the RACE, as the macrocosm of our Families.

      I’ll take that, versus waiting for the Iron Heel to come down on us, and crush us in the Mud Hell that will surround us.

      you wrote:

      KAS has no place in our movement any more. Remember the last part of the 14 Words, “and a future for White children”. What kind of future could KAS offer White children?

      in reply:
      Personally, no future whatsoever, which is pretty much what WE have been offering them.

      Kevin Alfred Strom has a place in The Movement That COULD Be, if only as a commentator, and analyst, a distant Voice on the radio, and the Internet radio, as well as Internet broadcasting.

      Think of it this way:

      WHO, now, is doing anything like this on a consistent basis, with a quality product?

      No one, whatsoever.

      We face Insurmountable Opportunities.

      Again, I am not calling for Kevin Alfred Strom to return to a “Leadership Position within the ‘Movement.'”

      I AM stating that we should stop indulging in trivial, “Two Minutes of Hate” acts that are totally without value, and force ourselves to Do Better – MUCH damn better – and Be What We Want The World To Become.

      The Magic Days of Yesterday are gone: Rockwell is dead, his NSM a perversion of what it could have been, the ANSWP a Shadow of what it COULD be; Pierce is dead, and his Valhalla In The Mountains is run by people who were not fit to tie his shoes.

      VNN has taught us much, if only we would listen:

      One, print as a communications medium is dead.

      Two, the Forum, which is democratic in structure, has a low ratio of signal to noise.

      Three, we can be kicked off the Internet at a moment’s whim.

      Four, there are not enough White Nationalists to even send a thousand dollars to Alex Linder, who has done miracles FOR us, and our Posterity, or even a dozen who could show up in Knoxville.

      The field is wide open!

      If this means Kevin Alfred Strom can do a daily one hour news and commentary show on the Internet, with only a Macintosh (and no one around who does not TOTALLY share his Vision for our RACE,) then that is one hour more a day than we are producing now, and, damn it, it will be well done, both professionally, and technically.

      If he can capture lightning in a jar for us, so much the better.

      If he leads BY EXAMPLE, then we will have only ourselves to blame for not doing better – much damn better.

      While we could…

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    70. Phil Anderson Says:

      http://youtube.com/watch?v=8bxXoeGy80E

    71. Subrosa Says:

      Phil, that is so childish you are posting such crap. It was one mistake. Are you going to dig up a picture of me and my ex-Negro girlfriend? You are a Bill White sock puppet.

    72. Thom Robb Says:

      As a Pastor, I do believe in forgiveness. Strom served his time. Once he is free, let him live his life the best way he sees fit.

      What Strom did was in private. How did this hurt anyone? And the stalking charges are simply bogus. We all can define bogus differently. My definition of stalking may vary compared to yours. Who are we to judge this great educator and teacher?

      If no one wants Strom, he will have a place here in the Knights Party. All he has to due it print out an application and send it in (of course pay his $35 fee). We would never turn down a great white brother such as Strom. May God bless him and his family during this hardship of bondage.

    73. diabloblanco92 Says:

      There is no way the Turner Diaries had jack shit to do with Oklahoma City. Mc Veigh’s co conspirator Terry Nichols was married to a Filipina had had a Eurasian child with her. How the hell were these guys WNs? Its a crock of Zionist BS

    74. New America Says:

      in reply to Phil Anderson:

      Thanks for the link to Bill White’s comments re Kevin Alfred Strom on YouTube.

      Phil, I’ve had some time to think about some things.

      I COULD make a similar .flv file, but this would be of Bill White’s commentaries on Alex Linder, and Alex’s personal situation, or Bill’s commentaries on other White Nationalists.

      Phil – this is how they act in junior high school.

      And I stopped going to junior high school way too many years ago.

      I outgrew it.

      So, hopefully, will all of us.

      This in no way diminishes my respect for Bill White; I have made my admiration for the good he has done, and is doing, and have included my ideas on how his organization could do better, with little effort.

      This is no way diminishes my respect for Alex Linder; I have made my admiration for the good he has done, and is doing, and have included my ideas on how his organization could do MUCH better, with little effort.

      I notice the Open Thread is getting some comments, and that is a positive sign.

      We need a lot more positive signs, and, more important, positive ACTION.

      I’ll sum up my thoughts on Kevin Alfred Strom, Movement Past, and Movmement Future, directly.

      But know this:

      Go to Metzger’s archives for his 2 april 07 mp3, and listen to the best soliloquy you will hear on WHAT went wrong, and WHY.

      Above all, know this:

      All of the horror the White RACE experiences daily is due is its own damn fault.

      Metzger is so right it hurts to think about what fools we have been.

      The Parastical Forces – the demonic Jews, their crackhead nigger attack animals, the people of New Aztlan – are only doing what parasites do.

      They live in the presence of death.

      They clean up after Life has left…

      They are only doing their job.

      We weren’t doing our job, and they simply took over where we failed to assert the forces of Civilization that we, alone, carry in our genes.

      Simple as that.

      We weren’t doing our job then, and aren’t doing it now.

      Kevin Alfred Strom – say what you will – will probably do more White Nationalist commentary, and better White Nationalist commentary, than most of us dare imagine, because – this is the Key – he will be in an environment of strong, supportive Men, who will defend him as ALL of his Creative Forces move in one direction, unburdened by relationships that, frankly, are not in harmony with his Soul, and his spiritual purpose.

      He will be the most monitored man in America outside of a Federal Supermax.

      This means that, yes, “They” will be Watching.

      “They” were watching Pierce – do you REALLY think they let him get away with keeping all of that money stolen by The Order? – and probably made a deal; “We will Watch, and you will not interfere.” Pierce indirectly offered them a “one stop shop” for all of their White Nationalist monitoring needs.

      “They” were watching Duke.

      “They” were watching Linder.

      “They” were watching, because THAT IS THEIR JOB.

      The FBI was born in a period of deep internal turmoil in America, and their duties included “Watching” to make damn sure that inappropriate acts either did not take place, or were snuffed down and neutralized as quickly as possible.

      THAT IS THEIR JOB, AND THEY ARE THE BEST IN THE WORLD AT IT.

      So, let’s be like Men, and, knowing “They” are Watching, given them something WORTH Watching.

      Let’s do BETTER than we have, so our Posterity will look upon us with pride.

      We face insurmountable opportunities; we might not make it to the top of the highest peak on Mars ourselves, but we will be much stronger for making the efforts.

      And, if our grandchildren DO stand on the highest point on Mars, they will look back, and might end one of their transmissions like this:

      “This is Robert Mathews, reporting from Covington University,… on Mars, for the Vanguard News Network.”

      I’ll settle for that.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE

    75. VNN’s Subrosa backs Kevin Strom and admits he dated non-white girls « Michael Burks Says:

      […] VNN’s Subrosa backs Kevin Strom and admits he dated non-white girls Again, another person that hates me is not normal, what a shock. Read Subrosa’s own words here. http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/?p=2536#comments. […]

    76. Subrosa Says:

      Fuck what Burks says. He is another Bill White sock puppet.

    77. Kevin Strom Fan Says:

      The rude comments about Subrosa are found here, http://michaelburks.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/vnns-subrosa-backs-kevin-strom-and-admits-he-dated-non-white-girls/

    78. Thomas Robb Says:

      I did not write the above comments that are attributed to my name. I VERY seldom visit forums. If you see anything on a forum written as if it is from me – it probably is not.

    79. Sri Sreggin Das, Mystic Yogi of the Kali Yuga Says:

      People do not change. They are what they are, usually from birth.

      Christians, who are forgiven by the blood of Christ, do not really change. They may receive a temporary uplift, but it does not last. They call making money, “serving others.” They call getting ahead, “serving others.” Everything they do, which benefits them, they call “serving others” or “glorifying Christ.” They play games with words. They have a borrowed energy, energy derived from something novel, but the person soon reverts to his old energy level.

      That said, I think KAS is a potentially dangerous individual, because I think he is what he is.

      But I think he can still contribute his creativity, which was considerable, to the cause.

      Of course, you who knew him may think that his sleaziness cancels all his positive attributes.

      You may be right.

      But I’ll tell you this–if KAS missteps even once, he will suffer severely. That creative weenie will be burnt black over a fire of righteous anger!

    80. Mark Downey Says:

      Fuck you, Thom Robb!

      That’s you – I knew you supported Strom you race-mixing piece of shit. I’ll deal with you in Harrison on April 4-6. Consider me OUT of the Knight’s Party effective today.

      PS: Rachel is a fat sow – what up now bitch?

      Park M ark Downey
      http://www.kinsmanredeemer.com/

    81. Socrates Says:

      Mark Downey Says: “Fuck you, Thom Robb!…”

      Note: Robb apparently did not make that post. Read the whole thread.

    82. sgruber Says:

      Still angling to get KAS a free Mac, eh? Mac OS, unlike Windows, allows one to browse pics of children’s twats and dicks with a bit more safety. Oops, I meant to say ALLOWS ONE TO WORK BETTER FOR ONE’S RACE.

      He will do WHAT he can, WHEN he can, for the RACE – every day for the rest of his life.

      This is an assertion. Proof?

      This guy BETRAYED the race. Proof? He is a pedophile. Pedophiles aren’t cured. Sure, he can be in chains from head to foot. His natural inclination is to rape White children. He wants to fuck little girls. He wants to fuck OUR CHILDREN. He went out of his way to stalk one. That’s betrayal of the race at the deepest level, the level of the soul, prevented from physical expression only by squads of Feds with guns, as you’ve stressed. But you’d have us believe it is the sign of a “hopeless Romantic.”

      NA, are you crazy? Are you fucking insane? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? I repeat, are you insane? Actually, I believe you are.

      It was in court that this came out. Therefore, it must be…bogus. Right? In your world, if the Knoxville beasts get put away, court testimony is golden; but if a White man is proved a thief, a stalker, or what have you then the bitch set me up. You are no better than a nigger.

      What’s wrong with the law in KAS’s case? Can you be specific about what the hell the problem is with that law? Specific does NOT mean dropping the name “Matt Hale.” It does NOT mean alluding to what Hillary would do to thought criminals. It does NOT mean implying, with a pouty lip, that anything to do with ZOG is a lie. It means answering the question: what specifically, particularly, precisely, and exactly is wrong with the particular and specific law under which KAS was convicted? Vague ejaculations on the order of – “if we let ZOG convict criminals, we’ll all be in the gulag next!” – won’t cut it. And don’t fall back on your old standard “the age of consent is arbitrary” or “great works of art have included nudity – what about the little cherubs?”

      Actually, NA, don’t reply. Not on my account. As I’ve indicated, I’m through with you. I don’t have to be clairvoyant to know just what you’ll say. You’ve said it several times. The above is a precis.

      As for the “Two Minutes of Hate” stuff – no. It’s more than two, and it started pre-Strom. Hatred for pedophiles goes back and runs deep. Pedophilia is a betrayal of our children, of our race. And my hatred for betrayers of our race is forever.

      Tell your friend the monster to buy his own Mac. And to kill himself.

    83. sgruber Says:

      Kali etc says:

      I think he can still contribute his creativity, which was considerable, to the cause.[…] I’ll tell you this–if KAS missteps even once, he will suffer severely. That creative weenie will be burnt black over a fire of righteous anger!

      He has “misstepped.” And you are not burning anybody’s weenie black over it. You are sucking that weenie as hard and lovingly as you possibly can. Righteous anger is not in you. A monster who must be restrained from raping White children doesn’t raise your ire a jot. Maybe the monster deserves another chance? And ‘nother? And ‘nother? And ‘nother?

      Sick fucks, you hate Whites, and you glory in Strom’s pedophilia.

    84. No Matter What Edgar Steele Says:

      I THOUGHT I recognized the writing style of our resident KAS apologist “New America.” Is that you Edgar? Didn’t you address the Strom pedophile angle in the first and only issue of V magazine for Kevin? If this is you, Mr. Steele, at least be man enough to own it.

      If New America is not Edgar Steele, then the writer is plagiarizing huge segments of Steele’s essay work and also copying Steele’s first person writing style to a “T.”

      If anyone has a way of getting a hold of Steele, perhaps he should be made aware of this person defending Strom while hawking his work.

    85. New America Says:

      in reply to Sri Sreggin Das, Mystic Yogi of the Kali Yuga:

      you wrote:

      People do not change. They are what they are, usually from birth.

      in reply:
      This is so true, and, in part, may well explain why White Nationalism is fighting an uphill battle to be accepted by the people who need it most.

      I’m feeling like reading Savitri Devi; “gold In The Furnace” seems particularly appropriate at this time!

      you wrote:

      Christians, who are forgiven by the blood of Christ, do not really change. They may receive a temporary uplift, but it does not last. They call making money, “serving others.” They call getting ahead, “serving others.” Everything they do, which benefits them, they call “serving others” or “glorifying Christ.” They play games with words. They have a borrowed energy, energy derived from something novel, but the person soon reverts to his old energy level.

      in reply:
      You are right.

      Sooner or later, who you are, comes to the force.

      That is why we have the duty to be what we want the world to become.

      you wrote:

      That said, I think KAS is a potentially dangerous individual, because I think he is what he is.

      in reply:
      This is “potentially” true, for all of us, for we are all creatures of light, and darkness.

      And, while Kevin Alfred Strom “is what he is,” he may well become much more, than what he was.

      The choice is his…

      you wrote:

      But I think he can still contribute his creativity, which was considerable, to the cause.

      in reply:
      I could not agree more; we need all of the Creativity we can get!

      in reply:

      Of course, you who knew him may think that his sleaziness cancels all his positive attributes.

      You may be right.

      But I’ll tell you this–if KAS missteps even once, he will suffer severely. That creative weenie will be burnt black over a fire of righteous anger!

      in reply:
      As I (correctly) stated above, Kevin Alfred Strom will be the most closely supervised man in America outside of a Federal Supermax.

      I would like to see these challenges as opportunities to demonstrate Grace, and lay the foundation for future RACIAL Greatness.

      Think of it as his own 1936 Olympics!

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    86. sgruber Says:

      And to say it again….

      Kevin Strom wants to rape White children.

      This desire of his isn’t curable. Considerable resources (TAXES) must go to prevent him from acting on his desire.

      How is he a friend to the White race?

      He is a fiend.

      Where are the men? The White men who would deal with this, in an earlier time, and who should anyway speak out today?

      There are a few. Alex Linder – who called on the monster to have honor and kill himself (he won’t; monsters aren’t honorable). Bill White. A few other men.

      The rest? The rest’s response to a male who wants to rape White girls ages 9 to 10?

      They LOOOVVVEE him. They fellate the monster! They’re buddies with him, they beg a new computer for him.

      We can see with the rarest clarity where the necrosis, the rot, of our race is right now: it’s KAS supporters post-verdict.

      The truly degenerate. The kind who say:

      Kid-lusting may be wrong, but hey, Kevin has a purty speaking voice and he can work wonders with that computer! He sure can.

      This rot needs to be cut out like a cancer.

      These assholes must go.

      Who is worse: the jew or the deep fuckup WN? The kike, or the “leader” who runs off with the money…stalks little girls (Strom wrote a love letter to a 10-year-old pleading with her to marry him)…is a drunk rat…a drug addict? I say the latter is worse. The WN fuckup is worse than the jew. He does more damage, betrays in close ways, puts a knife in a kidney where the kike just lobs bombs from a distance, he shames, demoralizes, deceives HIS OWN KIN. You can understand the jew. He is an enemy alien, declared. But your trusted brother’s wanting to rape Lynx and Lamb? Hiding outside a little girl’s house…waiting…waiting to bother her, embarrass her, disturb her innocence, fuck with her? Even fuck her?

      I’d like to introduce you to a hero. He wants to rape your White grade-schooler. You don’t want to call him a big hero? What’s wrong, don’t you love your race? — if someone told you that, what would you say? What’s the honorable Aryan response?

      The woods are full of bones from the proper response.

      We can’t do that nowadays (thanks, jews), but if your blood pressure doesn’t rise at the thought of what KAS wants to do, if you can’t recognize who’s your enemy, our race is done.

      Yes, it hurts like hell to be betrayed. And it’s doubly painful and humiliating when ZOG assists all too gladly in revealing the betrayal. But it’s black-and-white: KAS is not an Aryan. He’s a pedophile. Horrible as that feels, it is a fact; terrible as the experience of all the necessary anger and rage is, it is a fact. Sometimes you have to vomit to feel well again. Just vomit Strom and all the poison juices attached to him. And for God’s sake, don’t buy him a new computer.

    87. New America Says:

      in reply to sgruber:

      you wrote:

      Still angling to get KAS a free Mac, eh? Mac OS, unlike Windows, allows one to browse pics of children’s twats and dicks with a bit more safety. Oops, I meant to say ALLOWS ONE TO WORK BETTER FOR ONE’S RACE.

      in reply:
      This assumes Kevin Alfred Strom had complete and total control of all photo files on his computer, at all times.

      I would not make that assumption casually, and neither should anyone else.

      Are you also stating that he placed cameras (note the PLURAL) in his office and residence to spy on HIMSELF?

      Are you crazy?

      I am waiting to hear the entire story about those cameras.

      And how they were installed.

      Who do you suppose did this, how long were they installed, why were they installed, and where are the missing tapes?

      I imagine the answers to these questions will prove most enlightening.

      And, with modern digital photography, you can have anyone standing anywhere with anyone…

      But, we won’t go there – for now.

      you wrote, quoting me:

      He will do WHAT he can, WHEN he can, for the RACE – every day for the rest of his life.

      you then replied:

      This is an assertion. Proof?

      in reply:
      The vast body of tapes and writings show who he was; certainly this is part and parcel of who is is, and hopefully, will prove the foundation for who he is becoming.

      Sometime, look for something called “American Dissident Voices.”

      That’s for openers, and there is more – hopefully, a lot more – where that came from.

      you wrote:

      This guy BETRAYED the race. Proof? He is a pedophile. Pedophiles aren’t cured. Sure, he can be in chains from head to foot. His natural inclination is to rape White children. He wants to fuck little girls. He wants to fuck OUR CHILDREN. He went out of his way to stalk one. That’s betrayal of the race at the deepest level, the level of the soul, prevented from physical expression only by squads of Feds with guns, as you’ve stressed. But you’d have us believe it is the sign of a “hopeless Romantic.”

      in reply:
      One, I don’t think the Court would have ruled the way it has, so far, if your blur of jumbled opinions were true.

      The Federal Judiciary has a team of trained psychologists, psychiatrists, and law enforcement professionals reflecting centuries of painfully gained experience, and expertise.

      Your casually formed beliefs are based on far fewer facts that they have available; facts from which they will form intelligent opinions, and make intelligent recommendations.

      Again, I state: upon release, Kevin Alfred Strom will be the most closely watched man in America outside of a Federal Supermax.

      you wrote:

      NA, are you crazy? Are you fucking insane? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? I repeat, are you insane? Actually, I believe you are.

      in reply:
      Sanity – and the relative lack of same – is a topic worthy of discussion when you consider the history of this self-proclaimed “Movement.”

      I can support every one of my beliefs with facts, and logic.

      So will the Federal judiciary.

      Incidentally, one definition of insanity is doing the same thing, repeatedly, and expecting different results.

      IN PRACTICE, isn’t that pretty much the historical model for White Nationalist “Movement,” particularly since Pierce passed away?

      Flyer drops?

      Check.

      Newspaper drops?

      Check.

      Then, and now, to no positive effect whatsoever.

      The list goes on; SOMETHING needs to change.

      you wrote:

      It was in court that this came out. Therefore, it must be…bogus. Right? In your world, if the Knoxville beasts get put away, court testimony is golden; but if a White man is proved a thief, a stalker, or what have you then the bitch set me up. You are no better than a nigger.

      in reply:
      I do not believe “court testimony is golden.”

      I do believe that cross-examination of court testimony, by skilled lawyers from both sides, exposes prevarication, and duplicity.

      In the instant case of Kevin Alfred Strom, we have something much better.

      We have teams of trained professionals, from mental health to law enforcement, who are subjecting his every word to the most intense scrutiny.

      They will advise the Federal Judiciary, who will have the last word on the terms of Kevin Alfred Strom’s future.

      you wrote:

      What’s wrong with the law in KAS’s case? Can you be specific about what the hell the problem is with that law? Specific does NOT mean dropping the name “Matt Hale.” It does NOT mean alluding to what Hillary would do to thought criminals. It does NOT mean implying, with a pouty lip, that anything to do with ZOG is a lie. It means answering the question: what specifically, particularly, precisely, and exactly is wrong with the particular and specific law under which KAS was convicted? Vague ejaculations on the order of – “if we let ZOG convict criminals, we’ll all be in the gulag next!” – won’t cut it. And don’t fall back on your old standard “the age of consent is arbitrary” or “great works of art have included nudity – what about the little cherubs?”

      in reply:
      I have not spoken on the issues of “great works of art…nudity…little cherubs.”

      You are confused, and have me confused with someone else.

      I have used the example of Matt Hale – and will use the example of Kevin Alfred Strom, as facts become available – to note what Edgar Steele noted, and Dr. David Duke observed:

      We must be especially vigilant, at all times, in all of our dealings.

      Remember, listen to what Steele said about how little it took to send Hale to a Federal Supermax for THE REST OF HIS LIFE, and know that eternal vigilance is the price of our liberty.

      In effect, Dr. David Duke said it best: “If someone starts talking to you about doing something remotely illegal, RIGHT THEN AND THERE, walk away from them, and tell them, ‘I don’t know what you are talking about Don’t talk to me.’ If they follow you, tell them to stop following you, or you will go to the police. If they still follow you, go to the police.”

      I suspect that advice will be coming in all too handy, all too soon, for all too many of us.

      And those who haven’t downloaded the “Let’s Get Small” mp3 from Steele’s site should do so immediately.

      While they can…

      you wrote:

      Actually, NA, don’t reply. Not on my account. As I’ve indicated, I’m through with you. I don’t have to be clairvoyant to know just what you’ll say. You’ve said it several times. The above is a precis.

      in reply:
      I am simply replying to clarify possible misunderstandings.

      Did I mention how we should all go to Edgar Steele’s website and download the mp3 of “Let’s Get Small?”

      Good.

      you wrote:

      As for the “Two Minutes of Hate” stuff – no. It’s more than two, and it started pre-Strom. Hatred for pedophiles goes back and runs deep. Pedophilia is a betrayal of our children, of our race. And my hatred for betrayers of our race is forever.

      in reply:
      We seem to have made him our private Goldstein; the “Two Minutes of Hate” analogy seems simply perfect.

      Let’s all blame Kevin Alfred Strom, while assiduously avoiding actually DOING SOMETHING for our Families, and our RACE.

      That will make us all feel better, and, as usual, nothing will get done.

      I suspect – and hope – that Kevin Alfred Strom continues the best of his past work for our RACE.

      And does better, with Macintosh technology.

      Really, it’s not like we are accomplishing anywhere near as much as we could have, or should have.

      you wrote:

      Tell your friend the monster to buy his own Mac. And to kill himself.

      in reply:
      I hope one and all are pleasantly surprised as Kevin Alfred Strom turns the obstacles he has faced, into the opportunities for selfless service to the RACE.

      Remember, either way, he will be the most closely monitored man in America outside of a Federal Supermax.

      Let’s hope he can wrestle his demons to the ground, and help build a better White World, for all of us.

      Come to think of it, perhaps we all should be wrestling our internal demons to the ground, and using the strength and insight gained thereby to build a brighter, Whiter World for our Families, and our RACE.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    88. sgruber Says:

      Think of it as his own 1936 Olympics!

      I submit this as proof of insanity.

      It’s a sadistic flaunting of madness, very typical of jews. That is shit in our face.

    89. sgruber Says:

      What does a known pedophile have to do with Adolf Hitler and the 1936 German Olympics, other than to shit on them by being mentioned in the same breath?

      Vicious and insane.

      KAS doesn’t have to kill himself. He can continue dishonorable and be watched for life, if he wants. That is for the court to decide, and not us. (However, many honorable men who’ve recognized that they have within them a horrible, inextricable evil have done away with themselves.)

      But to compare him with the German heroes of the 1936 Olympics!

      You don’t bounce back from pedophilia. A pedophile is not someone with problems. A pedophile is a monster who does indeed need to be watched. Not a credit to our race, no matter how many speeches he prates, or tapes he sells.

      Pedophilia is simply the end of a person’s reputation and the end of the person.

      Christianity says forgive, but – glorify? Treat as The Comeback Kid?

      A drunk, yes. A prostitute, okay. A thief, maybe. A murderer, depends.

      A pedophile? A pedophile can become an honorable man and a credit to the race? More: a hero?

      Sounds wonderful and “Romantic.” Until you understand what a pedophile is. They are controllable. They are not reformable.

      And even were they reformable, they are not heroic.

      I submit that – propaganda to the contrary – no great man ever had a dark side. A nasty temper, a mitigated felony in the past, a perceived fondness for drink, one or two episodes of philandering, sure. But not pedophilila. Beethoven was not a pedophile. Hitler was not a pedophile (or a shit-lover, or a one-balled masochist, or whatever else the jews and the Soviets invented).

      You don’t want to rape White children, act on that desire shy of rape, and be a White hero.

      Impossible.

      Now maybe I’m wrong. Maybe the bitch set me up, the evidence was fabricated, the jury was under hypnosis, the whole thing is a ZOG plot. Maybe we’re all Martians and we only think we’re on Earth. But get real. A middle-aged man stalks a 10-year-old girl. The same middle-aged man has tons of child porn on his computer (planted! like OJ’s glove!). Before any of that came out publicly, he signed a paper promising to get help for his desires. His most significant objection is that the court please not describe him as a White Nationalist because that is inaccurate.

      If God exists, he may save KAS’s soul. Good. But I won’t worship him no matter what he does. I do not admire pedophiles.

    90. Sri Sreggin Das, Mystic Yogi of the Kali Yuga Says:

      sgruber, maybe there is no “righteous anger” in me, or not for long.

      I never figured it did much good to harbor emotions that I cannot act upon.

      I always felt sad for Capt. Ernest Roehn, also, even though I am not a homosexual and wish that sort of thing did not exist.

      Have you considered that your anger is a way of making yourself feel “righteous”? Now if Strom had made physical, sexual advances toward the girl, and your righteous anger had impelled you to thrash him good, I would say, “Bravo!”

      But what is the point of it, now?

      When does anger become self-destructive, or an ego-trip?

    91. New America Says:

      in reply to sgruber:
      I have taken the liberty of merging your last two posts.

      sgruber wrote, citing (in part) my above post:

      Think of it as his own 1936 Olympics!

      sgruber replied:

      I submit this as proof of insanity.

      It’s a sadistic flaunting of madness, very typical of jews. That is shit in our face.

      in reply:
      Read Fest’s biography of Hitler, and see the circumstances of Germany when the young Chancellor arrive to take office.

      Then, go to YouTube and download the video, “Adolf Hitler – The Savior of Germany.”

      See how the laborer described the conditions in 1933 – FIFTY PERCENT unemployment.

      Then, watch the video as it shows – and the music just lifts your soul at this point – a moment from the opening of the 1936 Olympics, and the exultation that WE can do this, and, implicitly, so much more, once the burdens that are not our responsibility have been overcome, and we are freed to serve the RACE.

      THREE YEARS, and, thanks to the young Chancellor’s removing the obstacles to the Germanic Soul’s transforming greatness, an entirely new nation was formed out of the ashes of Jew-created-and-contolled Weimar.

      THAT is an example of what our RACE, alone, can do, when the obstacles to greatness have been neutralized.

      I look at Kevin Alfred Strom’s works to date as pale reflections of what he is capable of, when the obstacles have been removed…

      And I include the worst Aspects of his relationship with Pierce among those obstacles.

      you wrote:

      What does a known pedophile have to do with Adolf Hitler and the 1936 German Olympics, other than to shit on them by being mentioned in the same breath?

      Vicious and insane.

      in reply:
      Asked and answered. See above.

      Remember, no one is asserting that Kevin Alfred Strom ever touched anyone inappropriately.

      If we want to introduce Thoughtcrime, then let’s just say so, and make it so.

      Oh, wait!

      That’s what the Jews are already doing to US!

      What a fine example we are choosing to follow!

      you wrote:

      KAS doesn’t have to kill himself. He can continue dishonorable and be watched for life, if he wants. That is for the court to decide, and not us. (However, many honorable men who’ve recognized that they have within them a horrible, inextricable evil have done away with themselves.)

      But to compare him with the German heroes of the 1936 Olympics!

      You don’t bounce back from pedophilia. A pedophile is not someone with problems. A pedophile is a monster who does indeed need to be watched. Not a credit to our race, no matter how many speeches he prates, or tapes he sells.

      in reply:
      I have dealt with the issue of the 1936 Olympics.

      And, no matter how much of a “monster” you may think Kevin Alfred Strom is, he WILL be the most watched and monitored man on Earth outside of a Federal Supermax.

      Hopefully, the Watchers will see a man who wrestled his demons to the ground, and transformed them into angels who, like he, will serve the greater glory of the RACE.

      you wrote:

      Pedophilia is simply the end of a person’s reputation and the end of the person.

      Christianity says forgive, but – glorify? Treat as The Comeback Kid?

      A drunk, yes. A prostitute, okay. A thief, maybe. A murderer, depends.

      A pedophile? A pedophile can become an honorable man and a credit to the race? More: a hero?

      Sounds wonderful and “Romantic.” Until you understand what a pedophile is. They are controllable. They are not reformable.

      And even were they reformable, they are not heroic.

      in reply:
      One, nowhere in the Bible will you find the doctrine of “Forgive, and Forget.”

      In the New Testament, forgiveness only followed sincere repentance, and was limited by the sincerity of the repentance.

      And, remember, Jesus Christ never forgave anybody…

      I submit that you are correct in your assertion that pedophiles are controllable.

      I only want to “reform” them – Redemption is beyond the purview of this Office – to the extent they pose no threat to anyone in the world, including themselves.

      Actions – my concern is what they DO, for that is the test of who they ARE.

      you wrote:

      I submit that – propaganda to the contrary – no great man ever had a dark side. A nasty temper, a mitigated felony in the past, a perceived fondness for drink, one or two episodes of philandering, sure. But not pedophilila. Beethoven was not a pedophile. Hitler was not a pedophile (or a shit-lover, or a one-balled masochist, or whatever else the jews and the Soviets invented).

      in reply:
      All men have a Shadow to their Persona.

      The wise ones accept it, and work with it; not denying it, but seeing tendencies and temptations as opportunities for learning, and self-mastery, as they integrate the various Aspects of their Persona, into their Persona CONSCIOUSLY.

      The men who deny they have a “Dark Side” are the ones who are battling furiously with a Force than only gains energy with each act of overt denial, until, one day, it overcomes them…

      Savitri Devi wrote of this integration, and the importance of this integration, in “The Lightning and The Sun.”

      Incidentally, Dan Houser did an excellent musical cd named after, and based on, “The Lightning and The Sun,” that is worth listening to as you consider how the various Ages of Man shape the Minds of Men, and their Souls.

      It is how Men CHOOSE to react to their circumstances that is the test of their Character.

      More on that, later.

      you wrote:

      You don’t want to rape White children, act on that desire shy of rape, and be a White hero.

      Impossible.

      in reply:
      Kevin Alfred Strom has NOT repeat NOT been charged with “RAPE.”

      At LEAST get the basic FACTS correct.

      you wrote:

      Now maybe I’m wrong. Maybe the bitch set me up, the evidence was fabricated, the jury was under hypnosis, the whole thing is a ZOG plot. Maybe we’re all Martians and we only think we’re on Earth. But get real. A middle-aged man stalks a 10-year-old girl. The same middle-aged man has tons of child porn on his computer (planted! like OJ’s glove!). Before any of that came out publicly, he signed a paper promising to get help for his desires. His most significant objection is that the court please not describe him as a White Nationalist because that is inaccurate.

      in reply:
      I am not sure what you are referring to.

      For just once of your comments, I think Kevin Alfred Strom objected to being described as a “White SUPERMACIST.”

      I will deal with the rest of your comments in time, if a need develops, but the Federal Judiciary will deal with them, and will deal with them with an entire army of professional psychologists, psychiatrists, and law enforcement professionals.

      you wrote:

      If God exists, he may save KAS’s soul. Good. But I won’t worship him no matter what he does. I do not admire pedophiles.

      in reply:
      No one admires pedophiles, and no one ever will.

      It is my understanding that Kevin Alfred Strom never crossed the line into physical contact of any kind – no touching, ever.

      That having been said, I think you are missing my larger issue, which ties into the constant theme that underlies all of my comments on VNN.

      Kevin Alfred Strom has done EXCELLENT work for the RACE, in the past, under what we now see as truly horrific psychological circumstances.

      As the most supervised and monitored man in America outside of a Federal Supermax, and in an environment that does not seek to make him into something he isn’t, he has the possibility to do more excellent work on behalf of the RACE in a week, than all other White Nationalist organizations, together.

      And, it will be work of the highest quality.

      For instance, he did the only really good promotional piece for our RACE involving National Vanguard; you will recall the description of various other Racial groups by name, and then the words, “What happened to US? What happened to White People?”

      Take someone who can do that, and give them a Macintosh.

      Yes, keep them under 24/7 supervision and monitoring; that’s fine.

      Let the Watchers see excellence develop, on behalf of the RACE.

      Who knows?

      After they retire from Federal service, they might join us!

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    92. Charles Martel Says:

      The reason why Burks and his man servant billy-boy-toy are pieces of shit is symptomatic of their so-called blogs. No one can dare post commentary on the jew-servants posts. Just as they planned. You motherfuckers want to go on buying into VNN and jew-servitude, have at it. This shit is shit.

    93. Charles Martel Says:

      no longer going to waste my time on federal informers and their cronies…..

    94. Ich Bin Laden Says:

      So if this is true that KAS was stalking and was “sexually obsessed” with a 10 year old girl (which is quite a bit more serious than saying he was downloading dirty pictures or making perverse collages in a photo editing program), this raises a disturbing question: How the hell did someone like that manage to stay in the movement for as long as he did undetected? I mean, the guy was William Pierce’s protege, for chrissakes! Pedophiles usually aren’t that hard to spot — didn’t anyone know? Why didn’t anyone say anything?

      There’s a serious lack of accountability in this movement if people with such severe psychological problems as this can make it into critical positions without being found out.

      You know, I remember reading an SPLC article about Strom a few years back in which the author/s implied he was a pedophile based on some of the photos he had up on his personal website. I discounted it as a smear. Apparently, the SPLC was right, and figured out Strom was a pedo long before anyone on our side of the fence figured it out. What does that say about us? Maybe we should drop the “go, team, go” football mentality and be a little more critical of ourselves and our leaders?

    95. Ich Bin Laden Says:

      To New America: I haven’t yet downloaded and listened to the Edgar Steele file you keep mentioning, but I get your point and basically agree with it.

      You can be damn sure that the next time the government passes legislation which will be EXTREMELY harmful to white nationalists and to all white men in general, it will be done under the guise of “protecting children,” maybe even “protecting children from pedophiles.” After all, who but a pedophile would object to a law being passed that’s intended to protect children from pedophiles, right? [Sarcasm.]

      I’m surprised that a group as typically cynical as white nationalists can’t see the forest for the trees on this one. I’m starting to think that a lot of WN men might be grossly ignorant (or naive) on such subjects as feminism, the abuse industry, hate speech laws, etc.

      I’m not saying KAS is innocent, but one notice’s in this thread that it doesn’t cross anyone’s mind for a second that the little girl might have been lying, or could have been coaxed to lie by her mother, or that Strom’s wife could have been lying, etc. Why do all the men immediately assume that Strom must be guilty and that a 10 year old girl couldn’t possibly be telling anything but the truth? Do they think women don’t lie? That children don’t lie?

      They just immediately jump to the women’s defense, threatening to lynch KAS, etc., as if they were knights in the Middle Ages running to the rescue of damsels in distress. Times have changed, you know. We’re not living in Victorian times anymore. Children ain’t so innocent these days, and women can be seriously nasty cunts, especially with a court system that’s biased in their favor and even gives them incentives to lie.

      Smarten up, folks! We’re not just dealing with a war on whites here, it’s also a war on men! White men should not be threatening to kill each other, even when one of them turns out to be a sexual predator. KAS deserves ostracism, nothing more.

    96. Ich Bin Laden Says:

      “Two, the Forum, which is democratic in structure, has a low ratio of signal to noise.”

      I’m having trouble figuring out what you mean by this. Do you mean there’s a lot of good quality posts in the forum, or mostly garbage?

    97. Ich Bin Laden Says:

      “If this means Kevin Alfred Strom can do a daily one hour news and commentary show on the Internet, with only a Macintosh…”

      I’ve also been meaning to ask, what’s with you and Macs? You’ve mentioned Macs at least half a dozen times in this thread. You know, there’s nothing you can do on a Mac that can’t just as easily (and usually more cheaply) be done on a PC nowadays.

    98. New America Says:

      in reply to Ich Bin Laden (1):

      you wrote:

      “Two, the Forum, which is democratic in structure, has a low ratio of signal to noise.”

      I’m having trouble figuring out what you mean by this. Do you mean there’s a lot of good quality posts in the forum, or mostly garbage?

      in reply:
      Most of the posts on the Forum are little more than garbage, and seem to be little more than junior high school cliques, seeing the world at a junior high school level of Consciousness, and responding to what they perceive at the junior high school level of Consciousness.

      I drop by there maybe once a day, just to see if Dietrich, and maybe five or six other people have had anything to say.

      The rest are, essentially, sock puppets and trolls.

      I’ve made my beliefs about the Forum known on the Second Open Thread, which seems doomed to the same ignominious fate as the First Open Thread. Note that it has not been topped once since it went up, much less pinned to the top.

      And that’s fine…

      VNN Forum Mark Two fell apart with Porngate.

      VNN Forum Mark Three fell apart with Elisha Strom as Administrator, and only heroic efforts by Dietrich saved the day, such as it has become.

      By definition, a Vanguard is an Elite; self-selected, self-chosen, self-motivated.

      The VNN forum is pretty much the antithesis of a, well… Vanguard.

      Note, by the way, that many of the Forum posters were not aware of this, the VNN “Main Page.”

      I guess they were too busy with their “Two Minutes of Hate.”

      Perhaps we should be grateful for small favors!

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    99. New America Says:

      in reply to Ich Bin Laden (2):

      you wrote:

      “If this means Kevin Alfred Strom can do a daily one hour news and commentary show on the Internet, with only a Macintosh…”

      I’ve also been meaning to ask, what’s with you and Macs? You’ve mentioned Macs at least half a dozen times in this thread. You know, there’s nothing you can do on a Mac that can’t just as easily (and usually more cheaply) be done on a PC nowadays.

      in reply:
      Macintosh has a learning curve that is damn near zero, and remains the choice of professionals in the communications field in general, and graphic arts, in particular.

      Basically, it is designed for the professional communicator, which Kevin Alfred Strom certainly was, and hopefully, will be again.

      I realize I have spent far too much time learning the fine points of my Windows PC, time that I could have spent working WITH my PC.

      If I had it to do from scratch, particularly because the Mac now runs Windows XP, I would go pure Macintosh, and not worry about drivers, regedit, and you name it!

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    100. New America Says:

      in reply to Ich Bin Laden (3):

      you wrote:

      So if this is true that KAS was stalking and was “sexually obsessed” with a 10 year old girl (which is quite a bit more serious than saying he was downloading dirty pictures or making perverse collages in a photo editing program), this raises a disturbing question: How the hell did someone like that manage to stay in the movement for as long as he did undetected? I mean, the guy was William Pierce’s protege, for chrissakes! Pedophiles usually aren’t that hard to spot — didn’t anyone know? Why didn’t anyone say anything?

      in reply:

      “If this is true” is a phrase I shall be hoping we all use more often in the times to come, concerning any information about any of us.

      Thank you.

      Look at “Movement Past,” as I refer to it, and see the most incredible bunch of dysfunctional idiots, wack jobs, and fools; this is before we deal with the agents provocatuer, who have the easiest job imaginable.

      Linder said it best(loosely paraphrasing):”It’s the damndest thing I have ever seen. We have the best Ideas, and the damndest bunch of fools out there representing us I have ever seen.”

      Yet, we have the singular advantage of being right.

      I will deal with this in my response to Briseis’ comment on a VNN FTL Friday a few months back, where she asked what exactly was it, that so many of our young men just don”t seem to be effective enough in some areas of their lives.

      I have given a lot of thought to this.

      Remember this: in any organization, as long as the gravy train is flowing, no one wants to look too closely at the cooks, or the back of the shop.

      Pierce had his share of *ahem* “challenges” in his relations with women, as well.

      Think of it this way:

      The National Alliance went from guys like Alex Linder, Jerry Abbott, and Robert Mathews, to Eric Gliebe and his associates.

      ASK yourself how that could possibly happen…

      you wrote:

      There’s a serious lack of accountability in this movement if people with such severe psychological problems as this can make it into critical positions without being found out.

      in reply:
      “Movement?”

      I’ll deal with that issue, later.

      The phrase – worthy of Harold Covington – I shall use is:

      “Insurmountable Opportunities.”

      you wrote:

      You know, I remember reading an SPLC article about Strom a few years back in which the author/s implied he was a pedophile based on some of the photos he had up on his personal website. I discounted it as a smear. Apparently, the SPLC was right, and figured out Strom was a pedo long before anyone on our side of the fence figured it out. What does that say about us? Maybe we should drop the “go, team, go” football mentality and be a little more critical of ourselves and our leaders?

      in reply:
      Not that the SPLC should be taken as a source for much of anything, but your larger point is very well taken.

      The entire “‘go, team, go’ football mentality” assumes there IS a “team.”

      Teams organize around one purpose, and have one ultimate Goal.

      Harold Covington has defined the larger Purpose, and the Analytical Context we need to achieve all of the goals we need to hit, to achieve our greatest goal, a RACIAL HOMELAND.

      THAT is the LIVING context in which we need to define all of our activities.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    101. New America Says:

      in reply to Ich Bin Laden (4):

      you wrote:

      To New America: I haven’t yet downloaded and listened to the Edgar Steele file you keep mentioning, but I get your point and basically agree with it.

      in reply:
      Steele said so much we need to hear, and he said it so damn succinctly, that, like Covington, he has removed our excuses.

      His personal, painfully experienced, heartfelt advice, is EXACTLY what we need to hear, and heed.

      While we can…

      you wrote:

      You can be damn sure that the next time the government passes legislation which will be EXTREMELY harmful to white nationalists and to all white men in general, it will be done under the guise of “protecting children,” maybe even “protecting children from pedophiles.” After all, who but a pedophile would object to a law being passed that’s intended to protect children from pedophiles, right? [Sarcasm.]

      in reply:
      Every totalitarian state can justify any act by saying it’s being done “for the children.”

      Automatically, all of the women – and the womanly men – will cheer it on, to their doom, and the eternal sorrow of their children.

      you wrote:

      I’m surprised that a group as typically cynical as white nationalists can’t see the forest for the trees on this one. I’m starting to think that a lot of WN men might be grossly ignorant (or naive) on such subjects as feminism, the abuse industry, hate speech laws, etc.

      in reply:
      Your point is stronger than you might have realized.

      All too often, cynicism is used to mask impotence.

      I can assure you, a tremendous amount of power went, unchallenged, to the Child Abuse Industry in the Nineties. There, under the theory of “recovered memories,” men made divorce settlements that drove them to destitution, and suicide, because the last thing their lawyer would let them do is go to trial with their small son, their tiny daughter, easily confused, easily manipulated, separated from her father by Child Protective Services, get on the witness stand and get asked questions.

      The mere threat of the charge of “pedophilia” was enough to get the father to sign over all of his assets, and most of his income, over to his wife, who was skillfully trained by the “Women’s Center’s” lawyers in the art of manipulation.

      Amazingly, a handful of men became Men, when they Awoke one morning, and realized they had nothing, and nothing to lose…and decided to DO SOMETHING about that.

      They built new lives for themselves, from scratch, living in their cars while they rebuilt their lives on the firm foundation of Commitment to something much greater than themselves.

      “RACE,” in the example of Kevin Alfred Strom, would be an excellent choice for such Work.

      you wrote:

      I’m not saying KAS is innocent, but one notice’s in this thread that it doesn’t cross anyone’s mind for a second that the little girl might have been lying, or could have been coaxed to lie by her mother, or that Strom’s wife could have been lying, etc. Why do all the men immediately assume that Strom must be guilty and that a 10 year old girl couldn’t possibly be telling anything but the truth? Do they think women don’t lie? That children don’t lie?

      in reply:
      I’m glad you mentioned this, and, frankly, I was waiting for someone to mention this.

      Nobody has gone back to Square One and said, “Wait a minute. Are ALL of the claims against Kevin Alfred Strom true, ALL of the time, or might there something that does not quite seem to add up here? Who might have what to gain if they are found to be “true” in a rush to judgement? Is there manipulation going on here?”

      See above, where at least one person seems to think Kevin Alfred Strom has been charged with rape…

      Not even the most remote hint of this in the charging documents we have seen; yet, it is all too easy to be manipulated into seeing one side of the story.

      I, for one, would like to know a lot more about those “camera(s)” that recorded the activities of Kevin Alfred Strom.

      Who installed them, for what purpose(s), and can the images be manipulated with digital technology?

      Could you have a “movie” of Kevin Alfred Strom on the reviewing stand of the 1936 Olympics, and would that fabrication seem to be just like a real “movie?”

      Could we have a book, apparently written by Kevin Alfred Strom, with pictures of him on the podium at the 1934 Nuremberg Rally, entitled “Four-and-a-Half-Year Struggle Against Lies, Stupidity and Cowardice?”

      Perhaps he could shorten the title to, simply…

      “My Struggle.”

      you wrote:

      They just immediately jump to the women’s defense, threatening to lynch KAS, etc., as if they were knights in the Middle Ages running to the rescue of damsels in distress. Times have changed, you know. We’re not living in Victorian times anymore. Children ain’t so innocent these days, and women can be seriously nasty cunts, especially with a court system that’s biased in their favor and even gives them incentives to lie.

      in reply:
      I used to work with a guy who went to court with an open heart, and had a man-hating dyke representing his wife, and another man-hating dyke as a judge, and a third manipulative woman as his “lawyer.”

      God, how many times I had to talk him out of suicide…

      He said the worst moment was when he realized his “visitation rights” weren’t worth the paper they were printed on, and his ex-wife had a guy living with her – his payments continued, and were enforced, even after his division got massive pay cuts.

      Finally, he came to pick up his son one day, as his ex-wife was taking them out of town for a ‘vacation.”

      His son, crying, said, “I love you, Roger.”

      “ROGER?”

      He asked why his son called him by his first name, instead of “Dad.”

      The answer was poignant, and brutally delivered, by a manipulator THROUGH an innocent child.

      “Mom says I have to call you ‘Roger,’ because I have to call Mr. Steve ‘Dad,’ now.”

      My friend literally blacked out; blood pressure, anger, whatever.

      He came to with the paramedics standing over him, as he was placed in an ambulance.

      He signed himself out of the hospital the next morning, and went to the house he had bought and paid for, to pick up his car.

      The house was empty. No furniture, no nothing.

      He realized what had happened, and called me, saying, “We have to talk.”

      We “talked” all night, and all of the next day, about how badly he had been played for a fool for trusting his wife, the Institution of Marriage, and the legal system.

      LESSON: You have exactly as many “rights” as you can effectively enforce; no more, and no less.

      LESSON: Thr first time it happens, you ARE a victim. The second time it happens, you CHOSE to be a victim. Never be a victim. Never.

      you wrote:

      Smarten up, folks! We’re not just dealing with a war on whites here, it’s also a war on men! White men should not be threatening to kill each other, even when one of them turns out to be a sexual predator. KAS deserves ostracism, nothing more.

      in reply:
      I suspect Kevin Alfred Strom will make his own way back to such positions are he may earn, the damn hard way.

      If you listen to the Steele mp3 of “Let’s Get Small,” and, if you are pressed for time, skip to 13.53, you will gain invaluable advice, from a man who paid a high price for the Wisdom he shares. 15:05 offers particularly useful, and relevant advice.

      Memorize it.

      15:05.

      Know it.

      15:05.

      Be able to recite it at will.

      And, remember Metzger’s FIVE WORDS.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    102. Harold Covington Says:

      New America:

      Could you write up the story of that guy you mentioned above, as a separate article without the interpolated quotes and minus the Strom references, and send it to me at nwnet@earthlink.net ? I think it would make an excellent supplement to my “Politically Correct Sexuality” and most likely I’d like to post it on Thoughtcrime.

    103. New America Says:

      in reply to Harold Covington:

      you wrote:

      New America:

      Could you write up the story of that guy you mentioned above, as a separate article without the interpolated quotes and minus the Strom references, and send it to me at nwnet@earthlink.net ? I think it would make an excellent supplement to my “Politically Correct Sexuality” and most likely I’d like to post it on Thoughtcrime.

      in reply:
      Feel free to use it, make whatever changes you need to make it work, and, if you have any further questions, I’ll be glad to answer them.

      There’s a lot more where that came from, and I found some sites that prove he was not alone in what happened to him.

      Incidentally, I would like to take a moment and thank you for two very important things you have done.

      One, you have answered the “WHY?” Question for all matters regarding our RACE.

      I can not stress how important this is; it takes us off defense, and shows us what the goal posts look like.

      If you notice, all of the White Nationalist/Racially Conscious Community writers and philosophers came out of the functional equivalent of Conservatism, and thus, only addressed the Forms put before them by our Eternal Racial Enemies, and never addressed the matters of Substance, substantially.

      Oliver was played for a fool, only realizing, all too late, that the Birch Society itself was a false flag designed to act as a lightning rod, and safely divert the potential membership of a Racially Conscious Community down false, impotent paths.

      That’s just one example.

      We all owe you more than we can say, both Racially, and myself, personally, for answering the question of “WHY?” writ large.

      Suppose Oliver had people accept his ideas.

      THEN what?

      Nobody knows; in Reality, nothing much would have happened.

      Same for Pierce.

      Same for Rockwell.

      All of them defined the issues in terms of what they were AGAINST, and our Racial Enemy just put forward another front, and created another false flag.

      We never made headway, and were always chasing the Shadow of the Week…

      We NEVER had a positive vision that provided the Analytical Framework that places all “WHY” questions in context, and a Positive Racial Context, at that.

      WHY do we have VNN?

      To form a news source that defines how the demonic Jews shape our society, and control us.

      What happens then, and why?

      We join with Ron Paul Meet-Ups, and develop the skills to deal with groups in softly, and effectively defining and defending our RACIAL Intersests.

      What happens then, and why?

      We use this to form the nucleus of our own political party, based on representing White RACIAL Interests.

      What happens then, and why?

      We develop the economic as well as the political skills to form our own Nation, Consciously, and organically, from our RACE. The political party will have worked to concretely define our RACIAL Interests, and what we can do ot organize politically, to make them come alive.

      What happens then, and why?

      We form our own Nation, consciously, as a political, economic, and cultural entity, in the Northwest, in response to the way things will be in America during our lifetime.

      We will start with Families, organize Communities, and organize the basis of a Nation, which will come together when it is time.

      This is what Brigham Young did with Deseret, literally, from the desert, he consciously formed a RACIALLY focused community.

      They seem to have done alright!

      Where you get full marks is this: ANY question, from why be on VNN to what should I do tomorrow – ANY question at all – can be quickly and cleanly answered, and all conflicts resolved, in the Light of One Question:

      “IS WHAT I AM ABOUT TO DO HELPING TO BUILD THE BRIDGE FROM WHERE I AM, TODAY, TO A NORTHWEST REPUBLIC, IN TIME?”

      If the answer to that is anything other than a resounding “YES,” you need to rethink the question, your answer, and the values you have unwittingly adopted…

      And DO SOMETHING about that.

      The Northwest Republic, as an Analytical Model, succeeds where everyone else failed, because it defines a uniquely American context for resolving all of our RACIAL issues.

      The Northwest Republic Model, ALONE, does this.

      That is why I am taking the stance I have with l’affaire Kevin Alfred Strom.

      Anyone who has listened to the Edgar Steele mp3 of “Let’s Get Small,” and listened to what he has to say at 15:05 – if nothing else, that section – can see our future, as the foundation of RACE – FAmily – is deconstructed, and destroyed, at all points.

      The Northwest Republic Analytical Model answers the impotence that hides behind cynicism: “What can I do about it?”

      The rest is up to us.

      I’ll address these issues in this thread tomorrow in a piece on “Movement Past, Movement Future, and Kevin Alfred Strom,” but I would like to take a minute and thank you for doing something rather amazing.

      My nephews, who are from the hills, recently graduated high school, and are staying with me – for good, as what is left of their local economy has gone back to the Nineteenth Century.

      They are finally learning to see all issues in the light of Family, as the microcosm of RACE, RACE, as the macrocosm of Family, and RACE as the Living Bridge between Family and Culture.

      I could not get through to the younger of them; he needed some conceptual model to begin to reframe his self-definition, and work with it from there.

      He found it – someone he can relate to, and someone he can admire.

      Shane Ryan, from “A Distant Thunder.”

      Your definition of Shane Ryan is just damn perfect; while his upbringing was not as difficult as Ryan’s, believe me, the only businesses growing in his hometown are the liquor store, the pharmacist, and the unemployment/welfare office. His “good clothes” are Carharts…

      He could RELATE to Shane Ryan.

      I can work with that, for now, he can SEE – it is REAL to him – the importance of RACE in everyday life as it is, and certainly, as it will become.

      His literacy needs work, but that’s fine.

      He reads – and re-reads – “A Distant Thunder.”

      And, if his lips move to form the words, well, at last, I have something he loves to read, and will work with him on the words…

      And what they mean.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    104. Ich Bin Laden Says:

      “Nobody has gone back to Square One and said, ‘Wait a minute. Are ALL of the claims against Kevin Alfred Strom true, ALL of the time, or might there something that does not quite seem to add up here? Who might have what to gain if they are found to be ‘true’ in a rush to judgement? Is there manipulation going on here?'”

      I have neither the time nor the inclination to sift through several hours worth of gossip to isolate the known facts in this case, but a lot of what’s been circulating is hearsay, and it does seem that there’s a lot more to this story we’re not being told.

      Why were there hidden cameras in Strom’s home? Why did his wife give a CD which may have contained incriminating computer files to her attorney an ENTIRE YEAR before turning Strom over to the police (if this did indeed happen)? Did she have her eye on a divorce? Was she in the habit of spying on her husband? Was she blackmailing him, or planning to? How did Strom come to know the little girl he is alleged to have stalked? Did his wife have a relationship with the girl and her mother as well?

      Something I’m having trouble reconciling is that: 1) I have heard a recording of Strom admitting that he masturbated over pictures of “shockingly young girls” (whatever that means; I’ll assume that means images of pre-pubescent girls), and that he found it VERY EMBARASSING TO HAVE TO ADMIT THIS, and 2) Strom allegedly wrote a marriage proposal to a 10-year-old girl. So let me get this straight: Strom was embarassed to admit he had masturbated over child porn, but he had the brass to write and deliver a marriage proposal to a 10-year-old? Does that add up?

      My impression so far is that Strom probably is a pedophile, but I wouldn’t rule out that he was also being set up.

    105. Andy Haskins Says:

      Was Strom found guilty of rape? MMM, no he was not. The man was clearly set-up. He was pro-white and the Jews wanted him gone. Did we not see this with Matt Hale?

      I am shocked at how many so-called pro-white people are against their own kind. No wonder we lose and the Jew wins.

      I for one will welcome Strom back. He was a great teacher and leader. And a very good speaker.

    106. New America Says:

      in reply to Ich Bin Laden:

      cquoting my previous post, you wrote:

      “Nobody has gone back to Square One and said, ‘Wait a minute. Are ALL of the claims against Kevin Alfred Strom true, ALL of the time, or might there something that does not quite seem to add up here? Who might have what to gain if they are found to be ‘true’ in a rush to judgement? Is there manipulation going on here?’”

      you then wrote:

      I have neither the time nor the inclination to sift through several hours worth of gossip to isolate the known facts in this case, but a lot of what’s been circulating is hearsay, and it does seem that there’s a lot more to this story we’re not being told.

      in reply:
      I could not agree more.

      A small snipped out an alleged conversation held with a counselor makes it to the Internet; of course, digital manipulation is possible, absent evidence that meets the test of evidentiary standards.

      However, for the sake of argument, I will deal with the worst case scenario directly.

      Incidentally, is it me, or does anyone think that, when a small snipped of what should be an extremely private conversation with a professional, State-licensed counselor hits the Internet, that a bit of “manipulation” is going on?

      There may well have been cameras, too, for all we know…

      How do you think the counselor feels, knowing his words were taped, and there may well be pictures, as well?

      If I were the counselor, I would have a good lawyer review the confidentiality agreement I have the clients sign.

      And then, I would talk seriously with my lawyer about what MUST be done to insure the integrity of my professional practice remains solid.

      If this is true, THIS IS SIMPLY MIND-BOGGLING!

      you wrote:

      Why were there hidden cameras in Strom’s home? Why did his wife give a CD which may have contained incriminating computer files to her attorney an ENTIRE YEAR before turning Strom over to the police (if this did indeed happen)? Did she have her eye on a divorce? Was she in the habit of spying on her husband? Was she blackmailing him, or planning to? How did Strom come to know the little girl he is alleged to have stalked? Did his wife have a relationship with the girl and her mother as well?

      in reply:

      WHOA!

      You just made an incredible statement:

      Why did his wife give a CD which may have contained incriminating computer files to her attorney an ENTIRE YEAR before turning Strom over to the police (if this did indeed happen)?

      If this is true, would these have been the files considered to be pornographic?

      This is just stunning!

      If this is true, then it just might be that her lawyer should expect that knock on the door from the Feds, as well…

      My jaw is dropping to the floor with these statements.

      If this is true – and it is literally mind-boggling – and I were the lawyer, I would send over the client’s file, AND the cd’s of the pictures, and send it certified, stating, “I have not review the cd, and have no idea what evidence it contains, if any.”

      I would then search my hard drive for all pictures, make sure they were the ones I wanted to have there, backup all of my files and reformat the drive, just in case.

      Hell, reformat the drive TWICE, just to make sure…

      Just in case.

      Wouldn’t want to miss the Hidden Files…

      There’s more to this – ALL of this – than meets the eye, and none of it is flattering, to anyone, or even remotely good news, to anyone.

      Can you imagine the look on her attorney’s face when he gets his First Set of Motions to Produce, and sees:

      “CD rom containing pictures of girls received from Plaintiff more than a year ago, and all other photographic records, and digital images of photographs.”

      Just jaw-dropping…

      you wrote:

      Something I’m having trouble reconciling is that: 1) I have heard a recording of Strom admitting that he masturbated over pictures of “shockingly young girls” (whatever that means; I’ll assume that means images of pre-pubescent girls), and that he found it VERY EMBARASSING TO HAVE TO ADMIT THIS, and 2) Strom allegedly wrote a marriage proposal to a 10-year-old girl. So let me get this straight: Strom was embarassed to admit he had masturbated over child porn, but he had the brass to write and deliver a marriage proposal to a 10-year-old? Does that add up?

      in reply:
      The authenticity of that recording probably won’t meet any sort of evidentary standards; with digital technology, you can put the words of Yoda into the mouth of Dirty Harry, and make it look real.

      “Know what you are thinking, I am! Did he fire six shots, or was it only five? Hard to tell. Ask yourself this one simple question: Do I Feel Lucky? Before you answer, Trust the Force!”

      This is just tragic.

      More on that idea in a moment.

      Nothing about this is adding up into something that makes sense, at least, from an Adult perspective.

      I’ll grant that Kevin Alfred Strom, Man of the Mind, a Romantic, might possibly have had thoughts of entering into an Idyllic state of affairs with someone. This is sad, and tragic, for all parties.

      The same was true of Lewis Carroll, by the way.

      I WOULD like to know more about the camera(s) in their house…

      Who installed them, who purchased them, and who collected the….

      Tapes?

      How many tapes must there be, and where are they?

      Or is it all digital, and eminently susceptible to digital manipulation…

      Curiouser and curiouser!

      you wrote:

      My impression so far is that Strom probably is a pedophile, but I wouldn’t rule out that he was also being set up.

      in reply:
      It is one thing to have thoughts of an Idyllic, Child-like state of perfection in relationships; the artwork of Maxfield Parrish demonstrates this.

      And Gibson? The poignant black and white pencilwork of Gibson speaks volumes as to how people can deal with a world that is, all too often, all too harsh, and too unforgiving. But, as long as you are with the right one for you, “Who Cares?”

      This might well also be compensation for feeling trapped in a depressing environment; remember that, psychologically, all too often, feelings of depression result from anger being turned inward.

      Remember the lavish Busby Berkley musicals of the Thirties, where idealized representations of idealized women in Idyllic situations provided solace in theaters across America, for a people whose dreams had been stolen by ruthless…manipulators.

      Now, think of the country music of today, music that is targeted at an audience whose quality of life declines by the day, as does their economy…

      The Country Music Association awards would be appreciated by Busby Berkley.

      Don’t forget – download the Steele mp3 of “Let’s Get Small,” and, if you have time for nothing else, skip forward to 15:05, and LISTEN to what he has to say…

      While you can.

      And watch out for those manipulators!

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    107. New America Says:

      in reply to Andy Haskins:

      you wrote:

      Was Strom found guilty of rape? MMM, no he was not. The man was clearly set-up. He was pro-white and the Jews wanted him gone. Did we not see this with Matt Hale?

      in reply:
      I suspect Kevin Alfred Strom did not do himself all of the good he might have, for himself and our RACE, but I suspect this will change once he is in a supportive, Adult Masculine environment.

      I agree the Jews wanted him “gone,” but in the sense that Dr. Revilo Oliver was gone – constructively neutralized.

      I suspect that will not be on the table any more.

      Think about it.

      What could they use to blackmail him?

      Tapes?

      Voice recordings?

      That is the good side of all of this; it is all out in the open and on the table.

      This frees Kevin Alfred Strom up to focus SOLELY on commentary, and analysis, of issues from a RACIAL perspective, for our RACE.

      And, remember, he will be the most watched and monitored man in America outside of a Federal Supermax.

      you wrote:

      I am shocked at how many so-called pro-white people are against their own kind. No wonder we lose and the Jew wins.

      in reply:
      In fact, this in one of the reasons – and there are many! – why we do not have a “Movement” – yet.

      A lot of the anti-Strom forces come from people who just might be jealous of how well he will do once he is freed from the burden of inappropriate relationships, and is in a positive, Adult Masculine environment…with a Macintosh.

      Hell, they sure can’t blackmail him!

      you wrote:

      I for one will welcome Strom back. He was a great teacher and leader. And a very good speaker.

      in reply:
      As the most watched and monitored man in America outside of a Federal Supermax, Kevin Alfred Strom will not begin to be a concern to anyone, with one exception.

      Our Racial Enemies.

      He will be free to speak, write, and act, in a supportive Adult Masculine environment.

      He will do so solely for our RACE.

      I suspect, incidentally, he will not worry about thoughts of revenge, but only on building the foundation for a brighter, Whiter America.

      In the meanwhile, the rest of us would do well, indeed, to download the mp3, “Let’s Get Small,” from Edgar Steele’s website. If you listen to nothing else today, skip forward to 15:06, and be prepared to burn it into your mind, and watch out for manipulators, of all shapes, sizes, and descriptions.

      While you can…

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    108. New America Says:

      Movement Past, Movement Future, and Kevin Alfred Strom: Some Thoughts

      In the past, the White Nationalist “Movement” consisted of men who addressed the state of affairs before them, as best they could.

      The best were neutralized or pigeonholed, fairly expeditiously; the rest were free to walk around the country and embarrass us with their blackened, rotted teeth, poor English, “worser” grammar, and fancy dress attire consisting of a bed spread, with a hole for their head to come out OF, and a pillow case, with a hole for their head to go IN to.

      As that age was, thankfully, coming to an end, Alex Linder commented on the dilemma facing White Nationalism. Linder said, and I am quoting loosely from memory:

      “It’s the damndest thing I have ever seen. We have the best ideas, and the damndest bunch of people out there representing us you can imagine.”

      So much for Movement Past.

      A record of failure means you are doing something wrong; a record of repeated failure means you are doing something stupid, as well.

      Movement Past: Rockwell, Pierce, The Order

      We can define “Movement Past” as an incredible concentration of incompetence, ineptitude, and downright stupidity, with a handful of exceptions.

      Let’s review some of the exceptions, and see if we see a Pattern here:

      George Lincoln Rockwell did it right, and, with virtually no money, ran for Governor of Virginia wearing a brownshirt/red swastika armband, where necessary, and a fitted, tailored business suit, where necessary. Rockwell’s ideas were so solid, and so well thought out, that he attracted some remarkable people to him.

      This was because, in part, America was undergoing the Civil Rights Revolution; people could see the threat posed by the Africans in America, and Rockwell demonstrated a willingness to go after the symptoms – Negroes – as well as the disease – Jews. Remember, Jews are nodes through which the Asiatic Hive Consciousness of Judaism operates; relentless, and totally devoted to the Jewish RACE – First, Foremost, Forever – Jews used the form of the Civil Rights Movement to mask the substance of Jewish Supremacism.

      Rockwell died at the hands of an assassin.

      He left behind the cerebral William Luther Pierce, who formed the National Alliance, and moved his operation to somewhere between Nowhere, and Don’t Care, in West Virginia. This period also saw the former of a group of White Nationalists called, in shorthand, “The Order.” The Order was inspired by Robert Mathews, who was betrayed, and died fighting Federal agents. The rest of the members of The Order have either died in prison, or will die in prison, the remnants of their lives a mute testimony to one simple idea: no one can use force against the government. Ever. Period.

      Pierce left behind an excellent body of work, with hundreds of tapes and articles, a bookstore, a record label – in short, Pierce, a Ph, D, in physics, went directly at the Enemy the only way he could, with rigorous analysis, backed by a wall of hard data. He also attracted co-workers who continued his work as best they could, including Kevin Alfred Strom. Strom’s work included radio broadcasts, and working with the National Alliance’s print media. The radio broadcasts are remembered, and this is important, for reasons we will discuss directly.

      Pierce died, and the National Alliance is an empty, hollow shell of its former self.

      Two lessons sum up Movement Past:

      One, everyone fought the Shadows, the false flags, the moving pictures – in short, they fought the Shadow Enemies pretty much chosen for them. Whether they were called “Communists,” “Civil Rights Workers,” the “One World Government,” at the end of the day, the score was Shadows, EVERYTHING, White Nationalists, Zero.

      Two, anyone who dreams of breaking the law is a fool, as well as a failure. By extension, anyone who proposes the unlawful use of force is either an agent provocateur, or a fool; anyone who uses force unlawfully will suffer horrific consequences.

      Thus, the entire self-proclaimed “Militia/Patriot Movement,” for example, is seen as either fools, followers of false flags, or attackers of Shadows – impotent, Old Men, trying to take back what was never theirs to begin with.

      They have failed at anything even remotely resembling activism, or even activity.

      Movement Future I: VNN

      Linder had it right, up to a point; the key to this battle is to adopt the same tools the Jews have, and focus on RACE, with a Positive Theory of RACE to match Jewish Supremacism.

      This led Linder to forming the Vanguard News Network, an Internet news site that has more reach, more effective reach, and more cost-effective reach, than all of the paper media he had been associated with could have imagined.

      Linder tried, heroically, to use print media as a tool for social change. However, in a society that is, at best, functionally literate, the death of the mainstream newspaper empires was matched, in microcosm, in the failure of his newspaper to have any significant effect at all.

      His website, the Vanguard News Network, is succeeding as an Internet news site, in part because, unlike sites that purport to tell you “the News,” Vanguard News Network places all news in the context of the battle between the Asiatic Hive Consciousness of the Jewish RACE being the eternal Opposition to the White RACE – the RACE that is responsible for Civilization.

      Thus, Linder’s Vanguard News Network succeeds at description, whereas all other White Nationalist commentators, from Dr. Revilo Oliver forward, only described the matters of Form, and spoke judiciously, even moderately. Linder’s Vanguard News Network addresses all issues in terms of one issue – a Positive Theory of RACE – and one focus – the efforts of the Jewish RACE to systematically, parasitically, occupy, and control, the host population.

      Thus, to sum up:

      Movement Past failed to address the issues of Substance, in a substantial manner.

      Movement Past failed at DESCRIPTION; failing at this guarantees failure in any attempt to solve “the problem.”

      Movement Past’s “activism” failed on all fronts, from the wearing of bedsheets and pillowcases as uniforms, to the use of force.

      Movement Future is successfully addressing the issue of Substance – RACE – in a substantial manner. The Vanguard News Network Archives are replete with masterful analyses of the situation, and ideas for solutions. Additionally, Bill White’s ANSWP crystallizes the best thinking of the unique Moment in Western Civilization where an entire nation was founded on a Positive Theory of Race.

      Yet, the analyses and commentary of the Vanguard News Network have led to precious little change in our Racial Situation; to all appearances, Vanguard News Network’s masterful description does not lead to a PRESCRIPTION that will solve our Racial Situation.

      Note this important principle: the two most influential members of Movement Past who are still operating are masters of the written and spoken word, Alex Linder, and Kevin Alfred Strom.

      Movement Future II: Harold Covington’s Northwest Republic

      Movement Past failed at DESCRIPTION; Movement Future failed at PRESCRIPTION, until recently, when Harold Covington defined, in terms that complemented the Western Soul.

      Covington grasped the secret of the Racial success of the Jews, and applied that model to Western Civilization, at its peak.

      Even the poorest and most reprehensible of the Jews, for thousands of years, were motivated by a belief in Racial Supremacy, and were prepared to sacrifice for millenia to achieve their dream, a Racial Homeland.

      All efforts at White Nationalism, prior to Covington’s Insight – a Northwest Republic as a Racial Homeland for the White RACE – were simply scattershot affairs, at best. These were the functional equivalent of using a slingshot on a Kodiak bear. At best, you will only gain his attention…

      And then he will kill you.

      The Northwest Republic Model is only superficially about physically moving to the Northwest – that remains the Goal, however, for reasons to be described later.

      The Northwest Republic Model, uniquely, defines the overarching Analytical Context in which any White Nationalist effort either fits, or fails to serve our RACE.

      National Socialism economic model?

      It’s in there.

      Family centered model of society?

      It’s in there.

      Christianity, and room for alternative expressions of Western Faith for the Western Soul?

      It’s in there?

      Democracy, with appropriate democratic structures and systems?

      It’s in there.

      Focus on Family, as the microcosm of Race, and Race, as the macrocosm of Family, AND as the Living Bridge between Family and Culture?

      It’s in there.

      Everyone, prior to Covington, are like the blind men who described the elephant as the part of the elephant they were holding.

      The failed as DESCRIPTION.

      Worse, none of the blind men had any idea what to DO with an elephant, even if they knew what it looked like.

      They failed at PRESCRIPTION.

      In other words, “So What?”

      You’ve got rid of the demonic Jews, the crackhead niggers, and the Mud People of New Aztlan.

      “So What” is eliminated by the Northwest Republic Model, and is replaced with the positive focus of “What Now?”

      I could write more about the intellectual perfection of Covington’s singular achievement, and I will, in other threads.

      But for now, know this:

      Harold Covington has succeeded, where ALL who came before him failed, because he defined the problem, not as the unlinked series of obstacles his predecessors did, but as obstacles that become transformed into opportunities, for the Race.

      And there is no greater opportunity than that of Creating a Nation, a Homeland where none may make afraid.

      Ironically, Vanguard News Network’s Alex Linder came closest to this when he said:

      “Take any State in the Union, no matter how bleak and desolate it may seem. Let White People exercise their Constitutional right of free association, and make it ‘Whites ONLY.’ Step aside, otr you will be run over in the greatest land rush in American history.”

      We might add – “Then, come back in fifty years, and watch what Mankind is capable of, when it is freed of the Asiatic Culture of Judaism, and the burden of the Lesser Races.”

      Look what Brigham Young did, almost two centuries ago, with ox carts and hand carts, in building the State of Deseret, out of the lifeless desert of Utah.

      Think of what we could do, with modern, and ever more modern, technology, in a Northwest Republic.

      And be grateful, that Harold Covington has succeeded where all before him have failed, and has removed all of your excuses.

      Movement Future III: “What Now,” with Kevin Alfred Strom

      With print dead as a communications medium, the question before us is, “How can we quickly, and intelligently, articulate the Ideas that lead to a brighter, Whiter Future for all of us?

      The answer seems obvious.

      The intellectual heir to both William Luther Pierce, and Revilo Oliver, Kevin Alfred Strom, has words of commentary and analysis heard by millions of us, particularly those who do not have access to literature, or the time to read and dwell on what we have read, and, more importantly, what it means to us.

      He has succeeded damn near in spite of his personal circumstances, and certainly not because of them.

      As a writer, and a radio commentator, he just begun to tap his potential to make our Race better, and the world a better place for the place of our Race within it.

      Let’s hope he returns to his place, and fulfills his Duty to our Race, and helps our Race to fulfill its unique Destiny, in the fulfillment of its heritage as the Creative Race, the Race that takes the barren wastelands of deserts, and Creatively transforms them into the dwelling grounds of the people whose Children will Walk Among the Stars.

      Let the other Races pursue mindless materialism, and the ever-downward spiral of hedonism, as they fight in the mud, to control the mud.

      In the Northwest Republic, where none may make afraid, we shall offer our Posterity nothing less than “Honor, Discipline, and the Stars.”

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    109. New America Says:

      For one and all, concerning l’affaire Kevin Alfred Strom:

      OTPTT, in the VNN forum thread “In Defense of Elisha,” had asked questions you should all bear in mind, particularly after you have heard the Steele mp3 “Let’s Get Small,” and after you have heard, on other Steele mp3s, how easy it was to set up Matt Hale, and send him to a Federal Supermax forever.

      OTOPP wrote:

      Elisha I have a couple of questions that only you can answer and that will go a long way in putting to rest any alleged “theories” surrounding the KAS situation.

      You will remember attending Alex’s arraignment in Knoxville last summer. Alex told me that he was “surprised at your presence at that particular proceeding” and wasn’t sure how to interpret your being there at all.

      You will also remember that we went to the Riverside Restaurant where we had coffee and the like and spent at least two hours there talking that afternoon. During the course of this conversation you said something that caught my immediate attention based upon my extensive study of law over the preceding 16 years in addition to my own personal experience in various capacities as a party to several civil and criminal cases.

      You stated, “I copied files from Kevin’s computer and gave them to my lawyer for safe keeping.”

      Since the trial is over and you are at liberty to discuss the case now I would like to ask you the following questions:

      1. What was the nature of these files that you copied from Kevin’s computer and gave to your lawyer on a CD almost a full year before Kevin’s arrest?

      a) Were they images of children engaged in sexual activity with either adults or other children?

      b) If the answer to question 1(a) is in the negative were they images of nude children?

      c) If the answer to questions 1(a) and 1(b) is in the negative were they Photoshoped images wherein the head of a minor was placed upon the body of a nude adult?

      2. You clearly had access to Kevin’s computer. Did you every place any files of any type on his computer without his knowledge?

      3. Who approached you regarding the wiring and placing in your home a hidden camera system?

      a) What was the stated purpose of this hidden camera system?

      b) What information and video\audio was recorded by this hidden camera system that you consented to having embedded in your home without Kevin’s knowledge?

      4. Since you and the police apparently had those files that you copied from Kevin’s computer almost a full year before his arrest why was a hidden camera surveillance system necessary?

      5. Did Kevin know that the sessions that he attended were being audio recorded and would be used against him by you or anyone else in the future?

      a) Who actually audio recorded the privileged therapy sessions that Kevin attended with a psychologist?

      b) Did you turn these privileged audio recordings between Kevin and his therapist over to any law enforcement agency at any time before Kevin’s arrest? Is so did you do so under the authority of a warrant or did you do so with Kevin’s express written consent?

      c) Did Kevin give his signed, explicit authorization for the recording of those therapy sessions and if so can that authorization be found in Kevin’s medical records now?

      in reply:
      It seems as if Kevin Alfred Strom might have a side of the story well worth hearing.

      It seems as if, as Kevin Alfred Strom noted in the best advertisement done for OUR Side, “There AREAlex told me that he was “surprised at your presence at that particular proceeding” and wasn’t sure how to interpret your being there at all.

      You know, it may well be that Alex “wasn’t sure how to interpret (Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom’s) being (at Knoxville) at all.”

      Alex Linder might not, but I sure do.

      Cameras, recorders, who only knows what – that seems to be a lot of pretty sophisticated surveillance equipment, and I do wonder who paid for it…

      And where it came from.

      Perhaps VNN might want to bump this thread to the top for the next week or so; it might be particularly instructional, for all of us, in ways we could not have imagined.

      And, Alex?

      Maybe you might want to call Terrible Tommy Metzger, let him see this thread, and ask you what he thinks you ought to do…

      While you can.

      Until now.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    110. New America Says:

      This cleans up the “in reply” section to my last post directly above. The computer just “glitched out” as I was hitting the “Submit Comment” button:

      in reply:
      It seems as if Kevin Alfred Strom might have a side of the story well worth hearing.

      It seems as if, as Kevin Alfred Strom noted in the best advertisement done for OUR Side, “There ARE Two Sides.”

      OTPTT wrote:

      Alex told me that he was

      “surprised at your presence at that particular proceeding”

      and wasn’t sure how to interpret your being there at all.

      You know, it may well be that Alex “wasn’t sure how to interpret” Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom’s being at Knoxville.

      I sure do.

      Cameras, recorders, who only knows what – that seems to be a lot of pretty sophisticated surveillance equipment, and I do wonder (1) who paid for it, (2) where it came from, (3) and, for that matter, where it is today.

      Perhaps VNN might want to bump this thread to the top for the next week or so; it might be particularly instructional, for all of us, in ways we could not have imagined…

      Until now.

      And, Alex?

      Maybe you might want to call Terrible Tommy Metzger, let him see this thread, and ask him what he thinks you ought to do…

      While you can.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    111. Ich Bin Laden Says:

      And here is Elisha’s only response to OTPTT’s questions:

      “You continue to assert I’ve committed crimes. Your accusations are quite serious and I don’t appreciate you threatening me. Once again I suggest you switchboard a local FBI number — only this time I’m going to also publicly ask that you leave me alone.”

      http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=704927&postcount=73

      As far as I could tell, OTPTT at no time “asserted” that Elisha had committed crimes, accused her of anything, or threatened her. Apparently, she considers the questions themselves to be threatening.

      The reader may draw his own conclusions, but to me, her unwillingness to answer these simple questions, and the tone of her reply, speak volumes.

    112. Ich Bin Laden Says:

      Direct link to Edgar J. Steele’s “Let’s Get Small” article:

      http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/columns/small.htm

    113. New America Says:

      in reply to Ich Bin Laden:
      you wrote:

      And here is Elisha’s only response to OTPTT’s questions:

      “You continue to assert I’ve committed crimes. Your accusations are quite serious and I don’t appreciate you threatening me. Once again I suggest you switchboard a local FBI number — only this time I’m going to also publicly ask that you leave me alone.”

      http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=704927&postcount=73

      in reply:
      Remarkable.

      It seems Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom’s response suggests someone who believes she is is warding off an attack of some sort, when all OTPTT is asking for is basic information.

      Who could possible see the simple, factual truth as something to fear, something to be afraid of?

      I suspect OTPTT’s questions may well prove most useful if Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom’s request for a divorce is anything other than pro forma.

      And, if I was an attorney who had a cd-rom disc that MIGHT contain “images” the Feds would see as worthy of further investigation, damn if I wouldn’t ship that baby back TONIGHT, with the file and a letter stating that she is no longer being represented by MY office!

      you wrote:

      As far as I could tell, OTPTT at no time “asserted” that Elisha had committed crimes, accused her of anything, or threatened her. Apparently, she considers the questions themselves to be threatening.

      in reply:
      Full marks to OTPTT for phrasing his questions in such a manner that any court will accept them; they simply seek to basic fact questions.

      For the life of me, I can’t see anything “threatening” about those questions.

      Well, we shall see.

      Perhaps Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom will appear on VNN FTL Monday, with Stan and Yankee Jim.

      Perhaps she will answer these questions.

      you wrote:
      The reader may draw his own conclusions, but to me, her unwillingness to answer these simple questions, and the tone of her reply, speak volumes.

      in reply:
      Note that Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom “publicly asks that you (OTPTT) leave me alone.”

      I don’t see an “assertion,” I don’t see “accusations,” and I don’t see any “threatening” of Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom.

      Unless THIS phrase is the assertion she is talking about:

      OTPTT wrote:

      You stated, “I copied files from Kevin’s computer and gave them to my lawyer for safe keeping.

      Notice something.

      Notice what seems to be the absence of a denial from Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom that such a conversation took place.

      It should be fairly simple for Yankee Jim or Stan to ask Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom for the name of her divorce attorney, past or present, and ask him if he has received any files, tapes, or cd-rom computer disks from Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom, and, if so, is he aware of the contents of those materials.

      Get HIM on the show, and ask HIM what he thinks is going on.

      I remain just fascinated by this camera system, the presence of which is incontrovertible – how many cameras, what type were they, when were they purchased, who installed them, where are they now, and were they recorded to tapes, or discs, or what…

      And, with that as your theme for future questioning…

      Thanks for your link to Steele’s website, and the show.

      If we don’t take Steele’s advice, and follow it to the letter – while we can – we shall certainly end up much the worse for it.

      Think of how little it took for an agent provocateur to send Matt Hale to the concrete tomb of a Federal Supermax for the rest of his life.

      And remember, as Terrible Tommy Metzger will tell you, SOMEONE informed on Robert Mathews…SOMEONE set him up.

      It could only have been someone he trusted…

      Incidentally, again, I ask the VNN Moderator to bump this very informative thread to the top, so all will see what they need to see…

      While they can.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    114. Ich Bin Laden Says:

      “Get HIM on the show, and ask HIM what he thinks is going on.”

      I think it would be a violation of attorney-client privilege for him to do that.

    115. New America Says:

      in reply to Ich Bin Laden:

      you wrote:

      citing my prior post in this thread:

      “Get HIM on the show, and ask HIM what he thinks is going on.”

      you replied:

      I think it would be a violation of attorney-client privilege for him to do that.

      in reply:
      Possibly so…

      In the alternative, we can have Terrible Tommy Metzger come on and give us HIS appraisal of the situation!

      One can only imagine the Q & A session:

      “Well, Terrible Tommy, what do you think is going on with Mrs. Kevin Alfred Strom and ‘The Movement?'”

      I can imagine Terrible Tommy saying something like this:

      “Are you guys brain damaged, or what? Doesn’t anyone around here put together two and two, or are we all so afraid we won’t even consider the idea that things might not be as they seem, all of the time, not by a long shot?”

      You know, sometimes it seems like Metzger was right when he said, “We LET this happen to us.”

      Cameras, recorders – and if could happen to Kevin Alfred Strom it could happen to any of us.

      Incidentally, note that this very educational thread is not being topped.

      For the moment, the topic of Kevin Alfred Strom is also being addressed, at least peripherally, at:

      http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/?p=2552#comments

      Incidentally, it seems all of the people who were so quick to condemn Kevin Alfred Strom seem to have second thoughts, in the cold light of day.

      Good.

      And if they want to see what the cold light of day look like, and how damn cold it can BE, think of what it is like in a Federal Supermax prison, and THEN, think of how little it took to send Matt Hale there…

      For the rest of his life.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    116. Dirk Says:

      What is the point in defending a convicted pedophile who plead GUILTY? I get the feeling anonymous shithead New America is a one of KAS’s pedo-peer buddies. There is no excuse for KAS or anyone who excuses his atrocious behavior.

      New America, an idea who’s time has come — to fuck off and die.

    117. New America Says:

      in reply to Dirk:

      you wrote:

      What is the point in defending a convicted pedophile who plead GUILTY?

      in reply:
      The point in defending anyone – anyone – who defends our Race is that we owe them no less, and they would do no less, for us.

      Note that, as I have said, Kevin Alfred Strom will not be released until a Federal judge and his support staff – professionals in the field of mental health, and law enforcement – believe that any “threat,” no matter how remote, Kevin Alfred Strom may pose, has been neutralized, by any means necessary.

      Setting aside (for the moment) the issue of the full panoply of Constitutional protections being available to Kevin Alfred Strom, let’s not forget that, having paid his price to society, he is now free to be a member of society, and will be in a position to serve the RACE, hopefully unburdened from responsibilities that never really should have been his, in the first place.

      you wrote:

      I get the feeling anonymous shithead New America is a one of KAS’s pedo-peer buddies. There is no excuse for KAS or anyone who excuses his atrocious behavior.

      in reply:
      No, I do not seek to excuse anything about Kevin Alfred Strom.

      I do try to understand his actions, and I try to do so in the broadest possible context, and that context is RACE.

      His tremendous work for us in the past, for which he received far too little praise, and far too little support, will have an opportunity to manifest exponentially, in both quantity and quality, with a Macintosh computer, and no emotional responsibilities that, frankly, should never have been his responsibility, in the first place.

      you wrote:

      New America, an idea who’s time has come — to fuck off and die.

      in reply:
      You seem so silent about so many critically important issues that have been raised in this thread; recording systems of all kinds, unusual meetings in unusual places, who paid for all of this, and where the fruits of these labors – cameras, tapes, disks, recorders – are today.

      And who has had access to them – all of them – and why.

      I made a point that Steele made, and I made it repeatedly, for a specific purpose.

      They Who Watch will do so, one way or another, because that is their job, and they are damn good at it; bluntly, the best in the world.

      Simple as that.

      Here’s a fascinating question:

      What have you DONE, what have you actually ACCOMPLISHED, for your RACE, that is even a tenth of what Kevin Alfred Strom has done?

      Here’s another fascinating question:

      Why have you done so little?

      I’m not talking about the whiskey-powered delusional daydreaming of brain-damaged morons, such as you seem to be, who talk about talking Grandaddy’s old squirrel rifle, climbing into the family car – a ’68 Chevy Impala that runs “just as good as new” – to “take America back” from the New World Order.

      No.

      I’m talking about ANYTHING you may have DONE, of substance, that compares to even one issue of “American Dissident Voices.”

      See my point?

      In your jealousy – a well-deserved jealousy, at that – you look at the time Kevin Alfred Strom displayed weakness, and say you have taken the whole measure of the man.

      Nonsense.

      You see the pebble he stumbled over, claim it is a mountain, and rejoice as – in your mind – he fell from a mountain, to his doom.

      No.

      In the broader scope of the RACE, he tripped over a pebble.

      I won’t worry about how it came to be there; that is not our concern.

      Our concern is that Kevin Alfred Strom return to be what he wants the world to become, an exemplar for our RACE.

      I’ll settle for that.

      So should you.

      New America

      An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

    118. Ich Bin Laden Says:

      Hey, enough with the Macs already, New America! Macs are way overrated, and Windows PCs are not nearly as bad as their detractors make them out to be. Some of the snobbishness of the Mac cult may have been justified 15 years ago, but not today. There’s nothing you can do on a Mac that you can’t do equally well on a PC, and Windows XP is a stable, mature operating system. There’s nothing to justify spending more for a Mac.

    119. david Says:

      another example of jewish railroading, down the slippery slope we go…