23 August, 2009

Christian/Newsom trial: Cobbins testifies, didn’t know victim’s first names.

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“He’s sorry, but he thought Newsom’s first name was Hodge.”

KNOXVILLE (WATE) — Against the advice of his attorneys, Letalvis Cobbins testified on his own behalf Saturday saying the rape of Channon Christian he has pleaded guilty to was actually a voluntary act in exchange for his help to escape. Although he said he accepted her offer, he admitted that he never helped her.

The jurors were given the case at 4:50 p.m. They’re taking Sunday off. They’ll begin deliberating at 9:00 a.m. Monday.

Judge Richard Baumgartner read 128 pages of instructions to the jurors when he charged them with the case.

The jurors have 38 counts to consider in this case, including 18 counts of murder. They must reach a verdict on each one.

Cobbins is the first of four suspects to be tried for the carjacking, rapes and murders of Christian and her boyfriend, Christopher Newsom, in 2007.

The other suspects who are charged are: Lemaricus Duvall Davidson (Cobbins’ half brother), George Giovanni Thomas and Vanessa Coleman, who was Cobbins’ girlfriend.

All four defendants could face the death penalty if they’re convicted in their separate trials.

Cobbins claims Christian offered sex in exchange for help

Before Cobbins began, Judge Baumgartner dismissed a motion by his two attorneys to withdraw from representing him.

Also, one juror was replaced by an alternate before testimony started.

Cobbins was previously sworn in during this trial so he took the stand under oath.

He said he and Coleman and Thomas came from Kentucky to celebrate New Year’s 2007 with his brother, Lemaricus Davidson, who he hadn’t seen in years.

Davidson had been in and out of prison for years, Cobbins said.

He testified that Davidson wanted to introduce him to a girl he was going to take him to meet.

Cobbins said Eric Boyd, who’s previously been convicted and sentenced as an accessory in this case, met them to go along.

Cobbins said they were smoking marijuana, which he called blunts. He said the one he was given to smoke was a wet blunt and he thought it tasted funny, but he didn’t know why.

Once they arrived as Washington Ridge Apartments, Cobbins said they spotted Christian and Newsom hugging or kissing. He said that’s when Davidson and Boyd jumped out and carjacked them.

Cobbins said he didn’t know they were going to do this and tried to refuse to be part of it, but Davidson told him to follow them back to Davidson’s house on Chipman Street. That’s where Christian’s body was found three days later.

Eventually, Christian and Newsom were brought back to the Chipman Street house and all four suspects were there. Cobbins said he told Thomas and Coleman they should leave because of what was going on, but that never happened.

Cobbins said Christian and Newsom were brought into the house blindfolded and bound. He said Christian was sitting in the living room and he brought her some water. He also said the wet blunt he smoked was making him feel sick.

He repeatedly said he told Davidson what they were doing was crazy and “ya’ll trippin.”

Cobbins said Davidson called everyone into the living room and told them they were being too quiet and demanded to know what they were doing.

Cobbins said he told Davidson they were going to leave. That’s when he said Davidson pulled a gun without pointing it at anyone and told them he’d shoot them, but not kill them, if they tried to leave.

Cobbins said he decided he had no choice but to stay so he sat down. He and Coleman smoked more pot.

Cobbins said Christian was taken to a bedroom and tied up on the bed. He said he brought her more water and untied some of her bindings so she could drink.

He said Christian asked him what was going on and he said he didn’t know. He said she also asked if he knew where her boyfriend was and he said he didn’t know.

Cobbins said Christian asked him if he could talk Davidson into letting her go. He told her that he would try. He said she told him she’d do anything and even offered oral sex. He accepted her offer and heard noises that concerned him as he ejaculated.

(At this point, Christian’s mother, Deena, restrained her father, Gary.)

Cobbins said he put Christian back like he’d found her and went back into the living room with Coleman.

He said Davidson and Thomas came back into the house for awhile, left about half an hour later, then returned again later.

Cobbins said he noticed dark stains on Davidson’s and Thomas’ shirts after they came back the second time.

Cobbins said Davidson would tell him stories when they were growing up about carjacking people, then taking them to an ATM, making them withdraw money and leaving them tied up. So he said he thought Newsom was tied up somewhere. Saturday night ended.

He said Sunday started with a guy showing up at the house to get drugs from Davidson, but he didn’t stay long.

Then he said Davidson’s girlfriend, Daphne Sutton, came to get her things. He said Davidson had called and told her do to this.

Cobbins said Davidson and Sutton got into an argument. He said later, Davidson gave Coleman some clothes that turned out to be Christian’s.

Cobbins said Davidson brought Christian into the kitchen. She had no clothes on from the waist down.

He said Davidson called everyone into the kitchen, then tried to choke Christian, who fell to the floor.

Cobbins said he asked Davidson again what’s he doing and tells him that he’s “trippin.”

“I didn’t do anything to stop it,” Cobbins said. “I didn’t do anything to stop it.”

Cobbins said Davidson tried to force Coleman to check Christian’s pulse, but she said she didn’t know how to do it, that she wasn’t a nurse.

He said he spoke to Thomas again of trying to leave, but Davidson threatened them.

Cobbins said Davidson tied Christian up in a fetal position, then he broke down in tears for a moment. He said Davidson put Christian in the trash can and made everyone else go into another room.

“After it got daylight,” Cobbins said, Davidson left and the rest of them left the Chipman Street house on foot.

He said they went to the house of Vincent Wernimont, who got drugs from Davidson, told him what happened and they talked about what to do. He said they stayed at the house of a drug addict, then later got a ride back to Kentucky.

Cobbins said he called his mother and told her what happened. She asked him why he didn’t call the police or try to stop it. He told her that he couldn’t and didn’t know what to do.

He said he called his mother and sister again later and learned his and Davidson’s pictures were on the news as wanted in connection to the murders.

Cobbins said they connected to his cousin on a three way call who told him that he’d be implicated in the crimes. His family told him they’d get attorneys and he decided to call the police from a pay phone the next day to tell them what happened.

He said he asked Thomas’ girlfriend, Stacey Lawson, who testified earlier in this trial, to lie and say they came back to Kentucky with her, before New Year’s, but she refused to lie to the police. Lawson also testified that she refused to lie.

Cobbins said they were arrested the next day and when he was questioned, “I didn’t tell the truth. I told parts of the truth.”

He said he lied because what had been done was horrible and “I wanted to distance myself.”

Cobbins said he denied more than once that he had sex with Christian and even after a cigarette break, he still lied about what happened.

“I sit here in front of ya’ll today and admit I lied repeatedly about what happened. You all are probably wondering, why should you believe me now when I lied to the police so many times?”

“I don’t have nothing to lose. My DNA was on that girl. I didn’t have any knowledge of what was going to happen. I didn’t want to be a part of it.”

Cobbins said he’s not asking the jury to disregard what he did because “I’m wrong for that” and “I deserve to be punished.” Then he told the families he’s sorry.

Cobbins’ attorneys didn’t ask him any questions while he was on the stand.

The defense rested its case after Cobbins testified.

Cobbins said he pleaded to rape because “it was wrong”

On cross-examination by Assistant District Attorney Takisha Fitzgerald, Cobbins admitted he didn’t know the victims’ first names. He finally said he guessed Christian’s first name was Channon, but he thought Newsom’s first name was Hodge.

Cobbins told the ADA that Davidson and Boyd were going to introduce him to a girl that night of the carjacking so he lied to Coleman about where they were going.

Cobbins claimed he didn’t know Boyd and didn’t know about his previous criminal record.

He insisted he didn’t know Davidson and Boyd were going to carjack Christian and Newsom until he saw them run to the truck where the couple was hugging or kissing with guns drawn.

He said Christian drove the carjacked vehicle and he couldn’t tell if she and Newsom were crying or looked scared.

Cobbins said, like he did previously, that Davidson told him to follow them back to the Chipman Street house. He claimed not being familiar with the area since he’s not from Knoxville so he didn’t know how to get back on his own.

Fitzgerald asked Cobbins if he recalled telling Detective Norman during questioning that different people were in the carjacked vehicles, including Thomas.

Cobbins said he didn’t recall saying that. Fitzgerald read it to him from the transcript.

Fitzgerald also asked Cobbins if he lied to try to put the blame on his brother. He said he just wanted to give himself a way out of what happened and to put the blame on “someone other than myself.”

Fitzgerald asked Cobbins many questions about the different versions he told investigators during questioning and Cobbins often said, “I can’t recall.”

Cobbins insisted to Fitzgerald that he was never in the carjacked SUV with the victims, despite telling investigators he was during questioning.

Fitzgerald asked Cobbins how it’s rape if Christian consented to oral sex with him. He said it was wrong because she was being held against her will.

The ADA asked why Cobbins didn’t help Christian get away after he promised to. “I tried to convince him (Davidson) to let everybody go,” Cobbins told her.

Fitzgerald pointed out that Davidson was gone from the house at some point and all Cobbins had to do was untie Christian and let her go. She asked why he didn’t do it and he said he was afraid because he knew Davidson was “a live wire.”

The ADA asked Cobbins if he poured bleach into Christian’s mouth to try to get rid of his DNA.

He said he didn’t know anything about bleach being poured into her mouth and didn’t know if it would make DNA deteriorate.

After a break, Cobbins told Fitzgerald he didn’t know Christian had called her father the night of the carjacking so he wasn’t present when the call was made.

He also said that sometimes while he’s in custody, he’s called his father, but didn’t remember if he called him the night of the carjacking. He said his father lived in Knoxville in January 2007.

State’s closing: Cobbins told so many different versions

ADA Fitzgerald talked about the different versions Cobbins told investigators of what happened during his questioning and painted him as a liar.

The state played parts of seven versions Cobbins told on audio tapes.

Fitzgerald said Cobbins told an eighth version on the witness stand Saturday.

“Why blindfold her (Christian)? She knows where she’s at. She drove there,” according to Cobbins, Fitzgerald said.

The ADA said the state believes Newsom was raped in the Chipman Street house because he was bound with bed sheets.

Fitzgerald also said Cobbins could at least admit he tore Christian’s lip from her gum when he had sex with her, but he didn’t. Then she said, “You hurt her, Mr. Cobbins.”

She said the bullets in Newsom’s body and the trash bags on Christian’s body are proof of premeditation.

Fitzgerald said if Cobbins’ account of being in a separate car during the carjacking is true, Christian and Newsom may have thought at first he was a witness who could help them.

“Mr. Cobbins could’ve been a hero that night (of the carjacking,” Fitzgerald said. “He chose not to. And you know why he chose not to, because he’s part of it.”

Fitzgerald said the state didn’t have enough evidence against Boyd to charge him like the other four defendants.

She said criminal responsibility makes Cobbins guilty of murdering Newsom and Christian.

Defense: state hasn’t proven case

Defense attorney Scott Green said Fitzgerald and Assistant District Attorney General Leland Price are two of the best prosecutors in the state, but they haven’t proven their case against Cobbins.

“He’s a liar, a rapist and a coward, but they haven’t proved he’s a killer,” Green said.

He also said the state hasn’t shown that Cobbins knew the carjacking was going to happen until it did.

Green said without Davidson sitting in the courtroom, the temptation is to take it out on Cobbins.

“Not acting like a hero doesn’t make you guilty of first degree murder,” Green said, adding that the state can “guess, assume and suppose” what Cobbins has done, but can’t prove it.

Green also focused on Davidson, saying Christian’s bruised arms and choking, though not to the point of hemorrhaging, were indications he killed her because he did similar things to his girlfriend, Daphne Sutton.

He pointed out Davidson’s prints are on Christian and Newsom’s belongings and said there’s testimony that Davidson gave away Christian’s clothes.

“Find him guilty of what he did. Let another jury come here and put a needle in the arm of the man who’s earned it,” Green said, then held up Davidson’s mug shot, “big brother.”

State makes final points

The state returned for its rebuttal closing with ADA Leland Price, who said looking at all the evidence in this case, Cobbins ignored “red flags” about his brother, Davidson.

“Criminal responsibility says he’s (Cobbins) just as guilty as the others,” Price said. “He’s right there alongside his brother all the way” despite seeing him beat his girlfriend (which Cobbins denied seeing) and point a gun at Lawson at one point.

Price said the defendants were looking for someone to carjack when they drove around Washington Ridge Apartments twice. Cobbins claimed they were trying to remember where the apartment was they were headed to.

Christian and Newsom’s deaths were guaranteed when they were taken back to the Chipman Street house, Price said.

He also pointed out that when Cobbins said he was raping Christian only Coleman was in the house. “He could’ve freed her, but he raped her,” Price said, “He left her there for his brother to have his fun.”


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  7. 64 Responses to “Christian/Newsom trial: Cobbins testifies, didn’t know victim’s first names.”

    1. O*R*I*O*N Says:

      Bantu, a major african language has no future tense.

      …Of course this was discovered only after white linguists made
      studies hereof…

      …However all indo-european languages do, so here is one possible future scenario pertaining to this case:

      Letalvis, Lemaricus et al get convicted and sentenced death penalties.

      Suicidalist white females feel compelled by the goodness of their hearts to protest the execution of any sanctified brown victims of institutional racism and proceed with candlelight vigils complete with dreadlocked reggae dance performances. This trend goes nationwide, then global.

      Amy Goodman interviews relatives of the “Tennessee Five” on DemocracyNow, while levantine lawyers pressure for presidential pardons.
      Desmond Tutu of S.A. fame is called upon to set up a truth-comission to heal the wounds of a fractured institutionally racist society.

      Relatives of the privileged “in-the-wrong-place-at-the-wrong-time” white victims/accomplices are urged by saintly Tutu, newly appointed Truth-Czar, to publicly forgive the now all born-again evangelical Xians Lemaricus et al. Some do.

      Presidential pardons are issued and the Tennesse Five are celebrated as national heroes on Black Entertainment Television, MTV. Several Spielberg and Moore productions ensue.

    2. Susan Says:

      Niggers lie and they lie a lot. They lie for a variety of different reasons–all of them selfish.

      Niggers don’t distinguish forcible rape upon an unwilling female and having sex with a consenting female.

      Niggers don’t operate from any kind of ethical system or base. They merely act and react mostly from a selfish in the moment perspective.

      When confronted with evil from another person, they see no need to intervene on an innocent person’s behalf.

      All of these reasons are more than enough why niggers do not belong in a civilized society. The real crime here is that our fedgov forces us to live alongside these savages with little or no recourse to remove ourselves from them.

      While the above may not be said about 100% of niggers, it can probably be said about 70 to 80% of them, which makes them racial truths.

      The whole thing just makes me sick to my stomach. Like the Wichita Massacre, it just makes me physically ill.

    3. Filles du Roi's Boi Says:

      There’s a fortune to be made auctioning off the rights to execute these beasts, of course any state gov’t that had the stones to do that wouldn’t have feral niggers wandering around torture-murdering young White girls in the first place, so it’s a moot point. You goddamned jews have a lot to answer for.

    4. Mega Therion Says:

      They are a curse,not a race. EVERY Nigger is your natural enemy. There are no “good ones” other than those that are dead. They are nothing but a tool of destruction for their JEW masters.

    5. Howdy Doody Says:

      Mega Therion Says:

      23 August, 2009 at 11:44 am

      They are a curse,not a race. EVERY Nigger is your natural enemy. There are no “good ones” other than those that are dead. They are nothing but a tool of destruction for their JEW masters.

      Yeap.

    6. Lewis Lewis Says:

      “Why blindfold her? She knows where she’s at. She drove there.”

      Sorry, but if I didn’t find some humor in this I’d just be too depressed.

    7. Susan Says:

      One of the reasons I believe in separation of the races is that even if there might be a nigger who could be trusted to behave in a civilized manner, there is no way to know this ahead of finding out that either he is or he isn’t. When the nigger who returned to the Mall of Georgia, cruised the parking lot, found a White girl, kidnapped her, took her back to his house locally and raped her, then brought her back to the Mall of Ga and dumped her out…..turns out to have been the manager of the Mall of Ga Starbuck’s, there is no living with these savage creatures.

      There is no way to tell the good ones from the bad ones until it is too late. We must be separated. Other than at work for an hour or so daily, my whole life is geared to staying the hell away from niggers. Period.

    8. Stan Sikorski Says:

      A nigger carjacks a White – DEATH. A nigger rapes a White – DEATH. A nigger kills a White – DEATH. No courts, no lawyers, nothing but pure justice and the removal of a feral, violent animal.

    9. Truthteller Says:

      The anger in me rising up again after reading that article. It must truly be tough for both families having to sit and listen to that ape animal Cobbins, without jumping in and beating the crap out of him.

      The jewish MSM once again are not touching this. Using the excuse that it is a “Local news story.” We all know if this had been four White guys that did this to a she-boon and her boyfriend, it would be all over the major networks everyday, screaming rascism. Such is the MSM guilty of covering up this race hate crime.

    10. Lutjens Says:

      “We all know if this had been four White guys that did this to a she-boon and her boyfriend, it would be all over the major networks everyday, screaming rascism. Such is the MSM guilty of covering up this race hate crime.”

      Four white guys nor one white guy, don’t rape she-boon animal apes.

      http://www.davidduke.com/general/jane-shearer-the-defilement-and-death-of-a-white-girl_3382.html

      http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0502.pdf

    11. Lutjens Says:

      Susan,

      Everything you posted is whitey’s fault, didn’t you know that, silly girl? :)

      The affenvolk need to be removed from terra firma, along with their kike masters.

    12. Lutjens Says:

      I’ve been watching the news and have seen NOTHING on these trials. I subscribe to German news channels and there is nothing regarding this crime on those either. Total media blackout except for in Knoxville and I am willing to bet even some residents in Knoxville are unaware of this crime or trials. Don Black and David Duke are absent. Where is Jeff Schoep and his SS forces? Is there any so-called WHITE nationalist leader present at the Knoxville courthouse? They must all be playing as “lone wolves” and planning something big LOL

    13. Blackshirt Says:

      “They must all be playing as “lone wolves” and planning something big LOL”

      Maybe they are, you don’t know and I don’t know… that’s the beauty of leaderless resistance.

      But with that said, how would having a few fat guys in brownshirts waving Nazi flags at the courthouse bring anything to the situation? Would it bring some media attention? You know the media attention would (if there was any) be extremely negative, and the families of the victims would probably have to denounce the support from WNs.

    14. nerk twins Says:

      ” Ize wuz smokin dat funny tatin blunt. Some white folks got hurt ? Man Ize musta been trippin. Das it ! So ya all can let me go home now.”

    15. Blackshirt Says:

      I wish I could go back in time and dispatch the white slave traders (yes, I know many slave traders were Jews, but many were just wealthy White people) who brought these niggers here. Why did they do it? Because they needed the labor and they were too cheap to pay White men and women to do it. Interesting how that sort of thing is still going on isn’t it?

      Just another example of how the rich, upper-class Whites have and continue to fuck over the White worker. Even today it isn’t the rich, upper-class Whites that have to live (and die) around niggers, but the poor and middle class Whites. Who brings in the wetbacks, dotheads, and gooks to do all the menial labor? Can you guess?

      Like Tom Metzger says, it is insane how many White Nationalists and racists romanticize the old South and the Confederacy, when it was the Confederacy that wanted to keep all of these niggers here and bring even MORE of them in. The Confederacy wanted to spread slavery into the western states, too. Lincoln had a plan to send all these savages back to Africa, but a Confederate loyalist put a bullet into him. And to think I used to romanticize the South too (I was born in the South), but now I see things much more clearly.

    16. Mega Therion Says:

      AMEN, Blackshirt!!!!! How anybody can admire the Old South is beyond me and exactly for the reasons you state. They fucked over the white worker, brought in countless niggers…no nigger explorer was ever to going to find the New World on their own! Between the nigger loving abolitionists of the north giving them rights that only man deserves and nigger loving(for labor) Southern King Cotton types bringing them in by the boatload…UGH!

      Separation was and is the only answer. BUT organized religion,crapitalism and this bullshit democracy don’t allow separation. Therefore…I see only dim prospects without a tectonic revolution.

    17. Blackshirt Says:

      Glad to see you agree, Mega. I see alot of bitching about niggers, but I rarely see any sort of focus on how they got here in the first place. Like you said, they didn’t find their way here, they were brought here by greedy fucks looking to maximize profit without seeing the future ramifications.

    18. Mega Therion Says:

      Blackshirt, we know that niggers are a SYMPTOM. Albeit a deadly one, but the virus is KIKES and crypto-Kikes whose greed does nothing but destroy. The niggers should be viewed as the deadly weapons that they are and avoided at all costs…but the JEW and like-minded avaricious cretins are who must be destroyed first for they CONTROL the nigger.

    19. sean gruber Says:

      I want to comment on a worrying sign regarding this trial.

      Not only are 70% of the jurors niggers, but also the jurors all come from Davidson County (I believe).

      Davidson County is a problem because that is the hellhole where Nashville is. Knoxville is in Knox County.

      Nashville/Davidson County is a sewer of jews, queers, coloreds (esp. mexcrement), the worst rejects of the White race, and retards. It is the shower trap of Tennessee, collecting hair and funk.

      Jurors from Davidson County are very likely be one of two things, or both.

      Either: 1. So perverted as to cheer the killers on, and feel the killers are heroes standing up to Old Evil America.

      Or 2.: Too retarded to grasp the facts of the case, or the plainest import of those facts.

      In my opinion, even a jury from Memphis would have been better.

      Sorry to be a downer. I call them like I see them. I hope I’m wrong.

    20. Susan Says:

      Sean: Thanks for your comments. Yeah, things probably aren’t looking good at all. The one bright spot is that they did replace one of the five sheboons with a White man on Friday, so maybe he’s a relatively smart guy who can steer those dumb fucks in the right direction. We can only hope.

      Niggers from anywhere isn’t a good idea.

      Comment about “shower trap” is too funny.

    21. Howdy Doody Says:

      IMO the whole court system is about paychecks, as job one. Job 2 keeping you in line.

    22. Blackshirt Says:

      Well Susan and Sean Gruber, I don’t understand why you are so glum. Did you really expect the system to give White people justice?

      There are two ways of looking at this situation… the first way is the usual old right wing “isn’t this awful that the system isn’t giving us justice” “We should do some more protests and express our displeasure at this situation”. This is the typical reaction of conservatives, but also of some White Nationalists and racists who want to believe in the system.

      The second way of looking at the situation is the revolutionary way. The revolutionary looks at this trial as another opportunity to undermine the system. The revolutionary isn’t going to cry over these niggers getting off or how many nigger jurors are on the case, the revolutionary WANTS the niggers to get off. The revolutionary knows that White people have to get to rock bottom before the fun begins. White people need to get their asses kicked until there is nowhere left to run and no one left to take their cause in the system. Then, and only then will the White population of this country will be ready to FIGHT.

      But as long as there still are boobs who think you can get justice through ZOG, we won’t see the revolution this country so desperately needs.

    23. Susan Says:

      SOMEBODY’S GOTTA STAND UP FOR WHAT’S RIGHT IN THIS COUNTRY. SOMEBODY HAS TO BE WILLING TO GO TO KNOXVILLE AND LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THIS IS WRONG.

      Kinda convenient to say that we’re not there yet….let’s you off the hook to do anything. Huh?

    24. Vaultner Says:

      They had them for days & in his eight versions of the story it sounds like there are many gaps of what was earlier said to have been done to them.

      “He’s a liar, a rapist and a coward, but they haven’t proved he’s a killer,” Green said.”

      When acts such as these are committed & murder happens he is also guilty of murder regardless of whether or not he actually murdered anyone.

      They should all be brutally executed for the carjacking let alone the rapes, & murders.

      There still sounds like there’s a missing link that one of them new Christian or Newsome not that that really matters any it also sounds like they could have owed a pack of gum to one of these four & gotten this carjacking & heinous crime committed against them.

    25. Blackshirt Says:

      Susan says:

      “SOMEBODY’S GOTTA STAND UP FOR WHAT’S RIGHT IN THIS COUNTRY. SOMEBODY HAS TO BE WILLING TO GO TO KNOXVILLE AND LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THIS IS WRONG.”

      Fine. Go and feel good about yourself. No one’s stopping you.

      “Kinda convenient to say that we’re not there yet….let’s you off the hook to do anything. Huh?”

      Now you are trying to turn this into a guilt trip for those who don’t believe in your strategic decisions. You have a reactionary perspective and that’s your thing… run with it. But don’t try to lay a guilt trip on those with a revolutionary perspective.

    26. Susan Says:

      I’m sorry but sitting in your mama’s basement wailing away on a keyboard does not make you a revolutionary.

    27. Blackshirt Says:

      Look Susan, I have refrained from making juvenile attacks on you and what you believe. Why are you stooping to that level? Let’s just agree to disagree and leave it at that. I don’t hate you like I do McReen, but if you want to make me your enemy I’ll defend myself.

    28. Mega Therion Says:

      Blackshirt,

      We’re outnumbered on here…it’s closer to a Hannity message board than a WN site. Schizos like Susan are mental lilliputians.

    29. roy rhodes Says:

      Blackshirt — In reference to your comments about the South: The North doesn’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to Negroes. The North gave Negroes freedom, citizenship and the vote. The North also made politicians and soldiers out of Negroes. Lincoln marshaled into service more than 200,000, Negroes to be armed and trained in ultra modern warfare for the purpose of killing White people in the South. The North also occupied the South with Negro installed puppet governemnts and Negro occupation troops.

      You can draw a straight line from Lincoln’s Black Republican administration to Barack Obama. Metzger’s talk about people in the South wanting to spread Negroes out West is all fiction. It never happened. In fact, it was the Northern government that spread Negroes all over the country after the war. Buffalo soldiers etc. Lincoln’s conversation about transferring Negroes off the continent was political lip service. As earlys as 1864, Lincoln was demanding that Negro union soldiers should get the vote.

      Slavery began in British America in the 1600s. To assign blame, you must start with British America.

    30. Tom McReen Says:

      “I wish I could go back in time and dispatch the white slave traders (yes, I know many slave traders were Jews, but many were just wealthy White people) who brought these niggers here. Why did they do it? Because they needed the labor and they were too cheap to pay White men and women to do it. Interesting how that sort of thing is still going on isn’t it?

      Just another example of how the rich, upper-class Whites have and continue to fuck over the White worker. Even today it isn’t the rich, upper-class Whites that have to live (and die) around niggers, but the poor and middle class Whites. Who brings in the wetbacks, dotheads, and gooks to do all the menial labor? Can you guess?”

      Still trying to distract us all with your ‘White capitalists not jews’ bullshit I see. Off-topic.

      “Like Tom Metzger says”

      Enough with the Metzger bulletins. Anyone who wants to know about Metzger can visit his site. Off-topic.

      “Separation was and is the only answer. BUT organized religion,crapitalism and this bullshit democracy don’t allow separation. Therefore…I see only dim prospects without a tectonic revolution.”

      Again with the leftist stuff, again off-topic. You post the same thing on every page. Maybe you missed Alex saying our cause isn’t a left-wing cause and it’s a mistake to ignore the holocaust.

      “We’re outnumbered on here…it’s closer to a Hannity message board than a WN site. Schizos like Susan are mental lilliputians.”

      There’s only one troll I know who has posted numerous times about the Sean Hannity message board…

      Anyway, is there any chance you ‘two’ monomaniacs could give it a rest? This is about Channon and Chris, I don’t want to click on this page and read more ramblings about Metzger and capitalism and evil White people.

    31. Mega Therion Says:

      The BALLS of a LIMEY TROLL to accuse ANYONE of getting off topic

      FUCK ENGLAND!

    32. Mega Therion Says:

      “Slavery began in British America in the 1600s”

      Not really…the Spanish and Portugese were the prime movers in the slave trade to the Americas. Particularly Merranos and conversos…

    33. Blackshirt Says:

      Yeah, look what the cat drug in… McWeenie must have got off early from his job at the ADL’s office in London.

      “The BALLS of a LIMEY TROLL to accuse ANYONE of getting off topic.”

      You’re right, Mega. I wouldn’t call it balls though, I’d call it his “job”.

      “McReen” says:

      “Still trying to distract us all with your ‘White capitalists not jews’ bullshit I see. Off-topic.”

      Listen you Tory snob, it is not “off topic” to talk about HOW the niggers got here in the first place. You wouldn’t have these murdering, filthy coons here if it weren’t for your friends the wealthy capitalist Whites… that is a FACT asshole and you are welcome to try to dispute it. (but you won’t because you have nothing to contribute but attacks on other posters, BTW)

      “‘White capitalists not jews’ bullshit I see.”

      Alright twat, you want to talk about JEWS? Let’s talk about the most famous JEW in the world, your lord and savior JEWSUS Christ. What do you have to say about Jesus being a JEW Tom, you fucking hypocrite? C’mon McReen, explain to us how you can bow low before the Jewish God and “son of God” and be a White Nationalist at the same time???

      DIE “McReen”. (or is it “Curt” or “banjo billy”?)

    34. Mega Therion Says:

      Well put,Blackshirt…McWeen WON’T ANSWER. He never does. Very “Old Dutch” -like in his dithyrambic rationalizatons.

    35. Blackshirt Says:

      ““Slavery began in British America in the 1600s”

      Not really…the Spanish and Portugese were the prime movers in the slave trade to the Americas. Particularly Merranos and conversos…”

      You are absolutely correct Mega. The Spaniards already had thousands of African slaves in South and Central America and the Caribbean way before the British even began to Colonize North America.

      “Roy Rhodes” you seem like a Confederate apologist. Your statement that the Union had negro soldiers is true, but did you know the South was also fielding negro units at the end of the war with plans to field more? Also your statement that “Metzger’s talk about people in the South wanting to spread Negroes out West is all fiction.” is NOT fiction and I will present you with proof if you decide to continue debating me on this subject.

    36. Roy Rhodes Says:

      When I say slavery began in the 1600s, it’s in reference to the original 13 colonies.

      The South never placed Negroes in the battle field. They didn’t have the resources for that. Metzger’s talk about the South wanting to spreading Negroes outside DIXIE never happened. Wanting to do something and doing it is two different things.

      I’m not a Confedrate apologist. Just the opposite. I’m proud that my ancestors made a great effort for Southern Independence. The Union is and has always been a Forced Alliance.

      Save your Confederate money
      Be proud you’re rebel
      Cause the South’s gonna do it again –Charlie Daniels Band

      Quotes from Professor Bob Whitaker:

      “For all their talk about the Constitution, a United States without the South would have exactly the same laws that Canada has today, Hate Laws and all.”

      “The United States hates the Southern nation and it hates white gentiles.
      That is its only basis.”

      “That’s not a basis for a Union. The North needs to get a life.”

    37. Blackshirt Says:

      Good grief! We have one nut who thinks Catholics and the pope are pulling strings behind everything (Old Dutch), another who thinks Harold Covington has the answers to all our problems (New America), and now we have a “Roy Rhodes” who thinks the South is going to rise again!

      What is it with the right wing and this sort of shit? No wonder we can’t get anywhere. Roy, I’m not going to argue with you… you are obviously too far gone and “out there”… still fighting the Civil War.

    38. N.B. Forrest Says:

      The Old South should not be romanticized. Slavery did have its root in the greed of a self-styled aristocracy – but the South was still the better, justified side in that war: yes, the “cavaliers” wanted to continue to park their asses on their white-columned porches while shafting the “white trash” subsistence farmers with Rastus, but Roy Rhodes is right when he says that the North is responsible for spreading the bipedal shit from sea to shining sea. And as for exploitation of the White worker, the plantation boys had nothing on the Yank robber baron cocksuckers.

    39. Roy Rhodes Says:

      I’m not fighting anything. The North and South behaved in a despicable shameful manner. Both sides ended up with bad government. I got no praises for the lot.

      But the South did rise again. It’s called the 1960s civil rights wars.

    40. Justin Huber Says:

      Could it be that “Big Agriculture” helped to bring about the dispossession of southern whites just as “Big Business” continues to do the same to northern whites today? Just something to think about.

    41. New America Says:

      in reply to Blackshirt:

      you wrote:

      Good grief! We have one nut who thinks Catholics and the pope are pulling strings behind everything (Old Dutch), another who thinks Harold Covington has the answers to all our problems (New America), and now we have a “Roy Rhodes” who thinks the South is going to rise again!

      in reply:
      I can’t speak for Old Dutch, or Roy Rhodes.

      I can speak for myself.

      I assure you, I have never believed that Harold Covington has the answers to all of our problems.

      Only WE can have “the answers to all of our problems” and this begins by rejecting the false framing of “our problems,” and not accepting the Terms and Definitions of our Racial Enemies.

      The Northwest Republic Analytical Model scares the daylights out of the Children among us, because it requires us to recognize that only the intelligent acceptance of responsibility leads to the effective use of power, for the most effective of purposes.

      Believe me – Covington, correctly, holds the “right wing” in more contempt than anyone this side of Linder.

      And rightfully so, I might add.

      you wrote:

      What is it with the right wing and this sort of shit? No wonder we can’t get anywhere. Roy, I’m not going to argue with you… you are obviously too far gone and “out there”… still fighting the Civil War.

      in reply:
      I think anyone who seriously posts on VNN left the right wing behind in the follies of yesterday.

      Good damn riddance.

      Fourteen Forever

    42. New America Says:

      Oh, and Blackshirt?

      In another post on this thread, you wrote, in part:

      Alright twat, you want to talk about JEWS? Let’s talk about the most famous JEW in the world, your lord and savior JEWSUS Christ. What do you have to say about Jesus being a JEW Tom, you fucking hypocrite? C’mon McReen, explain to us how you can bow low before the Jewish God and “son of God” and be a White Nationalist at the same time???

      in reply:
      Jesus was not a Jew.

      READ the genealogies.

      Only the JUDEO-Christians believe this.

      The REAL Christians are not fooled.

      Fourteen Forever.

    43. Blackshirt Says:

      “I think anyone who seriously posts on VNN left the right wing behind in the follies of yesterday.”

      I wish that were true NA. But as the continued existence of McReen on VNN forums goes to show, right wing conservative thought is alive and well on VNN. Most of what McReen says can be heard almost verbatim on the Conservative websites and blogs. The only difference between McReen and his conservative buddies is that he will name the Jew and they only do it when they are in their private parlors. But just because McReen and conservatives like him name the Jew, it doesn’t mean they are out of the right wing. I used to be a conservative right winger, so I know. As long as someone believes in the system, capitalism and Christinsanity, they are “right wing”. Revolutionary racists don’t believe in those things, only right wingers do.

    44. Blackshirt Says:

      “Jesus was not a Jew.

      READ the genealogies.

      Only the JUDEO-Christians believe this.

      The REAL Christians are not fooled.”

      Yeah, and I bet you believe he was a blond haired, blue-eyed Aryan whose father was a Roman soldier and his mother was a Gallic slave. OK, I believe that ;-) LOL

      Keep drinking the kool aide, and remember to catch the tail of the next comet…

    45. Tom McReen Says:

      What a shame the trolls have dragged everyone off-topic.

      Anyway, I must respond as I see ‘Blackshirt’ is again lying about my views, calling everyone ‘Conservatives’ and trying to turn the White cause into a left-wing crusade. All very familiar. Same shit, different day.

      This obsessed hatred of ‘right-wing’ is interesting, especially as they also blame ‘capitalism’ and ‘organised religion’ and try to have us hate other Whites rather than jews. These posts are identical to the left-wingers posting on MSM forums.

      What is ‘right-wing’ anyway? Conservatives? LOL. Surely the problem with Conservatives is that they aren’t ‘right-wing’ at all! Blackshirt sounds like one of those mad Democrat-voting left-wing nuts who calls everyone he dislikes ‘right-wing’.

      “Revolutionary racists don’t believe in those things, only right wingers do.”

      Look, he’s redefining the movement! ‘Revolutionary’ = marxist. ‘Reactionary’ = those evil right-wing White males.

      Perhaps ‘Blackshirt’ would have been taken more seriously if he didn’t use sock puppets, if he attacked the left as much as he attacks ‘Conservatives’, stopped trying to drive genuine WNs off VNN and actually realised the holohoax didn’t happen and Mossad did 9/11.

      I don’t see how marxist clowns and satanists can appoint themselves as WN leaders on an internet forum, constantly insult everyone and expect that everyone should conform to their views.

    46. Mega Therion Says:

      FUCK ENGLAND. The CREATORS of Israel.

    47. Mega Therion Says:

      A simple question…McReen was BANNED in early July. Why was this LIMEY troll reinstated?

    48. Blackshirt Says:

      Hey McReen, how about answering my question about Jewsus being a Jew? Why do you worship a Jew, McReen? Why can’t you answer that? Why do you bow your knee to the Jewish God, hypocrite?

    49. Blackshirt Says:

      “What a shame the trolls have dragged everyone off-topic.”

      The original troll, accusing others of doing something he is expert at! Too funny. :-) LOL

    50. Blackshirt Says:

      “…and try to have us hate other Whites rather than jews.”

      Oh, but I DO hate Jews, McReen. I hate the most famous Jew of them all (if he ever existed, which is open to debate) and I hate the religions of the Jews, and I would NEVER bend my knees to their god.

      And yet, you accuse others of not hating Jews as much as you supposedly do. That’s funny when you WORSHIP a Jew! What a hypocrite!

    51. Blackshirt Says:

      “A simple question…McReen was BANNED in early July. Why was this LIMEY troll reinstated?”

      Well Mega, I have noticed when I have glanced over at the main forum from time to time that “Tom McReen” is listed as a “senior member” over there. Perhaps he strokes Linder’s ego, or has made a financial contribution to VNN. I would suspect those things are possible, and if he did make a financial contribution it probably won’t hurt “him” much since “his” Jewish puppetmasters have plenty of shekels to spend on disrupting sites like this.

    52. New America Says:

      in further reply to Blackshirt:

      you wrote, in part:

      …As long as someone believes in the system, capitalism and Christinsanity, they are “right wing”. Revolutionary racists don’t believe in those things, only right wingers do.

      in reply:
      That’s NOT a definition of “right wing.”

      Essentially, you seem to be trapped in defining “reactionary” as “right wing.”

      It is your uniquely undefined terms that shows the lack of intellectual integrity that is at the heart of your “analysis,” which is little more than name-calling.

      So, your definition of “right wing” is really “reactionary” – good Marxist-Leninist term, that – and the other side are the “revolutionary racists.”

      NOW we are getting somewhere.

      This sounds like a parody of Metzger before he saw The Light, and tied into Jack London – a TRUE Aryan, a TRUE White Nationalist, and a TRUE “revolutionary racist.”

      Here’s the question that we can answer, that you “revolutionary racists” seem to avoid:

      “After this Racial Revolution, what would your new country your new nation, look like? In particular, what would you use for a Constitution, and what would be the organizing principles for the government, how would the government be organized, and what would the economic model for this government be?”

      You can answer at your convenience.

      I will answer now.

      The highest and best answer can be seen in Harold Covington’s Northwest Republic Analytical Model.

      Period.

      Fourteen Forever.

    53. Mega Therion Says:

      Blackshirt,

      I’m also listed as a “senior member” over there as well(different name) despite not posting in eons…but I’m pretty sure he sent in a few Euros to those in charge.

      McReen is certainly a “senior member”..as in an OLD DICK. A typical mindless Jew worshipping clown. He’s a hypocrite in every sense.

    54. Blackshirt Says:

      “After this Racial Revolution, what would your new country your new nation, look like? In particular, what would you use for a Constitution, and what would be the organizing principles for the government, how would the government be organized, and what would the economic model for this government be?”

      My answer to you is that a new constitution would have to be drawn up that would guarantee White racial survival. I can’t give you the details of such a document because it is all very hypothetical now. We’ll worry about those things when and if we can pull a revolution off. But I think it would be safe to say that in that event a new racist White government would have the examples of National Socialist Germany and Fascist Italy as precedence. Corporations would have to subordinate their greed for profits to the best interests of the state- the state being a White racist one, corporations could no longer do anything that would damage the people or the nation such as outsourcing jobs or encouraging third world immigration for cheap labor.

    55. Curt O'brian Says:

      The most disturbed mentally crippling birth defect you can have. Give me an honest retarded person who tries to do the right thing over the smartest gay in the world.

      There’s a gay ghetto somewhere and it was put there by societal forces for a reason.

    56. Curt O'brian Says:

      So when you have interlocking dialogue where it looks like six people are against one it really is probably one on one. What a coward to have to post under different names.

      But you know, you are gay.

    57. Curt O'brian Says:

      The question I would ask is why are so many, and it is a huge percentage maybe a majority of, Jews bisexual or gay? It’s the historical Jewish ghettos right? The fastest way for a person to make money in a ghetto is to sell their sexuality. Like everything else jews do what is negative and repellant they try to reframe as a positive. Is that it? You are obviously representing a Jewish group so you know right?

    58. Vaultner Says:

      Roy Rhodes said:
      “The South never placed Negroes in the battle field. They didn’t have the resources for that.”

      Not true there were free niggers who fought for the South.
      Northern troops had orders to shoot them on sight regardless of circumstance.

      jewboyamerikwa said:

      “I assure you, I have never believed that Harold Covington has the answers to all of our problems.”

      jewboyamerikwa later said:
      “The highest and best answer can be seen in Harold Covington’s Northwest Republic Analytical Model.

      Period.”

      GOOD GOD IN THE SAME FUCKING THREAD!

    59. Mega Therion Says:

      This has to be a joke…the HOMOSEXUAL-OBSESSED alter ego of McReen(“Curt”) makes a cameo to mention fags..FOR NO REASON other than to make it clear he has dicks on his mind..and his mouth.

      I hope there’s no fags in the Northwest!

    60. Janet Says:

      I live in California and if it wasn’t for VNN I would have never heard of this case. I watch all the major news channels and not one word.

      Those are 2 beautiful white kids. This story really breaks my heart. If that young man or woman were my child, I don’t think I’d be able to restrain myself from killing them.

      Those 5 niggers should be stoned to death. If they are acquitted (God help us all) I hope this is the spark that will create another revolution.

      As a lot of you know California has been on a slippery slope for a while. I’m getting out and moving to a whiter America.

      I’ve been angry for a while and this trial has put me over the top. All I can say is that I’ve become active in the movement and am doing what I can to help my white brothers and sisters.

      However though as Sean alluded to (love the shower trap comment), some white folks are beyond salvageable (especially the Mud Sharks). Let the Jews and the darkies have them.

    61. Blackshirt Says:

      Excellent points, Vaultner.

      “Roy Rhodes said:
      “The South never placed Negroes in the battle field. They didn’t have the resources for that.”

      Not true there were free niggers who fought for the South.
      Northern troops had orders to shoot them on sight regardless of circumstance.”

      Negro soldiers fought for the Confederacy:
      http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/blackcs.htm
      http://www.37thtexas.org/html/BlkHist.html
      http://www.forrestsescort.org/blacks.htm
      http://www.civilwarhistory.com/slavetrade/blacksoldiersCSA.htm

      Jews in the Confederacy:
      http://www.thesouthernamerican.org/stardavid.html
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judah_Benjamin

      Yes I know, it’s all lies, right Roy? LOL. Sort of like the people who swear up and down that Jesus wasn’t a Jew. They just can’t accept the reality.

    62. New America Says:

      in reply to Blackshirt:

      you wrote, quoting me:
      “After this Racial Revolution, what would your new country your new nation, look like? In particular, what would you use for a Constitution, and what would be the organizing principles for the government, how would the government be organized, and what would the economic model for this government be?”

      you replied:

      My answer to you is that a new constitution would have to be drawn up that would guarantee White racial survival. I can’t give you the details of such a document because it is all very hypothetical now. We’ll worry about those things when and if we can pull a revolution off. But I think it would be safe to say that in that event a new racist White government would have the examples of National Socialist Germany and Fascist Italy as precedence. Corporations would have to subordinate their greed for profits to the best interests of the state- the state being a White racist one, corporations could no longer do anything that would damage the people or the nation such as outsourcing jobs or encouraging third world immigration for cheap labor.

      in reply:
      WAAAYYYY ahead of you.

      http://www.northwestfront.org/constitution.html

      And, with that, we should discuss the case before us, and how it could not occur in a White Homeland, a Northwest Republic.

      Fourteen Forever

    63. New America Says:

      in reply to Blackshirt:

      you wrote, quoting me:
      “After this Racial Revolution, what would your new country your new nation, look like? In particular, what would you use for a Constitution, and what would be the organizing principles for the government, how would the government be organized, and what would the economic model for this government be?”

      My answer to you is that a new constitution would have to be drawn up that would guarantee White racial survival. I can’t give you the details of such a document because it is all very hypothetical now. We’ll worry about those things when and if we can pull a revolution off. But I think it would be safe to say that in that event a new racist White government would have the examples of National Socialist Germany and Fascist Italy as precedence. Corporations would have to subordinate their greed for profits to the best interests of the state- the state being a White racist one, corporations could no longer do anything that would damage the people or the nation such as outsourcing jobs or encouraging third world immigration for cheap labor.

      in reply:
      BOOM! goes the dynamite!

      http://www.northwestfront DOT org/constitution DOT html

      Or, just go to the northwestfront website, and click on the drop-down menus.

      Now, let’s keep the discussion where it belongs – on the murder of White children, and what the trial means to the White Race.

      Fourteen Forever

    64. Vaultner Says:

      I don’t see much wrong with the original Constitution except the lack of a simple clause to the effect of “for strait White Christians only”, & the removal of the Fourteenth Amendment & which ever one grants fag rights.

      Anyone such as Covington & jewboyamerikwa who abdicates a North West Republic are in fact defeatists.

      If the session of the 1860′s was put down what success could we have over the Rockies? NONE!

      You might as well be reading alternate endings books for WWII. Covington is nothing more than a fantasy novel.

      We must encourage the White youths we know to apply themselves to be in law enforcement, lawyers, politicians, doctors etc. & then change it from within. It may sound like an impossible pipe dream but it’s the only way there’ll be a real chance of survival.
      We must become the power source again.

      Provided we give them the proper upbringing to discourage the jew machines propaganda.

      A new smaller republic could only succeed out of the ashes of the old one & if that happens there’ll be a chance to reestablish the entire continent as it was meant to be.