Christians: God-damned No-Character-Having Dummies
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[There is nothing that better reveals the quintessential lowness of the Christ cult than the deathbed conversion. Do none of these clowns have an atom of awareness that the prey and the priest and ignobler than dung beetles? It would be hard to say they do. They seem really pleased with the fishsticks and Lowenbrau repast they’ve put together for themselves.]
The Conversion of Lee Atwater
An Interview with John A. Hardon, S.J.
Lee Atwater, former head of the Republican National Committee and advisor to and political strategist for Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush, died a Catholic at age 40 on Good Friday, 1991. Shortly thereafter, Fidelity magazine, the predecessor to Culture Wars, interviewed John A. Hardon, S.J., concerning the circumstances of Mr. Atwater’s conversion. After receiving a transcription of the interview, Fr. Hardon asked that, in deference to Mr. Atwater’s family, it not be published so soon after Mr. Atwater’s death. Fr. Hardon died in December, 2000. The interview was conducted for Fidelity by James G. Bruen, Jr., and is here set forth for the first time.
Fidelity: Father Hardon, what can you tell us about Lee Atwater’s conversion?
Fr. Hardon: Let me talk for a few minutes on how I became involved in Lee Atwater’s life and his conversion. Let me then briefly describe how I became involved in the last year of Lee Atwater’s life and the glorious conversion.
There was a good friend of mine here in Washington by the name of Gary Maloney. I had Gary in class at the Notre Dame Institute. They came to know each other, and Gary was working with the Republican Party. One day Gary called me up. He asked if I could come to Washington the next day. I asked him what the emergency was. He said Lee Atwater, the head of the Republican Party, has had some seizures, blackouts, and he might go out any moment.
Gary told me he talked to Atwater, and asked him, Lee, are you afraid to die? He said, I sure am. And I suppose you’re afraid, Gary told Lee, of what’s going to happen to you after you die. Yes, I’m scared. So then Gary told Lee: Tell you what, there’s only one way you can be sure that when you die you’ll be safe in the next world. You need a Catholic priest to absolve you of all your sins. Lee said, Where do I get a Catholic priest, because I’m not a Catholic. I’ll get one, said Gary. So he called me up from the Republican offices and asked if I could come in the next day. And, he said, if you can make it, the Republican Party will take care of your transportation. We’ll have the tickets waiting for you.
So, whatever adjustment I had to make, I took an early flight from Metro airport in Detroit to National, and Gary Maloney was waiting for me. He took me right over to the Atwater residence.
F: What happened next?
Fr. H: Lee was in bed, fully conscious. Part of his body was paralyzed, but in great pain. So I introduced myself and then began the shortest instruction in the faith that I have ever given. It was, I would say, almost two full days; give or take, more than five hours each day. I found out that Lee had been of some Southern Protestant background. He thought he was baptized but it wasn’t all that clear. So after we talked I asked him questions. There was no question: Lee wanted to believe everything that the Catholic Church teaches.
So the second day, in the evening, I was taken to Georgetown. I talked to the rector. I told him what I was going to do, to make sure that I was covered by Jesuit permissions. Whatever you have to do for Lee, why go ahead. So I got some water for baptismal water, brought the Blessed Sacrament, and also the oils. I gave him conditional baptism because he may have been, but I’m not sure, he was baptized validly.
Then, well, every minute that I was in Lee’s room, there was someone from the Republican Party. So Lee was never left alone with me. So when time to hear confession arrived, I said, “Look, you’ve got to leave.” They weren’t ready to leave. I said, “Look, I’m going to hear his confession. Strictly private.” So they left. I heard his confession and explained that if the baptism was valid – that is he had never been baptized validly before – then the baptism had done it. I questioned Lee, and there was no doubt: he was sure that if he was now validly baptized that his sins are removed, and that if he was not validly baptized, then I would of course hear his confession. I told Lee, “Lee, in the event that you have been validly baptized [before], you have got some repairing to do.” So I spent all the time that was necessary.
And I brought the pyx with me with the Blessed Sacrament, and held up the host and said, “Lee, do you believe this is Jesus Christ, son of Mary, in the flesh?” And he looked at me and said, “Do you believe it?” “I sure do.” “So do I.” Then I gave him his first communion, anointed him, and explained that if the first baptism as a child was valid, then of course confession and anointing – anointing will remove even the punishment due to sin. So, then, the third day.
In the meantime, I finished my immediate stay here in Washington, and came to know the family. I came to know Sally, Lee’s wife. And that would have been in March of last year.
F: Several times before Mr. Atwater’s death, the newspapers referred to his accepting Christ. They used words that led the reader to think that he had an evangelical Protestant conversion. Was that involved?
Fr. H: No. It wasn’t.
F: It wasn’t two steps?
Fr. H: No.
F: The newspapers also said that after he accepted Christ, he went through a period of making telephone calls to people either apologizing for what he did in the past or reconciling himself to people he’d made enemies with. Did you have any knowledge about that?
Fr. H: No. I did not touch that part of his life. But I would say this: It would be totally in character from what I understand Lee had been before and what I knew of Lee Atwater.
F: Did you visit Mr. Atwater thereafter?
Fr. H: I took every occasion that I could to come to Washington and to, well, look into Lee’s condition. It was quite an experience because many people did not appreciate, first of all, my having received Lee into the Church at the beginning. There were those who also were not comfortable with my coming to visit Lee at the hospital. I commuted between his home and the hospital.
In an effort to make sure that Lee would be kept in contact with a priest, there is a Fr. Francis Early in the Washington archdiocese who had been a permanent deacon but he never married, so he went to Rome and was ordained by Cardinal Baum a few years back. I knew Fr. Early so I contacted him early – pardon me – soon after I had ministered to Lee for the first time. Whenever I was in Washington I’d either visit the home or, especially in the last months, maybe the hospital. Fr. Early was introduced at the hospital once, to meet Lee. I explained, “Now, Lee, this is Fr. Early. I’m in Detroit; I can’t be here as often as I’d like to. Fr. Early you’ll find a very congenial and cooperative priest.” So that’s what Fr. Early did.
F: Did you ever have trouble getting in to see Mr. Atwater?
Fr. H: Once when we were in the hospital there was just no way we could get in. For whatever reason, not passing judgment on the reason, I was told we could not come in to see Lee. I had the Blessed Sacrament with me, and I knew that Lee was failing. I wanted to make sure that I saw him still conscious. Finally, after about an hour and a half, a nurse’s aide came out of the room. I explained to her: “We’ve been waiting here, and I have the Blessed Sacrament with me.” Either she was Catholic or at least she was sympathetic, so she said okay. I went in and gave Lee absolution and Holy Communion. Fr. Early was with me. I saw him once more, just before he died. I’d say about two weeks. The door was wide open to his hospital room, just a single bed in a hospital, nobody around, so I walked in. He was still conscious. Again I gave him Communion. I gave him absolution. And that’s the last time I saw Lee Atwater.
F: Were you familiar with Lee Atwater’s public personae before you met him? The big tent theory, the hardball politician, that type of thing?
Fr. H: I had heard there was a Lee Atwater, but not much else. But during the year, I heard a lot. He became a totally different person.
Each time that I came to Washington, Lee just put out his hands, and I could embrace him. And if you know much about Lee Atwater, he was not the naturally affable type. He was a tough hombre. But Lee talked a good deal, and Lee changed my life in the sense that I saw a marvel, a work of grace.
F: Did Mr. Atwater develop a prayer life?
Fr. H: The first time that we met at his residence when I received him into the Church, he told me that a Catholic nurse had been on duty in the hospital where he was taken after his first seizures. She said, Mr. Atwater, this is a Miraculous Medal. He knew nothing about miraculous medals. Would you mind if I pin it on you? He said, sure. And he told me: “Father, I will never take this medal off my clothing until I die.” I’m not sure he was buried with the medal; I know he would have wanted to be buried with the medal.
Then I found out he had never been invested in the Confraternity of the Miraculous Medal. About a year after my ordination I talked to a Jesuit priest awaiting our last hours who encouraged us to take our faculties, as he called them, for investing people in the Confraternity of the Miraculous Medal. I figured, there’s no charge, so I signed up and then a couple of weeks later I got my Latin documentation and the prayer for blessing the medal, investiture, and the closing prayer.
I think it’s of some moment to say this because it touches on Lee Atwater. The following year I was helping out as a chaplain at a hospital near Cleveland. A boy went sled riding downhill, ran his head into a tree, cracked his skull; no membrane damage, alive in a coma, and no chance of recovery. The only question was whether he would live. I was there ten days in the hospital before I went to visit him, figuring I can’t do anything for the boy, anyhow. One night after I finished all the other visitations, I went up to his room. His mother and father were there. I blessed the boy, consoled the parents, and I was walking out of the room. [inaudible] He said, “Father, this medal works.” I stopped. Now, this will be a test. As it happened, I had my formula of the investiture. I carry it; it was in Latin then, though. I didn’t have a medal, so I asked the nun on duty on that floor if she had a Miraculous Medal. She found one; you have to have a ribbon. So I blessed the medal and then put it around the boy’s neck for the investiture. As soon as I finished that investiture and said “amen,” he opened his eyes, recognized his mother, and said, “Mom, I’m hungry.” After we got over the shock, the doctor came in. At any rate, three days of x-rays were negative.
So I enrolled Lee Atwater in the Confraternity. And I can say honestly, for the year from when I received him into the Church until our last visit before he died, Lee told me more than once, “Father, every conscious moment, I am praying.”
At the first stage, he was hospitalized in Washington, then he was sent up to New York for brain surgery. They removed whatever malignancy there was on his brain. He told me when he got back to Washington that the surgery lasted about four hours and for whatever reason, they either gave him no anesthetic or just minimal anesthesia; they couldn’t because of the brain. Couldn’t do it. So they asked him if he wanted to have the surgery in effect without anesthesia. He said, “Father, I never thought a human being could suffer that much, but I prayed every moment of those four hours.”
I’m guessing now, I’d say he spent most of the last six or seven months in the hospital. Fr. Early would call ahead but there were those who were not eager, to put it mildly, to have Lee Atwater administered to by a Catholic priest.
F: Are you referring to his family or are you referring to the Republican Party?
Fr. H: No, not the family. Sally, his wife, was there much of the time when I was giving Lee instructions. The oldest daughter is going to Catholic school, by the way. Sally was very cooperative. But whether the Republican Party or other people who were surrounding Lee and had whatever parts they had. I would call. Not regularly, but on a given day when I would call. I’d try to keep in touch with Lee by telephone as long as he was conscious and in communication with the public because I knew how much it meant to him to have someone call up and just talk to him about God.
On any one occasion, and I didn’t do it so often as to become a nuisance, I would call five or more times trying to reach him. I knew he wanted to talk. But others didn’t want me to talk to him.
F: Was this resistance a political maneuver?
Fr. H: That I don’t know. And I don’t judge the motives. I just know that the telephone calls had to be screened through a certain person. Well, I called up Sally, his wife, first. I told her I was going to talk to Lee, and she said “fine.” Yet when I called the hospital, the hospital was informed the calls had to go through another person.
That’s where Fr. Early was just tremendous because he was in the city, and the concern that I had that Lee was sustained by the sacraments, especially Holy Communion. I also asked the Missionaries of Charity if they would visit Lee Atwater, and they did, but I don’t know how frequently.
F: What condition was Mr. Atwater in during your later visits?
Fr. H: He needed all the strength that he could get – he couldn’t do much talking – just to hear. He could hear, and you knew that he was listening. Talk about Our Lord and the God of mercy. Lee told me in the early stages when there was still some prospect of his recovery, if I recover, he said, I’m getting out of politics; I’ll spend the rest of my life working for others. His great concern was to be of service to others. In our conversations uniformly we never talked politics, never. It was always about God and His mercy, His goodness, His mysterious providence.
I can say that when I came to know Lee Atwater, he was as resigned as any person that I’ve dealt with in forty-four years of priesthood to accepting God’s providence in his life.
Father Early managed to keep in contact with him, and I know that I, at least, often prayed with Lee. I taught him a few simple prayers – the Our Father, the Hail Mary. On the day that I received him into the Church, we said the rosary together. Of course I was leading next to his bed, and he would listen very intently. I gave him a rosary. He didn’t have to recite the prayer, but just think of the mysteries of the rosary. So, substantially, that’s it.
F: How did it come about that Mr. Atwater was buried from a non-Catholic funeral in a non-Catholic cemetery?
Fr. H: As I mentioned earlier, for one year it was completely obvious to me that there were people close to Mr. Atwater who knew what was going on: Lee’s now becoming a Catholic, whether they believed it or not. But they would not. So that unless he made very explicit demands – and for months before he died he was in no position to do that – he would not be buried in the Catholic Church and a Catholic cemetery.
Mrs. Atwater did come to the requiem Mass I celebrated later at the Little Flower Church. She spoke after the Mass for about ten minutes. She said her husband had come to know a great man, Ronald Reagan, in the White House, and another great man, George Bush. Then he met Jesus Christ. She was very happy about Lee’s becoming a Catholic.
F: Why did these people try to build a barrier between Mr. Atwater and you, or between him and the Catholic faith?
Fr. H: I would be guessing. All I know is that it was very clear that he was in what I would call protective custody.
Of course, by that time I didn’t worry much about it because I knew he was a Catholic. Nothing they could do would change him because it was not just an emotional mood or anything subjective. He was as cold as a piece of steel in our conversation, and he asked very explicit questions. I did go through the Creed, the authenticity of Christ’s teaching, the historicity of the gospels. It wasn’t just whether you accept Christ as your savior.
This interview was published in the November, 2009 issue of Culture Wars.
http://www.culturewars.com/2009/Atwater.htm
18 December, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Mr Linder rushes to judgement on the Jesuits. Their organization has a history of impossible deeds due to their selection for superior intelligence. You should study their conquest of South America. As a former altar boy and professing Atheist, I was amazed at this article.
The Constitution of Himmler’s SS was based on the Constitution of the Society of Jesus written by Ignatius Loyola. White Nationalists need a similar organization.
19 December, 2009 at 1:28 am
I know all that. The Jesuits developed some techniques. Got a link to a constitution of the SS document?
19 December, 2009 at 11:11 am
Revilo Oliver.
One of my favourite essayists and commentators was Revilo Oliver. He had a keen and penetrating intelligence which he used to scrub my brain clean of all the lies and notions I had about how the world worked. He literally turned my world upside down. I read his work voraciously and in a couple of years I was a different person.
I did have a problem with his atheism though. How could he be cognizant of the shenanigans of free-masons, occultists and other Satanists and still remain an atheist? How could he know of the rituals, sacrifice of people and animals by witches and still think it was hocus-pocus. Would these people gather in secluded woods, literally freezing their arses in the middle of the night just to bay at the moon?
So it was with some pleasure for me when, near the end of his life, he finally came to the conclusion that something was going on. Revilo Oliver, the staunch atheist was finally getting a clue. Here is what he wrote:
“The question of precisely what fires the will of the wealthy supranational elites seeking to manipulate and control world events, has not escaped the attention of serious students of conspiracies and cover-ups. A theory that a conspiracy has been working consciously for many centuries is not very plausible unless one attributes to them a religious unity. That is tantamount to regarding them as Satanists engaged in the worship and service of supernatural evil. The directors of the conspiracy must see or otherwise directly perceive manifestations, which convince them of the existence and power of Lucifer. And since subtle conspirators must be very shrewd men, not likely to be deceived by auto-suggestion, hypnosis, or drugs, we should have to conclude that they probably are in contact with a force of pure evil.” Prof. Revilo P. Oliver, (Conspiracy or Degeneracy? USA).
There are people out there who seriously expect you to believe that creation (something) formed from nothing into a blob of goo. This goo somehow goes on to become a bird, then a dinosaur, somehow turning into a monkey somewhere along the line, then pooof; here we are scratching our arses.
Is there anybody out there that still wants to call God a liar?
Alex Linder never sold his soul, he gave it away
19 December, 2009 at 1:37 pm
No one who seeks or makes a deathbed conversion has a soul, and no one who believes in conspiracies for which threre is no evidence has a mind.
19 December, 2009 at 3:47 pm
alex Says:
No one who seeks or makes a deathbed conversion has a soul, and no one who believes in conspiracies for which threre is no evidence has a mind.
And let us remember, too, that Oliver’s verdict in Conspiracy or Degeneracy was in favor of degeneracy as being the cause of white racial decline, not conspiracy.
The complete speech is available here:
http://www.revilo-oliver.com/Audio/rpo19660702_Conspiracy_Or_degeneracy.mp3
It’s a pity that Oliver never considered other causes of Western decline than biological degeneration or conspiracy. He gets tantalizingly close to understanding what the problem is, but never quite arrives. At around minute 16, he lays out the alternative, conspiracy or degeneracy, and decides in favor of the latter. But by minute 18, he is pining for a return to the golden age of the white man’s technology, which he places at the beginning of the twentieth century. Dr. MacDonald gets closer, admitting that “modernity”, i.e., the growth of the global technological system since around that time, has played a role in the West’s decline, although he weights the Jews a more important cause. Why, he does not say. The technophilic Dr. Pierce seldom in any of his addresses attributes the West’s decline to anything but the action of Jews. Dr. Oliver here derides that view as inadequate to explain the rise and fall of civilizations generally.
Ultimately, Oliver pessimistically concludes that the main problem may be that whites may have lost the will to live. The talk makes references to racial differences in genetics – a topic that was just beginning to be understood at the time of his address – but his remarks are surprisingly egalitarian for a so-called racist. He says that “evil” is found among all races, and if he understood that such things as the intense raciality of Jews, as opposed to whites, has a genetic basis and may well be basis of their ascendancy over whites during this period, he doesn’t even hint as much. Like Drs. Pierce and MacDonald, he is basically a technophile, and shares their naïve faith in “progress”, although in the part of this speech where he offers a nightmare vision of a possible future based on the work of a Jew named Seidenberg, he also seems to realize that human devolution as an outcome of the growth of the technological system is a real possibility. Absent from any of these men’s thoughts is the idea of technological necessity found in Ellul. Inexplicably for men of such scientific casts of mind, they seem to think that human will is absolutely free, and that a given stage of technological development implies nothing about what will follow. But this is quite obviously wrong. The insatiable desire for MORE drives the technological system’s expansion. It would therefore be impossible, as Dr. Oliver indicates would be optimum, to simply voluntarily arrest technological development at the level of 1909 or so. On the contrary, it was about that time that the white man’s quest for resources to feed his wonderful invention of technology brought him fully into contact (and into conflict) with the rest of the races of the world. For reasons of history, culture, and genetics, he was unwilling to simply exterminate those other races, and from that moment on, his fate was sealed. In a familiar pattern, repeated endlessly throughout history all over the world, the establishment of economic relationships with subject peoples led to the granting to them of political rights, which has led to social and finally genetic mixing with them. In a sublime irony, the white man’s will to live, as embodied in the expansion of the technological system, has brought him face to face with his own racial extinction.
19 December, 2009 at 5:26 pm
I would not touch this one.
Imminent death has a wonderful way of focusing the mind— so I am told.
19 December, 2009 at 6:30 pm
From what I heard about the guy, Lee Atwater was a real right-wing jerk. So I doubt the LORD was very impressed with his end-of-life conversion to Christinsanity. Scoundrels like Atwater think they can have it both ways. Live a life of lies, slander and debauchery and then expect God to forgive you when you’re about to die.
“Christians: God-damned No-Character-Having Dummies”
Precisely.
19 December, 2009 at 11:57 pm
“Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose.” John Maynard Keynes
That is the problem- not technology.
20 December, 2009 at 12:52 am
Get it right: Money, esp. high finance and investment banking, IS a technology.
20 December, 2009 at 2:05 am
You’re putting the cart before the horse. The “West’s” logocentrism and its concomitant obsession with “reason”, “technology”, “economics”, “ethics”, “progress” and so forth is itself and can be seen as a symptom of degeneracy.requiring of an explanation,
20 December, 2009 at 4:54 am
Dr. RPO is probably the single greatest writer whose ideas have fleshed out and formed my beliefs, though the genesis of them was something I always had and Oliver was simply the best, most thorough and comprehensive exponent of them.
That said, I am closer to William Pierce’s panentheism than to being a pure atheist, and for me real evil is something quite palpable. It is opposition to the Life Force in and of itself, and is to be expected to be a very real factor. Some SF writers have modeled entropy as evil, and indeed the Extropy movement modeled good as the antithesis of entropy. It is at least a somewhat workable analogy.
The audio text of “C or D” is of a speech which is a summation of the written treatise, itself substantially longer than Oliver’s talk, and if anyone has produced a transcription it would still be an abridgment of that work. The John Birch Society still holds copyright on that work and has seen fit to suppress it. Perhaps someone will put a .pdf of the actual paper up long enough for WNs to put iit on jumpdrive samizdat. It would be most interesting to read RPO’s full work inasmuch as dozens of theists have used this quote as a defense for demonology.
At any rate, I am fully in agreement with Dr. Oliver that for all of the perfidy of Jews, and it is immense, if the Jews were all beamed up by the Starship Hymieprise (Kirkstein and Spockowitz commanding) one fine day we would have only a temporary respite from our problems.
I personally (Oliver never said this or intimated in any real way as much) believe it is the first, best purpose for the White man to go to the stars or die trying. If we don’t we will die anyway. The Jews are a curse, but if we can’t beat them we really are not likely to be much of a success at bigger and more important issues. The Jews have achieved every one of their victories by using our own foibles, faults and flaws against ourselves, and if we do our job right in purifying and strengthening ourselves for the task, the Jews will turn tail and run: indeed, White victory will probably cause them to simply assimilate into whatever other non-White peoples they can and the Jewish race per se will peter out.
20 December, 2009 at 10:40 am
Those of us who believe in justice have no use for “death-bed conversions.”
A true follower of Druidic, Vedic, or other Aryan-based religions would have told this man, “Well, you did pretty bad this time. You were pretty much a son-of-a-bitch. Lots of bad karma. You are going to pay for it, you know.”
And a true follower would have replied, “Damn, man, you are right. I will have to work my way through it. But whatever I get, that is what I deserve. This is a tremendous set-back.”
No sniveling, no chest-beating, no crawling, no blaming the devil, no ego-inflating at being snatched at the last minute from the jaws of hell, no wallowing in guilt (which is really a substitute for compensating others in a manly way for the wrongs you have done to them), no easy-squeezy feminine-soft “salvation” tampon to soak up all the guilt and remorse of a lousy life!
No emotional orgy, just a manning-up.
20 December, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Entropy=egalitarianism=death=destruction=female=jewish.
20 December, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Sri Sreggin Das, can you post a link to, what you consider, a good introduction to the Vedic religion?
20 December, 2009 at 2:55 pm
http://www.teach12.com/ttcx/coursedesclong2.aspx?cid=6312&id=6312&d=Religions+of+the+Axial+Age%3A+An+Approach+to+the+World%27s+Religions&pc=Professor266
Religions of the Axial Age by Professor Mark Muesse
This course is a good intro, Hoosier. The professor does not hesitate to say that the major contributions to the religions of Iran, India, and China were made by Aryans, which is surprising in today’s political climate.
The Hebrews actually included many of the concepts of the Aryan sage, the Persian Zoroaster, in their post-Exile religious concoction.
While the Indo-Persian and Indo-Aryan religions have their own particular problems, they are more philosophical and not gooey with emotional sap.
My Aryan genetics respond more to philosophy and metaphysical concepts than they do to appeals to emotion and debasement before Yahweh.
20 December, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Mr Linder is being a party pooper. Rather than making fun of this conversion of a Republican strategist into a Christian, this technique should be tried next on a Democrat lawyer. It can’t do any harm.
20 December, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Bret Ludwig Says:
I personally (Oliver never said this or intimated in any real way as much) believe it is the first, best purpose for the White man to go to the stars or die trying.
Space is a very hostile environment to organisms evolved on Earth, filled with radiation and random highly energetic projectiles, and vast empty distances chilled to almost 300 degrees below zero. Should something like that happen, it’s unlikely to resemble anything like Star Trek, that’s for sure. To survive the rigors of the trip and the vast distances and time frames involved, one probably would have to upload one’s consciousness into a computer. But in that case, what’s the point? A “human” consciousness in a mechanical body would be human in no sense we would recognize today.
Still, it’s amazing how widespread this notion is, a tribute to the success of television in programming minds, shaping a culture. Star Trek did more to spread the idea of “the stars” as being man’s natural destiny than anything. Jew Gene Roddenberry took a look at all the gullible white suckers out in middle America and wrote the pilot, which he sold to his fellow network Jews as “Wagon Train to the Stars”. The multi-racial, multi-cultural crew, a first for back then, did a lot to condition the white people to accept the Jewish vision of their place in things. “Progress”, you know. Each episode was packed with all kinds of Talmudic goodness.
How did anyone ever find life fulfilling before television? Without Jews telling them what their goals should be, and how they should feel and understand everything? For anyone born before the invention of the Jew-tube, it must have been a very dreary existence indeed, devoid of all purpose.
20 December, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Lucille Ball’s Desilu Studios picked up the Star Trek series almost as an afterthought in 1966. Star Trek was off the air for good by early 1969. So its original impact on TV audiences was small.
But to say that White Man will never get to the stars is defeatist talk. It may never happen, true, but who would’ve thought it possible to fly accross entire oceans in a few hours or have a visual two-way conversation with someone 10,000 miles away just a few centuries ago?
Some of the more independent-minded scientists are starting to question the Great Jew Einstein and his “law” that the speed of light is the universal speed limit. It appears that gravity waves (or whatever gravity is) travel thousands of times faster than light does. If that’s true, then maybe someday it will be possible to harness that energy and use it to fly to other star-systems.
So, you don’t have to move to the Northwest Imperative Quartet Analytical Model to walk among the stars. Just keep breeding more and more generations of White children. In another 400 or 500 years maybe they will walk among the stars. I just hope they don’t bring any Jews or Negroes long, except to leave them stranded on some ice-covered planet with an atomosphere made out of ammonia.
20 December, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Thanks for the information, Sri Sreggin Das, it gives me a starting point. You’re right, he does mention Aryans in the course description.
20 December, 2009 at 10:21 pm
“Jew Gene Roddenberry took a look at all the gullible white suckers out in middle America and wrote the pilot, which he sold to his fellow network Jews as “Wagon Train to the Stars”.”
Gene Roddenberry wasn’t a Jew. He was, however, a sex addict and a devoted practitioner of miscegenation. Star Trek is his fantasy of a whole universe of voluptuous females of every color eagerly copulating with the great white hunter.
Like every other TV show it was, of course, produced and the whole production heavily staffed by Jews.
21 December, 2009 at 3:31 am
{Gene Roddenberry wasn’t a Jew. He was, however, a sex addict and a devoted practitioner of miscegenation.}
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Roddenberry’s wife was the actress who played Nurse Chapel on Star Trek. She would’ve been enough for me.
21 December, 2009 at 3:32 am
{Gene Roddenberry wasn’t a Jew. He was, however, a sex addict and a devoted practitioner of miscegenation.}
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Roddenberry’s wife was the actress who played Nurse Chapel on Star Trek. She would’ve been enough for me, Gene.
21 December, 2009 at 3:46 am
CyranoJones Says:
Gene Roddenberry wasn’t a Jew.
http://dietrichthrall.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/majel-and-gene-roddenberry.jpg
Yep. He was a Joo. As I recall, his kids with the shiksa were bar-mitzvah’ed, too.
21 December, 2009 at 5:20 am
Gene Roddenberry, who I must confess to find some virtue in despite his manifold flaws, was not a Jew, not halachically, not culturally, and not biologically. He was the son of a churchman and like L Ron Hubbard had had some interesting real life experiences, though unlike that mountebank Roddenberry was a success at most of them.
He was a very promiscuous and sex obsessed man, two things that are not synonymous. Many people obsessed with sex have little or none of it themselves and many people who copulate constantly devote little or no thought to it beyond the actual act itself. For women this is easy, they merely need to be sluts. But in various times and places there have been men who because of circumstance had no trouble getting all the willing female partners they could handle, and more. Great wealth or cinematic or pop music notoriety is an obvious such situation, and those with exceptionally big penises can always line up the local size queens. For Roddenberry, sex was a matter of the previously forbidden, and also a matter of the sensation. Put bluntly, he liked to fuck.
For all its vicious nonsense Star Trek has been a huge success with a mostly White audience-few blacks or mestizos pay it much notice-because it speaks to White racial destiny even as it snubs White racial consciousness. The biggest single question Star Trek should evoke in WNs is this: Where would we be if WE did media this well?
As far as space being a most hostile place, yes, but the end goal is to find other places in it like ours, or even better, and colonize them. There are almost certainly many, many other Earthlike worlds out there. And the fact that we don’t know whether or not there are is one reason why we (not blacks,mestizos, indios, or even orientals) need to go there. It speaks to our racial soul, to use an awkward term.
21 December, 2009 at 5:31 am
Majel Barrett was a choice piece in her youth, her facial structure is very Monroesque, as is her figure, although she’s a little stouter. She was no great actress, but she was a decent woman who conducted herself with dignity. I had the chance to spend a little time with her having been involved in SF conventions and found her to be quite intelligent. Of course she was essentially Politically Correct, but I was not racially conscious then either.
21 December, 2009 at 8:40 am
Hoosier, you can buy this course on sale for about $39 at various times of the year.
I bought mine (used) at Amazon for about $30.
21 December, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Good, that beats $69.95.
21 December, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Like I’ve said before, I can’t stand science fiction. But I would LOVE to see Whites one day conquer space, exploring, learning all we can about the universe we live in! I believe it to be our destiny, after clearing first the North American continent and then the world of jews and other sub-humans.
21 December, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Bret Ludwig Says:
Gene Roddenberry, who I must confess to find some virtue in despite his manifold flaws, was not a Jew, not halachically, not culturally, and not biologically. He was the son of a churchman …
I researched this question some time ago, and came away convinced he was a Jew. He certainly looks like one, and he acted like one. I also have it from what in my estimation is a reliable source that his children were bar-mitzvahed. If you have any evidence for what you say, let’s see it. It’s possible he or she might have been converts. Genetic testing would be the only way to conclusively reveal the truth about their biological Jewishness.
As far as space being a most hostile place, yes, but the end goal is to find other places in it like ours, or even better, and colonize them. There are almost certainly many, many other Earthlike worlds out there. And the fact that we don’t know whether or not there are is one reason why we (not blacks,mestizos, indios, or even orientals) need to go there. It speaks to our racial soul, to use an awkward term.
Exploration might be possible using robots and uploaded “human” consciousness, although it’s hard to believe that improvements over ordinary human consciouness would not be necessary, rendering whatever “human-ness” that remained extremely questionable. In effect, it would just be exploration by robots. It would have nothing to do with some supposed human destiny. More like an expensive waste of time. Other scenarios involving Star Trek-like space ships zooming (whoosh! LOL.) through interstellar distances like naval vessels on the sea strike me as essentially ridiculous, and as I say, proof that the proponents of this idea were very much influenced by Star Trek. Your own remarks here show this as much as anything.
21 December, 2009 at 6:39 pm
To expand a little and clarify: The technological system always aims at increasing efficiency. That is at the heart of all improvements in technique, and why they are improvements at all. If a technological innovation is not a more efficient means of attaining an end, then it is rejected. But a logical consequence of this, and something we see every day all around us and all throughout history, is that man must therefore always be adapted to this requirement of the technological system, not the other way around. Humans don’t change the technological system to serve themselves. The system changes humans to adapt to it. For example, owing to considerations of efficiency, most people since the Industrial Revolution are forced to report to a workplace, and spend much of their lives involved in boring, repetitive tasks mandated by the requirements of the system. Humans had to be adapted, at considersable social cost, to this requirement of the system. Their efforts keep The Machine running. Even things that are superficially opposed to this — ergonomic design, for example — still aim at increasing overall efficiency. Even when they occur, it’s quite clear that such concessions on the part of the system are only temporary, and that the goal is to dispense with the need for humans altogether where possible, and to “improve” them to meet the requirements of the system where it’s not. And that is precisely why, in the long term, the technological system poses a greater threat to the existence of the white race than even the Jews. It is not an exaggeration to say that one day, and probably within this century, the first steps will be taken to genetically re-engineer humans on a large scale to better adapt them to the requirements of the technological system. We can predict with confidence that this will be done to increase the efficiency of the system. When it happens, it may not be put in just those terms, but that’s what the rationale will boil down to. In such an environment race, a biological concept descriptive of naturally occurring differences within a species, will lose its validity for humans, since they will cease to be natural organisms themselves. At that point, the white race — or any other naturally occurring race — will for all practical purposes cease to exist.
Because the technological system always aims at gains in efficiency, Star Trek scenarios of space exploration are very unlikely. That sort of technique simply wouldn’t be efficient. No end would be served except flattering man’s vanity.
21 December, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Adam is like a Jew who supports Zionism but refuses to move to Israel.
21 December, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Imminent death has a wonderful way of focusing the mind— so I am told.
Only if you’re healthy when death is near. Far more people fade into death by degrees.
22 December, 2009 at 4:06 am
A Jew, jewishly, is someone born of a Jewish mother who has not willfully adopted another religion, or someone who has converted. There is nothing in either of Roddenberry’s parents’ known history that indicates they were Jews. He did not consider himself a Jew, and to me he doesn’t look especially Jewish, though a lot of Jews don’t. Out East, you see guys that could as easily be Greeks, Italians, upper end PRs or Jews.
I agree there was a lot wrong with Roddenberry, but that’s different than saying he was a Jew.
Calling someone a Jew without good proof is repugnant to me.
Were there jewy aspects to his behavior? Yes, and a lot of non-Jewish ones too. Anyone in showbiz is immersed in a Jewish miasma, and jewiness is normalcy in that environment. Very few 100% Gentile actors, directors or writers in that zoo don’t wind up jewy to one degree or another.
Also, I agree that a lot of the characteristics of “spaceflight” in almost all science fiction films and television are totally bogus. Spacecraft do not move like ships, aircraft or submarines. There is no reason for them to have any of the popular shapes associated with them. The problems of physics and biology inherent with any of the various evolutions almost any SF space vehicles and operations do are totally ignored for several reasons.
That’s all quite beside the point. Good SF works because it is good fiction, and no more. It’s also fiction freed of many of the limitations of the real world and so allows writers to explore concepts with ease that in reality are very difficult to deal with.
SF is a White phenomenon. While some other societies have their variations of it, those always lack important elements true SF has.
Here are some interesting observations from a non-Trek-fan and opponent of fictional spaceflight:
http://www.mkinsler.com/?page=09
http://www.mkinsler.com/?page=07
A Bibliography of Technology
To his objections I would add, “As far as we know….”
The fact is we are a very primitive species indeed, and we, the White people of earth, are far and away the high point of development of which we have solid proof. But as Pierce points out, we are ourselves an evolutionary step. We are not the end result.
22 December, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Bret Ludwig Says:
Calling someone a Jew without good proof is repugnant to me.
Having one’s children bar-mitzvahed is pretty good proof, if you ask me.
Were there jewy aspects to his behavior? Yes, and a lot of non-Jewish ones too.
Such as what? You forgot to mention any.
22 December, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Leonard Nimoy on Jewish themes in Star Trek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1d83XOORP0
26 December, 2009 at 3:56 am
Do you have any citations for the bar and bat mitzvahs of the Roddenberry children?
I’m well aware of the Jewy connections of ‘Star Trek’. The first good book on the subject of Trekkies was written by three Jewesses, and they wrote a lot about Shatner and Nimoy’s Jewishness (Shatner was not raised very Jewish, but Nimoy very certainly was). They also wrote a lot about Ayn Rand and Objectivism (a Jewish meme) and its connections with Star Trek.
That said….the writers who did the scripts were not Jews, and the essential thrust of the show was, in my opinion, not Jewish. There were several examples of Jewish party line thinking in various episodes, but it was not a dominant theme.
Growing up is learning that your heroes had feet of clay. There is a lot wrong with Star Trek. Really, it’s an otiose discussion at this point because the franchise really is at the end of its long career about now. Or at least I think it is….but that’s what everyone said 40 years ago.
26 December, 2009 at 4:59 am
Bret Ludwig Says:
Do you have any citations for the bar and bat mitzvahs of the Roddenberry children?
Nope. I researched him a couple of months back when Majel Barrett died and ran across that bit of info, but didn’t keep the link. Seemed convincing at the time though, since it was from a source that appeared to know Barrett and the rabbi in question.
That said….the writers who did the scripts were not Jews,
That’s not true at all. Jew Robert Bloch wrote three scripts for Star Trek, and looking at this list and judging just from the names, I’m sure there are others. Do your own research if you don’t believe it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek_script_writers
and the essential thrust of the show was, in my opinion, not Jewish. There were several examples of Jewish party line thinking in various episodes, but it was not a dominant theme.
That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it, but I strongly disagree. I find the show deeply Jewish on many levels. Virtually every show had a politically correct theme, accentuated by obnoxiously politically correct casting, from the racially balanced crew to the phony white men Shatner and Nimoy. These Jewish impostures continued unabated in spin-off shows and movies.
In my view, Star Trek did an enormous amount to push the Jewish vision of miscegenation, multi-culturalism, and a multi-racial future for America. It was probably the most masterful and effective brainwashing of the Civil Rights Era for the goobers out in flyover country that the Jews despised, and still despise. Star Trek was a way to sell them on an artificial reality that they hoped to bring to pass in the real world, it must be admitted that they were successful. The goobers took the bait hook, line, and sinker!
26 December, 2009 at 4:03 pm
There was a scene in one episode of Star Trek where Capt. Kirk and Lt. Uhura did some spit-swapping. That was the first time on American network TV that a “White” actor and a Black had a kissing scene, I believe. Still, I never thought about Star Trek being Jewish. But I suppose it was, although not in a typically overt and obnoxious way. I think M*A*S*H, Maude and All in the Family were much Jewier. But Sesame Street takes the kosher cake for being the Jewiest TV show of all time.
STAR TREK-Jewy
MAUDE-Jewier
SESAME STREET-Jewiest