How you people could insult Elie Weisel, a recipient of the Nobel Prize for Peace, a soft-spoken gentleman who has worked tirelessly to end bigotry and ignorance, is beyond me. He lost his entire family in the Shoah. Do you all think that’s funny? And he helped to establish a Homeland for the Jewish People when the whole world was against us. You can give me all the thumbs down you want, but that doesn’t change the fact that Elie Wiesel is a great humanitarian.
No assault could have made Elie Wiesel winner of the Noble Peace Prize become violent. But being swindled out of over 20 million dollars By Bernie Madoff changed his Pacifism. He could have chopped the balls off of Bernie Madoff. Elie was so hurt that he discontinued helping his brethren and might now be an Anti-Semite.
Funny, no i don’t think it’s funny what you jews have done
to the White People(HUMANS)of this world.
You see some day we White People will wake up it’s just
a matter of time and this is a jews greatest fear to know
they have been discovred.
You know Uncle Adolf was right .
This is somthing a jew fears the most.
You jews wanted it now deal with it.
Funny, do you think it’s funny now?
a soft-spoken gentleman who has worked tirelessly to end bigotry and ignorance
Wiesel is spreading atrocity propaganda and promoting hate. Nothing else. There’s nothing noble about it.
He lost his entire family in the Shoah
As far as I know he has sisters who survived the war. Please correct me if I’m wrong. And other people from other ethnic groups lost familiy members during the war as well. So what? The only difference is that other ethnic groups don’t have trade names like shoah or holocaust for their tragedies.
Do you all think that’s funny?
Who said that it’s funny? The thing is, what happened to Wiesel is no justification to spread lies and sick atrocity propaganda (and that’s what it is) 66 years after the war is over. How much hate has this man in his heart?
And he helped to establish a Homeland for the Jewish People
And why doesn’t he live there? And why do I have this feeling, that you don’t live there? How come that most Jews seemingly don’t want to live in their “homeland”? Could it be, that those evil antisemites, who believe that Jews are born parasites, are right?
when the whole world was against us.
Well, the Germans at that time were desperately trying to find a new homeland for your brethren. Coincidentally most of your fellow Jews in the US, Britain and France were doing everything they could to sabotage these efforts. I think that is funny.
but that doesn’t change the fact that Elie Wiesel is a great humanitarian
You think that spreading atrocity propaganda and promoting hate is all right for “great humanitarians”?
I’d like to point out that Barry Sotero, the African born bisexual communist dictator of the USA, also won the Nobel Peace Prize. The members of the Nobel Prize committee have their heads up their asses. Unfortunately most of them are not Jews but rather effete White globalist pansies.
Weisel is just a shabby old con-artist. I love that poker face he puts on in front of audiences. It comes right off when the audience leaves, just like the Jew Henry Kissenger’s thick German accent suddenly disappears when there are no cameras or microphones around. Bullshitting the public for tens of thousands of dollars per speaking engagement is not exactly what I’d call an honest way to make a living. But it is a Jewish way to make a living.
Marc Rappaport,its about time you do some research instead of relying on myths and lies.Go to http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com for a refreshing course in the truth.You’ll see video evidence that Wiesel HAS NO TATTOO ON HIS LEFT FOREARM.A Jewish survivor has found that Wiesel SPEAKS NO HUNGARIAN,his socalled mother language.He seems to have stolen the identity of another.Many of his stories simply don’t add up,in short the man is a SWINDLER.Simon Wiesenthal has been exposed as a liar (by another Jew),the Diary of Anne Frank has been exposed as a fraud too,so all three of your ICONS of the “holocaust” prove to be frauds.Can you Jews only produce swindlers?Apparently so.
Elie the weasel is really just a small time con man that was in the right place at the right time to collect his millions from The Greatest Shoah on earth. He doesn’t deserve the Nobel Peace Prize or a dinner either.
My selection for the next Nobel Peace Prize winner should be, none other than, Ariel Sharon. Stand up Ariel, oh I forgot, he’s in a permanent vegetative state since suffering a stroke on 4 January 2006. Anyway, one night I was channel surfing and I came upon the Reverend Jerry Falwell singing the praises of our good friend I$rahell l, which he did a lot, and while he was kissing their ass he made the statement that he believed that “Ariel Sharon was a man of Peace.” I think that was just after I$rahell gave Jerry that Lear Jet, but I can’t be sure of the timing. Anyway, that should settle it, Ariel Sharon, the man directly responsible for the massacre by Lebanese militias of Palestinian civilians in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila is justly deserving of the Prize because Jerry Falwell says he is a man of Peace and Jerry wouldn’t lie, wink,wink.
Few have shed more tears than Elie Wiesel, his compassion for Jewish suffering inspired him to write 57 books. Some call him a professional crier and slick fund raiser, but others claim he is a second Jesus or Mother Teresa.
morris wise is old enough to “Find Waldo,” so let’s see if he/she can find Elie WEASEL’s camp tattoo. Careful…he may be able to scribble one on during a cut scene… WAIT!!! I see Anne Frank coming to help, carrying the same ball-point pen her “diary” was written with. lmfao
Wise and Rappaport are playing with you fools, and you all get suckered in, right on cue. They (or him?) set the agenda. You all scurry to comment and rebut at the lift of the baton. Even the board administrators and moderators set the Jewish agenda by continuing to bring to the fore Jew news, thus maintaining Jewish relevancy.
This is a board for the Jew-obsessed. We can’t get them off our brains. We are devoted to and enthralled with them. They dominate our time, our speech, our rhetoric. Talk of them first, then whatever is left is for ourselves and our people. Why talk much of anything else? We got Jews to talk about, you see, and if we can talk about Jews, why would you even want to entertain anything but?
“……and as the old expression goes, “any knock is a boost” meaning that as long as they’re talking about you, you’re relevant.
It’s time to make these nitwits irrelevant.”
—-From a board posting I came across earlier today…from a financial board not obsessed with Jews, which clearly means not from VNN.
I’ll try posting my comment here that was filtered out from the thread ‘What We Can Do’ Pierce ADV article.
torrence Says:
August 25th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Great title to this ADV broadcast…..It draws us inward both personally and communally to realize that constructive efforts among our folk…..not destructive efforts toward other folk is ultimately the game changer.
National Socialism is build from the ground up and from the center out by builders who are its future inhabitants and beneficiaries. Our focus should be ourselves with less time spent on Jews, Blacks, Muslims or others not part of the building program. So……….get with the program.
I hope to later read the article and comment. Fine topic.
I’ll try posting here my second post blocked from the new ADV broadcast thread ‘What We can Do’.
torrence Says:
August 25th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
A National Socialist community is built from the ground up and center out by its future inhabitants and beneficiaries. That is constructive work – the only work that should interest us, not the destructive work aimed at folkish groups not of our own, such as Jews, Blacks, Muslims. We should view our efforts as a grand building program for European Folk and Culture – NOT a demolition job on others.
I’d like to see more liberals and Jews post their two cents on this site. But the problem is they don’t have any guts to argue with their opponents. It doesn’t require any “guts” to post something here, of course, but the anti-White crowd won’t even do that much. They must think that by ignoring the opposition it will just go away. Sorry, you anti-White Bolsheviki, but I’m afraid it won’t.
cut the crap, torrence. Or are you one of those that believes it isn’t ‘good for the cause’ to expose the lies. Maintaining jewish relevancy ? how’s the weather on Neptune?
Torrence, I’m not sure where you’re coming from. Are we really “Jew obsessed”? I’m sure most of us have normal lives and do not go around thinking and talking about Jews all day. The Jews like to flatter themselves by believing that we do.
But it’s not just the Jew who is giving us so much grief. There are plenty of White race-traitors who are only too happy to do the Jews’ bidding. Need I even mention their names? The super-wealthy, the multi-billion dollar international corporations and the global elite are also to blame for our misfortune. And most of those bloodsuckers are not Jews, though a disproportional number are.
Our biggest enemy are the masses of indifferent, apathetic and cowardly Whites who will never do anything. If just 100,000 of them got together and marched down to the Mexican border or into those Wall Street firms or towards the US Capitol building, things would change in a hurry. But of course that won’t happen and the System knows it.
We should stay “obsessed” with Jews as long as the Jews stay “obsessed” with us.And that’s no rhetoric.Jews are working day and night to rob us economically,oppress us politically and demoralize us culturally.They do it as a group and they do it continuously.It is no paranoia to worry about a REAL danger.
“And he helped to establish a Homeland for the Jewish People
And why doesn’t he live there? And why do I have this feeling, that you don’t live there? How come that most Jews seemingly don’t want to live in their “homeland”? Could it be, that those evil antisemites, who believe that Jews are born parasites, are right?”
THE ONLY JEWISH HOMELAND SHOULD BE AN ACTUAL GAS CHAMBER INSIDE OF AUSCHWITZ
The problem is that the only gas chambers at the Auschwitz recreation camp were the small disinfectant rooms used to de-louse camp laundry. It would probably take a few days to gas a couple of Jews to death in those disinfectant rooms, which were the size of walk-in closets. The Jews would probably suffocate to death first before the Zyklon B gas could finish them off. Hardly what I’d call an efficient form of “mass extermination”.
I once got into an argument with a rabbi on his radio show about the question of why the Jews don’t all move to their “homeland” in Palestine. His predictable Jew response was to ask “Why don’t you all you Nazis move to Germany?” Arguing with a Jew is pointless, but I thought I’d give it a shot anyway.
A quote from Wiesel:
“…somewhere in his heart every Jew should keep a virile hatred for everything German and the Germans..”
(I quote from memory).
Wiesenthal, another, virtue monger, suggests in 1969 in an interview that to kill German unborn children in the womb will prevent them from being born to become Jew killers. (He was at the forefront for abolishing the prohibition of abortion in Germany, enacted in 1973)
Willi Brandt, former chancellor of the Western occupation zone of Germany, is of the opinion that ” a lot of unworthy Nazi lifes will have to be extinguished…” Brandt’s real name was Hermann Frahm, a Jew who absconced from Germany to Norway after stabbing to death an SA-man in the back. He fled of course from Nazi persecution…
These three examples of Jewish “virtue” came to mind spontaneously and represent the general mind-set and character of this race:
Hypocrisy
A natural brutality
A heart filled to the brim with hatred
Lying
The criticism that ‘we’ are overly concerned with jews and their activities is well founded, we really need to focus more effort on exposing White race-traitors, corrupt politicians and assorted religious con artists.
Having said that, the intensity and extended nature of jew malevolence against us is really quite astounding and MUST be presented to counter the widespread fraud that jews are harmless inoffensive people.
I forgot to tell in the post above that Willi Brandt, the former chancellor of the Western occupation zone of Germany, was not only a murderer who distorted the fact that he was wanted for murder in Germany into a tale of persecution (as a “Jew and Communist”), but also a Nobel Peace Price Winner, just as Wiesel was (or Kissinger).
Brandt’s real name was Hermann Frahm, a Jew who absconced from Germany to Norway after stabbing to death an SA-man in the back. He fled of course from Nazi persecution…
1. His real name was Herbert Frahm, not Hermann Frahm.
2. I’ve never seen anyone claiming that he was a Jew. Do you have a single source for this allegation, and that he killed an SA-man?
Tron:
Give me a few days, have to find the source that he was a Jew from Lübeck.
There was an amazing number of Jews in post-war Germany in high places, even in the 50s and it is no different now. It is a subject that deserves attention, as even during the war Jews were working in Germany without being bothered. This comes to light every so often, when one of them dies, for example, few years ago the actress Inge Meysel of the Ohnesorg-Theater in Hamburg died and there it turned out that she was a Jewess, working on the stage during all of the war. One Atze Brauner, a Polish Jew, wrote also in an article a few years ago how he was strolling down the Kurfürstendamm in Berlin during the war (a Wikipedia article I just looked up says only that he fled to the Soviet Union during the war- but I clearly remember that interview where he said to have strolled down that Berlin boulevard during the war).
You are correct about the Herbert. It wasn’t Hermann.
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24 August, 2011 at 5:10 pm
How you people could insult Elie Weisel, a recipient of the Nobel Prize for Peace, a soft-spoken gentleman who has worked tirelessly to end bigotry and ignorance, is beyond me. He lost his entire family in the Shoah. Do you all think that’s funny? And he helped to establish a Homeland for the Jewish People when the whole world was against us. You can give me all the thumbs down you want, but that doesn’t change the fact that Elie Wiesel is a great humanitarian.
24 August, 2011 at 5:28 pm
No assault could have made Elie Wiesel winner of the Noble Peace Prize become violent. But being swindled out of over 20 million dollars By Bernie Madoff changed his Pacifism. He could have chopped the balls off of Bernie Madoff. Elie was so hurt that he discontinued helping his brethren and might now be an Anti-Semite.
24 August, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Funny, no i don’t think it’s funny what you jews have done
to the White People(HUMANS)of this world.
You see some day we White People will wake up it’s just
a matter of time and this is a jews greatest fear to know
they have been discovred.
You know Uncle Adolf was right .
This is somthing a jew fears the most.
You jews wanted it now deal with it.
Funny, do you think it’s funny now?
24 August, 2011 at 9:27 pm
@Marc Rappaport:
Wiesel is spreading atrocity propaganda and promoting hate. Nothing else. There’s nothing noble about it.
As far as I know he has sisters who survived the war. Please correct me if I’m wrong. And other people from other ethnic groups lost familiy members during the war as well. So what? The only difference is that other ethnic groups don’t have trade names like shoah or holocaust for their tragedies.
Who said that it’s funny? The thing is, what happened to Wiesel is no justification to spread lies and sick atrocity propaganda (and that’s what it is) 66 years after the war is over. How much hate has this man in his heart?
And why doesn’t he live there? And why do I have this feeling, that you don’t live there? How come that most Jews seemingly don’t want to live in their “homeland”? Could it be, that those evil antisemites, who believe that Jews are born parasites, are right?
Well, the Germans at that time were desperately trying to find a new homeland for your brethren. Coincidentally most of your fellow Jews in the US, Britain and France were doing everything they could to sabotage these efforts. I think that is funny.
You think that spreading atrocity propaganda and promoting hate is all right for “great humanitarians”?
24 August, 2011 at 9:59 pm
Well, looky here yet another holocaust story falls apart. http://news.yahoo.com/torah-charity-founder-accused-fraud-over-lost-scrolls-194642386.html
24 August, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Oy yoy yoy! I survived even de kemps daht vazn’t eben built yet! It’s a complete Hoilihoix!
http://tinyurl.com/nedujniloiv
25 August, 2011 at 12:22 am
I’d like to point out that Barry Sotero, the African born bisexual communist dictator of the USA, also won the Nobel Peace Prize. The members of the Nobel Prize committee have their heads up their asses. Unfortunately most of them are not Jews but rather effete White globalist pansies.
Weisel is just a shabby old con-artist. I love that poker face he puts on in front of audiences. It comes right off when the audience leaves, just like the Jew Henry Kissenger’s thick German accent suddenly disappears when there are no cameras or microphones around. Bullshitting the public for tens of thousands of dollars per speaking engagement is not exactly what I’d call an honest way to make a living. But it is a Jewish way to make a living.
25 August, 2011 at 5:39 am
Marc Rappaport,its about time you do some research instead of relying on myths and lies.Go to http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com for a refreshing course in the truth.You’ll see video evidence that Wiesel HAS NO TATTOO ON HIS LEFT FOREARM.A Jewish survivor has found that Wiesel SPEAKS NO HUNGARIAN,his socalled mother language.He seems to have stolen the identity of another.Many of his stories simply don’t add up,in short the man is a SWINDLER.Simon Wiesenthal has been exposed as a liar (by another Jew),the Diary of Anne Frank has been exposed as a fraud too,so all three of your ICONS of the “holocaust” prove to be frauds.Can you Jews only produce swindlers?Apparently so.
25 August, 2011 at 5:57 am
Elie the weasel is really just a small time con man that was in the right place at the right time to collect his millions from The Greatest Shoah on earth. He doesn’t deserve the Nobel Peace Prize or a dinner either.
My selection for the next Nobel Peace Prize winner should be, none other than, Ariel Sharon. Stand up Ariel, oh I forgot, he’s in a permanent vegetative state since suffering a stroke on 4 January 2006. Anyway, one night I was channel surfing and I came upon the Reverend Jerry Falwell singing the praises of our good friend I$rahell l, which he did a lot, and while he was kissing their ass he made the statement that he believed that “Ariel Sharon was a man of Peace.” I think that was just after I$rahell gave Jerry that Lear Jet, but I can’t be sure of the timing. Anyway, that should settle it, Ariel Sharon, the man directly responsible for the massacre by Lebanese militias of Palestinian civilians in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila is justly deserving of the Prize because Jerry Falwell says he is a man of Peace and Jerry wouldn’t lie, wink,wink.
25 August, 2011 at 9:21 am
Few have shed more tears than Elie Wiesel, his compassion for Jewish suffering inspired him to write 57 books. Some call him a professional crier and slick fund raiser, but others claim he is a second Jesus or Mother Teresa.
25 August, 2011 at 11:09 am
morris wise is old enough to “Find Waldo,” so let’s see if he/she can find Elie WEASEL’s camp tattoo. Careful…he may be able to scribble one on during a cut scene… WAIT!!! I see Anne Frank coming to help, carrying the same ball-point pen her “diary” was written with. lmfao
25 August, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Wise and Rappaport are playing with you fools, and you all get suckered in, right on cue. They (or him?) set the agenda. You all scurry to comment and rebut at the lift of the baton. Even the board administrators and moderators set the Jewish agenda by continuing to bring to the fore Jew news, thus maintaining Jewish relevancy.
This is a board for the Jew-obsessed. We can’t get them off our brains. We are devoted to and enthralled with them. They dominate our time, our speech, our rhetoric. Talk of them first, then whatever is left is for ourselves and our people. Why talk much of anything else? We got Jews to talk about, you see, and if we can talk about Jews, why would you even want to entertain anything but?
“……and as the old expression goes, “any knock is a boost” meaning that as long as they’re talking about you, you’re relevant.
It’s time to make these nitwits irrelevant.”
—-From a board posting I came across earlier today…from a financial board not obsessed with Jews, which clearly means not from VNN.
25 August, 2011 at 12:33 pm
I’ll try posting my comment here that was filtered out from the thread ‘What We Can Do’ Pierce ADV article.
torrence Says:
August 25th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Great title to this ADV broadcast…..It draws us inward both personally and communally to realize that constructive efforts among our folk…..not destructive efforts toward other folk is ultimately the game changer.
National Socialism is build from the ground up and from the center out by builders who are its future inhabitants and beneficiaries. Our focus should be ourselves with less time spent on Jews, Blacks, Muslims or others not part of the building program. So……….get with the program.
I hope to later read the article and comment. Fine topic.
25 August, 2011 at 1:36 pm
I’ll try posting here my second post blocked from the new ADV broadcast thread ‘What We can Do’.
torrence Says:
August 25th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
A National Socialist community is built from the ground up and center out by its future inhabitants and beneficiaries. That is constructive work – the only work that should interest us, not the destructive work aimed at folkish groups not of our own, such as Jews, Blacks, Muslims. We should view our efforts as a grand building program for European Folk and Culture – NOT a demolition job on others.
So….GET ON BOARD WITH THE PROGRAM.
25 August, 2011 at 2:18 pm
I’d like to see more liberals and Jews post their two cents on this site. But the problem is they don’t have any guts to argue with their opponents. It doesn’t require any “guts” to post something here, of course, but the anti-White crowd won’t even do that much. They must think that by ignoring the opposition it will just go away. Sorry, you anti-White Bolsheviki, but I’m afraid it won’t.
25 August, 2011 at 2:31 pm
cut the crap, torrence. Or are you one of those that believes it isn’t ‘good for the cause’ to expose the lies. Maintaining jewish relevancy ? how’s the weather on Neptune?
26 August, 2011 at 12:18 am
Torrence, I’m not sure where you’re coming from. Are we really “Jew obsessed”? I’m sure most of us have normal lives and do not go around thinking and talking about Jews all day. The Jews like to flatter themselves by believing that we do.
But it’s not just the Jew who is giving us so much grief. There are plenty of White race-traitors who are only too happy to do the Jews’ bidding. Need I even mention their names? The super-wealthy, the multi-billion dollar international corporations and the global elite are also to blame for our misfortune. And most of those bloodsuckers are not Jews, though a disproportional number are.
Our biggest enemy are the masses of indifferent, apathetic and cowardly Whites who will never do anything. If just 100,000 of them got together and marched down to the Mexican border or into those Wall Street firms or towards the US Capitol building, things would change in a hurry. But of course that won’t happen and the System knows it.
26 August, 2011 at 4:25 am
We should stay “obsessed” with Jews as long as the Jews stay “obsessed” with us.And that’s no rhetoric.Jews are working day and night to rob us economically,oppress us politically and demoralize us culturally.They do it as a group and they do it continuously.It is no paranoia to worry about a REAL danger.
26 August, 2011 at 8:06 am
“And he helped to establish a Homeland for the Jewish People
And why doesn’t he live there? And why do I have this feeling, that you don’t live there? How come that most Jews seemingly don’t want to live in their “homeland”? Could it be, that those evil antisemites, who believe that Jews are born parasites, are right?”
THE ONLY JEWISH HOMELAND SHOULD BE AN ACTUAL GAS CHAMBER INSIDE OF AUSCHWITZ
26 August, 2011 at 8:59 am
The problem is that the only gas chambers at the Auschwitz recreation camp were the small disinfectant rooms used to de-louse camp laundry. It would probably take a few days to gas a couple of Jews to death in those disinfectant rooms, which were the size of walk-in closets. The Jews would probably suffocate to death first before the Zyklon B gas could finish them off. Hardly what I’d call an efficient form of “mass extermination”.
I once got into an argument with a rabbi on his radio show about the question of why the Jews don’t all move to their “homeland” in Palestine. His predictable Jew response was to ask “Why don’t you all you Nazis move to Germany?” Arguing with a Jew is pointless, but I thought I’d give it a shot anyway.
26 August, 2011 at 12:48 pm
A quote from Wiesel:
“…somewhere in his heart every Jew should keep a virile hatred for everything German and the Germans..”
(I quote from memory).
Wiesenthal, another, virtue monger, suggests in 1969 in an interview that to kill German unborn children in the womb will prevent them from being born to become Jew killers. (He was at the forefront for abolishing the prohibition of abortion in Germany, enacted in 1973)
Willi Brandt, former chancellor of the Western occupation zone of Germany, is of the opinion that ” a lot of unworthy Nazi lifes will have to be extinguished…” Brandt’s real name was Hermann Frahm, a Jew who absconced from Germany to Norway after stabbing to death an SA-man in the back. He fled of course from Nazi persecution…
These three examples of Jewish “virtue” came to mind spontaneously and represent the general mind-set and character of this race:
Hypocrisy
A natural brutality
A heart filled to the brim with hatred
Lying
May the Day come soon!
27 August, 2011 at 5:30 am
The criticism that ‘we’ are overly concerned with jews and their activities is well founded, we really need to focus more effort on exposing White race-traitors, corrupt politicians and assorted religious con artists.
Having said that, the intensity and extended nature of jew malevolence against us is really quite astounding and MUST be presented to counter the widespread fraud that jews are harmless inoffensive people.
27 August, 2011 at 1:45 pm
I forgot to tell in the post above that Willi Brandt, the former chancellor of the Western occupation zone of Germany, was not only a murderer who distorted the fact that he was wanted for murder in Germany into a tale of persecution (as a “Jew and Communist”), but also a Nobel Peace Price Winner, just as Wiesel was (or Kissinger).
27 August, 2011 at 5:49 pm
@Walter:
1. His real name was Herbert Frahm, not Hermann Frahm.
2. I’ve never seen anyone claiming that he was a Jew. Do you have a single source for this allegation, and that he killed an SA-man?
27 August, 2011 at 11:19 pm
Tron:
Give me a few days, have to find the source that he was a Jew from Lübeck.
There was an amazing number of Jews in post-war Germany in high places, even in the 50s and it is no different now. It is a subject that deserves attention, as even during the war Jews were working in Germany without being bothered. This comes to light every so often, when one of them dies, for example, few years ago the actress Inge Meysel of the Ohnesorg-Theater in Hamburg died and there it turned out that she was a Jewess, working on the stage during all of the war. One Atze Brauner, a Polish Jew, wrote also in an article a few years ago how he was strolling down the Kurfürstendamm in Berlin during the war (a Wikipedia article I just looked up says only that he fled to the Soviet Union during the war- but I clearly remember that interview where he said to have strolled down that Berlin boulevard during the war).
You are correct about the Herbert. It wasn’t Hermann.