The only evidence ever offered the public was the alleged cell phone calls from passengers on one flight. Even the website offered by our premier "debunker" admits that some of them were fake.

No, see, this is where you're lying. That debunker didn't "admit" they were fake, nor did he think they were fake. Why lie, Momus? In an attempt at even handedness he pointed to something like two or three that could be considered questionable.

Why lie, Momus...?

Now if ya really pull back and think that one important question, 'how did this happen?" The only way I think it could of happened is if our government was in on it somehow. They are the only ones with the power to pull back defenses to allow this to happen.

You have fallen for the illiusion of omniscient power that the government tries to inculcate in its citizens. In reality the government is weak and the centers of power vulnerable. The FBI, CIA and other security agencies are full of lawyers, accountants, beaurocrats, bored civil servants and empty-suit yes men. Air traffic control is bleary-eyed middle-aged men drinking coffee all day. Airport security is a nigger looking to steal something from your luggage. Even the vaunted US military machine is composed of bored young men waiting for orders from above. When something unexpected happens, everyone sits around waiting to be told what to do. No, the lesson of 9/11 isn't the genius of the magical jew who secretly seeds crowded building with invisible bombs - it's the reality of the weak jew who is just standing around waiting for a punch to his gut.

Hate Dept,

What I was expecting on that very day was for the flight controller who first noticed something wrong to appear on CSPAN, or, FOX news, or CNN, or some venue with a wide audience. He could play back the tape that was recorded and tell the whole word (who would likely ALL be listening) just what was going on IN HIS OWN WORDS. What would be wrong with that? Didn't happen!

Now, again, what makes anyone of us out here "not in the know" think the MISSING AIRPLANES were hijacked? Maybe the were, maybe something else - how can we know and why should we pay attention the THEM when they obviously didn't want to let us in on the PRIMARY EVIDENCE - the flight controller(s) tape recording of the event.

How many of the missing planes were identified later in thier respective supposed crash sites? I heard a report that the one that crashed in Pennsylvania was identified by an engine part - but what about the other 3? Did any heavy duty part (like an engine rotor shart, or a landing gear shaft) ever get identified anywhere? To me, not dumb questions at all - I consider them to be FUNDAMENTAL questions.

Side note: I once purchased an 8 foot round of 8" steel (4020), for about 14 cents per pound (about 1200 lbs.).
The salvage yard operator told me that it had been rolled originally to be a landing gear shaft for a large jet, but that it came out slightly off true (not straight enough), so it was let go for salvage.

Anyway, that huge, tough, super duper piece of steel, going 500 mph and breaking loose from a housing, would cause bookoos of damage and wind up resting somewhere to be easily found - it would take a blast furnace to melt it down. These shafts are supposed to numbered (stencilled) before being installed on an aircraft, so, I can't believe that the authorities couldn't find any part (on the towers, now) to conclusively IDENTIFY the exact aircraft, even after the collapse of the buidling.

I can't prove anything, but don't you sometimes get the feeling we are being played for chumpy FOOLS?

Contumacyman

A funny thing about liars, they assume everyone else is one too. This is the site that your debunking pal, JP, offered:

Despite the existence of poor arguments against the alleged calls, some of the calls from Flights 11 and 77 do seem to have the ring of fakery.

• In one of two calls Ted Olsen said he received from his wife, Barbara, she asked "What should I tell the pilot?," referring to Chic Burlingame, the captain, who was then supposedly seated in the rear with Barbara. Chic was a graduate of Naval Academy and flew F-4s in Vietnam. It seems highly doubtful that he could have been persuaded to hand over the stick without a fight, and agree to sit in the back of the plane, especially when controllers had been broadcasting to pilots that Flight 11 had been hijacked.[/*:m:1qvqlcw9]
• Madeline Sweeney, who was the "anchor" for Flight 11, says: "I see, buildings, water, ... Oh my God!", immediately before the crash, as though she, a Massachusetts-based flight attendant of 12 years, had never seen the Manhattan skyline before. Supposedly she was continuously monitoring the view out a window.[/*:m:1qvqlcw9]
• There is no public evidence of recordings of any of the conversations, despite the extended length of some of them, except for the alleged calls from Flight 11 attendants Madeline Sweeney and Betty Ong.[/*:m:1qvqlcw9][/list:u:1qvqlcw9]

• http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/phonecalls.html [/*:m:1qvqlcw9][/list:u:1qvqlcw9]

• No, see, this is where you're lying. That debunker didn't "admit" they were fake, nor did he think they were fake. Why lie, Momus? In an attempt at even handedness he pointed to something like two or three that could be considered questionable.[/*:m:1qvqlcw9][/list:u:1qvqlcw9]

Why lie, Momus...?




Hmmph!

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

 

You have fallen for the illiusion of omniscient power that the government tries to inculcate in its citizens. In reality the government is weak and the centers of power vulnerable. The FBI, CIA and other security agencies are full of lawyers, accountants, beaurocrats, bored civil servants and empty-suit yes men. Air traffic control is bleary-eyed middle-aged men drinking coffee all day. Airport security is a nigger looking to steal something from your luggage. Even the vaunted US military machine is composed of bored young men waiting for orders from above. When something unexpected happens, everyone sits around waiting to be told what to do. No, the lesson of 9/11 isn't the genius of the magical jew who secretly seeds crowded building with invisible bombs - it's the reality of the weak jew who is just standing around waiting for a punch to his gut.

Good points, I remember the looks on the faces of the cops that I saw on 911. I can best describe them as dumbfounded dipshits without a clue.

A funny thing about liars, they assume everyone else is one too.

That's rich, because I recall JP originally making that observation about you people. I've noticed some of you have a tendency to borrow things we say.

This is the site that your debunking pal, JP, offered:

No, actually I offered it; that's how I recall so well what was in it. You're just proving my point.

Attention visitors to this forum:

The 9/11 conspiracy theories presented here are not necessarily the views of Vanguard News Network, nor are they necessarily the views of white nationalists in general.

It is the belief of many of us that preoccupation with paranoid conspiracy-mongering only serves to diminish our message and does great harm to the image of white nationalists.

There are three of you who keep saying this. You've never satisfactorily explained yourselves either. You can try now.
Explain to the forum how publicly questioning the government's own loony conspiracy-theory somehow brings shame to Whites or WNism.

It is the belief of many of us that preoccupation with paranoid conspiracy-mongering only serves to diminish our message and does great harm to the image of white nationalists.

Why do they fire proof the steel support structure in these skyscrapers if fire has no weakening effect on it as you guys say?

Anyone care to answer this besides the one who already did, or tried to.

Why do they fire proof the steel support structure in these skyscrapers if fire has no weakening effect on it as you guys say?

Anyone care to answer this besides the one who already did, or tried to.

I already told you, so jewish contracts can get rich by applying unneeded fireproofing. It's a conspiracy.

You have fallen for the illiusion of omniscient power that the government tries to inculcate in its citizens. In reality the government is weak and the centers of power vulnerable. The FBI, CIA and other security agencies are full of lawyers, accountants, beaurocrats, bored civil servants and empty-suit yes men. Air traffic control is bleary-eyed middle-aged men drinking coffee all day. Airport security is a nigger looking to steal something from your luggage. Even the vaunted US military machine is composed of bored young men waiting for orders from above. When something unexpected happens, everyone sits around waiting to be told what to do. No, the lesson of 9/11 isn't the genius of the magical jew who secretly seeds crowded building with invisible bombs - it's the reality of the weak jew who is just standing around waiting for a punch to his gut.

But you could be under an illusion too. The ones behind it could easily play off this air hi jacking terrorist act as slipping thru nincompoop bureaucracy security with the state of affairs the USA is in, but I ain’t thinking about the security agencies, I am thinking of the air traffic controllers and the one that work the skies, knowing these planes are out there, off course, I would guess there would have been contact made and all that just for air traffic safety reasons. How could they go undetected? Now the patsy plan could work, but still, why no black box? They seem to always find the black box. Too many links in the chain missing for me still to think it is as the powers that be play it out to be.

Plus, the agency that inspects air crashes are not just some bored idiots. Geez, they fished out air plane parts from the bottom of coast lines, swamps, everything and anything. Why not this time? No rebuilding the parts and looking at all the pieces? Especially cause a crime was involved. That is the mystery. Not doing the normal procedure is what has perked my interest. I saw the show with the theory of ‘what happened’ but I ain’t seen the show about the real facts they have discovered. And wow, strangely, that ain’t going to happen. Damn, it’s like the JFK thing, we aint never really going to know who was behind it and the exact way it is played out.

fabulous job of debunking, boys. JP would be proud of you. You really got to the heart of the issue, didn't you?
I guess we'll all straighten up and believe in the "Official Story" now that you made your point.

I already told you, so jewish contracts can get rich by applying unneeded fireproofing. It's a conspiracy.

Originally Posted by Joe Snuffy
Why do they fire proof the steel support structure in these skyscrapers if fire has no weakening effect on it as you guys say?

Anyone care to answer this besides the one who already did, or tried to.

fabulous job of debunking, boys. JP would be proud of you. You really got to the heart of the issue, didn't you?
I guess we'll all straighten up and believe in the "Official Story" now that you made your point.

I don't buy the official story either but I would like an answer MOMUS. Here my question again. Why do they fire proof the steel support structure in these skyscrapers if fire has no weakening effect as you say?

A very interesting question Joe. I would suggest maybe to keep the heat from travelling through the metal and sparking fires on the other floors. But I am just guessing. My deduction might be wrong.

would fireproofing be used as protective measures against fires spreading through out the building.... small fire in sky scraper or big fire in sky scraper? Which would you want to fight?