The European Union is importing workers now from eastern Europe, to further undercut the ordinary worker. Capitalist pig bosses state these workers, "cost less" "work harder". Thrown aside are the vast army of indigenous European workers like so much chattel. It is to these people that our European civilization is in the hands of, they are seeing "The Nationalists" as the only hope for the survival of European kind on this continent - Let the Revolution Begin !

I had another thought as regards to the "underliving" debate.

I state an objective fact -- the strategy I recommend of taking in boarders and car sharing WILL in fact build wealth.

The objection is that "Whites don't want to live this way (even temporarily)." This is a matter of subjective opinion, and there are plenty of cases where Whites do live this way. I know someone who had boarders for years and now he owns his house outright.

I am not able to practice what I preach because the wife won't let me. If I were single, I would absolutely do this. That said, I found other ways to get capital formation going, and I hope and expect to own multiple businesses and properties within 5 years, and to employ and provide inexpensive rental housing for WN people so they can form capital and do the same. My reasoning is that if the Chinese can do it, so can we.

Car sharing is also perfectly reasonable. There's a Boston based company called Zipcar http://www.zipcar.com and it is growing. So car sharing works. Zipcar has been in business since 1999, and it looks like they are growing. Car pooling can also work. Inconvenient? I think going bankrupt is more inconvenient. Being a debt slave is pretty inconvenient.

By the way, welcome back to the board, Whitefist! I trust our message board dispute is nothing personal, but rather useful debate. I certainly don't take it personally.

Whatever you think of my ideas, there is a meta-idea that generates these ideas. This meta-idea is "We must try anything that might lead to effective racial resistance." This is a life or death struggle. Bob Mathews took this even farther. He thought physically fighting ZOG would work, and who knows how far he might have gotten had he not been betrayed?

I'm not as courageous as any member of the Order. But I mention them because that's the most extreme example of "we must try anything that might be effective." When you think about Bob Mathews, then car sharing and house sharing are safe and easy by comparison. The only objection can be, "it's not effective."

I do not think this objection is correct. Here's the logic:

1. We need capital formation and temporary underliving is one way to do it. (winning the lottery would be quicker, for example).

2. With capital formation, we can start businesses and buy real estate and start an Aryan community.

3. An Aryan community is the first small step towards White racial resistance.

If you find where my logic fails, please point it out.

Be realistic will you? You cannot take on borders so easily and with such cavalier non-concern you have expressed here. Would you allow someone you barely knew or who answered a newspaper add to come into your home and have access to your wife and child? I would not. Maybe Forrest Gump's mother did 50 years ago but it was a different country then. Just because they are White does not mean they won't molest your child or rape or kill your wife.

Maybe your idea could work on a family level to some degree, such as two brothers and their families sharing a 5 bedroom house or maybe moving in with your parents for five years to save money to buy a house cash. In any event, saving capital requires WORK and some marketable skill.

An Aryan community is the first small step towards White racial resistance.

Here is another tip for you. You want work and access to cheap land? Move to Wyoming, that is if you don’t mind getting up and going work everyday mining coal. Of course your co-workers will all be White knuckle dragging proletariats, surely not people of you caliber good only for grunt labor and such. I'll tell you something, if I were a betting man, I'd wager these knuckle dragging cowboys in Wyoming will own their house outright before you. So really who is stupid, Mr. Trotsky lover?

An Aryan community is the first small step towards White racial resistance.

Here is another tip for you. You want work and access to cheap land? Move to Wyoming, that is if you don&#8217]work everyday mining coal. Of course your co-workers will all be White knuckle dragging proletariats, surely not people of your caliber good only for grunt labor and such. I'll tell you something, if I were a betting man, I'd wager these knuckle dragging cowboys in Wyoming will own their house outright before you. So really, who is stupid, Mr. Trotsky lover?

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1030/p01s01-usec.html

Here is another tip for you. You want work and access to cheap land? Move to Wyoming, that is if you don’t mind getting up and going work everyday mining coal. Of course your co-workers will all be White knuckle dragging proletariats, surely not people of your caliber good only for grunt labor and such. I'll tell you something, if I were a betting man, I'd wager these knuckle dragging cowboys in Wyoming will own their house outright before you. So really, who is stupid, Mr. Trotsky lover?

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1030/p01s01-usec.html

Better to get a ranch and raise cattle, I'd think. Pastor Peters is a cattle rancher near laramie. You'd have to purchase a lot of your feed but at least you'd be independent. Cattle ranchers don't do too bad, and it's a science with all the the breeding and genetics. Plus, you won't have to worry if your meat is tainted with BSD.

Better to get a ranch and raise cattle, I'd think. Pastor Peters is a cattle rancher near laramie. You'd have to purchase a lot of your feed but at least you'd be independent. Cattle ranchers don't do too bad, and it's a science with all the the breeding and genetics. Plus, you won't have to worry if your meat is tainted with BSD.

There is a cattle rancher in northern Colorado who has a huge ranch, several hundred thousand acres. He has started a ranching co-operative, for a very modest sum he sells you your own plot of land and house financed by him and you in turn also have to work the ranch as a member of the co-operative, and you receive a share of the sale price of the cattle. He sells free-range natural beef which is apparently quite lucrative and he claims you can earn a substantial amount of money with him. Out here natural beef is about 2 bucks a pound more than the steroid, cattle-pen beef.

There is a cattle rancher in northern Colorado who has a huge ranch, several hundred thousand acres. He has started a ranching co-operative, for a very modest sum he sells you your own plot of land and house financed by him and you in turn also have to work the ranch as a member of the co-operative, and you receive a share of the sale price of the cattle. He sells free-range natural beef which is apparently quite lucrative and he claims you can earn a substantial amount of money with him. Out here natural beef is about 2 bucks a pound more than the steroid, cattle-pen beef.

That sounds like the ticket. Heck, you don't even have to know how to ride a horse nowadays to do that kinda work. Of course, I would want to keep it natural and be a real cowboy!

I drove though Northern Colorado on the way to Missouri to visit the pastor's church and it's good country for cattle ranching. Nobody to mess with you either, especially in Wyoming.

That's always been my dream, to farm and raise cattle, get off the grid and just live a self sufficient lifestyle. All of us who are interested in that kinda thing should think about pooling our resources and buying 500 to 1000 acres somewhere and becoming our own community. Kinda like the amish. Now that would work, not some hairbrained idea about starting our own white town, which the Great Satan would burn to the ground in no time.

That's always been my dream, to farm and raise cattle, get off the grid and just live a self sufficient lifestyle. All of us who are interested in that kinda thing should think about pooling our resources and buying 500 to 1000 acres somewhere and becoming our own community. Kinda like the amish. Now that would work, not some hairbrained idea about starting our own white town, which the Great Satan would burn to the ground in no time.

If you want I'll find out about this deal. It was in the Colorado Springs Gazette, but I can't find it online. Some of the men I work with wanted to inquire about it.

Can I bring Demonica and HG? Seriously, my house would have to sell first before I could do anything like that. What I'd like to do is get some experience first. I plan on working some of these farms across the river in IL next spring to start gaining some. If he's still offering in a year or two I'll check it out.

I heard on a radio program that the CEO of United Healthcare made 1.6 billion dollars last year, which amounts to 57 grand an hour, all while cutting benefits to their insured. Let's see, couldn't the lapdog board find a decent CEO at slighty less than 1.6 billion a year? Isn't that defrauding the shareholders?

What we are getting is a rapidly shrinking middle-class, a small percentage of ultra-rich and the vast majority of folks being poor or very poor. Whites, or at least racialist whites have no representation in government. The best hope is a breakdown in the federal government. Majority white states need to govern themselves without the heavy hand of federal government.

Majority white states need to govern themselves without the heavy hand of federal government.

I'm afraid that's impossible until the ZOG is dead. By then, we'd have to get rid of the States structure and create autonomous regions, from Mexico to the Artic Circle. Yes, I said Mexico, after it's been cleansed. South America would be nice to have too but that's another job altogether.

Can I bring Demonica and HG? Seriously, my house would have to sell first before I could do anything like that. What I'd like to do is get some experience first. I plan on working some of these farms across the river in IL next spring to start gaining some. If he's still offering in a year or two I'll check it out.

You are greedy! You need Demonica also?

Who wouldn't?!

I had another thought as regards to the "underliving" debate.

I state an objective fact -- the strategy I recommend of taking in boarders and car sharing WILL in fact build wealth.

The objection is that "Whites don't want to live this way (even temporarily)." This is a matter of subjective opinion, and there are plenty of cases where Whites do live this way. I know someone who had boarders for years and now he owns his house outright.

I am not able to practice what I preach because the wife won't let me. If I were single, I would absolutely do this. That said, I found other ways to get capital formation going, and I hope and expect to own multiple businesses and properties within 5 years, and to employ and provide inexpensive rental housing for WN people so they can form capital and do the same. My reasoning is that if the Chinese can do it, so can we.

Car sharing is also perfectly reasonable. There's a Boston based company called Zipcar http://www.zipcar.com and it is growing. So car sharing works. Zipcar has been in business since 1999, and it looks like they are growing. Car pooling can also work. Inconvenient? I think going bankrupt is more inconvenient. Being a debt slave is pretty inconvenient.

By the way, welcome back to the board, Whitefist! I trust our message board dispute is nothing personal, but rather useful debate. I certainly don't take it personally.

Whatever you think of my ideas, there is a meta-idea that generates these ideas. This meta-idea is "We must try anything that might lead to effective racial resistance." This is a life or death struggle. Bob Mathews took this even farther. He thought physically fighting ZOG would work, and who knows how far he might have gotten had he not been betrayed?

I'm not as courageous as any member of the Order. But I mention them because that's the most extreme example of "we must try anything that might be effective." When you think about Bob Mathews, then car sharing and house sharing are safe and easy by comparison. The only objection can be, "it's not effective."

I do not think this objection is correct. Here's the logic:

1. We need capital formation and temporary underliving is one way to do it. (winning the lottery would be quicker, for example).

2. With capital formation, we can start businesses and buy real estate and start an Aryan community.

3. An Aryan community is the first small step towards White racial resistance.

If you find where my logic fails, please point it out.

There is no debate on "underliving" as it is clearly to the detriment of our race, and there is no greater evidence of that than the fact that our mortal enemy the jew wants Whites to engage in a losing struggle from the outset trying to underlive their racial inferiors!!!

The jew wants Whitey to Mexify himself! Everything they're doing is with that end in mind...

Now, here's the thing, going into tons of debt to keep up with the neighbor, a sort of consumerist toys race, is unproductive and will produce the negative effects you mention, like being in hock for everything you own. True enough, HOWEVER there's no reason an able bodied White Man doesn't own or can't own his own working vehicle. There are plenty of decent used cars to be had out there...

Furthermore, if I happen to be fortunate enough to be generating sufficient income that I can afford and desire to own a particular personal vehicle, THERE'S NOTHIGN WRONG WITH THAT! Whites should expect to enjoy the fruits of their labor, and be compensated for their labor as Whites, not mexishits or chinks.

Therein lies your logical flaw, because what you are suggesting and recommending is capitualtion and surrender to the enemy rather than resisting the mexification of our people.

What's more, as regards real estate, Whites who purchase a piece of property should have every reason to expect that their home be their own, and not some defacto boarding house to meet the mortgage and amortize the debt. What that entails is keeping housing prices in check, and that requires that hordes and hordes of people aren't constantly putting pressure on the housing market. Again a case in point of where our enemy uses one stone to take two birds. Hordes of nonwhites not only drive Whites out but they end up either bidding up the local property to the point of making it unaffordable, or they crash the neighborhood making it worthless as a slum where no Whites would dare live.

A case in point, before these clever "immigrants" decided to buy houses with 5 or more families to a house, the normal White home ownership structure was a husband and wife raising a family where the husband's income was sufficient for family expenses and sustaining the property. Homes were paid off relatively quickly if the breadwinner and his mate were so inclined because the value of a home as recently as 40 years ago was maybe 2 or 3 times the breadwinner's yearly salary! I'm simplifying how we got to this point, but it was precisely by jewish design, bid up the real estate making home ownership an overwhelming debt burden requiring mutliple incomes to service that debt, drawing women out into the workforce and ultimately putting income pressure on every member of the family unit. We've seen this before at the turn of the century, made famous in Upton Sinclair's novel, The Jungle.

The point is, those conditions are not ideal for Whites, we don't do well living that way, nor is what the chinks or latrinos do a step up for Whitekind, in fact, it's the opposite, a big step down on the long dark descent towards oblivion, which you are insisting we should embrace as some kind of path to victory...

I'll quote for you again a great mind on this very subject, Lothrop Stoddard:

From Lothrop Stoddard's The Rising Tide of Color:

PART III - THE DELUGE ON THE DIKES CHAPTER XI THE INNER DIKES

And a South African, writing of the effects of Hindu immigration into Natal, remarks in similar vein: "The condition of South Africa - especially of Natal - is a warning to other lands to bar Asiatic immigrants.... Both economically and socially the presence of a large Oriental population is bad. The Asiatics either force out the white workers, or compel the latter to live down to the Asiatic level. There must be a marked deterioration amongst the white working classes, which renders useless a great deal of the effort made in educational work. The white population is educated and trained according to the best ideas of the highest form of Western civilization - and has to compete for a livelihood against Asiatics! In South Africa this competition is driving out the white working class, because the average European cannot live down to the Asiatic level - and if it is essential that the European must do so, for the sake of his own happiness, do not educate him up to better things. If cheapness is the only consideration, if low wages are to come before everything else, then it is not only waste of money, but absolute cruelty, to inspire in the white working classes tastes and aspirations which it is impossible for them to realize. To meet Asiatic competition squarely, it would be necessary to train the white children to be Asiatics. Even the pro-Orientals would hardly advocate this." (L. E. Neame, "Oriental Labor in South Africa," Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science, vol. XXXIV, pp. 179-180, September, 1909.)

The lines just quoted squarely counter the "survival of the fittest " plea so often made by Asiatic propagandists for colored immigration. The argument runs that, since the Oriental laborer is able to underbid the white laborer, the Oriental is the "fittest" and should therefore be allowed to supplant the white man in the interests of human progress. This is of course merely clever use of the well-known fallacy which confuses the terms "fittest" and "best." The idea that, because a certain human type "fits" in certain ways a particular environment (often an unhealthy, man-made social environment), it should be allowed to drive out another type endowed with much richer potentialities for the highest forms of human evolution, is a sophistry as absurd as it is dangerous.

Professor Ross puts the matter very aptly when he remarks concerning Chinese immigration: "The competition of white laborer and yellow is not so simple a test of human worth as some may imagine. Under good conditions the white man can best the yellow man in turning off work. But under bad conditions the yellow man can best the white man, because he can better endure spoiled food, poor clothing, foul air, noise, heat, dirt, discomfort, and microbes. Reilly can outdo Ah-San, but Ah-San can underlive Reilly. Ah-San cannot take away Reilly's job as being a better workman]It is a case of a man fitted to get the most out of good conditions refusing to yield his place to a weaker man able to withstand bad conditions." (Ross, "The Changing Chinese," pp. 47-48.)

All this is no disparagement of the Asiatic. He is perfectly justified in trying to win broader opportunities in white lands. But we whites are equally justified in keeping these opportunities for ourselves and our children. The hard facts are that there is not enough for both; that when the enormous outward thrust of colored population-pressure bursts into a white land it cannot let live, but automatically crushes the white man out - first the white laborer, then the white merchant, lastly the white aristocrat; until every vestige of white has gone from that land forever.

What's next we sleep in shifts on a single bed and we start fornicating in the bushes to save on mattress expenses??? Where does it end, this descent into constant underliving, it is in fact a bottomless pit, and once we embark down that road there will ultimately be no turning back.

This isn't an objection that Whites don't want to make sacrifices, as they're already being forced to, but rather a realization that Whites are being forced to conform to "an unhealthy, man-made social environment" as Stoddard points out that is to our detriment.

If your suggestions that we attempt to underlive our racial rivals is so appealing why is your own wife opposed to it??? Women tend to be intuitively in favor of things that are beneficial in a material way, so why the opposition? And if in fact you can't sell your wife on this underliving strategy, why should working White folk take it seriously?

Finally, your arguments are totally unimpressive unless you can show how this is a better way for Whites to live. Keep in mind, we all understand that Whites are between an economic rock and a hard place today, forcing them to do things that they don't necessarily want to do, but where is what your recommending a better way, a better quality of life, and a pathway to White revival???

Living like mexishits and chinks will only serve to further weaken and destroy us. Give Whites a message of hope and a goal of realizing a better quality of life for themselves and their children, which is something a White labor movement might accomplish. The alternative is to capitulate and start learning to enjoy our daily bowl of rice rations, and to accept our serfdom and slavery in perpetuity.