Whitefist,

You missed my point entirely.

Underliving is TEMPORARY. It's done to save up capital. By the way, many of the Chinese over at the casinos aren't underliving at all. Those people got rich.

Second, I don't begrudge you your car, but think of all the money you have spent on your car. That could be capital that could be working for you and returning you money -- e.g. compound interest.

I'm not saying this is a good system, I'm saying we should adapt and overcome. You are missing the "overcome" part, and thinking that I am just saying "Adapt and live like bums permanently." Some people do this, actually, already. Lots of White men choose to "drop out." But I'm not saying to drop out.

Try to actually read what I am saying before you make the same argument repeatedly. I addressed all your concerns and then some.

I myself live as a person of high culture. I am well read, I can play classical music on the violin, I take my daughter to gymnastics, soccer, dance lessons, and piano lessons. I certainly hope to make money and help my WN fellow tribesmen make money and have their children have this sort of upbringing as well.

By the way, the Chinese over at the casinos spend their surplus wealth on the education of their children too, after their period of "underliving and saving."

For the Chinese, temporary underliving is the alternative to getting into compound-interest debt to the jew.

The substance of your argument is that one must never "camp out" even temporarily, even if this means being in debt to the jew. We see how well that's working out. The Chinaman does get in some debt for his house, which his 10 tenants pay off quickly, and then he owns free and clear in 5 to 10 years. The White people die in debt, or get foreclosed. I see it with my own eyes. Then they end up in the welfare motels, with the roaches and the coloreds.

Hell, were the cowboys and the pioneers on the frontier "underliving?"

The strategy I describe is the new frontier. It is one that combines the strategies of the Chinaman and the tribalistic jew -- both who are wildly successful in this nightmare ZOG world.

More thoughts on the new frontier.

As the revolutionary says to the reactionary, "if the past was so good, why did it give birth to the present?"

I'm not interested "in a return to the good old days." I see the products of the good old days -- a bunch of nigger loving jew worshippers.

I'm interested in forging a White nationalist tribe out of the Great(er) Depression that's coming. If anything, I want to help Whites avoid starvation, disease, and other bad things as much as possible. That's why I meet reality head on, rather than saying how bad things are.

Of course things are bad. They are terrible! But they got that way because of the trusting, naive White Americans of "the good old days." Those smiling idiots murdered Nazi Germany.

As far as "underliving," those who put their head in the sand as long as possible are going to be doing more than their share of underliving, perhaps underliving right to an early grave.

My strategy is pro-active. The goal is to create a market-dominant tribe out of the White nationalists movement. Success is the best argument there is. People respond to what you are, not what you say. If White nationalists are successful, then we will be able to get the replication going.

Look how quickly the jews took over America. They just started immigrating in large numbers in the 1880's, and by 1916 they dragged us kicking and screaming into World War I.

I see no reason why we cannot use the Chinese and the jew models to retake at least a part of the country for ourselves.

And by the way, I have "sold" this idea to plenty of Whites in New England, though the concept of "selling an idea" is repugnant to me. The idea should sell itself. I'm not a salesman type. I just have them over on the weekend, do some farmwork, and chat, and they like my ideas. And so I repeat it here.

If you don't like the idea, it's fine. I have no power over how you live. This isn't a battle for the hearts and minds of VNN Forum. Frankly, I could care less. But articulating the ideas (rather than selling the ideas) is fun, and it clarifies my own thinking. I don't mind defending my ideas. But it's frustrating when the person attacking the ideas doesn't respond to what I actually said, but rather ignores what I said, and repeats his own ideas again and again, as if I'd never responded to his objections.

Anyway, good luck there. Let me know if you want to visit the farm again some time. I have people over pretty regularly, who have indeed "bought" into my ideas.

People respond to what you are, not what you say.

Which is precisely why no one takes you seriously.

I myself live as a person of high culture. I am well read, I can play classical music on the violin

Too bad no one will pay you for that. Is that what you are waiting for, someone to pay you for just being you?

A fool speaks to have something to say. A wise man speaks because he has something to say. This is another attempt on your part to gain attention with another silly idea that you consider "thinking outside of the box". You don't think outside the box]Get up and go to work; learn a marketable skill, and apply yourself at it. That's how you get ahead.

But it's frustrating when the person attacking the ideas doesn't respond to what I actually said, but rather ignores what I said, and repeats his own ideas again and again, as if I'd never responded to his objections.

Ain't that the truth.

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Even the 90 IQ "grunts" have mastered a concept that you don't seem to be able to grasp: Get up and go to work]

I recall, Kievsky, in one of his many treatises', once urged all White people to go on welfare so as to hasten the fall of ZOG. Apparently, he's leading by example.

 

I recall, Kievsky, in one of his many treatises', once urged all White people to go on welfare so as to hasten the fall of ZOG. Apparently, he's leading by example.

Yes, another brilliant example of thinking outside of the box.

I'm afraid that's impossible until the ZOG is dead. By then, we'd have to get rid of the States structure and create autonomous regions, from Mexico to the Artic Circle. Yes, I said Mexico, after it's been cleansed. South America would be nice to have too but that's another job altogether.

Now THERE's the right idea!
Not some traitorous surrender bullshit like Rounder's "Miller Plan".

Kievsky is talking about temporary underliving to build up wealth reserves. Businesses and countries do this all the time. Pooling resources and living below your means to establish reserves.
Sounds simple to me.

Remember when you were in College? People do this all the time. Every financial planner will talk to you about living below your means.
Now Kievsky does take the idea to the extreme. I never did agree with the welfare article. But his theory of undermining ZOG is the ends here.

Sutter and Whitefist are correct when noting that most Whites will not buy into this idea. Especially the taking in of boarders who you do not know well.
But the idea is totally on the mark. Live below your means to establish more wealth.
I did this for years. Then when I got a higher paying job, I became undisciplined and lived the high life for a bit. That was a total waste of money.
Many of you miss Kievsky's point. You can do this on an individual level and a local level. Perhaps you have a few close friends. Why live alone and barely keep up with your rent while enriching the landlord?
Pool resources and buy a modest home. Work and save and then sell.
Not that difficult. When times are tough you find ways to cut costs. Live your life like a corporation. Cut costs and expenses when you need to.

Instead of toiling the land, we could also work together to buy a business. The key is to find a network of motivated individuals.
Kievsky is on the mark here.

Thanks Derrick!

Sutter and Steve B.! The criticism is positively appreciated. It motivates me.

And your point is well taken. You guys are right, and the ball busting makes it more amusing. I haven't accomplished shit, so who am I to talk.

When I do accomplish shit, then I'll come back and bump this thread and PM you bastards!

But until then, TALK IS INDEED CHEAP.

Kievsky is talking about temporary underliving to build up wealth reserves. Businesses and countries do this all the time. Pooling resources and living below your means to establish reserves.
Sounds simple to me.

Remember when you were in College? People do this all the time. Every financial planner will talk to you about living below your means.
Now Kievsky does take the idea to the extreme. I never did agree with the welfare article. But his theory of undermining ZOG is the ends here.

Sutter and Whitefist are correct when noting that most Whites will not buy into this idea. Especially the taking in of boarders who you do not know well.
But the idea is totally on the mark. Live below your means to establish more wealth.
I did this for years. Then when I got a higher paying job, I became undisciplined and lived the high life for a bit. That was a total waste of money.
Many of you miss Kievsky's point. You can do this on an individual level and a local level. Perhaps you have a few close friends. Why live alone and barely keep up with your rent while enriching the landlord?
Pool resources and buy a modest home. Work and save and then sell.
Not that difficult. When times are tough you find ways to cut costs. Live your life like a corporation. Cut costs and expenses when you need to.

Instead of toiling the land, we could also work together to buy a business. The key is to find a network of motivated individuals.
Kievsky is on the mark here.

Young people are already forced to do this. Look at the want ads and you'll see hundreds of people who just graduated college or entered the workforce looking for room mates. The young person in their early 20's already cannot afford to rent an apartment on their entry level $500-$600 per week salary, and many of them are not even getting that much starting out. They certainly are not really saving anything and are already doing this out the need to just make ends meet. If they are not living with room mates they are living at home. Unfortunately, many of the young people who are living at home are not saving their money, but squandering it living a lifestyle they could otherwise not afford. Those wise enough to take advantage of the great opportunity living at home affords them to save their money to buy a home outright are taking advantage of delaying material and lifestyle gratification in order that they may make their life better in the future. You will never be able to convince the latter that they are now going to improve their life economically by taking on a border and putting their family in jeopardy.

The downward pressure is already in place that forces this communalism, and people do not save capital as a result of it.

For older folks like myself (I'm 45) who have children taking on borders to save capital is out of the question.

Young people are already forced to do this. Look at the want ads and you'll see hundreds of people who just graduated college or entered the workforce looking for room mates. The young person in their early 20's already cannot afford to rent an apartment on their entry level $500-$600 per week salary, and many of them are not even getting that much starting out. They certainly are not really saving anything and are already doing this out the need to just make ends meet. If they are not living with room mates they are living at home. Unfortunately, many of the young people who are living at home are not saving their money, but squandering it living a lifestyle they could otherwise not afford. Those wise enough to take advantage of the great opportunity living at home affords them to save their money to buy a home outright are taking advantage of delaying material and lifestyle gratification in order that they may make their life better in the future. You will never be able to convince the latter that they are now going to improve their life economically by taking on a border and putting their family in jeopardy.

The downward pressure is already in place that forces this communalism, and people do not save capital as a result of it.

For older folks like myself (I'm 45) who have children taking on borders to save capital is out of the question.

I agree Sutter. But there is more room and possibilities to save capital.

And once you get capital, you can make it work for you.

Hell, we better do this. Every immigrant is doing this. Even niggers from Africa set up chains of businesses around the Kwa. It's we Whites who aren't doing this as a community.

A community can get a network of businesses going, which will be more powerful than every Whitey for himself.

I'm just saying that if the Chinese in the US can do it, if African niggers can do it, if Guatemalans can do this, if Vietnamese can do this, then why can't we?

The races that set up their economic enclaves manage to also get racial enclaves. Think about Chinatown. What White person or non-White besides Chinese is going to rent an apt. in Chinatown?

Everyone else is playing this game. We must play it too.

The Vietnamese in Boston have

Vietnamese-only churches

Vietnamese-only day cares

Vietnamese-only schools

Streets of predominantly Vietnamese owned and staffed businesses.

It's true the gov't gave them a lot of breaks to do this, and maybe still does.

But we sure as hell got to try. And the first thing is to start working more communally and less single serve existence like we've been doing.

I agree Sutter. But there is more room and possibilities to save capital.

And once you get capital, you can make it work for you.

Hell, we better do this. Every immigrant is doing this. Even niggers from Africa set up chains of businesses around the Kwa. It's we Whites who aren't doing this as a community.

A community can get a network of businesses going, which will be more powerful than every Whitey for himself.

I'm just saying that if the Chinese in the US can do it, if African niggers can do it, if Guatemalans can do this, if Vietnamese can do this, then why can't we?

The races that set up their economic enclaves manage to also get racial enclaves. Think about Chinatown. What White person or non-White besides Chinese is going to rent an apt. in Chinatown?

Everyone else is playing this game. We must play it too.

The Vietnamese in Boston have

Vietnamese-only churches

Vietnamese-only day cares

Vietnamese-only schools

Streets of predominantly Vietnamese owned and staffed businesses.

It's true the gov't gave them a lot of breaks to do this, and maybe still does.

But we sure as hell got to try. And the first thing is to start working more communally and less single serve existence like we've been doing.

I believe there should be and can be more cooperative behavior for Whites on a family level. We could further our own cause economically if we were to do this as much as possible. I come from a family of four brothers. All we ever did was try and kill each other - literally. It must be the Irish in us. Like my good friend once said: "If the Irish had 25% of the cohesion of the Jews we'd run the world".

Maybe we should join up with the Travelers, the Pikeys; now that's a cohesive group of Mics, and they sure know how to beat the system.

I believe there should be and can be more cooperative behavior for Whites on a family level. We could further our own cause economically if we were to do this as much as possible. I come from a family of four brothers. All we ever did was try and kill each other - literally. It must be the Irish in us. Like my good friend once said: "If the Irish had 25% of the cohesion of the Jews we'd run the world".

Maybe we should join up with the Travelers, the Pikeys]

My family is very small. Larger families are definitely necessary. I think having a community will facilitate larger families.

Imagine just 5 WN families in a town. One of the moms of these families runs a day care, the other 4 pay for their kids to stay there while they work. Of course stay at home moms would be ideal, but we know that that doesn't happen anymore. The 5 families share a vehicle. it's doable. and it would save a hell of a lot of money.

Also, no one should be satisfied with working a job. A job should be viewed as a temporary curse. Owning businesses and rental properties is the only acceptable economic status. That's the attitude many Asians (Hindus and Chinese) have.

I'm not being anti-working class in saying this. I'm just pointing out that the anti-job, pro-entrepreneur bias of Asians actually makes them more successful. The kids often say, "I'm sick of working in the family business, so I'm going to medical school to get away from the family."

Also a group of 5 has a better chance of successfully running a business, because of the pooling of capital and the division of labor. Everyone has to be of good character and it needs to be managed well, but like I said, if Asians can do it, so's can we.

I am taking concrete steps to accomplish what I advocate, but I don't blab about my life on message boards. For obvious reasons. But like you pointed out, I am just blabbing at this point. I have no concrete accomplishment to demonstrate.

But I can say that while I do wage labor now, I'll never be satisfied with that. I'm always going to be working towards starting my own business.

Godzilla mit uns!
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More thoughts on the new frontier.

As the revolutionary says to the reactionary, "if the past was so good, why did it give birth to the present?"

I'm not interested "in a return to the good old days." I see the products of the good old days -- a bunch of nigger loving jew worshippers.

I'm interested in forging a White nationalist tribe out of the Great(er) Depression that's coming. If anything, I want to help Whites avoid starvation, disease, and other bad things as much as possible. That's why I meet reality head on, rather than saying how bad things are.

Of course things are bad. They are terrible! But they got that way because of the trusting, naive White Americans of "the good old days." Those smiling idiots murdered Nazi Germany.

As far as "underliving," those who put their head in the sand as long as possible are going to be doing more than their share of underliving, perhaps underliving right to an early grave.

My strategy is pro-active. The goal is to create a market-dominant tribe out of the White nationalists movement. Success is the best argument there is. People respond to what you are, not what you say. If White nationalists are successful, then we will be able to get the replication going.

Look how quickly the jews took over America. They just started immigrating in large numbers in the 1880's, and by 1916 they dragged us kicking and screaming into World War I.

I see no reason why we cannot use the Chinese and the jew models to retake at least a part of the country for ourselves.

And by the way, I have "sold" this idea to plenty of Whites in New England, though the concept of "selling an idea" is repugnant to me. The idea should sell itself. I'm not a salesman type. I just have them over on the weekend, do some farmwork, and chat, and they like my ideas. And so I repeat it here.

If you don't like the idea, it's fine. I have no power over how you live. This isn't a battle for the hearts and minds of VNN Forum. Frankly, I could care less. But articulating the ideas (rather than selling the ideas) is fun, and it clarifies my own thinking. I don't mind defending my ideas. But it's frustrating when the person attacking the ideas doesn't respond to what I actually said, but rather ignores what I said, and repeats his own ideas again and again, as if I'd never responded to his objections.

Anyway, good luck there. Let me know if you want to visit the farm again some time. I have people over pretty regularly, who have indeed "bought" into my ideas.

Should I requote Stoddard, or did you even bother to read it???

He speaks DIRECTLY to what YOU HAVE SUGGESTED WE ATTEMPT DOING.

And he says it far, far better than I can, which is why I quoted him at length.

There is no victory in underliving, and what's more, if you want to pit Whites against Asians on their terms Whites will lose 10 times out of 10 for the reasons that Stoddard gives above.

But you simply ignore that entirely and persist in arguing that Whites can and should underlive in order to facilitate capital formation. Well, no one is arguing against White capital formation, but as Augustus Sutter has pointed out, Whites are already being forced to "underlive" and they aren't able to accumulate capital in the process. In addition, on what basis do you assume this underliving to be "temporary"? Because there certainly doesn't seem to be any end in sight to it...

That is of course no surprise, since that's exactly the result the jews have been working for, with great success.

Also, no one argues against your entrepreneurial suggestions, or rather the idea that entrepreneurial activity should become a White focus. But not everyone fits that profile, with many, many Whites making superb laborers/workers/employees. The problem is that in that entrepreneurial state where Whites "sell" their labor, jews have now successfully rigged the labor market such that even a valuable White worker is no longer able to command a "price" for his labor commensurate with his worth.

Lastly, I don't accept your argument that everything up until this point is somehow tainted. In other words, you seem to argue that we need to throw out the baby with the bath water. There's no reason to. Our problem as Whites isn't the automobile, or the semiconductor, or the interstate highway system. Our problem is actually a very simple one, we've subcontracted out our thinking and political decision making to a parasitical alien tribe. Correct that and all of the wonderful benefits of living in a White "free" market economy will be ours.

Should I requote Stoddard, or did you even bother to read it???

He speaks DIRECTLY to what YOU HAVE SUGGESTED WE ATTEMPT DOING.

And he says it far, far better than I can, which is why I quoted him at length.

There is no victory in underliving, and what's more, if you want to pit Whites against Asians on their terms Whites will lose 10 times out of 10 for the reasons that Stoddard gives above.

But you simply ignore that entirely and persist in arguing that Whites can and should underlive in order to facilitate capital formation. Well, no one is arguing against White capital formation, but as Augustus Sutter has pointed out, Whites are already being forced to "underlive" and they aren't able to accumulate capital in the process. In addition, on what basis do you assume this underliving to be "temporary"? Because there certainly doesn't seem to be any end in sight to it...

That is of course no surprise, since that's exactly the result the jews have been working for, with great success.

Also, no one argues against your entrepreneurial suggestions, or rather the idea that entrepreneurial activity should become a White focus. But not everyone fits that profile, with many, many Whites making superb laborers/workers/employees. The problem is that in that entrepreneurial state where Whites "sell" their labor, jews have now successfully rigged the labor market such that even a valuable White worker is no longer able to command a "price" for his labor commensurate with his worth.

Lastly, I don't accept your argument that everything up until this point is somehow tainted. In other words, you seem to argue that we need to throw out the baby with the bath water. There's no reason to. Our problem as Whites isn't the automobile, or the semiconductor, or the interstate highway system. Our problem is actually a very simple one, we've subcontracted out our thinking and political decision making to a parasitical alien tribe. Correct that and all of the wonderful benefits of living in a White "free" market economy will be ours.

No, I absolutely get the point about Ah-san versus Reilly.

You are arguing with me as though I am in favor of Asian immigration. I'm not. The argument against Asian immigration is a sound one, by both you and Stoddard.

I am advocating actually doing something to adapt and create a White community. That is, I am advocating a certain course of action.

What action are you recommending, besides posting on message boards?