I don't know if you're right on this or not. I do post there at times -- and recently got reprimanded by whatshisname (JJT?) who gave me an infraction for pointing out to a silly SF girl that negroes aren't "guys" -- that would imply equality with modern humans (White men) -- nor are they "blacks" -- because that likewise implies equality with "Whites." Anyway, I'm not convinced that SF does more harm than good, despite my personal experiences there.

the tree is an inconditional slave of the women. he will support them and do everything for them no matter the situation. every post i do that is critical of women is blocked by him. once i managed to get a thread through thanks to other mod but the tree closed it in the end. that man is killing SF. skadi must be thanking the tree for many new members. he will also trash users he doesnt like like lord sidious and other revisionists because revisionism obviously is beyond his lemming mind.

MY ADVISE :

that man is killing SF.

I made this perfectly clear to higher (not Mr.Black, but close) before I left. Shortly before there had been a call by several long-time members to remove JJT as a mod. The reply from higher continues to be that he will not be replaced.
Their main concern seems to be quantity of registered members, not the quality or loyalty of members.

If I may.....Censorship is a bad thing, no question. But not nearly as devestating to a new comer as "blatant idiotic vulgarities" actually being fought over by the supposed cream of the crop....Just one random "new comers" view, though.

I don't enjoy flaming YOU. I've never flamed YOU -- or anyone, that I remember. I am CRITICIZING YOUR ACTION AND DECISION in this instance. And I'm not being "sly" -- I'm being completely upfront and open in my criticism. Let's be honest here.

Yes, you did so state, but you did not give contributors the obvious alternative option I have suggested: a Tabloid Fund controlled by the Tabloid Clerk (and you until such a one is selected). If you spend this money on your campaign, that money will NOT be there for future tabloid edition. That will injure a worthwhile VNN project in order to fund a person project. That is an immoral act.

Personally, I applaud your political run. I think it's a terrific and courageous and helpful thing for you to do. You are leading by example. And, if gold and silver make a big enough move here fairly soon and I thereby have extra money, I will send you a contribution towards it -- if you'd like me to. I just think you have to keep the two endeavors utterly separate -- and give the next tabloid clerk the tabloid fund that contributors have created for that purpose. I also think you need to keep good records of whatever fund you control -- writing down every cent spent and the reason and amounts received and so on. (I'm not suggesting you aren't doing that. I have no idea whether or not you are. I just think you should.)

You're kidding, right ??? Because if I do as you suggest, and keep the tabloid fund money until a new tabloid clerk materializes, hell will freeze over and I'll still have the money, and none of it will have been used to further The Cause. I've been unsuccessfully begging for a replacement for at least a year and a half now.

Now either go find one, be it yourself, or shut the hell up about it.

As for your "immoral act", I'll give you MY immoral act. That's me working my ass off free of charge for 2 years, while putting up with irresponsible, loud mouthed, divisive, shit-spreading critics like you.

For the record, I do not think it is a good idea to censor VNN Forum. It's good to have some utterly free speech sites. We have one: this one. Let's keep it that way. I raised this issue to show the absurdity of the premises. If the premises are absurd, then so are the conclusions.

I think we might voluntarily tone it down a bit, I guess. Although as I continue to think about this, I'm not too concerned that we do so. Reason: newbies should be sent to National Vanguard and David Duke and Stormfront first, anyway -- not to VNN (although I do think Goyfire is particularly good -- probably for young aggressive newbies).

I also, for the record, think it's a good idea to have some more "polite" forums and websites -- such as National Vanguard and Stormfront (although, as we know, SF needs to be re-Whitened) -- as gentle entrance gates for newbies. They can come here when they're ready.

Absurdity of the premise ?? What freakin premise ?? All I asked for was the banning of the "F" word from thread topics, thus kept off VNNF main page, so guests wouldn't have their noses rubbed in it the first minute they get here. I didn't even suggest it, or other offensive words, be banned from VNNF posts.

The approval of my request would have kept me on as tabloid clerk and helped me greatly in recruiting enough new contributors and distributors to prevent TWPL project from dying out thru attrition. It wasn't growing but dying. It took 4 freakin months to get out 40,000 copies.

I felt then, and still do, that the gesture of removing "F" from mainpage, will go a long way in attracting new contributors and distributors who are reluctant to support a paper that asks people to come here.

And you really don't believe the idea is "absurd". This is just another of your sly, disingenuine, oblique swipes at me, personally.

Now take your ass whipping like a man, and cease your feeble, limp-wristed personal attacks, or I'll whip up on your ass smo.

Yes, you did so state, but you did not give contributors the obvious alternative option I have suggested: a Tabloid Fund controlled by the Tabloid Clerk (and you until such a one is selected). If you spend this money on your campaign, that money will NOT be there for future tabloid edition. That will injure a worthwhile VNN project in order to fund a person project. That is an immoral act.

Rounder offered to send contributions back to the contributors. Couldn&#8217]I also think you need to keep good records of whatever fund you control -- writing down every cent spent and the reason and amounts received and so on. (I'm not suggesting you aren't doing that. I have no idea whether or not you are. I just think you should.)

Not only does Rounder keep track, he posts it here, both his campaign contributions as well as tabloid donations/subscriptions.

Personally, I applaud your political run. I think it's a terrific and courageous and helpful thing for you to do. You are leading by example. And, if gold and silver make a big enough move here fairly soon and I thereby have extra money, I will send you a contribution towards it -- if you'd like me to.

I think I know the answer to that one. Option #2?

VNNF's whole claim to fame was that it allowed free speech. Whether originally intended/justified/desirable or not, the established "postership" by now expects that to include being able to use foul language. The problem with any proposal to "clean up" VNNF at this stage is that it entails changing that entrenched culture. The only practical way to do that is really to get rid of the postership and start again from scratch. Actually we've seen this process in action with a number of frivilous bans including Flynn, Todd, Steve B, etc.

Maybe it's time to shut down this forum altogether, or better yet, move it to a subdomain like "http://archive1.vnnforum.com", keep it online as a static archive, but allow no further posts or editing. Then, wait about a month or two, and then launch a brand new forum emphasizing whatever new forum rules, and forum focus, that are desired.

Let's discuss this a bit. The discussion to date has been premised on irrationality: that the one word "fuck" in thread titles will bounce newbies and would-be advertisers off of VNN back into the arms of lemmingland.

I don't think any drastic measures need to be taken here. The only thing that needs to happen is, before hitting "submit", each person needs to sit there and think "Does this benefit the cause? Does this benefit my race?" If the answer is no, than refrain from posting. If the answer is yes, hit submit.

We need to put limits on OURSELVES, as posters, and think of what others might think of our posts. I know that I get turned off by flame wars, so I refrain from engaging in, or fuelling them. Sometimes, I'll put out a call for people to think about what they're doing.

I write entire posts that I just don't submit, telling myself that it's not necessary for me to chime in. Usually, it's small posts, but I've not submitted some large ones, both on here, and on other forums.

We should refrain from unecessary or vulgar use of "curse" terms, as well as stigmatized terms like nigger and spic. Of course, they can be used in good taste as enhancing words, to really drive the point home, but part of the enhhancing value of these terms is the fact that they aren't often used by well spoken folks.

So again, before you hit "submit", ask yourself if this will contribute positively to the cause, and if a lemming would be turned off by what you're posting.

Absurdity of the premise ?? What freakin premise ?? All I asked for was the banning of the "F" word from thread topics, thus kept off VNNF main page, so guests wouldn't have their noses rubbed in it the first minute they get here. I didn't even suggest it, or other offensive words, be banned from VNNF posts.

The approval of my request would have kept me on as tabloid clerk and helped me greatly in recruiting enough new contributors and distributors to prevent TWPL project from dying out thru attrition. It wasn't growing but dying. It took 4 freakin months to get out 40,000 copies.

I felt then, and still do, that the gesture of removing "F" from mainpage, will go a long way in attracting new contributors and distributors who are reluctant to support a paper that asks people to come here.

And you really don't believe the idea is "absurd". This is just another of your sly, disingenuine, oblique swipes at me, personally.

Now take your ass whipping like a man, and cease your feeble, limp-wristed personal attacks, or I'll whip up on your ass smo.

I have no reason to take "sly, disingenuous, oblique swipes" at you because I think you are an asset to the cause. If I were attacking you, you would know it -- not because I'm so tough but because I would do so openly and directly.

You are taking a strong stance on a weak premise. That is irrational. The reason your premise is weak is because the elimination of the one word "fuck" from thread titles alone won't do fuck -- given the continuation of nigger, spic, gook, kike, cunt, piss, and shit. Even the elimination of the word "fuck" from the body of the threads won't do much of a fuck -- for exactly the same reason.

Your stance is irrational.

Why have you taken this irrational stance? Good question. It's a mystery.

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Originally Posted by Devere
Personally, I applaud your political run. I think it's a terrific and courageous and helpful thing for you to do. You are leading by example. And, if gold and silver make a big enough move here fairly soon and I thereby have extra money, I will send you a contribution towards it -- if you'd like me to.

I think I know the answer to that one. Option #2

Mind your own business. That question is between Rounder and me. The other stuff you have a stake in, so your contribution is a contribution.

I have no reason to take "sly, disingenuous, oblique swipes" at you because I think you are an asset to the cause. If I were attacking you, you would know it -- not because I'm so tough but because I would do so openly and directly.

You are taking a strong stance on a weak premise. That is irrational. The reason your premise is weak is because the elimination of the one word "fuck" from thread titles alone won't do fuck -- given the continuation of nigger, spic, gook, kike, cunt, piss, and shit. Even the elimination of the word "fuck" from the body of the threads won't do much of a fuck -- for exactly the same reason.

Your stance is irrational.

Why have you taken this irrational stance? Good question. It's a mystery.

You're not listening. Go back and read my previous post again.

You know absolutely nothing about recruiting distributors and contributors, or keeping them, or recruiting more than is lost thru attrition. And you don't give a damn, either.

I don't think any drastic measures need to be taken here. The only thing that needs to happen is, before hitting "submit", each person needs to sit there and think "Does this benefit the cause? Does this benefit my race?" If the answer is no, than refrain from posting. If the answer is yes, hit submit.

We need to put limits on OURSELVES, as posters, and think of what others might think of our posts. I know that I get turned off by flame wars, so I refrain from engaging in, or fuelling them. Sometimes, I'll put out a call for people to think about what they're doing.

I write entire posts that I just don't submit, telling myself that it's not necessary for me to chime in. Usually, it's small posts, but I've not submitted some large ones, both on here, and on other forums.

We should refrain from unecessary or vulgar use of "curse" terms, as well as stigmatized terms like nigger and spic. Of course, they can be used in good taste as enhancing words, to really drive the point home, but part of the enhhancing value of these terms is the fact that they aren't often used by well spoken folks.

So again, before you hit "submit", ask yourself if this will contribute positively to the cause, and if a lemming would be turned off by what you're posting.

Unfortunately, this forum is loaded with crypto kikes and anti's who deliberately sabotage every attempt to make VNNF an effective, productive forum. Not to even mention the irresponsible punk hobbyists.

Good post anyway, though.

I truly feel that if we have already progressed to this level of the internerd world. We should be a lot thicker skinned.....No?

I truly feel that if we have already progressed to this level of the internerd world. We should be a lot thicker skinned.....No?

Mine's already tougher than Krupp steel. It's some of the others' I worry about.

I truly feel that if we have already progressed to this level of the internerd world. We should be a lot thicker skinned.....No?

The return of Irish Jay. You weren't all that friendly with Rounder when last you posted in the "Is Miller a Zog Agent" thread. Why the sudden change of heart?