I also don't think women should be moderators on a WN forum. I love women but I've seen enough of their behavior in leadership positions in society to know what women do with power over men -- they promote women at the expense of men -- they can't rid themselves of the urge to feminism. Objective defense of the race is not a natural strength in women.

On the other hand, women posters should be welcome at VNN and treated well. We need our women -- as they need us. There's been too much jew-connived division of the sexes.

Devere, I don't think women are the problem as far as moderators. I think it's men who think like women. your thoughts?

Having worked with Pixi and Demonica, I think they do fine. They can't currently be expected to "take the lead."

Sutter gone; silverstein havin' a good time.

I vote Chain to be Grand Poopah, even if he doesn't love jebus

Devere, I don't think women are the problem as far as moderators. I think it's men who think like women. your thoughts?

There could be two kinds of personalities that could cause a problem, which are male and female. The female who is overly sensitive(which both Pixi and Demonica are not) and the male who feels the need to take control, kick some ass, and exert his forum authority.

Sutter is perm banned. He can't log onto the forum even to inform other mods.

I thought we were done with this banning shit after Demonica cleaned it all up.

Sutter doesn't appear to be banned.

Apparently, as have many, he has been banned and unbanned.

I posted this in the Support Forum. I'll post it here for more visibility.

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In my opinion, obviously White pro-White men (like John Flynn and Todd and others) should not be banned. There may be some exceptions to that principle -- but I can't think what they might be. Disapproval of things Alex Linder or Glenn Miller have done or said are not justifiable reasons to ban White pro-White men.

Notice I said "White pro-White men." White is not enough.

If you want to ban people, ban jews and trolls -- those who give, based on their posts, sufficient reason to be strongly suspected to be such. Absolute proof should not be necessary to ban (or confine) a probable jew or troll.

If they're jew-wise and been on here for over 60 days but still haven't contributed or distributed, then ban their useless, do-nothing-contribute-nothing-but-talk, parasitic asses to the op forum, til they do, is what I say.

This policy will automatically get rid of the crypto kikes, kike-alikes, irresponsible punks, and other subversives. And it'll cut down considerably on the effectiveness of their subversions of spreading divisiveness, misinformation, confusion, and demoralization among guests, new-bees, and the not-yet-jew-wise.

The moderators have agreed to the construction of a new tool, that being the ability to assign a certain profile of poster to Nutzpah. Those assigned are not antis, though exhibit behaviour which disrupts the forum: they attack others, incessantly criticize, and are congenitally out of sync, hostile, or sarcastic.

Sutter has the dubious distinction of being the first person assigned to Nutzpah; he has attracted negative attention for some time. For the record it was another moderator which wanted Sutter sent to Nutzpah, and, at that time, I defended Sutter. I argued he wasn't an anti, just disgruntled and frustrated.

For some time I have been the subject of many of Sutter's cutting comments, slanders, and insults - such as implying I am a Jew - and had til this day ignored them. Yesterday, I sent Sutter a PM asking him to phone me, so we could resolve this animosity, and the reply was less than gracious, as are most of his comments on this forum.

Yes, persons like Sutter, PORC, and others are popular among many on this forum, so, yes, Sutter - and others - can continue with their sarcasm in the Nutz section, and no doubt they'll have company. "Just In" and "General Discussion" ought not to be hijacked by the disgruntled and frustrated bent on diverting threads.

Some on this forum won't like this idea and will state their opinion vociferously; in fact this idea came under criticism by some moderators, including myself. Still, we are going to give it chance.

The UK section will soon be able to assign people to their own Opps and Nutz section.

Insult's and wise cracking all of time or most of time by a poster is something that needs to be contained to one forum thread. If they are truly white's they may need some exercise or to lay off the booze, turn off and gid rid of the TV, or something.

As for Mr. Beck's trying to speak to Sutter as a gentleman, well that speak's volume's. If some one doesn't like a forum, but yet spend's allot of time whining at such a forum then perhaps they should leave and start their own.

The people who are moderating are volunteers and should use their gut felling's about poster's.

Every forum in the English speaking World that post's one word on jews will have a bevy of nutz and alphabet troll's, you can bet on it.

If they're jew-wise and been on here for over 60 days but still haven't contributed or distributed, then ban their useless, do-nothing-contribute-nothing-but-talk, parasitic asses to the op forum, til they do, is what I say.

This policy will automatically get rid of the crypto kikes, kike-alikes, irresponsible punks, and other subversives. And it'll cut down considerably on the effectiveness of their subversions of spreading divisiveness, misinformation, confusion, and demoralization among guests, new-bees, and the not-yet-jew-wise.

That would be in keeping with the "new forum." Paraphrasing Alex during the shutdown, "the new VNN forum will focus on activity, bring some money, sweat or technical know-how to the table or read and shut up, chatters begone."

"From my experience in studying the Jews through direct observation and the study of their Talmud and literature is this: You can't think too badly about the Jews because no matter how badly you think that they are, in fact and in reality, they are much, much worse than you could ever imagine."... Banjo Billy

That would be in keeping with the "new forum." Paraphrasing Alex during the shutdown, "the new VNN forum will focus on activity, bring some money, sweat or technical know-how to the table or read and shut up, chatterers begone."

I sympathize with the sentiment, but I disagree with the means.

This is Alex's website. He created it and pays the bills (at least partially or perhaps wholly with our monetary contributions). However, we -- chatterers, contributors, activists, (jews, trolls, idiots, negativists, hostiles), etc. -- constitute the forum. Limiting posters to the contributors and activists would bring the total number of posters down to about five.

Anyway...I've made my argument before about Alex's and Glenn's intention. I'll summarize my argument here. White Nationalism is a PROCESS that happens over time, not some one-time signed contract. For most WN's, that process looks something like this:

1. Cognitive dissonant anti-white political events gradually overcome his ability to bear the internal dissonance. The White man or woman begins personal research.

2. Now receptive, he discovers White Nationalist people and websites.

3. He begins to deepen his understanding by reading and, if he's lucky, talking to a real live WN -- but mostly via reading forum postings and debates]reading articles and books; listening to radio shows and recorded speeches and debates; watching WN videos.

4. He begins to CHAT in White forums. I'm going to amplify a bit on chatting. Chatting IS activism. Chatterers, if loyal and well-intentioned, ARE contributors. They form the body of the forum. They help lock in the newbies, including themselves -- by the mere act of chatting. They deepen their and other chatterers' understanding via debates and references. They help fellow WN's deal with life in the Kwa with their timely helpful advice. Chatterers further the White Cause -- both by self-development and aiding the development of other WN's.

5. But he begins to want to DO SOMETHING more.

6. He starts CONTRIBUTING MONEY.

7. He assesses his own strengths and weaknesses -- speaking, writing, courage, intelligence, wisdom (not necessarily the same as intelligence), expertise, physical charisma, fighting (physical warrior), etc.

8. He begins to find ways to use his strengths directly to further the Cause. He becomes an ACTIVIST.

Alex's and Glenn's proposal cuts this process off at the knees.

BIG MISTAKE.

Moreover, this process is completely individualized. The length of time varies with the circumstances, available time, who he knows, depth of brainwashing to overcome, personality, intelligence, etc. of the individual. To place, say, a 60 day time limit -- or any time limit at all -- on the process is ridiculous (sorry Glenn).

AND the ultimate degree and depth of his contribution and activism are dependent on his courage, the circumstances of his family, his health, the skeletons in his racial closet, his illegalities which may make him vulnerable to arrest, his former criminality (a good White man can be a Zog felon and remain a good White man), by what he can best contribute (his degree and type of contribution and activism are effectively circumscribed by his personal limitations and abilities), and so on. Not everyone has the wherewithal to be an all-out, to-hell-with-the-consequences Glenn Miller or a brave smooth fast-talking smart-as-a-whip Alex Linder. I'm glad Glenn Miller and Alex Linder are on our side -- but not many men can be them. The rest of us must be what we can be. And that's good enough.

Here's the bottom line. If you want to end up with the maximum number of contributors and activists at VNN, if you want VNN to be a viable and useful forum, you better allow the full process to unfold organically at the individual's own pace.

I sympathize with the sentiment, but I disagree with the means.

This is Alex's website. He created it and pays the bills (at least partially or perhaps wholly with our monetary contributions). However, we -- chatterers, contributors, activists, (jews, trolls, idiots, negativists, hostiles), etc. -- constitute the forum. Limiting posters to the contributors and activists would bring the total number of posters down to about five.

Anyway...I've made my argument before about Alex's and Glenn's intention. I'll summarize my argument here. White Nationalism is a PROCESS that happens over time, not some one-time signed contract. For most WN's, that process looks something like this:

1. Cognitive dissonant political events gradually overcome his ability to bear the internal dissonance. The White man or woman begins personal research.

2. Now receptive, he discovers White Nationalist people and websites.

3. He begins to deepen his understanding by reading and, if he's lucky, talking to a real live WN -- but mostly via reading forum postings and debates]reading articles and books; listening to radio shows and recorded speeches and debates; watching WN videos.

4. He begins to CHAT in White forums. I'm going to amplify a bit on chatting. Chatting IS activism. Chatterers, if loyal and well-intentioned, ARE contributors. They form the body of the forum. They help lock in the newbies, including themselves -- by the mere act of chatting. They deepen their and other chatterers' understanding via debates and references. They help fellow WN's deal with life in the Kwa with their timely helpful advice. Chatterers further the White Cause -- both by self-development and aiding the development of other WN's.

5. But he begins to want to DO SOMETHING more.

6. He starts CONTRIBUTING MONEY.

7. He assesses his own strengths and weaknesses -- speaking, writing, courage, intelligence, wisdom (not necessarily the same as intelligence), expertise, physical charisma, fighting (physical warrior), etc.

8. He begins to find ways to use his strengths directly to further the Cause. He becomes an ACTIVIST.

Alex's and Glenn's proposal cuts this process off at the knees.

BIG MISTAKE.

Moreover, this process is completely individualized. The length of time varies with the circumstances, available time, who he knows, depth of brainwashing to overcome, personality, intelligence, etc. of the individual. To place, say, a 60 day time limit -- or any time limit at all -- on the process is ridiculous (sorry Glenn).

AND the ultimate degree and depth of his contribution and activism is dependent on his courage, the circumstances of his family, his health, the skeletons in his racial closet, his illegalities which may make him vulnerable to arrest, his former criminality (a good White man can be a Zog felon and remain a good White man), by what he can best contribute (his degree and type of contribution and activism is effectively circumscribed by his personal limitations and abilities), and so on. Not everyone has the wherewithal to be an all-out, to-hell-with-the-consequences Glenn Miller or a brave smooth fast-talking smart-as-a-whip Alex Linder. I'm glad Glenn Miller and Alex Linder are on our side -- but not many men can be them. The rest of us must be what we can be. And that's good enough.

Here's the bottom line. If you want to end up with the maximum number of contributors and activists at VNN, if you want VNN to be a viable and useful forum, you better allow the full process to unfold organically at the individual's own pace.

Thanks for a well thought out and extremely insightful post, Devere.
I stand corrected. The pattern you listed is EXACTLY what happened in my particular case. The only difference was that I'm not sure VNN had a forum 5-6 years ago when I was becoming racially aware. At that time JewFront was still, I believe, inhabited by true WNs. (Since I was a newbie then, I could be mistaken) A couple years ago, I believe it was a natural progression to more hard-core WN site like VNN, so Alex and Rounder's idea seemed more likely then. However, if we are now going to try to bring the lemmings directly to VNN first, which given the current neo-kahn, crypto jew atmosphere on JF is a good idea, then I would have to totally agree with your statements. One suggestion though, once a poster tips his hand as being an anti or subversive, they be banned forever.
GREAT POST!

"From my experience in studying the Jews through direct observation and the study of their Talmud and literature is this: You can't think too badly about the Jews because no matter how badly you think that they are, in fact and in reality, they are much, much worse than you could ever imagine."... Banjo Billy