Sutter has contacted by via email and has his own side of the story of which is much different than Beck's. I think there needs to be posters confined to Opp but Sutter is not one of them. Before Porngate Sutter was a willing contributor to TAA and Linders mainpage contributing more than $700 usd.

Porc, Silverstein and others are obviously here to disrupt the WN process so a confining of them to Opp or Nutz is understandable.

Sutter has contacted by via email and has his own side of the story of which is much different than Beck's. I think there needs to be posters confined to Opp but Sutter is not one of them. Before Porngate Sutter was a willing contributor to TAA and Linders mainpage contributing more than $700 usd.

Porc, Silverstein and others are obviously here to disrupt the WN process so a confining of them to Opp or Nutz is understandable.

Todd, as I said in an earlier post, Sutter is not an anti but disgruntled and frustrated. Did you even read the post?

http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=447153&postcount=11

He is assigned to the Nutzpah forum. He can post all he likes, no moderation.

Though, the days of implying I am a Jew, Linder sabotaged TAA, Rounder is a moron, and Brutus is a psycho, and generally voicing his cynicism in "general discussion" and "just in" are finished.

Period.

All this feminine inspired banning has ruined this place. Sutter, myself or anyone else should be able to say that Beck is faggot kike and Rounder is a nigger-lover. If you gots thin skin, take it to SF. This is VNN. What the fuck happened heer? I remember a time when you could criticize Linder. F-VNNF

Devere, right on.

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=441605#post441605

C'mon Jeff Beck was a shagadyllic guitarist from the 60's and 70's. I can't see Doppelhaken picking that as his moniker.

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=441466#post441466

I guess the only way an "Activist" can earn your seal of approval is to "send you some freakin money".

Do you really think Geoff Beck is his real name? I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn. Being on VNN radio constitutes "activism"? Hell, we may as well bring back that idiot "Rob Roy Macgregor" to work his activist magic on VNN radio.

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=441462#post441462

Just exactly what activism are you talking about? The tabloid is dead. Shot in the heart by Linder himself. Linder and his crony Geoff ran most of the activist oriented people off of the board with their Nigger on blond porno stunt. Linder banned a long time proven activist with means and intelligence because of his big fucking ego. Geoff Beck talks on VNN radio and that is activism? No it is not. Linder takes care of his front page, and that's what he is good at. Is that activism? Not in my book it isn't. Please tell us what activism there is and just what would you have VNN members do. Apparently, now, Miller deems activism as sending him money. He does not ask for campaign contributions; he demands it under penalty of being harassed and labeled one of his immature names like "kike-alike", "punk" "crypto-kike" and so forth. The very fact that he can bray like an ass demanding money from everyone and calling them names at the same time tells me he does not have a snowball's chance in hell of winning. A new guy asked him a sincere and very reasonable question yesterday and Miller went off like a buffoon and flamed him for no reason.

Look, no fucking buddy is going to tell me what to do with my money or demand I send them "some freakin money".

And yes, what "activist" projects are you involved in? Sycophancy does not qualify as activism.

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=440982#post440982

I fail to see why this thread
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=39117
was moved to Nutzpuh. Was that you little Geoffy-pooh, trying to censure my criticism of you?

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=439865#post439865

Shhhh! You never know when the electric eye is watching. I hear he looks a lot like one of the other moderators.

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=435811#post435811

I think AM is doing exactly what Linder wants. Linder is unstable and he will turn on a friend in an instant. He has no sense of loyalty. The worm has turned on Rounder from Linder's standpoint, as it will for everyone who associates with him.

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=435808#post435808

The fact is Jim, like it or not, according to AM flame threads about an individual are not allowed. This one is apparently ok though.

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=435556#post435556

Notice how the moderator let those two newbies flame Rounder for a couple of days before banning one of them for show. This was deliberate on the part of the new authoritarian moderator. According to big brother AM these kinds of threads are no longer allowed. Let's see if he will remain consistently inconsistent.

Devere's analysis is excellent, as is Todd's point about Augustus Sutter's contributions.

I looked through AS' posts to which Geoff likely took umbrage. I like Devere's definitions of what constitutes activism. Certainly, I think Geoff's The Truth Is No Defense is a good example of same. I was disappointed that AS had posted so harshly about Alex when I saw it posted. But then AS has financially been around VNN for a long time.

Geoff, perhaps there is some validity to the "real name" issue. I happen to know Augustus Sutter's real given name, and I have probably heard his last name and forgotten it. I know Agis' name. It's understandable that some WN-- for obvious reasons-- cannot be known, or at least commonly known, by their real names. However, pseudonym upon pseudonym seems overly layered.

AS got a temp ban a few weeks past. Has he accrued so many violations since that time served? Is he not an activist based on his financial contributions and his posts (the latter having been defined by Devere)? Is he more deserving of a ban to Nutzpah than silverstein? How can Augustus Sutter even be thought by anyone to be in the same league-- or even held to a lower estimation-- than silverstein and some many other antis, jews and disrupters around here?

I was at SF from day one,but got banned for the dreaded N word.I've said anything I care too here and Ripped on broads as much as the next guy and still never seen a mod.Not once.

That's exactly the way it should be.To me, their invisible;but apparently quite effective(I wish I could say that about some other females I know).

The whole matter just seems ludicrous too me.The mods here seem to be fucking outstanding ,so far,until they bann me of course.

you got banned for typing the word Nigger on a self-proclaimed WN web forum??

That's an example of just how far we have been mentally beaten by the jews. So called racialists mind fucked by jews and niggers. What a bunch of worthless piece of crap SF is. No wonder our enemies do not respect whites anymore.

We are afraid little bunnies. Pathetic.

As for banning, I was amazed sliversteinWTC was on here for so long disrupting this forum. If not an outright kike jew, it was just another weirdo headcase. Doc martin was another loser.
Sutter is another old time VNNF member. There are so many not here anymore. If what you say is true Beck, I'm surprised he couldn't be a bit cordial and explain himself and just say he was frustrated. Which is pretty much on the mark. As we all are. But no reason to fight with your own people.

There are still a few subversive jewish spies on here, subtle types. But they will smoke themselves out sooner or later.

Itz a fine line trying to maintain real free speech. This is cyberspace afterall, and people say things they normally would never say to someone's face. Whites are mostly a polite race of people. We get along good together. But many of us are 'behind enemy lines' and many let off steam sparing with people.
Yet the forum was even more free wheeling and foul language and sarcasm was common for the first couple of years. Lots of weirdo characters have come and gone.
Free speech though is what makes VNN unique. I agree with Devere.

I vote to give Sutter another chance. Mods can't take their 'position' all that seriously. Just keep the trolls and jews out and leave us alone.

I believe that some people should be banned, but it is hard to deceide who, why? Well...

There will always be some commie infiltrator's that will try to do whatever is necessary to make us (the community) fight with each other and argue, argue and never stop arguing (that's how stormfront got hit).

Everyone try going to websites like:

http://www.pcgamer.com
http://www.gamespot.com
http://www.fevergaming.com
http://www.sixshot.com
...and so on..

Try posting something (anything) slighty related to niggers/jews and you WILL GET BANNED! Why? Simple, They control it.

P.S.

I (long ago) signed up to all of them just to see If I will be banned (for just intellectual posts, no bad language or anything threads) and I got banned within 1-2 posts from all of them and many more, more websites.

Thing is, They control most of the web.

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=441605#post441605

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=441466#post441466

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=441462#post441462

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=440982#post440982

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=439865#post439865

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=435811#post435811

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=435808#post435808

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=435556#post435556

Devere's analysis is excellent, as is Todd's point about Augustus Sutter's contributions.

I looked through AS' posts to which Geoff likely took umbrage. I like Devere's definitions of what constitutes activism. Certainly, I think Geoff's The Truth Is No Defense is a good example of same. I was disappointed that AS had posted so harshly about Alex when I saw it posted. But then AS has financially been around VNN for a long time.

Geoff, perhaps there is some validity to the "real name" issue. I happen to know Augustus Sutter's real given name, and I have probably heard his last name and forgotten it. I know Agis' name. It's understandable that some WN-- for obvious reasons-- cannot be known, or at least commonly known, by their real names. However, pseudonym upon pseudonym seems overly layered.

AS got a temp ban a few weeks past. Has he accrued so many violations since that time served? Is he not an activist based on his financial contributions and his posts (the latter having been defined by Devere)? Is he more deserving of a ban to Nutzpah than silverstein? How can Augustus Sutter even be thought by anyone to be in the same league-- or even held to a lower estimation-- than silverstein and some many other antis, jews and disrupters around here?

I want to make clear, that Sutter is not banned. He is assigned to Nutzpah, where he belongs. From there he can post his sarcastic and gossipy attacks on me and anyone else he chooses - with no moderation.

Many people are entertained by this sort of banter, I don't want to deprive them.

http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=443333&postcount=58
http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=442930&postcount=14
http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=443334&postcount=59
http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=438505&postcount=16
http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=435811&postcount=23

you got banned for typing the word Nigger on a self-proclaimed WN web forum??

That's an example of just how far we have been mentally beaten by the jews. So called racialists mind fucked by jews and niggers. What a bunch of worthless piece of crap SF is. No wonder our enemies do not respect whites anymore.

Stormfront discourages deurogatory terms. They feel the forum loses credibility when it becomes excessive. I can understand their thinking. Still, it's nice to have a forum where one can cut loose.

As far as Augustus I think he should be given full reign of the forum once again. I think he's one of the best posters here.

Devere's post is a brilliant beam of light!

Also, I’d like to say:

A couple of times, I’ve piled into someone who didn’t warrant it. Much to my chagrin.

I think many of us are frustrated to varying degrees and sometimes we allow that frustration to get the better of us. This goes part and parcel with being racially aware and seeing the filth and being unable to instantaneously rid ourselves of it. We are wallowing in a sea of morons and it makes us angry when we can't make them see the truth. Sometimes we blow a gasket. There are times when I’ve written a response to a post and I’ve not posted it. I’ve walked away from the computer and given myself a little time to rethink my response, often coming back and tempering my words.

.

Wrote Geoff Beck:

I want to make clear, that Sutter is not banned. He is assigned to Nutzpah, where he belongs. From there he can post his sarcastic and gossipy attacks on me and anyone else he chooses - with no moderation.

Many people are entertained by this sort of banter, I don't want to deprive them.

Augustus Sutter is an irreverent wit. He's damn funny. He's damn smart. He can cut you to the quick and burst your carefully sculptured bubble in ten strokes of his keyboard.

Augustus Sutter is a White Patriot -- and VNN and its appeal and value are diminished in my eyes and mind by his confinement to the Nutzpah Forum. I don't want to go to and probably won't often go to the Nutzpah Forum to get his take on things -- and I don't know if he will go there much or for long either. I want his take on things I and others say right here and everywhere on VNN.

Here's the thing, Geoff. You seem to me a good pro-White White man. You are not diminished in my eyes by Augustus's or anyone's calling you a jew and a fake. I appreciate your contributions. They stand on their own -- and stand strong. You are diminished in my eyes by your banning/confining a good White Man because he questions you and criticizes you. That's the act of a man with more power than he should have.

Wrote Geoff Beck:

Augustus Sutter is an irreverent wit. He's damn funny. He's damn smart. He can cut you to the quick and burst your carefully sculptured bubble in ten strokes of his keyboard.

Augustus Sutter is a White Patriot -- and VNN and its appeal and value are diminished in my eyes and mind by his confinement to the Nutzpah Forum. I don't want to go to and probably won't often go to the Nutzpah Forum to get his take on things -- and I don't know if he will go there much or for long either. I want his take on things I and others say right here and everywhere on VNN.

Here's the thing, Geoff. You seem to me a good pro-White White man. You are not diminished in my eyes by Augustus's or anyone's calling you a jew and a fake. I appreciate your contributions. They stand on their own -- and stand strong. You are diminished in my eyes by your banning/confining a good White Man because he questions you and criticizes you. That's the act of a man with more power than he should have.

Damn, I'm impressed Devere. Really, do you recall that scene in Schindler's List when the Jew is telling the camp guard about the real meaning of power? He thinks he has convinced the guard to be lenient. Then in the next scene he shoots dead a prisoner. Really, that brought tears to my eyes.

I'm so moved I'm unbanning Silverstein WTC!

Wrote Geoff Beck:

Augustus Sutter is an irreverent wit. He's damn funny. He's damn smart. He can cut you to the quick and burst your carefully sculptured bubble in ten strokes of his keyboard.

Augustus Sutter is a White Patriot -- and VNN and its appeal and value are diminished in my eyes and mind by his confinement to the Nutzpah Forum. I don't want to go to and probably won't often go to the Nutzpah Forum to get his take on things -- and I don't know if he will go there much or for long either. I want his take on things I and others say right here and everywhere on VNN.

Here's the thing, Geoff. You seem to me a good pro-White White man. You are not diminished in my eyes by Augustus's or anyone's calling you a jew and a fake. Likewise, Alex Linder and Glenn Miller are not diminished in my eyes by Augustus's quick sharp cuts. I appreciate your -- and Alex's and Glenn's -- contributions. They stand on their own -- and stand strong. You (and Alex and Glenn) are diminished in my eyes by your banning/confining a good White Man because he questions you (and them) and criticizes you (and them).

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Devere again."

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Wrote Geoff Beck:

Augustus Sutter is an irreverent wit. He's damn funny. He's damn smart. He can cut you to the quick and burst your carefully sculptured bubble in ten strokes of his keyboard.

Augustus Sutter is a White Patriot -- and VNN and its appeal and value are diminished in my eyes and mind by his confinement to the Nutzpah Forum. I don't want to go to and probably won't often go to the Nutzpah Forum to get his take on things -- and I don't know if he will go there much or for long either. I want his take on things I and others say right here and everywhere on VNN.

Here's the thing, Geoff. You seem to me a good pro-White White man. You are not diminished in my eyes by Augustus's or anyone's calling you a jew and a fake. Likewise, Alex Linder and Glenn Miller are not diminished in my eyes by Augustus's quick sharp cuts. I appreciate your -- and Alex's and Glenn's -- contributions. They stand on their own -- and stand strong. You (and Alex and Glenn) are diminished in my eyes by your banning/confining a good White Man because he questions you (and them) and criticizes you (and them).

And sometimes/often, Augustus Sutter's take on things is the TRUTH. I'll give an example. His open criticism of Alex for "Pornogate." I forget the details of Augustus's position, but I think his oppositional stance was the correct one. The truth about our leaders deserves to be expressed -- and listened to -- especially by our leaders.

And what effect did his truth have on my opinion of Alex? Nothing fatal. He verbalized things I thought. In that sense, Augustus's comments had no impact on me. I continued and continue to post here. I continue to admire Alex. I continue to appreciate VNN and am thankful to Alex for creating it. I continue to appreciate all the various White things Alex does.

Yes, Alex made a mistake. Yes, he should have just admitted it and gone on. If you live long enough and do enough things, you are going to make mistakes. His first mistake was unfortunately compounded by his not admitting it -- and, consequently, by the loss of a number of damn good White Patriots from VNN. That was mistaken judgment on Alex's part. I imagine he, being a smart man, has learned from both the first mistake and the second.

I don't want Augustus punished for openly verbalizing things I thought -- and didn't say. I didn't say them, by the way, because I try not to get involved in personal-type topics and disputes at VNN. Obviously, I'm making an exception here -- both because I think a mistake has been made and an injustice done and because of the general principle that good White men should not EVER be punished for speaking Truth (as they see it). Don't we get enough of that kind of punishment from Zog?

I'm so moved I'm unbanning Silverstein WTC!

I'm outa here!