VNN has little interest in continuing the flaming. If SF were as big and awesome as they say it is, they would follow the number one rule of brand competition which as we learn in marketing 101 is ignore the competition and never mention them if you are a brand leader. But, there at SF in the past week while VNN was down, Mr Black took plenty of pot shots at VNN. Nice that he's taken an interest in our forum.

Now, Moose, we all know about Dominica, but what is this you refer to in B? Whether Mr Black likes VNN or not, we don't want to let an allegation like that go unproven. Let's have your proof of that if any. If you can't prove it then you should really withdraw the comment because it's bad enough with all the baloney the Jews make up about White Nationalists without us making stuff up too. But, if it's fact, then let's have the proofs. This would be news to me.

I see this but does anybody have confirmation in the form of personal knowledge or media or court records? Otherwise I have to consider it just a rumour.

http://wnwiki.ath.cx/index.php/Don_Black

Early History
Was shot by Jerry Ray, brother of James Earl Ray, in 1970 when he burglarized the office of JB Stoner of the National State's Rights Party, allegedly on orders from, at that time, American Nazi Party youth leader David Duke.

Even if that's true, I don't see it as a big deal what he did thirty six years ago in some factional squabble. If anything we can see that Don Black is serious about his beliefs, which is to his credit, even if he likes to insult VNN for no good reason.

I'm glad we're back , Alex is a fighter and everyone on his team that works for VNN too.
Don just said on the SF thread in a reply to John Flynn , "you should calm down, we're on the same side." That's all that counts, it's good he said that to John and really everybody on VNN. These are just petty arguments and there's some truth on both sides I think. VNN needs to tone down some of the language here so that whites that come here will have respect for white nationalists and what we stand for. And Stormfront should stop criticisizing us so much and being so self-righteous and calling us bad names. We are on the same side and if things ever do fall apart in this country, thats who we will be turning to first, the SF members. I like VNN and SF and I just figure that Alex and Don will have to work this out eventually, not us, the regular members. We are on the same side.

I like VNN and SF and I just figure that Alex and Don will have to work this out eventually, not us, the regular members. We are on the same side.

I live in a split house, I like VNN, the sugardaddy likes SF. What can ya do?:rolleyes:

I look at it as many others, it's a good cop, bad cop situation.

I am always the bad cop in my family so VNN suits me.

I see this but does anybody have confirmation in the form of personal knowledge or media or court records? Otherwise I have to consider it just a rumour.

I want no part in any of this intra-WN bashing bullshit. I will however confirm the historical fact in question for you with a post from Mr. Black:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=132187

Even if that's true, I don't see it as a big deal what he did thirty six years ago in some factional squabble. If anything we can see that Don Black is serious about his beliefs, which is to his credit

Agreed.

Bump

" They are building concentration camps for us and the non-whites will be the guards". Kevin Strom

Antiochus Epiphanes,

You brought up Marketing 101, so here is the old marketing professor’s spin on the “war.”

Don Black’s primary point is Glenn Miller’s past, which Miller not only admits, but also delights in debating. Miller has “high negatives” and always will.

On the other hand, Miller has “high positives” with a small segment, which centers on VNN. Miller’s presence here automatically polarized VNN into two camps.

We were both here when Miller started his prolific posting; I would call it spamming. He carefully focused attention on himself, then switched that focus to his newspaper. Miller dragged Alex Linder, screaming and kicking, into the newspaper business. Miller even posted his personal correspondence to Linder on VNN.

The war over Miller drove a large segment out of VNN, leaving a vacuum, which Miller filled. It was not a coup by Billy Roper, but by Glenn Miller. It was obvious to me at the time.

I had no dog in that fight, and I have no dog in the VNN versus Stormfront fight. Nor am I criticizing Miller for doing it or for Linder for allowing it to happen. But it did happen.

It is little wonder that Black sees VNN as the Glenn Miller Show centered on Miller’s newspaper. I see VNN as the Glenn Miller Show. For example, whenever someone attacks VNN, the most common defense is “We publish and produce Miller’s tabloid.”

Stormfront’s potential competition is not VNN but White Survival forum. VNN is much larger than WS, but VNN’s segment barely overlaps with Stormfront’s. There is much overlap between Stormfront and WS, and White Survival has a much higher per capita quality than any other White forum. However, White Survival is tiny, not even a blip on my radar (yet).

In retailing terms, but from a manufacturers’ perspective, Stormfront is a mass merchandiser (Wal-Mart), VNN is a specialty chain (Victoria’s Secret), and White Survival is a local dealer in authentic classic Grecian antiques.

So who does manufacturer sell his product through? If you’re trying to sell a product with Alex Linder’s self-described image of “sunsets, tits and beer,” then Victoria’s Secret might be first choice. If you want to sell light bulbs or alkaline batteries, Wal-Mart is first choice because the “own the market.”

Almost all of those involved in the VNN versus Stormfront debate look at the fight from a customer’s perspective of retailers. Thus, it’s I love Victoria’s Secret, because they have the sexy merchandise, and I hate Wal-Mart because it’s just a big unfocused mass merchandiser appealing to a bunch of commoners. Or I hate Victoria’s Secret because only potty-mouth whores shop there, and they have only one product line, but I love Wal-Mart because they have a big selection.

Apparently no one, but me, takes the perspective of: “I have a product to sell through a retailer, so what retailer should I focus on?” That tells me that almost everyone is buyer of ideas and not a seller.

--Bob DeMarais