It always pisses me off how the Jews use censorship to prevent information about the Jews being made available to the public, and how willing other people are to help the Jews eliminate freedom of speech.

The following lengthy exchange is copied from a now deleted thread I started on the genetic testing website 23andMe. I post it here in its entirety as an example of the heavy-handedness Jews have in censoring what should be public information:

“How many here are all-European?”

Posted by Southern Scotsman in General Ancestry

When I recently received my DNA results from 23andMe showing that all of my ancestors were European in origin and that I have 0.0% non-European DNA, I really wasn't too surprised, given the fact that my known ancestors who came over to America mostly in the 1600's all settled in the Southern states among mostly rural populations where everyone else tended to be from the same or similar background - i.e. Scots-Irish, English, Welsh, etc. - the most exotic of my known ancestors being a man named Bartolomeo Taliaferro who was born in Venice, Italy, and immigrated to London, England, in the 1500's where he married an English wife and his grandson later brought the Taliaferro name to colonial Virginia in the 1600's; who I am assuming probably accounts for most the 2.4% of Southern European DNA that I have, while the rest is 96.9% Northern European and 0.6% Nonspecific European.

So I was wondering how typical such results are among other White Americans who have had their DNA tested here at 23andMe, and if you have similar results, what part of the country are you from/did your family settle in? Are people from other parts of the United States more diverse than us Southerners? Or are there other parts of the US that have managed to maintain a predominantly European genetic makeup among their populations as well?

Apr 23, 2013 (2 days ago)

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S99H99:

Your results may turn out to be more atypical for Americans with pre-1776 ancestors who settled in the "south". Many of us with colonial ancestry have small portions of SSA or even North Africa/ME segments assigned in AC.

Apr 23, 2013 ( 2 days ago )

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Dave123:

I'm English, Irish, Scotch, Welsh, and German in my ancestry, and have only a tiny smidgen of DNA outside of Europe.

Conservative:
99.3% European
00.7% Unassigned

Standard:
99.6% European
00.4% Unassigned

Speculative:
99.9% European
00.1% Unassigned
<0.1% Subsaharan African

Apr 23, 2013 ( 2 days ago )

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Southern Scotsman:

@S99H99:

I'm not really sure how typical or atypical my all-European DNA results are for Americans of colonial descent, which I suppose is what I am wondering. Part of it may be due to the fact that most of my ancestors seem to have avoided living in cities, preferring instead more rural locations where their neighbors tended to be from the same (mostly British Isles) background as themselves.

I still live in the same small, southern town that my paternal ancestors settled in back in 1862, with some of my other family lines having lived here in the same Alabama county since 1820. The area I live in is also just inside the foothills of the Appalachian region, so slavery was never very prevalent here as much as it was to the south and east of the Appalachians; consequently the number of African-Americans in the area has remained relatively small and traditionally segregated until quite recently.

Apr 23, 2013 ( 2 days ago )

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Sonny Lee:

I am African American but many of the people I share with have small amounts of SSA or fewer Native

Apr 23, 2013 ( 2 days ago )

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Sonny Lee:

It's not uncommon to see people who 99.7% European and .1% or .2% Sub Saharan African

Apr 23, 2013 ( 2 days ago )

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Southern Scotsman:

@Sonny Lee:

Yes, I read an interesting series of articles written a year or two ago by L.A. Times reporter Joe Mozingo, about his efforts to track down the origin of his rather unusual family name, which as it turns out was introduced to America by an African indentured servant named Richard Mozingo, who lived in colonial Virgina in the 1600's, and had successfully sued for his freedom, due to being held in servitude several years beyond his agreed to indenture.

Richard Mozingo apparently went on to marry a white woman and started a family whose later generations included descendants who were mostly white, while other lines of the family remained mostly black, accounting for the various Mozingo descendants of both races that are found in America today.

Not a family that I am related to, but it is an interesting story.

I was actually more surprised to find a complete lack of any Native American DNA in my ancestry, as there were always rumors that this or that ancestor was part Indian. My great grandfather even had a cousin who, back in the late 1800's went so far as to solicit affidavits from family members attesting to some supposed Cherokee ancestry in order for him to qualify as a land-holder in Salisaw Indian territory in Oklahoma. The government rejected his claims however since he was unable to prove descent from the claimed Indian ancestor "Forked-Tail Watts."

Apparently the government was correct in rejecting his claims, since I have 0.0% Native American or East Asian DNA; but I still have plenty of relatives on that side of the family who cling to their belief that they are part Cherokee, even though the males of that family line all have R1b1b2a1a1* just like I do.

Apr 23, 2013 ( 2 days ago )

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little bit:

Only 2 of my 7 profiles come up as 100% European on every setting (conservative, standard, and speculative), though all of us self-identify as 100% European:

My Polish mother-in-law: She's used as a reference sample and shows up as 100% Eastern European on every setting.

My mother - 1/4 German; 1/4 Northern Irish; 1/4 English; 1/4 American Colonial (Southern States)

The rest of us:

Me: .1% Native American. American colonial, Southern (KY, TN) from my father and European great grandparents on my mother's side. One great grandparent is "Pennsylvania Dutch."

My daughter: .1% Native American and .1% North African

My son: .1% North African, only on speculative

My husband: .1% North African, only on speculative. He's half Polish; 1/4 German; 1/4 Irish. No American Colonial.

My maternal grandfather: .1% South Asian, he's half English/half American Colonial. Small bits of South Asian is pretty common for English, for some reason.

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Southern Scotsman:

@little bit:

I wonder if the small percentage of South Asian that you say is not unusual for some English to have might be due to having Roma (Gypsy) ancestry, as the Roma or Gypsies originated in India but have a long history of wandering throughout Europe and England. I understand that the silent-film actor, Charlie Chaplin, was part Roma.

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little bit:

Could be but I've wondered if the gene flow isn't the other way around. I've wondered if the reference samples (S Asian, Native American, North African) could have distant European from the days of European imperialism which is getting picked up by some of us. Due to the quirks of recombination, even those with known admixture don't always pick up the segments from the non-European ancestor. It could be working the other way for some of us.

Either way, I don't put much stock in these less-than-one-percent matches. Just as likely to be statistical noise.

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Southern Scotsman:

@little bit:

I doubt that the British having colonized India and other parts of the world would be likely to account for an American of colonial British ancestry such as yourself having a small fractional amount of South Asian DNA; since British colonization of those areas was so recent, it wouldn't have had time to be diluted to that miniscule extent within just a few generations.

Add to that fact that most Americans of colonial British stock wouldn't have had ancestors that went to India or other parts of South Asia and had mixed offspring with natives of those areas who would then have had to go on to America. It seems more likely that if South Asian DNA shows up in fractional amounts in some of the English, it would have been introduced into England at a much earlier period; the Gypsies being the obvious possibility that comes to mind.

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little bit:

I don't have S. Asian, my half British grandfather has S. Asian, his mother was born in London in 1908. I am the one with mainly American Colonial and I have the Native American segment. It could be real but at .1% I'd be hard-pressed to narrow down an ancestor that far back.

Apr 23, 2013 ( 2 days ago )

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Southern Scotsman:

@little bit:

I see. In that case, I suppose it's possible that your English great-grandmother could have had an ancestor in colonial India who married an Englishman and whose descendants ended up back in England, but given the fact that it's only .1% it seems that a great many generations would still have to have passed in order for it to be diluted down to that low a level. Unless, that is, the hypothetical Indian ancestor belonged to a high-caste ethnic group like the Parsi, who are predominantly Aryan with very little admixture from the darker Dravidian inhabitants of India.

I would imagine that having .1% Native American DNA would mean that your most recent Native American ancestor would have had to have had offspring with a European sometime back in the early 1600's in order for it to be reduced down to .1% in your generation, if it isn't just genetic "background noise" as you say.

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Dana B:

I'm 99.9% European and <0.1 Native American. I don't put a whole lot of stock in that tiny amount, so it's probably noise. In split view it shows coming from my dad but he does not have it in his AC.

My dad is 99.7% European and 0.3% South Asian which shows up even in conservative mode. I have no idea where that came from. I never went about researching any possibilities though.

There was a thread talking about this here.
https://www.23andme.com/you/community/thread/16311/

Apr 23, 2013 ( 1 day ago )

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Islander2:

On Standard I am 99.4% European, .4% unassigned and .2% W. African and Middle Eastern.On Speculative 99.6% European and on Conservative 98.3 European and 1.7% unassigned.I am a Canadian with mostly American Colonial ancestry except for 1 great grandmother born in Germany. Dr. McDonald shows me as 100% European.

There is a family story of my maternal grandfather having a Cheyenne great grandmother but no sign of it so perhaps just a myth.

Apr 23, 2013 ( 1 day ago )

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tomatillo:

I am sharing genomes with about 250 people, I think mostly Southerners, and I would say well over 50% of those who are not African American have some non-European admixture, usually Sub-Saharan African and, to a far lesser extent, Native American.

I also have Southern roots (most significantly in rural southeast Georgia), and show 1.4% Sub-Saharan African and 1.1% Native American in speculative view. Below this, I have a speck each of South Asian (0.2%) and North African (0.1%).

I also enjoyed that Mozingo article. I am managing a kit for a friend in FTDNA who has deep VA roots, and he has three matches with that surname.

Apr 23, 2013 ( 1 day ago )

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Southern Scotsman:

In my Ancestry Composition on the conservative estimate, it shows that 98.8% of my DNA is European and 1.2% is unassigned, with 0.0% 0.0% Middle Eastern & North African; 0.0% Sub-Saharan African; 0.0% South Asian; 0.0% East Asian & Native American; and 0.0% Oceanian.

On the standard estimate it shows that 99.5% of my DNA is European; 0.5% is Unassigned; 0.0% Middle Eastern & North African; 0.0% Sub-Saharan African; 0.0% South Asian; 0.0% East Asian & Native American; and 0.0% Oceanian.

While on the speculative estimate it shows that 99.9% of my DNA is European; 0.1% is Unassigned; 0.0% Middle Eastern & North African; 0.0% Sub-Saharan African; 0.0% South Asian; 0.0% East Asian & Native American; and 0.0% Oceanian

I guess the real question is what is the 0.1% - 1.2% Unassigned DNA, since it apparently does not match up with any of the recognizable categories?

I see Islander2 who responded also has some unassigned DNA; does anyone else have unassigned DNA that isn't matched up to an identifiable race-group?

What is involved in getting Dr. MacDonald to look at your DNA results for his assessment and how does one get in touch with him?

Apr 23, 2013 ( 1 day ago )

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CobraChick:

I don't see the standard, speculative and conservative views anymore? My breakdown is 99.9% European. I believe with the old view standard was 99.6, and speculative was 99.9.

Dr. McDonald's report came back as 99.6% English with .04 of something north of there.

I have to say, I was hoping for something a little more interesting than this! But in researching my ancestry, other than the 3 relatives I know came from Germany and Switzerland , they were all Brit, Irish & Scot. I'm starting to think my German relatives weren't native to Germany after all. Their name isn't necessarily German.

Apr 23, 2013 ( 1 day ago )

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Southern Scotsman:
@CobraChick:

It may be that in some cases the genetic difference between German and English is very little to none, due to the fact that the ancestors of the English - the Angles and Saxons - came over to Britain from Germany in the mid 400's AD.

Britain, like most European countries, was invaded numerous times by various different European ethnic groups - Gaels from Ireland, Romans from Southern Europe, Vikings from Scandinavia, Normans, etc. Just about every European country has experienced population changes due to migrations and invasions in the past 2000+ years.

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STEFAN1:

My ancestors were mostly colonists in Georgia and South Carolina. 99.8% European/ 0.1% South Asian/ 0.1% Unassigned. I was a little surprised to learn that I don't have Native American being that some of my ancestors have been in the New World 350 years!

Apr 23, 2013 ( 1 day ago )

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ReginaStar:

From GA going way back to early colonial times 1.7% SSA .2% Native American.

My maternal granddad is 1% SSA. He did not pass me his SSA. I got mine from my father.

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STEFAN1:

I attribute my 0.1% South Asian to ancient DNA in common with Indo Europeans. Either it has to do with Indo Europeans or it is "noise." That makes me 99.9% European.... My British Irish ancestry has dropped from 13.5% to 11.5%.

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S99H99:

It's important to remember that after about 5 generations you start to lose genetic connection to some ancestors. This is because recombination results in large sections of DNA recombining, as opposed to something more fine grained.

On my family tree I have a NA ancestor... in the early 1600's. No ancestry composition using the 23andMe data shows any NA segments, which isn't surprising. Maybe the pedigree is in error, or maybe the DNA just didn't make it far enough downstream to me.

Apr 23, 2013 ( 1 day ago )

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mountainWolf:

Well, in conservative mode the current best guesstimate is 2.6% British/Irish, 64.3% non-specific northern European, 0.2% non-specific southern European, 32.3% non specific European and 0.5% unassigned. Standard and speculative I pick up a little south Asian and still have a bit of unassigned even in speculative. I'm southern Appalachian.

I don't really have a lot of time for recreational statistical research so this is speculative but I think most of the reason my results tend toward non-specific mush is that I'm far too many generations removed from the groups they're trying to map me into. Roughly 10-15, my family was packing them in like sardines for awhile. I have a g-grandmother who married at 13 and, for balance, a g-g-grandfather who married at 12. I don't even want to know what was up with that, I think both of those would be felonies now. Those are the only really creepy ones but for about 150 years almost everyone in my tree had two or three kids before they were 20.

I also have some distant native ancestry (documented - 1/64th) which doesn't show in the analysis but could still be throwing a wrench into the works.

Also - Unassigned doesn't mean a segment didn't match any group. It means it matched more than one but none of the groups that were matched was above the cutoff for the category. So for my 0.5% unassigned in conservative it means that 0.5% of my segments were less than a 90% match to any group. It could be because they're from a sub-population not represented in the dataset that's genetically somewhere between the populations that are or it could be that the segment is composed of chunks inherited from different population groups. The segment breakpoints in the analysis are arbitrary and unlikely to match up exactly with the divisions between chunks of DNA you inherited from different ancestors.

Apr 23, 2013 ( 1 day ago )

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STEFAN1:

My YDNA and mtDNA are also inconsistent with Native American ancestry.

Apr 23, 2013 ( 1 day ago )

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Southern Scotsman:

I found an interesting (though somewhat dated) article that touches on some of this at: http://www.isteve.com/2002_how_white_are_blacks.htm From the article:

"It appears that 70 percent of whites have no African ancestors.....Among self-identified whites in Shriver's sample, the average black admixture is only 0.7 percent. That's the equivalent of having among your 128 great-great-great-great-great-*grandparents (who lived around two centuries ago), 127 whites and one black."

"In contrast, African-Americans are much more racially mixed than European-Americans.....Shriver*'s project is not complete, but with data from 25 sites already in, he is coming up with 17-18 percent white ancestry among African-Americans. That's the equivalent of 106 of those 128 of your ancestors from seven generations ago having been Africans and 22 Europeans."

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STEFAN1:

I would say after looking at my test results that I am almost completely European descent. The South Asian is probably remains of some ancient ancestry and is not related to Romany. I guess this testing can reveal what ethnic DNA a person has but not what he doesn't have.

Apr 24, 2013 ( 1 day ago )

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Islander2:

@Southern Scotsman - Most of my colonial ancestors were poor and farmers or farmers daughters. Many were Quakers. Do you think maybe because they or their neighbors couldn't afford or were morally opposed to slavery there would have been less opportunity to admix? Also farming, especially in those days, was somewhat isolating and time consuming did they have the time or opportunity to do much socializing except at church or with neighbors. I have been working on a family tree and am a little startled at the number of marriages between next-farm-over neighbors. In one case 3 brothers marrying 3 sisters.

Perhaps no Jewish ancestry for the same reason, there doesn't seem to have been many Jewish farmers.

Apr 24, 2013 ( 1 day ago )

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Southern Scotsman:

@Islander2:

I think most of the "mixing" that occurred between whites and black slaves in those days was carried out between white men of indiscriminate taste and morals and black slave women; so the offspring of such unions - mulattoes - were born into slavery themselves, although because of their lighter appearance they were often the household servants rather than field-laborers.

Most of the slave-owners tended to be of British (English, Scots-Irish) descent; probably because that is the dominant ethnic group that populates the South. The Germans and Scandinavians were rarely slave-owners. But Germans also seem to have preferred the North and mostly avoided the South as a rule of thumb.

Jews were very much involved in the slave trade from the very beginning, in fact, they started it. Although Jews have always been a small fraction of the American population (about 2%), throughout the eighteenth century, into the early nineteenth, Jews in the North were to own black servants; in the South, the few plantations owned by Jews were tilled with slave labor. In 1820, over 75 percent of all Jewish families in Charleston, Richmond, and Savannah owned slaves, employed as domestic servants; almost 40 percent of all Jewish householders in the United States owned one slave or more.

In Charleston, Richmond and Savannah the large majority (over three-fourths) of the Jewish households contained one or more slaves. By 1790 at least 83 percent of Jewish households in Charleston owned slaves; in Baltimore, only one out of three households were slaveholding; in New York, one out of eighteen. Among the slaveholding households the median number of slaves owned ranged from five in Savannah to one in New York.

Some Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews had liaisons with enslaved African or free women of color, with resulting mixed-race children. In some cases, the men had extended common-law marriages and provided support and education for their children, as did David Isaacs in Charlottesville, Virginia in his long life with Nancy West. In other cases, they abandoned the mixed-race women and children before going on to marry officially, often to Jewish women. This was the case with Baron Judah, who as a young man sired the mother of the abolitionist Robert Purvis, and left her and her mother to marry a Jewish woman.

David Levy Yulee, the first Jewish member of the United States Senate, and a member of the Confederate Congress during the American Civil War, founded a 5,100-acre sugar cane plantation along the Homosassa River in Florida. The Yulee Sugar Mill began operating in 1851 to process the sugar cane grown by Yulee in the rich lowlands along the Homosassa River. Using the labors of 69 slaves, Yulee built the mill of hewn Florida limestone, brick and wood. By the time of the Civil War, the Yulee Sugar Mill was employing the labors of more than 100 slaves when in full operation.

Judah Philip Benjamin, a Jew who served in cabinet level positions in the Confederate States of America, including Secretary of War and Secretary of State, purchased a sugar cane plantation in Belle Chasse, Louisiana, in 1833 along with 150 slaves.

Apr 24, 2013 ( 1 day ago )

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tomatillo:

In reference to this quote:

"It appears that 70 percent of whites have no African ancestors.....Among self-identified whites in Shriver's sample, the average black admixture is only 0.7 percent. That's the equivalent of having among your 128 great-great-great-great-great-**grandparents (who lived around two centuries ago), 127 whites and one black."

This is inaccurate. Having no African admixture is no proof that you "have no African ancestors", just as having no Native American admixture does not prove that you have no Native American ancestors, as so many in 23andMe insist they have. It is possible for an ancestor's DNA to be completely absent from a descendant's genome after only 5 or so generations, and many Southerners have ancestry going much farther back than that in the US.

Apr 24, 2013 ( 1 day ago )

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oceanboy:

Yep, 23andme can prove you have ancestry, but they can't prove you do not have ancestry. At least not for periods going back about five or more generations.

Apr 24, 2013 ( 23 hours ago )

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Southern Scotsman:
@tomatillo,

As recessive as white European genes are, and as dominant as Sub-Saharan African and East Asian genes are; I don't think it is realistic to think that a certain ancestor's genes would "vanish" from someone's DNA in five or so generations, while it is still possible for them to statistically measure Neanderthal ancestry and that was tens of thousands of years ago.

I think many people have grown up hearing family tales about great grandparents who were 1/4 Cherokee or whatever (it's almost always Cherokee for some reason), and even after having their DNA tested and finding out that they have no Native American or East Asian ancestry at all, they still refuse to accept it and write off the negative results as a mistake or some sort of flaw in the test.

The same may well be true for people who have grown up hearing that they had a little African American blood in them as well. There are people who see it as being exotic and trendy, and who find being 100% vanilla square and boring.

I don't think that admixture of that sort would vanish after even 10 generations or more if other types of European ancestry genes don't disappear over time.

BTW, the excerpt that was quoted came from a United Press International (UPI) article.

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STEFAN1:

I can't prove that I am pure European, but my gut feeling about these DNA test results is that I'm nearly 100% European descent. My South Asian result is like a relic, or it is noise. I should have claimed exotic ancestry to begin with, and some 23andMe followers would have panned me for that instead. You don't win for losing on the 23andMe boards...

Apr 24, 2013 ( 17 hours ago )

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mountainWolf:

@Scotsman - all modern humans are more closely related to each other than any modern humans are related to Neanderthals so those tend to stand out a bit.

With autosomal DNA you aren't talking about genetic variations that only occur in one population - they occur in all populations. Some versions are just more common in some populations than in others - that's the root of the statistics used. And after 10 generations the admixture may or may not vanish - you don't inherit DNA from all of your ancestors, if you did you'd need a suitcase to carry the DNA. But - it may also be retained and not detected. If you shuffle the deck enough times and try to label segments of arbitrary length as belonging to one population or another the statistical analysis will become progressively less distinct and minor admixture may not be picked up as a majority component of a segment even if bits of it are still in your genes.

Apr 24, 2013 ( 17 hours ago )

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tomatillo:

@Scotsman:

Someone else can explain it better than I can, but prehistoric Neanderthal DNA is measured a different way from recent ethnic DNA in Ancestry Composition. There are no Neanderthal "blocks" in your Ancestry Composition because the Neanderthal markers are mixed throughout the genome of modern humans. If you want to take it back even farther, you could say all human DNA is African.

The process of recombination is responsible for what segments you inherited from your recent ancestors (all of which contains Neanderthal markers), and it has nothing to do with dominant or recessive genes. Recombination cannot favor one ethnic group or race over another, although you will hear people say fanciful things, like "Welsh DNA is very sticky!" LOL

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ReginaStar:

You most certainly lose DNA with every generation and therefore loose most of your far ancestors DNA. According to 23andme my maternal grandfather is only 43% of my maternal side. That means I inherited less than 25% of his DNA. As I mentioned earlier he had SSA DNA that did NOT pass to me. If you are looking for another racial group to be included in your DNA you basically need about as a much as full blooded whatever race person to be on your tree in the last 5 generations. Otherwise they may not show up at all. If your Native American ancestors are from the 1600's then they are not likely to show up in your dna.

African Americans have alot of European admixture due to white men raping and sleeping with their slaves. Those slaves mixed back with other African Americans for the most part.

Europeans having African admixture is often the result of white women having mixed race children. That didn't happen no where near as often but it happened in every community throughout the south. The first part is before interracial marriage was illegal white women were largely responsible for free mulattoes. Slave status was the status of the mother not their race. These mulatto children either married white or most often married other mulattoes which is where the melungeon came from. Before it was illegal to free slaves most slaves that were freed were the children of white men like Thomas Jefferson's children with Sally Hemmings who married white.

And while some may be in disbelief yes white women procreated with both free people of color and slaves during slavery. There is many records of this. Namely b/c the children would sometimes have to fight for their freedom by showing proof their their mom was white. Other cases were of white men trying to divorce their wives b/c they had mulatto children. Although divorce was not always granted and they were sometimes to forced to pay for their wives children. In many cases these slaves were actually white by today's standard. Meaning the far majority of their ancestry was European and their phenotype was white.

Each state has blood quantum laws. You were legally white therefore legally able to marry white if you were 7/8, 15/16, 31/32 white. So this is one way whites got SSA ancestry. Another is b/c after slavery ended some of those who were white (although legally mulatto and later legally black) identified as white. They denied black ancestry and even sometimes claimed native american ancestry to explain certain features. And lastly the melungeon population for the most part mixed back with whites in the last century.

My understanding is that Southern whites are far more likely to have SSA ancestry and native. One b/c Southerns roots more often go back to the 1600's and two b/c mulattoes passing as white and marrying white occurred more often in the south. I don't know how true it is but online I've heard that their use to be a saying among whites that you weren't southern if you don't have black in you. I could see where a saying like that would come about but then again while I could see this type of saying prior to 1860 it's hard to believe white folks would say that after 1860.

Apr 24, 2013 ( 16 hours ago )

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Sonny Lee:

I think Afr Am are more varied that Eur Am from what I am seeing . My family is very unusual in that both my paternal and my maternal groups are Northern European yet I am 68% Black African! I have 2 great great grandfathers on my fathers side who were White slave holders ,James C.Lee and James Frost Kelly an Irishman.Both had mulatto children by slave women James-Mary Collins,Frost-Jincy Beauchamp.both were married to white women who bore them children.My great grandparents who were children of these two men were both born slaves in Utica(Hinds co,) both born in1852 Daniel Lee and Teresa Kelly married in the 1870's

On my mothers side what was unusual was the number of European Women. My 3rd great grandmother Chritenna Cobblance ,White married Aquilla Lett He was born in the 1750's and she in the 1760's in Maryland died in Lounden co. Va. .Aqilla Lett's dad Sam Delaney Lett my 4th great grandfather was white .He took his Mulatto Fathers last name.his mother Margaret Delaney Lett my 5th great grandmother was European and Sam's wife Jemima Bannaker was the sister of Benjamin Bannaker Americas first African American scientist who helped lay out Washington D. C. a free black man all his life because his grandmother Molly Welch my 6th great grandmother who came to America 1694 from England.who was an indentured servant

Apr 24, 2013 ( 15 hours ago )

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Southern Scotsman:

@ReginaStar,

I think someone may be pulling your leg about that being a Southern saying - I'm as Southern as you can get, and I assure you I have never heard anyone say that. It sounds like something someone of very low caliber would say these days; but such a belief was never accepted among anything approaching a majority of Southerners. I think you may have gotten a lot of your ideas about Southern history from modern liberal sources that have a pro-interracial agenda to promote.

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Sonny Lee:

There haplogroups are I1 the Viking even though John Lee 1690 arrived in Va, Maternal lineage Ub52a1 a rare group that consists mainly of the Sami people ,reindeer in and around Arctic Finland ,Norway ,and Sweden,the reindeer people.

Apr 24, 2013 ( 15 hours ago )

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Southern Scotsman:

@Sonny Lee,

Your Scandinavian and Lapplander genes certainly didn't vanish into thin air in 5 or 6 generations, did they?

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ReginaStar:

Southern Scotsman as I stated I read that online but I can not verify if that was true. As far as everything else I said I am very knowledgeable about. I have studied and read many books on the subject. I am the mother of biracial children and host a loving day event every year so this kind of information is very important to me.
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S99H99
S99H99:
@Southern Scotsman: "It appears that 70 percent of whites have no African ancestors.....Among self-identified whites in Shriver's sample, the average black admixture is only 0.7 percent. That's the equivalent of having among your 128 great-great-great-great-great-**grandparents (who lived around two centuries ago), 127 whites and one black."

No doubt. But in the last half of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century there was a massive influx of immigrants from Northern Europe, due in part to the great potato famine. One set of my grandparents are such. These people, from Scandinavia, Ireland, Germany, etc. would have typically no SSA admixture. Many American's today descend from these late immigrants, at least in part.

One final note: your source website is notorious, at best. Beware.

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ReginaStar:

Haplogroups don't change b/c the DNA stays intact. Autosomal is a lot different. It doesn't stay intact. So yes you loose most of your ancestors DNA. It's not impossible to have ancestors DNA from 10 generations ago. Ofcourse it comes from some of them but not all of them. Out of 1024 great something grandparents your not going to carry DNA from every singe one them unless it's your mothers, mothers, mothers, mothers, fathers, fathers, fathers, etc...

Apr 24, 2013 ( 14 hours ago )

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myshkin:

@Southern Scotsman, underneath it all, you are 100% African (as we all are).

I agree with ReginaStar and others--you should take a look at the differences between autosomal DNA (which recombinates) and the DNA that identifies haplogroups (which largely stays intact). It's an important distinction that you don't seem to understand.

Also, I'm sure SOME people in the South say that. Just not you and your friends. I guess that just rubs you the wrong way, huh?

Sonny Lee, your haplogroup data is amazing. Have you seen "Know Your Ancestors" with Henry Louis Gates? I was watching an episode today with, among others, Ruth Simmons, the former President of Brown University. She was totally surprised to find her maternal line was non-African (Native American). I'm just learning about all this stuff and it so fascinating.

Apr 24, 2013 ( 13 hours ago )

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Sonny Lee:

One of my cousins on my fathers side has the haplogroup L0 which would be from my paternal grandmother which is the first mitochondrial to develop it is the same as mitochondrial Eve.

Apr 25, 2013 ( 10 hours ago )

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Sonny Lee:

The San people or Bushman have this L0 type

Apr 25, 2013 ( 10 hours ago )

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Sonny Lee:

I've watched most of his series except that one that's how i found out about 23 and me.

Apr 25, 2013 ( 10 hours ago )

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Sonny Lee:

Molly Welsh acquired land after her Indenture bought two slaves one named Bana Ka ,this one she had children by and they were born free.

Apr 25, 2013 ( 10 hours ago )

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Southern Scotsman:

DNA and genetics can be a somewhat controversial issue, as can be scientific theories. The "Out of Africa" theory of human origin being an example. Theories that can be used to provide justification for certain social agendas are embraced by groups who wish to promote those agendas, and in some cases those groups have a long history of manipulating information and public opinion in order to serve the interests of the group that they belong to, which isn't necessarily in anyone else's best interest, and certainly isn't rooted in an altruistic desire for truth; although they will claim and lead everyone to believe that it is.

I think human genetics is a fascinating topic and one that certainly deserves an open and honest exploration, unaffected by ulterior motives and social or political agendas that are self-serving to the interests of those who embrace and promote them.

Personally I subscribe to the multiregional hypothesis of human origin which is supported by fossil and genomic data and continuity of archaeological cultures; but is actively opposed by those whose political and social agenda it suits to promote the "Out of Africa" hypothesis; even though the latter is contradicted by archaelogical evidence of older prehistoric human remains found outside of Africa.

BTW - myshkin, welcome to the 23andMe site. I see that you just joined today 1/24/2013 and I'm honored that you chose this thread that I started out of all the thousands of others to be the first one you responded to. Why don't you tell us more about yourself? Myshkin is an interesting name, it sounds Jewish. If so, you will have a lot in common with the owners or 23andMe, won't you?

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Sonny Lee:

The out of Africa theory is favored by most scientist anthropologist and geneticist.

Apr 25, 2013 ( 5 hours ago )

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@Sonny Lee:

Yes, the "Out of Africa" hypothesis is favored by many in the scientific community because it promotes a certain political-social agenda for society that is embraced by many for various reasons relating to their careers which could be adversely affected if they do not promote the agenda of those who have the ability to influence the direction that society goes in.

The average individual unquestioningly believes whatever information the mainstream media feeds to the public, and those who are in control of the media influence how the public thinks, what the public believes, how the public behaves, what the public accepts and embraces, and what the public denounces and rejects.

This is how those who are in control of the media have been able to change our society in fundamental ways that serve their agenda so successfully in just the past 50-60 years, largely through information that is fed to the public by television, as well as through newspapers, magazines, and now the internet, all of which are largely owned and controlled by a certain group of people with an agenda that serves their best interest, but no one else's.

They refer to it as "tikkun olam", but the general public usually refers to it as the "New World Order."

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Sonny Lee:

I disagree with you entirely and we will never agree so on to another topic

Apr 25, 2013 ( 4 hours ago )

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@Sonny Lee,

I can understand why you would disagree with me, since you are an example of what the people of whom I speak wish society to be populated by, as that serves their agenda; whereas people such as myself are an obstacle to it.

Apr 25, 2013 ( 3 hours ago )

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LGnome:

Hmm, this thread seems to be rapidly plummeting into racism and Jewish conspiracy theories. Scotsman, while I appreciate your pride in your Scottish ancestry (because it is also mine), I am sorry that you are wrapped in such fear and dislike of people who are different from you.

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@LGnome,

Things that are treasured should be protected and guarded against that which would diminish them. That is something that I am certain the Jews would agree with, at least as far as their own ethnic group is concerned.

I have a great deal of respect and admiration for the Jewish people, after all they are quite remarkable! While Jews make up only 2% of the U.S. population, no less than 169 of Forbes' 400 Richest American billionaires are Jews. One of them, Sergey Brin, the co-founder of Google is even married to the Jewish founder of 23andMe, Anne Wojcicki.

Yes, the Jews are quite a remarkable people. While accounting for a mere 2% of the American population, Jews account for a whopping 26% of undergraduates enrolled in both Harvard and Yale, 27% enrolled at Penn State, 25% enrolled at Columbia University, 24% enrolled at Brown, and 23% at Cornell.

Not surprisingly, Jews are also disproportionately over-represented in the federal government. While only 2% of the U.S. population is Jewish, eleven out of the current 100 U.S. senators are Jews and twenty-two of the 435 U.S. congressmen are Jews.

A study of the Pew Forum institute from 2008 found that Jews are the richest religious group in the US: 46% of Jews earn more than $100,000 a year, compared to 19% among all Americans. Another Gallup poll conducted in 2012 found that 70% of American Jews enjoy "a high standard of living" compared to 60% of the population and more than any other religious group.

In 1957, 75% of US Jews were white-collar workers, compared to 35% of all white people in the US; in 1970, 87% of Jewish men worked in clerical jobs, compared to 42% of all white people, and the Jews earned 72% more than the general average.

In fact, Jews own nearly all of the retail chain stores that nearly everyone spends their hard-earned money at; everything from The Home Depot founded in 1978 by Bernie Marcus, Arthur Blank (Atlanta Falcons), Ron Brill, and Pat Farrah), to Staples Office Supply (Thomas G. Stemberg), to Office Depot (Merged with Staples, Thomas G. Stemberg), ABC Warehouse, Circuit City (founded 1949 as Wards Appliance Store by Samuel S. Wurtzel, Jewish), Costco Warehouses (founded 1954 by Sol Price, Jewish, as Fed Mart), Academy Sports and Outdoors (founder by Max Gochman, Jewish; David Gochman, current Chairman, CEO), Pottery Barn, founded by Russian-American Jew, Paul Secon, and his brother Morris in 1950, Jo Ann Fabrics (founded by Berthold & Hilda Reich and Sigmund & Mathilda Rohrbach), Starbucks (Howarad D. Schultz, CEO), Spencer Gifts (Steve Silverstein, CEO. Privately held corporation), Stein-Mart, T J Maxx (founded as a nameplate of Zayre Stores by Max and Morris Feldberg. owned by TJX Companies), Marshall's (owned by TJX Companies), Home Goods/Home Sense (owned by TJX Companies), Ross Dress for Less, Old Navy (Donald Fisher, founder, holds 37% of stock), The Gap (Donald Fisher, founder, holds 37% of stock), Banana Republic (Donald Fisher, founder, holds 37% of stock), American Eagle Outfitters (founded 1904 by Edward Beinstein, Current CEO J.L. Schottenstein), Eddy Bauer, Levi's/Levi Strauss, Calvin Klein, Polo/Ralph Lauren, Snapple tea, Celestial Seasonings herbal teas, Starbuck's Coffee, Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream, Haagen Dazs Ice Cream, Baskin-Robbins Ice Cream, Dunkin Donuts, Lender's Bagles, Max Factor, Revlon, Estee Lauder. The Limited, (owned by Les Wexner, also includes the following stores: Victoria's Secret, Pink, Bath & Body Works, Henri Bendel, C. O. Bigelow, The White Barn Candle Company, La Senza, Abercrombie & Fitch, Layne Bryant, Lerner New York, Structure, Express, Aura Science), Rue 21, Bon Ton Stores (Founded by Max Grumbacher, also includes the following stores: Elder-Beerman, Parisian, Saks Inc., Bergner's, Boston Store, Carson Pirie Scott, Herbergers, Younkers, Pomeroy's, Maxwell's, Fowler's Department Store), Neiman Marcus, Macy's/Bloomingdales, The Men's Wearhouse ( George Zimmer), Hart Schaffner & Marx, Florsheim Shoes, Steve & Barry's University Sportswear (Steve Shore & Barry Prevor).

All six of the major Hollywood film studios that have entertained and educated millions of Americans for decades were founded and are owned and operated by Jews: Warner Brothers, Universal, Paramount, MGM, Columbia, and 20th century Fox; while public opinion is shaped by Jewish news anchors and television journalists, such as: Dan Abrams, Wolf Blitzer, Liz Claman, Howard Cosell, Katie Couric, Matt Drudge, David Hartman, Ira Glass, Doug Gottlieb, Molly Henneberg, Daryn Kagan, Larry King, Ted Koppel, Charles Krauthammer, William Kristol, Ricki Lake, Matt Laurer, Joan Lunden, Frank Luntz, Bill Maher, Bill Nye, Maury Povich, Geraldo Rivera, Joan Rivers, Morley Safer, William Safire, Bob Schieffer, Gene Schalit, Joel Siegel, Gene Siskel, Dr. Marc Siegel, Bob Simon, Scott Simon, Laura Schlessinger, Lesley Stahl, Howard Stern, Jon Stewart, John Stossel, Chris Wallace, Mike Wallace, Barbara Walters, and Jenna Wolf. Not to mention the many thousands of Hollywood television and movie actors and actresses who are Jewish.

And of course that does not even begin to take into consideration the disproportionate role played by the Jews during the Civil Rights movement; from the very founding of the NAACP by Jews such as Julius Rosenwald (co-owner of Sears, Roebuck & Co.), Lillian Wald, Rabbi Emil G. Hirsch, Stephen Wise and Henry Malkewitz back in 1909; to the efforts of Jews in helping to organize the black Civil Rights marches during the 1950's which brought an end to segregation and opened the door to creating an interracial society with the 1967 repeal of laws banning interracial marriage.

Yes, the Jews have accomplished quite a lot and must be recognized for their efforts in preserving the ethnic integrity of their own race, while at the same time encouraging others to sacrifice the racial purity of their own ancestry for the cause of achieving greater racial diversity among their descendants.

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ReginaStar:

Wow this has gotten crazy and what's really bad is Scotsman your actually related to my African American husband therefore my children.

Apr 25, 2013 ( 2 hours ago )

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Southern Scotsman:

@ReginaStar,

Why do you consider it a bad thing that your husband has some white ancestry that you say is in common with me, when your own children have inherited a great deal of white ancestry from you? Is whiteness a bad thing, in your opinion?

Apr 25, 2013 ( 2 hours ago )

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fauxdk:

@SouthernScotsman,

Is this 2% of which you speak, who in your words "television, as well as through newspapers, magazines, and now the internet, all of which are largely owned and controlled by a certain group of people with an agenda that serves their best interest, but no one else's" by any chance J#*s.

Are you speaking of the oft stated and believed, "J#*ish conspiracy"? Good grief, must this group continue to endure the insults and horrors which have plagued them since circa 79 AD when they first appeared in Europe (transported there by the Romans).

This is the same group that produces more entertainers, doctors, scientists, philanthropists (look at the major donars to Public Broadcasting - you know, Brit Coms, Downton Abbey, Rick Steeves Travel Europe - or to any of the arts in your community) per capita by far than any others. Somehow the concept of "success" gets translated into "an agenda". I will never understand this way of thinking, and can only hope that you will one day see the evidence without the "benefit" of input from fellow conspiracy theorists. There is no conspiracy! Members of this "2% group" have been instrumental in providing me, an English Canadian fellow, with a leg up so I could realize many of my goals. I will be forever greatful.

So basically this thread is a platform for your "agenda". Right, well time to move on, particularly since I have seen nothing about DNA in the last, how many posts?

David K.

Apr 25, 2013 ( 1 hour ago )

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Southern Scotsman:
@fauxdk,

I am not the one who has brought up the word "conspiracy", I believe that was someone else. I only mentioned "tikkun olam"; perhaps that is what you interpret as a "conspiracy"?

Apr 25, 2013 ( 1 hour ago )

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MultiracialJedi:

@Southern Scotsman said:

“I think most of the "mixing" that occurred between whites and black slaves in those days was carried out between white men of indiscriminate taste and morals and black slave women”

Perhaps I misunderstood this statement and shall I say, “Come again me lad?” Are you suggesting that most White men with a Black woman be she Free or Slaved, had indiscriminate taste and morals being with a Black woman?

Besides White men who were criminal minded and raped Black women, there were White men of discriminate taste and good morals that loved and were very attracted to Black women. White men and Black women relationships were not as common as Black men and White women. I’m sure those White women to you had indiscriminate taste and morals too, right?

I am sure relationships were complicated back then but the laws of attraction....remain the same.

Don’t project Scotty.

Anara,
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Southern Scotsman:
@MultiracialJedi:

Perhaps I should have phrased it differently and said "indiscriminate taste and values", leaving the issue of morality aside for others to judge as they see fit. It should offer you a great deal of comfort to know that in the United States in 2005, only 0-10 black females were raped or sexually assaulted by white men; while 37,460 white females were sexually assaulted or raped by a black man.

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MultiracialJedi:
^^ Okay. I don't want to misinterpret your feelings.

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MultiracialJedi:

How many Jews I know that own...well, nothing and are struggling just as much as I am.

These conspiracies are promoted on Youtube and Alex Jones Prison Planet. Garbage news to appeal to people looking to blame someone.

Apr 25, 2013 ( 1 hour ago )

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Southern Scotsman:

@MultiracialJedi:

Yes, Fox News regularly airs commercials asking Americans to send $25 donations to poor Jews that don't have even the means to celebrate Passover and Hanukkah; even though 169 of the 400 richest billionaires in America are Jewish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EATkeNTjMg

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fauxdk:

^^^ And why should we not celebrate success. I am not envious of anyone, for example Jews, who have earned their money and success honestly, I am happy for them - and believe in the "trickle down effect" in that we all benefit from another's success. Look at how many were and are employed by Warner Bros., MGM and the other big studios owned by the folks that you allude to - actually Eastern European Jews. Kudos to them.

Wait, this has nothing to do with DNA - again we stray unless you wish to discuss for example reasons for Ashkenazi success and related topics from a genetic perspective.

David K.

Apr 25, 2013 ( 1 hour ago )

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River of Dreams:

Very interesting discussion...perspectives and opinions vary based on individual experiences and knowledge. DNA research continues to move forward (we learn something daily) and old beliefs are proven right/wrong -- often taking time for people to understand.

I think everyone's viewpoint is interesting and they have a right to that -- whether I agree or not. Sometimes the person with the minority view is right (science is not based on a popular belief or vote).

As DNA research moves forward, our genetic ancestry may be updated/changed, so one should keep an open mind about the reporting today. Everyone should be proud of their respective ancestry.

Apr 25, 2013 ( 1 hour ago )

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Southern Scotsman:
@fauxdk:

You said: "Jews, who have earned their money and success honestly, I am happy for them - and believe in the "trickle down effect" in that we all benefit from another's success. Look at how many were and are employed by Warner Bros., MGM and the other big studios owned by the folks that you allude to - actually Eastern European Jews."

Interestingly enough, most of the actors and actresses hired by the Jewish-owned studios were Jews as well. You've got to admire that kind of nepotism and ethnic loyalty:

Paula Abdul
Jack Albertson (Harold Albertson)
Jason Alexander (Jay Scott Greenspan)
Woody Allen (Allen Stewart Konigsberg)
Ed Ames (Edmund Dantes Urick)
Adam Arkin
Allan Arkin
Tom Arnold
David Arquette
Rosanna Arquette
Beatrice Arthur (Bernice Frankel)
Ed Asner
Bronco Billy Anderson (Maxwell Henry Aronson)
Lauren Bacall (Betty Joan Perske)
Barbara Bain (Millicent Fogel)
John Banner
Ellen Barkin
Roseanne Barr
Barbara Barrie (Barbara Ann Berman)
Julian Beck
Richard Belzer
Richard Benjamin
Jack Benny (Benjamin Kubelsky)
Amber Benson
Robby Benson (Robin David Segal)
Elizabeth Berkley
Milton Berle (Milton Berlinger)
Sandra Bernhard
Mayim Bialik
Craig Bierko
Jack Black
Michael Ian Black (Michael Ian Schwartz)
Mel Blanch (Melvin Jerome Blank)
Yasmine Bleeth
Tom Bosley (Thomas Edward Bosley)
Zach Braff
Matthew Broderick
Adrien Brody
Mel Brooks (Melvin Kaminsky)
Lenny Bruce (Leonard Alfred Schneider)
George Burns (Nathan Birnbaum)
Red Buttons (Aaron Chwatt)
James Caan
Susan Cabot (Harriet Shapiro)
Sid Caesar (Isaac Sidney Caesar)
James Callis
Dyan Cannon (Samile Diane Friesen)
Eddie Cantor (Edward Israel Iskowitz)
Kate Capshaw (Kathleen Sue Nail)
Lisa Bonet
Helena Bonham Carter
Lee J. Cobb (Leo Jacob)
Scott Cohen
Mindy Cohn
Joan Collins
Katie Couric
Peter Coyote (Rachmil Pinchus Ben Mosha Cohon)
Billy Crystal
Jamie Lee Curtis
Tony Curtis (Bernard Schwartz)
Rodney Dangerfield (Jacob Cohen)
Larry David
Sammy Davis Jr.
Dustin Diamond
Neil Diamond
Michael Douglas
Jerry Douglas (Gerald Rubenstein)
Kirk Douglas (Issur Danielovitch)
Rachel Dratch
Fran Drescher
Richard Dreyfus
David Duchovny
Bob Dylan (Robert Allen Zimmerman)
Bob Einstein
Susie Essman
Douglas Fairbanks (Douglas Elton Thomas Ullman)
Peter Falk
Corey Feldman
Harvey Fierstein
Fyvush Finkel (Philip Finkel)
Carrie Fisher
Al Franken (Alan Stuart Franken)
Bonnie Franklin
Stephen Fry
Allen Funt
Dan Futterman
Eva Gabor
Zsa Zsa Gabor (Sári Gábor)
Estelle Getty (Estelle Scher)
John Garfield (Jacob Julius Garfinkle)
Jeff Garlin
Brad Garrett (Bradley Harold Gerstenfeld)
Brian George
Gina Gershon
Jami Gertz
Kathie Lee Gifford (Kathryn Lee Epstein)
Melissa Gilbert
Sara Gilbert
Paul Michael Glaser (Paul Manfred Glaser)
Paulette Goddard (Marion Pauline Levy)
Tracey Gold (Tracey Claire Fisher)
Jeff Goldblum
Elliott Gould (Elliott Goldstein)
Lee Grant (Lyova Haskell Rosenthal)
Lorne Greene (Lyon Himan "Chaim" Green)
Jennifer Grey
Charles Grodin
Christopher Guest
Steve Guttenberg
Buddy Hackett (Leonard Hacker)
Monty Hall (Monte Halperin)
Estelle Harris (Estelle Nussbaum)
Mary Hart
Nina Hartley
Laurence Harvey (Laruschka Mischa Skikne)
Goldie Hawn
Anthony Heald
Jessica Hecht
Dan Hedaya
Barbara Hershey (Barbara Lynn Herzstein)
Steven Hill (Solomon Krakovsky)
Judd Hirsch
Dustin Hoffman
Judy Holliday (Judith Tuvim)
John Houseman (Jacques Haussmann)
Leslie Howard (Leslie Howard Steiner)
Amy Irving
Peter Jacobson
Sam Jaffe (Shalom Jaffe)
Ron Jeremy
Al Jolson (Asa Yoelson)
Madeline Kahn (Madeline Gail Wolfson)
Toni Kalem
Carol Kane
Gabe Kaplan
Andy Kaufman
Julie Kavner
Danny Kaye (David Daniel Kaminsky)
Lainie Kazan (Lanie Levine)
Alan King (Irwin Alan Kniberg)
Harvey Keitel
Richard Kind
Robert Klein
Kevin Kline
Richard Kline
Jack Klugman (Jacob Joachim Klugman)
Walter Koenig
Susan Kohner
Harvey Korman (Harvey Herschel Korman)
Stepfanie Kramer
Marc Kudisch
Lisa Kudrow
Hede Lamar (Hedwig Eva Maria Kiesler)
Martin Landau
John Landis
Michael Landon (Eugene Maurice Orowitz)
Louise Lasser
Piper Laurie (Rosetta Jacobs)
Linda Lavin
Marc Lawrence (Max Goldsmith)
Steve Lawrence (Sidney Liebowitz)
Carol Leifer
Jennifer Jason Leigh
Michael Lembeck
Al Lewis (Albert Meister)
Eugene Levy
Daniel Day-Lewis
Jerry Lewis (Jerome Levitch)
Richard Lewis
Shari Lewis (Sonia Phyllis Hurwitz)
Paul Lieberstein
Judith Light
Hal Linden (Harold Lip****z)
Peggy Lipton
Philip Loeb
Peter Lorre (László Löwenstein)
Tina Louise (Tina Blacker)
Courtney Love (Courtney Michelle Harrison)
Jon Lovitz
Joan Lunden (Joan Elise Blunden)
Joshua Malina
Camryn Manheim (Debra Frances Manheim)
Cindy Margolis
Julianna Margulies
Brett Marx
The Marx Bothers: Grocho, Chico, Harpo, Gummo & Zeppo (Julius, Leonard, Adolph, Milton & Herbert Marx)
Bill Macy (Wolf Marvin Garber)
Howie Mandel (Howard Michael Mandel)
Dinah Manoff
Ross Martin (Martin Rosenblatt)
Jackie Mason (Yacov Moshe Maza)
Richard Masur
Marlee Matlin
Walter Matthau (Walter John Matthow)
Melanie Mayron
Paul Mazurka (Irwin Mazursky)
Debra Messing
Dina Meyer
Bette Midler
Larry Miller
Sasha Mitchell
Chesty Morgan (Lillian Wilczkowsky)
Shelly Morrison (Rachel Mitrani)
Rick Moranis (Frederick Allan Moranis)
Rob Morrow
Victor “Vic” Morrow
Don Most
Jan Murray (Murray Janofsky)
Judd Nelson
Barry Newman
Laraine Newman
Paul Newman (Paul Leonard Newman)
Leonard Nimoy
Ken Olin
Frank Oz
Sarah Jessica Parker
Mandy Patinkin (Mandel Bruce Patinkin)
Rhea Perlman
Ron Perlman
Sean Penn
Jeremy Piven
Kevin Pollak
Natalie Portman (Natalie Hershlag)
David Proval
Rain Pryor
Gilda Radner
Ted Raimi
Harold Ramis
Tony Randall (Arthur Leonard Rosenberg)
Charlotte Rae (Charlotte Rae Lubotsky)
Carl Reiner
Rob Reiner
Paul Reiser
Paul Reubens (Paul Rubenfeld)
Adam Rich
Peter Riegert
Don Rickles (Donald Jay Rickles)
Ron Rifkin (Saul M. Rifkin)
Joan Rivers (Joan Molinsky)
Doris Roberts (Doris Mae Meltzer)
Tanya Roberts (Victoria Leigh Blum)
Edward G. Robinson (Emanuel Goldenberg)
Alan Rosenberg
Lilian Roth (Lillian Rutstein)
Paul Rudd
Katie Sagal
Bob Saget
Adam Sandler
Ben Savage
Fred Savage
Rebecca Schaeffer
Richard Schiff
Rob Schneider
David Schwimmer
Kyra Sedgwick
George Segal
Steven Seagal
Peter Sellers (Richard Henry Sellers)
Jerry Seinfeld
Rod Serling (Rodman Edward Serling)
Jane Seymour (Joyce Penelope Wilhelmina Frankenberg)
Garry Shandling
William Shatner
Wallace Shawn
Harry Shearer
Ally Sheedy
Dinah Shore (Frances Rose Shore)
Pauly Shore
Gene Simmons
Richard Simmons
Ron Silver
Jonathan Silverman
Phil Silvers (Philip Silver)
Helen Slater
Joey Slotnick
Wendie Jo Sperber
Brent Spiner
Susan Strasberg
Jerry Stiller (Gerald Isaac Stiller)
Harold J. Stone (Harold Hochstein)
The Three Stooges: Larry, Curly, Moe & Shemp Howard (Louis Feinberg, Jerome, Moses & Samuel Horwitz)
Jill St. John (Jill Arlyn Oppenheim)
Ben Stein (Benjamin Jeremy Stein)
David Steinberg
Howard Stern
Jon Stewart (Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz)
Barbara Streisand
Ben Stiller
Jeffrey Tambor
Elizabeth Taylor
Stephen Tobolowsky
Mel Torme (Melvin Howard Torma)
Robert Trebor (Robert Schenkman)
Mike Wallace (Myron Leon Wallechinsky)
Eli Wallach
Jessica Walter
Samuel Wanamaker (Samuel Watmacher)
Zoe Wanamaker
Jack Warden (John Warden Lebzelter)
Lesley Ann Warren
Stephen Weber
Mae West (Mary Jane West)
Henry Winkler
Gene Wilder (Jerome Silberman)
Anson Williams (Anson William Heimlick)
Debra Winger
Shelly Winters (Shirley Schrift)
Scott Wolf
Ed Wynn (Isaiah Edwin Leopold)
Abe Vigoda (Abraham Charles Vigoda)
Apr 25, 2013 ( 43 minutes ago )
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@Multiracial

That's the one thing I do agree wholeheartedly on. Alex Jones and Prison Planet are only getting by with what they say because of freedom of speech.

Apr 25, 2013 ( 40 minutes ago )

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Southern Scotsman:

@KMoore1967:

Thank goodness we have freedom of speech in the United States, there is no freedom of speech in Europe due to laws being passed to prevent people from talking about things like the possibility of the Holocaust being a hoax. It is a huge money-making industry, almost a religion in itself, whose adherents are desperate to perpetuate.

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fauxdk:

@ Southern Scotsman,

Thanks for the interesting list. It took me along a pleasant trip down memory lane. I have non-Jewish friends and relatives in the entertainment business in Hollywood and never once did I hear them even allude to any favoritism as you are describing. But perception is reality.

I fear that such material though will lead to a decision to lock this thread, and rightly so.

David K.

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@fauxdk:

Well, we wouldn't want the folks who operate 23andMe to resort to censorship by locking the thread and inhibiting anyone's freedom of speech. I'm sure they would hate to do that; particularly when all that is being discussed are the remarkable achievements of a particular group of people who are genetically related to one another, and yet despite their small numbers have managed to play such a disproportionate role in the world of business, politics and influencing society. How could such an accomplished people take offense at anyone pointing out their astounding success as a race?

Apr 25, 2013 ( 9 minutes ago )

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ReginaStar:

I said no such thing. I have both white and mixed children btw. There is nothing wrong with being white and I am proud of my southern scot irish heritage. Their is nothing wrong with being black either. There is nothing wrong with the fact we are all connected. That our cousins over the last 500 years come from different ethnic backgrounds. There is nothing wrong with the fact that we all descend from the same woman and man regardless if you believe it for religious reasons or science. There is nothing wrong with the fact that, that woman and man were from Africa.

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@ReginaStar:

I didn't realize that Mesopotamia was in Africa.

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