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I am starting a new thread on this subject because Augustus Sutters' recent post contained only half of the article and did not receive the attention that it deserved. Ron Paul is the only honest and courageous politician in D.C. This article is the absolutely best explanation of both the current economic crisis facing America and of the threat which jewish-neocon, Imperial militarism poses to America and all of the White Nations.

Historians of the future will will see this article as one of the most important documents available to them for understanding the history of our times, on a par with Cicero's warnings to the Romans. They will see it either as the best explanation for why the White Nations failed or they will see it as the speech that awakened the White Nations to the dangers facing them.

How they see it depends on us. If we understand what Paul has said and heed his warning, we may succeed. If we don't...

I realize that there are some here who believe that gold is part of the jewish bag of tricks designed to fool the hapless goyim. Some study of the history of economics would quickly dispel anyone of this notion. Consider only the fact that it was the jewish-created Federal Reserve System's success in replacing gold as money with worthless fiat "money" that has brought us to the brink of financial ruin.

While it may be the case that jews are currently gaining control of and hoarding the world's gold supply, that only lends support to those opposed to the jews' fiat money. The jews know that their counterfeit money system will fail and they are preparing for that day by acquiring the only real, lasting, historically sound money...gold.

I know that this article is long but it is well written and easy to understand. I implore you to read it through and spend some time thinking seriously and deeply about what he has to say.

HON. RON PAUL OF TEXAS
Before the U.S. House of Representatives

February 15, 2006

The End of Dollar Hegemony

A hundred years ago it was called “dollar diplomacy.” After World War II, and especially after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1989, that policy evolved into “dollar hegemony.” But after all these many years of great success, our dollar dominance is coming to an end.

It has been said, rightly, that he who holds the gold makes the rules. In earlier times it was readily accepted that fair and honest trade required an exchange for something of real value.

First it was simply barter of goods. Then it was discovered that gold held a universal attraction, and was a convenient substitute for more cumbersome barter transactions. Not only did gold facilitate exchange of goods and services, it served as a store of value for those who wanted to save for a rainy day.

Though money developed naturally in the marketplace, as governments grew in power they assumed monopoly control over money. Sometimes governments succeeded in guaranteeing the quality and purity of gold, but in time governments learned to outspend their revenues. New or higher taxes always incurred the disapproval of the people, so it wasn’t long before Kings and Caesars learned how to inflate their currencies by reducing the amount of gold in each coin-- always hoping their subjects wouldn’t discover the fraud. But the people always did, and they strenuously objected.

This helped pressure leaders to seek more gold by conquering other nations. The people became accustomed to living beyond their means, and enjoyed the circuses and bread. Financing extravagances by conquering foreign lands seemed a logical alternative to working harder and producing more. Besides, conquering nations not only brought home gold, they brought home slaves as well. Taxing the people in conquered territories also provided an incentive to build empires. This system of government worked well for a while, but the moral decline of the people led to an unwillingness to produce for themselves. There was a limit to the number of countries that could be sacked for their wealth, and this always brought empires to an end. When gold no longer could be obtained, their military might crumbled. In those days those who held the gold truly wrote the rules and lived well.

That general rule has held fast throughout the ages. When gold was used, and the rules protected honest commerce, productive nations thrived. Whenever wealthy nations-- those with powerful armies and gold-- strived only for empire and easy fortunes to support welfare at home, those nations failed.

Today the principles are the same, but the process is quite different. Gold no longer is the currency of the realm; paper is. The truth now is: “He who prints the money makes the rules”-- at least for the time being. Although gold is not used, the goals are the same: compel foreign countries to produce and subsidize the country with military superiority and control over the monetary printing presses.

Since printing paper money is nothing short of counterfeiting, the issuer of the international currency must always be the country with the military might to guarantee control over the system. This magnificent scheme seems the perfect system for obtaining perpetual wealth for the country that issues the de facto world currency. The one problem, however, is that such a system destroys the character of the counterfeiting nation’s people-- just as was the case when gold was the currency and it was obtained by conquering other nations. And this destroys the incentive to save and produce, while encouraging debt and runaway welfare.

The pressure at home to inflate the currency comes from the corporate welfare recipients, as well as those who demand handouts as compensation for their needs and perceived injuries by others. In both cases personal responsibility for one’s actions is rejected.

When paper money is rejected, or when gold runs out, wealth and political stability are lost. The country then must go from living beyond its means to living beneath its means, until the economic and political systems adjust to the new rules-- rules no longer written by those who ran the now defunct printing press.

“Dollar Diplomacy,” a policy instituted by William Howard Taft and his Secretary of State Philander C. Knox, was designed to enhance U.S. commercial investments in Latin America and the Far East. McKinley concocted a war against Spain in 1898, and (Teddy) Roosevelt’s corollary to the Monroe Doctrine preceded Taft’s aggressive approach to using the U.S. dollar and diplomatic influence to secure U.S. investments abroad. This earned the popular title of “Dollar Diplomacy.” The significance of Roosevelt’s change was that our intervention now could be justified by the mere “appearance” that a country of interest to us was politically or fiscally vulnerable to European control. Not only did we claim a right, but even an official U.S. government “obligation” to protect our commercial interests from Europeans.

This new policy came on the heels of the “gunboat” diplomacy of the late 19th century, and it meant we could buy influence before resorting to the threat of force. By the time the “dollar diplomacy” of William Howard Taft was clearly articulated, the seeds of American empire were planted. And they were destined to grow in the fertile political soil of a country that lost its love and respect for the republic bequeathed to us by the authors of the Constitution. And indeed they did. It wasn’t too long before dollar “diplomacy” became dollar “hegemony” in the second half of the 20th century.

This transition only could have occurred with a dramatic change in monetary policy and the nature of the dollar itself.

Congress created the Federal Reserve System in 1913. Between then and 1971 the principle of sound money was systematically undermined. Between 1913 and 1971, the Federal Reserve found it much easier to expand the money supply at will for financing war or manipulating the economy with little resistance from Congress-- while benefiting the special interests that influence government.

Dollar dominance got a huge boost after World War II. We were spared the destruction that so many other nations suffered, and our coffers were filled with the world’s gold. But the world chose not to return to the discipline of the gold standard, and the politicians applauded. Printing money to pay the bills was a lot more popular than taxing or restraining unnecessary spending. In spite of the short-term benefits, imbalances were institutionalized for decades to come.

The 1944 Bretton Woods agreement solidified the dollar as the preeminent world reserve currency, replacing the British pound. Due to our political and military muscle, and because we had a huge amount of physical gold, the world readily accepted our dollar (defined as 1/35th of an ounce of gold) as the world’s reserve currency. The dollar was said to be “as good as gold,” and convertible to all foreign central banks at that rate. For American citizens, however, it remained illegal to own. This was a gold-exchange standard that from inception was doomed to fail.

The U.S. did exactly what many predicted she would do. She printed more dollars for which there was no gold backing. But the world was content to accept those dollars for more than 25 years with little question-- until the French and others in the late 1960s demanded we fulfill our promise to pay one ounce of gold for each $35 they delivered to the U.S. Treasury. This resulted in a huge gold drain that brought an end to a very poorly devised pseudo-gold standard.

It all ended on August 15, 1971, when Nixon closed the gold window and refused to pay out any of our remaining 280 million ounces of gold. In essence, we declared our insolvency and everyone recognized some other monetary system had to be devised in order to bring stability to the markets.

Amazingly, a new system was devised which allowed the U.S. to operate the printing presses for the world reserve currency with no restraints placed on it-- not even a pretense of gold convertibility, none whatsoever! Though the new policy was even more deeply flawed, it nevertheless opened the door for dollar hegemony to spread.

Realizing the world was embarking on something new and mind boggling, elite money managers, with especially strong support from U.S. authorities, struck an agreement with OPEC to price oil in U.S. dollars exclusively for all worldwide transactions. This gave the dollar a special place among world currencies and in essence “backed” the dollar with oil. In return, the U.S. promised to protect the various oil-rich kingdoms in the Persian Gulf against threat of invasion or domestic coup. This arrangement helped ignite the radical Islamic movement among those who resented our influence in the region. The arrangement gave the dollar artificial strength, with tremendous financial benefits for the United States. It allowed us to export our monetary inflation by buying oil and other goods at a great discount as dollar influence flourished.

This post-Bretton Woods system was much more fragile than the system that existed between 1945 and 1971. Though the dollar/oil arrangement was helpful, it was not nearly as stable as the pseudo gold standard under Bretton Woods. It certainly was less stable than the gold standard of the late 19th century.

During the 1970s the dollar nearly collapsed, as oil prices surged and gold skyrocketed to $800 an ounce. By 1979 interest rates of 21% were required to rescue the system. The pressure on the dollar in the 1970s, in spite of the benefits accrued to it, reflected reckless budget deficits and monetary inflation during the 1960s. The markets were not fooled by LBJ’s claim that we could afford both “guns and butter.”

Once again the dollar was rescued, and this ushered in the age of true dollar hegemony lasting from the early 1980s to the present. With tremendous cooperation coming from the central banks and international commercial banks, the dollar was accepted as if it were gold.

Fed Chair Alan Greenspan, on several occasions before the House Banking Committee, answered my challenges to him about his previously held favorable views on gold by claiming that he and other central bankers had gotten paper money-- i.e. the dollar system-- to respond as if it were gold. Each time I strongly disagreed, and pointed out that if they had achieved such a feat they would have defied centuries of economic history regarding the need for money to be something of real value. He smugly and confidently concurred with this.

In recent years central banks and various financial institutions, all with vested interests in maintaining a workable fiat dollar standard, were not secretive about selling and loaning large amounts of gold to the market even while decreasing gold prices raised serious questions about the wisdom of such a policy. They never admitted to gold price fixing, but the evidence is abundant that they believed if the gold price fell it would convey a sense of confidence to the market, confidence that they indeed had achieved amazing success in turning paper into gold.

Increasing gold prices historically are viewed as an indicator of distrust in paper currency. This recent effort was not a whole lot different than the U.S. Treasury selling gold at $35 an ounce in the 1960s, in an attempt to convince the world the dollar was sound and as good as gold. Even during the Depression, one of Roosevelt’s first acts was to remove free market gold pricing as an indication of a flawed monetary system by making it illegal for American citizens to own gold. Economic law eventually limited that effort, as it did in the early 1970s when our Treasury and the IMF tried to fix the price of gold by dumping tons into the market to dampen the enthusiasm of those seeking a safe haven for a falling dollar after gold ownership was re-legalized.

Once again the effort between 1980 and 2000 to fool the market as to the true value of the dollar proved unsuccessful. In the past 5 years the dollar has been devalued in terms of gold by more than 50%. You just can’t fool all the people all the time, even with the power of the mighty printing press and money creating system of the Federal Reserve.

Even with all the shortcomings of the fiat monetary system, dollar influence thrived. The results seemed beneficial, but gross distortions built into the system remained. And true to form, Washington politicians are only too anxious to solve the problems cropping up with window dressing, while failing to understand and deal with the underlying flawed policy. Protectionism, fixing exchange rates, punitive tariffs, politically motivated sanctions, corporate subsidies, international trade management, price controls, interest rate and wage controls, super-nationalist sentiments, threats of force, and even war are resorted to—all to solve the problems artificially created by deeply flawed monetary and economic systems.

In the short run, the issuer of a fiat reserve currency can accrue great economic benefits. In the long run, it poses a threat to the country issuing the world currency. In this case that’s the United States. As long as foreign countries take our dollars in return for real goods, we come out ahead. This is a benefit many in Congress fail to recognize, as they bash China for maintaining a positive trade balance with us. But this leads to a loss of manufacturing jobs to overseas markets, as we become more dependent on others and less self-sufficient. Foreign countries accumulate our dollars due to their high savings rates, and graciously loan them back to us at low interest rates to finance our excessive consumption.

It sounds like a great deal for everyone, except the time will come when our dollars-- due to their depreciation-- will be received less enthusiastically or even be rejected by foreign countries. That could create a whole new ballgame and force us to pay a price for living beyond our means and our production. The shift in sentiment regarding the dollar has already started, but the worst is yet to come.

The agreement with OPEC in the 1970s to price oil in dollars has provided tremendous artificial strength to the dollar as the preeminent reserve currency. This has created a universal demand for the dollar, and soaks up the huge number of new dollars generated each year. Last year alone M3 increased over $700 billion.

The artificial demand for our dollar, along with our military might, places us in the unique position to “rule” the world without productive work or savings, and without limits on consumer spending or deficits. The problem is, it can’t last.

Price inflation is raising its ugly head, and the NASDAQ bubble-- generated by easy money-- has burst. The housing bubble likewise created is deflating. Gold prices have doubled, and federal spending is out of sight with zero political will to rein it in. The trade deficit last year was over $728 billion. A $2 trillion war is raging, and plans are being laid to expand the war into Iran and possibly Syria. The only restraining force will be the world’s rejection of the dollar. It’s bound to come and create conditions worse than 1979-1980, which required 21% interest rates to correct. But everything possible will be done to protect the dollar in the meantime. We have a shared interest with those who hold our dollars to keep the whole charade going.

Greenspan, in his first speech after leaving the Fed, said that gold prices were up because of concern about terrorism, and not because of monetary concerns or because he created too many dollars during his tenure. Gold has to be discredited and the dollar propped up. Even when the dollar comes under serious attack by market forces, the central banks and the IMF surely will do everything conceivable to soak up the dollars in hope of restoring stability. Eventually they will fail.

Most importantly, the dollar/oil relationship has to be maintained to keep the dollar as a preeminent currency. Any attack on this relationship will be forcefully challenged—as it already has been.

In November 2000 Saddam Hussein demanded Euros for his oil. His arrogance was a threat to the dollar; his lack of any military might was never a threat. At the first cabinet meeting with the new administration in 2001, as reported by Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill, the major topic was how we would get rid of Saddam Hussein-- though there was no evidence whatsoever he posed a threat to us. This deep concern for Saddam Hussein surprised and shocked O’Neill.

It now is common knowledge that the immediate reaction of the administration after 9/11 revolved around how they could connect Saddam Hussein to the attacks, to justify an invasion and overthrow of his government. Even with no evidence of any connection to 9/11, or evidence of weapons of mass destruction, public and congressional support was generated through distortions and flat out misrepresentation of the facts to justify overthrowing Saddam Hussein.

There was no public talk of removing Saddam Hussein because of his attack on the integrity of the dollar as a reserve currency by selling oil in Euros. Many believe this was the real reason for our obsession with Iraq. I doubt it was the only reason, but it may well have played a significant role in our motivation to wage war. Within a very short period after the military victory, all Iraqi oil sales were carried out in dollars. The Euro was abandoned.

In 2001, Venezuela’s ambassador to Russia spoke of Venezuela switching to the Euro for all their oil sales. Within a year there was a coup attempt against Chavez, reportedly with assistance from our CIA.

After these attempts to nudge the Euro toward replacing the dollar as the world’s reserve currency were met with resistance, the sharp fall of the dollar against the Euro was reversed. These events may well have played a significant role in maintaining dollar dominance.

It’s become clear the U.S. administration was sympathetic to those who plotted the overthrow of Chavez, and was embarrassed by its failure. The fact that Chavez was democratically elected had little influence on which side we supported.

Now, a new attempt is being made against the petrodollar system. Iran, another member of the “axis of evil,” has announced her plans to initiate an oil bourse in March of this year. Guess what, the oil sales will be priced Euros, not dollars.

Most Americans forget how our policies have systematically and needlessly antagonized the Iranians over the years. In 1953 the CIA helped overthrow a democratically elected president, Mohammed Mossadeqh, and install the authoritarian Shah, who was friendly to the U.S. The Iranians were still fuming over this when the hostages were seized in 1979. Our alliance with Saddam Hussein in his invasion of Iran in the early 1980s did not help matters, and obviously did not do much for our relationship with Saddam Hussein. The administration announcement in 2001 that Iran was part of the axis of evil didn’t do much to improve the diplomatic relationship between our two countries. Recent threats over nuclear power, while ignoring the fact that they are surrounded by countries with nuclear weapons, doesn’t seem to register with those who continue to provoke Iran. With what most Muslims perceive as our war against Islam, and this recent history, there’s little wonder why Iran might choose to harm America by undermining the dollar. Iran, like Iraq, has zero capability to attack us. But that didn’t stop us from turning Saddam Hussein into a modern day Hitler ready to take over the world. Now Iran, especially since she’s made plans for pricing oil in Euros, has been on the receiving end of a propaganda war not unlike that waged against Iraq before our invasion.

It’s not likely that maintaining dollar supremacy was the only motivating factor for the war against Iraq, nor for agitating against Iran. Though the real reasons for going to war are complex, we now know the reasons given before the war started, like the presence of weapons of mass destruction and Saddam Hussein’s connection to 9/11, were false. The dollar’s importance is obvious, but this does not diminish the influence of the distinct plans laid out years ago by the neo-conservatives to remake the Middle East. Israel’s influence, as well as that of the Christian Zionists, likewise played a role in prosecuting this war. Protecting “our” oil supplies has influenced our Middle East policy for decades.

But the truth is that paying the bills for this aggressive intervention is impossible the old fashioned way, with more taxes, more savings, and more production by the American people. Much of the expense of the Persian Gulf War in 1991 was shouldered by many of our willing allies. That’s not so today. Now, more than ever, the dollar hegemony-- it’s dominance as the world reserve currency-- is required to finance our huge war expenditures. This $2 trillion never-ending war must be paid for, one way or another. Dollar hegemony provides the vehicle to do just that.

For the most part the true victims aren’t aware of how they pay the bills. The license to create money out of thin air allows the bills to be paid through price inflation. American citizens, as well as average citizens of Japan, China, and other countries suffer from price inflation, which represents the “tax” that pays the bills for our military adventures. That is until the fraud is discovered, and the foreign producers decide not to take dollars nor hold them very long in payment for their goods. Everything possible is done to prevent the fraud of the monetary system from being exposed to the masses who suffer from it. If oil markets replace dollars with Euros, it would in time curtail our ability to continue to print, without restraint, the world’s reserve currency.

It is an unbelievable benefit to us to import valuable goods and export depreciating dollars. The exporting countries have become addicted to our purchases for their economic growth. This dependency makes them allies in continuing the fraud, and their participation keeps the dollar’s value artificially high. If this system were workable long term, American citizens would never have to work again. We too could enjoy “bread and circuses” just as the Romans did, but their gold finally ran out and the inability of Rome to continue to plunder conquered nations brought an end to her empire.

The same thing will happen to us if we don’t change our ways. Though we don’t occupy foreign countries to directly plunder, we nevertheless have spread our troops across 130 nations of the world. Our intense effort to spread our power in the oil-rich Middle East is not a coincidence. But unlike the old days, we don’t declare direct ownership of the natural resources-- we just insist that we can buy what we want and pay for it with our paper money. Any country that challenges our authority does so at great risk.

Once again Congress has bought into the war propaganda against Iran, just as it did against Iraq. Arguments are now made for attacking Iran economically, and militarily if necessary. These arguments are all based on the same false reasons given for the ill-fated and costly occupation of Iraq.

Our whole economic system depends on continuing the current monetary arrangement, which means recycling the dollar is crucial. Currently, we borrow over $700 billion every year from our gracious benefactors, who work hard and take our paper for their goods. Then we borrow all the money we need to secure the empire (DOD budget $450 billion) plus more. The military might we enjoy becomes the “backing” of our currency. There are no other countries that can challenge our military superiority, and therefore they have little choice but to accept the dollars we declare are today’s “gold.” This is why countries that challenge the system-- like Iraq, Iran and Venezuela-- become targets of our plans for regime change.

Ironically, dollar superiority depends on our strong military, and our strong military depends on the dollar. As long as foreign recipients take our dollars for real goods and are willing to finance our extravagant consumption and militarism, the status quo will continue regardless of how huge our foreign debt and current account deficit become.

But real threats come from our political adversaries who are incapable of confronting us militarily, yet are not bashful about confronting us economically. That’s why we see the new challenge from Iran being taken so seriously. The urgent arguments about Iran posing a military threat to the security of the United States are no more plausible than the false charges levied against Iraq. Yet there is no effort to resist this march to confrontation by those who grandstand for political reasons against the Iraq war.

It seems that the people and Congress are easily persuaded by the jingoism of the preemptive war promoters. It’s only after the cost in human life and dollars are tallied up that the people object to unwise militarism.

The strange thing is that the failure in Iraq is now apparent to a large majority of American people, yet they and Congress are acquiescing to the call for a needless and dangerous confrontation with Iran.

But then again, our failure to find Osama bin Laden and destroy his network did not dissuade us from taking on the Iraqis in a war totally unrelated to 9/11.

Concern for pricing oil only in dollars helps explain our willingness to drop everything and teach Saddam Hussein a lesson for his defiance in demanding Euros for oil.

And once again there’s this urgent call for sanctions and threats of force against Iran at the precise time Iran is opening a new oil exchange with all transactions in Euros.

Using force to compel people to accept money without real value can only work in the short run. It ultimately leads to economic dislocation, both domestic and international, and always ends with a price to be paid.

The economic law that honest exchange demands only things of real value as currency cannot be repealed. The chaos that one day will ensue from our 35-year experiment with worldwide fiat money will require a return to money of real value. We will know that day is approaching when oil-producing countries demand gold, or its equivalent, for their oil rather than dollars or Euros. The sooner the better


The man who believes that he has free will is more easily controlled since he will never think to look for the chains--Burrhus

[color="Red"]The jews are a problem--not our ONLY or SOLE problem, not responsible for EVERY problem faced by gentiles, not some ALL-POWERFUL race that we shouldn't bother trying to resist, not an EXCUSE for avoiding responsibilty for problems of our own making --but nonetheless, A REAL, SERIOUS PROBLEM.--Burrhus

 
Posted : 24/02/2006 2:14 pm
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http://www.house.gov/paul/
The only honorable congressman/senator that I know of


 
Posted : 25/02/2006 1:52 pm
Burrhus
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http://www.house.gov/paul/
The only honorable congressman/senator that I know of

I'm glad to see that someone else knows about one of America's greatest hidden treasures. He may not be a WN, but there is much that can be learned from him. He is a truly decent,intelligent, courageous, honest and honorable man. The link in the previous post is to his homepage. This link is to an internal archive of his speeches and writings.

http://www.house.gov/paul/legis.shtml

I am also glad that 43 VNNFers have read his speech but I wish that it were 4,900. What he says in it is vital to understanding the shit storm that may be about to come down on us.


The man who believes that he has free will is more easily controlled since he will never think to look for the chains--Burrhus

[color="Red"]The jews are a problem--not our ONLY or SOLE problem, not responsible for EVERY problem faced by gentiles, not some ALL-POWERFUL race that we shouldn't bother trying to resist, not an EXCUSE for avoiding responsibilty for problems of our own making --but nonetheless, A REAL, SERIOUS PROBLEM.--Burrhus

 
Posted : 27/02/2006 11:27 am
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I highly recommend listening to the show I posted in the Business Forum if you have not.I have extensive experience in markets/finance and Dr. Faber is one the very,very few analysts I pay attention to.To hear such sobering commentary from someone of his stature really floored me.Well, I am new to this board and I know it is not a financial forum,but anyone concerned about the economic future in the U.S. should give it a listen and consider the weight of his comments.


 
Posted : 27/02/2006 10:45 pm
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Ron Paul knows the score on the Jew Neocons and their Christian rubes.

It’s not likely that maintaining dollar supremacy was the only motivating factor for the war against Iraq, nor for agitating against Iran. Though the real reasons for going to war are complex, we now know the reasons given before the war started, like the presence of weapons of mass destruction and Saddam Hussein’s connection to 9/11, were false. The dollar’s importance is obvious, but this does not diminish the influence of the distinct plans laid out years ago by the neo-conservatives to remake the Middle East. Israel’s influence, as well as that of the Christian Zionists, likewise played a role in prosecuting this war. Protecting “our” oil supplies has influenced our Middle East policy for decades.


 
Posted : 28/02/2006 8:39 am
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Many thanks to Burrhus & Augustus for this. I find Ron Paul's statements about neocons and Israel quite astonishing. I guess he's got nothing to lose.


 
Posted : 28/02/2006 9:07 am
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When Ron Paul speaks he is not hurling bombastic rhetoric designed to deceive, as nearly all of the other politicians do. As an indication of his integrity, he refuses to be a party to the exhorbitant congressional pension system and he resigned after 3 terms in 1984 on principle due his support of the movement for term limits then being advanced. That movement failed and he returned to the house in 1996.

While, as I have said, he is not a WN (to my knowledge, he may be one in the closet) and there are serious flaws in both libertarian and paleo-conservative political philosophies, Ron Paul is a man of integrity who speaks the truth to those in power from a rostrum to which some attention is still paid.

WASHINGTON, DC - US Representative Ron Paul (R-TX) today reaffirmed his opposition to what he calls the "immoral" congressional pension system by refusing to participate in it. While serving in Congress from 1976 to 1984, Paul chose not to participate in the system, despite a taxpayer-funded pay-out which is more lucrative than any private system. He said high-dollar perks like the pension are areas that could be safely cut immediately, without hurting a single American taxpayer.

"The situation is even worse today than it was before," Paul said. "When I served in the late '70s and early '80s, the congressman had to actually write a letter to enter the program, I simply chose not to sign-up. Today, however, everyone is automatically placed in the system and house members are required to write a letter requesting that they not be included in the program."

After five years of service, a Member of Congress becomes vested in the system, with pay-off beginning at age 62, or pay-off begins at any age after 25 years of service. The five years can be either all in Congress, or added with other federal service, such as time in the military. If someone had 26 years of service, and depending on which of two systems they were under, a Member of Congress leaving office in 1994 could expect a yearly pension of between $52,800 and $86,000.

http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press97/prjan30.htm


The man who believes that he has free will is more easily controlled since he will never think to look for the chains--Burrhus

[color="Red"]The jews are a problem--not our ONLY or SOLE problem, not responsible for EVERY problem faced by gentiles, not some ALL-POWERFUL race that we shouldn't bother trying to resist, not an EXCUSE for avoiding responsibilty for problems of our own making --but nonetheless, A REAL, SERIOUS PROBLEM.--Burrhus

 
Posted : 01/03/2006 10:56 am
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When Ron Paul speaks he is not hurling bombastic rhetoric designed to deceive, as nearly all of the other politicians do. As an indication of his integrity, he refuses to be a party to the exhorbitant congressional pension system and he resigned after 3 terms in 1984 on principle due his support of the movement for term limits then being advanced. That movement failed and he returned to the house in 1996.

While, as I have said, he is not a WN (to my knowledge, he may be one in the closet) and there are serious flaws in both libertarian and paleo-conservative political philosophies, Ron Paul is a man of integrity who speaks the truth to those in power from a rostrum to which some attention is still paid.

WASHINGTON, DC - US Representative Ron Paul (R-TX) today reaffirmed his opposition to what he calls the "immoral" congressional pension system by refusing to participate in it. While serving in Congress from 1976 to 1984, Paul chose not to participate in the system, despite a taxpayer-funded pay-out which is more lucrative than any private system. He said high-dollar perks like the pension are areas that could be safely cut immediately, without hurting a single American taxpayer.

"The situation is even worse today than it was before," Paul said. "When I served in the late '70s and early '80s, the congressman had to actually write a letter to enter the program, I simply chose not to sign-up. Today, however, everyone is automatically placed in the system and house members are required to write a letter requesting that they not be included in the program."

After five years of service, a Member of Congress becomes vested in the system, with pay-off beginning at age 62, or pay-off begins at any age after 25 years of service. The five years can be either all in Congress, or added with other federal service, such as time in the military. If someone had 26 years of service, and depending on which of two systems they were under, a Member of Congress leaving office in 1994 could expect a yearly pension of between $52,800 and $86,000.

http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press97/prjan30.htm

Ron Paul is one of the few politicians in Washington that is not a thieving, blood sucking lawyer. He is an MD I believe. No offense to our few esteemed WN lawyers here, but I really hate lawyers. Most of the lawyers I've had while supposedly representing my interests were my adversary, and all they tried to do was rob me blind. They create and live off of other people's misery. That's why there are so many jews in the profession.


 
Posted : 01/03/2006 11:55 am
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Do any of you old-timers on VNN Forum know of any area here devoted to anti-lawyer rant & rave? I would sure love to read this.


 
Posted : 01/03/2006 12:19 pm
banjo_billy
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If we understand what Paul has said and heed his warning, we may succeed. If we don't...

I realize that there are some here who believe that gold is part of the jewish bag of tricks designed to fool the hapless goyim. Some study of the history of economics would quickly dispel anyone of this notion. Consider only the fact that it was the jewish-created Federal Reserve System's success in replacing gold as money with worthless fiat "money" that has brought us to the brink of financial ruin.

While it may be the case that jews are currently gaining control of and hoarding the world's gold supply, that only lends support to those opposed to the jews' fiat money. The jews know that their counterfeit money system will fail and they are preparing for that day by acquiring the only real, lasting, historically sound money...gold.

Do you honestly believe that a Jew would toss aside gold bullion as worthless, if diamonds became the system of money exchange? And then again, if paper money became the money of commerce, do you think the Jews would throw away their diamonds as worthless? No, the Jews in their infinite greed want the gold AND the diamonds AND the fiat money ALL for their own ... and they want you to give it all to them FOR FREE.

The only reason that I fully understand what Ron Paul has written, and the only reason that I know that Ron Paul is full of bullstuff, is because I have read "The Lost Science of Money" by Stephen Zarlinga, someone who is far and away more qualified to discuss money than is Ron Paul.

Ron Paul does not understand what fiat money is, nor does he even understand what money is. And for him to recommend that gold is money and has an intrinsic value, shows his lack of knowledge. All he is doing is going along with the Jewish money swindle and leading people into further impoverishment at the hands of these demonic blood-sucking money monsters, the Jews.

The Federal Reserve Notes are not money and they are not fiat currency as Ron Paul claims. They are quite simply debt instruments whereby the People pay the Jews for the use of our own wealth. Through the Federal Reserve Swindle, the Jews get the money for free and they loan it to the government and to the People at interest. This interest is called the "National Debt" which is the debt that we allegedly owe the kikes but which, in fact, is nothing but a fraud and a swindle for which we owe them only a short dance at the end of a long rope ... the bankers and all of their relatives!

On the other hand, fiat money is money that is Constitutional money which is spent into circulation by the Government; it does not accrue debt interest or an Income Tax to support it and it is accepted by the Government as payment for taxes. Fiat money is what the Founding Fathers built into the Constitution to protect us from the ravenous Jews whom they knew controlled the Bank of England during their day of 1776 and whom they knew were the ones responsible for wars and depressions and the poverty of the English People.

As an example, Rome was built on fiat money. The money of Rome was made of brass and it served Rome for a thousand years. It was only after the moneychangers of Jerusalem got the corrupt Senate to move to a gold-based and silver-based money that Rome began to fall apart because the value of gold and silver can be manipulated simply by hoarding it or making it plentiful while the value of fiat money is controlled by the government. Federal Reserve Notes are not controlled by the Government, they are controlled by the privately-Jew-owned corporation known as the Federal Reserve Bank which has never been audited and which is in business solely for private profit. It is a Class A corporation and all of its stock is owned by Jewish and foreign banks.

Because banking is an International Swindle, the wealth of the nations is manipulated in such a way that only the middlemen (the bankers and the Jews) can profit. If you believe that the so-called "economists" are real honest scientists who state Eternally-True-Economic-Facts, then you probably believe that our Congressmen are real honest politicians who pass Honest-And-Beneficial Laws. Both are paid handsomely by the bankers to mime the words that deceive the People and make the Jews rich.

Yes, the number one hoarders of gold in the world today are the Rothschild banking family. Why would the Jews hoard gold? Because it has value? No, but because it can be traded to fools who THINK that it has value in exchange for their farms, and factories, and houses, and labor. The present fraud known as the Federal Reserve System is DESIGNED to self-destruct because bankers actually make more money when people go broke than when they can get their interest and usury. A loan repaid, profits only the usury; but a loan not repaid, gives the banker the entire farm or house or business.

The Jews WANT the system to crash so that people become desperate. Desperate people are like drowning men, grasping for straws. When the money system falls apart, the people (instead of demanding a debt free fiat money as guaranteed by the Constitution along with the arrest and prosecution of the Bankers) will grasp for the gold and silver that is offered to them IN EXCHANGE FOR THOUSANDS OF THEIR DOLLARS PER OUNCE.

And so, an ounce of gold which was 32 dollars per ounce before the Jew Franklin Delano Rosenvelt ordered Americans to turn in all of their gold to the Jews and which is over 400 dollars per ounce now, will be "worth" thousands of dollars per ounce. And so, when Federal Reserve Notes are worthless, gold will be procalimed super-precious and will be used to buy what FED dollars no longer can. And so, the Jews who have been swindling, buying up and hoarding gold, will have the gold necessary for stealing a world that is based upon gold -- IF they are allowed to do so and they can only do so IF they can deceive the People and bribe the politicians.

But to make the dollars worthless requires a competing currency that is solid. And so, the Euro was devised as a competing currency. Back and forth, the money goes through the greedy hands of the Jews who suck off a profit at every exchange. It is all a part of the Jewish Conspiracy and should be defeated.

Jesus and Hitler Told the Truth about the Jews.


A Nigger in the White House in MP3 audio
"The Sumerian Swindle"
Swindling the Goyim: The Basic Swindle

 
Posted : 01/03/2006 1:54 pm
Stronza
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Oh, boy, I love a good debate on subjects I don't understand very well. Let's have more entries, here.


 
Posted : 01/03/2006 1:58 pm
banjo_billy
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Ron Paul is one of the few politicians in Washington that is not a thieving, blood sucking lawyer. He is an MD I believe. No offense to our few esteemed WN lawyers here, but I really hate lawyers. Most of the lawyers I've had while supposedly representing my interests were my adversary, and all they tried to do was rob me blind. They create and live off of other people's misery. That's why there are so many jews in the profession.

Please understand that I am not questioning Ron Paul's integrity but I am questioning his understanding of money.


A Nigger in the White House in MP3 audio
"The Sumerian Swindle"
Swindling the Goyim: The Basic Swindle

 
Posted : 01/03/2006 2:02 pm
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Do you honestly believe that a Jew would toss aside gold bullion as worthless, if diamonds became the system of money exchange? And then again, if paper money became the money of commerce, do you think the Jews would throw away their diamonds as worthless? No, the Jews in their infinite greed want the gold AND the diamonds AND the fiat money ALL for their own ... and they want you to give it all to them FOR FREE.

Hey Billy please put up that link to the book you are talking about again. You put it up before but I could not read PDF's, my system was corrupted. I understand what you are saying about our notes being debt instruments in a way. For instance, when a bank loans you the money for a house or a car you are actually loaning them the money to loan to you. You sign the loan agreement which gives them possession of that house and your promissary note is counted as money. This allows them to credit this as a an asset and loan you the money. In other words the lending power and where the money comes from is your own promissary note to repay. The bank essentially creates money out of thin air and takes possession of a real physical asset for absolutely nothing. When kike Greespan or now Kike Bernanke buy securities they do the same thing. They write a check and the securities that are being sold to him are what creates the money from nothing and backs up his check. It's money from thin air.


 
Posted : 01/03/2006 2:18 pm
Burrhus
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To: Banjo Billy

I will respond to your post as soon as I have taken sufficient time to thoroughly think through what you have written and do some research. I agree with some parts of what you say but not with others. I look forward to a lively and friendly discussion of this issue. I will respond (unless I die in the meanwhile or am carted off to Guantanamo for things that I have said on the Monster 911 thread).

Silence may be golden but not replying to a reasonable argument is surely a leaden response.


The man who believes that he has free will is more easily controlled since he will never think to look for the chains--Burrhus

[color="Red"]The jews are a problem--not our ONLY or SOLE problem, not responsible for EVERY problem faced by gentiles, not some ALL-POWERFUL race that we shouldn't bother trying to resist, not an EXCUSE for avoiding responsibilty for problems of our own making --but nonetheless, A REAL, SERIOUS PROBLEM.--Burrhus

 
Posted : 01/03/2006 3:07 pm
Burrhus
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Do you honestly believe that a Jew would toss aside gold bullion as worthless, if diamonds became the system of money exchange? And then again, if paper money became the money of commerce, do you think the Jews would throw away their diamonds as worthless? No, the Jews in their infinite greed want the gold AND the diamonds AND the fiat money ALL for their own ... and they want you to give it all to them FOR FREE.

I don't recall there being any mention of diamonds in Paul's speech.

I agree with you that the jews are greedy and will grasp whatever wealth comes within their reach regardless of its form.

"The only reason that I fully understand what Ron Paul has written, and the only reason that I know that Ron Paul is full of bullstuff, is because I have read "The Lost Science of Money" by Stephen Zarlinga, someone who is far and away more qualified to discuss money than is Ron Paul."

Ron Paul is a well educated and very intelligent man who has spent 16 years in the House of Representatives with access to information about the inner workings of the cabal of deceptive banking/finance fraudsters that has plagued our economy. He may or may not be mistaken, but I doubt that he is full of bullstuff.

"Ron Paul does not understand what fiat money is, nor does he even understand what money is. And for him to recommend that gold is money and has an intrinsic value, shows his lack of knowledge. All he is doing is going along with the Jewish money swindle and leading people into further impoverishment at the hands of these demonic blood-sucking money monsters, the Jews." BB

Having read his speech 4 times and having used the "find on this page" function in the edit pull-down display, I find no use by him of the very critical word "intrinsic" which you attribute to him. I am quite confident in asserting that he believes the exact opposite, that is that gold has no intrinsic value as money (it does as jewelry or in industrial uses). Gold's value as money is instrumental in that it serves as a medium of exchange.

"The Federal Reserve Notes are not money and they are not fiat currency as Ron Paul claims. They are quite simply debt instruments whereby the People pay the Jews for the use of our own wealth. Through the Federal Reserve Swindle, the Jews get the money for free and they loan it to the government and to the People at interest. This interest is called the "National Debt" which is the debt that we allegedly owe the kikes but which, in fact, is nothing but a fraud and a swindle for which we owe them only a short dance at the end of a long rope ... the bankers and all of their relatives!" BB

Federal Reserve Notes are in fact money as most people experience every day when they use them as a medium of exchange in facilitating the daily buying and selling of goods and services.

The word fiat means "let it be done" as in the issuance of an arbitrary edict. The US government and the Fed simply declared by fiat that their paper dollars be known as and accepted as money. They could just as well have used macaroni noodles. The key fact is that they will not let their fiat money be subject to market forces to determine its real value in competition with other forms of money such as gold.

"On the other hand, fiat money is money that is Constitutional money which is spent into circulation by the Government]

"To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures" Article 1, section 8 US Const.

To coin money does not mean to create money. It means to take some commodity which is already accepted as money, such as scarce metals--gold, silver, nickel, copper and others--and to shape them into physical objects easily recognized as legitimate coin of the realm for safe, hopefully fraud-free use as a medium for exchange.

Your comment about the jews and the Bank of England's role in depressions and wars is accurate but beyond the scope of this discussion.

"As an example, Rome was built on fiat money. The money of Rome was made of brass and it served Rome for a thousand years. It was only after the moneychangers of Jerusalem got the corrupt Senate to move to a gold-based and silver-based money that Rome began to fall apart because the value of gold and silver can be manipulated simply by hoarding it or making it plentiful while the value of fiat money is controlled by the government." BB

There is too much inaccuracy here for me to go into. Sorry.

"Federal Reserve Notes are not controlled by the Government, they are controlled by the privately-Jew-owned corporation known as the Federal Reserve Bank which has never been audited and which is in business solely for private profit. It is a Class A corporation and all of its stock is owned by Jewish and foreign banks." BB

You seem to be implying that the government and the Fed are not in cahoots on this scam. (Is the word cahoots still understood? I'm getting old and we oldsters sometimes use words that have fallen out of fashion.) The two are fused at the hip and in it together.

Can you refer me to your source for the assertion that all of the stock is owned by jews and foreign banks. It may be, but I am not aware of that being the case.

"Because banking is an International Swindle, the wealth of the nations is manipulated in such a way that only the middlemen (the bankers and the Jews) can profit." BB

Banking is not by its nature necessarily a swindle but it has come to be functionally so. I agree with you that the jews and bankers are the primary profiteers of the current financial situation.

"If you believe that the so-called "economists" are real honest scientists who state Eternally-True-Economic-Facts, then you probably believe that our Congressmen are real honest politicians who pass Honest-And-Beneficial Laws. Both are paid handsomely by the bankers to mime the words that deceive the People and make the Jews rich." BB

I believe no such things and nothing that I have written on this forum or elsewhere should lead anyone to infer such beliefs on my part. If I am wrong, please refer me to statements that I have made that do lead to such conclusions.

I agree with you that most economists and politicians are in collusion with the jews and bankers in robbing us of our wealth. Ron Paul, however, is in my opinion an exception.

"Yes, the number one hoarders of gold in the world today are the Rothschild banking family. Why would the Jews hoard gold? Because it has value? No, but because it can be traded to fools who THINK that it has value in exchange for their farms, and factories, and houses, and labor. The present fraud known as the Federal Reserve System is DESIGNED to self-destruct because bankers actually make more money when people go broke than when they can get their interest and usury. A loan repaid, profits only the usury; but a loan not repaid, gives the banker the entire farm or house or business." BB

How can the jews be hoarding and trading gold at the same time?

What is really going on at the present time is that the FED is leasing its gold to gold bullion banks who are expected ro return it at the end of the lease. These banks then SELL the gold to insiders, including jews, who then outright own the gold. When the time comes for the bullion banks to return the leased gold to the Fed the price will be so high that they will unable to buy enough gold to fullfil their obligation and they will go bankrupt leaving the Fed short its gold--WHICH IS IN FACT OUR GOLD.

Those who bought the leased gold will then be in possession of good money when the Fed's fiat money goes bust. There is still time for non-insiders to convert their soon-to-be worthless Federal Reserve fiat money to gold before the collapse. If they know what good money is. As Paul tries to explain.

"The Jews WANT the system to crash so that people become desperate. Desperate people are like drowning men, grasping for straws. When the money system falls apart, the people (instead of demanding a debt free fiat money as guaranteed by the Constitution along with the arrest and prosecution of the Bankers) will grasp for the gold and silver that is offered to them IN EXCHANGE FOR THOUSANDS OF THEIR DOLLARS PER OUNCE." BB

Except for the part about the Constitutionally guaranteed fiat money, I agree with your assessment of the situation.

"And so, an ounce of gold which was 32 dollars per ounce before the Jew Franklin Delano Rosenvelt ordered Americans to turn in all of their gold to the Jews and which is over 400 dollars per ounce now, will be "worth" thousands of dollars per ounce. And so, when Federal Reserve Notes are worthless, gold will be procalimed super-precious and will be used to buy what FED dollars no longer can. And so, the Jews who have been swindling, buying up and hoarding gold, will have the gold necessary for stealing a world that is based upon gold -- IF they are allowed to do so and they can only do so IF they can deceive the People and bribe the politicians." BB

Franklin Roosevelt was an evil, worthless scumbag. I guess we agree on that.

If you recognize the fact that in the near future gold will be a more valuable form of money than Fed notes, ought you not to convert to gold now? Why let the jews corner the market? They want you to believe that government issued paper fiat money is good money. It isn't. Gold is better.

You can't counterfeit it.

"But to make the dollars worthless requires a competing currency that is solid. And so, the Euro was devised as a competing currency. Back and forth, the money goes through the greedy hands of the Jews who suck off a profit at every exchange. It is all a part of the Jewish Conspiracy and should be defeated." BB

What is really making US money, Fed notes, worth less is that the Fed and their government cronies are printing too many of them to pay for their wars and insider high-profit contracts. Counterfeiting.

"Jesus and Hitler Told the Truth about the Jews." BB

I think that there have been some others who have spoken the truth beside those two.


The man who believes that he has free will is more easily controlled since he will never think to look for the chains--Burrhus

[color="Red"]The jews are a problem--not our ONLY or SOLE problem, not responsible for EVERY problem faced by gentiles, not some ALL-POWERFUL race that we shouldn't bother trying to resist, not an EXCUSE for avoiding responsibilty for problems of our own making --but nonetheless, A REAL, SERIOUS PROBLEM.--Burrhus

 
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