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Burrhus
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Now there's a provocative thread title if I ever read (or wrote) one. And I am serious. "Are you an idiot, Burrhus, or a Fucktard?" I can hear being thought by One Who Will Go Un-Named. I don't think so but if I am, I guess that I would be too stupid to know that I am. I'll just toss my reasoning out for an evaluation of my possible idiocy.

As we all know, the Boy Scout motto is "Be Prepared". Taking that advice, let me speculate on what may, or may not, be a very optimistic future scenario. The looming "Clash of Civilizations" war will probably end in military disaster for ZOG and, in severe economic and social disruption throughout the world (this is not the optimistic part). This would set the stage for a White Nationalist revolution and ascendancy to power. I believe that this is a reasonable, though not inevitable, vision of the near future.

What will we White Nationalists do when we come to power? Specifically, with the jews?

We could get lucky and "SOMETHING" might cause them all to "disappear" from the surface of the earth immediately. While I know that that is a consummation devoutly to be wished by many here on VNNF and I myself would not shed a tear if it occured, let's be honest with ourselves...that's not likely to happen.

The masses of newly-awakened-to-the-jewish-problem white people would retain strong vestiges of Christian morality which would turn them against such a program. I doubt very much that even the most ardent WN, when confronted with actually having to personally participate in what he now fantasizes about, would not soon be repulsed on seeing the stark reality before his eyes of his actions. I know, you say that you could do it but could you really? Fantasy and reality are two different things.

Of course, as after every revolution in history, some pruning of the most dangerous members of the old guard would occur. That is to be expected and would receive little resistance.

And so we come to the next possible course of action..."extreme restraint" put on the jew's capacity to reproduce. I suspect that this would be a more palatable course of action for the masses of white people. The jews could voluntarily (or not voluntarily) choose to not reproduce or, as will be seen practical in my "final solution", any jewish woman who became pregnant would be deported along with the man who impregnated her.

The drawback to this option is that the jews would still remain among us for another 60-70 years and present a constant threat of finagling their way back into power. They are excellent finaglers. I don't recommend this option.

So here is the final solution. Save the state of Israel and force all 18,000,000 jews in the world to go there to live their weasley jewish in-group way of life. Yes, I can hear all of the objections but let me finish.

How can this be practically acheived? The assumption has been stated above that WNs have come to power and thus the jews have been stripped of all of their postions of power in the White Nations and the non-white nations. Media control, money, political influence, education, everything gone (bear with me, this an optimistic future scenario...but drooling at the thought is permitted). We would have them on their knees (no porno jokes, please).

The first step that would have to have been taken as a precursor to the WN ascendancy would be the total destruction of Israel's nuclear arsenal. This could be done by a group of crypto-WNs (whom we all hope exist) within the current US military. That done, there is little to fear from Israel's conventional military. It's barely strong enough to contain the Palestinians.

And now the heart of the solution...we buy Palestine from the Palestinians! All of what was British Mandate Palestine. Stay with me volken, there is method in my madness.

How do we pay for this? Can you hear the answer forming in your head? Can you guess what I am going to say? Think hard...itz coming...you've got it...that's right fellow WN...we wont. The jews will.

We confiscate the jews' wealth leaving them just enough to live on the same level in Israel as the level at which the Palestinians currently live.

The rest of the wealth will be used in two ways. Half of it would be divided equally amongst the Palestinians on a per person basis as payment for their agreement to surrender all future claims to the land. The other half would be given to the local communities in the neighboring Arab states which volunteered to re-settle some Palestinians in their territory with the wealth distributed in proportion to the number of Palestinians that they accept and peacefully assimilate.

Note that I stress that the wealth be given to the local communities and not to the corrupt central governments. Also that the Palestinians be peacefully assimilated. The newly created Federation of White Nations would monitor and enforce compliance with these conditions. The Federation would have given their (note the word their, not its) guarantee to the Palestinians of this deal and, as the most powerful political entity in the world, could easily compel compliance.

What have we got now? The jews stripped of their nuclear weapons, all living in one territorial state paid for with their own wealth, gone completely from the White Nations and the other non-white nations and with ony enough military capacity to defend themselves against the usual conflicts with neighboring states. Should they prove to be bad neighbors and piss off a large enough coalition of their neighbors, well, that's evolution. They might, it could happen, learn to be good neighbors. If they do, fine; if they don't...its not our problem.

The jews would find themselves as they ought to be...one in-group in a world of in-groups, no longer able to be the diasporic parasites that they have been for thousands of years. Perhaps contained in their blessed holy land, they might evolve genetically and culturally into a non-parasitic in-group amongst a world of similar in-groups. If they don't...well as I said...that's evolution.

Offered for your consideration.

No jews outside of a well contained Israel, just right.


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Posted : 01/03/2006 2:27 pm
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Actually, this idea makes a bit of sense.

It would be cleanest and quickest to simply freeze and seize joo bank accounts, then force them to emigrate to izzy. After that, a wall can be built around it all and the funding that props up that shitty little country can be cut off.

Nature will then take care of the rest, and our hands will be clean. Brilliant!


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Posted : 01/03/2006 3:52 pm
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This is in fact a good idea. Hitler and dr.Pierce would agree to it. Even the Palestinians would.


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Posted : 01/03/2006 4:35 pm
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This is in fact a good idea. Hitler and dr.Pierce would agree to it. Even the Palestinians would.

Hitler might have agreed to it in 1934 but today he would agree with me.

Dr. Pierce would not agree to it simply because the whole scenario is both improbable and too complicated to be do-able.

As far as destroying Israel's nukes, you would also have to take out their three, state-of-the-art, super-quiet, deisel submarines each armed with 24 nuclear-tipped cruise missiles all compliments of our treasonous politicians.

The only good idea about this plan is to talk around the subject enough that the scummy kikes don't get offended or alarmed so that we can go about being ineffective in dealing with these vermin while they continue their depredations upon Mankind.


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Posted : 01/03/2006 4:48 pm
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It sounds like something I'd love to see happen, but I'm afraid banjo billy's right, it's improbable and impractical.

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Posted : 01/03/2006 5:01 pm
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"How can this be practically acheived? The assumption has been stated above that WNs have come to power and thus the jews have been stripped of all of their postions of power in the White Nations and the non-white nations. Media control, money, political influence, education, everything gone (bear with me, this an optimistic future scenario...but drooling at the thought is permitted). We would have them on their knees (no porno jokes, please)."

I wonder, how you envision that. Jews have their money all around the globe, it's not the bags of coins anymore. They own the banking system, at least a huge chunk of it. What might a real force be, able to seize their posessions in USA, Europe, Asia and Africa at once? Is it any force to do it in USA? I don't think so. I hate to be pessimistic, but I think, it's unreal for now. But it's a positive sign that such ideas are floating.


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Posted : 01/03/2006 6:06 pm
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This reminds me of an Instauration article from about 10 years ago:

There are three main positions that jew-aware Whites take to explain why they hate Israel.
The first is their sympathy for the Arabs in Israel and the bordering countries. The second is that it is wrong for Jews to occupy someone else’s territory, so they should leave. The third is that Israel is run by Jews who are parasites and have caused great damage to non-Jews throughout the ages, so they consequently should not be allowed to have a homeland.

I would like to take this occasion to explain the hypocrisy and error of these three positions.

To say that it is wrong for the Israelis to torture Arabs or to take their land implies that we care for the well-being of Arabs. This may be a humanitarian concern but it is a gross political error. Our sociopolitical stance in regard to Arabs should never be more than complete indifference; our geopolitical stance should be cautious and distrustful.

The second position, where people pretend to support the moral “rights” of Arabs to their lost lands is plain stupid. The day the Muslim Turks decide to leave Europe and Anatolia because they suddenly feel bad about taking territory away from its 'original' inhabitants is as likely as a pig flying. It isn’t going to happen. Do such "champions" of the Palestinians plan on leaving the U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Argentina, Chili, etc.? I certainly hope not. We should avoid this blatant form of hypocrisy.

The last reason makes the most sense for hating the state of Israel. If you dislike Jews, then disliking the only Jewish country is as normal as getting rid of an ant’s nest to get rid of ants. But ants can’t understand that they are violating someone else’s space. That 5 or 6 million Jews who live in Israel should not be of any great concern to Americans. The 1.25 billion Chinese living in China should be of great concern. Jews are not nearly as powerful as they sometimes appear to be and as they sometimes think they are. They are masters of lies and deception. But Jews who live in the Middle East are not our next-door neighbors. This doesn’t imply that we should like them. Only that they must be viewed from a broader perspective.

Many people love to cry about the annual $5 billion that Israel gets from U.S. foreign aid. America’s foreign aid bill is $17+ billion. Do Americans care about the other $12+ billion which goes down the sewer? Foreign aid must be cut completely, not just to Israel.

One other point: innate Arab hostility to non-Muslims. When Arabs and other Muslims poured into the lberian Peninsula and stayed for all those centuries, they didn’t do it out of kindness. The truth is, Arab (Semitic) expansion is older than Islam. We territorial animals require land, as do all other hominids.

The Jews who currently possess what was once Palestine are a constant source of friction to the Arabs. Being the paranoids they are, Jews will do what they can to keep the Arabs weak in order to ensure their own safety. This in somewhat similar to the U.S. economic and political hegemony over Latin America. From an American perspective I can’t think of a better place to put the Jews than where they are. They hardly live in paradise, but they do feel a strong bond to the land. I sure as hell could care less about that piece of real estate. The fact that they keep the Arabs in check is also a great boon to Europe.

Please, Mr. Sharon, build a million condos in the West Bank and peace talks be damned. If you run out of Jews immigrating from Russia, there’s a whole slew of them here. We won’t mind a bit if you lure them away.
If-worst luck-Jews suddenly decide to give back what they call their homeland to the Arabs, where does the anti-Israel crowd think that the 6 million Jews will go? Be assured that Pakistan or Tanzania won’t take them.

Our best objective in regard to Jews who refuse to assimilate is to rid our own county of them. As far as Arabs are concerned, we should not involve ourselves in their affairs. There are hundreds of million more Arabs and about 1 billion more Muslims than Jews. We should work to end economic aid and across-the-board- political subservience to Israel. But we should also hope that as long as there are Jews, that they coagulate in Israel. Let them stay on their course.


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Posted : 01/03/2006 8:13 pm
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As far as destroying Israel's nukes, you would also have to take out their three, state-of-the-art, super-quiet, deisel submarines each armed with 24 nuclear-tipped cruise missiles all compliments of our treasonous politicians.

You're right about the Subs Banjo, reminds me of the Doctor Strangelove scenario which I saw as a young guy in the 1960's and have never forgotten. The jews were GIVEN these Subs by Germany because of the holocau$t fairy tale and their collective guilt complex.

My bet is they have quietly whispered in the halls and corridors of Power to all and sundry that if Israel is overrun these Subs would make Paris, Berlin and Moscow, Cairo etc disappear.

How do we defang these bastards? Maybe a secanrio where the Russian Technicians and their families working on Iran's Nuclear POWER stations are killed by the thousand when the US is tricked into attacking with tactical nukes. Maybe Russia with its mammoth Nuclear arsenal turns Israel into a sea of glass. Or if the Isralis send an Exocet into a US Carrier and thousands of Sailors drown, maybe a few US military guys take matters into their own hands.

But we'd still have the three Israeli Subs with their nukes. I wonder if the US doesn't have some way of tracking these?

They've got to come up for air.


 
Posted : 01/03/2006 10:39 pm
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"the whole scenario is both improbable and too complicated to be do-able."

"As far as destroying Israel's nukes, you would also have to take out their three, state-of-the-art, super-quiet, deisel submarines each armed with 24 nuclear-tipped cruise missiles all compliments of our treasonous politicians."--Banjo

My optimistic future scenario assumed that crypto-WNs in the US military would take out Israel's nuclear arsenal. That would include their submarines. They can't be that hard to find. I would guess that the US military knows where they are at all times. They always knew where the Soviet subs were. And, if those submarines are in fact diesel, they would have to show up in port for refueling.

"The only good idea about this plan is to talk around the subject enough that the scummy kikes don't get offended or alarmed so that we can go about being ineffective in dealing with these vermin while they continue their depredations upon Mankind."--Banjo

If you re-read my first post here, you will see that this thread is not primarily about how to strip the jews of power but about what to do after that occurs. I think that it is probable that there will be a "Clash of Civilizations" war soon, that the ZOG-US and Israeli militaries will not win that war (not that they will necessarily lose either--quagmire?) and that the massive economic and social disruption around the world will lead to White Nationalist revolutions. The jews will be exposed as the authors of this disaster and the world's non-jews will turn on their former overlords.

This is of course only conjecture on my part offered for the sake of discussion. The war, disruption, revolutions and loss of power by the jews are not inevitable but neither are they improbable. Improbable is a very ambiguous word. Since probable means that the chance of occurrence is greater than zero and less than one, improbable means that the chance of occurrence is either zero or one...impossible or certain.

In common usage, however, probable generally means that the chance of occurrence is at least greater than 1/2 and usually expresses the opinion that the chance of occurrence is approaching one (though never to reach one). Improbable generally means the opposite, less than 1/2 and approaching zero (also never reached).

Is it your contention that the events which I see as probably occurring--war,disruption, revolution, jews disempowered--have less than a 50/50 chance of occurring? That ZOG does not plan to expand its so-called War on Terror or "Clash of Civilizations" war? That the military bogged down in a winless quagmire and the disastrous disruption of the world economy will not lead to social upheavel? That in the event of worldwide social upheavel, White Nationalist revolutions would have less than a 50/50 chance of occurring and succeeding? That successful WN revolutions would not lead to the jews being disempowered?

My predictions could very well be inaccurate but they are not improbable.

"so that we can go about being ineffective in dealing with these vermin"-Banjo

How effective have we been so far? How does my plan for what we will do after we are successful, interfere in someway with any unspecified and unknown-to-me, effective action that WNs are currently planning or implementing? What is the effective plan that you believe will be stifled by this discussion of what to do after we are successful?

If you have an effective plan for dealing with the jewish menace, please tell us what it is. We are all good WNs here. We'll help. If you are afraid to reveal it in public lest the jews are forewarned, then is it really an effective plan if it can't be revealed and implemented?

In any case, my post was primarily about what we will do after we dis-empower the jews.

Merely offered for consideration.


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[color="Red"]The jews are a problem--not our ONLY or SOLE problem, not responsible for EVERY problem faced by gentiles, not some ALL-POWERFUL race that we shouldn't bother trying to resist, not an EXCUSE for avoiding responsibilty for problems of our own making --but nonetheless, A REAL, SERIOUS PROBLEM.--Burrhus

 
Posted : 02/03/2006 1:40 am
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RE: Burrhus

Thought provoking ideas in your thread.

But you really weren’t talking to me when you said the following...Were you?

I doubt very much that even the most ardent WN, when confronted with actually having to personally participate in what he now fantasizes about, would not soon be repulsed on seeing the stark reality before his eyes of his actions. I know, you say that you could do it but could you really?

I would rather be the one who pulls the lever on the gallows tomorrow, then to be the one to hit the lottery today. And I say this without a moment’s hesitation.


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Posted : 02/03/2006 2:10 am
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You are imagining things that bear no resemblance to any realistic estimate of future's outcome. The “Clash of Civilizations” scenario is another trick Jews have to make us fight on their behalf.


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Posted : 02/03/2006 6:24 am
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RE: Burrhus

Thought provoking ideas in your thread.

But you really weren’t talking to me when you said the following...Were you?

I would rather be the one who pulls the lever on the gallows tomorrow, then to be the one to hit the lottery today. And I say this without a moment’s hesitation.

Thank you for the compliment on the thought provoking nature of my post. That was precisely my point in making it...to provoke thought.

No, I was not addessing you personally but rather all WN VNNFers.

A more important question is this: Would you rather be the one who sends all of the world's dis-empowered jews to live in a safely contained Israel no longer able to be a menace to others, than to confront a line of 18,000,000 people in a public square and personally pull the gallow's lever and watch each of those 18,000,000 die a gruesome death before your own eyes, one after another after another and on and on 18,000,000 times?

Perhaps you could do that, I can't really say. But I hope that you will excuse if I am sceptical about that. Yes the jews are a problem but given the opportunity to solve that problem without having to personally kill 18,000,000 people, could you really do that? It's easy to say yes before being confronted with the task. The stark reality of it on the other hand would, I believe, lead to the more benign choice.

Of course, I could be wrong. Time will tell.


The man who believes that he has free will is more easily controlled since he will never think to look for the chains--Burrhus

[color="Red"]The jews are a problem--not our ONLY or SOLE problem, not responsible for EVERY problem faced by gentiles, not some ALL-POWERFUL race that we shouldn't bother trying to resist, not an EXCUSE for avoiding responsibilty for problems of our own making --but nonetheless, A REAL, SERIOUS PROBLEM.--Burrhus

 
Posted : 02/03/2006 9:52 am
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You are imagining things that bear no resemblance to any realistic estimate of future's outcome. The &#8220]

I agree with you that the "Clash of Civilizations" war is a trick of the jews to get others (us) to fight their war for them, though I do suspect that Israel itself will have to fight in this one.

Your second sentence seems to indicate that you believe that there will be a "Clash of Civilizations" war. Am I correct in so assuming?

But then I am a bit confused by the first sentence in your post. Is it your contention that ZOG-US and Israel will win that war without creating massive worldwide economic and social disruption? Or that they will become bogged down in a quagmire war (which is what I believe will happen) also not resulting in those same disruptions? Or perhaps I was wrong to assume that you believe that there will be such a war at all?

In what respect is my estimate not realistic? That there will be a war? That it will produce disruptions? That those disruptions will lead to social upheavel and revolutions against ZOG? That WNs might succeed in being the leaders of those revolutions and gain power?

I could be wrong on all counts but I don't think that I am being un-realistic. Or inordinately optimistic...only a little optimistic. After all, I could be right.

As I said, I am a bit confused about what you are saying and always willing to have my confusion dispelled.


The man who believes that he has free will is more easily controlled since he will never think to look for the chains--Burrhus

[color="Red"]The jews are a problem--not our ONLY or SOLE problem, not responsible for EVERY problem faced by gentiles, not some ALL-POWERFUL race that we shouldn't bother trying to resist, not an EXCUSE for avoiding responsibilty for problems of our own making --but nonetheless, A REAL, SERIOUS PROBLEM.--Burrhus

 
Posted : 02/03/2006 10:22 am
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White Nationalists cannot come to power in a society like this one. I think that the Jewish race must be exterminated to protect the White race. Nothing less is sensible.

Our society is so sick because of the low quality of the White population.

The only practical way to save that part of the White race worth saving from extinction, is to destroy the infrastructure of centralised society, i.e. mass-media, centralised control of government forces, electrical power etc. This will reduce the quantity of subhumans (90% White) arrayed against us enough that we can form our own vertically complete society.


 
Posted : 02/03/2006 10:54 am
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White Nationalists cannot come to power in a society like this one...
The only practical way to save that part of the White race worth saving from extinction, is to destroy the infrastructure of centralised society, i.e. mass-media, centralised control of government forces, electrical power etc. ...

If as you claim, "White Nationalists cannot come to power in a society like this one", in what kind of a society could they come to power? And how can WNs create such a society unless they already have power? You seem to be saying that in order for WNs to create a society where WNs could come to power such a society would have to already exist. WNs would have to already have the power needed to create a society in which they could come to power before creating such a society. Quite a logical dilemma here.

Or you could be saying that WNs will not create such a society until such time as the destruction that you anticipate alters social conditions to an extent that makes a White Nationalist ascent to power possible. How do think that that destruction will come about? Man made or some other force of nature? War?

Which is precisely what I am predicting will occur if, as I believe, the jews launch their "Clash of Civilizations" war and it brings on worldwide social and economic disruptions severe enough to make WN revolutions more likely to happen.

Perhaps we agree on some things.


The man who believes that he has free will is more easily controlled since he will never think to look for the chains--Burrhus

[color="Red"]The jews are a problem--not our ONLY or SOLE problem, not responsible for EVERY problem faced by gentiles, not some ALL-POWERFUL race that we shouldn't bother trying to resist, not an EXCUSE for avoiding responsibilty for problems of our own making --but nonetheless, A REAL, SERIOUS PROBLEM.--Burrhus

 
Posted : 02/03/2006 12:41 pm
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