If as you claim, "White Nationalists cannot come to power in a society like this one", in what kind of a society could they come to power?

The Germans did it under Hitler. But remember what it took to do. Germany was utterly defeated in the First World War and had large portions of its territory taken away. The entire city of Danzig was given to Poland. In 1922 hyperinflation took away the savings and wealth of the entire population. Hitler and his Nazis spread the word that jews were behind the financial collapse as well as every other kind of chicanery and debauchery, especially in Berlin.

Germany in the 1920's was not a multiracial cesspit like it is today. The Jews were FAR MORE VISIBLE in the racially homogenous Germany of that era, and were probably the largest single ethnic group in the country. When Hitler and Goebbels started to rail against the jews people believed them.

Imagine repeating that in America today.

I agree with you that the "Clash of Civilizations" war is a trick of the jews to get others (us) to fight their war for them, though I do suspect that Israel itself will have to fight in this one.

Your second sentence seems to indicate that you believe that there will be a "Clash of Civilizations" war. Am I correct in so assuming?

But then I am a bit confused by the first sentence in your post. Is it your contention that ZOG-US and Israel will win that war without creating massive worldwide economic and social disruption? Or that they will become bogged down in a quagmire war (which is what I believe will happen) also not resulting in those same disruptions? Or perhaps I was wrong to assume that you believe that there will be such a war at all?

In what respect is my estimate not realistic? That there will be a war? That it will produce disruptions? That those disruptions will lead to social upheavel and revolutions against ZOG? That WNs might succeed in being the leaders of those revolutions and gain power?

I could be wrong on all counts but I don't think that I am being un-realistic. Or inordinately optimistic...only a little optimistic. After all, I could be right.

As I said, I am a bit confused about what you are saying and always willing to have my confusion dispelled.

I do not believe in any "Clash of Civilizations". This scenario is based on the premise of an inevitable struggle between "democracy" and "terror". The premise is wrong because:
1 - We obviously do not live in any form of democracy.
2 - Terror is not an intrinsic state of Islam, being rather a response to the long chain of humiliations Muslims have felt on behalf of Jews and their totally subservient European/American governments.

As for all the "White revival", it is sufficient to recall the gorgeous Gibbon's account of on the decay of Roman Empire. "It was easier for Romans to win over Goths than to quit their degenerate lifestyle."

Now there's a provocative thread title if I ever read (or wrote) one. And I am serious. "Are you an idiot, Burrhus, or a Fucktard?" I can hear being thought by One Who Will Go Un-Named. I don't think so but if I am, I guess that I would be too stupid to know that I am. I'll just toss my reasoning out for an evaluation of my possible idiocy.

As we all know, the Boy Scout motto is "Be Prepared". Taking that advice, let me speculate on what may, or may not, be a very optimistic future scenario. The looming "Clash of Civilizations" war will probably end in military disaster for ZOG and, in severe economic and social disruption throughout the world (this is not the optimistic part). This would set the stage for a White Nationalist revolution and ascendancy to power. I believe that this is a reasonable, though not inevitable, vision of the near future.

What will we White Nationalists do when we come to power? Specifically, with the jews?

We could get lucky and "SOMETHING" might cause them all to "disappear" from the surface of the earth immediately. While I know that that is a consummation devoutly to be wished by many here on VNNF and I myself would not shed a tear if it occured, let's be honest with ourselves...that's not likely to happen.

The masses of newly-awakened-to-the-jewish-problem white people would retain strong vestiges of Christian morality which would turn them against such a program. I doubt very much that even the most ardent WN, when confronted with actually having to personally participate in what he now fantasizes about, would not soon be repulsed on seeing the stark reality before his eyes of his actions. I know, you say that you could do it but could you really? Fantasy and reality are two different things.

Of course, as after every revolution in history, some pruning of the most dangerous members of the old guard would occur. That is to be expected and would receive little resistance.

And so we come to the next possible course of action..."extreme restraint" put on the jew's capacity to reproduce. I suspect that this would be a more palatable course of action for the masses of white people. The jews could voluntarily (or not voluntarily) choose to not reproduce or, as will be seen practical in my "final solution", any jewish woman who became pregnant would be deported along with the man who impregnated her.

The drawback to this option is that the jews would still remain among us for another 60-70 years and present a constant threat of finagling their way back into power. They are excellent finaglers. I don't recommend this option.

So here is the final solution. Save the state of Israel and force all 18,000,000 jews in the world to go there to live their weasley jewish in-group way of life. Yes, I can hear all of the objections but let me finish.

How can this be practically acheived? The assumption has been stated above that WNs have come to power and thus the jews have been stripped of all of their postions of power in the White Nations and the non-white nations. Media control, money, political influence, education, everything gone (bear with me, this an optimistic future scenario...but drooling at the thought is permitted). We would have them on their knees (no porno jokes, please).

The first step that would have to have been taken as a precursor to the WN ascendancy would be the total destruction of Israel's nuclear arsenal. This could be done by a group of crypto-WNs (whom we all hope exist) within the current US military. That done, there is little to fear from Israel's conventional military. It's barely strong enough to contain the Palestinians.

And now the heart of the solution...we buy Palestine from the Palestinians! All of what was British Mandate Palestine. Stay with me volken, there is method in my madness.

How do we pay for this? Can you hear the answer forming in your head? Can you guess what I am going to say? Think hard...itz coming...you've got it...that's right fellow WN...we wont. The jews will.

We confiscate the jews' wealth leaving them just enough to live on the same level in Israel as the level at which the Palestinians currently live.

The rest of the wealth will be used in two ways. Half of it would be divided equally amongst the Palestinians on a per person basis as payment for their agreement to surrender all future claims to the land. The other half would be given to the local communities in the neighboring Arab states which volunteered to re-settle some Palestinians in their territory with the wealth distributed in proportion to the number of Palestinians that they accept and peacefully assimilate.

Note that I stress that the wealth be given to the local communities and not to the corrupt central governments. Also that the Palestinians be peacefully assimilated. The newly created Federation of White Nations would monitor and enforce compliance with these conditions. The Federation would have given their (note the word their, not its) guarantee to the Palestinians of this deal and, as the most powerful political entity in the world, could easily compel compliance.

What have we got now? The jews stripped of their nuclear weapons, all living in one territorial state paid for with their own wealth, gone completely from the White Nations and the other non-white nations and with ony enough military capacity to defend themselves against the usual conflicts with neighboring states. Should they prove to be bad neighbors and piss off a large enough coalition of their neighbors, well, that's evolution. They might, it could happen, learn to be good neighbors. If they do, fine]The jews are a long-thinking, devious, slippery people. Why wouldn't they escape their prison within a hundred or two hundred, if necessary, years -- after some idiotic bribable White government forgot who the jews are and why we put them there?

Answer: They would escape. And then it would start all over again and if you, Burrhus, were the fellow who talked the White World into this kinder gentler solution, you throughout whatever time remained to our people would be blamed in at least our perpetuity.

Hitler already tried the kinder gentler path. And look what happened.

The jews have put their bodies and lives in the way of our exit. They've decided on an all or nothing war, a war to the death -- theirs or ours. Their bodies and lives will have to be removed from that exit. Or we won't get out. No way out but through the jews.

That's the choice they've given us. They assume they know us well enough or have trained us well enough to know we won't choose the hard path. Let us pray they don't know us quite well enough.

 

The jews are a long-thinking, devious, slippery people. Why wouldn't they escape their prison within a hundred or two hundred, if necessary, years -- after some idiotic bribable White government forgot who the jews are and why we put them there?

Answer: They would escape. And then it would start all over again and if you, Burrhus, were the fellow who talked the White World into this kinder gentler solution, you throughout whatever time remained to our people would be blamed in at least our perpetuity.

Hitler already tried the kinder gentler path. And look what happened.

The jews have put their bodies and lives in the way of our exit. They've decided on an all or nothing war, a war to the death -- theirs or ours. Their bodies and lives will have to be removed from that exit. Or we won't get out. No way out but through the jews.

That's the choice they've given us. They assume they know us well enough or have trained us well enough to know we won't choose the hard path. Let us pray they don't know us quite well enough.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the scenario that I have painted comes to pass and the plan for dealing with the jews that I suggested is implemented. A worldwide Federation of White Nations exists and is the most powerful political and military force in the world.

The white population of the world has increased from the current 600 million to one billion...a reasonable supposition. The non-white population will have declined by an off-setting 400 million. So the world's population is stabilized at the current 6 billion plus...how many jews? We put 18 million in Israel one hundred years ago into a small territory with third world level wealth. Let's say that they are able to maintain that number, which is unlikely.

Six billion non-jews and 18 million jews. One billion white people with a strong military and 18 million jews with nothing but defensive weapons.

Is it your contention that after "some idiotic bribable White government forgot who the jews are and why we put them there?" that the jews, who are all "safely contained" in Israel as I stipulated and, lack wealth and military force, are going to re-conquer the world with the help of one "idiotic...white government"?

Where would they get the wealth needed to make the bribe? What makes you think that the other 30 or so white nations in the Federation would be stupid enough to let the "idiotic white nation" ally themselves with the jews? For that matter, what makes you think that even one white nation would forget "who the jews are and why we put them there"? Forget?

Let's say that your right and 100 million people whole-heartedly agree with their "idiotic white government" to co-operate with the jews. That's 118 million people against a powerful force of 900 million whites who didn't forget. Is it your contention that this small group of jews and collaborators could defeat a force of 900 million White Nationalists? Do you think that the white people one hundred years from now will be that stupid and weak? You will excuse me if I have a better opinion of our race.

What kind of threat could 18 million jews be while "safely contained" in a small territory and not permitted to leave, stripped of their wealth and offensive military, without their current control of the world's communication media and without political influence in the other countries of the world? If you really believe that they could once again, under those conditions, be a menace to the White Nations as they are now, then we might as well all join up with them now because they must truly be the Chosen People that they say they are.

I choose to not believe that they are the Chosen People. I choose not to join up with them. I choose not to believe that they are some super-race able to outwit and conquer the White race under such conditions of deprivation as my plan calls for.

They aren't supermen. They're mortals. This inordinate fear of them is...unseemly.

If they try to pull some shit one hundred years from now, some Devere of the future who has not "forgotten" will certainly step forward and recommend your solution. So be it.

Do you really have what it takes to take Brutus' place in the public square and pull that gallow's lever 18,000,000 times and face the stark reality of what will be before your eyes? Dig deep and ask yourself...could you really do it? Really?

Or do you see other hands on that lever?

Yes, nicely thought out response. And it is all conjecture on the part of all of us. So, we can all offer our ideas and throw them around to see if anything is improved.

If you re-read my first post here, you will see that this thread is not primarily about how to strip the jews of power but about what to do after that occurs. ... The jews will be exposed as the authors of this disaster and the world's non-jews will turn on their former overlords.

The Jews are, indeed, the author's of the world's disasters. But they are also experts at putting the blame on others. Such things as who were the owners and profiteers of the African Slave Trade or the Chinese Opium Trade were cleverly blamed on the white people and the English, as just two of many examples of their hypocrisy and treachery. Pearl Harbor and 9/11 are two examples of how they place the blame on Japanese or Muslims to advance their political aims. So, to think that any future disasters can easily be blamed on the authors of such future disasters, is not understanding the full deviousness of the Jews. They are first class criminals and are not slow in covering their tracks and leaving false clues and red herrings.

Is it your contention that ...That successful WN revolutions would not lead to the jews being disempowered?

Of course, a successful WN revolution would disempower the Jews. But the chance of this actually happening, is not very great especially since the Jews already are doing everything that they can to prevent such an inevitablility. Why do you think they promote race-mixing, limitless immigration and gun control if not to dilute the threat that we are to them?

My predictions could very well be inaccurate but they are not improbable....

If you have an effective plan for dealing with the jewish menace, please tell us what it is. We are all good WNs here. We'll help. If you are afraid to reveal it in public lest the jews are forewarned, then is it really an effective plan if it can't be revealed and implemented?

There is a very simple way to deal with the Jews. Just start killing them off one at a time, starting with the leaders ... media moguls, bankers, lawyers, doctors, scientists, politicians, rabbis, etc. It has to happen sooner or later. Whether by a successful WN revolution where we round them all up and nuke them into obvlivion or one at a time. DEATH TO THE JEWS is an ancient and time-honored tradition among those who find these swine to be unbearable.

This is a simple plan and can be practiced by anyone, anywhere and at any time. But one must have the mindset of a Hunter, stalking the prey and completing a successful hunt, adding first one and then another and another to the game bag, evasion of a response, and onward to the next hunt. And it is not only do-able, but makes a good hobby.

It is a mark of an enlightened civilization where killing Jews is not a crime. After all, this is merely the reverse of what they teach each other in their Talmud, that killing non-Jews is not a crime. So, this is just giving the Jews their own medicine. And it is a medicine that not only is well deserved but leads to a cure of the entire Jewish Problem.

But the Jews have been hated for thousands of years, so they are a skittish and wary prey. So bagging these critters is a challenge worthy of any Hunter.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the scenario that I have painted comes to pass and the plan for dealing with the jews that I suggested is implemented. A worldwide Federation of White Nations exists and is the most powerful political and military force in the world.

The white population of the world has increased from the current 600 million to one billion...a reasonable supposition. The non-white population will have declined by an off-setting 400 million. So the world's population is stabilized at the current 6 billion plus...how many jews? We put 18 million in Israel one hundred years ago into a small territory with third world level wealth. Let's say that they are able to maintain that number, which is unlikely.

Six billion non-jews and 18 million jews. One billion white people with a strong military and 18 million jews with nothing but defensive weapons.

Is it your contention that after "some idiotic bribable White government forgot who the jews are and why we put them there?" that the jews, who are all "safely contained" in Israel as I stipulated and, lack wealth and military force, are going to re-conquer the world with the help of one "idiotic...white government"?

Where would they get the wealth needed to make the bribe? What makes you think that the other 30 or so white nations in the Federation would be stupid enough to let the "idiotic white nation" ally themselves with the jews? For that matter, what makes you think that even one white nation would forget "who the jews are and why we put them there"? Forget?

Let's say that your right and 100 million people whole-heartedly agree with their "idiotic white government" to co-operate with the jews. That's 118 million people against a powerful force of 900 million whites who didn't forget. Is it your contention that this small group of jews and collaborators could defeat a force of 900 million White Nationalists? Do you think that the white people one hundred years from now will be that stupid and weak? You will excuse me if I have a better opinion of our race.

What kind of threat could 18 million jews be while "safely contained" in a small territory and not permitted to leave, stripped of their wealth and offensive military, without their current control of the world's communication media and without political influence in the other countries of the world? If you really believe that they could once again, under those conditions, be a menace to the White Nations as they are now, then we might as well all join up with them now because they must truly be the Chosen People that they say they are.

I choose to not believe that they are the Chosen People. I choose not to join up with them. I choose not to believe that they are some super-race able to outwit and conquer the White race under such conditions of deprivation as my plan calls for.

They aren't supermen. They're mortals. This inordinate fear of them is...unseemly.

If they try to pull some shit one hundred years from now, some Devere of the future who has not "forgotten" will certainly step forward and recommend your solution. So be it.

Do you really have what it takes to take Brutus' place in the public square and pull that gallow's lever 18,000,000 times and face the stark reality of what will be before your eyes? Dig deep and ask yourself...could you really do it? Really?

Or do you see other hands on that lever?

Yes, based on historical evidence, I think the jews, starting with nothing except their presence in the White World Confederation would very likely, over (long) time, take control again and destroy the White World.

No, I could myself not pull that lever, as you've described it. But let me describe a painless, more gradual lever -- the type the jews have been using on us:

1. Jews can only live in Israel but must allow unlimited immigration of negroes into Israel.

2. Forced genetic assimilation. Laws forbid jews from marrying or having children with jews.

3. Laws disallowing jews from having children -- or more than one child.

4. Jews must marry and mate only negroes.

Wouldn't those laws be fun? (They're just the laws jews have established for us, more or less.) With such laws, the jews wouldn't even have to stay in Israel. The jews will have disappeared within 100 years -- painlessly, so to speak.

Yes, based on historical evidence, I think the jews, starting with nothing except their presence in the White World Confederation would very likely, over (long) time, take control again and destroy the White World.

I guess that there is one point that I have not made clear enough. Israel will NOT be a member of the Federation of White Nations. I assumed that most WNs don't consider jews to be real white people. All jews will be forced to live in Israel and will not be allowed to leave.

1. Jews can only live in Israel but must allow unlimited immigration of negroes into Israel.

Come, come now, Devere, do you really hate darkies that much that you would force them live with and to mate with jews? Even darkies deserve better than that. (Just kidding...sort of.)

Besides, though not part of my solution to the jew problem, all darkies will be living in the parts of Africa that are suitable for them (not Rhodesia or South Africa). Observing how evolution deals with them will be an interesting study for biologists in the future. Who knows...they might evolve into humans.

2. Forced genetic assimilation. Laws forbid jews from marrying or having children with jews.

My great-grandchildren will not be mischlings!

3. Laws disallowing jews from having children -- or more than one child.

4. Jews must marry and mate only negroes.

Wouldn't those laws be fun? (They're just the laws jews have established for us, more or less.) With such laws, the jews wouldn't even have to stay in Israel. The jews will have disappeared within 100 years -- painlessly, so to speak

The reproductive out-put of a jewish female is a jew. Cross-breeding them won't work. Contain them forever in an evolutionarily degrading in-bred Israel.

No jews outside of a safely contained Israel, just right.