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http://www.israpundit.com/2006/?p=565
avid Horovitz, THE JERUSALEM POST Mar. 20, 2006
Dr. John Hagee, the American evangelical pastor who last month announced plans for a Christian-style AIPAC, says the organization is a “canopy group” encompassing Christian supporters of Israel from across America and is coming together “with a speed and harmony I never would have believed possible.”
Hagee says he attempted something similar, though on a smaller scale, 25 years ago, but to no avail. “I called 30 pastors together… At the end of the first hour, I lost 29 of them.” Now, by contrast, “I called 400 [pastors] and all 400 have agreed to participate in Christians United for Israel.”
The San Antonio, Texas-based Hagee specifies three primary aims for the group: one, to unite Christian supporters of Israel to speak “with one voice for a common cause”; two, to establish a “rapid response” capability that can flood Capitol Hill with e-mails, faxes and phone calls at short notice on issues of concern to Israel; and three, to organize “Night to Honor Israel” events in every major US city “so that the Jewish people can see and feel Christians expressing the love of God to them without a hidden agenda.”
The new initiative by Hagee, who has collected and distributed millions of dollars to Israeli causes over the past 25 years, raises questions about what precisely he means by “support for Israel” and whether there are conditions for that support. In an interview with The Jerusalem Post, he said “Christians United for Israel is completely loyal to the positions of the Bible” and that he does not seek to influence the Israeli government or to support political candidates in Israel or America. But that “loyalty” to the Bible, in his interpretation, for instance, means not backing the relinquishing of biblical territory.
It’s an apparent contradiction that he reconciled as follows: “The Bible says that God gave the Jewish people this sacred land. ‘It’s yours. Don’t give it away. If you choose to give it away, that’s your business. We’re still friends, although we feel you make the wrong choice. I wouldn’t stop supporting Israel because of your choice.’”
Interviewed by the Post at the recent AIPAC national convention in Washington, DC, where he was warmly received by many delegates, Hagee also carefully explained his thinking on the incendiary issue of evangelical attitudes to Jews and Judaism.
In precise and deliberate language, flavored with a rich, deep Texas drawl, he asserted that a growing majority of evangelical leaders do not preach “replacement theology, which teaches that the Church has replaced Israel” and the Jews “have no future in the plan of God.” The vast majority of evangelicals, rather, teach that “the Christians have a Bible mandate to be supportive of Israel and the Jewish people without a hidden agenda.”
True to that interpretation, Hagee said, “I do not target Jews for conversion.”
Nonetheless, he stressed, “If you come into my church [of your own volition], you are asking to hear my witness of Jesus Christ and you’re going to get it, wide open.”
In your conception, how should a Christian support Israel?
We began to actively support Israel 25 years ago when the American media responded hatefully toward Israel when the IDF blew up the nuclear reactor in Iraq. The media in America was extremely fierce against Israel, and I felt that Israel had done the world a great favor. I proposed to my congregation and the pastors of San Antonio that we gather all the Christians of our city and go down town to the city auditorium and have a “Night to Honor Israel” to show support for the nation of Israel and the Jewish people.
I had a meeting with [members of] the local Jewish Federation, who were very concerned about hidden agendas. It took four lengthy committee meetings to convince them there was no hidden agenda or ulterior purpose. On the night of the event the auditorium was packed. We had our choir, our orchestra, and our television cameras so that we could show the event across the nation. It was a wonderful celebration of unity between Christians and Jews.
Just at the end of the celebration there was a threat on the building, to blow it up. While [San Antonio] Rabbi [Aryeh] Sheinberg was praying, the security came to me and said “this building is supposed to blow up in about five minutes.”
I went to the microphone when the rabbi finished and said, “I hate to end such a wonderful night on a negative note, but we have a threat on this building.”
And the Christians left that building instantly, because they had never experienced such a threat. The Jewish people flipped their hands and just kept on talking.
On the way home, I told my wife that “if the anti-Semites think they can silence us with a threat, they are mistaken. I’m going to do this until they get used to it.”
So 25 years later, we’re continuing to do “A Night to Honor Israel,” only now we’re doing it over live national television so the world can experience it as it goes across America and into 126 countries.
Hagee’s “Night to Honor Israel” is a non-conversionary event. We do not target Jewish people for conversion. If a Jewish person comes to me and asks me about my faith, I am under a Bible mandate to tell him about my faith. If he accepts or rejects my faith, it does not enhance nor depreciate that person in my view. From that point we agree to go forward in mutual esteem working on behalf of Israel. All Christians are under a Bible mandate to be supportive of Israel and to be supportive of the Jewish people.
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Posted : 25/03/2006 8:01 pm
These xtians are as much an enemy as the kikes themselves.
"At every door-way,
ere one enters,
one should spy round,
one should pry round
for uncertain is the witting
that there be no foeman sitting,
within, before one on the floor." -Odin, from the Hávamál (Olive Bray's translation)
Posted : 25/03/2006 8:16 pm
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These xtians are as much an enemy as the kikes themselves.
Certainly not all Christians buy into this. People who get their religion via TV buy into this...
Posted : 25/03/2006 8:26 pm
Certainly not all Christians buy into this. People who get their religion via TV buy into this...
I know. While I don't like xtianity in any form, I know that there are plenty of xtians who hate jews. I was just refering to the ones who don't. They are the ones who are willing to aid and abet them, and thus are enemies along with the jews.
"At every door-way,
ere one enters,
one should spy round,
one should pry round
for uncertain is the witting
that there be no foeman sitting,
within, before one on the floor." -Odin, from the Hávamál (Olive Bray's translation)
Posted : 25/03/2006 8:37 pm
Certainly not all Christians buy into this. People who get their religion via TV buy into this...
This guy is mentally ill. If you stare at this picture long enough, you will become mentally ill.
Posted : 25/03/2006 8:39 pm
I think many christians are mentally ill as displayed by the anonymous and cowardly poster who put this filth in my rep box-
Race,Soul and... 03-26-2006 07:24 AM Fuck you and Fuck Wotan! You fucking freak-a-zoid!
Black twelve-armed holy sun.
Rise! Rise! holy black sun.
Posted : 26/03/2006 12:51 am
Not all White christians believe that jews are "God's Chosen People".
Not all White christians believe that "heaven" is only attained through the jew because "God" told the jew this is so.
Other than that, christianity is a good sound religion that encourages good moral values.
Christians are just as subject to propaganda concerning diversity, etc., as any one else.
If a White christian believes that the jew is salvation, then they need to re-examine their religious doctrines.
If a White christian sees that the jew has NOTHING to do with salvation, and that the jew is inherently a liar and a thief, then this White christian KNOWS the differences that we speak of.
We are not into bashing White christians for their values and beliefs.
We are bashing the JEW in the White christian religion that taints their good values and beliefs.
Posted : 26/03/2006 1:24 am
=Shirt]Not all White christians believe that jews are "God's Chosen People".
It is a very poor christian that does not accept on faith the teachings of his holy scriptures as transmitted to him by his master, the Jew.
[color="Red"]3 I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant,
4 Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to all generations. Selah.
5 And the heavens shall praise thy wonders, O LORD: thy faithfulness also in the congregation of the saints.[Psalm 89:3-5]
29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.
30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
33 Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.
34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah. [salm 89:29-37]
1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; ) unto this day.
9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.[Romans 1:1-32]
Not all White christians believe that "heaven" is only attained through the jew because "God" told the jew this is so.
Other than that, christianity is a good sound religion that encourages good moral values.
`Good sound religion`? Then why has it emasculated our race? Why do supposed white nationalist choose to follow a religion that was forced upon their ancestors by the sword and an alien, SEMITIC religion at that?
Why reject the ways of your ancestors for a religion of slaves?
Christians are just as subject to propaganda concerning diversity, etc., as any one else.
If a White christian believes that the jew is salvation, then they need to re-examine their religious doctrines.
On the contrary THEY created the propaganda in the first place!
[color="Red"]27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.[Galations 3:27-29]
Not forgetting the words of your own very Jewish `messiah`:
[color="Red"]22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.[John 4]
If a White christian sees that the jew has NOTHING to do with salvation, and that the jew is inherently a liar and a thief, then this White christian KNOWS the differences that we speak of.
We are not into bashing White christians for their values and beliefs.
We are bashing the JEW in the White christian religion that taints their good values and beliefs.
The Jew is the very foundation of christianity.Without it there would be no christianity and no christ!
Black twelve-armed holy sun.
Rise! Rise! holy black sun.
Posted : 26/03/2006 1:45 am
I am not a christian.
I understand what you are saying.
I am merely stating that there are many good White christians who DO NOT believe that the jews are their "salvation".
Whether this makes them a "good" christian or not, I let them argue that amongst themselves.
Whether it appears to be a dichotomy or not, I had not really thought about that.
I am only saying that there are many White christians who see the jew for what they are.
I don't care if this makes them a "good" christian or not.
I don't care if this appears to be a dichotomy or not.
I just know that in the process of them recognizing the fact that jews are liars and thieves and NOT the vessel of their "salvation", then "good" christian or not, they know the jew for what the jew is.
As far as whose side will they fight on? Some for the jew, some against the jew. The exact numbers remain to be seen.
Posted : 26/03/2006 2:19 am
I am not a christian.
I understand what you are saying.
I am merely stating that there are many good White christians who DO NOT believe that the jews are their "salvation".
Whether this makes them a "good" christian or not, I let them argue that amongst themselves.
Whether it appears to be a dichotomy or not, I had not really thought about that.
I am only saying that there are many White christians who see the jew for what they are.
I don't care if this makes them a "good" christian or not.
I don't care if this appears to be a dichotomy or not.
I just know that in the process of them recognizing the fact that jews are liars and thieves and NOT the vessel of their "salvation", then "good" christian or not, they know the jew for what the jew is.
As far as whose side will they fight on? Some for the jew, some against the jew. The exact numbers remain to be seen.
You admit that the christian `white nationalist` cannot be relied upon or trusted in a conflict. Then why admit them into our ranks? Why not banish them for being the double-minded souls that they are?
We cannot afforded divided loyalties when we are struggling to the death for our biological survival.
Clearly such people are either poor christians or poor racialists or more likely both. Let them choose between their race and the `god` of their racial enemy, the Jew!
Black twelve-armed holy sun.
Rise! Rise! holy black sun.
Posted : 26/03/2006 2:53 am
As far as whose side will they fight on? Some for the jew, some against the jew. The exact numbers remain to be seen.
I completely understand the warrior ethic that runs through your blood and your spirit.
Believe me when I say it runs through mine also.
As a warrior, you understand the percentage of those who stand their ground and fight are not the same number as those who pledge to do so.
As with all societies, there are warriors, statesmen, scholars, merchants, educators, agricultural experts, scientists, et al.
As a warrior, you understand that we need contain certain qualities beyond the other citizenry.
We do what we know best, just as they do.
As a warrior, you know it is not good strategy to place a weapon in the hands of the cobbler and have him do justice to either the weapon or the battle.
As a warrior, you also know when to fight and not to fight.
It is still a word battle, a game of chess, non-violent confrontations.
And so the blacks and the mex's are fighting with each other.
Good. Let them go for it.
From the way things are going, our time to fight will come.
And as a warrior, you will understand that it is we, the warriors, who will fight the fight.
And those who wish to join us, who knows how many or few, will need a crash course in the art of being a warrior.
We will have our work cut out for us, scattered across the country as we are.
In the meantime, it is still a political chess game.
Posted : 26/03/2006 3:19 am
Who gives a shit. This bullshit has to end if you all have not noticed the white race is going to hell in a hand basket. We better get our shit together and fast. We need to unite as white people. You think those shit colored mexicans all believe in the same thing? But they sure as hell know that they are mexicoons and stick together on that issue of uniting as one no matter what personal beliefs one might have. It is the same with all of the rest of the shit skins.
We need to come together and quick. I really do not give two shits what you believe in as long as you are pro white.
nothing says lovin' like a jew in the oven
"What do you expect? All we got on this team are a bunch a Jews, spics, niggers, pansies -- and a booger-eatin' moron!"
Tanner Boyle - short stop for the Bad News Bears.
Posted : 26/03/2006 3:35 am
Who gives a shit. This bullshit has to end if you all have not noticed the white race is going to hell in a hand basket. We better get our shit together and fast. We need to unite as white people. You think those shit colored mexicans all believe in the same thing? But they sure as hell know that they are mexicoons and stick together on that issue of uniting as one no matter what personal beliefs one might have. It is the same with all of the rest of the shit skins.
We need to come together and quick. I really do not give two shits what you believe in as long as you are pro white.
You are deluding yourself. The possession of a Semitic mindset is the barrier that prevents white people from `uniting`. History is made only by individuals. We need to form an elite amongst our race, a leadership cadre in line with the Fuehrerprinzip.
Black twelve-armed holy sun.
Rise! Rise! holy black sun.
Posted : 26/03/2006 4:06 am
But we ARE coming together.
Just because we are busy working and supporting our families and not demonstrating in the streets like a bunch of wetbacks does not mean we are not.
We are coming together in the political arena.
And that's where it counts.
Let the spotlight stay on the mex's.
It's pissing off Whites everywhere, and they need to get pissed off.
Why should I care if the blacks and mex's are fighting with each other over the welfare roles? Other than the fact they are pissing off White America like nothing else has done in a long time.
We'll come out on top.
Always have, always will.
As far as personal survival, do what you need to do.
I believe Quietus had some excellent advice on this awhile back.
When it comes right down to it, we help each other survive at the community level. No matter what the hell is going on around us.
Posted : 26/03/2006 4:07 am