Perhapes your beliefs have some validity I don't know but we have to deal with the here and now not the maybe or could be.

You can scoff.

Scoff...Scoff...

What you are talking about is the Mind, also known as the Demon. People start by thinking they are smart, chatting away with "ghosts" (their own brain) but pretty soon they are freaked out and screwy in the head, can't explain what they are talking about and that's when they need to realize they have got to the Demonic part of the brain.

Most all "spirituality" of today is Demonic, including all those spiritualists on TV. The hosts know they are con artists, the audience is all letting themselves be led astray, as they have gone to the Demonic side and think it's fun. It's an old woman kind of way to get some excitement in your life. If you are still alive and kicking, you need to work at real accomplishments, not talking to "ghosts".

What you are talking about is the Mind, also known as the Demon. People start by thinking they are smart, chatting away with "ghosts" (their own brain) but pretty soon they are freaked out and screwy in the head, can't explain what they are talking about and that's when they need to realize they have got to the Demonic part of the brain.

Most all "spirituality" of today is Demonic, including all those spiritualists on TV. The hosts know they are con artists, the audience is all letting themselves be led astray, as they have gone to the Demonic side and think it's fun. It's an old woman kind of way to get some excitement in your life. If you are still alive and kicking, you need to work at real accomplishments, not talking to "ghosts".

No. You're way off. Nothing like that at all. I don't spend much time now on this subject, having proven to my own rational and intellectual satisfaction that very likely there is a non-physical realm and we have souls and our souls are immortal or close to it. Having established this, it has simply become a part of my reality-view.

We each, over the course of our lives, develop a world-view or reality-view. With each new fact encountered or believed truth uncovered, we add to or subtract from our reality-view. With thoughtful time, our reality-view moves ever nearer to the truth. How do we know we are coming closer to the truth -- because, like any good scientific theory, increasingly, each new fact or perceived truth reinforces rather than alters our reality-view. Of course, until we pass over, as they say, we can't absolutely prove the existence of a spiritual realm of reality. My own reality-view is complex, well-thought-out, well-chiseled. It changes now in small ways, no longer large ways.

If you find truth in my posts in general, it's only because there is truth in my reality-view from which those posts emanate.

As a reminder, I'm 64 -- reaching the point when, in past, more Aryan, less jewish days, I would have been beginning to be considered an elder and my words given some assumption of credence, rather than casual dismissal. If I tell you "there are more things in heaven and earth, than are dreamt of in your philosophy" (Hamlet), you may do well to pay attention. If I tell you this despite the fact of our present situation in this world, perhaps you should consider that the very fact of our present physical world challenge is one reason I am telling you of this aspect of reality.

By the way, I believe we live this life -- not to spend our days here dwelling on some other after-life or, worse, to leave this life before our job is done -- but, instead, to make the most of our precious chance of physical life to improve this world, improve our people. In other words, I did not start this thread to suggest for you an escape to some better immortal world -- no, the opposite, to give you a larger longer truer perspective on this life, this world. We may actually witness over a thousand life-times the rise and fall and perhaps rise again of our race. Birth or rebirth into this world is our individual opportunity to impact the direction of this world, of this world's most highly evolved people. We must make the most of our opportunity, take it seriously. Think of the great chance you have been given -- to have been born White. You must be already highly evolved in soul to have been so gifted -- or it is your chance to become so.

And, in saying this, I'm reminding not just you, but myself. Indeed, perhaps each day we should each give thanks to the universe for our having been born White and pledge to the universe and our true immortal selves that we will try to live up to the possibilities of that great gift.

Devere, very though-provoking. Although I do not agree with your POV for a non-corporeal existence, for me the real question is why do we feel a need to believe in it? This has been with us since Neandertal. Religions; pre-Christian, Christian, post-Christian have dealt with this issue.

It is not unreasonable. The human brain is the most complex structure in the known universe. One may question; is the brain mere meat (although extremely complex), or does the complexity itself, somehow generate some non-physical abilities?

I don't really know if this can be answered. I am a "believer" in some postulates made by Kurt Godel; mathematician and logician. Paraphrasing Godel, he said that a system cannot ever know the nature of the operating system that is running on it. This applies both for computers and humans. I assume that this conclusion is the product of some very complex mathematical logic. Despite this, it has the ring of truth to it.

BTW, your posts were a major reason why I decided to register at VNN. I had been a long time lurker .

I decided to post this post as the start of its own thread. I posted it in the Opposition Forum: http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=40587

I'm convinced that, perhaps rather than parallel universes (there may be those as well, we'll never know), there is, at least, one parallel realm of reality: call it spiritual. This other realm of reality exists and functions outside of and beyond the realm of the physical laws of the physical universe. I imagine it has its own unbreakable laws.

There is some rather good scientific evidence for the existence of this spiritual realm of reality -- one bit of which evidence is incorporeal you and me (the existence of your consciousness -- and mine), our sense of self, of existence.

But there is evidence that our sense of self is actually a dim consciousness of our own immortality -- in this other realm of reality. I said evidence.

There are two types of such evidence -- objective (scientific) (experimental and observational) and subjective (personal) (testimonial). In confirmation of the former, I highly recommend you (all you who happen to read this post and are interested) read two books:

1. The Afterlife Experiments by Gary Schwartz, PhD (an actual scientist), in which this scientist conducts a progressive series of objective experiments seeking to establish whether or not certain people can communicate with the dead -- that is, seeking to prove that people living in the physical realm (this universe) can communicate with immortal consciousness residing in the spiritual realm of reality. If he can establish such communication, then he has actually established the existence of that other (spiritual) realm of reality. I think, by the end, he succeeds in so doing.

2. Old Souls by Tom Shroder in which this reporter chronicles some of the cases investigated and documented by a psychiatrist -- Dr. Ian Stevenson. These are cases in which children, as soon as they are able to speak, state that their present parents are NOT their parents and they want to go home to their parents and family or wife/husband. Sometimes it has been possible for these children to physically then go to the home of local family who these CHILDREN claim is their true family, who had recently suffered the death of a family member -- and about whom they (the children) are able to give personal life details that could only be known if they (the children) were that family member who had quite recently died. This is the kind of case and evidence this psychiatrist accumulated over many decades -- he has/had documented hundreds of such cases. Note that this psychiatrist (and the author of this book) witnessed first hand the encounters he subsequently documented. This is genuine evidence (there are levels of evidence). True, everyone in both families could have been lying and faking it. But how likely is that -- time and again, via many such witnessed cases? Again, very convincing. Here's some personal confirmation. On Thanksgiving (the day before yesterday), I discussed this book with a friend -- a woman and mother of a daughter. She told me that when her daughter (who is now 18 years old) first began to speak, she said over and over again: "I want to go home. Take me home." My friend had dismissed this and not thought about it and had not considered the possibility until our conversation on Thanksgiving, that her daughter may have literally meant what she said. Of course, such cases, if valid, establish the truth of the ancient Aryan belief in reincarnation -- which, in turn, establishes the existence of a spiritual realm of reality.

The other type of evidence is subjective. It is the personal testimony of thousands of people who have had some kind of direct and personal communication with someone close to them who has died or have had other non-physical experiences of this spiritual realm, such as out of body or near death experiences. I have personally had a fairly dramatic out of body experience (it was actually a kind of near death experience) and direct communication with someone dear to me who had just died.

I am now personally convinced of the actual existence of this other realm of reality -- and that we are, at this spiritual level of reality, immortal souls.

You can scoff. I know it to be true.

By the way, I am and have been since early childhood a follower of objective science. I am not religious in any conventional way. I just believe that the case for a spiritual realm has been sufficiently proven to my satisfaction that there is no reason not to believe it as a fact.

I'll second that, being on the road to "elderhood" -but in my own life is something I have felt from a small child. What I thought was weird is that not everyone else "saw" it too. This is not about religion for me either. I also could care less if people make fun of us. For me , it's not about "believe", its like you "just know", the way you "just know" if it's cold out, or if you sense fear or sense someone watching you ,(or "know" blacks are scary?) call it whatever, its just another part of things we are gifted with that we dont pay attention to-(please dont confuse what Devere and I are talking about with "ms Cleo" jew media movies,and those fags on Oprah who exploit grieving people by "cold reading" them", that stuff IS evil, sick and pathetic)..
I too know about parallel universes,a nd living more than one life at the same time...(tiring, isnt it?)
Thanks D., for having the courage to start a thread about something you believe, knowing you might draw fire..
:cheers: ] [/IMG]

Doesn't modern day Quantum Physics generally prove the idea that there are realities which lie in seperate dimensions from ours and that we live in these dimensions which parrallel eachother and never cross? We don't know what these dimensions contain but mathematics proves them.

Our physical existence is formed around the reality which is created by energy. Everything we know, everything we percieve has been created by energy and the motion created by that energy. We ourselves are made of energy and the energy our body creates can be measured just like the volts coming out of a battery.

Energy is never created or destroyed it only transforms into other forms of energy. Therefore energy is the closest thing science has to God.

This doesn't answer the whole after life question does it?

Afterlife is simply memory of the past. Without memory of the past your "afterlife" would simply be life. Your physical body is what remembers, I don't believe a soul remembers. I don't believe in afterlife simply because I don't believe my soul has a memory.

Most well timed thread Devere for I have been pondering this very subject just recently.
I have been a spiritualist since my youth, and I am completely convinced of the reality of the Spirit world and life after death.
If more of our people were to understand the fact that life continues after the death of the physical body then they would not be so selfish, decadent and criminally inclined in this earth life. And they would also fear the consequences of their actions, because though they may get away with evil in this world, they will most certainly pay for it in the next.
Though there is no hell, per se, there are truly hellish realms where evil people suffer for their evil deeds.
It isn't judgement either; just natural law.

Devere, very though-provoking. Although I do not agree with your POV for a non-corporeal existence, for me the real question is why do we feel a need to believe in it? This has been with us since Neandertal. Religions]Perhaps we feel this need because, at a genetic level, the White race reaches toward truth. And an incorporeal existence is one of the truths we reach toward.

It is not unreasonable. The human brain is the most complex structure in the known universe. One may question; is the brain mere meat (although extremely complex), or does the complexity itself, somehow generate some non-physical abilities?

The Mind. It exists. It is real. And yet it is non-physical. It is thought. Is it only the sum-total of all of our recorded experiences and physical sensations and emotional responses and generalized ideas? Is our mind a creation of our physical brain?

Our birth is but a sleep and a forgetting:
The Soul that rises with us, our life's Star,
Hath had elsewhere its setting,
And cometh from afar:
Not in entire forgetfulness,
And not in utter nakedness,
But trailing clouds of glory do we come...

William Wordsworth

The fact that the portion of our life that we can each normally remember does not start at or before birth (in the womb), but instead usually starts at about age five or six -- only after the brain has developed sufficient resources and recorded sufficient experiences and acquired an idea-generalizing language -- suggests the importance of the physical component in the creation over time of one's mind. Does this mean that babies and children under the age of five have no sense of self, no consciousness -- since we can't at an older time recall a pre-five consciousness? No. Clearly even just born babies have a sense of self -- and cry immediately as a call and plea to mother for help of that consciousness of self. And, indeed, through hypnosis we can quite easily trace consciousness back not only to the time of birth -- but before, in the womb -- (not to mention before conception, pre-physical life). Moreover, our ancestor Hindu yogis have brought themselves in meditation for hours of time to a point of death-in-life with the heart and breath themselves almost stopped, slowed to a crawl, and virtually all physical organs similarly slowed -- so that they are, in fact, almost-dead -- and yet consciousness continues absolutely undiminished.

It would appear that, at the very least, consciousness is a permanent, bright, clear, undimmable light shining within each of us -- from pre-birth (in the womb) to the very point of death. This fact suggests something more to the mind than temporal, if non-physical, existence. It suggests immortality itself.

I don't really know if this can be answered. I am a "believer" in some postulates made by Kurt Godel; mathematician and logician. Paraphrasing Godel, he said that a system cannot ever know the nature of the operating system that is running on it. This applies both for computers and humans.

Interesting insight. Perhaps we will never be able to prove the existence of God, the Intelligent Designer -- except in the fact of the otherwise inexplicable. The fact of the existence of the universe is beyond the comprehension of the human mind or, as you suggest, perhaps all minds contained within it, human or otherwise.

I assume that this conclusion is the product of some very complex mathematical logic. Despite this, it has the ring of truth to it.

The ring of truth. Yes. Personally, I place much weight on "the ring of truth." I find it an excellent touchstone for what to include and delete from my understanding of the universe and of life, from my reality-view.

BTW, your posts were a major reason why I decided to register at VNN. I had been a long time lurker .

Thanks. I'm glad. And I'm glad you decided to unlurk yourself, your consciousness, (your immortal soul?) to our view (and, I must say it because it's true and we must remain mindful of it, to the view of the Enemy).

Great thread.....:cheers:

I'll second that, being on the road to "elderhood" -but in my own life is something I have felt from a small child. What I thought was weird is that not everyone else "saw" it too. This is not about religion for me either. I also could care less if people make fun of us. For me , it's not about "believe", its like you "just know", the way you "just know" if it's cold out, or if you sense fear or sense someone watching you ,(or "know" blacks are scary?) call it whatever, its just another part of things we are gifted with that we dont pay attention to-(please dont confuse what Devere and I are talking about with "ms Cleo" jew media movies,and those fags on Oprah who exploit grieving people by "cold reading" them", that stuff IS evil, sick and pathetic)..
I too know about parallel universes,a nd living more than one life at the same time...(tiring, isnt it?)
Thanks D., for having the courage to start a thread about something you believe, knowing you might draw fire..
:cheers: ] [/IMG]/blockquote>Thanks, Briseis. We're all on the road to elderhood -- if we live long enough, we arrive there, like it or not. I wish elderhood for us all -- but not for a long time, not until we have more than replaced ourselves. A race of 60 somethings might have some trouble ensuring our survival. But that's exactly the future our race faces -- a race essentially of 60 somethings in a few generations. Based on a worldwide White family birthrate of 1.2 (not including race-mixing, suicide, growing homosexuality, etc.), in three or four generations, the number of White babies will be 10% of the White babies born today. Meanwhile the non-white world population will have doubled, tripled, or quadrupled -- with a younger and younger population. Sorry. Off topic.

Good that you know of the other realm.

Interesting picture, Briseis. A somehow familiar, though not sufficiently connected, pair.

 

I decided to post this post as the start of its own thread. I posted it in the Opposition Forum: http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=40587

I'm convinced that, perhaps rather than parallel universes (there may be those as well, we'll never know), there is, at least, one parallel realm of reality: call it spiritual. This other realm of reality exists and functions outside of and beyond the realm of the physical laws of the physical universe. I imagine it has its own unbreakable laws.

There is some rather good scientific evidence for the existence of this spiritual realm of reality -- one bit of which evidence is incorporeal you and me (the existence of your consciousness -- and mine), our sense of self, of existence.

But there is evidence that our sense of self is actually a dim consciousness of our own immortality -- in this other realm of reality. I said evidence.

There are two types of such evidence -- objective (scientific) (experimental and observational) and subjective (personal) (testimonial). In confirmation of the former, I highly recommend you (all you who happen to read this post and are interested) read two books:

SNIP

What do you think of Robert Monroe? (see below link as a start if unfamiliar)

http://www.corrystuart.com/RMonroe.html

Thanks, Briseis. We're all on the road to elderhood -- if we live long enough, we arrive there, like it or not. I wish elderhood for us all -- but not for a long time, not until we have more than replaced ourselves. A race of 60 somethings might have some trouble ensuring our survival. But that's exactly the future our race faces -- a race essentially of 60 somethings in a few generations. Based on a worldwide White family birthrate of 1.2 (not including race-mixing, suicide, growing homosexuality, etc.), in three or four generations, the number of White babies will be 10% of the White babies born today. Meanwhile the non-white world population will have doubled, tripled, or quadrupled -- with a younger and younger population. Sorry. Off topic.

Good that you know of the other realm.

Interesting picture, Briseis. A somehow familiar, though not sufficiently connected, pair.

I know you might not approve of this next statement , but sometimes when i see things going in the direction you describe, I console myself with death, that I wont be around to see how truly awful things could get,
of course the reality of not living to see Victory is a real possibilty for us, but that does not mean I will 'quit" or "throw down the sword'..nah, what the hell, King Leonidas style, I see myself getting more WN as I age, not less..I mean look at the Arabics, they will blow themselves up for their cause, and they are fighting the Jew, and by proxy, the Monster that is the JewKnighted States.. When did we kick them out of Palestine and start this artificial land of Israel? What were we thinking? "friend in the middle east"? Someone , wasnt there someone who had a gut feeling , who said"this isnt right. We shouldnt kick out the Palestinians, this is not our call to do this, besides these people are 3rd world (I dont know about UAE , but Im sure the little Semitic triangle of Iran/Iraq/Palestine was pretty undeveloped when we "helped' create Israel).. wasnt there ANYONE who said " why do we have to do this, why cant the dang jews just deal with life like everyone else, why do they get a specially created nation? they've been wandering the earth for 1000's of years, who are we to break that cycle?

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/1720/wj.htm

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=33&letter=W

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Jew

Cartaphilus, a Jewish shoemaker, who, when Jesus stopped for a second to rest while carrying His cross, hit Him, and told Him "Go on quicker, Jesus! Go on quicker! Why dost Thou loiter?", to which Jesus, "with a stern countenance", is said to have replied: "I shall stand and rest, but thou shalt go on til the last day."

The Seventh Sign
Directed by Carl Schultz

(movie)references this story in a main character but tries to pass him off as a Roman centurion, but that contradicts the historical real myth- guess Hollywood again tries to hide the Jew-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seventh_Sign (the inaccurate version of the "wandering jew" myth, they combined this other story
http://www.catholic-forum.com/saintS/saintl56.htm and made the Roman out to be the bad guy- are you surprised
and in turn the Longinus mythos is connected to Hitler himself
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spear_of_Destiny
so some truth (being cursed to wander the earth) and some lie( that it wasnt a Jew), but make always make the bad guy white...

So, maybe that is what they are supposed to do, is keep moving maybe when they put down roots/claim land it causes mass trouble.. Where were the questioners, the "deniers" the "refuters" then? Did anyone dare at that time to say "no this is wrong, we shouldnt meddle with them, its not our problem, etc"..
There has got to be info on that somewhere.There's got to be someone who opposed it-
You see, it isnt just about whether they got that land or not, although I personally dont think it was right, either, it is about our continuing/supporting/protective relationship with them . What other peoples have we done that for, to this degree of war, money support, political spin and so on?

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as for the picture

same characters as here
http://www.collinwood.net/info/
Louis Edmonds and Alexandra Moltke
a scene from "dark shadows" 1966 (a good year for me] [/IMG]

Greek philosophers have definiately influeced and foreshadowed a lot of modern theories too. Socrates being the most famous of the Greeks.