What do you think of Robert Monroe? (see below link as a start if unfamiliar)

http://www.corrystuart.com/RMonroe.html

I hadn't run across Robert Monroe. Interesting. All I am sure of is that this is not the only realm of reality and that we are, in essence, immortal souls and after (and before) living in this physical realm, we live in the other. Since that is close to all I know (on shall we say a first hand basis), anything may be -- in realm(s) that are not this one.

In regard to the nature of the other realm, here are a couple of books whose purpose it is to reveal it. Journey of the Souls and Destiny of Souls by Michael Newton, PhD. Newton is a hypnotist and, over the years, accumulated hundreds of case studies of people who described living before and after death -- in the other realm of life. As someone who has undergone hypnosis, I don't believe that hypnosis testimony is as strong a kind of evidence as the evidence contained in the other two books I've mentioned. But if, over a review of hundreds of hypnosis sessions with different people, certain consistent patterns emerge -- the hypnosis evidence is considerably strengthened. Those consistent patterns are what these two books describe.

Most well timed thread Devere for I have been pondering this very subject just recently.
I have been a spiritualist since my youth, and I am completely convinced of the reality of the Spirit world and life after death.

Thanks for sharing that.

If more of our people were to understand the fact that life continues after the death of the physical body then they would not be so selfish, decadent and criminally inclined in this earth life. And they would also fear the consequences of their actions, because though they may get away with evil in this world, they will most certainly pay for it in the next.

Probably true, for they would have a larger and, I think, truer perspective on the preciousness of their chance at this life. If the primary goal of soul life is to evolve into ever higher beings, then repeated reincarnations into physical lives allows us opportunities to struggle here with things we need to learn in furtherence of our personal immortal evolution.

One of the downsides or risks for us, as WN's, in believing that we individually have incorporeal existence beyond this life and these bodies, is that we start to universalize, de-racialize. We must never forget that, on this plane, a physical racial war is being waged against us, as a people. And we must be able and willing to respond in whatever way assures our survival as a people. Zukov (the jew) says -- in Seat of the Soul -- that all living species have group souls, but that humans also have individual souls. An interesting concept and possibility. Even as individual souls, we have an obligation to wage the struggle here on earth for the continuation of our race (our species), our White group soul. The individualism of the White race -- versus, say, the nigger's group identification -- may well be a reflection of our more highly evolved White souls.

Though there is no hell, per se, there are truly hellish realms where evil people suffer for their evil deeds. It isn't judgement either]Perhaps. I'm more inclined to believe in the ancient Aryan understanding of karmic consequences -- that evil perpetrated here in this life has reverberations in later lives. If you unjustly kill a fellow White in this life, perhaps, in the next life, you must try the other side of that dance -- as murderee.

 

Greek philosophers have definiately influeced and foreshadowed a lot of modern theories too. Socrates being the most famous of the Greeks.

The Aryan Greeks may have been the most advanced humans who have ever lived.

I do not believe in reincarnation based upon Karma.
It is an alien asian doctrine.
If there is Karma then there is no free will, and if there is no free will there cannot be any Karma; Ipso Facto.
I am not saying that reincarnation has not ever happened or does not happen, just that it is not a universal law.

Originally Posted by Wodjanoj
Greek philosophers have definiately influeced and foreshadowed a lot of modern theories too. Socrates being the most famous of the Greeks.

The Aryan Greeks may have been the most advanced humans who have ever lived.

You two beat me to it. Metaphysics was a central object of thought for Socrates.

Thanks for sharing that.
Probably true, for they would have a larger and, I think, truer perspective on the preciousness of their chance at this life. If the primary goal of soul life is to evolve into ever higher beings, then repeated reincarnations into physical lives allows us opportunities to struggle here with things we need to learn in furtherence of our personal immortal evolution.

One of the downsides or risks for us, as WN's, in believing that we individually have incorporeal existence beyond this life and these bodies, is that we start to universalize, de-racialize. We must never forget that, on this plane, a physical racial war is being waged against us, as a people. And we must be able and willing to respond in whatever way assures our survival as a people. Zukov (the jew) says -- in Seat of the Soul -- that all living species have group souls, but that humans also have individual souls. An interesting concept and possibility. Even as individual souls, we have an obligation to wage the struggle here on earth for the continuation of our race (our species), our White group soul. The individualism of the White race -- versus, say, the nigger's group identification -- may well be a reflection of our more highly evolved White souls.

Perhaps. I'm more inclined to believe in the ancient Aryan understanding of karmic consequences -- that evil perpetrated here in this life has reverberations in later lives. If you unjustly kill a fellow White in this life, perhaps, in the next life, you must try the other side of that dance -- as murderee.

What you are talking about with "group soul" is akin to what I have discussed with other WNs about "racial memory", something I think some people have sort of "blended" or even mistaken for reincarnation-
But all of these ideas, I think even Buddists have something like this too-
they all have this common thread of memory and familiarity and a re-occuring sense of "deja vu" and if you kill of the continuity of the thread by mixing, you also ruin the "racial memory" part of it.

In the Buddist school, the "we are all one" idea, that can be understood in a racial sense, "we whites are all one".. your memories, your eerie sense of "been there, done that"...your pain for your people who have passed on and that sense of them somehow communicating with you/through you- could be a racial memory connection somehow to your brothers/sisters..but...when you cross a line racially, you get like "Racial Alzheimers" thats the best I can do analogy wise.. Devere, tell me some of this makes some sense..

A viewpoint that keeps coming back into my mind (I don't recall from whence I got this).

Without life the material and energetic universe has no spirituality whatsoever. A life form provides a bridge to the spiritual world, which is like comparing the integer numbers to the set of real numbers, the later being far more numerous by cardinality than can be imagined. The spiritual world is what we cannot fathom, but, as a life form, we constitute a bridge to the spriritual world, and our soul consists of a matrix of spiritual components so complex that we only get glimpses of it in the physical world (as we study the mysteries of the various life forms).

If you think about ALL the now deceased persons (and animals) that you personally knew, it does NOT make sense that they survive as an entity that you recognized in the physical world, but, that the essence of each life form is preserved after the bridge is destroyed inasmuch as the matrix of components are not destroyed, but, rejoin the spiritual world.

This idea baffles me becuase, as someone much younger than me asks, "what is it all for?"

I don't know. I don't think knowing that is feasable, or necessary for the time we exist and make use of our own personal, but necessarily temporary, life form.

Did the dinosaurs have souls? How can you tell whether or not a dog has a soul by just studying the dead bones? Yet to suggest that those dogs that you got to know were souless (ie, have no bridge to the spiritual world) fails to be convincing becuase dogs have personalities, successes, failings, saddness, joy, and all the ordinary aspects of having a spiritual side. They just can't talk like humans, but, they can sure communicate with you in their own way. And they die, just as do we humans, leaving behind the spent body to be regurgitaed by the physical world - could it be that the spiritual matrix for the bridge to that life form is also spent, but, recycled in the spiritual world so as to be some part of yet another bridge?

I sometimes think that the action in the spiritual world is far greater, and more complex, than we can percieve in the physical world, and the spiritual entities outside of our own bridges to the spiritual world maybe undergo a spiritual history that spills over to the physical wherein we percieve a tiny bit of the larger picture.

This is way too deep for a pragmatic computer programmer (retired), so, I usually drop this line of thought somewhere around this point.

I do not believe in reincarnation based upon Karma.
It is an alien asian doctrine.

You do not believe in reincarnation or you do not WANT to believe in reincarnation. If reincarnation is a fact (I believe it probably is), and yet we choose to disbelieve it, this is a jewish approach to reality, far from an Aryan approach. Reincarnation is an ARYAN (perhaps Asian Aryan) doctrine. Buddhism is an ARYAN (White) philosophy. Hinduism, an ARYAN (White) religion. The Hindu Upanishads, written in Sanskrit, an ARYAN (White) text written in the Indo-European language of Sanskrit, from which all European languages descend.

If there is Karma then there is no free will, and if there is no free will there cannot be any Karma]Not at all initially and not necessarily consequentially. You are free to murder or not murder, steal or not steal, lie or not lie, defend your race or betray your race. Will the karmic consequence be beyond your control? I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps, pre-reincarnation we ourselves choose appropriate karmic education in the next life.

I am not saying that reincarnation has not ever happened or does not happen, just that it is not a universal law.

Reincarnation is either a part of the soul experience or it is not. We may have choice in this.

The Aryan Greeks may have been the most advanced humans who have ever lived.

I believe they were destroyed by the jew -- but that's another thread.

I feel that Deja Vu is the rememberance of something that you dreamed. Is this true? What are other people's opinions on this? Whenever I have a Deja Vu, it's always a scene from a dream that I've had. I'm just wondering if other people have this same experience.

Excellent thread. I had an aunt who was married to a preacher, and under their influence I heeded the ol' altar call at 15, and was quite devout indeed for a few years. The tragic death of my father at age 45 had cut me adrift, and I was desperate for a reassuring spiritual certainty. But the more I struggled with it into my adult years - being unable to swallow the contradictions and the more obvious fairy stories - I gradually believed it less & less. Plus, I took a good, hard look at the people who were most devout & knowledgeable about the Bible, and I realized that while most of them were sincere & decent, they were also ignorant of non-Christian matters, and generally just not very intelligent. So it became increasingly clear to me that the answers to the Big Questions were not to be found among dogmatic simpletons.

But ironically, I today have a far firmer conviction that there's life after death - that we're not just the self-deluded accidents of a blind universe - than I did when I desperately pored over the Bible, and it's due to my modest personal experiments into the matter: I've captured numerous examples of what I'm convinced are spirit voices on tape, including some that interacted with me (once when I said "signing off" like I always do, a clear male voice mockingly replied "jacking off!"). Also, I'm satisfied that ESP is a reality, due to the many arresting "coincidence" episodes I've experienced over the years.

To me, the bottom line is this:

Organized religion = "Take our word for it - or else...."

Scientific exploration = "Hey, no need to take anybody's word for anything - here's evidence, jack."

Define the word "universe". Please.

I feel that Deja Vu is the rememberance of something that you dreamed. Is this true? What are other people's opinions on this? Whenever I have a Deja Vu, it's always a scene from a dream that I've had. I'm just wondering if other people have this same experience.

I experienced my first deja vu at age 8. I was in Italy with my family, visiting the Catacombs in Rome -- a network of underground tunnels used primarily as burial sites for Christians, over one million burial sites have been found so far in these Catacombs. Anyway, we went down into one of these tunnels beneath a Christian church. Suddenly, I became dizzy and felt strongly that I had been there before. Note, that at age 8, I had never before, not only not had a deja vu experience, I had never heard of anyone else having them, had never heard the subject discussed. Was I a Christian in Roman times in some prior incarnation -- perhaps hiding or buried in these Catacombs? Maybe. This was the first (and least dramatic) of three experiences I have personally had suggesting to me the possibility or probability of another realm of reality beyond this physical universe. I may discuss the other two on this thread -- I'm considering it.

Define the word "universe". Please.

Good and relevant question. I'll take a non-dictionary stab at it. All of physical reality governed by known laws of physics, consisting of matter and, I suppose, anti-matter -- inorganic and organic -- existing with the four dimensions of normal reality (including time). All the stars and star systems and all material things that they contain.

Excellent thread. I had an aunt who was married to a preacher, and under their influence I heeded the ol' altar call at 15, and was quite devout indeed for a few years. The tragic death of my father at age 45 had cut me adrift, and I was desperate for a reassuring spiritual certainty. But the more I struggled with it into my adult years - being unable to swallow the contradictions and the more obvious fairy stories - I gradually believed it less & less. Plus, I took a good, hard look at the people who were most devout & knowledgeable about the Bible, and I realized that while most of them were sincere & decent, they were also ignorant of non-Christian matters, and generally just not very intelligent. So it became increasingly clear to me that the answers to the Big Questions were not to be found among dogmatic simpletons.

But ironically, I today have a far firmer conviction that there's life after death - that we're not just the self-deluded accidents of a blind universe - than I did when I desperately pored over the Bible, and it's due to my modest personal experiments into the matter: I've captured numerous examples of what I'm convinced are spirit voices on tape, including some that interacted with me (once when I said "signing off" like I always do, a clear male voice mockingly replied "jacking off!"). Also, I'm satisfied that ESP is a reality, due to the many arresting "coincidence" episodes I've experienced over the years.

To me, the bottom line is this:

Organized religion = "Take our word for it - or else...."

Scientific exploration = "Hey, no need to take anybody's word for anything - here's evidence, jack."

Yes. I think there is real evidence of this other realm of reality. If our people survive as a people and nation(s), perhaps our scientists will explore this fascinating and important subject -- scientifically. A few have and are already doing it. But such work is discouraged and disparaged, as you might imagine -- in our jew world which seeks only confirmations of jew-predetermined truths or lies.