Can we have 2 choices? I wanted to vote for the last one but unfortunately option #1 made more sense.

I am a strong advocate of free speech, but with that comes a price. During my time on VNNF I realized that free speech is not always the best policy because it allows the annoying people an avenue to filibuster under the guise of free speech.

Free speech is getting your message out unedited and uncensored.

Free speech is not repetitious harping on the same old tired subject day after day.

Sometimes I find myself expecting someone to scream out 6,000,000 NSM members gassed on VNNF.

About the exposing Miller threads, all one has to do is use the search function and all the old information is there with no need to hash it out again. I do get sick of the NSM costume Nazi thread and all the threads about Mike Blevins.

Now we deal with those who call for the ignore button. Here is the problem with that, if we ignore it, it won’t go away. When people post a 6,000-view thread on Bill White it detracts from the normal function of VNNF. Even if you can’t see the thread or user others can and it discourages them from posting interesting threads and posts. It consumes the readers time so they can no longer continue interesting conversation. The NSM has it’s own thread, if people want to complain about them go post there.

Also threads such as the Bill White thread and the NSM thread detract from the mission of VNNF, which I have always assumed was to EXPOSE THE JEWS. I didn’t see where it was to expose the NA or NSM. If you have something against them, say your piece and move on. Give whites credit for brainpower and assume they got the message the first time around.

Go back to the first 100 threads or so in the MDF and you will see all the Bill White drama played out there with the same message just different usernames.

Spam, this is a Jewish tactic to build walls around free speech. Jews do it with porn which causes Aryans to vote for bits and pieces of free speech to be taken just to they can see some piece while surfing the Internet. Jews come to VNNF and spam the board with NSM of Blevins threads which takes away from our free speech. Solution get rid of the Jews and surf freely, and on VNNF get rid of the Jews (and their monkeys) and enjoy our bit of free speech. The people that spam the forum are the problem not the free speech, but if they can’t all be banned then it may be worthwhile to put limitations on VNNF in the harmony of NSM free surfing.

There are times that I think some of these people like Dean Roberts are actually undercover NSM, as their threads bring attention to the NSM and sympathy making the NSM seem so persecuted. I wouldn’t rule out the possibility that the NSM detractors and NSM defenders are not working together.

Bro, I can tell you one thing is for sure, Roberts is not with us. True, he brings a lot of attention to us and more or less promotes us. Its not that he's getting the results he wants. He's just an incompetent, though loud, informant and co-intel pro dabbler. He doesn't know what he's doing and it most often has the opposite effect than the one he's looking for. What he doesn't realize that even with his boyfriend, Scott Robbins, plugging him to be some sort of "white" nationalist, pro-white jew, people still know its Dean Roberts. All the NSM has ever done has closed ranks and got tighter from his more sucessful jobs of informing (like to the Florida Child Care Association) or just laughed at his more numorous not-so-sucessful attacks.

I say keep the free speech. We're Aryan, we can take some shots down range at us from jews and informants. Let Dean Roberts (the jew, Kevin Myrick) say whatever. I could care less. I do get upset when sticks more to informing on White Nationalist, but as long as we all understand that him and Robbins are informants, they can blab on all day. Remember in the 60's when Robert's jewish kinsmen were so concerned over "free speech"? They loved it until they got what they wanted and then it was time to do all they could to suppress it. Dean is a classic example of such a jew. Watch, he'll get his free speech and then beg the mods to ban the likes of me when I turn it against him. Its time as Aryan Volk that we stop worrying about the jews twisting free speech laws and calling for free speech when they think it destroys us.

"They are no better then filthy kikes

That's the same as calling them Jews. You ever said you would punch one in the face which comes across as niggerish behavior. But I'll assume you were just flaming with that statement Brutus and didn't really mean it.

I like the NSM. Do you know why?

Because they make EVERYONE aware of the racial problems going on in America today. Even groups like National Vanguard can benefit from the NSM as they can get members who don't want the swatiska but want to confront racial and zionist problems. VNN can also follow up with the TAA which will also appeal to whites who don't like the uniforms but agree with some of the message.

The NSM is the "shock and awe" of WN and they do good work overall. They are good guys.

RE: blizzard

If you'll read my other posts, you’ll see that I have no problem with Brothers who want to wear Nazi uniforms in public. As a matter of fact, I commend them. I have great reverence for Germany’s valiant history and the uniforms worn by the greatest warriors that ever existed. However, the uniform approach is not the way that I, personally, work for our cause. Not because I think anything less of the NSM, but rather, I have an appreciation of the fact that wearing a Nazi uniform in 2005 America alienates many would be joiners of our cause. The lemmings are ignorant at this time and we will need more time to deprogram them before they can overcome the stigma of “everything Nazi” that the jew has implanted in their minds

Having said this, I “do not” call for our Brothers to stop wearing the uniform. Because there is something to be said for the psychological process of repetition-desensitizing. In other words, the more the lemmings see a Nazi uniform, the more accustomed to it they become. We are only limited by our imaginations for what we can do to promote White Pride.

Let me ask you, how would you feel if I went to a NSM rally with a bullhorn and screamed out that the marchers looked like idiots and clowns? I'd be no better then a filthy kike if I did that, wouldn’t I? Then I ask you, why do certain members of the NSM come in here and start shit? It’s the same thing.

Of course, I would never go to a NSM rally with a bullhorn and insult the marchers because I respect them for their efforts. Is it too much to ask for the same respect in kind? There are enough battle-fronts to go around to fight the jew, that we need not be fighting with each other.

You won't be sueing anyone you are nothing more than a blowhard and an ineffectual coward. Your kike-like actions = making allegations but never offering any proof is just one of the many reasons you are nothing but a source of entertainment and laughter. You NSM dregs are the bottom of the food chain and the bottom of the gene pool. Get used to that fact! :cheers:

Well, its like this, AE. Informants, Scott Robbins (Ape's mama) and Dean Roberts (Nightshift, aka the jew Kevin Myrick...I'm sorry "adopted by jews) need your services to peddle their wares. If you ban us and them, its really not like they won't find some other place to gather info and slam the NSM and other white nationalist. They troll message boards all over with their crap, kissing ass, trying their best to gain allies and gathering info.

None of that is your problem. The problem you have is that your board is being clogged up by it. By now, most of the time, these two get banned after about a week and its over to somewhere else. This time, someone gave them enough rope and now they're in legal trouble. You'll find yourself getting familiar with that pretty soon, I'm sure. Just keep the logs and IP addresses. If you ban me along with them, fine. If you notice, I didn't come here much before they did anyway. All I'm here to do, on my own, is just simpley let people know that the two who are starting all the co-intel are none other than Dean Roberts and his pet goy, Scott Robbins, both addmitted informants. Past that everyone knowing who they are, I could care less. I've got way more than I bargained for this little exchange.

This poll was FIXED by the ghost of Arnold Rothstein! you're all jews!

Not going to read every single thread.
Just want to say NSM is an important allie/asset to WN (opinion not claiming fact) and they work hard for our race.
That alone should be enough for them to be respected, and have a right to post.

Having said that, more effort to trolls, moles and less drama

The problem with small time activist is they don’t think big. - The higher the risk, the higher the rewards. - If everyone set they're eyes for the long term, the reward would be beyond the riches. Patience, determination, perseverance is the key to victory with witch the Jews have done. No matter the ideological difference, co-operation is the key to success. Merely thinking for short term fame, will only self destruct the” idea” and about the idea.

Promoting the idea and about the idea thru multi-media outlet is what is all about. Siege heil in town square is merely Jew-knee jerking. Our purpose should be to inform and spur the imagination.

It seems NSM is winning pretty handily- now about 2 to 1- thus somewhat putting the lie to their complaints about VNNF not sufficiently appreciating them, or allowing antis and NSM detractors to run too freely (cloaked VNNF antis must surely have voted in the poll too, right?).

I admit that I voted late-- not to see which way the wind blew, but merely because the division pains me. After Kingston, I do believe we'll all feel better about each other. At least, I hope so.

It's not the NSM that is "winning". Rather, it is it's proponents AND DETRACTORS that are "winning". It's not a PRO vote for the NSM it's a PRO vote for "free speech".

It seems NSM is winning pretty handily- now about 2 to 1- thus somewhat putting the lie to their complaints about VNNF not sufficiently appreciating them, or allowing antis and NSM detractors to run too freely (cloaked VNNF antis must surely have voted in the poll too, right?).

I admit that I voted late-- not to see which way the wind blew, but merely because the division pains me. After Kingston, I do believe we'll all feel better about each other. At least, I hope so.

It's not the NSM that is "winning". Rather, it is it's proponents AND DETRACTORS that are "winning". It's not a PRO vote for the NSM it's a PRO vote for "free speech".

Yeah, well, in terms of free speech, you'll notice that both the VNN and Stormfront owners allow NSM to remain.

In my opinion, there's a qualitatively useful difference between most NSMers' "free speech" privileges because of their street actions on behalf of Whites vs. the "free speech 'privileges' " of do-nothing stalkers. And that general appreciation was reflected in the vote.

Nope. The question was to gag OR NOT NSM advocates AND DETRACTORS. The winning vote is NO. Thats NO for advocates and NO for Detractors. Because 12 idiots went to Toledo and didn't even march does not reflect on the "street actions" of "most" of the NSM. Most of them were not even NSM. Your premise is completely erroneous, AND you have no way to know the actions of who you call "do nothing stalkers".

Yeah, well, in terms of free speech, you'll notice that both the VNN and Stormfront owners allow NSM to remain.

In my opinion, there's a qualitatively useful difference between most NSMers' "free speech" privileges because of their street actions on behalf of Whites vs. the "free speech 'privileges' " of do-nothing stalkers. And that general appreciation was reflected in the vote.

I see it as a clear Victory for those who defended VNN against the NSM's latest round of attacks.

I am very proud of you all who chose to vote for Free Speech. This vote will be a symbol of our resolve to keep White Power free of Race-Mixing and Rip-Offs, and any other scandal the heretics create.

Anyone with insight into politics can see this poll because of it's obvious slant for the NSM jerks has recorded the voice of the people clearly against the NSM and in Favor of Free Speech so that the NSM can be held accountable for it's corruptions, And it will.

Had this poll read "should we beat the shit out of the NSM ? " it would have been unanimous Yes vote all the way around.

Continue to vote for Free Speech and count it as a Vote against the Communist Front NSM.

"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail."
~ Ralph Waldo Emerson ~

The Uppland King Guthroth dared speak against the destructive policies of the Judeo-Christian King Olaf Tryggvason. Tryggvason had sold out his own people into a system of slavery instituted by foreign establishments. Olaf carried out conversion by the sword, torture, and murder, the tools of fear and guilt used to force the Folk into rejecting their ancestral ways. Never willing to bow as slaves, the Folk were killed without justice. King Guthroth spoke in opposition to Olaf the sell-out puppet of the invading parasites and had his tongue cut out.

"All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; and one man in his time plays many roles...?"
~ William Shakespeare

The warrior, farmer, poet, craftsmen, hunter, and many more places exist in our tribe. Every part is vital to secure the existence of our people. Among the Folk are those with innate abilities that provide our natural leaders. The chosen who hear this call are not satisfied in any other capacity. The foreign influences have supressed our natural leaders into the modern age. Darkness and gloom live in the minds of those whose hearts break at seeing the tragic place their people have been brought to by lesser men.

A Kindred is a family, an extended family, and those sworn to trust and loyalty like a sacred sword. The Kindreds are lost and without direction unless you assume your role and lead them with courage and honor. This is the time to Stand Up! Take your place beside your kinsmen. Duty calls, our destiny will not be dictated by false leaders and low men. Hail Odin! Hail the Folk!

Written by Warren Erulian
copyright 2002

nightshift said-

...AND you have no way to know the actions of who you call "do nothing stalkers".

Why don't you proudly tell me and everyone then, Mr. Mysterioso Activist. Then we'll clear up your provenance.

How many went to Abe Lincoln's assassination?

So you were referring to me when you posted "do nothing stalkers"? That's quite an assumption since you have no evidence to support your claim.

I'm not an attention whore like say Bill White and I have no obligation to tell you or anyone else about my activism. I'm not getting into a pissing contest with an NSM ass-kisser!

nightshift said-
Why don't you proudly tell me and everyone then, Mr. Mysterioso Activist. Then we'll clear up your provenance.

Create a new forum...Vnn Vs. Nsm Rants! If the line goes too far that way, shove it in it. :cheers:

Can we have 2 choices? I wanted to vote for the last one but unfortunately option #1 made more sense.

I am a strong advocate of free speech, but with that comes a price. During my time on VNNF I realized that free speech is not always the best policy because it allows the annoying people an avenue to filibuster under the guise of free speech.

Free speech is getting your message out unedited and uncensored.

Free speech is not repetitious harping on the same old tired subject day after day.

Sometimes I find myself expecting someone to scream out 6,000,000 NSM members gassed on VNNF.

About the exposing Miller threads, all one has to do is use the search function and all the old information is there with no need to hash it out again. I do get sick of the NSM costume Nazi thread and all the threads about Mike Blevins.

Now we deal with those who call for the ignore button. Here is the problem with that, if we ignore it, it won’t go away. When people post a 6,000-view thread on Bill White it detracts from the normal function of VNNF. Even if you can’t see the thread or user others can and it discourages them from posting interesting threads and posts. It consumes the readers time so they can no longer continue interesting conversation. The NSM has it’s own thread, if people want to complain about them go post there.

Also threads such as the Bill White thread and the NSM thread detract from the mission of VNNF, which I have always assumed was to EXPOSE THE JEWS. I didn’t see where it was to expose the NA or NSM. If you have something against them, say your piece and move on. Give whites credit for brainpower and assume they got the message the first time around.

Go back to the first 100 threads or so in the MDF and you will see all the Bill White drama played out there with the same message just different usernames.

Spam, this is a Jewish tactic to build walls around free speech. Jews do it with porn which causes Aryans to vote for bits and pieces of free speech to be taken just to they can see some piece while surfing the Internet. Jews come to VNNF and spam the board with NSM of Blevins threads which takes away from our free speech. Solution get rid of the Jews and surf freely, and on VNNF get rid of the Jews (and their monkeys) and enjoy our bit of free speech. The people that spam the forum are the problem not the free speech, but if they can’t all be banned then it may be worthwhile to put limitations on VNNF in the harmony of NSM free surfing.

There are times that I think some of these people like Dean Roberts are actually undercover NSM, as their threads bring attention to the NSM and sympathy making the NSM seem so persecuted. I wouldn’t rule out the possibility that the NSM detractors and NSM defenders are not working together.